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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: This is Morning Combat. It's the fourteenth of February twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty two, the day of love, the day of more,

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Speaker 1: the day where Brian and I will probably declare none

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Speaker 1: of that and we'll just fight for two hours because

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Speaker 1: it's time for Morning Combat. Hello everyone. My name is

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas and one half of your hosting duo right

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Speaker 1: here in Washington, d C. I am joined by the

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Speaker 1: Crown Prince of Connecticut, my friend and yours. According to Twitter,

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Speaker 1: the biggest Robert Whittaker fan that ever lived. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a little unfair. It's Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian, how

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Speaker 1: are you?

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Speaker 2: Luke? I'm fine, Thank you. Happy Valentine's Day to you

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Speaker 2: and your beautiful wife and daughter and mother in law

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Speaker 2: and all the great women in your life. Luke, I

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Speaker 2: our listeners today only, Luke. Okay, it's a special I

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Speaker 1: If you don't get COVID, you will get herpes. That's

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Speaker 1: one way or the other. You're getting a communicable disease.

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Speaker 1: How was your Super Bowl bus? Did you do anything

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Speaker 2: It turned out to be awesome and it was as

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Speaker 2: low key as possible. Shout out to my wife. Of course,

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Speaker 2: and then got to watch the first half with bull sons.

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Speaker 2: But one of my sons went the distance with me.

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Speaker 2: So to be watching a game that fun and competitive,

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Speaker 2: moment in father son history, Luke. Okay, my dad never

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Speaker 2: We watched all the Tyson nineties pay per views, we

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Speaker 2: I wish you and your father could have watched a

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Speaker 2: few Super Bowls together, if only things have been different.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad we're bringing up family troubles out of

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Speaker 1: nowhere and for no good reason. To BC. Glad you're

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Speaker 1: here today. On the show, we'll get to UFC two

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Speaker 1: seventy one. Stuff a lot of UFC two seventy one stuff.

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Speaker 1: So that should be a lot of fun. And believe

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Speaker 1: interesting debate here today. I'm excited for that on the show. Plus,

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Speaker 1: DMS from donks have you seen this shit? We have

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Speaker 2: Sure, false to or false? During Super Bowl lv I,

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Speaker 2: last night you had what do you call that movie

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Speaker 1: Oh incanto? Yes, yes, no, no, no, we actually did

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Speaker 1: have Okay, so this is true. We actually did have

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl on. But I worked through most of it,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, I did tape study through almost

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Speaker 1: my super Bowl experience. Just worked. It was great, great,

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Speaker 1: great life.

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Speaker 2: I have one thing I told my son at the

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Speaker 2: end of that thrilling game, when we both felt for

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Speaker 2: young Joe Burrow, was don't worry Joe follows Morning Combat

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Speaker 2: on IG He's gonna have plenty to be excited about today.

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Speaker 1: Okay, he played well too, even through the injury, he

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Speaker 1: played well. But what are you gonna do? Okay, we'll

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Speaker 1: talk about the halftime show and whatnot later. Gotta remind

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Speaker 1: everyone this is Showtime. In fact, you can catch BC

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Speaker 1: If not, pounce in BC. Who is fighting in the

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Speaker 2: when he takes on Nahir Albright, who is one of

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Speaker 2: and I commend that, Luke, as if as if you know,

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Speaker 1: things first, how did you score the main event between

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Speaker 2: To two in favor of Robert Whitaker. I know that's

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Speaker 2: But I thought Luke he was offensive enough to have

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Speaker 1: Can't give you four. I can give you three. But

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Speaker 1: more for your scorecard. Give me your scores round by rounds.

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Speaker 1: How did you break up the three for Robert Whiticker?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a lot of things.

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Speaker 2: I had a lot of things to say about that.

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Speaker 2: First of all, that first round is ten to nine.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, to me, no damage is the same thing

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Speaker 2: stamps to show you situations in which Whittaker landed clean shots,

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Speaker 2: What the heck was out of Sonya throwing Luke one

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Speaker 2: but this is not that dissimilar to Romero versus out

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Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, so there's a lot there we got to

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Speaker 1: So we are in agreement that the first, the fourth,

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Speaker 1: have watched round two a lot. Now everyone's gonna be different.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it's mostly a decision about what do you

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Speaker 2: confident that it was definitely a Whittaker round is round two,

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Speaker 2: But round two, Luke, for all the criticism Whittaker had

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Speaker 2: could have. Round two's takedown, the first one of the fight,

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Speaker 2: That's exactly how you, you know, hammer down the impact

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Speaker 2: the same criticisms biz Ping and DC are giving Ridtaker

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Speaker 1: The busier guy you don't the way we busier guy

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Speaker 2: Not overwhelming enough. And I know you can just as

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Speaker 2: easily flip my argument against me and say, look out

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Speaker 2: The story is the scoring and all here. And what

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Speaker 2: I'm saying is, even if you want to use that

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Speaker 1: He's taken him flush. I think they had an impact

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Speaker 1: I don't think he had six minutes Rob Whittaker collectively

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Speaker 1: I grant you it is, it is close, but that's

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Speaker 2: And this this is the swing round?

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Speaker 2: The guy that gets taken down and hit three times?

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Speaker 1: He didn't really get taken down, dude, If you pop

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Speaker 2: With its, not a lot with it, dude.

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Speaker 1: I'm not here to tell you value there.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm not here to tell you that three punches

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Speaker 2: on top are overly effective. But when we're cararing that

430
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,439
Speaker 2: to counter calf kicks from Atasiannia in round two, once again,

431
00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: I don't see the overwhelming argument that it's no doubt.

432
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 2: I don't even get how you score round two for Audasianya.

433
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:12,920
Speaker 1: Dude, I just think you count. You don't think those

434
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: calf kicks are all that impactful. I think they're majorly impactful.

435
00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,879
Speaker 1: I think they have a real benefit when they land,

436
00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 1: they have a real benefit. He was lighting them up

437
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:21,880
Speaker 1: with those in the.

438
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:25,919
Speaker 2: Sun when they're not being equaled by clean counter jabs,

439
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,639
Speaker 2: which I think washes those calf strikes.

440
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,000
Speaker 1: In the end. I don't think they I really don't

441
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: think it does. I count the jabs, and the jabs

442
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,720
Speaker 1: end up being the story in many ways of the

443
00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 1: fight for Robert Whittaker, certainly I would agree, but in

444
00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 1: round two they were just not clicking enough for me.

445
00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:40,120
Speaker 1: But this is what I was trying to get to

446
00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 1: be see, this is where the revelation that I had.

447
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 1: Here's what's kind of interesting for me. I washed round

448
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 1: two several times. I couldn't find it for Whittaker, and

449
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,680
Speaker 1: then we moved to round three, and through the first

450
00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,440
Speaker 1: four minutes of that round, I'm like, dude, Whittaker's winning

451
00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 1: round three better than he's winning round like I was.

452
00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:57,720
Speaker 1: Heading into round the end of round three, I was like, dude,

453
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: this is Whittaker's round. But I think what changed it

454
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:03,119
Speaker 1: and this is really what saved Audasanya. I think ultimately

455
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 1: is that the forty two second mark of round number three,

456
00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 1: he lands a either a leg or a calf cake,

457
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,760
Speaker 1: but it's the kind that drove a big reaction from

458
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker. He actually lifts it, not as a blocking mechanism,

459
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:17,240
Speaker 1: but after he gets hit and then kind of stumbles

460
00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: a little bit. It was really demonstrative. And then after

461
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 1: that from the forty second mark, forty two second marks

462
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: gives me on is he lands a series of hard

463
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,720
Speaker 1: punches that lambs straight to Whittaker's face following up and

464
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,280
Speaker 1: Whittaker backs up. In other words, I think he kind

465
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: of stole around at the very end there by that

466
00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: last push. But this is what I wanted to say

467
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,360
Speaker 1: BC to me, that fight turns at the three round mark,

468
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,639
Speaker 1: when the third round starts. What I learned from watching

469
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,800
Speaker 1: that upon review was that Whittaker took away everything out

470
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:51,080
Speaker 1: of Sonya wanted to do. He stayed away like for example,

471
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: like Furiedd against Wilder, where he had to double jab

472
00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 1: to get into range, which he didn't do the first time.

473
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,720
Speaker 1: He was able to intercept and get off the center

474
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,080
Speaker 1: line and throw his jab and then follow behind it.

475
00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:03,159
Speaker 1: Then later on, as we noted in the fourth and

476
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 1: fifth rounds, bringing in more of the wrestling, and the

477
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,720
Speaker 1: control time in the third round was one minute and

478
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: thirty eight seconds. Now, that is pretty good. That is substantial.

479
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: That's the kind you just can't overlook. What do I

480
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,920
Speaker 1: bring this up to say, we see the two biggest

481
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 1: things to me that costs Robert Whitaker. Maybe you could

482
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,640
Speaker 1: throw in do more with the takedowns, but I honestly

483
00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: believe that at a signing, we just got to respect it.

484
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 1: At this point, his ability to get up off the mat,

485
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 1: especially along the fence line, and then defend the takedown

486
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 1: there is great. What I think cost Whittaker is one

487
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,760
Speaker 1: that forty two second push in round three, and dude,

488
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 1: he got started cold. He got started cold. If that

489
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 1: round that fight was one more round, there's not a

490
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 1: doubt in my mind Robert Whittaker wins that contest. But

491
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: the fact that he started I think he was right

492
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: to like, stay centered, right, don't make too many mistakes,

493
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 1: don't get overwhelmed. I got it. But is he came

494
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,400
Speaker 1: out hot. So we took the first round right away,

495
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: and now Robert has to win three of the next four,

496
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 1: and they're going to be close and difficult. You shift

497
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: that back one round the guy who started round two.

498
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 1: If the guy who started round two starts round one,

499
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,720
Speaker 1: Robert Whitaker's your new UFC middleweight champion of the World.

500
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 1: I am sure of that.

501
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,399
Speaker 2: Look. You know, I gave I scored what the Romero

502
00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: fight three to two, and I don't have nearly the

503
00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 2: confidence I do in this scoring. Nothing happened in that

504
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 2: fight as well, and I think it came down to

505
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 2: interpretation of the guy coming forward, not Asnia throwing lake

506
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: strikes or the guy landing heavy countershots. In Romero once

507
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,439
Speaker 2: in a while again, I thought neither man in that

508
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 2: fight had the argument that they definitely should have won.

509
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 2: And now, look, this is the second time adis Sonia's

510
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: look leaving it up to interpretation, leaving it up to

511
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 2: the judges on lack of overall output that they'll reward

512
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 2: supposedly his harder and cleaner shots. And while your argument

513
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,879
Speaker 2: for round three being out of Sognya based on that

514
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 2: late surge, again, if you interpret it that way, that's fine,

515
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,200
Speaker 2: but you know what round three was filled with. Every

516
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: time Whittakert did have success ducking under the jab, encountering

517
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,119
Speaker 2: with clean ones on his own, you had DC and

518
00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,919
Speaker 2: Viisping pointing out how much his one strike approach won't work.

519
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,479
Speaker 2: And then Luke and I think here, ultimately, look, these

520
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: guys aren't judges, but they do. They do paint a

521
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 2: narrative that becomes overpowering when you're watching at home and

522
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,639
Speaker 2: you're not scoring, or you're watching at home and you

523
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 2: maybe don't understand the nuances the same there was constant

524
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,440
Speaker 2: talking round three and even the first half of four

525
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: about how what whitaker is doing cannot take the belt

526
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 2: from a champion as great as Adasanya. Again, guys, that

527
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:31,440
Speaker 2: argument holds no value when the champion has no output,

528
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 2: because at the end of the day, you don't have

529
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 2: to take the belt from the champion, which is the

530
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: working narrative, you have to win three of the five

531
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: rounds against the champion. So we really have to move

532
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 2: off of that idea of looking at it, because even

533
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 2: though Outasanya wasn't getting bruised bloodied, he also wasn't effective. Really, Luke,

534
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: after the first round, you like that pocket of strikes

535
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: at the end of round three, that's.

536
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: Fine, Well, he was more think if I'm just asked,

537
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:59,399
Speaker 1: like if I'm trying to think, like how did the

538
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 1: judges get to him? I can't think of any other

539
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: reason to give it to him. But for that, that's

540
00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: all I'm saying.

541
00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: It's tough, and you know I'm not here to kill

542
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 2: bisping in Cormier just the same.

543
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: But also in fairness to Cormier, didn't he by the

544
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: end of that fight be like, I don't know, Mike,

545
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: I think there's some pretty swing rounds in the middle.

546
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: He started to tease that in round four, which I

547
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,880
Speaker 2: thought was a not a clear But again, when you're

548
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,479
Speaker 2: matching up the very little amount of offense that happened,

549
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: I favored Whitakers because well, look, let me ask you this, okay,

550
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 2: and to your okay to close on that point.

551
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:28,400
Speaker 1: Yes.

552
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 2: At the end of round four, Bisbee says, look, I

553
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 2: got it four to nothing. You got to take the

554
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 2: bell from the champion, which is wrong. DC Connor said,

555
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, Mike. I think it might be closer

556
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: and interpreted better. Luke, while we are overly praising Adasanja

557
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: for getting up right away when taken down, and obviously

558
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,199
Speaker 2: you give him that credit. Outside of the three punches

559
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 2: he took in round two on the ground, he really

560
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: didn't take any damage the rest of the way. Andy

561
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: got out of that choke. But because he's not doing

562
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 2: much once he's getting back up, and because he didn't

563
00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 2: even attempt to take down against Whittaker let alone do it,

564
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 2: don't you favor those interactions in exchanges for Whittaker because

565
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,640
Speaker 2: he's taking the champion off of his game, forcing him

566
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,879
Speaker 2: to use energy to fight up. I'm not saying you

567
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: would use that as your lead defense of why Whittaker

568
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: could have won around because no, he's not offensive enough

569
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: in those situations. But when the damage is equal, don't

570
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: those work in his favor? Even if it's one takedown

571
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 2: per round it's the one mixed with the multiple attempts.

572
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as people don't like when we

573
00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: overly score takedowns that don't come with action, it sounds

574
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 2: a lot like we're overly scoring the fact that Atosania

575
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: got up so quickly each time, even though he's getting

576
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 2: taken down cleanly.

577
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 1: Look Well, for the folks who don't know the rules,

578
00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you'd bec For folks out there, defense

579
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,200
Speaker 1: is supposed to be counted as its own reward, so iz,

580
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: he should not be awarded metaphorical points for getting out

581
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: of a takedown or what are escaping a submission. The

582
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: idea would be, if you stuff the take down, if

583
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: you get out of a submission, the reward is you're

584
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 1: no longer being threatened, you're no longer being taken down.

585
00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: So for folks who don't know that, I would agree

586
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: that if you see the damage as equivalent, like you've

587
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: just looked at your like, I don't know, man, it

588
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: looks the same to me. And then one guy gets

589
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: a takedown even if it's pretty fleeting. Now, if it's

590
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: super fleeting, I don't know about that, but you know

591
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: sits as we're in down or whatever. Yeah, I would

592
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: decide that would be a that would be a tiebreaker

593
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 1: in those instances, and to me, in that fourth and

594
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,480
Speaker 1: fifth round, those I don't know if there were tiebreakers,

595
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 1: but the grappling work that he was doing, especially in

596
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: that fifth round, but even in the fourth round, it

597
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: adds to the overall body of work. And I would

598
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 1: also argue that I don't think the striking is equal

599
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: in round four. I actually think Robert Whitaker did a

600
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 1: better job, so he doesn't even need that fact. But

601
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 1: to your point, yes, it would be like it would

602
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 1: be a tiebreaker.

603
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 2: In four and five. How did Whitaker get those takedowns

604
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 2: by ducking jabs coming at him and going right for

605
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 2: the take. So look, there's a lot you have to like, Luke.

606
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 2: I want to throw to some Michael Chandler tweets as

607
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: we close sort of the debate about scoring here, because

608
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,600
Speaker 2: while while Chandler was I think more aggressive than the case,

609
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 2: I'm ultimately trying to paint and maybe extra critical of Adisignia,

610
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: I do want to get your take as to whether

611
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: there's merit in here, Gaff if we can throw up

612
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: a series of about four tweets are from Chandler. He

613
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: started us saying his first dominant as is he is,

614
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 2: he isn't overly offensive, and look, you gotta agree that's true.

615
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: And I think you gotta agree that that's because of

616
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,360
Speaker 2: Robert Whitaker.

617
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: I will agree it's true, but I think people don't

618
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: understand why it's actually a revelation I had. Let's come

619
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: back to this.

620
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 2: Okay, tweet number two here in this and this run

621
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: here by one Michael Chandler, we playing a game or

622
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: are we fighting? Asking you?

623
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: I mean Michael's and talt to his opinion. I love Michael.

624
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: But he also tweeted, what are we playing? Touch? But

625
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,960
Speaker 2: now so you get that. But we're we're we're building

626
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 2: a narrative here, Luca says, trust me, I love Izzy.

627
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 2: We've gotten to a point where a dominant champ just

628
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: needs to stand there, throw a few shots per round,

629
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 2: and he will not lose unless he gets caught, and

630
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 2: he will always get the nod is he got paid

631
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: on his last contract. Go fight, don't you dare? Spark Luke.

632
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,959
Speaker 2: I'm not advocating per se to the hey is he

633
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 2: you're rich? Now, why don't you go out there and

634
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: give us a fight dude, you want to play chess,

635
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 2: it's in play. You want to John Fitch a fight,

636
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: it's in play. But my question is there any merit

637
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 2: in that after two very close fights Romero and now

638
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 2: Robert Whittaker, where you can criticize the champ for for

639
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 2: if not criticize the champ, criticize the combination of judging

640
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: and the group thing created by the announcers for basically saying,

641
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 2: because the champions not in peril, he's not losing this round, right.

642
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean that should never be in play, but you're asking,

643
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: like whether it should or shouldn't be? Is it? I

644
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: don't know how you can say that that's not true

645
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: when you look at a scorecard like Mike Beltran. Like

646
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: if Mike Beltron had had one through four for Izzy

647
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: and then round five excuse yeah, one through four for

648
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: Izzy in round five for Whittaker. I know that you

649
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,920
Speaker 1: would still disagree with that scorecard BC, but I could

650
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: at least rationalize that. I could rationalize, you know, okay,

651
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: of all the rounds you gave him, you gave him

652
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: the fifth, that would make sense. But to not give

653
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 1: him the fifth and then to give him the second,

654
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you can argue that, like

655
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: champions in MMA and UFC sometimes don't win just by

656
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: virtue of the inertia of their championship. I think there's

657
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: probably a lot of evidence for that, to be honest

658
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: with you, how much on Saturday night we can debate.

659
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 1: But do I think it's a relevant factor? Yeah? Yeah,

660
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: I do. All right.

661
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: Final tweet here from Chandler, which is maybe further explaining aside.

662
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 2: I'm not advocating banging over tactically fighting.

663
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: I'll pitch banging over tactically fighting. If you know what

664
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: I'm saying. On Valentine's Day.

665
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 2: Looks like the V stands for vapor batch. I'm trying

666
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 2: to advocate for his spirit of inflicting dominance in the

667
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 2: face of danger. Don't play it safe, take more chances.

668
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: I don't need you to plod forward with reckless abandon

669
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 2: but have a little anger in your heart. End quote, right, Luke.

670
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 2: Obviously this is a consider the source. You know, Chandler's

671
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 2: one of the greatest action fighters of all time. He

672
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 2: welcomes the danger. That's not necessarily is unless you're coming

673
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: after him, which is what Whitaker did in the first fight.

674
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: And you you're just you know, then he can use

675
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 2: his strength against you. Do you think if you're Eugene

676
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: Barman and company, that you do have to understand you

677
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 2: may have touched a bullet in the Romero fight, in

678
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: the Whitaker fight here, and you can't keep doing this

679
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,920
Speaker 2: or you're gonna lose three rounds to two in a

680
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: point fight if you're not like Chandler says, a little

681
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: bit more angry in wanting to prove your point.

682
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 1: So I don't think that that's the best way to

683
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: describe it, but I think you are. You guys are

684
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 1: both onto something. Here is the revelation that I had

685
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 1: about watching Autosiannya this time, that it should have occurred

686
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: to me before. It's kind of obvious, but it's worth

687
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 1: stating out loud. Don't think this is some grand revelation,

688
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: but just think about something. Let's try this exercise very simply.

689
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: Let's imagine a scenario. It's not Robert Whitaker, it's somebody else.

690
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 1: Let's say that what israel Atasnya is in the is

691
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: in the fight of his life, and he's down four

692
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: rounds to zero. We're heading into the fifth. He's beat up,

693
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: but he's not so beat up that you couldn't imagine

694
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: a rally. After all, it is Israel Atasignia. But imagine

695
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: that those first four rounds are just like there's no

696
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: doubt he lost him. Like whatever that means, he lost him.

697
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: Everyone agrees. It's either knockout, submission or you lose. What

698
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: would Adasanya do in the fifth round tactically, do you

699
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: believe in your heart of hearts, if he went into

700
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: that fifth round he would choose to wrestle as a

701
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: way to switch things up. Do you believe that? No? Right?

702
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: And that is the point. Here is what I realized

703
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: about Adasanya. He fights only one way. He fights only

704
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: one way. One of the big revelations that has a

705
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 1: lot of tricks that he pulls off. But one of

706
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: the big revelations of the Blakhovich fight was I've talked

707
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: about this. He took away not all of it, but

708
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: he took away a lot of the leg kicking, in

709
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: part by taking him off of his feet, in part

710
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: by checking a lot of it. That forced Adasanya to

711
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: go and box a little bit more. And from there

712
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Blahovich was quite competitive with him. He could actually do

713
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: a lot with it. In other words, while Atasnya is

714
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: as I mean no, I mean yeah. No one has

715
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: said more nice things about him in the last four

716
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,000
Speaker 1: years than me, and I still believe all those things.

717
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: What I mean this is he only really fights one

718
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: kind of way. If you shut off the spigot of

719
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: leg kicks, it shuts off a dramatic portion of his

720
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: offense because he's not going to go to these other levels.

721
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: Could he go to a takedown, could he go to

722
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: the back? I'm actually sure that he could, but he doesn't. Well,

723
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: let me finish. I gotta get this out, BC, I

724
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: gotta get it out. The pointing, get it out.

725
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 2: I want to hear it.

726
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: Luke. Okay. The point I'm trying to make here is

727
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: one of the things that's going to cost him is

728
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: because he keeps fighting everyone more or less the same way.

729
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: Now he has different degrees of success, smaller tactics that

730
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: he employs, some things he wants to do in terms

731
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 1: of a very granular approach. But he's going to strike

732
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,479
Speaker 1: with you. He's going to use his leg kicks. He's

733
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: going to try and jab, and he's going to try

734
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 1: and just do that. He's not going to try and

735
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: take you down, he's not going to try and look

736
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: for the back and so what you saw from Robert

737
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: Whitaker was a transformation that allowed him to account for those.

738
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: What I'm arguing is, I think is he's the rightful

739
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: winner on Saturday. A grant, it's close, but I think

740
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: he's the rightful winner. However, it is clear that people

741
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: are figuring out how to fight him, how to take

742
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: pieces of his game away. And because he doesn't have

743
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: very many pieces in terms of the overall body of

744
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 1: what MMA offers, shutting off just one or two has

745
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 1: an enormous impact on his on his influence Offensively.

746
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,560
Speaker 2: Look, not only do I agree with you wholeheartedly, although

747
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 2: although you're you're leaning heavy on the if he can't

748
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 2: calf kick you, he can't have success. I agree with

749
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 2: you so much because this is what I said on

750
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: Friday show, meaning you to be able to pull this off,

751
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: you have to be Robert Whitaker level. You have to

752
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 2: be well rounded, tough. All that we already said, even

753
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 2: though I predicted to Whittaker win that it would be

754
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 2: an uphill battle. But what I said was, I'm not

755
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 2: going to call out Asnia at one dimensional because it's

756
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 2: insulting and essentially says he has no other way of

757
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: winning a fight, and look, he's too great. That's not true.

758
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 2: But he's so much more likely to win a fight

759
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 2: if you come at him and he only comes forward

760
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 2: when the table said turned, when he is now going

761
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 2: downhill because his opponent is either fatigued or is he

762
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 2: has completely figured out their rhythms, similar to the second

763
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: half of the first round against Brunson, where it's just okay,

764
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: he's gonna go now into first gear and he's gonna

765
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 2: put it on you. If you take that away from

766
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 2: him and make him come forward, obviously you're gonna have

767
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: to be super early to pull it off. And like

768
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: DC rightfully said ahead of the fight, you may have

769
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 2: to be boring and risk, you know, getting booed by

770
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: the crowd to do it. But it is possible because

771
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: if you stay in that strength of visy, that what

772
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,120
Speaker 2: makes him so great, that spider web, nobody's coming out

773
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: of that. You're gonna get pieced up. But if you

774
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: make him think and come forward, Look, he's not the

775
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 2: same fighter. It's just a fact.

776
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: Now, I just want to point out, just to go

777
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 1: back to the thing, I'm more or I more or

778
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 1: less agree with that. I'm more or less agree. I

779
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit overstated, but I think you're

780
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: generally correct. But I just want to go back if

781
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: if Saint Pierre has been striking for four and he's

782
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:01,879
Speaker 1: down in the fifth, he's coming out. I mean, he's

783
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: gonna wrestle before that. But the point being is he

784
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: would wrestle before that, in part because he can, and

785
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: in part because he would need to. I think it's

786
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: worth thinking about. There are guys like Atasanya who's striking

787
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 1: is so good that he can lord it over the division,

788
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: but as a division gets mature and wise to a

789
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: guy who competes in a similar, nearly identical kind of way. Again,

790
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 1: there are subtle and meaningful differences that should be noted.

791
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: But because he keeps going back to that, well, they

792
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: have picked up on what works and what doesn't. And

793
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: it took him a long time to do it. But

794
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say the cats out of the bag

795
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: before the high level operators. They've gotten much much, much

796
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: more of a roadmap. And if is he can't find

797
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: other gears, not just like defensively wrestling the way he

798
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: did is phenomenal, dude. Even Robert Whittaker couldn't really do

799
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 1: shit to him on the ground, not in a meaningful way,

800
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: not for enough to win certain pockets of the fight. Yes,

801
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: of course, but you know what I'm saying, Like he

802
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: didn't dominate him like he did Kelvin Gastlin. Dude, we

803
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: got to give them to him. Is he can do that,

804
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: but that's not the same as taking another guy down

805
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: and backpacking him, or or is he you know, doing

806
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: being good at ground and pound and that being a

807
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: way he wins fights like check Congo, completely different fighter.

808
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: But he was a striker when he got into UFC

809
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: and now in beltz or he's just a fucking wrestle

810
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: ground pounder. He found other ways to find ways to win.

811
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: I think if at Asanja wants to have continued success,

812
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: that's gonna be important to really add those layers in

813
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: trouble without it.

814
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 2: And let me save this up front here out Starry,

815
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 2: he's one of my favorite fighters of all time. I

816
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: favored him to beat Blahovich. I think you know he's

817
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: still number what is he number two pound for pound

818
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,959
Speaker 2: at worst? I mean, this guy's great, But I did

819
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: get a little Felix Trinidad feeling and let me explain

820
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,919
Speaker 2: this to you, Luke. You remember Felix Trinidad and Boxing

821
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: Force in the late nineties. He was unstoppable at one

822
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 2: forty seven one point fifty four, just by walking dudes

823
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 2: down with that pressure. It's like it's almost the opposite

824
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: of at Astania. He was more coming at you at

825
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 2: all times. But Oscar de la Hooya, in that very

826
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: controversial loss, and again you have to be a super

827
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 2: elite to pull this off, created a blueprint where Trinidad

828
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 2: just wasn't the same fighter if you are circling away

829
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: from him and making him chase, because he's so much

830
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 2: better at at chasing you on his terms, you know,

831
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,759
Speaker 2: sitting down on his shots and letting his combinations go.

832
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 2: But when you are just making him chase, it's different.

833
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 2: What did Bernard Hopkins use to finally beat him in

834
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: that great fight at Middleway? The blueprint that he put

835
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: out there. So you know, I'm not fearing that Atasania

836
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 2: is the death star here and that some you know,

837
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 2: some orphaned pilot from Tattooin is gonna be the guy

838
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 2: that eventually implodes it. I'm just saying Luke, it's gonna

839
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: be interesting moving forward to your point. And I'm wondering, truthfully,

840
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:40,440
Speaker 2: if now's the time to go up to two a

841
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 2: five full time, where you can lean much more in

842
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: the speed and technique advantages. I don't know, Luke, It's

843
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 2: an interesting debate.

844
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: It certainly is an interesting debate. Let's before we moved

845
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 1: to rove with her, let's say one last thing about

846
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: is he for me? Again, I think you would agree

847
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: it's not hard. I mean, okay, there is even you

848
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: would agree there is a case for Atta Signa have

849
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: to win this fight and for me can't. I can't

850
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: find three rounds for Whittaker, although I again I think

851
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 1: the story of the fights that it turned in the

852
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: third and what he did was really the impressive part

853
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 1: still for Adasignia, and I made this point on Saturday,

854
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: I do want to make sure we get say something

855
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: nice about the championaire because he did win, and again

856
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: I do think personally he is the rightful winner BC.

857
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: You would agree, however close this fight was, and it

858
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,160
Speaker 1: was close, we knew Whittaker was going to be a

859
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: tough customer. It is to me quite remarkable that a

860
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 1: guy like Adasignia. You know, when Anderson Silva came to

861
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: the UFC already had four losses, different career, different era,

862
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: I understand, and then what he did in his thirties

863
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: was unbelievable. But to be undefeated in MMA all the

864
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: way through now other guys in your division, including former champions,

865
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: getting a second crack at you, and to still be undefeated,

866
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: especially when you fight kind of one way the whole time,

867
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: it is remarkable. He is a special champion, and that's

868
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: why even guys like Robert Whittakers as good as he did,

869
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: even he had to really kind of struggle to get

870
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 1: three rounds from him. Ada. Sonya is a fucking force

871
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: and has been.

872
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,279
Speaker 2: He's great. He's great. That's why if you had a

873
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: three to two out of Sonia, yeah, I mean, you

874
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: know he he you know what he did, Luke, you

875
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: would he get in any kind of serious trouble and

876
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: to a certain degree, that's what champions do. Obviously. I

877
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: just need I need something more. I need a consistent jab.

878
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 2: I need something. Luke his kicking game, you know, I mean, look,

879
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: the calfkicks kept him in it. In my mind, if

880
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 2: I'm scoring it three two Whittaker, but I don't think

881
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 2: there was enough constant thread of his kicking game, constant

882
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 2: threat of high kicks.

883
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: Well you mentioned that. Yeah, he was strong with it

884
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,439
Speaker 1: for the first two rounds and then kind of got

885
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: away from it a little bit, which was funny because

886
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: I rewatched the Blahovich fight Grant a different fight. Okay,

887
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 1: but through two rounds he was heavy with the kicking

888
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 1: there and then kind of got away from it a

889
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: little bit, which could be just, you know, the way

890
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: in which he likes to fight. I'm not sure what

891
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: best explains that, but you're right, it wasn't. Ah. It

892
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,879
Speaker 1: had its moments. It had its moments, but it wasn't

893
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,879
Speaker 1: a consistently applied technique, uh in a way that you

894
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: would imagine it could happen. I think that's probably pretty fair, Luke.

895
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: Isn't Izzy the same age John Jones was at light

896
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: heavyweight when the others started catching up with him a

897
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: bit when you could have scored it for Maheta or

898
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 2: Don Reyes. And to be fair, Luke, you know, and

899
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: I've said this in the Maheta fight, you could you

900
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: could have scored that three to two against John, and

901
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: the criticism against John would have been, you're not offensive enough,

902
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 2: you're playing it a little too safe, You're trying to

903
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: be a little too perfect. They're catching up, they're catching

904
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 2: up to Izzy Luke. I don't think it's as much

905
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: to do to timing and physicality as maybe for Jones.

906
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: But they're catching up Luke.

907
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: So what's happening is we got we got to move

908
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: to Whitaker. But what's happening here is I think he's

909
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 1: had these winning performances like Romero, the Bloxhovich not but

910
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 1: you know a lot of these winning performances. Second victory

911
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: fight this one as well. Where you're seeing that guys

912
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: will have a little bit of success here or there,

913
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:00,919
Speaker 1: and you begin to be like, oh, that's why they're

914
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 1: having success. To me, Whittaker is the first guy to

915
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: take a lot of that and then put that together,

916
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 1: learned practices about what works and what doesn't, sometimes through

917
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: trial and error, by the way, in the case of Whittaker,

918
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: what works, what doesn't, Let's put together the best game

919
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 1: plan we can against that. To me, this is the

920
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: best one I've seen against Atasnya ever. Final question blow

921
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: which one? But in terms of other middleweights?

922
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: Final question I mean it's three to two Romero, crazy Luke,

923
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 2: because I don't think.

924
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:29,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't buy the three two Romero.

925
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: I don't see that. Sorry, all right, fair, let's let's

926
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: talk about Whitaker. This is one more question about this

927
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: point number two. It'll be in the rundown. Let's just

928
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: move to that because we more or less got everything

929
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: in point number one. Where does Robert Whittaker go from here?

930
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: Because he was calling for a third fight at the time.

931
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:43,959
Speaker 1: I didn't think much of it. Dean and White didn't

932
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: think much of it, even though I've had a you know,

933
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: a greater appreciation for what he's done BC, I don't

934
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: see a lot of people urgently calling for that. And

935
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: if is he goes to two to five, Kamaru could

936
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,720
Speaker 1: come up. If you're advising Robert Whitaker on his next step,

937
00:42:58,719 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: what do you say.

938
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: You got to stay at middleweight because he's too small

939
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: for light heavyweight? Obviously, Look, he could say, really, for

940
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: as close as these guys fought on Saturday night, the

941
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: fact that he's that much shorter and has a length

942
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: disadvantage against somebody like Izzy, who's obviously not only tall

943
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: and long, but incredibly skilled and quick to go with that.

944
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 2: That that height and reach advantage, you know, did a

945
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: lot to keep him on the outside and not able

946
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 2: to throw multiple shots at a time. So it's got

947
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 2: to stay at middleweight. But Luke, you know it's something

948
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 2: that he did mention after the fact when they did

949
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 2: ask him about what's next and could you get a

950
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: trilogy down the line. The only thing you can do

951
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 2: given his age is go back face the next top

952
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: guy at middleweight, and you know, win as many as

953
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 2: you'll have to win in a short period to get

954
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: another title shot. To your point, it may be easy

955
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: again once he once Robert, you know, if he does

956
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: it clears out everybody else in front of him, or

957
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,399
Speaker 2: it could be a completely different fighter. Is he could

958
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: very well, you know after this fight next against cannoneer,

959
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 2: if they end up doing it, could move up to

960
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 2: two a five then full time, And I think again,

961
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,319
Speaker 2: that's that might be the right move for Izzy to

962
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 2: take the time to put on the weight upperly and

963
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: do it and to sort of say, look, this is

964
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 2: chapter two of my career. I've more or less cleaned

965
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: out middleweight. Maybe I got cannon ear left and that's it.

966
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 2: But I think if you're Whittaker, Luke, you are still

967
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 2: right here below Autosannia at middleweight, and everybody else is

968
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 2: right about here, right. I mean whittakerk he had some

969
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 2: close he had some close fights in that three fight

970
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 2: win Street to get here, but he proved each time

971
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 2: he's the guy in each one. He's gonna have to

972
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 2: prove it again, Luke, but I think he will, and

973
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 2: I think that's the right mindset because he's not done

974
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: competing for the UFC middleweight title. I don't think how

975
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: the hell could you say that after this fight?

976
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree this is not Anderson Silver Rich Franklin.

977
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: Right in the rematch with rich Franklin, Anderson wiped the

978
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: floor with him, or you know, and the rematch, well,

979
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: I guess the first time was different, but in the

980
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: third fight, you know, Liddell picked up off where he

981
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: did on the second fight. Or you know, these times

982
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: you've had these dominant weight class guys and then the

983
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: challenger come up like, you know, you're my favorite to

984
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: Aldo that they were just never really that close. It

985
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: was never really there was one guy who was better

986
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: than the rest of the guys, and then one guy

987
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: ahead of that you have that dynamic. Whittaker is better

988
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: than the rest of the guys and can't beat the

989
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,520
Speaker 1: other one. But here's the difference. Rich Franklin, as I mentioned,

990
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 1: got run over. These other guys would never close. Dude,

991
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: Whittaker was real close, like really really close. I know

992
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: the scores don't reflect that per se, but the reality

993
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: reflects that. So if I was advising Robert Whittaker, I'd

994
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: be the same as you stay at middleweight, stay patient,

995
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,399
Speaker 1: stay calm. I know that's not what you want to hear,

996
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: but there is at a bare minimum another title fight

997
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: in your future in this way class, if not the

998
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: belt itself, and potentially you know who knows against who,

999
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 1: but just he.

1000
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 2: Can erect you to come at you a little bit.

1001
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: You just said the scores didn't indicate that. Yeah, they

1002
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,400
Speaker 2: did indicate how close it was.

1003
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: Two of the three judges doesn't indicate how close it was.

1004
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 2: Okay, that's one and it's a bad scorecard. The other

1005
00:45:46,760 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: two tell you this is a three to two fight,

1006
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 2: which tells you that if one of those swingers.

1007
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, that there's not the kind

1008
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: of like push based on the results afterwards, enough that

1009
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 1: the public accepts that there should be some kind of

1010
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: In that sense, the scores and then the attitude don't

1011
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: reflect the closeness.

1012
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: And I don't want to criticize it out of Sonya

1013
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: without saying the same. And I said this on CBS

1014
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 2: Sports hqu after the fight. The reason why Whitaker again

1015
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,799
Speaker 2: didn't win this and doesn't have the overwhelming argument too,

1016
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 2: is he also took that same chance that the judges

1017
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: might reward his art and craft against at Asnia when

1018
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: there was such little offense landing. So, Luke, if Whittaker

1019
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: had been busier, which bisbeing incormier, wanted him to, would

1020
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 2: you say he more than likely could have got pieced

1021
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 2: up and stopped if he was, so that was sort

1022
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,360
Speaker 2: of the best fight he could have fought.

1023
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: I just go back to it, dude. I think that

1024
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: cold start really hurt him, Like, can you really gripe

1025
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: with his performances from again? Some people might think you

1026
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 1: run one round two, it's dicey whatever, But can you

1027
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: really gripe with his performances after round three? I don't

1028
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: think you can. I really don't. I don't think you can.

1029
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: But that cold start fucked him. It really did, and

1030
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 1: if you give credit, the hot start for Izzy absolutely

1031
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: was essential coming out. I mean you could argue by

1032
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: the way BC he started a little bit too hot

1033
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: because it gave him that advantage in the first round,

1034
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:08,319
Speaker 1: but then he kind of faded down the stretch. But

1035
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: it was crucial in how the fight was defined, at

1036
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: least according to the judges, that he came out. I

1037
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 1: think we shouldn't lose sight of that. He came out

1038
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: really hot, dropped him and that might have set the

1039
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: intellectual tone or the or you. However they were perceiving

1040
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: it for the entirety of that fight, at least up

1041
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,000
Speaker 1: until the fifth anyway.

1042
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 2: So as much as I want to say is he

1043
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 2: wasn't busy enough to fill everybody's argument. Through two fights,

1044
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: he's proved he's the better fighter. There's no question about that,

1045
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 2: which is my point of saying. Had Whitaker been busier,

1046
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: I think he gets stopped. So I think he thought

1047
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 2: really the perfect fight to have an argument. But even

1048
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 2: if we say, you know, negative things about is he,

1049
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: he's the better fighter through now seven you know, nearly

1050
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: seven full rounds against one another. That's why you know

1051
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: you can't gripe about him surviving and advancing at the end.

1052
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: That's right. I mean here, this is the wake up

1053
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: call to everybody. It's like, dude, Robert Whittaker had basically

1054
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 1: seven rounds, seven times he got to come out from

1055
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:00,759
Speaker 1: the back of the corner. Obviously the first round doesn't

1056
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, count exactly that way, but seven times are

1057
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 1: you ready? Are you ready? Go? Right? He's had that

1058
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: and he couldn't get the win. And again I feel

1059
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: like Adasignya is the rightful winner from Saturday. But the

1060
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: wake up call, the lesson here is Okay, let's say,

1061
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: obviously is he won the first time totally fair, second

1062
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: time very very close, at a bare minimum very close.

1063
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: But the lesson here is a dude, look at the

1064
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: ground that Whittaker gained on him and what he had

1065
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: by the end of that fifth. The way in which

1066
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: Adasignya competes is overwhelming for some, but for the right

1067
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: kind of operator, they can read all the patterns because

1068
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,319
Speaker 1: it's kind of focused on one to two dimensions of

1069
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: the game. There aren't these other threats. I really think

1070
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: that's going to be something you're going to see people

1071
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 1: take advantage of if some of those things don't change.

1072
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: On Adasignja's end going forward.

1073
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: Uh do you think the final question? Final, final, final question?

1074
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 2: Do you think Jared Kannoneer, Sean Strickland, Paulo Costa, anybody

1075
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: else in the top ten who's hoping to get out

1076
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,399
Speaker 2: of their first another chance at at izzy Do they

1077
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: exit two seventy one more confident in their chances.

1078
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 1: I think we'll talk about Cannon ear in a second.

1079
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: I definitely feel like he likes his chances. Now, you

1080
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:12,719
Speaker 1: could say that's a delusion, you can say he's right,

1081
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:16,240
Speaker 1: But Cannon Eir is going in there to win whenever

1082
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: they fight, and I don't think there's any debate about that.

1083
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: But I also feel like, whoever these guys are, you're

1084
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: gonna all have to see Robert Whitaker eventually, and yes,

1085
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: good luck, you're gonna need it all. Right, Point number three,

1086
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: let's talk about the comin event. What ay fucking fight?

1087
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: This was in its own kind of way. Tito Ivasa

1088
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: easily gets the win of his career, knocking out Derek Lewis.

1089
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: I called it a one shot elbow on Saturday. Yes,

1090
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: there was this whole skirmish before, but it was the

1091
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,840
Speaker 1: one elbow against the fence and then he drops. I

1092
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,879
Speaker 1: realized he'd been hit before that. But okay, that's why

1093
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: I said it that way. Either way, BC doesn't matter

1094
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: in your mind, based on what you saw from Tue

1095
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,840
Speaker 1: Vassable talk about his upside and everything else in a minute,

1096
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: was that the kind of fight that told you he

1097
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: deserved a title shot?

1098
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: Wow? Wow? Not yet? But he made a massive fricking leap.

1099
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: And the only reason I say not yet, Luke is Look,

1100
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: there's there's a bottleneck here. We don't know if Francis

1101
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 2: is coming back John Jones about to make his debut.

1102
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 2: Steve wants a big fight. I mean there, you know,

1103
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 2: there's a little bit of a there's some business in

1104
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,640
Speaker 2: front of him. But look, obviously, first and foremost, dude,

1105
00:50:18,719 --> 00:50:20,680
Speaker 2: let me take that l and let me take it

1106
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 2: really hard. Look, you mentioned easily beat Derek Lo. This

1107
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 2: is nothing easy about this fight. You know what Swoey

1108
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: bos ahead.

1109
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: We I mean, I sorry if I said that. I

1110
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: didn't mean to say that. Let me correct it. Not easily.

1111
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: He actually had to work for it, but he won.

1112
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,160
Speaker 1: Let's say emphatically, I think that.

1113
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 2: He had to get up off the ground in the

1114
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,720
Speaker 2: first round multiple times. He had to eat some pretty

1115
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 2: serious shots along the cage wall, and that's when you

1116
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: saw Ty really going to fight or flight mode, and

1117
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 2: he chose to fight and stand in there. But Luke,

1118
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: why did I say I don't see a path to victory?

1119
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 2: Why did I just kind of crap on two weeks

1120
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: chances here? I underestimated his infighting, which certainly led to

1121
00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 2: the finish and his ability to force a clinch and

1122
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 2: have success there where where from distance, look, Lewis is

1123
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,919
Speaker 2: going to knock you out? And you know number two, Luke,

1124
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't that one shot, that jab that he landed

1125
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:10,839
Speaker 2: before that elbow. I think that put Lewis straight up

1126
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: on Queer Street. I think he he hurt him and

1127
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: had him ready to go. I think Lewis imploded surprisingly

1128
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 2: once again, Luke, and I had to feel bad for

1129
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 2: Derek after this. You know, this was the Houston Redemption,

1130
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: of the Houston redemption where he brought nothing to the

1131
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: table against Cyril Ghan and oh, by the way, Sherygun's great.

1132
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: So that thing ended the way it did. But once

1133
00:51:32,160 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: this stopped going Derek Lewis's way, Luke, the fight was over.

1134
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 2: To the point that I got people dming me going

1135
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 2: bro have the balls to say it on MK on Monday,

1136
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 2: Lewis quit No. I don't think he quit, No, but

1137
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 2: there was a there was an implosion that happened, and Luke,

1138
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: we only get to that implosion point like Julianna Paine

1139
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 2: against Amanda Newness. If tui Vasa is that tough and

1140
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: that opportunistic and daring to be great? Luke. Remember I

1141
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 2: was mentioned in you know MK Instagram follower Joe Burrow

1142
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 2: and how you know he's so cool under pressure and

1143
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 2: his youth coach had said he's got this sort of

1144
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 2: you know, not natural as a child, ability to navigate

1145
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 2: stress and tough situations and look, you know, the great

1146
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: ones and anything have that. I wasn't you know, I

1147
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: had no reason to believe ty Tuyvasa had that, Luke.

1148
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 2: But the only thing that was easy in the end,

1149
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 2: I guess was how cool he was through the whole process.

1150
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,279
Speaker 2: He never seemed afraid that he was stepping up in

1151
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: class so high against the greatest finisher in the sports history.

1152
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: And you know, he took took some big shots, delivered

1153
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 2: it like Hohm and I actually think his post fight

1154
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: celebration was almost muted to what I expected. There was

1155
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: part of Toui Vasa that acted like this was what

1156
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 2: was gonna happen all along, Luke, And we're not naive to,

1157
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, not realize that it's heavyweights and you got

1158
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 2: two bangers. Anything can happen. And again that's why Vegas

1159
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: was smarter than BC had toy Vasa as only like

1160
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: a plus forty underdog. But Luke, would you agree, ty

1161
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: Toyvasa has a certain poise and calmness in chaos that

1162
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: allows him to do what he did on Saray night.

1163
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any debate. I think that's one

1164
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: hundred percent true. Both of us were wrong on this one.

1165
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 1: We both thought we had I think we had a

1166
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,319
Speaker 1: pretty high, you know, assessment of Tuivasa, but we both

1167
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: thought Louis was gonna win. And so I'll take that

1168
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 1: l as well. I'll hold it tui Vasa. You know,

1169
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: it was funny people were like, oh, he won because

1170
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,880
Speaker 1: he brawled. I don't, I mean, sort of right, but

1171
00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: not really not really Like here's what I mean. BC,

1172
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: You're right about the jab. Also that elbow off the

1173
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: clinch he used in a previous fight almost identically. That's

1174
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: like a weapon he has honed, and it makes a

1175
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: lot of sense. Either they ricochet off the fence and

1176
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: you catch him with the elbow, or you hit him

1177
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 1: with the elbow and then their head has nowhere to ricochet,

1178
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:49,960
Speaker 1: and so they absorbed the full blast of it. Either way,

1179
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 1: it worked. It was phenomenal. But to your point, you know,

1180
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: he brawled a little bit. He certainly brawled a little

1181
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: bit in the first and and especially in that second round.

1182
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 1: They were swinging and bang and at times, but to me, BC,

1183
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: he was doing it a lot when he was really

1184
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: under pressure and he was just trying to get Derek

1185
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: Lewis off of him or along the fence line, and

1186
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,800
Speaker 1: he would have these chaotic moments. But I would point

1187
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: to you that he was a little bit restrained by it.

1188
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,920
Speaker 1: And in the end what won him that was not

1189
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,920
Speaker 1: the thrown at range all crazy like. It was, to

1190
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 1: your point, the infighting, wrapping up, getting control of the

1191
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 1: situation and then exerting known forms of influence of offense

1192
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: that he had done previously, and then bringing it back

1193
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: here and it worked. Now, it also should be known

1194
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: when he was getting dude, how he took those shots

1195
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: from Lewis when he was getting up off the canvas

1196
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 1: I think in the first round, and Lewis was just

1197
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: hammering him. You know, he did lean on his chin

1198
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: there just to save him. There was nothing tactical about

1199
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: except to get up. But in general, what I think

1200
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: you saw was a guy who can still brawl, who

1201
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: still will brawl. But BC, this guy's got more layers

1202
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 1: to him. He's got some gears that he can hit.

1203
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,000
Speaker 1: And at twenty nine years old, I don't think he's

1204
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: ready for a title shot, but I think he is

1205
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: absolutely top four, top five at bare minimum in that

1206
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: division has a lot of room for growth.

1207
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 2: Well, five fights in a row winning streak, and then

1208
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:11,800
Speaker 2: you know you put somebody Derek Lewis's class. We have

1209
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 2: to readjust the conversation. The UFC has not updated their

1210
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 2: rankings as of now on Monday morning, Luke, They still

1211
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 2: have him at number eleven. Where do you think he

1212
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 2: belongs now in the top ten after a win like

1213
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: this man?

1214
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,879
Speaker 1: So what Lewis was sitting at three, I'm not sure

1215
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: who's sitting at one and two. I guess Gone and

1216
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,799
Speaker 1: Miochich are probably somewhere in there right, so he'd be

1217
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 1: right below that, and then Blades. The thing is, you know,

1218
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: the one win over Derek is a is a win

1219
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 1: that Derek, excuse me, that Curtis Blades could not get,

1220
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: and so for that reason you could potentially put him

1221
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: right at three. They could sub out the spot. I

1222
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: guess I'm just sort of pointing out who I think

1223
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 1: his company is, whether or not it's the actual numerical

1224
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: designation giving to him. Now, I still think BC a

1225
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: guy like Curtis Blades represents an interesting challenge one Derek

1226
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 1: Lewis was able to pass, but that doesn't mean that

1227
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: tied to e Vasa necessarily is able to pass it.

1228
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: And we would both agree gon And and Ghanu are

1229
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: the class of the de We'll see what happens with

1230
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,319
Speaker 1: Steve A. Miocicch and John jones On. But he is

1231
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,320
Speaker 1: he has put himself among his peers.

1232
00:56:06,719 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 2: Let me quickly tell you what's going on in this

1233
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: top ten, okay, Luke, because number five right now, Alexander

1234
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,879
Speaker 2: Volkov is going to be fighting Tom Aspinall who's number ten,

1235
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 2: on March nineteenth, so they're busy. Curtis Blades is going

1236
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 2: to be fighting Chris Dakas on March twenty six. Then

1237
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 2: they are both in the top ten, they are busy.

1238
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,360
Speaker 2: Do you match and he may have a fight, Rosenstrouk

1239
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: may have a fight schedule and I just don't know it,

1240
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 2: But do you match Tuivaso with Jaya Zeno Rosenstruk so

1241
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 2: you can allow John Jones and steep A to fight

1242
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 2: for the interim title, which feels it feels like it's coming, Luke,

1243
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 2: because you know, Dana did say he met with Francis again.

1244
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: He did say Francis is going to be out a

1245
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,919
Speaker 2: while and given a torn MCL among other things around

1246
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 2: his knee. That that makes sense whether Francis fights again

1247
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:54,280
Speaker 2: in the UFC or not. Dude, given the star power

1248
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 2: Stepe and John even BC will tell you go ahead

1249
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,359
Speaker 2: and put an interim title on that make it even

1250
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 2: more special. Sneep Aa versus John for the IC belt,

1251
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: Luke is massive, Okay, it's an event. It matters. It's

1252
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: John's debut. So is the next best gift for Tuivasa

1253
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 2: a step down against somebody like Rosenstruke or just keep

1254
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 2: him there in the chair in the prime position and

1255
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 2: save him for the second half of the year against

1256
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 2: a really big name.

1257
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: So he's got about against Marching Tybora at UFC two

1258
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: seventy three. That's Volkanowski versus the koreansomb Okay, if he

1259
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: wins that, I like that fight. I don't know if

1260
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: that works out for the timeline. But to your point,

1261
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: either way, does it make sense depending on how you

1262
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: match make twoy? Does it make sense to give John

1263
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: and steep In an international excuse me, an interim title,

1264
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: especially as you noted, Francis has got some knee issues

1265
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 1: to work out. Could be well, yeah, I don't really

1266
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: mind that. I don't think that's like the very best

1267
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: use of interim belts, but it's hardly the worst, So

1268
00:57:51,560 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: why not, right.

1269
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: I think tie fights whoever looks great winning those three

1270
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 2: matchups we talked about, Luke, it could be volkof for

1271
00:57:58,360 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 2: all we know. You know, it could be whoever really

1272
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 2: comes out of there with a strong win. You're gonna

1273
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 2: see tie two of us on that level moving forward,

1274
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: And you know what, five wins and knocking out Derek

1275
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 2: Lewis in his hometown, it's fricking justified, Luke.

1276
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 1: By the way, we should note something, Derek Lewis scored

1277
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,919
Speaker 1: two of three takedowns in the first round. How about

1278
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: Derek Lewis taking a page out of old Francis and

1279
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,520
Speaker 1: Ghan Who's book and wrestling a little bit adding some gears.

1280
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: This is what I mean, going back to out of

1281
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: Signy conversation, Dude, Derek Lewis, if he could reasonably get

1282
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: the fight to the ground if he needed to or something.

1283
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: His ground and I mean his control in the ground's

1284
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,440
Speaker 1: not great, but his ground and pound is fucking ferocious.

1285
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: It adds another layer of depth and complexity and difficulty

1286
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: to his game. I really feel like it was a

1287
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:42,120
Speaker 1: nice little thing he did there.

1288
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 2: It's a growing heavyweight trend, and I thought he did

1289
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 2: it well. And he's obviously so big that you know

1290
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: when he gets on it. If Derek gets on top

1291
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 2: of you and he can land that Lesnar style ground

1292
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 2: and pound, look, that's a you know, that's the same

1293
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 2: thing I said. If Francis could develop that consistently, we

1294
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: could all be in trouble, all of us. We could

1295
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: all end up getting killed by Francis. But let me

1296
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 2: asko quickly. Is John Jones gonna wrestle at heavyweight? Lucas

1297
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 2: are gonna all be quick?

1298
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: Defensive boxing I think he's gonna wrestle in the clinch

1299
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: at heavyweight. I think he's gonna do a lot of that,

1300
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: a lot of throwing guys around, trips, that sort of thing.

1301
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: By the way, targeting by Derek Lewis, he targeted almost

1302
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 1: ninety percent to the head. Tuivasa just fifty percent to

1303
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: the head, thirty seven percent to the body. We don't

1304
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: talk about it. Fair amount of body work at least

1305
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: in terms of targeting by ty Tyvasa just not dude,

1306
00:59:26,880 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say he did brawl a little bit,

1307
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: but he mixed in a lot of other things that

1308
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: clearly showed he was trying to think through problems. That's

1309
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. And when you're adding all the

1310
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: power and everything else you can do, it's a formidable competitor.

1311
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:40,400
Speaker 1: You got to go there.

1312
00:59:40,440 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: After the fight in the interview, Toyvasa at the press

1313
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 2: conference wasn't talking like oh shit, man, I'm you know,

1314
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 2: one went away from a title shot. He was framing

1315
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:52,480
Speaker 2: the narrative more around. Derek Lewis brought something to this

1316
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: division as like that guy, right, the knockout guy. I

1317
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 2: think this was a changing in the guard in that regard.

1318
00:59:58,120 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 2: Do you do you see that as being true?

1319
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 1: Luke, We'll see, dude, Because here's the thing, Lewis. If

1320
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: you look at overall ability, should Lewis be a guy

1321
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: who's beaten Curtis Blades? And the answer is with the

1322
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,120
Speaker 1: way in which he sat up the uppercut was beautiful?

1323
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,120
Speaker 1: Like yes, But what I mean is you would imagine

1324
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 1: that on paper, a guy like Curtis Blade should win

1325
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 1: more often than a guy like Derek Luiz, or rather

1326
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: a win against a guy like Derek Lewis more often,

1327
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: although we realize that that you know on paper isn't

1328
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,920
Speaker 1: always the way that things translate. Ti ty Vasa has

1329
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: to pass that test, like beating Derek Lewis is insanely difficult,

1330
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,200
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean the same thing. Even if you

1331
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,959
Speaker 1: consider it to be a higher quality win, it's still

1332
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 1: a very very different challenge than a what Volkov will bring.

1333
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: That's gonna be another interesting fight. And then all if

1334
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: they could make it, although Aspinall might beat him, Aspinall

1335
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 1: is another guy to pay attention to. But what I'm

1336
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:48,959
Speaker 1: trying to make is about Lewis. Lewis passed that test,

1337
01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: but that has no bearing on whether Touy Vasa camp

1338
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: because it requires a set of skills that we just

1339
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: don't know if Twoey has those particular one. So I

1340
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: actually feel like Curtis Bladees is a great test for Gone,

1341
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: for Taichouvasa, for a lot of guys in that division.

1342
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, all right, So let's talk about the other

1343
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,720
Speaker 1: fight on this car BC, because this was like, you know,

1344
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 1: people were shitting on this car, but it had some

1345
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 1: interesting moments, certainly the the I would call it the

1346
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: feature about not the man, not the ko man, but

1347
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: the future. About point number four, how about the fucking

1348
01:01:16,720 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: elbows of Jared cannon Near. Good lord, he's your number

1349
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 1: one contender with a bullet. Afterwards, Dana White was like, yeah,

1350
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 1: I'm not saying no to that guy. How could you,

1351
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 1: b c How does he do? Before we talk about

1352
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: the fight itself, you got you kind of hinted this

1353
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: a little bit. Give me the best case scenario for Cannonear.

1354
01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:37,720
Speaker 1: What I mean is not winning or losing. What can

1355
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: he do to the champion based on what you've seen

1356
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: both on Saturday and then previous fights.

1357
01:01:43,520 --> 01:01:46,080
Speaker 2: Well, look, you know, cannon Near is the ultimate puncher's

1358
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: chance in this division. But he's more than that, Luke.

1359
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 2: But he's got a fight and I look, I gave

1360
01:01:51,360 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 2: him credit in the preview this fight. I said, I

1361
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 2: think he's gonna knock out Runson and I think that

1362
01:01:55,640 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: you know, he showed you against Kelvin Gastolom that he

1363
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 2: really understood what he needed to learn from the lost

1364
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 2: to Robert Whittaker, where he proved that he's at that level.

1365
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:06,800
Speaker 2: He hurt Whittaker in the final minute. But look, you

1366
01:02:06,840 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: know in that fight, outside of the leg strikes cannon,

1367
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 2: there wasn't a huge threat in terms of consistent offense.

1368
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 2: He's got to find a way to be more consistent,

1369
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:17,440
Speaker 2: either with a jab or something. But Luke, are you

1370
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: telling me? Could he attempt to model something that Whittaker

1371
01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:25,040
Speaker 2: did and at the very least slowing down the output

1372
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: in the pace of the fight and establishing him as

1373
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,600
Speaker 2: the scary, heavier counterpuncher. Oh hell yeah, he can do that. Hey,

1374
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,400
Speaker 2: if I'm cannoneer, I want to make in Ado Sonia

1375
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:37,960
Speaker 2: come forward and try to chip away at my legs

1376
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: or try to jab me and let me counter him,

1377
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: let me go after his legs from a counter defensive position.

1378
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: This could be an interesting fight. And I heard y'all

1379
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 2: gonna call out Brandon Wise the CBS Sports my editor

1380
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 2: who said, I you know this fight does nothing for him?

1381
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 2: What are you freaking kidding me? Look, if is he

1382
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:58,520
Speaker 2: staying at the middleweight, I love me this cannon Air fight.

1383
01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: Not that I'm gonna overw make this grand argument of

1384
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: how Cannonir is gonna upset him, But Luke, at thirty seven,

1385
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 2: he's maximized his abilities. He's a scariest health finisher, but

1386
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,439
Speaker 2: he's got patience, he's got poised, he's growing in technique.

1387
01:03:13,560 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 2: He's an insanely sick shape and I really think he

1388
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,160
Speaker 2: recovered nicely from getting so handled on the ground. I mean,

1389
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: you know, the end of that first round, he's almost

1390
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 2: in tap out mode, and for him to make that

1391
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,919
Speaker 2: adjustment and bounce back, Dude, Cannonir is a scary dude,

1392
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 2: and you saw that at the end against Whittaker, and

1393
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: it goes beyond just his punching power. This could be

1394
01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 2: a very tense title fight against Izzy because the same

1395
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:42,360
Speaker 2: limitations that we all knew that Costa inventorI had that

1396
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: if Izzy could stay out of trouble, he could he

1397
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 2: could handle himself with I don't know if those same

1398
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 2: limitations are in place with Cannonir Luke.

1399
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 1: I don't Here's the thing about Whittaker. Whittaker had a

1400
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: hard time landing like a really hard shot on Izzy.

1401
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:57,360
Speaker 1: If you think he won, you think because he had

1402
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 1: this accumulation of like definitely good shots, but not like

1403
01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: that wham shot that really, you know, send someone into

1404
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 1: a parallel situation in the fight. I don't know if

1405
01:04:06,200 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: Cannoneer is that guy be see, but the thing I

1406
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:10,240
Speaker 1: took from the second fight was one dude, he is

1407
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:15,160
Speaker 1: very perseveran. This guy is mentally bulletproof. You cannot discourage him.

1408
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: We go back to the Whittaker fight with cannon Ear,

1409
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:19,080
Speaker 1: and he was getting his ass kicked. He got dropped

1410
01:04:19,080 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: in the third round, and then rallied his best portion

1411
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,800
Speaker 1: of the offense after that fact. I mean, that's who

1412
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 1: Cannoneer is when he needs to be. I do wonder,

1413
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: even with all of these best practices, this blueprint that

1414
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: Whittaker laid, can a guy like cannon Ear really follow

1415
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 1: that to a t to get the kind of victory

1416
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: he needs. I certainly would be skeptical. I would favor

1417
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: Atisania to win. But two things I would say, One,

1418
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: you would agree with this. The guy earned it. I mean,

1419
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 1: give him his title shot. Whether you think he's going

1420
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 1: to win or not is irrelevant. He earned it. Give

1421
01:04:46,440 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: it to him. And also, you have no idea what's

1422
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 1: going to happen and fights. One punch from Whittaker could

1423
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: change everything. Is the from Cannoneer to echo you.

1424
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 2: No, Cannoneer is not the fighter to take Whittaker's game

1425
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: plan and mirror outside of just saying, look, I'm not

1426
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 2: here to win rounds against out of Sonya. So if

1427
01:05:03,120 --> 01:05:05,080
Speaker 2: I have to slow down the pace of this fight

1428
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,440
Speaker 2: to keep myself dangerous as a CounterPunch, heer to you know,

1429
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: as a potential knockout, That's what I gotta do. I

1430
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 2: think there's avenues where he can bring some of that

1431
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: strength back to him. But Luke, it's all or nothing

1432
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 2: still for Cannoneir in terms of knockout or nothing, you know.

1433
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 2: I mean, he's gonna have to hurt out of Sonya

1434
01:05:20,760 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: and change this fight and lure him into a real fight.

1435
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: It's gonna be fun watching it because this had this

1436
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 2: win for Cannoneer not only showcases finishing ability, but like

1437
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: you mentioned, showcase that toughness, Luke, which I think at

1438
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 2: this point you really got to shout out those power.

1439
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: Crystals, Luke. You do have to shout out of the

1440
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 1: power crystals. One thing I want to mention about Cannoneir

1441
01:05:39,960 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 1: that I think needs to get noted was when you

1442
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: noticed some of the ways in which he was pursuing

1443
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 1: certain positions, you could tell he had drilled that thing

1444
01:05:47,720 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: eight million times. His hands and feet and body were

1445
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,479
Speaker 1: exactly the place that needed to be. Now that doesn't

1446
01:05:54,520 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 1: mean he executed every part of the offense to perfection.

1447
01:05:57,600 --> 01:05:59,240
Speaker 1: What I mean to say is, don't lose sight of

1448
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: the fact that A there's a lot of tape on

1449
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,400
Speaker 1: Izzy on how to beat him, whether Whittaker can pull

1450
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: off excuse me, whether Cannonier could pull up a Whittaker

1451
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: has done. I am admittedly skeptical, but he comes from

1452
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 1: a great camp. He is well studied, he is well prepped,

1453
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 1: he is physical for that weight class, He has a

1454
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:16,320
Speaker 1: lot of different gears to go to, and he is

1455
01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 1: extremely filled with self belief. While I think is he

1456
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: is the more talented of the two. A he earned it,

1457
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: and B it would be foolish to look sideways on

1458
01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: that also BC for Brunson, he seemed to indicate he

1459
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,560
Speaker 1: had one more left for him on Twitter afterwards, which

1460
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, folks, forget. This is a guy who's been

1461
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: doing good work in MMA since Strikeforce. He's been in

1462
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 1: this a long time. He made the best of it, Whittaker,

1463
01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 1: excuse me. Cannoneer came out on top. But I think

1464
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,520
Speaker 1: Brunson's had a very commendable end to this. It's not

1465
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: over yet, but this last chapter has been a really

1466
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: good one for him.

1467
01:06:49,320 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 3: Saturday Night, notwithstanding, the reinvention was fun to watch, and

1468
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 3: I like that he leans so hard into his strength

1469
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 3: to oubt wrestle guys, and you even like in this fight,

1470
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,160
Speaker 3: which was kind of like his super Bowl, he gave

1471
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: himself the best chance to win in the opening round.

1472
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,040
Speaker 2: I mean, he was aggressive and he took Cannoneer down

1473
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 2: and he had him in a choke. I mean, you know,

1474
01:07:05,520 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 2: he landed big shots. He imploded quick when the tables

1475
01:07:08,920 --> 01:07:11,560
Speaker 2: turned Luke, but yeah, shut out. I mean, look, no

1476
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 2: one saw this coming. He was becoming. He was becoming

1477
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: the Michael Johnson of Middleway, right.

1478
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: A little more than that, a little more than that

1479
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 1: and also Michael Johnson was, oh, he was.

1480
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 2: Becoming that where you're like, you're too talented to lose

1481
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 2: more often than you don't when you step up. But

1482
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 2: you know he was on that road and he turned

1483
01:07:31,640 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 2: off that road and made a final run. So you know,

1484
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,200
Speaker 2: nothing but respect to blond Brunson, who's now blood brunts

1485
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 2: and Luke after that backhand shot that cannon near hit

1486
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 2: him with. And how about the dude, how freaking nasty

1487
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 2: were those elbows on the ground? It was almost it

1488
01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 2: was almost Dan Hendo on Hector Lombard at one ninety nine. Dude,

1489
01:07:50,440 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 2: just alright, good?

1490
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: How about how about referee Kerry Hatley putting his arm

1491
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: in after First of all, there shouldn't have been a

1492
01:07:57,840 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 1: second elbow, but he puts his arm in after the

1493
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 1: second elbow, but doesn't actually like physically stop canoneir? So

1494
01:08:04,280 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: cannon air just drills one past and one more time.

1495
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, you ever seen that jiff of

1496
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: that somewhere in Europe? The guy just like touching people's

1497
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 1: sides and then they go past and he's the security.

1498
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: I was like, carry Hatley, you got to get in

1499
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: there a little bit more, save poor Derek Bryce, who

1500
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 1: those were fucking hammer of thor he was laying down

1501
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 1: there and then he took at a bare minimum one

1502
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: too many. I would actually argue too too many, but okay,

1503
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. Last, but not least, on this.

1504
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 2: Our producer Gaffney is offering that Brunson is the favor

1505
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:34,120
Speaker 2: of middleweight get no get out.

1506
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: No favor was hugely celebrated before Aldo came around, and

1507
01:08:38,360 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: was even after that a huge fan favorite. I think

1508
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 1: people begin to realize that Brunson was good, but no,

1509
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,760
Speaker 1: that's not a very good some respect, all right, Last,

1510
01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,640
Speaker 1: but not least, b see any other storyline from the

1511
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 1: fight night point number five, anything else from UFC two

1512
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: seventy one worth mentioning.

1513
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: Well before we mentioned this, Luke, do you wanna do

1514
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 2: you want to tease? Don't you have a great morning combat?

1515
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 2: Extra credit coming out to Yes.

1516
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:02,559
Speaker 1: We'll have extra credit. We're gonna focus on Moi Kano.

1517
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:04,280
Speaker 1: We'll focus a little bit more than this, But I'm

1518
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,640
Speaker 1: gonna put some put some respect on Bobby Green and

1519
01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 1: Hanat's ol Moikano because I thought they looked great on Saturday.

1520
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 2: Aside from those consecutive strong victories, at lightweight by Micano

1521
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,720
Speaker 2: and Green, which put both into you know, top ten

1522
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,280
Speaker 2: contention in a lot of ways, Uh Luke, That Cassey

1523
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,719
Speaker 2: O'Neil Roxham Matafari fight had the potential to be very interesting,

1524
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:26,920
Speaker 2: not just Casey O'Neil's upward bound potential as as a

1525
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,439
Speaker 2: title contender in this division at age twenty four, but

1526
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 2: the whole story about Madafari's great career and all this,

1527
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 2: Luke Roxham. Anafari went out on her own terms as

1528
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: ballsy as you possibly could, and even though I don't

1529
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: usually get down with her whole anime you know character

1530
01:09:46,320 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 2: crossover thing where she models her performance after certain ones

1531
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,880
Speaker 2: and dresses like them and cosplay at the way in

1532
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: the way that she broke down whichever character she was

1533
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: modeling herself after for this fight, which was all about

1534
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 2: putting everything she had out there for the benefit of

1535
01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 2: the next generation that you could not have had a

1536
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 2: more like blood and guts, never say die. This is

1537
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 2: my final fight. It's no gimme fight against some old lady.

1538
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: It's no This is against somebody who might have next,

1539
01:10:18,360 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna give every single ounce of forward motion

1540
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 2: effort and take anything that I have in return, Luke,

1541
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 2: the final story is what we kind of thought it

1542
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:32,559
Speaker 2: would be coming in about. Okay, Casey O'Neill passed a

1543
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: tough test. I never expected this three round test to

1544
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: be this tough, and I don't think Casey did. Who

1545
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: got her nose busted open? Who really? If Casey O'Neill

1546
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 2: doesn't have the backbone to contend with the top ten

1547
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,559
Speaker 2: in this division, she would have faltered in this fight,

1548
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:50,920
Speaker 2: and maybe the same way Macy Barber did on the ground.

1549
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 1: I agree, Actually, I totally agree. Also, it didn't get mentioned,

1550
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: and I think folks just assumed that they would. But

1551
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,800
Speaker 1: sometimes an also are great about this. They were good

1552
01:11:00,840 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 1: this time. I'm glad they gave apropos of the ending.

1553
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: I'm glad they gave Roxanne a chance to speak to

1554
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,879
Speaker 1: the broadcast. That was not an automatic thing I was expecting,

1555
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 1: and they did. I was really really happy to see that.

1556
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:13,920
Speaker 1: So shouts to the UC producers.

1557
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:15,519
Speaker 2: And you're glad Forrest Griffin didn't ruin it.

1558
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: Right, Oh, like grabbing it like he did before and

1559
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,000
Speaker 1: then running out or whatever.

1560
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, ruined Tito's retirement? Is that? Who he ruined?

1561
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 1: Something? I forget I forget who it was. I'll just

1562
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: put out we'll talk about this more in an extra credit.

1563
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: But how about dude, andre Orlovsky getting it done again?

1564
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: Wasn't the most thrilling, wasn't the most exciting, and it

1565
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: hasn't been. But this is a guy, dude, understand Arlovsky

1566
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: went winless in Strike Force. I think all by way

1567
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: of stoppage, if I'm not mistaken, like, this is a

1568
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: guy who's had numerous losing streaks in his in his career.

1569
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 1: To the Kyle, we were like, how do you ever

1570
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: recover from this? And he fucking did bc I actually

1571
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: and he gave me permission to read this on the air.

1572
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:55,000
Speaker 2: Well.

1573
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,680
Speaker 1: I was talking to him that this is from Malosky,

1574
01:11:57,720 --> 01:11:59,840
Speaker 1: it's from Dean Thomas. I was texting with Dean Thomas

1575
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,559
Speaker 1: or the weekend, just to get his perspective on some things,

1576
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: because Dean's smart as shit, and he by the way,

1577
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:06,839
Speaker 1: he's no holds bar man. He tells you his opinion.

1578
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: We were talking about guys who changed their stance. We

1579
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 1: were talking about Whittaker leaning to the right and attasign

1580
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: are throwing that high kick to get him to go

1581
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 1: upright because as Whittaker was leaning. That's when the jab

1582
01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: comes behind it right. So that was part of this

1583
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,439
Speaker 1: cat and mouse game that they were playing. But we

1584
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:21,760
Speaker 1: were talking about a lot of guys who switched stances

1585
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: and not just like left to right, be see, but

1586
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean like bring their hands a little bit higher,

1587
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: tuck their elbows in, you know, widen their feet a

1588
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: little bit. These subtle changes that carry dramatic importance. And

1589
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: I was asking him, like, how often do you see

1590
01:12:33,960 --> 01:12:35,960
Speaker 1: fighters do it? Man, because our Lotski's using this like

1591
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:39,519
Speaker 1: to great effect. And this is what he said. I

1592
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,679
Speaker 1: don't think he said I could quote him, so Dean,

1593
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 1: don't get mad, He goes, I don't think most fighters

1594
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: even think about it. They're Neanderthals. Here's a really good

1595
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 1: case of a stance adjustment. Robbie Lawler. As he's gotten older,

1596
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: his stance has reflected as such, he holds his hands

1597
01:12:52,920 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 1: in position to defend punches better without overreacting to them.

1598
01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,519
Speaker 1: This is why he's able to absorb five hundred shots

1599
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: from Colby, but because bobby stance whole allows him to

1600
01:13:01,880 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 1: deflect role and misdirect a majority of power shots. However,

1601
01:13:05,680 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: Robbie was always a physical fighter relying on athleticism, and

1602
01:13:08,200 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: his offense can't keep up with the younger, better athletes,

1603
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: which is why he's losing. But but he points out,

1604
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: like the better guys realize it's not just what you throw,

1605
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,679
Speaker 1: it's how you collect yourself and where you start before

1606
01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: every piece of offense comes off of you. Arlovsky is

1607
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 1: one of these guys who is smart enough to make

1608
01:13:24,160 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: that change. I give the guy a ton of credit, man,

1609
01:13:26,040 --> 01:13:26,799
Speaker 1: a ton of credit.

1610
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:29,880
Speaker 2: He's forty three and he's won five of six Luke.

1611
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 2: I mean this is I know he's he's winning gatekeeper

1612
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:37,559
Speaker 2: ish fights, but that's his job in his role, and

1613
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 2: he keeps getting better. I mean it's wild. And look,

1614
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna shout out more in extra credit,

1615
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 2: so I'm not gonna go hard in Roulovsky, but to

1616
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 2: close them out of furry like, do you know what

1617
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,640
Speaker 2: was most inspirational about that? Not that she took so

1618
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:54,000
Speaker 2: much punishment, was willing to She has maxed out her

1619
01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 2: body and mind throughout the entirety of her professional career.

1620
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think he can be overstated how

1621
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: hard it is to come back from seven consecutive losses

1622
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 2: in your prime and not quit this sport even until

1623
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,559
Speaker 2: her final days, pushing forty as she was her own

1624
01:14:08,680 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 2: level of gatekeeper in the one hundred and twenty five

1625
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 2: pound weight class. She completely max herself out, Luke, that

1626
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 2: should be the goal of all of us in our

1627
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 2: in our life and our stated passion and our profession,

1628
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, our in the way we work out, and

1629
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 2: it's not always easy, and rarely any of us get there.

1630
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:31,040
Speaker 2: But you know, I got a lot of goals in

1631
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:34,160
Speaker 2: my own career, Luke, and keep pushing more and to

1632
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 2: see a performance like this, you know, I've never been

1633
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,679
Speaker 2: a Roxy superfan, but I got respect for the lady

1634
01:14:39,720 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 2: because that was I want to go out the same.

1635
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 1: Way, Luke, bro And she was never gonna win a

1636
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: major titles in all likelihood, probably not gonna win a

1637
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,200
Speaker 1: major title, and she was never going to be in

1638
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:53,760
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame for you know, incredible runs. But

1639
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,000
Speaker 1: what she could do was give every ounce of herself

1640
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,719
Speaker 1: as you indicated, to this pursuit. And you can't find

1641
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: one one person who argues she gave anything less. Dude,

1642
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,840
Speaker 1: You're right, that's all. You don't have to give that much.

1643
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 1: You can give whatever you want, but when someone gives

1644
01:15:08,120 --> 01:15:11,200
Speaker 1: that much, when they sacrifice that much on the altar

1645
01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: of athletic greatness, and you could say, clearly she does

1646
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: not have all the athletic gifts in the world. For

1647
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,680
Speaker 1: her to have the career that she did is unbelievable,

1648
01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:20,120
Speaker 1: and I take my hat off to her in the

1649
01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: most commendable of ways.

1650
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 2: Look, do we have time to mention that Kyler Phillips

1651
01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:26,439
Speaker 2: that bantamwaighte is coming, He's coming.

1652
01:15:26,360 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: Extra credit, extra credit, don't take it from me, extra.

1653
01:15:29,680 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 2: You know, yes. And I'm gonna have to guess that

1654
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 2: light heavyweight Carlos Alberg, he's probably got some hot fire dms, Luke,

1655
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 2: I mean, just his dms.

1656
01:15:38,720 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: His DMS must be the exact opposite of ours. No

1657
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: one is offering him Landjaeger. They're offering him the other

1658
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:46,200
Speaker 1: kind of land Jeger.

1659
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 2: Look, I'm not even attracted to men, and this guy is.

1660
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 2: This guy's hot, Luke, right, I know.

1661
01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 1: He's he's he's he's annoyingly handsome. I'm like, we fucking stop, please.

1662
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:58,160
Speaker 2: Stop, would you all the women? Would you stop with that?

1663
01:15:58,280 --> 01:16:00,880
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, all right, hey, fun ass card,

1664
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean, look the bangers on this early prelims on

1665
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 2: the Douglas Silva Deondred against this Kazakh Warriors Sergei Morosa. Look,

1666
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,639
Speaker 2: that was like in a freaking action movie. That fight,

1667
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:16,439
Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

1668
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 1: It was great? And how there was a couple of

1669
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: times where guys were getting served early and then just

1670
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 1: rallied and put it on their opponents. The Douglas uh

1671
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,080
Speaker 1: the Silver Day or Douglas Slva Deeon Rodge was one

1672
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: of the more prominent ones, but that wasn't the only one.

1673
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:30,800
Speaker 1: And again we'll talk about Moykano and everything else.

1674
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 2: But am I crazy? Is this a fight? A legitimate

1675
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 2: top three Fight of the Year contender, A legitimate I

1676
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 2: know it's early, but like that fight was.

1677
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:42,400
Speaker 1: It's hard to beat five rounders, but for a for

1678
01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: a three round scheduled bout, it's it's it's up there.

1679
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 2: It's I mean, the high, the ebbs and flows of

1680
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 2: like ridiculously conflicting, you know, moments of drama with just

1681
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,599
Speaker 2: uh incredible. What a that guy's like? Minnie Belfort. Look,

1682
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 2: I mean I'd love to see his bloodstream, But what

1683
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,640
Speaker 2: a tough pos this guy is. I mean, he just

1684
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:03,479
Speaker 2: kept bringing it.

1685
01:17:03,560 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: He's fucking jacked all right, But that's it for our

1686
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: top five b C. It is time no longer for

1687
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 1: you and us to ask each other questions. It's time

1688
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: for the dms from donks. And these dms are not

1689
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 1: going to be filled with wonderful things to look at,

1690
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: just questions from idiots. Okay, not idiots. I'm just being

1691
01:17:22,760 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: I'm being mean. Will you play the graphic? Please? There

1692
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:25,360
Speaker 1: you go, thank you.

1693
01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 2: It's got Gaff under fire today, under fire gas.

1694
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: I know we're slandering him, all right, I don't even know.

1695
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 1: Here we go, I do Okay? From at Nosebleed seating

1696
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 1: between Rob and Izzy, Oosman and Colby, Max and Volk,

1697
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:43,280
Speaker 1: Figuredo and Moreno, Why are so many divisions becoming two

1698
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 1: man shows? What a great question, BC?

1699
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 2: Why well it look it's it's it's great when you

1700
01:17:49,439 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 2: can get two dance partners of the same more or

1701
01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:54,760
Speaker 2: less elite level. And obviously if you can make a

1702
01:17:54,880 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 2: real rivalry. Figuredo and Moreno are in the midst of

1703
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 2: a real rivalry, amazing fights back and forth, dramatic, you know,

1704
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: ways of victory, the title changing hands. You know, it's unfortunate.

1705
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,400
Speaker 2: Luke Demitrius Johnson never got his rival on this level.

1706
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 2: He was too good. He was too good, he was

1707
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: too much. Would you can't argue it because they split fights,

1708
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,599
Speaker 2: But the fact that we never got that trilogy, I mean, look,

1709
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 2: I get that.

1710
01:18:21,160 --> 01:18:22,559
Speaker 1: They they said, you're right, if they had had a

1711
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 1: trilogy and they had kind of gone back and forth

1712
01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:26,000
Speaker 1: or whatever, it would be a little bit closer.

1713
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 2: And the problem is the real fans know that DJ

1714
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 2: deserved that decision and he was heavily injured in that fight.

1715
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: No disrespect to to Hudo, but Luke, you know it's

1716
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 2: we're lucky right now. That's why we're lucky that we

1717
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,720
Speaker 2: have you know, at bantamweightton lightweight, we don't have two

1718
01:18:38,760 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 2: man shows. We got like six or seven man shows.

1719
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? This is great, dude.

1720
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,080
Speaker 1: Then they like when they have these pairs these Mozart

1721
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: and Saliary Salari, I can't pronounce.

1722
01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:50,400
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know that ship, Luke at all.

1723
01:18:50,439 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: I do know what I'm saying is, whenever you have

1724
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: these pairs like this, why do you have the pairs?

1725
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:56,439
Speaker 1: Why do you have your Because dude, Rich Franklin was

1726
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,880
Speaker 1: not Whitaker was very very close out of Sonia, whether

1727
01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 1: you thought he won or not, but we can all

1728
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,360
Speaker 1: he was very very close. Fucking Rich Franklin was not

1729
01:19:03,400 --> 01:19:05,680
Speaker 1: that close. Now. He eventually lost some fights at Middleway too,

1730
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 1: but he was still like the number two guy for

1731
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:11,120
Speaker 1: a while. You see this one two pairing a lot.

1732
01:19:11,320 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't quite have a good explanation

1733
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 1: for it, but it does seem to sort itself that way.

1734
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,400
Speaker 2: Often it's great and the dance partners, whether you're better

1735
01:19:19,479 --> 01:19:21,160
Speaker 2: than them in the long run. And look, you know,

1736
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,479
Speaker 2: Volkanovsky's got two wins over Max right now, so you

1737
01:19:23,479 --> 01:19:25,400
Speaker 2: know he's prove you know, is he's got two wins

1738
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,759
Speaker 2: over Whiger, Whether you're better than them in the long run,

1739
01:19:28,200 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 2: you know, by a margin or not. You need that

1740
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 2: other person to raise your game, to drive you, Luke.

1741
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 2: It's why the success you've hit in your career after

1742
01:19:36,040 --> 01:19:38,439
Speaker 2: meeting me, Luke, you know it's it's certainly not because

1743
01:19:38,479 --> 01:19:40,600
Speaker 2: of me, Luke, but it's arguably.

1744
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: Had more success before. But okay, let's go to number

1745
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: two dyl At Dylan magnuson one. This is the question

1746
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 1: I got a lot on Saturday night. Do you see

1747
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:55,760
Speaker 1: Hamzat Hamsa Tremaiah giving Attasania a problem, do you.

1748
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 2: You know, I see him given usman potentially a problem.

1749
01:19:57,200 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 2: But we all know that that CHAMAIAV can can can

1750
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:04,639
Speaker 2: fight across two divisions, uh, style wise, Yeah, Luke, he's

1751
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 2: got the if he is if he is all that

1752
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 2: and then some right you know, tall, pale and handsome

1753
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 2: like like he's looking to be. Yeah, yeah, he's he's

1754
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 2: he could be a problem. I mean, look, you know,

1755
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:16,640
Speaker 2: we got to see what he can do at the

1756
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 2: at the very elite level of the weltroy Division. We

1757
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 2: gott to see him stay healthy and consistently appear in

1758
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 2: the octagon regularly, of course, But yeah, Luke, that style,

1759
01:20:24,479 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 2: that hunger, that nastiness, you dude, you got it to

1760
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: counteract what Chandler said over the tweets though, you gotta

1761
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:35,519
Speaker 2: be nasty, Luke. You know, miss Jackson, if you're nasty,

1762
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 2: I just happened to you.

1763
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 1: You have to be. You have to be.

1764
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,439
Speaker 2: I mean, well, out of Sonia was nasty against Gastolon

1765
01:20:41,520 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 2: when he had to be, Luke, he said at the

1766
01:20:43,560 --> 01:20:46,759
Speaker 2: start of round five. You know, you know I'll die.

1767
01:20:46,680 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 1: Right, here's a funny part we go. We should go

1768
01:20:48,840 --> 01:20:50,080
Speaker 1: back to that one too. We didn't bring it up

1769
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: in the conversation, but I think when people look at

1770
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 1: parts of that Gasolon fight, you can take parts from

1771
01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: it and build the Robert Whittaker game plan. Now that

1772
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,880
Speaker 1: what Robert added on, subtracted and added a bunch of

1773
01:21:00,880 --> 01:21:04,479
Speaker 1: different stuff, but getting inside that space of Izzy when

1774
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 1: he goes behind the jab. Whittaker had a lot of

1775
01:21:07,040 --> 01:21:09,000
Speaker 1: success with that, dude, and I think there's a lot

1776
01:21:09,040 --> 01:21:10,920
Speaker 1: of lessons to be learned with that. Wasn't enough Sorry,

1777
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: not Whitaker too, but Gaslin had a lot of success

1778
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,840
Speaker 1: with it. Well, not enough, but but dude, they're getting there.

1779
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 1: They're getting there with that.

1780
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:19,320
Speaker 2: Look, you know, Sean Strickland has that nastiness although he

1781
01:21:19,360 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 2: doesn't always, he doesn't always.

1782
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 1: He just came off a fight where he wasn't throwing enough,

1783
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: so I really wonder like if that might hold him

1784
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:27,160
Speaker 1: back a little bit, you know, But.

1785
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 2: Look, we don't know answer the question quickly, see it.

1786
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: The thing about hamsud is one there's still too many

1787
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:37,639
Speaker 1: unknowns be you know, Dana might let him play back

1788
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 1: and forth between middleweight and welter weight. It's hard to say,

1789
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 1: but I think for right now he's locked up at welterweight.

1790
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: You know, so between Izzy potentially going to two oh

1791
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,000
Speaker 1: five and we don't really know, do I see Hamza

1792
01:21:49,120 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 1: Chamaia have potentially giving Izzy problems. I mean, it's conceivable,

1793
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:56,080
Speaker 1: but it seems so far away at best that maybe

1794
01:21:56,200 --> 01:21:58,080
Speaker 1: is the answer, but it just doesn't seem like worthy

1795
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:01,000
Speaker 1: of thinking about all that much at the moment. This one, however,

1796
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:05,960
Speaker 1: BC has got BC written all over it. Underscore Josh

1797
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:10,360
Speaker 1: her Bold, that's what he says, could a prime injury free,

1798
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: prime injury free. Joe Kalzagi beat current Canelo speed power,

1799
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,679
Speaker 1: sixty seven punch combinations, balls out, grit Kaalzagi had it all. BC.

1800
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,280
Speaker 1: I know you are a big Joe Kalzagi guy. Under

1801
01:22:23,320 --> 01:22:24,759
Speaker 1: these conditions. Does he beat Canelo?

1802
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 2: He might? Dude, he might, you know, I'm sorry, that's interesting, right,

1803
01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 2: That's a fight that we have to see because look,

1804
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 2: for all the incredible success Canelo's had at sixty eight

1805
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 2: and even seventy five, he's heavily undersized for those weight classes.

1806
01:22:40,240 --> 01:22:43,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, part of Canelo's greatness is that

1807
01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:45,720
Speaker 2: he can raise up in that way and still be

1808
01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,320
Speaker 2: the bigger puncher and still you know, really beat you

1809
01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 2: in any style. So Canelo's fricking all time great. But

1810
01:22:53,400 --> 01:22:59,000
Speaker 2: Joe Klzagi had the combination of hand speed and daringness

1811
01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:01,000
Speaker 2: in terms of the the angles and the type of

1812
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:04,320
Speaker 2: punches he would get off at close range. That Luke,

1813
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say this. You know, I love me some

1814
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:11,000
Speaker 2: Joe Klzaga forty six and oh amazing. What stops you

1815
01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,200
Speaker 2: from putting Joe Kalzagi in the upper upper upper rooms

1816
01:23:14,240 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 2: all time? And the sport is that you know, he

1817
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 2: didn't really max himself out. He came to America late, right,

1818
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 2: you know, I fought b Hop and Roy Jones, but

1819
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,640
Speaker 2: he did late in his career. He stayed in the

1820
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,559
Speaker 2: same division in the same country there, you know, Wales

1821
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 2: in the UK, and and beat on, you know, beat

1822
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,720
Speaker 2: up all comers. And he's got some great wins, you know,

1823
01:23:33,880 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 2: Michael Kessler, Chris Hubank Senior. I mean, you know, but

1824
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:41,439
Speaker 2: when Kalzagi fought Jeff Lacy, and that was the fight

1825
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:44,559
Speaker 2: that made Kalzagi. Do you remember Jeff left took Lacey.

1826
01:23:45,320 --> 01:23:47,439
Speaker 1: Of course, of course, dude.

1827
01:23:47,720 --> 01:23:50,760
Speaker 2: We thought Jeff Lacy was going to destroy him. We

1828
01:23:50,840 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: thought Klzagi was just another UK domestic guy who looks

1829
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 2: great against white guys in his own country, but what

1830
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:00,120
Speaker 2: happens when he comes to America. Well, this fight was

1831
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:04,880
Speaker 2: in America, but he beat the freakin' bags off Jeff Lacy.

1832
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:08,120
Speaker 2: He essentially ended Jeff Lacy's elite unbeaten career in that

1833
01:24:08,200 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 2: one fight. And I bring that up to show you

1834
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 2: that certain guys got in there against Kalzagi and when

1835
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 2: they saw the combination of hand and foot speed and

1836
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,799
Speaker 2: although he's not a monster punch, power puncher for this division,

1837
01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:23,480
Speaker 2: he gets to your chin so quickly and so accurately

1838
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 2: that yes, look, he's a freaking problem for Canelo. It's

1839
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 2: gonna go twelve rounds and it's gonna be a you know,

1840
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:33,519
Speaker 2: a split decision, probably because of Canelo's ability to adjust

1841
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,120
Speaker 2: counter to the body be a you know, be a

1842
01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 2: big puncher even in that weight class. But Kelzagi's tall,

1843
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 2: Canelo's small, dude. That's a that's a tough ass matchup

1844
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:43,760
Speaker 2: all time.

1845
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:46,759
Speaker 1: I love that idea, Love that idea all right. From

1846
01:24:46,920 --> 01:24:50,200
Speaker 1: at Ta loll Underscore AA seven to sixty seven. I

1847
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 1: don't know what was your favorite moment from the Super Bowl?

1848
01:24:53,080 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: B see.

1849
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,040
Speaker 2: You know, I hate to be that guy because look,

1850
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 2: you know, I'm normally that guy who watches the Super

1851
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 2: Bowl halftime show and then while everybody else is going

1852
01:25:03,880 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: nuts like you for Shakira a couple of years ago.

1853
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 2: Like every other year, when my wife sees some lineup

1854
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 2: of musicians, she's like, oh, I like this one. You know,

1855
01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 2: this is great, And I'm sort of like man that

1856
01:25:12,600 --> 01:25:16,280
Speaker 2: show bleu and sucked looke. This halftime show was awesome.

1857
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:18,640
Speaker 2: And maybe because I'm forty year old white dad and

1858
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: these are all my jams and and you know, and

1859
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:24,920
Speaker 2: seeing these guys, seeing fat fifty cent was was great.

1860
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 4: But seriously, the the production level, the everything about it, dude,

1861
01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:36,559
Speaker 4: you know, even given that rap concerts never live up

1862
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 4: to the you know, musically having a live band there

1863
01:25:39,960 --> 01:25:43,639
Speaker 4: and yeah there were some you know, lip syncing piano

1864
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,040
Speaker 4: playing elements.

1865
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,600
Speaker 2: To it, but all at all, Luke, it was a

1866
01:25:47,640 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 2: great game.

1867
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1868
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 2: The OBJ injury really changed the momentum there, But shout

1869
01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 2: out to the Rams for just being grittier. But I

1870
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 2: would say the best moment was that damn halftime show.

1871
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:57,280
Speaker 1: Luke.

1872
01:25:57,320 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 2: That's the first time since since who were they nailed it.

1873
01:26:02,200 --> 01:26:04,760
Speaker 2: I know, you're gonna tell me someone awful nailed it

1874
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:05,320
Speaker 2: the weekend.

1875
01:26:05,400 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 1: Look really, really, Prince didn't nail it. You're gonna make

1876
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 1: that argument that Prince didn't nail it.

1877
01:26:10,240 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 2: Prince nailed it. Michael Jackson nailed it ninety three. Luke

1878
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 2: he nailed it.

1879
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I would say this. I didn't really watch

1880
01:26:15,840 --> 01:26:17,840
Speaker 1: much of the Super Bowl because I was working, but

1881
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the halftime show. I thought it was great.

1882
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,240
Speaker 1: The only thing I thought was kind of it was

1883
01:26:22,240 --> 01:26:24,200
Speaker 1: a couple of things I didn't quite get about it. One,

1884
01:26:25,200 --> 01:26:27,960
Speaker 1: it didn't quite have the crescendo I was hoping for,

1885
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: although I grant it was still really well done. Two

1886
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,400
Speaker 1: thumbs up for me. I really liked it, and I

1887
01:26:32,479 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 1: noticed that most hip hop fans loved it. The thing

1888
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: I didn't love was if you didn't know the old

1889
01:26:38,479 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: rap videos. I don't know, if like when Superblog was

1890
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,400
Speaker 1: wrapping on the house and whatnot, the little construction thing

1891
01:26:43,400 --> 01:26:45,559
Speaker 1: that they had made. These are all callbacks to the

1892
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:47,640
Speaker 1: original videos that they had made in the nineties. If

1893
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: you didn't know that, I'm not sure what you made

1894
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: of the set, because it was a little bit like

1895
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: distant and a little our artsy partsy in that way.

1896
01:26:55,479 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 1: The other problem was, I know I'm gonna get killed

1897
01:26:57,080 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: for this. I just don't really care. Dude. Eminem fucking

1898
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:01,360
Speaker 1: blows like he hasn't all was blown, but he fucking blows.

1899
01:27:02,040 --> 01:27:04,200
Speaker 1: He's like the the stuff he's putting out now. And

1900
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:05,720
Speaker 1: I realized this is the song from eight Mile, which

1901
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 1: by the way, he already performs at the fucking Oscars.

1902
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,840
Speaker 1: You're trying out this one again, and then he kneeled.

1903
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 1: It's like, you think that I'm multi millionaires kneeling, get

1904
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:12,920
Speaker 1: the fuck out of here.

1905
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,919
Speaker 2: But mom spaghetti is timeless.

1906
01:27:15,120 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: Dude. It's not that good. Dude. It's okay, it's okay,

1907
01:27:17,479 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: it's not a bad song. It's fine. But like, dude,

1908
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: the level he's gotten to now, it's like, you know,

1909
01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,320
Speaker 1: you ever meet those people in high school who were like,

1910
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:26,040
Speaker 1: they would love to tell you I grew up in

1911
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,759
Speaker 1: South Georgia, so this is prominent for me. The people

1912
01:27:28,760 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 1: who are like, you know, you're into like whatever it

1913
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: was in the nineties, Sound Garden, Nirvana, whatever, and they

1914
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:35,240
Speaker 1: come to you they're like, bro, I got this fucking

1915
01:27:35,320 --> 01:27:38,280
Speaker 1: Christian rock. It's about loving the Lord and then you

1916
01:27:38,360 --> 01:27:40,800
Speaker 1: listen to it and it's just budget rock and roll music.

1917
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:44,599
Speaker 1: Eminem sounds like the rock, the Christian rock version of himself.

1918
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:48,759
Speaker 1: He's not rapping about the Lord, like about like getting

1919
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: sober and being happy. You think I want to hear

1920
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: you rap about that shit, get the fuck off stage.

1921
01:27:53,680 --> 01:27:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear that shit. It's boring and

1922
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: it's lame.

1923
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:00,559
Speaker 2: This was legends, legend living legends of rap. It was

1924
01:28:00,640 --> 01:28:03,960
Speaker 2: legend Snoop, and it was the NFL saying we love

1925
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 2: black people, so don't get on us, right. I mean,

1926
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,360
Speaker 2: it was them trying to be hip, but it worked.

1927
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,040
Speaker 2: It was hip, Luke, it was awesome.

1928
01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:11,760
Speaker 1: I'll just say this, dude. We grew up in an

1929
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,040
Speaker 1: era when hip hop was way too dangerous for the

1930
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:16,920
Speaker 1: super Bowl halftime show. Yeah, now it is.

1931
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:19,400
Speaker 2: They sanitized it, Yes they did.

1932
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:21,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and that's a good thing. It's ultimately

1933
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,680
Speaker 1: a good thing, but it just doesn't represent what it

1934
01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: was for us when it was like taboo and your

1935
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 1: parents were trying to find your CDs and fucking throw

1936
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:28,800
Speaker 1: them away.

1937
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, invited to the super Bowl halftime show in the nineties,

1938
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 2: it's just not happening.

1939
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:35,640
Speaker 1: But it was great. It was really well done. Dre

1940
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:38,200
Speaker 1: was great. Snoop was really good. I thought Snoop had

1941
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:43,360
Speaker 1: a high energy the whole time and like it. Kendrick

1942
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: was good and fifty was fine. But me was the

1943
01:28:45,720 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 1: only surprise. Right?

1944
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:49,280
Speaker 2: Can we get Mary j and some major appropriate clothing?

1945
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: Look?

1946
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:50,680
Speaker 2: Am I going to get battered for the Oh?

1947
01:28:50,920 --> 01:28:53,800
Speaker 1: I'm not even touching that? Fuck you? She was great, dude.

1948
01:28:53,800 --> 01:28:56,080
Speaker 1: You gotta let Mary be. Let Mary be. She was great?

1949
01:28:56,080 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 1: All right? Last question on this a similar topic beat

1950
01:29:00,360 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: from televin Key Pappa, who always asks good questions. Favorite

1951
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:06,600
Speaker 1: Doctor Dre song? Now that's an interesting one. Where do

1952
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:06,960
Speaker 1: you go?

1953
01:29:07,960 --> 01:29:10,559
Speaker 2: Well? The problem Luke on on a lot of the

1954
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 2: things we loved from that era, whether it be rap

1955
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:18,920
Speaker 2: music or comedy or certain movie humor. Is that? Boy,

1956
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:21,599
Speaker 2: does it not date well in twenty twenty two? So

1957
01:29:21,640 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 2: can I tell you that the final track off of

1958
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 2: the Chronic from nineteen ninety three, Bitches Ain't Shit, was

1959
01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:29,600
Speaker 2: always my favorite race song. Look, I mean you know

1960
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:31,760
Speaker 2: about these bitches, Luke, right? You know what I mean?

1961
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 2: Just hold apparently okay, you know licks on these nuts

1962
01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 2: and you know, but me too, And indeed, Luke, so

1963
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be out here spouting that type of

1964
01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,719
Speaker 2: nonsense to the world anymore. Okay, but good God, that thing, dude,

1965
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 2: when you were a white kid in eighth grade crossing

1966
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:53,040
Speaker 2: over into ninth grade as I was, you know, the

1967
01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,640
Speaker 2: summer in ninety two, and you, you know, and you

1968
01:29:56,680 --> 01:29:59,519
Speaker 2: pick up the Chronic at Strawberries, your local tape and

1969
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 2: CDC store, Dude, that that shit made you feel hard, Luke.

1970
01:30:05,240 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 2: And I'm not talking about Jake Hager all right, I'm

1971
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 2: not talking about you know, watching Emmanuel on Cinemax. I'm

1972
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 2: talking about that made my wimpyss existence feel hard, Luke.

1973
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,439
Speaker 1: I was in fifth grade when the Chronic or sixth

1974
01:30:21,439 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 1: grade when the Chronic came out. I think that's right.

1975
01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:25,280
Speaker 1: I was in sixth grade when the Chronic came out,

1976
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: and that was one of I always talk about how

1977
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Pantera's not far beyond driven but vulgar display of power

1978
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: was like at this moment where music doesn't sound the

1979
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:35,920
Speaker 1: same after. I don't know how if you were a

1980
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: kid in middle school or whatever you were, and you

1981
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:41,519
Speaker 1: heard the Chronic and that didn't blow your fucking mind

1982
01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:45,400
Speaker 1: sonically about what you had heard. It was unlike anything

1983
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:46,360
Speaker 1: I'd heard up to that point.

1984
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:49,000
Speaker 2: And think about the timing. It comes right at the

1985
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:53,360
Speaker 2: peak of the commercial rap era, meaning the UMTV raps.

1986
01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:57,200
Speaker 2: You know, right, young mcmc hammer, Like, you know, really,

1987
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 2: how how nerdy kids like me get into commercial rap

1988
01:31:01,280 --> 01:31:02,880
Speaker 2: and then you get hit with the chronic and you're like,

1989
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:06,800
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's how about that era? How about

1990
01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 2: that two year one year stretch when you got the first.

1991
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,680
Speaker 1: The first one like unbelievable.

1992
01:31:12,680 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 2: Well think about it. You get the first Rage album

1993
01:31:14,600 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 2: coming out, which blew, it just blew all of our

1994
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 2: minds just just was like, what the hell is this?

1995
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:22,360
Speaker 2: You get the Novana album with with teen Spirit, you know,

1996
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 2: you get Nevermind coming out and smelled the Teen Spirit

1997
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 2: video just changed everything. Look, before Nervada smells like Teen Spirit,

1998
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 2: My middle school dances were basically play rap songs and

1999
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,880
Speaker 2: everybody standing in a circle and the two hip kids

2000
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,559
Speaker 2: in the middle would do moves and then smells like

2001
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:40,559
Speaker 2: teen Spirit came out and they would play that like

2002
01:31:40,640 --> 01:31:42,720
Speaker 2: five times in a row at the eighth grade dances. Look,

2003
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:44,879
Speaker 2: I mean it changed, it changed everything.

2004
01:31:45,320 --> 01:31:48,760
Speaker 1: Obviously NWA preceded Doctor Dre solo album, but like in

2005
01:31:48,840 --> 01:31:51,800
Speaker 1: terms of commercial success and Wa was big, but I

2006
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,400
Speaker 1: was a kid. A lot of that stuff was shielded.

2007
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:55,559
Speaker 1: The Chronic was one of the first things that bled

2008
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: through to a lot of people before you know, Nwa

2009
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,320
Speaker 1: did for obviously for people like me. I caught it

2010
01:32:00,400 --> 01:32:02,960
Speaker 1: later and it was it blew me away to answer

2011
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,760
Speaker 1: the question, I'm gonna go with nothing but a g thing. Uh,

2012
01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:07,360
Speaker 1: there's a lot of choices you could go with on

2013
01:32:07,400 --> 01:32:09,920
Speaker 1: the Chronic, but that's probably my number one.

2014
01:32:10,479 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 2: But you know, rat to Tat tat that ass that's

2015
01:32:12,400 --> 01:32:13,080
Speaker 2: a great song too.

2016
01:32:13,320 --> 01:32:15,320
Speaker 1: Obviously Dre's not on it, it's on his album. But

2017
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,080
Speaker 1: escape from Death Row when who was it was? It

2018
01:32:18,479 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: was it RBX? Who was it? And get burned like

2019
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,800
Speaker 1: the steep? That one of that line is one of

2020
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:23,479
Speaker 1: my favorites.

2021
01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:26,080
Speaker 2: So bitch, who was.

2022
01:32:26,120 --> 01:32:28,559
Speaker 1: On that song Straighter on death Row was RBX? Yeah,

2023
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 1: corrupt RBX, Lady of Rag and Snoop. All right, that's it.

2024
01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: That's all of our d ms.

2025
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,880
Speaker 2: Be sorry. Let Me Ride is their correct answer. Let

2026
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:36,880
Speaker 2: Me Ride is this Let Me Ride?

2027
01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: It's probably in number two or number three, but yeah,

2028
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,920
Speaker 1: it's up there as well. All right, Okay, go ahead, Look,

2029
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:43,280
Speaker 1: you know what.

2030
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:45,240
Speaker 2: We do every weekend. I spent a long time on

2031
01:32:45,320 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 2: Sundays and then Gaff spends an even longer time corraling

2032
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:52,080
Speaker 2: these picking out the most viral videos of the week

2033
01:32:52,160 --> 01:32:55,640
Speaker 2: in combat sports and beyond this one's called have you

2034
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 2: seen this shit?

2035
01:32:56,720 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: Have you seen it?

2036
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:00,799
Speaker 2: All right? And Luke.

2037
01:33:03,080 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: Bade, all right, this is off of this is off

2038
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:10,639
Speaker 1: of a pay per view. You got to you gotta

2039
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: deliver these big today BC. You got to have a

2040
01:33:13,320 --> 01:33:16,040
Speaker 1: tie to e vasa like performance here, I hope.

2041
01:33:16,040 --> 01:33:18,680
Speaker 2: So here we go UFC two seventy one, Luke at

2042
01:33:18,720 --> 01:33:21,519
Speaker 2: the referees instructions before the start of the main event,

2043
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,000
Speaker 2: did you catch Israel out of Soka paper Rock scissoring

2044
01:33:25,160 --> 01:33:25,919
Speaker 2: Robert Whitaker?

2045
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,040
Speaker 1: Look at that, dude, I'm telling you, coming out hot

2046
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:31,439
Speaker 1: the way Adasanya did. It turned him down the stretch,

2047
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: but it may have won him the fight because he

2048
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,200
Speaker 1: started so strong. I really believe that.

2049
01:33:35,400 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, paper covers rock last time I saw, Speaking of

2050
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,840
Speaker 2: the rock, Luke, did you think his his Welcome to

2051
01:33:41,880 --> 01:33:45,440
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl scream was a little, uh, little commercial

2052
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:45,920
Speaker 2: and bitchy?

2053
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: Luke?

2054
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: After after he turned on Rogan.

2055
01:33:47,880 --> 01:33:50,080
Speaker 1: Like that, it was funny that he uh, I don't

2056
01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:51,519
Speaker 1: know if you could tell he got a pump before

2057
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,880
Speaker 1: he went out there, like he had clearly been working out,

2058
01:33:53,920 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: like right before he went out there. And I was like, hey,

2059
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:58,760
Speaker 1: he still hasn't mentioned why he didn't give any of

2060
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:01,760
Speaker 1: the fighters a raise after taking over the Rebok deal.

2061
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: So funny about that, right, Wow?

2062
01:34:04,280 --> 01:34:06,080
Speaker 2: Did so have you turned on the undwinge.

2063
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:08,640
Speaker 1: I was mostly just disappointed. I was like, dude, you

2064
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 1: took over. I don't give a fuck about the tweet.

2065
01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,000
Speaker 1: You took over for Rebok. You put out this video

2066
01:34:13,439 --> 01:34:15,000
Speaker 1: and in the video, and then that was the thing.

2067
01:34:15,040 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: He was like, well, I didn't put out pictures of

2068
01:34:16,240 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 1: their shoes because I wanted to make it all about them. Yeah,

2069
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 1: I hope you did, Rock, because you're sure ast fuck

2070
01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,720
Speaker 1: didn't give him a raise a video highlight of their

2071
01:34:22,720 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: older videos is about the least thing you could fucking do,

2072
01:34:25,320 --> 01:34:29,680
Speaker 1: since you're doing no better than Rebok. This is what

2073
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 1: gets me. It's like all these guys who say all

2074
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,479
Speaker 1: these nice things about the fighters, and it's not just Rock,

2075
01:34:34,520 --> 01:34:36,280
Speaker 1: it's a bunch of people, like especially the rich ones.

2076
01:34:36,479 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 1: We love him so much, hardest workers in the room,

2077
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,439
Speaker 1: and when it comes time to actually come up off

2078
01:34:41,439 --> 01:34:44,120
Speaker 1: your pocketbook to make sure that they get more. They

2079
01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: all are takers. Let it be known who he really is.

2080
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,320
Speaker 1: When the chips were down, you think.

2081
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:51,640
Speaker 2: The Rocks the next Arnold Schwarzenegger. Is that who he is?

2082
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,000
Speaker 1: He's too old. I actually think he's getting out of that.

2083
01:34:54,080 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 1: He's actually kind of aging a little bit. So he's

2084
01:34:55,960 --> 01:34:58,360
Speaker 1: still got action. He's still got action movie potential left

2085
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 1: for several years. But you think he's slowly transitioning to

2086
01:35:01,880 --> 01:35:03,160
Speaker 1: a different a different level.

2087
01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 2: Who has bigger biceps him or his ex wife, Danny Garcia.

2088
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,840
Speaker 1: I'm not going to touch that. She's a successful professional

2089
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:12,800
Speaker 1: and your your mean spirited.

2090
01:35:12,720 --> 01:35:15,200
Speaker 2: No, look at the pump she gets, Luke, I'm envious,

2091
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 2: all right.

2092
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:18,800
Speaker 1: I was. The Rocks physique is tremendous his home, and

2093
01:35:19,000 --> 01:35:19,479
Speaker 1: ask you if.

2094
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:22,200
Speaker 2: You'd rather make out with Danny Garcia or Danny Swift Garcia.

2095
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:23,799
Speaker 2: I didn't ask you that, Luke, Okay.

2096
01:35:23,640 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 1: You didn't, and I'm not going to answer that because

2097
01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: it's also a question that we'll get us into trouble.

2098
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,960
Speaker 2: Luke welt your weight. Jeremiah Wells tried to get himself

2099
01:35:31,000 --> 01:35:34,719
Speaker 2: pumped up to start the night against Blood Diamond. Watch

2100
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:37,599
Speaker 2: out for that wall, Luke, what water?

2101
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:44,920
Speaker 1: He turned it around? He turned it around. But that

2102
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:47,799
Speaker 1: was not an auspicious beginning, boy.

2103
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:50,559
Speaker 2: Did he, Luke. Let's be honest here about one Mike

2104
01:35:50,720 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 2: mattetha f the aka Blood Diamond. I hated to say it,

2105
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 2: but he looked worse than seampunk against Mickey gall In

2106
01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 2: this one.

2107
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,400
Speaker 1: Right, Well, that's a little strong, but he did not

2108
01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,320
Speaker 1: have a great show, to put it mildly.

2109
01:36:01,560 --> 01:36:04,000
Speaker 2: All right, Well, Jeremiah Well's got the w just the same.

2110
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 2: Let's listen to this sound. King Casey O'Neil got that

2111
01:36:07,280 --> 01:36:11,600
Speaker 2: hard fought win against Roxy and then Luke, she she

2112
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:15,360
Speaker 2: settled right into the heel mode here pro wrestling style.

2113
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:22,280
Speaker 2: Take time.

2114
01:36:23,000 --> 01:36:23,960
Speaker 1: If you want me to be the.

2115
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:34,719
Speaker 2: Hey's not seeking, Luke, that was very raging, Al asked,

2116
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,400
Speaker 2: But it's kind of it's kind of hot too, right,

2117
01:36:37,439 --> 01:36:38,360
Speaker 2: looks kind of sneaky.

2118
01:36:38,680 --> 01:36:41,240
Speaker 1: Listen, she's full of competitive fire. They're not always gonna

2119
01:36:41,280 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: love being booed. I get it, I get it.

2120
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:46,920
Speaker 2: She was ready, willing and able to wear the black

2121
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 2: hat after this, So let's see what happens moving forward. Uh,

2122
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:52,799
Speaker 2: we've got more sound, Luke. This comes from bantam uh

2123
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:57,760
Speaker 2: or do we yes? Bantamweight Ronnie Lawrence had a hard fought,

2124
01:36:57,840 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 2: unanimous decision.

2125
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:02,320
Speaker 1: Winning you were gonna put this in okay perfectly.

2126
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:05,280
Speaker 2: Omana Martinez and Luke. He had a much deeper battle.

2127
01:37:05,320 --> 01:37:06,679
Speaker 2: He overcame before this fight.

2128
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 1: Uh, you know, we all go through stuff before about

2129
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:13,160
Speaker 1: to have a fight.

2130
01:37:13,240 --> 01:37:16,880
Speaker 2: People have it all the time. I misshapped, like my

2131
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:20,240
Speaker 2: solid intake and I had diarrhea, and uh, I don't know.

2132
01:37:20,280 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 1: I just didn't feel so good tonight.

2133
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:28,839
Speaker 2: Look you've been.

2134
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,600
Speaker 1: There and now I was like, dude, I could just

2135
01:37:31,680 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: say that same speech every morning after a cup of coffee.

2136
01:37:35,400 --> 01:37:37,320
Speaker 1: It's like, I had diarrhea. I don't feel so good

2137
01:37:37,320 --> 01:37:38,599
Speaker 1: and I wasn't myself.

2138
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 2: You know what made it great was he deadpanned it.

2139
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,040
Speaker 2: It wasn't a joke. He's just like, no, seriously, you know,

2140
01:37:44,080 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 2: a diarrhea.

2141
01:37:44,720 --> 01:37:46,600
Speaker 1: He treated it like, you know, I didn't get a

2142
01:37:46,600 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 1: good night of sleep and it really affected me. He

2143
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: was like, I have diarrhea.

2144
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:51,800
Speaker 2: That was a fun fight. By the way, there was

2145
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 2: another one of those early bangers, Luke. Let's rate this shirt.

2146
01:37:55,360 --> 01:37:59,040
Speaker 2: Celebrity Dustin Pourier in attendance at the fights on Saturday,

2147
01:37:59,120 --> 01:37:59,599
Speaker 2: your thoughts.

2148
01:37:59,840 --> 01:38:01,640
Speaker 1: He loves these loud ass shirts.

2149
01:38:02,280 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 2: Shout out to Naby there with him, right, here's the things.

2150
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what I say, though, I don't know what's cool.

2151
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 1: So like, i'd love to bag on the shirt, but

2152
01:38:09,800 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 1: it's probably a lot cooler than anything I wear.

2153
01:38:11,680 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 2: So well, first of all, it's got a cost to

2154
01:38:13,439 --> 01:38:15,280
Speaker 2: these four andre and fifty dollars, And second of all,

2155
01:38:15,760 --> 01:38:17,600
Speaker 2: that's my shit. I'd wear that. Yeah. Shout out to

2156
01:38:17,640 --> 01:38:20,280
Speaker 2: Dustin Porri all the way. All right, let's go to

2157
01:38:20,360 --> 01:38:22,719
Speaker 2: Bobby Green. You'll have much more on him on extra credit.

2158
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:24,720
Speaker 2: But how about this way to enter the cage with

2159
01:38:24,760 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 2: some swag? Luke some styck.

2160
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:31,000
Speaker 1: He always yeah, he always does this, damn and so

2161
01:38:31,120 --> 01:38:32,519
Speaker 1: he used to. I don't know if he does it.

2162
01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: I can't remember if he did it postfight or even

2163
01:38:34,520 --> 01:38:37,280
Speaker 1: when he was announced. He used to do. Was it

2164
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: triple h who would like put the water in his

2165
01:38:39,160 --> 01:38:41,200
Speaker 1: mouth and then spit it in the air or whatever? Yeah,

2166
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:43,160
Speaker 1: Bobby Green has done that time to time.

2167
01:38:43,960 --> 01:38:46,200
Speaker 2: Got them hands, dude, he is at another level at

2168
01:38:46,200 --> 01:38:48,519
Speaker 2: age thirty five. More on that from Luke Later today,

2169
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 2: Connor McGregor was back to drunk tweeting during the card

2170
01:38:51,240 --> 01:38:54,360
Speaker 2: on Saturday, Luke, and he gave us this secret inside

2171
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,000
Speaker 2: revelation about his personal life.

2172
01:38:57,479 --> 01:38:59,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's getting a little sad for him.

2173
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,840
Speaker 2: Do we take the Twitter away from him at this point? Luke?

2174
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean he's horny, Luke, He's horny.

2175
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 1: Okay, well, you know it's a guys are He's just

2176
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 1: tweeting out guys, I'm horny. Like you know, we saw

2177
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:12,160
Speaker 1: the video him eating ice cream. I'm not even mad

2178
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:14,040
Speaker 1: about that. Lord knows, I've giggled my way through a

2179
01:39:14,040 --> 01:39:17,280
Speaker 1: few ice cream cones in my life. Who knows what.

2180
01:39:17,439 --> 01:39:20,080
Speaker 1: But you gotta lay off the tweets, man, it's just

2181
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,679
Speaker 1: not looking good. And also, do you see Tyson Fury

2182
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:23,320
Speaker 1: send him to Hell?

2183
01:39:23,680 --> 01:39:25,519
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, they're going back and forth and it's getting

2184
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 2: a little weird. But Luke Connor not the only one

2185
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,000
Speaker 2: shooting his shot on Saturday. How about friend of the

2186
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:34,920
Speaker 2: program Brian boom Kelleher saying, Hey, Connor, would you like

2187
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: to corner me in my next fight at two seventy

2188
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:39,599
Speaker 2: two against Habib's cousin Umar.

2189
01:39:41,160 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 1: What did Connor say?

2190
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:47,160
Speaker 2: Nothing? Who the fuck is that guy? Look?

2191
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2192
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he didn't respond. But but I like where

2193
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:53,120
Speaker 2: your head's at boom trying to get a little you know,

2194
01:39:53,200 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 2: a little ww styling.

2195
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,880
Speaker 1: Hey listen, yeah, he makes noise. He gets out there

2196
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,400
Speaker 1: and try to rattle the cage a little bit. I like,

2197
01:39:58,439 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 1: Brian Luke your.

2198
01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:01,679
Speaker 2: FAI Game of the Week on have you seen this ship?

2199
01:40:01,720 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 2: It's obvious it's called rate that cat Eryl Spence Junior

2200
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:10,080
Speaker 2: adding a big fish tattoo to his right foot.

2201
01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:16,599
Speaker 1: Luke your thoughts these guys, man, I don't know what

2202
01:40:16,640 --> 01:40:17,200
Speaker 1: they're doing.

2203
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 2: Is that he boss level?

2204
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:23,920
Speaker 1: Luke? Were you at It's not great, dude, It's really

2205
01:40:23,960 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 1: not great. It's he took. It's not great. It's it's bad.

2206
01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:34,040
Speaker 2: In concept or in in technique.

2207
01:40:34,080 --> 01:40:36,559
Speaker 1: In finish, I don't love the concept because I don't

2208
01:40:36,560 --> 01:40:39,720
Speaker 1: like the lettering above it, because uh, it just is

2209
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:43,559
Speaker 1: a little weird. But you it's there are guys who

2210
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:46,240
Speaker 1: could do sharks biting. You've seen these guys who specialize

2211
01:40:46,240 --> 01:40:49,280
Speaker 1: in like gorilla roars or some kind of big cat

2212
01:40:49,320 --> 01:40:51,439
Speaker 1: showing teeth or in the case certain fish as well,

2213
01:40:52,200 --> 01:40:57,479
Speaker 1: or sharks whatever. But this one's not. It's it's everything

2214
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 1: is kind of pressed flat. There's real depth to the

2215
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:06,240
Speaker 1: photo and it just looks like I mean, I don't

2216
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: really want to say what it looks like because it

2217
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: would be bad. But it doesn't look good.

2218
01:41:09,720 --> 01:41:11,120
Speaker 2: Are you saying it looks like a vigene?

2219
01:41:12,400 --> 01:41:14,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna go lean on my

2220
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:17,799
Speaker 1: days of bang bus material to make a different argument.

2221
01:41:17,840 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 1: But it's pretty bad either way.

2222
01:41:19,800 --> 01:41:21,719
Speaker 2: Well, look, we do know you, We know you prefer

2223
01:41:21,920 --> 01:41:25,240
Speaker 2: astats on men. Right, if it looks good, if it's tribal,

2224
01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:26,639
Speaker 2: and it looks good, let's.

2225
01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Go to the That's not quite the right way of

2226
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:29,479
Speaker 1: putting it, but I'll let it go.

2227
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 2: Okay, let's go to the subway. Luke rate this astat? Okay, Luke,

2228
01:41:33,640 --> 01:41:35,120
Speaker 2: please again?

2229
01:41:35,280 --> 01:41:39,280
Speaker 1: If I never go are you what the fuck? Bro?

2230
01:41:39,640 --> 01:41:44,120
Speaker 1: I mean? And what stop is that? Do they show?

2231
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:48,479
Speaker 1: What stopping? Is that on the street? Where is that

2232
01:41:48,640 --> 01:41:50,560
Speaker 1: is that? Is that? Uh?

2233
01:41:50,920 --> 01:41:51,759
Speaker 2: That Fulton Street?

2234
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:56,280
Speaker 1: Luke says, that's twenty third, Yeah, that's twenty third and

2235
01:41:56,360 --> 01:41:59,880
Speaker 1: third that's the sixth with line? Is that? Or no,

2236
01:42:00,040 --> 01:42:01,960
Speaker 1: that's the ace that's all side?

2237
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:04,640
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, dude.

2238
01:42:04,160 --> 01:42:07,080
Speaker 1: That is dude. Man, I swear to god, people like

2239
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,120
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna wear a mask when this old man

2240
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 1: makes you and then people have stopped. Let me explain

2241
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: something to you. I'm not going into the New York

2242
01:42:12,800 --> 01:42:17,759
Speaker 1: City subway without a fucking hazmat suit. It's the most

2243
01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,680
Speaker 1: diseased place on Earth. It gets you where you need

2244
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:24,040
Speaker 1: to go, it does do that, but you are gonna

2245
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:28,040
Speaker 1: get every communicable to fuck COVID. You're gonna get everything

2246
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:30,439
Speaker 1: else on Earth if you go through there without a

2247
01:42:30,439 --> 01:42:30,840
Speaker 1: mask on.

2248
01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:32,160
Speaker 2: What do you think this guy charges?

2249
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:32,559
Speaker 1: Luke?

2250
01:42:32,640 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 2: What do you think? You know? Right by? You know,

2251
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:37,120
Speaker 2: you're getting off the train after a long shift. You're like,

2252
01:42:37,160 --> 01:42:39,240
Speaker 2: you know what, let me get that shit out my ass. Bro,

2253
01:42:39,320 --> 01:42:40,000
Speaker 2: how much.

2254
01:42:41,600 --> 01:42:43,479
Speaker 1: He's not looking at him, He's just face all up

2255
01:42:43,479 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: in his ass?

2256
01:42:44,720 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 2: Yeah? All right, hey, Luke, I mean.

2257
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: What is dude? Just the dude? I'm telling you, if

2258
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,799
Speaker 1: I never ride that subway again, it'll be the greatest

2259
01:42:54,800 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: thing ever happens to me.

2260
01:42:56,280 --> 01:42:59,160
Speaker 2: Luke Little Inside Baseball on our MK docs, there was

2261
01:42:59,160 --> 01:43:01,880
Speaker 2: a shirtless picture of you that you asked Jake the

2262
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:04,240
Speaker 2: documentarian to blurt out. You're like, I ain't showing that

2263
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,120
Speaker 2: much skin on this ship. Well, Luke, they got me

2264
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 2: with my toes, as we know. But as I countered,

2265
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:15,320
Speaker 2: you know, that's what men do. Okay, real talks right, Well, Luke,

2266
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 2: you sent me a text of what Shack believes men do. Luke,

2267
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:24,120
Speaker 2: what the hell's going on with Shaquille O'Neill's toes? Can

2268
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 2: we watch this one time only? Please? Can we zoom in?

2269
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:33,599
Speaker 1: Geth dude, look at those fucking He's got fungus the

2270
01:43:33,640 --> 01:43:35,799
Speaker 1: size of fucking turtles on his toenail.

2271
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,360
Speaker 2: Wow, wow, Shaq, you.

2272
01:43:38,280 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: Know, I know it's like, my man, you need you

2273
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 1: need some aqua four on them feet. I mean, we

2274
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 1: got it. We gotta hydrate that skin.

2275
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, it's you know, he's still he's still getting

2276
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 2: it done though.

2277
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:50,000
Speaker 1: He's I keep I keep talking about you see how

2278
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:52,519
Speaker 1: his big toes go in like this or they mean

2279
01:43:52,560 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 1: it opens up wide, but they they the toes collapsing

2280
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,680
Speaker 1: on themselves. It's because he's wearing shoes that fucked up

2281
01:43:57,680 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 1: his feet the whole time telling you.

2282
01:43:59,439 --> 01:44:01,400
Speaker 2: You do know what they say though about guys like

2283
01:44:01,479 --> 01:44:02,240
Speaker 2: me and Shack, right.

2284
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 1: Luke, that you guys are you are infrequent showers.

2285
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 2: No gross feet, but just massive hammers. Luke, just you

2286
01:44:12,680 --> 01:44:15,000
Speaker 2: know what I mean, just like yeah.

2287
01:44:15,160 --> 01:44:17,519
Speaker 1: Right, I don't know if they say that, but In

2288
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:19,880
Speaker 1: the case of Shaq, I would only imagine that he's

2289
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,519
Speaker 1: got Hassebulla in his pants, you know what I'm saying, Or.

2290
01:44:22,520 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 2: He's just see shack shack to be fair, is too

2291
01:44:25,439 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 2: rich to have feed that gross? You know who else

2292
01:44:27,080 --> 01:44:30,160
Speaker 2: is really rich? Luke Canelo Alvarez look at him showing

2293
01:44:30,200 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 2: off his brand new is it pronounced la Ferrari? The

2294
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:38,599
Speaker 2: Ferrari's first full hybrid vehicle. Luke, There's only a few

2295
01:44:38,640 --> 01:44:41,519
Speaker 2: of them being made right now. The MSRP on this one,

2296
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 2: one point four million dollars Canelo's new ride.

2297
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:48,479
Speaker 1: Wow, good for him, Bro, that is so sick. I

2298
01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,360
Speaker 1: don't even know what life is like at that level.

2299
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:54,559
Speaker 2: Dude, Like, what do he? I always argue, like, you know,

2300
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:56,840
Speaker 2: I buy my wife the eighteen ninety nine bottle of

2301
01:44:56,880 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 2: red wine. But I'm like, you know what if today

2302
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 2: I bought the sixty five dollars one, Like, would we

2303
01:45:00,680 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 2: both at night being like, oh my god, what's it

2304
01:45:03,400 --> 01:45:05,880
Speaker 2: like driving this car for five minutes? Luke? Would you

2305
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 2: never be the same again? In your in my Orange

2306
01:45:08,520 --> 01:45:09,880
Speaker 2: super cross track?

2307
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,639
Speaker 1: It's it's the It's like just I mean, even if

2308
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:16,080
Speaker 1: no one is actually blowing you, it's light getting blown

2309
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,640
Speaker 1: while driving. I mean it's got to be just the

2310
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:21,160
Speaker 1: most intense feeling, total total phoner.

2311
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,640
Speaker 2: Anyway, Luke, we got to roll on. You know what

2312
01:45:23,640 --> 01:45:27,120
Speaker 2: they say, Hell hath no fury? Like a scorned woman

2313
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:30,479
Speaker 2: protecting the paint on a basketball court. Let's go to

2314
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 2: the hardwood here. Oh yeah, get that shit out of here, Luke. Wow, yes, bah.

2315
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:43,320
Speaker 1: She came in like a volleyball player.

2316
01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 2: Who Yes, Luke, we did a bit last week on

2317
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:50,439
Speaker 2: two sport athletes, you know, crossing over. We know Ronald

2318
01:45:50,520 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 2: McDonald of a success in his field at bringing smiles

2319
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:57,280
Speaker 2: on kids' faces. Now he's into pro wrestling, Luke in Japan.

2320
01:45:57,360 --> 01:45:58,760
Speaker 2: Let's see the results. Can we zoom in?

2321
01:45:58,800 --> 01:45:58,960
Speaker 1: Here?

2322
01:46:00,240 --> 01:46:03,200
Speaker 2: Here comes Ronald nice running.

2323
01:46:04,640 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 5: Oh no, oh no, Luke, that is that is not appropriate.

2324
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 5: That is ah, that is against her own will, Luke,

2325
01:46:15,920 --> 01:46:22,800
Speaker 5: that is not appropriate. Yeah, I would you like to

2326
01:46:22,840 --> 01:46:24,439
Speaker 5: see his happy meal just the same, Luke.

2327
01:46:27,720 --> 01:46:32,880
Speaker 1: It's still going, Yeah, that's still going. He's still doing.

2328
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:34,680
Speaker 2: How do we get out of this?

2329
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 1: Luke? This is why? How do you how do the

2330
01:46:36,520 --> 01:46:38,680
Speaker 1: Japanese I'm assuming these people are Japanese. How does the

2331
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:42,720
Speaker 1: Japanese have a character whose sole bit is to look

2332
01:46:42,760 --> 01:46:45,400
Speaker 1: like McDonald's and then sexually harass everyone.

2333
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 2: Well, they have a guy that my my friend at

2334
01:46:48,640 --> 01:46:50,599
Speaker 2: ESPN and I used to trade clips with. He's called

2335
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:55,479
Speaker 2: Razor ramone HG and the Razor ramone HG part of

2336
01:46:55,520 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 2: it means hard gay and he comes out and molests

2337
01:46:58,200 --> 01:47:00,599
Speaker 2: other menutes. It's he's dressed like the villain people, Luke,

2338
01:47:00,640 --> 01:47:03,960
Speaker 2: it's it's you know, it's very dated sort of look

2339
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:08,880
Speaker 2: at the yeah, yeah, wow, okay, uh, Luke, let's go

2340
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:11,240
Speaker 2: over to this sound. This is not from this weekend,

2341
01:47:11,320 --> 01:47:14,880
Speaker 2: it's from his last fight. But Robert Whitaker a man

2342
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 2: after your heart, none the same you you you Yeah,

2343
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:26,720
Speaker 2: I'm done now.

2344
01:47:26,760 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 1: I can just go upstairs and get back to doing

2345
01:47:30,040 --> 01:47:31,120
Speaker 1: what I was doing before.

2346
01:47:32,720 --> 01:47:43,160
Speaker 2: This hard cool masturbating, Luke. True or false on the road,

2347
01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 2: this is usually the last thing you say before heading

2348
01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 2: up to your room when to anyone on the team that's.

2349
01:47:48,840 --> 01:47:51,880
Speaker 1: Listening, I don't know what you're talking about. I've never

2350
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:55,360
Speaker 1: said anything like that, and I don't appreciate you lying

2351
01:47:55,439 --> 01:47:58,040
Speaker 1: to the audience in such an obvious and direct manner.

2352
01:47:58,600 --> 01:48:01,040
Speaker 2: By the way, Rob Scott call him Rob now because

2353
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,479
Speaker 2: apparently we're friends, Luke, I don't know he's got He's

2354
01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:08,000
Speaker 2: got a funny personality that does not show enough during interviews. Dude,

2355
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:10,640
Speaker 2: maybe with the submission radio guys, because they're all like

2356
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:12,439
Speaker 2: down under bros. Luke, you know what I mean?

2357
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: He apparently hates me. I don't know why, but he does.

2358
01:48:15,320 --> 01:48:16,880
Speaker 1: And I didn't get a great interview from him, but

2359
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,160
Speaker 1: yours was pretty good, Okay.

2360
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:20,760
Speaker 2: I mean I think he hates you because you love

2361
01:48:20,920 --> 01:48:22,840
Speaker 2: the shit out of his rivals, Luke.

2362
01:48:23,800 --> 01:48:26,120
Speaker 1: Not all of them. Just won the big.

2363
01:48:25,960 --> 01:48:29,480
Speaker 2: One, the one that matters, the big one. Admit, Shoey's

2364
01:48:29,520 --> 01:48:31,840
Speaker 2: got a bit played out this week because of tie

2365
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,880
Speaker 2: toy Vasa. In fact, I'm not even showing footage of

2366
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:37,000
Speaker 2: his postfight Shewey because we've seen it. But how about

2367
01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:39,679
Speaker 2: the folks on the UFC Wayan Show getting involved, Laura

2368
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 2: Cenko and Daniel Cormier, Luke, your thoughts.

2369
01:48:43,400 --> 01:48:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, when we did it, it was very played out,

2370
01:48:46,040 --> 01:48:48,640
Speaker 1: and I appreciate the wonderful Laura Cenko doing it, but

2371
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: can we please? You know, look, they have brand new shirts, shirts,

2372
01:48:53,560 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, brand new shoes. It doesn't really count like

2373
01:48:57,000 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 1: we took someone's diseased shoe from the crowd. That's what

2374
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:02,760
Speaker 1: you gotta do. These guys have brand new kicks right

2375
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:03,240
Speaker 1: out of.

2376
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:07,320
Speaker 2: The Just DC spit in his own shoe.

2377
01:49:07,120 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah, but what does that matter. You're gonna get

2378
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:10,400
Speaker 1: it all and then he pours it out off the

2379
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:14,759
Speaker 1: side like Turner in Hooch's you know, Jewel.

2380
01:49:14,600 --> 01:49:17,439
Speaker 2: We've got the Waler spirit of the beer coming down. Look,

2381
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:19,760
Speaker 2: Senko was more man than DC on this, Luke.

2382
01:49:19,880 --> 01:49:21,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, she was game for it. She was game

2383
01:49:21,800 --> 01:49:24,240
Speaker 1: for it. But I gotta say, if you're drinking it

2384
01:49:24,280 --> 01:49:28,200
Speaker 1: out of a brand new shoe, you know that's only halfway.

2385
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:29,200
Speaker 1: That's only halfway.

2386
01:49:29,400 --> 01:49:33,639
Speaker 2: Well, Luke, Angela Hill the UFC flyway and uh, I'm

2387
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:36,000
Speaker 2: sorry Strawweight, And you know I say friend of the

2388
01:49:36,040 --> 01:49:37,920
Speaker 2: program because we both have a lot of love for her.

2389
01:49:38,320 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 2: She took it to a new level while posting her

2390
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 2: MyBookie dot ag picks on Instagram. Luke, We've heard of

2391
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:48,719
Speaker 2: the cuppy because Tuivasa threatened to do one. So here's

2392
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:57,320
Speaker 2: Angie Hill's husband providing the cup. Luke, you into this

2393
01:49:57,400 --> 01:50:00,000
Speaker 2: at all? This moving you?

2394
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:05,160
Speaker 1: I want to party with Angela Hill. That's my kind

2395
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 1: of woman right.

2396
01:50:05,680 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 2: There, she went on to do one out of the

2397
01:50:08,560 --> 01:50:11,519
Speaker 2: high heel out of the flip flop, Luke, she got

2398
01:50:11,640 --> 01:50:12,719
Speaker 2: to stir that up first.

2399
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,960
Speaker 1: You know, that is exactly the kind of person, you

2400
01:50:15,960 --> 01:50:17,479
Speaker 1: know what we got to get her in studio. I

2401
01:50:17,479 --> 01:50:18,720
Speaker 1: feel like we could have fun with her.

2402
01:50:18,920 --> 01:50:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we could. I think we could. Indeed, indeed,

2403
01:50:21,720 --> 01:50:23,280
Speaker 2: she got a fight coming up as well. I forgot

2404
01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:26,519
Speaker 2: it gets too. But speaking of d C. Luke, he

2405
01:50:26,640 --> 01:50:29,879
Speaker 2: took no shit this week from the Houston Rockets mascot

2406
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:32,240
Speaker 2: while while court side.

2407
01:50:33,520 --> 01:50:36,639
Speaker 1: Oh lord, oh some staged bit.

2408
01:50:37,320 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, poor man's Charles Barkley type bit. Look at Kisa

2409
01:50:40,040 --> 01:50:40,400
Speaker 2: loving it?

2410
01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 1: Oh hit it? Uh? Oh oh oh he's not gonna drop?

2411
01:50:46,200 --> 01:50:52,080
Speaker 1: Oh he does? He body slammed that hoe. That was great. Yeah, yeah,

2412
01:50:52,200 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 1: see that's great. That's great. If you had just punched

2413
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 1: him and threw him, that's no good.

2414
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:58,880
Speaker 2: But if only that mascot had seen Star Wars Episode three,

2415
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:02,040
Speaker 2: Luke and learned the same lesson that Anakin should have

2416
01:51:02,120 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 2: learned about the high ground. Let's go over to the

2417
01:51:04,200 --> 01:51:06,920
Speaker 2: street fight, Luke. Check out Obi Wan on the high

2418
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:11,800
Speaker 2: ground here at the Mustafar system.

2419
01:51:11,960 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 1: Oh boy, hey John, I'd like to ask you a part, Luke.

2420
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:19,920
Speaker 2: Does that look a little bit like Jake our documentarian?

2421
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:20,280
Speaker 2: That guy?

2422
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,960
Speaker 1: This reminds me of the two fourteen press conference?

2423
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it does, Yeah it does. All right, all right, Luke,

2424
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,760
Speaker 2: we here on MK. We want all the smoke. And no,

2425
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:35,080
Speaker 2: that's not a showtime digital joke. Here's the world's largest bong. Luke,

2426
01:51:35,120 --> 01:51:38,160
Speaker 2: your thoughts, dude?

2427
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,920
Speaker 1: Why am I not in that? That's what I don't understand.

2428
01:51:43,120 --> 01:51:45,160
Speaker 1: How is it that this person gets to be there

2429
01:51:45,240 --> 01:51:47,320
Speaker 1: instead of me when all I want to do is

2430
01:51:47,479 --> 01:51:48,439
Speaker 1: just live there?

2431
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,559
Speaker 2: This guy like a young Augustus Glube caught in the

2432
01:51:51,960 --> 01:51:53,559
Speaker 2: chalka river pipe. Luke, look at this?

2433
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:58,240
Speaker 1: Yes, wow, Honestly, if he died from asphyxiation, I'd consider

2434
01:51:58,320 --> 01:51:58,760
Speaker 1: him a hero.

2435
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 2: Look went out doing what he loved. Luke. You gotta

2436
01:52:01,320 --> 01:52:01,920
Speaker 2: respect that.

2437
01:52:02,120 --> 01:52:04,240
Speaker 1: You really do. That's the way to go right there.

2438
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:08,200
Speaker 2: Speaking of skills in this game, check out Anthony Joshua,

2439
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:14,960
Speaker 2: former heavyweight champion Jay rolling up a fat chicken faheeda

2440
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 2: blunt here, Luke, your thoughts?

2441
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:27,040
Speaker 1: Okay, let's see here. Does he lick it is? He? Ah?

2442
01:52:27,320 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 2: He did?

2443
01:52:30,600 --> 01:52:33,439
Speaker 1: Dude. We got to know, you know what, there's a

2444
01:52:33,479 --> 01:52:34,840
Speaker 1: lot of people we need to party with.

2445
01:52:34,920 --> 01:52:36,920
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, AJ knows how to party, Luke.

2446
01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 2: He's not just rich. He comes from the other side

2447
01:52:39,200 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 2: of the tracks. He's got a backstory. He's lived like

2448
01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:42,280
Speaker 2: we did.

2449
01:52:42,320 --> 01:52:44,840
Speaker 1: Okay, this is not his first time trying to make

2450
01:52:44,880 --> 01:52:46,840
Speaker 1: something like this happen, not at all a good job.

2451
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:49,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's go over to the Sign of the week.

2452
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 2: I mean this is a general instruction for most of us.

2453
01:53:00,320 --> 01:53:02,760
Speaker 2: The thing about the bathrooms in the subway station in

2454
01:53:02,760 --> 01:53:04,719
Speaker 2: New York City is, you know some of the people

2455
01:53:04,720 --> 01:53:07,080
Speaker 2: will will doyn't wash that shit right there, Luke in

2456
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:08,360
Speaker 2: the sink. They have no care, you know.

2457
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,800
Speaker 1: No. See they read this and they're like, oh, I

2458
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:13,600
Speaker 1: must wash my hands with my anus. That's what they

2459
01:53:13,680 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: think it means.

2460
01:53:15,120 --> 01:53:17,800
Speaker 2: All right, regional, Mma, Luke, anything can happen. We'll go

2461
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:22,240
Speaker 2: to Fury FC fifty seven. Here's John Yannis with as

2462
01:53:22,320 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 2: Rashad would say, a one hit a quitter.

2463
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:32,639
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, oho not get more authoritative than that. Lord,

2464
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:37,479
Speaker 1: have mercy. Nope, Wow, I hope you're all right, kid.

2465
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:38,480
Speaker 1: Good Lord.

2466
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 2: Now you could see many a dead body on a

2467
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 2: regional show. Look at that.

2468
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:44,040
Speaker 1: By the way, I talk about it, these guys who

2469
01:53:44,040 --> 01:53:47,000
Speaker 1: can slip punches in MMA. It's true in boxing obviously,

2470
01:53:47,000 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: but in boxing a lot more dudes can slip, so

2471
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 1: it's not nearly as relevant, but it's relevant in MMA.

2472
01:53:51,640 --> 01:53:54,040
Speaker 1: If you can slip punches and put offense behind it,

2473
01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:56,920
Speaker 1: you are gonna be a much higher level fighter. It's

2474
01:53:56,960 --> 01:53:57,559
Speaker 1: just a fact.

2475
01:53:57,760 --> 01:54:01,320
Speaker 2: Robert Whitaker's defense on Saturday, Luke, pretty good, pretty damn good.

2476
01:54:01,320 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 1: Okay, after the first that so great in the first.

2477
01:54:04,400 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, except for that one shot.

2478
01:54:05,720 --> 01:54:06,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2479
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 2: Hey, Ronnie Deutsch is back. We haven't seen this guy

2480
01:54:08,240 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 2: drink a shit. Yeah, this is great. Let's see look

2481
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:14,320
Speaker 2: at him celebrate in Gooni's nostalgia by putting on the

2482
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:15,040
Speaker 2: sloth mask.

2483
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:19,759
Speaker 1: Luke, First of all, that picture is just more important

2484
01:54:19,800 --> 01:54:22,280
Speaker 1: than anything Tesla is doing. Let's point that out number one.

2485
01:54:22,479 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Luke, you remember that guy on The Man

2486
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:29,080
Speaker 2: Show who did the ziggy zaggi ziggy zoggy oi oi oi. Yeah,

2487
01:54:29,120 --> 01:54:30,760
Speaker 2: and then he died doing what he loved a couple

2488
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,560
Speaker 2: years later. Just yeah, I mean, Ronnie Deutsch's life span

2489
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 2: expectations or are they They can't be high right now.

2490
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:39,440
Speaker 1: No, but he's gonna go out in the blaze of

2491
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 1: glory and God bless this man.

2492
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 2: And he's still jacked and always has chicks.

2493
01:54:43,240 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 1: I was gonna say he's like Takaro Koba Yashi, even

2494
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,880
Speaker 1: Joey Chestnut to a degree. They eat like these mounds

2495
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 1: of hot dogs. But they don't look too bad in

2496
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:50,440
Speaker 1: the off season or whatever.

2497
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, they must purge like crazy, Luke. You know, I mean,

2498
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,000
Speaker 2: you know who hasn't? Who has it?

2499
01:54:54,120 --> 01:54:54,280
Speaker 1: Luke?

2500
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:55,680
Speaker 2: You know I did come back from two hours of

2501
01:54:55,720 --> 01:54:57,480
Speaker 2: basketball last Tuesday night. You know what I did, right,

2502
01:54:57,560 --> 01:54:59,160
Speaker 2: first thing I did when I came home, Luke.

2503
01:55:01,120 --> 01:55:02,440
Speaker 1: Purged.

2504
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm an old exhausted bitch. Luke. Okay, yes,

2505
01:55:07,520 --> 01:55:11,520
Speaker 2: all right. Uh, you can always find a wife at

2506
01:55:11,520 --> 01:55:13,800
Speaker 2: the bowling alley, Luke, if you can find a lady

2507
01:55:13,800 --> 01:55:16,960
Speaker 2: who can act this classy check this out.

2508
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:25,360
Speaker 1: Okay. Why is that duck pin bowling?

2509
01:55:25,640 --> 01:55:28,560
Speaker 2: Yes? Oh, look that that's.

2510
01:55:28,320 --> 01:55:31,400
Speaker 1: The Subborty good. That's pretty good. I mean she dresses

2511
01:55:31,560 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: like somebody who you know.

2512
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:37,800
Speaker 2: Is producer there at the end. That's great. All right,

2513
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:41,839
Speaker 2: We're gonna keep it going, Luke. You gotta be careful

2514
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:45,320
Speaker 2: giving keys to the kingdom to a kid when they're

2515
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:48,839
Speaker 2: too young, Luke, Okay, I know everything looks like toys

2516
01:55:48,840 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 2: these days. Oh god, oh no, no, this is what

2517
01:55:55,400 --> 01:55:57,600
Speaker 2: happened when you when you don't parent, you know, like

2518
01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:00,960
Speaker 2: in the modern era, we don't parent, you know, hard enough, Luke.

2519
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 2: You know I try to be a little.

2520
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:04,920
Speaker 1: Old school you hit your kids.

2521
01:56:05,560 --> 01:56:08,240
Speaker 2: No, not anymore. But you know I'm I'm you know,

2522
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 2: I'm a disciplinarian though, just to say.

2523
01:56:11,320 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is gonna be me in like five years, so.

2524
01:56:13,400 --> 01:56:17,440
Speaker 2: I can't have shit absolutely all right. Two more for you, Luke. Uh,

2525
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:19,960
Speaker 2: you know, when you become a dad at a certain age,

2526
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,320
Speaker 2: you just got to put gymnastics away because bad things

2527
01:56:22,320 --> 01:56:24,120
Speaker 2: will happen. Let's check out this dad after a couple

2528
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:25,440
Speaker 2: of pops.

2529
01:56:26,120 --> 01:56:28,280
Speaker 1: Oh dad, oh dad.

2530
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:29,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you.

2531
01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:32,720
Speaker 1: Know, dad, it ain't nineteen seventy nine anymore, sorry to

2532
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:33,120
Speaker 1: tell you.

2533
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:36,240
Speaker 2: Now he's got a new at home project to repair. Luke,

2534
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:38,760
Speaker 2: that's great. One more for you. Let's go drunk chicks.

2535
01:56:38,840 --> 01:56:40,960
Speaker 2: Let's go on. I mean, look, you know, everybody wants

2536
01:56:41,000 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 2: to get off the wagon and uh and you know,

2537
01:56:43,720 --> 01:56:45,960
Speaker 2: and get involved, but you gotta be careful on that wagon.

2538
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 1: I can't believe they're white it's so unlikely. Oh god, dude,

2539
01:56:57,960 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 1: that one is particularly good. Wow. I hope the horse is.

2540
01:57:02,360 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, yes, definitely that. The drum chicks now they

2541
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,520
Speaker 2: can be they can be replaced easy, right there.

2542
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, the heifers, I'm not too worried about. Roll that

2543
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:13,760
Speaker 1: video one more time. This is great. Oh look at him, like,

2544
01:57:14,240 --> 01:57:17,240
Speaker 1: m dude. They had the full spine bend on this Yeah,

2545
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:19,480
Speaker 1: my neck and that horse was not having it. That

2546
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:21,480
Speaker 1: horse was like, fuck your life.

2547
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:24,960
Speaker 2: I mean, who took it the worst? It's got to

2548
01:57:24,960 --> 01:57:27,160
Speaker 2: be this chick. Oh yeah yeah.

2549
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:29,320
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the one who went ass over tea kettle

2550
01:57:29,360 --> 01:57:31,960
Speaker 1: who nearly got decapitated. That's the best thing.

2551
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:35,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you want to make a Scorpions cover band. Yes,

2552
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:38,280
Speaker 2: we'reever walking again. That's great. Okay, Look that's the ship

2553
01:57:38,320 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 2: for the week.

2554
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:43,760
Speaker 1: That's all I got all right time now four odds

2555
01:57:43,800 --> 01:57:45,200
Speaker 1: and ends? We see what do you got for odds

2556
01:57:45,240 --> 01:57:45,640
Speaker 1: and ends?

2557
01:57:45,720 --> 01:57:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah? We had his own boxing from the UK over

2558
01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,839
Speaker 2: the weekend, thirty five year old Daniel Jacobs at super middleweight,

2559
01:57:50,880 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 2: the former middleweight champion taking on look a tough, aggressive

2560
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:57,400
Speaker 2: John Ryder and Luke. First half of this fight, I

2561
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:59,800
Speaker 2: thought it was you know, six nothing five to one

2562
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:03,120
Speaker 2: in favor of Danny Jacobs. But credit to John Ryder

2563
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:05,839
Speaker 2: for putting it on down the stretch. Once he figured

2564
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 2: out how to get inside Danny's jab, it was a

2565
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 2: different fight. Rider surged in the second half takes home

2566
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,840
Speaker 2: a split decision in Luke, there were already a lot

2567
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,320
Speaker 2: of questions about what Danny Jacobs has left coming off

2568
01:58:17,320 --> 01:58:19,840
Speaker 2: of that long layoff, the win against Gabrizatto in which

2569
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:23,280
Speaker 2: most thought he lost. I just did not like the

2570
01:58:23,320 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 2: body language of Jacobs as this fight heated up. Ryder

2571
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:28,560
Speaker 2: was putting it on him. Jacobs just didn't have the

2572
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,000
Speaker 2: zip on his punches, Luke. I mean, it's not just

2573
01:58:31,120 --> 01:58:34,640
Speaker 2: a want scenario, because I think at his worst in

2574
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:37,919
Speaker 2: recent years, sometimes you want Danny Jacobs to be more offensive,

2575
01:58:37,960 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 2: to take more chances. I don't think it's in him anymore, Luke.

2576
01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:43,160
Speaker 2: This is a big win for Ryder. He wants Canelo.

2577
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 2: I mean, you know everybody wants Canelo. But I'm not

2578
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:48,640
Speaker 2: saying Danny Jacobs has to retire. But at thirty five,

2579
01:58:48,640 --> 01:58:51,000
Speaker 2: he is just not that dude anymore, Luke. And it's

2580
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 2: tough to see. I always huge respect for this guy

2581
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:55,680
Speaker 2: got up against Triple G. I thought that fight could

2582
01:58:55,680 --> 01:58:58,240
Speaker 2: have been a draw. You know, fought well against Canelo,

2583
01:58:58,360 --> 01:59:02,160
Speaker 2: but be cancer has been an inspirational dude, But it

2584
01:59:02,200 --> 01:59:03,120
Speaker 2: don't look like it's there.

2585
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:06,920
Speaker 1: Anymore, Luke, time comes for everyone, and Jacobs looked good early, right,

2586
01:59:07,000 --> 01:59:09,520
Speaker 1: but then faded down the stretch because that's probably what

2587
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 1: he's got to give at this point. He can be

2588
01:59:11,240 --> 01:59:12,960
Speaker 1: good for about half of it. He can be the

2589
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,760
Speaker 1: old self or something pretty close to it for half,

2590
01:59:15,840 --> 01:59:18,200
Speaker 1: and then the other half he can't. And and you

2591
01:59:18,200 --> 01:59:20,080
Speaker 1: know that's not to say that Rider didn't earn it inside,

2592
01:59:20,120 --> 01:59:22,040
Speaker 1: but you get what I'm pointing out, Like I just

2593
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,640
Speaker 1: don't think you know, Jacobs was relying on a lot

2594
01:59:24,640 --> 01:59:26,680
Speaker 1: of skill at a lot of a lot of skill,

2595
01:59:26,760 --> 01:59:29,240
Speaker 1: but also that skill Marry with timing and taking his

2596
01:59:29,320 --> 01:59:32,080
Speaker 1: time as well to get his offense going at certain cases. Anyway,

2597
01:59:32,120 --> 01:59:34,760
Speaker 1: and yeah, time is closing in on him for that

2598
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of style to work for my odds and ends.

2599
01:59:37,720 --> 01:59:40,280
Speaker 1: By the way, Also, Jamal Charlow getting arrested over the weekend,

2600
01:59:40,480 --> 01:59:42,520
Speaker 1: God who the hell knows was going to happen with that,

2601
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:43,919
Speaker 1: but not not a great scenario.

2602
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's no details too deep on it, but it

2603
01:59:47,840 --> 01:59:51,400
Speaker 2: was a felony arrest for what assault of a family member.

2604
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,280
Speaker 1: That's what That's what the police report was. And by

2605
01:59:54,280 --> 01:59:55,680
Speaker 1: the way, he was arrested not too long ago, and

2606
01:59:55,720 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 1: all for taking money from a waitress and all the

2607
01:59:57,800 --> 01:59:59,400
Speaker 1: chart charges were dropped. I don't know what's going to

2608
01:59:59,440 --> 02:00:01,560
Speaker 1: happen here, but you know, if you're in the middle

2609
02:00:01,560 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 1: of Canelo negotiations, probably not the best idea to get arrested.

2610
02:00:05,560 --> 02:00:09,680
Speaker 1: But okay, neither here nor there. For my odds at NBC,

2611
02:00:09,840 --> 02:00:11,680
Speaker 1: what did you make of Joe Rogan not being on

2612
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,080
Speaker 1: the broadcast? It seemed like Michael Bisbine was put there.

2613
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't know last minute, but seemed like fairly late

2614
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:20,480
Speaker 1: in the game. Now. Dana YUC president afterwards, was asked

2615
02:00:20,520 --> 02:00:22,960
Speaker 1: about it. He said, well, it wasn't a scheduling issue.

2616
02:00:23,040 --> 02:00:24,960
Speaker 1: Rogan could have worked tonight if he had wanted to,

2617
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:27,440
Speaker 1: but he didn't really elaborate on why he didn't. And

2618
02:00:27,440 --> 02:00:29,000
Speaker 1: then during the course of the main event, he was

2619
02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 1: texting UFC commentator John Annik. Now, BC, I have zero evidence.

2620
02:00:33,280 --> 02:00:35,120
Speaker 1: I have not talked to Brendan, I've not talked to Joe.

2621
02:00:35,160 --> 02:00:37,400
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, And you know, you could take

2622
02:00:37,440 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 1: Dana for what he says, but like Dana has, you know,

2623
02:00:39,840 --> 02:00:41,440
Speaker 1: he's lied on the record before. I just don't know

2624
02:00:41,440 --> 02:00:43,040
Speaker 1: what to make of anything he says at this point.

2625
02:00:43,240 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 1: Do you think that Rogan took himself off so they

2626
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:48,000
Speaker 1: wouldn't be a distraction, or that someone from Disney put

2627
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,360
Speaker 1: down a call being like, hey, just let it breathe

2628
02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:51,240
Speaker 1: for one more event.

2629
02:00:51,240 --> 02:00:55,040
Speaker 2: What do you think Because of the nature and tone

2630
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:57,520
Speaker 2: in which Dana handled this, he was very dismissive and

2631
02:00:57,600 --> 02:01:00,240
Speaker 2: matter of fact. And look, from his stance, well I

2632
02:01:00,280 --> 02:01:02,440
Speaker 2: may not always agree with Dana's stances, but look, you

2633
02:01:02,440 --> 02:01:04,839
Speaker 2: know he has those reasons. I get from his stance

2634
02:01:05,600 --> 02:01:08,120
Speaker 2: why he thinks this is all just nonsense and you know,

2635
02:01:08,240 --> 02:01:10,400
Speaker 2: censorship and all that, even if I don't agree with it.

2636
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:15,200
Speaker 2: But the way that he retweeted others for essentially acting

2637
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:18,080
Speaker 2: like this was a giant witch hunt, it really leads

2638
02:01:18,080 --> 02:01:21,040
Speaker 2: me to believe Luke. And and how quickly that narrative

2639
02:01:21,080 --> 02:01:24,800
Speaker 2: went from you know, scheduling conflict to know that's just bullshit.

2640
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:28,000
Speaker 2: That yes, Luke, he was asked by the higher ups,

2641
02:01:28,000 --> 02:01:30,320
Speaker 2: whether that's ESPN or Disney or both, to just say, hey,

2642
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:33,640
Speaker 2: let's sit this one out, Let's let this situation go by,

2643
02:01:33,760 --> 02:01:36,440
Speaker 2: let's let's uh you know, let's let's let it. Let's

2644
02:01:36,520 --> 02:01:38,240
Speaker 2: let it happen. And uh, you know, you saw some

2645
02:01:38,240 --> 02:01:40,560
Speaker 2: people having fun with it, saying, can't wait to see

2646
02:01:40,600 --> 02:01:42,760
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan during Black History Month. You know, maybe we'll

2647
02:01:42,760 --> 02:01:46,320
Speaker 2: have Michael Chandler on again to celebrate it. But uh,

2648
02:01:46,560 --> 02:01:49,440
Speaker 2: it's tough, Luke, because when when you and I broke

2649
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:52,280
Speaker 2: this down after after the Joe Rogan thing on last

2650
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,960
Speaker 2: Monday's episode, we both didn't really get to say everything

2651
02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:57,160
Speaker 2: we wanted to say. But I did agree more on

2652
02:01:57,200 --> 02:01:59,800
Speaker 2: the whole idea that this is censorship and more of

2653
02:01:59,800 --> 02:02:02,880
Speaker 2: a but I also know that, like, look, as much

2654
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:06,400
Speaker 2: as I want there to be some type of room

2655
02:02:06,440 --> 02:02:08,800
Speaker 2: for growth in people who, yes, if a video does

2656
02:02:08,840 --> 02:02:11,480
Speaker 2: come out of ten twelve years ago when they were ignorant,

2657
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:13,600
Speaker 2: you know, I don't. I don't want to see everyone

2658
02:02:13,640 --> 02:02:16,240
Speaker 2: lose at all with it. Said though, Luke, that was

2659
02:02:16,280 --> 02:02:19,480
Speaker 2: some pretty inflammatory stuff that came out. So you know,

2660
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:23,200
Speaker 2: I'm not against the idea of let's sit this one

2661
02:02:23,200 --> 02:02:25,560
Speaker 2: out or let's forcibly sit this one out, just to

2662
02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:27,680
Speaker 2: kind of you know, clear the ear a little bit.

2663
02:02:28,120 --> 02:02:30,560
Speaker 2: You just want everybody to be transparent about it, and

2664
02:02:30,600 --> 02:02:34,080
Speaker 2: I didn't think we were getting full transparency of what

2665
02:02:34,120 --> 02:02:34,640
Speaker 2: really happened.

2666
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:36,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, who the hell knows. I mean, here's this.

2667
02:02:36,720 --> 02:02:38,640
Speaker 1: This is the only thing is like, do I take

2668
02:02:38,680 --> 02:02:42,280
Speaker 1: it as potentially true that Rogan had enough foresight to

2669
02:02:42,320 --> 02:02:45,000
Speaker 1: be like been in a lot of controversy recently. Don't

2670
02:02:45,000 --> 02:02:46,960
Speaker 1: want to take away from the athletes. Let's just let

2671
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:50,000
Speaker 1: them have their thing. Yes, that does sound plausible to me.

2672
02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,440
Speaker 1: But the other thing that sounds plausible to me is

2673
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:54,760
Speaker 1: that Disney was like, no, no, no, no, no no,

2674
02:02:54,840 --> 02:02:56,760
Speaker 1: let this one pass and then he can come back

2675
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:59,760
Speaker 1: and then it'll be what it is. But you know

2676
02:02:59,800 --> 02:03:03,440
Speaker 1: that idea that like, I don't know, when does the

2677
02:03:03,520 --> 02:03:06,560
Speaker 1: UFC whenever they're pressured to do anything by outside parties

2678
02:03:06,560 --> 02:03:08,080
Speaker 1: that they don't want to do. When do they ever

2679
02:03:08,160 --> 02:03:12,160
Speaker 1: get like show restraint. It's just not their modus apparandi.

2680
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:14,920
Speaker 1: They're like full bore into problems. That's what they like.

2681
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:18,040
Speaker 1: So unless someone makes them do something else, I just

2682
02:03:18,040 --> 02:03:20,960
Speaker 1: don't it doesn't sound plausible. But here's the deal. He'll

2683
02:03:21,000 --> 02:03:22,320
Speaker 1: be back for the next pay per view, So for

2684
02:03:22,360 --> 02:03:25,160
Speaker 1: everyone who missed him. Good news, You're gonna get them

2685
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:26,360
Speaker 1: back at UFC two seventy two.

2686
02:03:26,520 --> 02:03:29,920
Speaker 2: Luke, what is your ideal three man team for the

2687
02:03:29,960 --> 02:03:32,760
Speaker 2: biggest pay per views every year? What's your choice? Are you?

2688
02:03:32,920 --> 02:03:34,040
Speaker 1: Does it have to be three?

2689
02:03:34,640 --> 02:03:36,240
Speaker 2: Yes, it has to be well, unless you want to

2690
02:03:36,280 --> 02:03:38,120
Speaker 2: go too, but it has to be two or three.

2691
02:03:38,480 --> 02:03:41,120
Speaker 2: And look, I've been on record saying that even though

2692
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:48,280
Speaker 2: the Annik Rogan DC threesome can sometimes you know, they

2693
02:03:48,280 --> 02:03:49,840
Speaker 2: can get things wrong, it could be more of an

2694
02:03:50,000 --> 02:03:52,920
Speaker 2: entertainment broadcast. And I tend to prefer that. I feel

2695
02:03:52,920 --> 02:03:54,960
Speaker 2: like I know you know enough about it the may

2696
02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:57,400
Speaker 2: that I don't always need to be educated. But I

2697
02:03:57,440 --> 02:04:00,720
Speaker 2: will say that Joe's kind of even see they're kind

2698
02:04:00,720 --> 02:04:02,280
Speaker 2: of wearing on me a bit. I'm trying to figure

2699
02:04:02,280 --> 02:04:05,480
Speaker 2: out what is actually the best combination of everyone that

2700
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:08,600
Speaker 2: we regularly see that should be their big fight team

2701
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:09,360
Speaker 2: moving forward.

2702
02:04:09,720 --> 02:04:11,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's all a matter of preference, because look,

2703
02:04:11,880 --> 02:04:13,320
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I made this point before, and I

2704
02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:16,920
Speaker 1: think it was true for Saturday. Dude. Mma commentary is

2705
02:04:17,320 --> 02:04:20,320
Speaker 1: very hard to do. It's hard to be entertaining for

2706
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,680
Speaker 1: the audience watching at home. It's hard to get even

2707
02:04:22,720 --> 02:04:24,440
Speaker 1: if you were not trying to do that and you

2708
02:04:24,440 --> 02:04:26,560
Speaker 1: were just trying to describe the action as such, it's

2709
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:28,360
Speaker 1: hard to pick up on what's happening in real time.

2710
02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,440
Speaker 1: It takes, you know, not just a very special observer,

2711
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:34,520
Speaker 1: but it takes. It's just even the best ones miss

2712
02:04:34,680 --> 02:04:37,520
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. It's very very difficult to do. So, like,

2713
02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't think that there's any one combination like I

2714
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:42,120
Speaker 1: have some that I think are better. I don't think

2715
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:44,280
Speaker 1: any one is a whole lot better than the other.

2716
02:04:44,400 --> 02:04:47,920
Speaker 1: But for me, Annik, obviously, I'm gonna go Dominic Cruz.

2717
02:04:47,960 --> 02:04:51,600
Speaker 1: I think Dominic Cruz for me satisfies what I'm looking for.

2718
02:04:51,680 --> 02:04:54,840
Speaker 1: And then from there you could probably throw in Bisping.

2719
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,640
Speaker 1: I like Paul Felder as well. I like DC in

2720
02:04:59,680 --> 02:05:02,320
Speaker 1: the right circumstances. I think Dan Hardy has missed. I

2721
02:05:02,360 --> 02:05:04,360
Speaker 1: think Dan Hardy and Cruz probably would have been the

2722
02:05:04,360 --> 02:05:06,640
Speaker 1: best one, to be honest with you, But a Cruse

2723
02:05:06,640 --> 02:05:08,839
Speaker 1: in somebody else is what I would say. And then Annik, obviously,

2724
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, maybe.

2725
02:05:10,480 --> 02:05:13,720
Speaker 2: This maybe because there are things about DC that people

2726
02:05:13,880 --> 02:05:18,680
Speaker 2: don't like, and I think Cruse is really the polar

2727
02:05:18,720 --> 02:05:22,600
Speaker 2: opposite of DC, right Cruz is the nonsense of humor,

2728
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:25,960
Speaker 2: you know, clean cup give it to you. But yet

2729
02:05:26,000 --> 02:05:29,080
Speaker 2: it's really good and really well thought out, and DC

2730
02:05:29,240 --> 02:05:31,400
Speaker 2: is the entertainer who's been there. I think d C.

2731
02:05:31,600 --> 02:05:34,960
Speaker 2: Cruse and Annik might be the elite one. And I'm

2732
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:37,800
Speaker 2: not against. I don't think Joe Roman has completely pasted it.

2733
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:40,920
Speaker 2: There's certain elements that Brogan brings that makes it feel

2734
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:43,160
Speaker 2: like a big fight, and his reactions can be great.

2735
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:46,240
Speaker 2: But you know, I think we are at a point, Luke,

2736
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:50,120
Speaker 2: and we've had this debate before where yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 2: Cris is probably the best pure analyst they have.

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Speaker 1: I agree with that. We do have to get out

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Speaker 1: here because we have meetings and we have I have

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Speaker 1: another podcast for this fucking channel I have, so we

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Speaker 1: got to get moving. But I want to remind everyone

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Speaker 1: thumbs up on the video hit subscribe of course, don't

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Speaker 1: forget Wednesday at excuse me, Morningcombat at gmail dot com

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Speaker 1: will be the email for fan subs, and then Friday

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Speaker 1: is dead wrong. Please get those in. Remember BC is

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Speaker 1: gonna be on Showtime on Saturday. There is also going

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Speaker 1: to be Bellator on Saturday, So if you need Showtime,

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Speaker 1: say again Friday night BC's on Showtime on Friday, Bellator's

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. Excuse me. Either way, you get a double

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Speaker 1: header for boxing and Nima Friday and Saturday. If you

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Speaker 1: you like it, you can keep it. If not, you

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Speaker 1: can pound sand and then of course Morningcombat dot Store

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Speaker 1: for any merch BC. Any final thoughts before we close

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Speaker 1: out in epic Epic Today A show it for today.

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Speaker 2: I love this show. I love our people. We may

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Speaker 2: not always agree, Luke, but we we end up all

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Speaker 2: showing up three times a week to make each other laugh,

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Speaker 2: to make each other think. That's Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I agree, BC. I will talk to you

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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, folks. Don't forget extra credit is coming up next.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk a lot of Bobby Green and Nott on

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Speaker 1: Waycano And thank you so much for watching for Malca,

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Speaker 1: for Showtime, for CBS Sports, for everyone else involved in

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Speaker 1: to you listeners and observers and watchers. Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, May all of your gains be loyal