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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks is Friday, February thirteenth, and there is

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Speaker 1: now a forensic artist sketch of the possible suspect in

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Speaker 1: the Guthrie case. But police didn't ask for it. With

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Speaker 1: that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. They

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Speaker 1: didn't ask for it, Robes. But it's coming from a

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Speaker 1: woman that we have to pay attention to. But let

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Speaker 1: me before we get into her background, what did you

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Speaker 1: think about this story? To hear there's a sketch, first

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Speaker 1: of all, piques your interest. It's not from police, but

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Speaker 1: it seems to add to the nature of this case

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Speaker 1: to where there's nothing official and some things are just bizarre.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you're right. This fits with the theme of the

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Speaker 2: entire past thirteen days, where nothing can be explained and

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Speaker 2: nothing can be anticipated, and yet you kind of have

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Speaker 2: to consider it all because that's where we are and

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Speaker 2: look to have a sketch of a potential suspect based

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Speaker 2: on what we see in the surveillance camera and what

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Speaker 2: she knows I guess, based on her expertise how to

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Speaker 2: maybe kind of see through a ski mask. I don't

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Speaker 2: know how she did it or how she does it,

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Speaker 2: and I couldn't help but wondering after looking at it,

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Speaker 2: if this won't be a huge help or a massive distraction.

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Speaker 1: There it is. That was my next thing, because folks

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Speaker 1: says you're listening to us is early morning here on Friday.

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Speaker 1: This sketch artist out of Houston put this together yesterday.

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Speaker 1: It started getting a little pick up in the Houston area.

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Speaker 1: But robes, I imagine one authorities might take a look

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Speaker 1: at this or my comment on this a rose. This

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. She has a four decade long career and

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Speaker 2: has some pretty incredible bona fides, like where you can say, wow,

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Speaker 2: this isn't just some random person who says, let me

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Speaker 2: try to sketch something. This is someone who knows what

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Speaker 2: she's doing and has been credited for solving cases ropes.

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Speaker 1: She has one at least line on her resume I

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Speaker 1: didn't even know existed. We talk about it all over

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Speaker 1: the years. If you've worked in the industry or you

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Speaker 1: just see randomly as a citizen. They are all kinds

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Speaker 1: of Guinness records. Guinness record for a big waffle, a

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Speaker 1: Guinness record for the tallest ladder are the most random things. Ever.

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Speaker 1: This woman is the Guinness World Record holder for the

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Speaker 1: most successful forensic artists ever. That's kind of a legit title.

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Speaker 2: It's impressive. Yeah, I don't know what the competition was like,

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Speaker 2: but it seems like she was basically ahead of the

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Speaker 2: rest in a field of her own, in a class

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Speaker 2: of her own, in a field of forensic sketch artists.

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Speaker 1: So this is why, folks, a sketch is not just

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Speaker 1: something random by some random someone. This is a woman

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Speaker 1: are who we are talking about as a woman by

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Speaker 1: the name of Lois Gibson. That's not some name. A

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Speaker 1: lot of people know, certainly the Hue scenario. They do

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Speaker 1: because she's been at it in the Houston area for

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Speaker 1: four decades with the police department. She just retired in

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Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one. Her record here robes more than

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Speaker 1: five thousand, eighty nine sketches. Excuse me, that's an exact number.

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Speaker 1: When she retired, she said, I've done five thousand and

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Speaker 1: eighty nine sketches. Approximately thirteen hundred have been positively idd

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Speaker 1: her name. That is impressive. So when you hear that

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Speaker 1: World record holder, and you hear that, you know what,

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Speaker 1: nobody asked me, But I want to help the Guthrie

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Speaker 1: family too. I looked at those surveillance images robes and

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Speaker 1: that's what she's basing it on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, So this is something that

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are going to be

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Speaker 2: sketch as we did. And if it sparks one person

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Speaker 2: This could lead to a break in the case. People

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Speaker 2: put certain clues in place, and that's what police have

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Speaker 2: been asking neighbors, people who know people in the area

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Speaker 1: So here's the problem. Police are going to have to

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Speaker 2: Can I tell you what I think the sketch looked like.

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Speaker 2: I think the sketch looked almost identical to Carlos the

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Speaker 1: Dan's it looks like Sweetheart. But I heard a comment

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Speaker 1: Like it looks like such a general appear. It's of

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Speaker 2: Yes, because I will say it's it's interesting looking at

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Speaker 2: the sketch, it does seem like someone who you would

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Speaker 2: does look like a lot of men of Latino descent,

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Speaker 2: but there is something specific, and I would say it's

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Speaker 2: at in this surveillance video, we do have a very

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Speaker 2: Nancy Guthri. His eyes and they are large, or at

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Speaker 2: least they seemed large in the surveillance video and the

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Speaker 2: distinguishing feature, and that you know, you know people through

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Speaker 2: that is the one thing that maybe gives me hope

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Speaker 2: potentially lead to a break and she's had that happen

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Speaker 2: before in her past work, so it's kind of it's exciting. Look,

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Speaker 2: we haven't had a lot of things to go on,

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't we assume that authorities already had, like they had

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Speaker 1: to have been working on something like this behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't like it or think it was enough

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Speaker 2: Possibly, but it's and you pointed this out, It's not

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Speaker 2: just somebody, this is the person. This is the skeedule

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Speaker 2: artists that you would lean on. It would appear if

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Speaker 1: And she absolutely did say, like you said, the features

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Speaker 1: that you absolutely can see. She says she did base

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Speaker 1: I guessed, she said, this is an her Facebook statement.

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Speaker 1: I guessed that the parts of the face covered with

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Speaker 1: the ski mask on the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping suspect. I

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Speaker 1: use surveillance photos shown I spent forty three years at

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Speaker 1: a job trying to help detective with similar photos. Only

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Speaker 1: things somewhat sure are eyes and part of the lips

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Speaker 1: and mustache. I'll take the hit if I'm drastically wrong.

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Speaker 1: Don't criticize. Do your own version. Is how she left it.

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Speaker 1: But this is I mean, Robes, she's the real I

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Speaker 1: don't know if there's a random artist or a random

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Speaker 1: I don't know Robes because it's her and her background

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Speaker 1: that we have been back deep diving and researching because

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Speaker 1: it's her. How can we dismiss the photo? How can

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Speaker 1: police dismiss the photo? But can this cause chaos? Because

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know that's the concern, and I think that's

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Speaker 2: why she put all of those qualifiers in her Facebook post.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate the fact that she's trying to do something.

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Speaker 2: She has a skill set that's been recognized, that's been effective,

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Speaker 2: that has helped families, and you can tell based on

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Speaker 2: we looked at some prior interviews she's done, she is

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Speaker 2: I do appreciate that she she put I guessed at

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Speaker 2: she put guests in all caps, like she just wants

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Speaker 2: to make sure. Hey, I'm not saying this is the person,

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Speaker 2: but this could be the person, and based on my experience,

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Speaker 2: this could be the direction we should be headed in

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Speaker 2: terms of who we're looking for. But she she I

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Speaker 2: like that said she's the only thing she's somewhat sure of.

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Speaker 2: That's funny. That's a funny statement, but she's just being honest.

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Speaker 1: And this is stuff she's had to work on before.

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Speaker 1: And usually she says roles and forensics and artists is

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Speaker 1: actually has more to go on, at least visually, than

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Speaker 1: Her comment here was that I did this because I

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Speaker 1: couldn't stop myself. I just couldn't stop myself. I wanted

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Speaker 1: on this Guinness World Record holder for forensic artists and

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Speaker 1: why she is so good at her job. It comes

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Speaker 1: from a painful experience decades ago. Stay here, all right,

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Speaker 1: We continue here on Amy and TJ. On this Friday,

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Speaker 1: February thirteenth, an artist sketch is floating around potential suspect

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Speaker 1: in the Nancy Guthrie case. But rodes this is not

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Speaker 1: an official sketch, but I believe it's gonna get around

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Speaker 1: today and people are already trying to piece things together.

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Speaker 1: They're looking at the sketch and then comparing it to

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Speaker 1: surveillance videos that have been shown around the area Tucson.

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Speaker 1: They said, oh, it kind of looks like that guy.

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Speaker 1: And then you saw it and said, it kind of

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Speaker 1: looks like the DoorDash guy who got arrested or excuse me,

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, actually because I happened to just see the

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Speaker 2: I looked at the two of them side by side

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Speaker 2: and thought she if she were trying to sketch him,

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Speaker 2: she kind of nailed it. But no, it does look

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Speaker 2: like the person They detained briefly, and it was reported

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Speaker 2: that part of the reason why that DoorDash driver was

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Speaker 2: see clearly. You can see the suspect's eyes, you can

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Speaker 2: see his lips, and you can see he has a mustache.

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Speaker 2: Don't know if it's a goatee, don't know if it's

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Speaker 2: a full beard. She took some obvious liberty she had

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Speaker 2: she knows his build and wait, so to speak, so

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Speaker 2: she can kind of fill out his face a certain

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Speaker 2: way and with the eyes look, it's possible that she

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Speaker 2: You never know, and certainly it's happened before. But I

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Speaker 2: did appreciate her talking about it, and you could tell

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Speaker 1: You know, you make a good point that I read

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know, when you have something personal like that

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Speaker 2: Like those are going to be the headlines because it's

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Speaker 1: I'm so curious to hear from police and I just

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Speaker 1: And this roopes there is nobody better. The other note

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Speaker 1: She was a part of that case. I'm saying, this

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Speaker 2: And yeah, so with that history, with that resume.

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Speaker 1: Why shouldn't we listen to that?

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Speaker 2: You'd have to think that the FBI and police there

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Speaker 1: Well, they say it's not reliable, right, It's one thing

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm wondering too, like she chose to make him.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting. Looks like he could be in his thirties,

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Speaker 2: sometimes you see sketches and they're very basic. They're kind

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Speaker 1: And she does it usually from memory, sitting down with someone,

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Speaker 2: Yes, it'll be very interesting to hear if and when

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Speaker 2: to be everywhere today, So we will keep you updated

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