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Speaker 1: They don't have an agreement yet to extend these subsidies

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Speaker 1: about the death of a former Assembly speaker's kids. Virginia

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Speaker 1: State Senator Lamont Bagbee, who chairs the state's Democratic Party,

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Speaker 1: asked the following question in an interview and asked whether

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Speaker 1: Jones should resign, and his response was Republicans that are

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Speaker 1: asking him to resign? Where were they when Trump and

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Speaker 1: other Republicans have made their comments? Ah, the old what

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Speaker 1: aboutism defense? And another I want to read you one

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Speaker 1: more west blamea well connected progressive activist who teaches at

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Speaker 1: Virginia State University, said the following. People I'm the feel

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Speaker 1: as if they have to be the perfect, highest moral

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Speaker 1: individuals in the world. Normal everyday people stay stupid things

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Speaker 1: and text messages online all the time. If that is

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Speaker 1: the thing that means the Democratic ticket doesn't win the election,

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Speaker 1: then they've got bigger issues. Look, I don't think this

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Speaker 1: is going to take down the entire Democratic ticket. It

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Speaker 1: probably is only going to take down his own candidacy.

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Speaker 1: Could make the LG race a lot closer, and maybe

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Speaker 1: Spanburger wins by single digits and it costs them some

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Speaker 1: opportunities and down the ballot and state legislative races and

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Speaker 1: things like that. But this public defense. This is exactly

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Speaker 1: what I've been sort of ranting about now for a

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Speaker 1: few months, that the rationales that many Republicans would use

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Speaker 1: to overlook hateful and violent rhetoric from Donald Trump and

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Speaker 1: some of his supporters, and the sort of oh, can't

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Speaker 1: you take a joke and nobody it's not that serious

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Speaker 1: that the democratic defense of when somebody on their side

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Speaker 1: sort of behaves similarly as well, is now going to

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Speaker 1: go to the same thing. Is that really the answer?

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Speaker 1: I go back to the whole golden rule. Right, you

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Speaker 1: do unto others as you want done under you.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: And the Texas governor has decided he is going to

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Speaker 1: trounce on the Tenth Amendment when it comes to the

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Speaker 1: state of Illinois. But he has no apparently he is

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Speaker 1: not worried about Texas's rights being trampled upon if the

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Speaker 1: roles were reversed. Okay, ditto here, right, you know, if

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Speaker 1: we are trying to tone the rhetoric down, then somebody's

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Speaker 1: got to take the high ground here. Somebody's got to

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Speaker 1: want to have some moral authority here, and these defenses,

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Speaker 1: and look, in fairness, not many well known Democrats are

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Speaker 1: willing to stick by and make the defense like that.

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Speaker 1: But that mindset, and I know it's there in the

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Speaker 1: base of the party.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: They look at what the Republic, what Trump and his

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Speaker 1: minions get away with and think, jeez it, it doesn't

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Speaker 1: hurt them, So why do we care so much about it?

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, there's.

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Speaker 1: Still a vast chunk in the middle, who do care

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Speaker 1: about ethics, who do care a little bit about character,

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Speaker 1: who do want somebody to try to pretend to be

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Speaker 1: a role model for doing this the right way instead

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Speaker 1: of the wrong way.

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Speaker 2: So you know, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Sort of shaking my head, but I will I would

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Speaker 1: be a little leery Democrats of giving up the adult

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Speaker 1: in the room voter, who I do believe they've had

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Speaker 1: an inside track on essentially during most of the Trump era.

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Speaker 1: But if it's a if you can't beat them, join

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Speaker 1: a mindset, I don't know what happens. Then you don't

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Speaker 1: know where this goes. Does a go third party, does

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Speaker 1: it go splintering. There's a lot of ways that this

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Speaker 1: could go. A few campaign notes, I think we have

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Speaker 1: another Democrat to add to the presidential list. So we

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Speaker 1: told you any be been in New Hampshire. He was

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Speaker 1: just there this week. I told you there was already

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Speaker 1: a pro Palestinian group running an attack ad on Bisher.

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Speaker 1: Sort of an early warning shot I think to all

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Speaker 1: presidential candidates that there are going to be some activist

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Speaker 1: arming Israel e litmus test. Well, we've got additional Democrats

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Speaker 1: on the schedule in New Hampshire, Chris Murphy. I think

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Speaker 1: many people already knew the Connecticut Democratic senator was sort

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Speaker 1: of at least toying with a national campaign in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty eight. He's going to do a town hall in

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Speaker 1: New Hampshire November twelve. But Alyssa Slockton, the first term

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Speaker 1: senator from Michigan, is going to headline a fundraiser for

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Speaker 1: the Manchester Democratic Dinner on October fifteenth. As my friend

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Speaker 1: Chris Eliza likes to say, you know, nobody shows up

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Speaker 1: to ior in New Hampshire by accident without at least

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Speaker 1: you know they're kicking the tires on something. And what's

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Speaker 1: interesting about Slockton is this is she's doing this within

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Speaker 1: about two weeks of Gretchen Whitmer, the term limited governor

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Speaker 1: of Michigan, sort of indicating that she's probably not going

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Speaker 1: to run for president in twenty twenty eight, that she's

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Speaker 1: let that she hopes to be participating in what's next,

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Speaker 1: but that she probably wouldn't be at the top of

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Speaker 1: the ticket herself. Is this coincidence? Is this related? Let's

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Speaker 1: just say inquiring minds want to know, and a few

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Speaker 1: other California notes. I was just out in California. First

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Speaker 1: of all, it does look like the redistricting effort it is.

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Speaker 1: I think Gavin Newsom is going to win this prop

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Speaker 1: It looks like they've successfully turned this into a referendum

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Speaker 1: on Trump, which was the way to win this. And

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Speaker 1: it also looks like money is drying up on the

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Speaker 1: no side of things. Kevin McCarthy, according to punch Bull News,

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Speaker 1: who had pledged to raise and spend one hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars to try to defeat the proposition in the November elections,

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Speaker 1: has so far only been able to spend seven millions.

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Speaker 1: So it does seem as if that it's possible some

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Speaker 1: money is drying up. So if you're you're if you're

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Speaker 1: keeping track of the redistricting wars, so if California is

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Speaker 1: gonna happen and Texas is going to happen. They've canceled

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Speaker 1: each other out, so now it becomes this sort of

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Speaker 1: you might have Indiana. Then there's the Utah redraw. There

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Speaker 1: could be now a Maryland redraw. Does Florida get into

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Speaker 1: the game, right, there is another potential seat or two

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Speaker 1: they could attempt in Broward County. If you remember my

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Speaker 1: interview with Jared Moskowitz, even w Wasserman Schultz's district, they

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Speaker 1: think maybe they could they sort of stretch it across

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Speaker 1: Alligator ally and essentially try to create districts that would

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Speaker 1: have nothing in common. I mean, trust me, growing up

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Speaker 1: in South Florida, you know the Fort Myers and and

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Speaker 1: Fort Lauderdale have nothing in common that much other than

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Speaker 1: one's on water and the others on water. But one's

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Speaker 1: on an ocean and one's in a golf right.

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Speaker 2: It is, but it is too far away to.

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Speaker 1: Call it a community of interest. But that doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: that isn't how they might attempt to draw the map

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Speaker 1: and make a couple of Democrats in the Broward County

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Speaker 1: area a little more a little more vulnerable. But if

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Speaker 1: we do have sort of this stand off between California

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Speaker 1: and Texas. Then it probably means at best Republicans are

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Speaker 1: going to net maybe three or four I think max

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Speaker 1: out of this redistricting effort now in an extraordinarily close

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Speaker 1: midterm election, that could be the difference. And if it

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Speaker 1: is that close, and to me, Democrats already have lost,

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Speaker 1: right if they can't make this where they're sort of

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Speaker 1: winning the national argument, you know, in the generic ballot

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Speaker 1: five six, seven points, well then you know we're going

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Speaker 1: to be looking at you know, two or three seats

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Speaker 1: on either side. And speaking of California, I think what's

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Speaker 1: notable if you're listening to this podcast, my guess is

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Speaker 1: you've already seen the Katie Porter clip. The former member

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Speaker 1: of Congress who lost a Senate campaign against Adam Schiff,

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Speaker 1: has been the nominal front runner for governor ever since

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Speaker 1: Kulanacas got out of the race and Kamala Harris announced

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Speaker 1: she wasn't going to run. So Katie Bore has kind

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Speaker 1: of been the front runner. I've never really thought of

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Speaker 1: her as the front runner because I think Rick Caruso,

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Speaker 1: the guy who lost the mayor's race to Karen vass

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Speaker 1: in LA when he jumps in, he was likely going

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Speaker 1: to be the new front runner when he gets in.

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Speaker 1: My guess is he gets in after the November elections.

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Speaker 1: But for now, Porter had been the one. She had

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Speaker 1: the most name id from her previous campaign for Senate,

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Speaker 1: so she'd been ahead, but she was like in the twenties,

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Speaker 1: you know in some of these polls. Well, anyway, that

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Speaker 1: the viral interview, I'm not going to sort of just

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Speaker 1: describe it in detail because it's been everywhere. I think

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Speaker 1: what's notable is how much both Republicans and Democrats piled

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Speaker 1: on this. Plenty of us who have covered Katie Porter,

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Speaker 1: covered Congress, covered the California delegation have known that she's

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Speaker 1: not very popular among Democrats. You know, she may be

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Speaker 1: popular among MSNBC viewers and among many progressive activists, but

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Speaker 1: among the sort of insider crowd, she wasn't very popular,

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Speaker 1: and not because of her stances, but sort of because

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Speaker 1: of her attitude and sort of how she went about it.

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Speaker 1: You know, she's in some ways what's good outsider politics

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Speaker 1: is not always good insider camaraderie. And frankly, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to be governor, you gotta work with other people

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Speaker 1: I think her inability to handle what wasn't tough questions.

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Speaker 1: These weren't hard questions. It makes me wonder has she

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Speaker 1: spent too much time in a blue safe space when

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Speaker 1: she interacts with maybe blue leaning me that don't challenge her,

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Speaker 1: and these were lightly challenging questions. I mean, no, I'm

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Speaker 1: not disrespecting the reporter at all. I think the reporter

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Speaker 1: it's clear what she was doing. She was doing a

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Speaker 1: larger package and talking to all the candidates, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think she made that, made that pretty clear. But

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Speaker 1: you want to be governor of the world's fifth largest

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Speaker 1: economy and you can't handle a tiny bit of a

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Speaker 1: tiny bit of a follow up question about Trump voters

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Speaker 1: and you sort of lose it really quickly. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna be able to control every setting in politics,

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Speaker 1: no matter where you go. So but the most notable

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Speaker 1: thing about this is not the incident itself. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's how much everybody else piled on.

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Speaker 2: She does not.

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Speaker 1: Have a reservoir of goodwill inside the Democratic Party, it seems,

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Speaker 1: and I think the way she behaved after losing, after

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Speaker 1: in the Senate race, and you know, she just she didn't,

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Speaker 1: you know, she was angry that Adam Schiff played to win. Right,

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Speaker 1: So Adam Shift spent money promoting Steve Garvey during that

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Speaker 1: primary process so that Garvy would be seen as the

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Speaker 1: chief Republican opposition to Shift, and so that way the

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Speaker 1: top two face off would be Shift versus Garvey. D

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Speaker 1: versus are very easy campaign for Shift to win, rather

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Speaker 1: than Shift versus Porter, which would have been D versus

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Speaker 1: D might have been very awkward and a much closer race,

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Speaker 1: much more competitive, and we don't know which way it

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Speaker 1: would go. Obviously, Porter was still very bitter about it,

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Speaker 1: and sort of the way she went about it, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was sort of like sour grapes that Adam Shift

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Speaker 1: did something, you know, did a campaign tactic that is

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Speaker 1: not new, not that controversial anymore. It's sort of how,

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Speaker 1: you you know, he had the resources to do it,

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Speaker 1: and because she didn't have the same resources in him,

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Speaker 1: she was frustrated that he got to have more impact

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Speaker 1: on who he got to run against than she could.

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Speaker 1: And so I do think that how she how she

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Speaker 1: carried herself in losing that primary didn't exactly win her

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Speaker 1: a lot of friends outside of her core base of supporters.

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Speaker 1: So this was a red flag and probably probably the

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Speaker 1: type of thing that will be hard for her to

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Speaker 1: shake off, especially since how easily everybody seemed to pile

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Speaker 1: onto her on that fashion Cure. A long time political consultant,

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Speaker 1: he ran Bernie Sanders' camp campaign for president in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: He's right now aligned with the video the Progressive Lean

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Speaker 1: video Have More Perfect Union.

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Speaker 2: They do some really good work.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's sort of advocacy journalism. But what's interesting is

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Speaker 1: he was very critical of what he thought Democrats were

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Speaker 1: doing when it came to short form video. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was saying that that while people like Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 1: and you've seen Akim Jeffreys and Chuck Schumer all doing

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Speaker 1: more videos themselves trying to talk to voters sort of

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Speaker 1: explaining different policies, that he thinks it's not worked, and

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Speaker 1: he thinks that if you want more effective viral videos,

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Speaker 1: you've got to talk to people who's actually impacted by

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Speaker 1: the situation. And he noted the he said, the raw,

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Speaker 1: emotionally jarring clips of human suffering in Gaza and the

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Speaker 1: outrages videos of ice agents separating families, that those videos

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Speaker 1: go more viral than when a politician is telling you

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Speaker 1: what they think, and as he said, those clips have

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Speaker 1: done more to change public opinion on those issues than

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Speaker 1: anything else. His point is, real people are who you

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Speaker 1: should be featuring when you're trying to make a point

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Speaker 1: on the cost to live, on the impact of healthcare

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Speaker 1: subsidies going away, or the impact of no childcare tax credit,

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Speaker 1: things like that. And this goes back to some politics never.

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Speaker 2: Change, right.

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Speaker 1: If you make your campaign about the people you're trying

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Speaker 1: to convince to vote for you, they're more likely to listen.

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Speaker 1: If you make the campaign essentially about your own ideology

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Speaker 1: or your own views and you're trying to persuade others

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Speaker 1: to come to your side, you're more likely to be losing.

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Speaker 1: And so I just thought that deserved a highlight. I

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Speaker 1: caught what he had to say, and I thought it

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Speaker 1: was something worth pointing out. Anyway, let's do a few

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Speaker 1: Q and as ask Chuck. This one comes from John

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Speaker 1: A from New Orleans. Hey, Chuck really loved the cast.

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Speaker 1: As Mayor Koch would say, you are a voice of reason.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Here's an idea that I would like your feedback on.

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Speaker 1: We use the tax code to influence behavior all the time, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do. Why not do it to encourage a true

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Speaker 1: democratic good? Give people a seventy five dollars tax credit

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Speaker 1: every time they vote in a national election. More voters

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Speaker 1: would significantly change voting dynamics. It would give third parties

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Speaker 1: a real shot in the arm. The effect would be profound,

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Speaker 1: and we wouldn't need a constitutional convention to make the change.

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Speaker 1: Thoughts interesting, So we're paying people to vote? I guess

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Speaker 1: that's you know, it's not like Australia. What is I

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Speaker 1: think it's Australia that has sort of mandatory voting.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm I hear what you're saying. There's a part of me.

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Speaker 1: There's a lyric from an old Rush song. If you

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Speaker 1: choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.

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Speaker 1: It's their song free will. So are we going to

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Speaker 1: financially penalize people who decide they want to sit out

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Speaker 1: a national election? You see where I'm going here? So

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Speaker 1: I hear where you're going. I you know, we had

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Speaker 1: that back and.

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to guess what your age is. But

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Speaker 1: there was a time where you used to be able

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Speaker 1: to check off on your tax returns. You know, yes,

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Speaker 1: I want, you know, a dollar, one dollar of my

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Speaker 1: tax return to go to the presidential presidential campaign fund.

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Speaker 1: This was back when presidential candidates would get matching funds.

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Speaker 1: We had a period of time where we were hoping

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Speaker 1: to at least partially public fund elections to keep you know,

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Speaker 1: to sort of keep the influence of money down. Well, eventually,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think George W. Bush was the first

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Speaker 1: one to be able to raise enough money not having

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Speaker 1: to worry about the federal system. And then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody got out of it, and so it's

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Speaker 1: it's sort of lost its relevance. But I do agree

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Speaker 1: with you generally that the tax code is a good

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Speaker 1: that financial incentives. In some ways, it goes back to

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Speaker 1: the incentive issue. Right, if you want if you want

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Speaker 1: better outcomes, then create better incentives.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you think more people need to participate, then that

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Speaker 1: is one idea to to certainly incentivize people to do it.

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Speaker 1: I still think that the bigger issue is we need

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Speaker 1: equal access to the ballot, and you need equal access

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Speaker 1: to vote for everybody, right, And I do think primaries,

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Speaker 1: particularly state run, state funded primaries do violate equal protection.

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Speaker 1: You know, the fact is, if I'm not a registered

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Speaker 1: voter of that party, I can't participate in that taxpayer

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Speaker 1: funded election.

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Speaker 2: That feels like a penalty.

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Speaker 1: And so and I do think that if you're looking

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Speaker 1: at one thing, one single thing that we could do

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Speaker 1: differently that might actually have massive impact on our politics

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Speaker 1: is if we got rid of partisan primaries altogether and

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Speaker 1: had essentially everybody, you know, like the mayor's races, all

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Speaker 1: party primaries. So I'm with you on using the tax

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Speaker 1: code as a way to incentivize better behavior. I struggle

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Speaker 1: with the idea of using it as.

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Speaker 2: A reward for voting.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's sort of there's it that I in

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Speaker 1: a weird way that feels, you know, one step away

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Speaker 1: from buying a vote, right, So there's a there's I

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Speaker 1: just I'll admit I'm slightly uncomfortable with that larger concept,

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Speaker 1: but I am quite comfortable with using the tax code

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Speaker 1: to incentive I mean, look, home ownership in some ways

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Speaker 1: is promoted because of the tech. We promote ownership through

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Speaker 1: the tax code with mortgage deduction. So there's always I

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Speaker 1: think good ways to use the tax code help to

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Speaker 1: help people. If you will, but interesting thought and certainly

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Speaker 1: worth chewing on. Thanks for the question, John all right.

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Speaker 1: Next question comes from Carry and saying Lewis, Hey, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: You've mentioned the logistical challenge of third parties, But with

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Speaker 1: Democrats wandering in the wilderness and Republicans without a platform,

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Speaker 1: what about an American unity platform that anyone running could

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Speaker 1: pledge to support. Focus on making government more responsive to

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Speaker 1: the needs of citizens, working to get big money out

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Speaker 1: of politics, constitutional convention ending, germ mandering, maybe even required

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Speaker 1: civic service for young people. Yes, I'm huge national service person.

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Speaker 2: Could that work? What would you include in this platform? Thanks?

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Speaker 2: And I love the history highlights. Oh great, best wishes.

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Speaker 1: Look, I love this and in many ways what you're

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Speaker 1: describing is what my late mentor Doug Bailey, when he

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Speaker 1: Unity eight is what he called it back in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and eight. In the run up to that election,

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Speaker 1: he was trying to create a process that could help

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Speaker 1: nominate a bipartisan ticket. Well, then the two parties nominated

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Speaker 1: the two most bipartisan people that were running. Right, Literally,

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Speaker 1: the most popular Democrat among Republicans was Barack Obama and

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Speaker 1: the most popular Republican among Democrats was John McCain. They

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Speaker 1: both did well among independence and they both won their nomination,

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Speaker 1: So it made Unity eight kind of a pointless exercise.

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Speaker 1: He was anticipating that it would be Hillary Clinton and

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Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani right, a more polarizing, divisive matchup that would

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Speaker 1: then leave room for a more unifying bipartisan ticket. But

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Speaker 1: it is, you know, and in fact, what is the

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Speaker 1: today's Forward Party has some of the remnants of what

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Speaker 1: Doug began. Some of the folks that have been working

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Speaker 1: on the Open Primaries movement to try to sort of

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Speaker 1: get rid of partisan primaries, the gentleman that's been working

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Speaker 1: on trying to get rank choice voting to be considered

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Speaker 1: in other states. All of it is derivative of what

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Speaker 1: Doug began with.

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Speaker 2: Unity O eight.

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Speaker 1: And I will tell you this. You are to me

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Speaker 1: on the right path of what kind of to me

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Speaker 1: that look in an ideal word, would be a four

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Speaker 1: party system. I think that's I'm not gonna I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to be realistic here. The most the most likely way

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Speaker 1: that a third party could have an impact is sort

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Speaker 1: of helping to reform the two major parties by sort

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Speaker 1: of running a race that did this. And I think

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Speaker 1: you don't you want to plan And this gets it

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Speaker 1: to a debate that I know some folks that are

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Speaker 1: involved with the Forward Party, Andrew Yang, Christie Whitman Party,

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Speaker 1: the sort of the third party movement where there's a

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Speaker 1: debate are they a movement to try to get the

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Speaker 1: two parties to become more rational or do they want

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Speaker 1: to be their own standalone party that essentially replaces one

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Speaker 1: of the two major parties and why? And if you're

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Speaker 1: going to be one thing, then you're going to have

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Speaker 1: more issues you might take a stand on. And the

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Speaker 1: more issues you take a stand on, the more opportunity

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Speaker 1: you have of potentially pushing some people, you know away.

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Speaker 1: If you're trying to be this sort of moderate party

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Speaker 1: that sort of shoots you know, that sort of shoots

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Speaker 1: the gap in between the two parties, then I do

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Speaker 1: think you want a platform like the one you describe,

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Speaker 1: where hey, look, we need to we need to make

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Speaker 1: some massive reforms in how the democracy works. And this

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Speaker 1: isn't going to be about whether we should have more

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Speaker 1: immigrants or less immigrants. This is about whether we're going

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Speaker 1: to have a system that is easily understandable and how

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Speaker 1: immigration works. Right, it is almost like a technocratic campaign

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Speaker 1: that you would run. Now, the problem with that is,

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Speaker 1: I think you need an incredibly charismatic individual to be

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Speaker 1: the leader of that movement. Ross Perot had his own charisma,

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Speaker 1: Teddy Roosevelt had his own charisma. Shoot, even George Wallace,

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Speaker 1: who was arguably had some success at least in shifting

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Speaker 1: that election to Nixon in sixty eight, had had enough

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Speaker 1: charisma to lead a movement. So there is a you

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Speaker 1: can't just do this as a dry technocratic exercise.

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Speaker 2: But I do think.

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Speaker 1: Going after process and talking about how we need the

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Speaker 1: structural reform of the democracy, and I think post Trump

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Speaker 1: there'll be an appetite for this. The question is is

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Speaker 1: there an appetite for it in twenty eight or do

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Speaker 1: we need sort of a couple more years removed from

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Speaker 1: Trump before there'll be a full appetite for this. But

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Speaker 1: American Unity Platform, I mean, I'm gonna keep saying it

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Speaker 1: over and over. So my friends at the Forward Party

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Speaker 1: who I know listen to this podcast regularly. It's a

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Speaker 1: good idea because, especially if it's about how you centered it,

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Speaker 1: how do you make government more responsive?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Things I'd put in there is doubling the size of

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Speaker 1: the House. Right, maybe it's a constitutional amendment that says,

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Speaker 1: you know, no congressional district can be, you know, bigger

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Speaker 1: than point zero zero zero one percent of the population,

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Speaker 1: which would give a metric so that way you could

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Speaker 1: deal in case our population shrinks overtime rather than expands.

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Speaker 1: But that's something I would put in there because I

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Speaker 1: think that would be something that would make us more responsive.

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Speaker 1: Getting rid of partisan primaries where you're doing things that

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Speaker 1: are not about specific issues themselves, because that's where you

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Speaker 1: start to third parties can sometimes lose support almost the

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Speaker 1: more positions you start taking.

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Speaker 2: So it is, it is.

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Speaker 1: You certainly have warmed my heart in what you're prescribing.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things that I've learned is when

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Speaker 1: you have the luxury to worry about this, and you

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Speaker 1: don't have a financial crisis in your life or a

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Speaker 1: healthcare crisis, you have the luxury to worry about the democracy.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of voters out there who, in theory

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Speaker 1: might agree with this platform, but are more worried about

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Speaker 1: the near term and are going to be more in

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Speaker 1: tune with somebody that's going to throw them a bone immediately, right,

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Speaker 1: a benefit bone of some sort immediately, And I think

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Speaker 1: that's the only risk in trying to run a very

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Speaker 1: sort of let's fix the democracy, because you almost have

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Speaker 1: to have a majority agreement that it's broken. And we're

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Speaker 1: getting there, right. We have over sixty percent saying we're

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Speaker 1: in a political crisis. So it may be that by

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Speaker 1: the fall of twenty seven this is a very appealing idea,

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Speaker 1: which is but the idea of just putting out a platform,

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Speaker 1: almost without a candidate and even without a political party

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Speaker 1: is an interesting idea as well. So anyway, you've given

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Speaker 1: me a lot to chew on that this is not

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Speaker 1: something I want to give up, the American Unity Platform.

871
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Speaker 1: I love how that sounds, all right. Next question comes

872
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Speaker 1: from Heather from Littleton, Colorado.

873
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 2: Hey, there, I.

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Speaker 1: Heard you chat your chat with Chrystaliza and appreciated what

875
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 1: you said about Trump being the worst role model for

876
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: our children. I have two boys, and my younger son

877
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: was born on election Day twenty sixteen. I remember sitting

878
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: in the hospital, heartbroken that our country had elected a

879
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: man who embodied everything I didn't want them to become.

880
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 1: As a lifelong conservative and former staffer for Rick and Torum,

881
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: I even voted for Hillary Clinton that year because I

882
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: feared that would happen under his presidency. Sadly, both his

883
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 1: temperament and character of only worsened. Sense Heather from Littleton, Colorado, Well,

884
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Speaker 1: you know this.

885
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Speaker 2: Goes to the issue of character, and it goes back to.

886
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Speaker 1: For whatever reason, and I think in sixteen, look, I

887
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: think you and I share a similar way that we vote,

888
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: which is, I do character matters a lot, right. I

889
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: think character is destiny. I think high character people are

890
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 1: going to do the right thing. Low character people are

891
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 1: more likely to do the wrong thing or more likely

892
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: to be out for themselves. And I certainly believe that. Unfortunately,

893
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 1: a second Trump term has perhaps, Look, we're coarser, we

894
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: just are as a society, and you can't tell me

895
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 1: it's disconnected from the way Donald Trump has modeled himself

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Speaker 1: for the American people.

897
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: You may have heard me say this. I think the

899
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Speaker 1: American bad behavior at Bethpage Black during the Ryder Cup

900
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Speaker 1: is representative of the Trump era. Do I say Trump

901
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:48,839
Speaker 1: himself go to those people to behave that way. No,

902
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm not going to go that far. But I think

903
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: his behavior gives a permission slip that it's okay to

904
00:53:55,080 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: sort of be be rude, be dismissed, be dehumanizing. Hey,

905
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: if the president does it, why can't I? And of

906
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: course this gets it to what we're watching how the

907
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 1: Democrats are dealing with this Virginia issue, where there was

908
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: there was an attempt to hold Republicans accountable when they

909
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 1: misbehaved like this, and there are a lot of Democrats

910
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 1: who were lecturing Republicans for not holding their own side accountable.

911
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: And here you have something on the Democratic side and

912
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,600
Speaker 1: they're not immediately taking the moral high ground here on character,

913
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 1: and it's you know how much of that is? And

914
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: you see that sort of some supporters of Jay Jones

915
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: have essentially said, well, if Trump can do it, why

916
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: can't Why can't we is essentially, you know, if the

917
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 1: voters are going to forgive him, why wouldn't the voters

918
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Speaker 1: forgive Jay Jones?

919
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 2: And maybe that is the case.

920
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: Maybe the electorate has given up that politicians can be

921
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: good people. Unfortunately, right now I do think the I

922
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:06,799
Speaker 1: think good people are afraid to run for office, and

923
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Speaker 1: I think there is a sense that if you're morally

924
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Speaker 1: ambiguous person, but you're looking for legitimacy in society, holding

925
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 1: office suddenly gives you legitimacy. You know, it brings up

926
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Speaker 1: a quote I've been meaning to share with you guys,

927
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Speaker 1: but I just haven't had the right I just haven't

928
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: had the right moment to bring it up. But I'm

929
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: going to go find the quote for you. So Madison Cawthorne,

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00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: the guy, the kid who was sort of who when

931
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: he came to Congress sort of was just he admitted

932
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Speaker 1: the only staff he wanted to hire work communication staff.

933
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Speaker 1: He didn't really see the job as representing his constituents.

934
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Speaker 1: He saw it as just messaging and trolling. He offended

935
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Speaker 1: so many Republicans that they recruited at candidates to primary

936
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Speaker 1: m get him out of office, and he was a

937
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: one term wonder. Well now he has shown up in

938
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Speaker 1: Florida and he wants to run for the open seat

939
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Speaker 1: that Byron Donalds is vacating to run for governor. Well,

940
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Speaker 1: he's not the only former member of Congress running in

941
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Speaker 1: that district for Byron Donalds. There's another disgraced former member

942
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Speaker 1: of Congress that's also running in that race. It is

943
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Speaker 1: Chris Collins. And if you're wondering who Chris Collins is,

944
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: he was a Republican member of Congress from the from

945
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Speaker 1: western New York, representing the Buffalo area, and he was

946
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Speaker 1: notable at first. I mean, I could tell you how

947
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Speaker 1: he got my radar, and first time I interviewed me,

948
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Speaker 1: he was the only member of Congres. He's the first

949
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Speaker 1: member of the House of Representative, the first House Republican

950
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Speaker 1: to officially endorse Donald Trump, and for the longest time,

951
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: he was the only one that endorsed Donald Trump. I mean,

952
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 1: it was it was, it was something else, and he

953
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Speaker 1: was the only one, and he was sort of he

954
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 1: was kind of. I enjoyed interviewing him, and in fact,

955
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Speaker 1: I'm going to try to book him for the podcast

956
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 1: because this quote really stood out to me, and I

957
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: don't get to it in a minute, but it sort

958
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 1: of gets it to what I fear elected office has

959
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: become for too many character challenged people, and perhaps describing

960
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:15,480
Speaker 1: Chris Collins this way.

961
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: Will make him not want to come on.

962
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: But one of the things I found interesting about him

963
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 1: is that he seemed to be comfortable in his own skin,

964
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: willing to sort of take any question and sometimes say

965
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 1: things out loud that you're shocked that he would say,

966
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Speaker 1: which brings me to this quote. So he's among again.

967
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Speaker 1: Madison Cawthorne is running in this race. So's Chris Collins, right,

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00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: the former New Yorker you had to resign in twenty

969
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 1: nineteen after he pled guilty to some insider trading. Collins,

970
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 1: who's now seventy five, he suggested that he wasn't coming

971
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 1: out of involuntary retirement purely because of his desire to

972
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: serve his new community in southwest Florida. Here's what he

973
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: said to a podcast in August. He said, quote, if

974
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Speaker 1: I they then retire as a congressman from Florida nineteen

975
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: and Marco Island in Naples, I think I would be

976
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,920
Speaker 1: welcomed then to serve on some of the you know,

977
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: the not for profit boards and hospital boards and being

978
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: invited to the you know, fundraisers and galas and being welcomed.

979
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Speaker 1: He said, that would be a great retirement because right

980
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: now it's kind of lonely. He goes, you know, I'm

981
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,760
Speaker 1: not invited to any of those things because all I

982
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: am is, you know, the former congressman who resigned in disgrace,

983
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: convicted felon This was this is Chris Collins in a nutshell.

984
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: He will he speaks some blunt truths. He's self aware

985
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 1: and not self aware sort of all at the same time.

986
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: Right says the quiet part out loud that the only

987
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: reason he wants to run if he could just win

988
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: a term. Then suddenly he's invited to all the local

989
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: events and he gets to I guess, sit on the

990
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: dais rather than I'm sure he could be invited to

991
00:58:56,600 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 1: these events, but he doesn't want to beg to be there,

992
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: I guess. Anyway, I use this as an example to

993
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:06,440
Speaker 1: sort of respond to your question on that, because that

994
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: is my concern, is that politics is turned into this

995
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: place where people rehab bad images because we now think

996
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: politicians are kind of you know that we assume a

997
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,680
Speaker 1: politician is slimy. You know, you're guilty of being slimy

998
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: until you prove.

999
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 2: That you're not.

1000
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 1: And that's sad. Right, I got into this. I went

1001
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:32,600
Speaker 1: to Washington because, man, I looked up to these people.

1002
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: And it's true, the more you get to know them,

1003
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: the more you realize not all of them are are

1004
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: worth looking up to. But there was a time more

1005
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: of them were. And it's a bummer. We're not there yet.

1006
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:45,920
Speaker 1: All right, let me do one more question here and.

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00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 2: I'll do my little college football preview for you. Good evening.

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00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: Loving the Check podcast find myself anxiously awaiting the next

1009
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: installment every other morning during the week. I appreciate that

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00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:57,959
Speaker 1: my question you recently cited congressional carve outs for pay

1011
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: during government shutdowns, such as military pay and social security.

1012
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 1: I was listening to someone on Boston Public Radio a

1013
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 1: few days ago, where you are a frequent guest, discussed

1014
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: military pay would cease during the shutdown. So I'm confused.

1015
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for a fantastic source of information critical of both

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01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: sides of the aisle. The pay is guaranteed, that the

1017
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: pay can be delayed, but it's guaranteed, and the military

1018
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,200
Speaker 1: pay was always guaranteed as a carve out, and then

1019
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: they have to a lot of times. Most of the

1020
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: times when they've done these shorts shutdowns, they do pass

1021
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: a bipartisan bill that says, hey, we're going to go

1022
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: ahead and let military pay happen on time. And that

1023
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: was frequent when we always had some you know, some

1024
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: members of the military in a hot zone or a

1025
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: war zone, notably for whatever reason, they didn't you know Democrats.

1026
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,560
Speaker 1: In fact, that's one of the ways that Democrats are

1027
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 1: now trying to go to Mike Johnson back to bringing

1028
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: the House back this week, is to just simply vote

1029
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: on that so that there's no interruption in their pay.

1030
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 1: But the carve out, they're guaranteed their pay and in

1031
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: the case of active duty military, you know, they're housing,

1032
01:01:13,120 --> 01:01:14,520
Speaker 1: the don't have to worry about that. So that's why

1033
01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 1: it's that carve out. If they weren't guaranteed their pay, I.

1034
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: Think you'd have a different situation.

1035
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 1: So where I may have confused you was I may

1036
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 1: have indicated that they were they were getting it without

1037
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: interruption because they always do, but they hadn't. Actually each

1038
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,240
Speaker 1: time they had to individually vote to make sure it

1039
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 1: was done without interruption, and they didn't do that for

1040
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: this time, which was unusual. But there is no but

1041
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: the law guarantees that back pay. Quote it's what the

1042
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:49,120
Speaker 1: law guarantees the back pay now of all federal workers.

1043
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,439
Speaker 1: That was a separate law that was passed in twenty

1044
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 1: nineteen that Donald Trump signed the law and now that

1045
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: his current budget director is trying to claim does not abide.

1046
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:04,560
Speaker 1: But anyway, apologies for confusing you on that, but that

1047
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: that's where that goes, all right, So with that, I

1048
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,440
Speaker 1: am this is my first weekend and four weekends and

1049
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,959
Speaker 1: I'm not traveling to see a football game.

1050
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: I will be honest, as.

1051
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:23,440
Speaker 1: A middling aged man, I am getting exhausted for mayor travel.

1052
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 1: So maybe I needed a weekend off from traveling to football.

1053
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean we don't have a great lineup

1054
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: of games this week. Look the most the one I'm

1055
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: most curious about, and I think the one that will

1056
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:41,880
Speaker 1: be more determinative to me. You know, there's two big

1057
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: ones this week, and they're both in the Big ten. Right,

1058
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: you have Indiana at Oregon. Do you fully believe in Indiana?

1059
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 1: And how good is Oregon?

1060
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:51,400
Speaker 2: Right?

1061
01:02:51,600 --> 01:02:53,760
Speaker 1: Do we look at the Penn State loss to UCLA

1062
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 1: and start to question whether is was that just Penn

1063
01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: State flat spot or is Penn State really just not

1064
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: that good without Tyler Warren?

1065
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 2: Right?

1066
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: And I think we're starting to come to the conclusion

1067
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: that they had a special, special talent in Tyler Warren.

1068
01:03:09,040 --> 01:03:10,240
Speaker 2: How good was he? He's so good.

1069
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 1: He's made the Colts a playoff team right all on

1070
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: his own. He's made Daniel Jones look like an MVP candidate.

1071
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: So shame on all of us for not realizing how

1072
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: maybe that dude should have been invited to New York

1073
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 1: at least to be a Heisman finalist on that front.

1074
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: And then the other interesting game is Ohio State going

1075
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 1: to Champagne in Illinois.

1076
01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 2: Who is Illinois?

1077
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 1: Are they the team that beat USC or the team

1078
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: that got their clocks cleaned in Bloomington by Indiana? They're

1079
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: tough at home. Ohio State does appear to be getting

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01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: better every week. Justin saying, I'm just saying, right, I'm

1081
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 1: not going to get over that punditry that that ability

1082
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,240
Speaker 1: to do so many puns with the quarterback of Ohio State.

1083
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Speaker 2: We're all just.

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Speaker 1: Saying that, justin saying is getting better every week. I'm not,

1085
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: by the way, I'm not somebody who will bet on

1086
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: individual players. I accept the premise that I think player

1087
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 1: props are very corruptible when it comes to when it

1088
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,200
Speaker 1: comes to gambling, and in fact, in the state of Virginia,

1089
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: they don't even allow you to bet on awards. You

1090
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: can't bet on the Heisman in Virginia. I have to

1091
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: go across the river to DC if I wanted.

1092
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 2: To do that.

1093
01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: But if I were taking a long shot Heisman pick

1094
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 1: right now, justin saying would be a pretty good bye

1095
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: at this point, because you know the way the Heisman

1096
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: stuff works, it's all recency bias. And as much as

1097
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: I think Reuben Bain and Miami or Carson Beck and

1098
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: Miami both deserve consideration, their most high profile games are

1099
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 1: now over and Ohio State has a lot more high

1100
01:04:50,080 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: profile games to come. And of course that you know,

1101
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: the whole recency bias, right, He's going to be having

1102
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: that Michigan game, you know, not very far from the

1103
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: voting itself, perhap. Ohio State Oregon in the in the

1104
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 1: Big Ten Conference final itself is another stage for him. Anyway,

1105
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting how good is he? How good is

1106
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: is Illinois. It's slowing this game down in order to

1107
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,840
Speaker 1: give themselves a chance. They can't afford to trade scores

1108
01:05:16,880 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: with Ohio State. So I'm intrigued by that game. I

1109
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: don't know if I buy into Illinois, And in fact,

1110
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: their victory over USC makes me doubt USC more than

1111
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 1: it does make me more confident in Illinois. And then

1112
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: there's Indiana in Oregon right the other game, So it

1113
01:05:36,280 --> 01:05:38,560
Speaker 1: all depends on how much of a juggernaut you think Illinois.

1114
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:40,440
Speaker 1: I think it's clear Indiana is better this year than

1115
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: they were last year. But does that mean they're they're

1116
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: they're a contender for the whole thing or not. If

1117
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:50,320
Speaker 1: they can put up a once, you know, even lose

1118
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,320
Speaker 1: just by one score in Eugene, I think it's fair

1119
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: to say, because that is one tough place to play,

1120
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,520
Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say they are contenders. Uh.

1121
01:05:58,840 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 2: I can't believe.

1122
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,919
Speaker 1: I'm not that The first game out of my mouth

1123
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: isn't about Texas Oklahoma. Here we have the Red River

1124
01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:10,800
Speaker 1: Shootout rivalry, whatever we're supposed to call it. Now, it

1125
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: does feel as if this is a This has become

1126
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: a very important game for Arch Manning's reputation, fairly or unfairly.

1127
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: I do think it's worth reminding people that Arch's grandfather, Archie,

1128
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 1: was the first one to say he's not turning pro

1129
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,160
Speaker 1: in twenty six. Perhaps he knew his grandson needed more

1130
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,320
Speaker 1: time to sort of in the football factory to get better.

1131
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:40,440
Speaker 1: Look the hype machine. It's not as if the Manning

1132
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: family didn't contribute to the hype machine. And you know,

1133
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 1: it is what it is. Sometimes you can't do anything

1134
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 1: about it. You know, if he were Arch Smith, he

1135
01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:51,439
Speaker 1: wouldn't be He wouldn't have gotten the same amount of hype,

1136
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 1: nor would he be getting the same amount of criticism.

1137
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,800
Speaker 1: But the real question is whether John Matteer, Oklahoma starting quarterback,

1138
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: is really going to try to play here in this game.

1139
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: Except look, Oklahoma are are they legit contenders for the

1140
01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: whole thing? They beat Texas without Matier as a relevant force.

1141
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:18,240
Speaker 1: That's a big deal and that shouldn't be ignored. So

1142
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 1: that's probably the third most interesting game for me on

1143
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,480
Speaker 1: the docket. Then after that, everything else is only interesting

1144
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 1: depending on how much money you plan on putting down there.

1145
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Georgia Auburn, I think we thought that.

1146
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,080
Speaker 2: Would be a big deal game.

1147
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: I assume Georgia wins that with a little bit of

1148
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 1: put it this way, I I will be surprised if

1149
01:07:43,240 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: that's a if that's a close game in the fourth quarter,

1150
01:07:45,720 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 1: and if it is, then maybe Georgia isn't a top

1151
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,240
Speaker 1: ten team this year. And by the way, no shame

1152
01:07:51,280 --> 01:07:53,840
Speaker 1: in that. My goodness, look at how many people they've

1153
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 1: sent to the pros. At some point, I'm not saying

1154
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: the cupboard is empty, but their depth at some point

1155
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: is going to catch up with them, and in this environment,

1156
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,040
Speaker 1: you don't get to stockball talent the way you used

1157
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: to be able to stockpilot. So that's a little bit

1158
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: of a we'll learn a little something there, depending on

1159
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:14,840
Speaker 1: the on the spread of that game and if baseball

1160
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 1: is not doing it for you. That Friday night South

1161
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 1: Florida North Texas game, it's a big deal to South

1162
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,680
Speaker 1: Florida if they want to be the group of five

1163
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 1: representative in the playoff. I think it's gonna be a

1164
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: great game. They're going on the road. They got to

1165
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: win that game. And as a Floridian and as a

1166
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,439
Speaker 1: team that that the Hurricanes have defeated, I want to

1167
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: see everybody that Miami.

1168
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 2: Beat do well.

1169
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 1: So let's go Bulls. Let's go see if you can

1170
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: go to the other big game in North Texas this

1171
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: weekend and give them a good preview. Should be an

1172
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 1: entertaining game. If you're just looking for some entertaining football,

1173
01:08:51,320 --> 01:08:54,360
Speaker 1: North Texas and South Florida is one that will be

1174
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,760
Speaker 1: worthy of your time. All right, with that, I have

1175
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,559
Speaker 1: a relaxing weekend as my Hurricanes have another bye. We'll

1176
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: get a buy week before Florida State bye. I have

1177
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: to tell you The scheduling this year for Miami has

1178
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,680
Speaker 1: been fantastic, which means, let's not screw this season up.

1179
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 1: We are not going to have where we get a

1180
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:13,479
Speaker 1: buy before Florida State and then a BUYE to recover

1181
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: from Florida State before going into this Friday night game

1182
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 1: that we have coming up next week with the always

1183
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:25,679
Speaker 1: dangerous Louisville Cardinals. So with that, I'll see in about

1184
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 1: ninety six hours. Enjoy what is this is right now,

1185
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 1: we are at peak sports fandom. They're all coming together, NHL,

1186
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: NBA regular seasons begin, baseball playoffs, college football, NFL. It

1187
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 1: is a smorgasboard, So enjoy it while it's here. Enjoy

1188
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: this October weekend, and with that I'll see in my

1189
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: name