WEBVTT - UPDATE: Did a Guiness World Record Holder Just Help Crack the Guthrie Case? 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks is Friday, February thirteenth, and there is

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<v Speaker 1>now a forensic artist sketch of the possible suspect in

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<v Speaker 1>the Guthrie case. But police didn't ask for it. With

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<v Speaker 1>that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't ask for it, Robes. But it's coming from a

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<v Speaker 1>woman that we have to pay attention to. But let

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<v Speaker 1>me before we get into her background, what did you

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<v Speaker 1>think about this story? To hear there's a sketch, first

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<v Speaker 1>of all, piques your interest. It's not from police, but

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<v Speaker 1>it seems to add to the nature of this case

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<v Speaker 1>to where there's nothing official and some things are just bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you're right. This fits with the theme of the

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<v Speaker 2>entire past thirteen days, where nothing can be explained and

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<v Speaker 2>nothing can be anticipated, and yet you kind of have

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<v Speaker 2>to consider it all because that's where we are and

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<v Speaker 2>look to have a sketch of a potential suspect based

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<v Speaker 2>on what we see in the surveillance camera and what

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<v Speaker 2>she knows I guess, based on her expertise how to

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<v Speaker 2>maybe kind of see through a ski mask. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know how she did it or how she does it,

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<v Speaker 2>and I couldn't help but wondering after looking at it,

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<v Speaker 2>if this won't be a huge help or a massive distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>There it is. That was my next thing, because folks

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<v Speaker 1>says you're listening to us is early morning here on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>This sketch artist out of Houston put this together yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>It started getting a little pick up in the Houston area.

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<v Speaker 1>But robes, I imagine one authorities might take a look

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<v Speaker 1>at this or my comment on this a rose. This

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<v Speaker 1>is probably going to start making some rounds today.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah. She has a four decade long career and

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<v Speaker 2>has some pretty incredible bona fides, like where you can say, wow,

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<v Speaker 2>this isn't just some random person who says, let me

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<v Speaker 2>try to sketch something. This is someone who knows what

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<v Speaker 2>she's doing and has been credited for solving cases ropes.

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<v Speaker 1>She has one at least line on her resume I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't even know existed. We talk about it all over

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<v Speaker 1>the years. If you've worked in the industry or you

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<v Speaker 1>just see randomly as a citizen. They are all kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of Guinness records. Guinness record for a big waffle, a

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<v Speaker 1>Guinness record for the tallest ladder are the most random things. Ever.

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<v Speaker 1>This woman is the Guinness World Record holder for the

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<v Speaker 1>most successful forensic artists ever. That's kind of a legit title.

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<v Speaker 2>It's impressive. Yeah, I don't know what the competition was like,

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<v Speaker 2>but it seems like she was basically ahead of the

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<v Speaker 2>rest in a field of her own, in a class

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<v Speaker 2>of her own, in a field of forensic sketch artists.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is why, folks, a sketch is not just

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<v Speaker 1>something random by some random someone. This is a woman

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<v Speaker 1>with credentials and has convictions to back it up. We

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<v Speaker 1>are who we are talking about as a woman by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Lois Gibson. That's not some name. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people know, certainly the Hue scenario. They do

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<v Speaker 1>because she's been at it in the Houston area for

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<v Speaker 1>four decades with the police department. She just retired in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty and twenty one. Her record here robes more than

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand, eighty nine sketches. Excuse me, that's an exact number.

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<v Speaker 1>When she retired, she said, I've done five thousand and

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<v Speaker 1>eighty nine sketches. Approximately thirteen hundred have been positively idd

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<v Speaker 1>in cases, and she has over a thousand convictions to

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<v Speaker 1>her name. That is impressive. So when you hear that

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<v Speaker 1>woman who has done all of that is a Guinness

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<v Speaker 1>World record holder, and you hear that, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>nobody asked me, But I want to help the Guthrie

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<v Speaker 1>family too. I looked at those surveillance images robes and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what she's basing it on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know what, So this is something that

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<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people are going to be

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<v Speaker 2>clicking on today. They're going to be looking at this

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<v Speaker 2>sketch as we did. And if it sparks one person

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<v Speaker 2>to say I think I know who that is, they

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<v Speaker 2>can piece together perhaps as what they know about this person.

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<v Speaker 2>This could lead to a break in the case. People

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<v Speaker 2>need to visualize stuff. They need to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>see things for themselves to be able to try to

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<v Speaker 2>put certain clues in place, and that's what police have

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<v Speaker 2>been asking neighbors, people who know people in the area

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<v Speaker 2>to be considering things they wouldn't have otherwise. They need

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<v Speaker 2>someone to recognize this person, and what better way to

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<v Speaker 2>do it than with a sketch.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the problem. Police are going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>say something. They're gonna have to say, yes, keep an

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<v Speaker 1>eye out for this guy or ignore this because there

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<v Speaker 1>is now an image out there that quite frankly robes

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<v Speaker 1>looks a little general.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you what I think the sketch looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>I think the sketch looked almost identical to Carlos the

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<v Speaker 2>door Dash delivery driver, Ibby.

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<v Speaker 1>Dan's it looks like Sweetheart. But I heard a comment

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<v Speaker 1>from someone say it looks like Marco Rubio with the goatee.

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<v Speaker 1>Like it looks like such a general appear. It's of

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<v Speaker 1>a brown skin, maybe Latino man. And look, there are

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<v Speaker 1>some specific and somebody might see that immediately go wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's da da da. But they're gonna have to say

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<v Speaker 1>public look out for this guy or don't because if

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<v Speaker 1>they start getting calls say hey, I've seen the sketch

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<v Speaker 1>and I know this guy you talk about tips, they're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be coming in from everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because I will say it's it's interesting looking at

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<v Speaker 2>the sketch, it does seem like someone who you would

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<v Speaker 2>know like it does it it? Actually? I know it

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<v Speaker 2>does look like a lot of men of Latino descent,

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<v Speaker 2>but there is something specific, and I would say it's

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<v Speaker 2>in the eyes. And the cool thing about this sketch

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<v Speaker 2>is that is the one thing she actually could look

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<v Speaker 2>at in this surveillance video, we do have a very

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<v Speaker 2>good look at the suspect on the front porch of

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<v Speaker 2>Nancy Guthri. His eyes and they are large, or at

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<v Speaker 2>least they seemed large in the surveillance video and the

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<v Speaker 2>way she put it in his face. They are a

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<v Speaker 2>distinguishing feature, and that you know, you know people through

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<v Speaker 2>their eyes. You recognize people in their eyes, So that

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<v Speaker 2>that is the one thing that maybe gives me hope

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<v Speaker 2>that she did have that to work off of, and

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<v Speaker 2>they are an exceptional part of the sketch where if

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<v Speaker 2>you know someone and you know those eyes, this could

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<v Speaker 2>potentially lead to a break and she's had that happen

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<v Speaker 2>before in her past work, so it's kind of it's exciting. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>we haven't had a lot of things to go on,

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<v Speaker 2>and to have something like this as a possibility could

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<v Speaker 2>be perhaps an accelerant to figuring out this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Shouldn't we assume that authorities already had, like they had

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<v Speaker 1>to have been working on something like this behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe they didn't like it or think it was enough

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<v Speaker 1>to put out there. They didn't want to maybe do

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<v Speaker 1>something like this based on somebody's opinion of what someone

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<v Speaker 1>looks like under a mask. I don't I have to

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<v Speaker 1>think they were going after an avenue like this.

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<v Speaker 2>Possibly, but it's and you pointed this out, It's not

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<v Speaker 2>just somebody, this is the person. This is the skeedule

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<v Speaker 2>artists that you would lean on. It would appear if

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<v Speaker 2>you were to lean on a sketch artist at all.

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<v Speaker 1>And she absolutely did say, like you said, the features

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<v Speaker 1>that you absolutely can see. She says she did base

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<v Speaker 1>it on this. She did try to qualify and said

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<v Speaker 1>I guessed, she said, this is an her Facebook statement.

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<v Speaker 1>I guessed that the parts of the face covered with

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<v Speaker 1>the ski mask on the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping suspect. I

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<v Speaker 1>use surveillance photos shown I spent forty three years at

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<v Speaker 1>a job trying to help detective with similar photos. Only

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<v Speaker 1>things somewhat sure are eyes and part of the lips

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<v Speaker 1>and mustache. I'll take the hit if I'm drastically wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't criticize. Do your own version. Is how she left it.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is I mean, Robes, she's the real I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if there's a random artist or a random

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know Robes because it's her and her background

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<v Speaker 1>that we have been back deep diving and researching because

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<v Speaker 1>it's her. How can we dismiss the photo? How can

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<v Speaker 1>police dismiss the photo? But can this cause chaos? Because

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in the country if they start looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>guy the police say is not the guy? What does

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<v Speaker 1>this do to the case?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know that's the concern, and I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>why she put all of those qualifiers in her Facebook post.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate the fact that she's trying to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>She has a skill set that's been recognized, that's been effective,

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<v Speaker 2>that has helped families, and you can tell based on

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<v Speaker 2>we looked at some prior interviews she's done, she is

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<v Speaker 2>a kind hearted person who wants to help, and so

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<v Speaker 2>I do appreciate that she she put I guessed at

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<v Speaker 2>parts of the face covered with the sche masks, and

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<v Speaker 2>she put guests in all caps, like she just wants

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<v Speaker 2>to make sure. Hey, I'm not saying this is the person,

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<v Speaker 2>but this could be the person, and based on my experience,

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<v Speaker 2>this could be the direction we should be headed in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of who we're looking for. But she she I

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<v Speaker 2>like that said she's the only thing she's somewhat sure of.

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<v Speaker 2>That's funny. That's a funny statement, but she's just being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is stuff she's had to work on before.

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<v Speaker 1>And usually she says roles and forensics and artists is

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<v Speaker 1>what they do. They go on people's memories. So she

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<v Speaker 1>actually has more to go on, at least visually, than

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<v Speaker 1>she's used to doing. It is so impressive and the

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<v Speaker 1>reason she's doing this, there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>in this country who wish they could just pick up

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<v Speaker 1>the phone and make the Guthrie family pain go away

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<v Speaker 1>and Nancy Guthrie be back home. Everybody wants to help.

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<v Speaker 1>Her comment here was that I did this because I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't stop myself. I just couldn't stop myself. I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to help. I felt the pain. And that's word there,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt the pain. That statement is more real than

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<v Speaker 1>you can imagine. Stay here, we'll explain now the backstory

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<v Speaker 1>on this Guinness World Record holder for forensic artists and

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<v Speaker 1>why she is so good at her job. It comes

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<v Speaker 1>from a painful experience decades ago. Stay here, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>We continue here on Amy and TJ. On this Friday,

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<v Speaker 1>February thirteenth, an artist sketch is floating around potential suspect

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<v Speaker 1>in the Nancy Guthrie case. But rodes this is not

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<v Speaker 1>an official sketch, but I believe it's gonna get around

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<v Speaker 1>today and people are already trying to piece things together.

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<v Speaker 1>They're looking at the sketch and then comparing it to

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<v Speaker 1>surveillance videos that have been shown around the area Tucson.

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<v Speaker 1>They said, oh, it kind of looks like that guy.

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<v Speaker 1>And then you saw it and said, it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>looks like the DoorDash guy who got arrested or excuse me,

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<v Speaker 1>detained and released.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, actually because I happened to just see the

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<v Speaker 2>sketch and then he was in an adjacent article and

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<v Speaker 2>I looked at the two of them side by side

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<v Speaker 2>and thought she if she were trying to sketch him,

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<v Speaker 2>she kind of nailed it. But no, it does look

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<v Speaker 2>like the person They detained briefly, and it was reported

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<v Speaker 2>that part of the reason why that DoorDash driver was

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<v Speaker 2>detained was because his eyes matched the eyes in that

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance video. And that is the one thing you can

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<v Speaker 2>see clearly. You can see the suspect's eyes, you can

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<v Speaker 2>see his lips, and you can see he has a mustache.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know if it's a goatee, don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>a full beard. She took some obvious liberty she had

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<v Speaker 2>to take with his hair and his facial hair, but

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<v Speaker 2>she knows his build and wait, so to speak, so

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<v Speaker 2>she can kind of fill out his face a certain

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<v Speaker 2>way and with the eyes look, it's possible that she

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<v Speaker 2>could spark some tip that could lead to the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know, and certainly it's happened before. But I

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<v Speaker 2>did appreciate her talking about it, and you could tell

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<v Speaker 2>when she was speaking about why she did this, why

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<v Speaker 2>she stepped up and decided to draw this sketch without

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<v Speaker 2>police asking her to. She has not only spent almost

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<v Speaker 2>four decades with people who have survived or have been

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<v Speaker 2>a part of violent crimes, trying to help solf cases,

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<v Speaker 2>she herself has been at the center of one.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you make a good point that I read

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<v Speaker 1>so many of her comments and then you see video

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<v Speaker 1>of her making those comments. She does she comes across

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<v Speaker 1>totally different, a like her heart is in it, like

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<v Speaker 1>a very sweet lady. And two, yes, your point ropes

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<v Speaker 1>is because it comes from a place in her twenties

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<v Speaker 1>to twenty one years old out in La wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>be a dancer, wanted to be an actress. She was raped, beaten, tortured,

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<v Speaker 1>left for dead by a guy who was later caught

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<v Speaker 1>and was a serial rapist and murder out there in California.

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<v Speaker 1>She survived that, moved back to Texas, started working as

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<v Speaker 1>an artist on the street, drawing sketches for like tourists

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<v Speaker 1>and things like that. And then she said she forced

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<v Speaker 1>herself onto the Houston PD. She said, there was resistance

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<v Speaker 1>and like, how can you help us? But she did

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<v Speaker 1>a sketch that was a crappy sketch. It was her

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<v Speaker 1>first case, crappy sketch that caught a murderer. And when

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<v Speaker 1>she realized the power she had, and she spent the

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<v Speaker 1>next forty years robes getting back at the guy who

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<v Speaker 1>raped and beat her, is what she said, forty years

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<v Speaker 1>getting back at him with a sketch at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>by putting them behind scenes. And she called them these

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<v Speaker 1>aren't the greatest pieces of art in the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>she said, when I realized that I was addicted. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>addicted to putting people behind bars, I just got chills.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, you know, when you have something personal like that

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<v Speaker 2>that's so transformational and then you can use that for

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<v Speaker 2>good and that's what she realized she could do. That's

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<v Speaker 2>just such a cool story. And you know what, I

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<v Speaker 2>think you found this story this morning and we've been

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<v Speaker 2>googling it. I am with you. I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>going to This sketch that she has created is going

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<v Speaker 2>to catch fire today. I think if you're waking up

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<v Speaker 2>and you're listening to this, go look at the sketch

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<v Speaker 2>and you can start to see because it's not just oh,

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<v Speaker 2>some random person put out a sketch. It's the country's

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<v Speaker 2>most accomplished forensic artist is revealing what the mass concealed.

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<v Speaker 2>Like those are going to be the headlines because it's

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<v Speaker 2>just now kind of percolating out of Houston. All it

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<v Speaker 2>takes is one national outlet to pick this up and boom,

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<v Speaker 2>It's going to be everywhere. And let's hope that it helps.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hope that it doesn't distract. Let's hope that this

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<v Speaker 2>maybe leads folks into the correct direction. But we have

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<v Speaker 2>to lean on her expertise, we have to lean on

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<v Speaker 2>her forty years of effective history with finding perpetrators and

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<v Speaker 2>putting them behind bars.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so curious to hear from police and I just

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<v Speaker 1>what they will say. Will they say, look, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>rely on this or will they say, you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>call us if you think you see the guy. They've

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<v Speaker 1>got to say something because now the public needs a

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<v Speaker 1>direction to go. Are we looking for this guy or not?

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<v Speaker 1>And this roopes there is nobody better. The other note

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<v Speaker 1>about this lady, you're everybody remembers I can't remember the name.

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<v Speaker 1>I apologize, but the very famous World War two times

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<v Speaker 1>square kiss yes the sailor right, yes, dipping the woman

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<v Speaker 1>and kissing. Can't remember that that sailor. It was a sailor,

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<v Speaker 1>not a soldier. I believe. I believe it was a sailor,

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<v Speaker 1>most famous, one of the most famous photos of the war.

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<v Speaker 1>She later on did the work to help confirm who

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<v Speaker 1>it was in that picture through forensics over the This

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<v Speaker 1>happened in recent years because she had to match up

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<v Speaker 1>who that person was with faces and features and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 1>She was a part of that case. I'm saying, this

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<v Speaker 1>woman is legit. Well, every show you can think of

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<v Speaker 1>America's most wanted, all that stuff, been there, done that,

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<v Speaker 1>She's done it all.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, so with that history, with that resume.

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<v Speaker 1>Why shouldn't we listen to that?

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<v Speaker 2>You'd have to think that the FBI and police there

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<v Speaker 2>in Tucson are going to welcome her stepping in and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome her expertise and maybe you know what. They have

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<v Speaker 2>had thirteen thousand tips come in since February first, this

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<v Speaker 2>is day thirteen of the search. They've been a little

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<v Speaker 2>distracted in the sense that they have been chasing down

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<v Speaker 2>hunting down tips. Maybe they haven't had the time or

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<v Speaker 2>the wherewithal, or the resources necessarily to even consider ringing

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<v Speaker 2>in a sketch artist. Yes, they've been doing forensics with

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<v Speaker 2>the surveillance video in terms of determining his height and

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<v Speaker 2>his build and those sorts of things, but maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>just hadn't been something on their mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they say it's not reliable, right, It's one thing

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<v Speaker 1>to go from somebody's memory. You saw somebody, tell me

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<v Speaker 1>what you saw, I'll draw it. But this woman and

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<v Speaker 1>if they might come out and say, yet, look, we

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<v Speaker 1>know this is not a reliable way to go about

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<v Speaker 1>putting and that's why we haven't done it. But they

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<v Speaker 1>got to say something, Robes. They can't leave guy's in

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<v Speaker 1>the country who look like this hanging, because there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of dudes that could fit that description.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and I'm wondering too, like she chose to make him.

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<v Speaker 2>It's interesting. Looks like he could be in his thirties,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe forties, but he looks like a younger man, and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that would be the idea. Just by the way

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<v Speaker 2>he was moving. She was trying to put an age

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<v Speaker 2>on him. But look, it's a very specific sketch. It's

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes you see sketches and they're very basic. They're kind

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<v Speaker 2>of rudimentary. They're almost like an outline of a face

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<v Speaker 2>with a This is a very detailed This looks like

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<v Speaker 2>a portrait where someone sat down in perfect lighting and

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<v Speaker 2>she drew. I mean it's you said that. She claims

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<v Speaker 2>she's not that great of an artist. This looks like

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<v Speaker 2>an unbelievable portrait of somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>And she does it usually from memory, sitting down with someone,

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<v Speaker 1>but this time she had images to work with en robes.

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<v Speaker 1>She is a victim herself. She said that also helps

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<v Speaker 1>her be good at her job. She usually has to

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<v Speaker 1>sit across from someone in pain, recalling one of the

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<v Speaker 1>most traumatic things in their life. She said that pain

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<v Speaker 1>that she feels she relates to, and it makes her

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<v Speaker 1>good at a job. She's doing it once again. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't wait to see how this works out ropes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it'll be very interesting to hear if and when

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<v Speaker 2>the police comment on this sketch, which again is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be everywhere today, So we will keep you updated

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<v Speaker 2>on any new developments in the Guth three case and

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<v Speaker 2>certainly any breaking news throughout the day. You can always

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<v Speaker 2>we thank you as always for listening to us. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Amy Robock alongside TJ. Holmes. We will talk to you

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<v Speaker 2>very soon. The two ens