Speaker 1: On the Bell Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and
Speaker 1: husbands or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in
Speaker 1: best start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hi,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the Bechdel Cast. My name is Jamie
Speaker 1: Loftus and I'm Caitlin Darante and this is our podcast
Speaker 1: about the representation of women in famous movies. Wow, there
Speaker 1: where we are for episode? What is its one million?
Speaker 1: There's still there's still so it just crazy me the
Speaker 1: show that has been happening for three years and we're
Speaker 1: still like, not even remotely through influential movies. There's so
Speaker 1: many left. I'm surprised it took us this long to
Speaker 1: get to this one today. I think this is the
Speaker 1: first time they're recovering a Cameron Crow joint. I would say,
Speaker 1: mercifully hold that as long as humanly possible, but sure
Speaker 1: it's time to take a long, hard look at the
Speaker 1: scourge of Crow. Yeah, because what he's got. Jerry Maguire, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it. Almost famous boring? Right? Aloha offensive
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Town. Not offensive in the same way as Aloha,
Speaker 1: but like offensively boring. We've got the Manic Pixie. We've
Speaker 1: got yeah origins. Um. Anyways, The Bechdel Cast is FAMAS
Speaker 1: Movie podcast. We use the Bechdel Test sometimes called the
Speaker 1: Bechtel Wallace Test too, as a jumping out point for
Speaker 1: a discussion, which is a media metric invented by cartoonist
Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel that requires that a movie have two female
Speaker 1: identifying characters with names that talk to each other about
Speaker 1: something other than man. Can Cameron Crowe do it? I
Speaker 1: don't think he probably not. I think he's ever done it.
Speaker 1: You know, I think that Cameron I really like watching
Speaker 1: We're doing Fast Times at Ridgemont High today. I really
Speaker 1: didn't real eyes the amount that I find Cameron Crowe's
Speaker 1: work to be annoying. Yeah, it's capacity for annoying me
Speaker 1: in different ways knows no bounds. Sure, let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: We have two guests today. We do, we do, Indeed,
Speaker 1: we mustn't delay. They are comedians and hosts of Mall
Speaker 1: Talk podcast, Page Weldon and Emily Faye. Hi. Hello, welcome,
Speaker 1: than you having us Hey anytime. I am realizing right
Speaker 1: now I'm really bad at knowing who made a movie,
Speaker 1: who the director is, and I feel like I didn't
Speaker 1: realize that Cameron Crowe did all those other movies like WHOA,
Speaker 1: What a career, What a legacy? The legacy that Cameron
Speaker 1: crow leaves is immeasurable. And we'll talk about this. But
Speaker 1: so Cameron Crowe wrote the screenplay and then also wrote
Speaker 1: the book that this is adapted from. Amy Heckerling directed
Speaker 1: the film, and I found out that Amy Hackerling was
Speaker 1: my age when she directed this movie, and it made
Speaker 1: me feel like ship made me feel bad but good
Speaker 1: for her, good for her, but maybe feel like sh Sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about your your relationship in history with
Speaker 1: the movie. Uh, page will start with you. Um, I
Speaker 1: had never seen it before. I have seen almost famous,
Speaker 1: I have seen Aloha. You were one of the fourteen
Speaker 1: people that saw Aloha. You know. I saw it as
Speaker 1: a goof at that two dollar theater and it was
Speaker 1: so it was like bad in ways I had not expected.
Speaker 1: It was like I was confused during it. I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was happening. I had never seen Past Times
Speaker 1: a Ridgemont High. I feel like it was a classic
Speaker 1: that just I skipped for whatever reason. And Emily suggested
Speaker 1: as a very like mole movie. Um, and I watched
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago for the very first time. Okay, also, Emily,
Speaker 1: that brings to you. I saw it when I was
Speaker 1: like younger. I think probably like twice, like once when
Speaker 1: I was like younger, younger once it's like a teenager.
Speaker 1: I could be absolutely wrong about this, but I could
Speaker 1: be mixing up with something else. I have the memory
Speaker 1: that maybe my mom recommended I watched it potentially is
Speaker 1: like like maybe remembered it as like one of those
Speaker 1: like classic eighties movies and not you know, but I
Speaker 1: I could also be wrong on that. But I really
Speaker 1: liked it. And then I hadn't seen it in years,
Speaker 1: and I rewatched it last night. Um And I had
Speaker 1: remembered so little about It's a wild watch. I had
Speaker 1: seen it at least one I think once before, probably
Speaker 1: in college, because I was like, oh, you know, that's
Speaker 1: one of those iconic movies that you know, I have
Speaker 1: to see. I didn't remember a single thing from it
Speaker 1: except for like Jeff Spiccoli being like a stoner surfer dude.
Speaker 1: Like that was the one thing, the one aspect of
Speaker 1: it that I remembered, and nothing else. It all registered
Speaker 1: in my memory. So when I watched it again a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago, I was just like, oh wait,
Speaker 1: Jennifer Jason Lee is in this, Judge Reinhold is in this.
Speaker 1: Judge Reinhold is extremely in this, and you didn't remember,
Speaker 1: like what the story was. The Force Whittaker is in
Speaker 1: this movie. Nick Cage who is credited as Nicholas Coppola
Speaker 1: before he was like, oh wait, nepotism maybe a bad
Speaker 1: look for me. It is, so yeah, I don't have
Speaker 1: a long history with this at all, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: there it is. I hadn't seen it either. I just
Speaker 1: don't live as if you've been listening to the Cheffer.
Speaker 1: While I just don't like movie most movies released in
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. It's a time and culture that I
Speaker 1: find very weird. It's pretty toxic time and annoying that
Speaker 1: in like the early two thousands are like two times
Speaker 1: that you're just like, ah, yeah, it's a very Republican
Speaker 1: presidency going on right now. Um, So you know, I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen it. Now I can't say that anymore, and
Speaker 1: that's my I did wish I had seen it when
Speaker 1: I was younger, because I felt like I kept watching
Speaker 1: it and being like, honey, no, don't I want to
Speaker 1: stay up top. I do like this movie. I think
Speaker 1: it's a good movie, and I don't like most eighties movies.
Speaker 1: I don't like John Hughes movies, but this one feels
Speaker 1: different in a way that I think I kind of
Speaker 1: think it holds up. Honestly, I think there's parts of it,
Speaker 1: some parts they did do and then others really don't
Speaker 1: um and we'll talk about them. But I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're comparing this movie to other, like comparable mainstream eighties
Speaker 1: teen comedies, I would say the most notable of those
Speaker 1: are things like Revenge of the Nerds, sixteen Candles, Breakfast Club, Porkis,
Speaker 1: like are so flagrantly problematic and toxic and horrible that
Speaker 1: fast times. The Ridgemont High does feel a little bit
Speaker 1: more progressive, but there are still it felt like reeler,
Speaker 1: which makes sense because it's like based on camera, like
Speaker 1: the backstories that Cameron Crow under cover actually based on
Speaker 1: his experiences on girls. A weird man. He's a weird man,
Speaker 1: but I guess he was young enough. He was like
Speaker 1: in his early twenties and he went to high school
Speaker 1: and he wrote about the I think it was in
Speaker 1: Santa Something Claremont, San Diego, Dimont High in San Diego.
Speaker 1: He yeah, he went undercover with like in participation with
Speaker 1: the school's administration, like they know what they knew what
Speaker 1: was happening ing. Uh. He went undercover originally with the
Speaker 1: intention of writing like a nonfiction book, but then it
Speaker 1: turned and then he turned it into a novel as
Speaker 1: he was never been kissing in in San Diego. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then that book was published in eighty one, and
Speaker 1: then the film adaptation came out in eighty two. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it was like bought as a movie before the
Speaker 1: book even like came at Cameron Crowe was a hot
Speaker 1: property at this at this time because he was like
Speaker 1: he started writing for Rolling Stone when he was sixteen,
Speaker 1: and that's what Almost Famous is about. And there's I
Speaker 1: don't know, he was like a little young writer prodigy
Speaker 1: um that everyone was really excited about. And then Elizabeth
Speaker 1: Town came out and that's just sort of the story
Speaker 1: of this. I forgot to say, I hate Elizabeth Town.
Speaker 1: Actually really loved Almost Famous growing up, and now the
Speaker 1: way you guys are talking about it, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think most people do. I just find it. I
Speaker 1: just say, who came? I really liked it, and then
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I don't know what changed in me,
Speaker 1: but I just I don't know. I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: like it now. I also didn't know a camera crew
Speaker 1: also wrote and directed say anything, which I have not. Oh,
Speaker 1: that's that's when we must cover it. So I know
Speaker 1: that's like on the must he's yeah, he's where isn't he?
Speaker 1: But there? I do like it feels like this movie
Speaker 1: is like written. It feels more authentic than other eighties
Speaker 1: high school movies, which like yeah, because it's based on
Speaker 1: at least some kernels of stuff that he witnessed. Um,
Speaker 1: so a lot of it was like I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're it's, it's it's there's there's a lot
Speaker 1: going on. Should we should we talk about it? Let's
Speaker 1: dive into the recap, so we meet some teens who
Speaker 1: have jobs at the Ridgemont Mall. Oh, I should also say,
Speaker 1: I think hard of the Other reason I watched the
Speaker 1: first time when I was younger is because the exterior
Speaker 1: of the mall is my childhood mall. No, that's not
Speaker 1: the interior, but the exterior shots are the Santa Monica plays,
Speaker 1: So that was big to me. Okay, having your mom
Speaker 1: featured in a prominent movie is a moment. That's I'm
Speaker 1: thrilled for you. That's really exciting. It is so weird
Speaker 1: how many movies they shoot the exterior mall is different
Speaker 1: from the interior mall. Now, are any of the malls
Speaker 1: the Glendelle Galeria our favorite mall on the Pactol cast,
Speaker 1: of course it's well not the Americana Well, okay, I
Speaker 1: you know, America Guy is a pretentious elitist ship whole
Speaker 1: without sand there. I there's the Dungan dunnuts is. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're the like there, beautiful partnership, symbiotic relationship. The many
Speaker 1: things I love about Mantonka is um, they don't choose
Speaker 1: between the America Ga there. We don't compare beautiful women,
Speaker 1: beautiful powerful women don't need to be compared their neighbors.
Speaker 1: And that's see I'm die hard. Glendelle Galleria stand they
Speaker 1: have and we can't take that away true anyway. So
Speaker 1: the mall is where they work, and we meet Mark
Speaker 1: Ratner a k rat He works at the movie theater.
Speaker 1: His pal Mike Demone scalps concert tickets for a living
Speaker 1: across the way Stacy. That's Jennifer Jason Lee and her
Speaker 1: friend Linda Phoebe Kates work at a pizza place. We
Speaker 1: see Stacy gets hit on by an older guy. She
Speaker 1: tells him that she is nineteen. We find out that
Speaker 1: she's actually fifteen, he's twenty six. They exchange numbers. Oh honey,
Speaker 1: no moment. Yeah. We meet Brad Judge Reinholtz character. He
Speaker 1: works at a burger joint. And then we meet Jeff
Speaker 1: Spicoli Sean Penn of course, and he is a stoner
Speaker 1: surfer dude who just kind of hangs around sound and
Speaker 1: he seems to not wear a shirt very often. Classic
Speaker 1: San Diego, right, and then we cut to Ridgemont High
Speaker 1: where there are fast times. Um. Brad seems kind of
Speaker 1: like a big man on campus. He's got a cool car.
Speaker 1: Spicoli is stoned and he's late to us history class
Speaker 1: with Mr Hand who gives him a hard time. Then
Speaker 1: we cut this Mr Hand or Mr Ham Mr Hand.
Speaker 1: Really the cracks are starting to show. I wonder if
Speaker 1: his name that character like the real person it has
Speaker 1: a name that is similar or something. Yeah, like he
Speaker 1: just was lazy about changing it to something could be.
Speaker 1: Then we see Stacy and Linda lunch. They're talking about sex.
Speaker 1: Linda is more sexually experienced than Stay. She's also a senior.
Speaker 1: Stacy is an incoming ashman. Linda is a senior. I
Speaker 1: believe Mike is a senior, whereas Mark Ratner is also
Speaker 1: a freshman. Right, And I do like the like when
Speaker 1: to a two year age difference feels like gigantic and
Speaker 1: seeing that as always, I love the Phoebe Kate's character
Speaker 1: because it's so she's so absurd. It's like she's, yeah,
Speaker 1: she seems more experienced, sure, but she's like that is
Speaker 1: such a real person who's just like lying about like, oh,
Speaker 1: totally totally. I know how to do. I definitely have
Speaker 1: a fiance, but he just lives somewhere else. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I know everything and I'm going to teach you. I
Speaker 1: was shocked that there was confirmation in story that her
Speaker 1: I thought the twist was going to be that her
Speaker 1: boyfriend wasn't real because like she's I feel like it's
Speaker 1: set up like he might not know. She's like, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not around, he's older, and then he sends her
Speaker 1: a letter at the end. I'm like, how old is
Speaker 1: he well that I feel like it's so clear that
Speaker 1: it's like this man that she thinks is like this
Speaker 1: thing to and he's like he's just so dumb in
Speaker 1: her own way about it's sadder than I see. I
Speaker 1: think she wrote that letter as part of her bruise.
Speaker 1: Sam's a scamp. I Like there's like those little moments
Speaker 1: to where she like they're talking about like, oh, do
Speaker 1: you come every time you have sex? And she's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're seventeen, yes, okay. So then meanwhile Rat
Speaker 1: is developing a crush on Stacy. They have biology class together,
Speaker 1: and but Stacy goes on a date with that twenty
Speaker 1: six year old guy. They have sex a k a.
Speaker 1: A statutory rape happens, and then which is like very
Speaker 1: much written like kind of eighties style dodge where he's
Speaker 1: like you're actually nineteen, right, and she's like, ah, Hi.
Speaker 1: Questions about that part two, which is if he's six,
Speaker 1: why doesn't he have a home? They can to where
Speaker 1: is that point? I was so overwhelmed by the rape
Speaker 1: that I didn't I was like, oh, yeah, he doesn't live,
Speaker 1: Like what is that? Maybe he's like married or something?
Speaker 1: Where God, yeah, that entire I mean, that's like one
Speaker 1: of the worst, like because you go to like a
Speaker 1: baseball dugout and it's a wild like that's been the
Speaker 1: pretty much the beginning of the movie. Yeah. So it's
Speaker 1: very very jarring. Yeah yeah, and the movie doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to think that much of it. It's like one of
Speaker 1: those very weird, like culturally dissonant like, oh, this was
Speaker 1: not a big deal, like it happens. Yeah. Um. He
Speaker 1: sends her flowers after this, but then he never calls
Speaker 1: her again. She never hears from him after that. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: we get this reveal that Stacy and Brad are brother
Speaker 1: and sister. Oh my goodness. Brad, he's having a tough time.
Speaker 1: He gets fired from his job, and then his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: who he was intending to break up with, breaks up
Speaker 1: with him first, citing the exact same reason that he
Speaker 1: was going to use. Then Rat asks Stacy out and
Speaker 1: they go out to dinner. She takes them back to
Speaker 1: her house. They start kissing and she tries to take
Speaker 1: things a little further, but he is visibly not comfortable
Speaker 1: with going any further, so he makes an excuse and leaves.
Speaker 1: He's not like the other boys. He's not nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk about a little bit um. And
Speaker 1: then we see Spole is getting in trouble at school.
Speaker 1: He's dreaming about being a surf champion. He's driving Forest
Speaker 1: Whitaker's car around like the big football stars, and his
Speaker 1: car is a big deal. Car is a big deal,
Speaker 1: but Speccoli crashes it, and in order to like make
Speaker 1: it so he doesn't get in trouble, he makes it
Speaker 1: seem like the rival school that they're about to have
Speaker 1: a big football game with like messed up Forest Whittaker's
Speaker 1: car right before the big game. Meanwhile, Stacy isn't sure
Speaker 1: if Rat likes her, but then he and his friend
Speaker 1: Mike come over for a swim. H Linda is also there.
Speaker 1: Judge Reinhold jerks off to her in the bathroom. We'll
Speaker 1: talk about that home. And I feel like the scene
Speaker 1: that people remember from this movie probably i've seen I've
Speaker 1: seen that scene before and I didn't even know what
Speaker 1: this movie was about. Yeah. Meanwhile, Stacy starts to develop
Speaker 1: a crush on Mike. He comes over to her place,
Speaker 1: they start kissing, they have sex, and then he comes
Speaker 1: really fast and then very abruptly leaves. Then later at school,
Speaker 1: he blows Stacy off, and then sometime later after that,
Speaker 1: she tells him that she's pregnant. Gregnant, She has already
Speaker 1: arranged to have an abortion, but she wants him to
Speaker 1: pay for half of it and give her a ride
Speaker 1: to the clinic, which he agrees to, but then when
Speaker 1: the day actually rolls around, he is nowhere to be found,
Speaker 1: so instead she gets a ride from her brother Brad.
Speaker 1: She's like, dropped me off at the bowling alley, I'm
Speaker 1: going bowling, But then he sees her like run across
Speaker 1: the street to the clinic, so he picks her up
Speaker 1: from the clinic and he agrees to keep her secret.
Speaker 1: He's like, you don't bowl like that? That was his
Speaker 1: rationale behind calling her bluff right, And then Linda finds
Speaker 1: out what ship head Mike was to Stacy, so she
Speaker 1: sticks up for her friend takes revenge on him by
Speaker 1: spray painting Prick on his car and his locker, and
Speaker 1: then Rat confronts Mike about being shitty and like getting
Speaker 1: with Stacy behind his back. Then the kids go to
Speaker 1: prom you gotta at We're going to prom do, But
Speaker 1: I like this one. This one wasn't made that big
Speaker 1: of a deal of it. Wasn't like everyone's like, we're
Speaker 1: all gearing up for prom. Yeah, it's just you know,
Speaker 1: slice a life moment in their lives, some teens stance
Speaker 1: and yeah, nothing wrong with that's a place for everyone
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, and then Mike and Stacy reconnect at
Speaker 1: the mall. There's a scene at the end when Brad
Speaker 1: is working at a convenience store where he stops a robbery.
Speaker 1: So it's Rat and Stacy reconnect at the mall. Oh
Speaker 1: what did I say? Oh yeah, sorry, So Rat and
Speaker 1: Stacy reconnect. And then the scene with the robbery, Spicccoli
Speaker 1: like distracts the robber and then Brad saves the day,
Speaker 1: which is a very I had to double check to
Speaker 1: be like, did the movie just end? But that's where
Speaker 1: it ends. That's where it ends. We get all these
Speaker 1: like the title cards of like and then here's what
Speaker 1: they got up to after this big eighties movie thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I kind of appreciate it. I want to know what
Speaker 1: happens all. I want to know the day they die.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's the story. Let's take a quick break
Speaker 1: and then we'll come right back for the discussion. And
Speaker 1: we're back, thank god. Putting on couldn't couldn't win another second.
Speaker 1: So where to start? Well, something something great is that
Speaker 1: this was Amy Heckling's directorial debut. As you were saying,
Speaker 1: for those that are not heck ruling heads. She goes
Speaker 1: on to direct most notably clueless, but also, uh, luke,
Speaker 1: who's talking? If you're as talking head, which I am,
Speaker 1: have you seen that? Yeah? I love those movies. The
Speaker 1: babest Kids. It's a kid. The baby's talk honestly, barely
Speaker 1: remember I think that. Yeah, there's a both movies open.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's even a third one who remembers. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of oh yeah, there's like's talking to and
Speaker 1: luk who's talking now? Now he was talking to a
Speaker 1: spelled t o O or okayfirming? Yeah, I think like
Speaker 1: Bruce Willis voice is one of the babies. There's always
Speaker 1: like an opening sequence of a bunch of sperms swimming
Speaker 1: to fertilize an egg. Perfect and then should begin Yeah,
Speaker 1: they should all begin that, because every sect starts ultimately. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to love those movies when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: But I could not tell you a simple thing about
Speaker 1: new detail about you. You've seen every Look who's talking? Um?
Speaker 1: So clueless and look he's talking and a National lampoon movie, right,
Speaker 1: So she's like a legendary director. This was her her
Speaker 1: first feature that she directed, so that's great. We very
Speaker 1: rarely had to cover movies that are directed by women
Speaker 1: at all, especially comedies, especially comedies. Yes, I was surprised.
Speaker 1: I guess not surprised because we live in a world
Speaker 1: where everything's horrible butty society, I suppose would have maybe
Speaker 1: expected a movie directed by a woman to not fall
Speaker 1: into some of the trappings that we see happen in
Speaker 1: movies that are directed by men, most notably the male
Speaker 1: gaze dream sequence that Judge Reinhold has where he is
Speaker 1: masturbating to a topless Phoebe Kates. That was, Yeah, that that.
Speaker 1: I want to spring to Amy Hackerling's defense a little
Speaker 1: bit here by just um, you know, she's twenty seven
Speaker 1: when she directed this movie. It was her first gig. Ever,
Speaker 1: I don't think she was really in a position to
Speaker 1: be pushing back a lot, and she like goes on
Speaker 1: I think to kind of course correct on stuff like
Speaker 1: that train movies like Clueless, But yeah, no, I totally
Speaker 1: see what you mean. Um, that scene is so weird. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I it's the iconic masturbation scene. I didn't realize
Speaker 1: that that scene was a fantasy that doesn't happen in
Speaker 1: the because it was like when I when we meet
Speaker 1: Linda's character, I'm like, she doesn't seem like she would
Speaker 1: just do that because she doesn't. But it's the only
Speaker 1: scene that anyone like can recall top of head from
Speaker 1: this movie. And it's so like I feel like it's
Speaker 1: one of those situations where I'm not going to like
Speaker 1: phrase this correctly, but like where the writing and the
Speaker 1: like cinematography, it's like a little bit dissonant where it's
Speaker 1: because it's like Linda's character isn't like that, But then
Speaker 1: the visual was go way out of their way to
Speaker 1: give you this big nipple moment that was just what
Speaker 1: movies were like. You just did get to see everyone's boobs,
Speaker 1: like I feel like, I don't know, and ultimately all
Speaker 1: the men are made fools up. That is like that's
Speaker 1: the thing. It's not like, oh my god, this like
Speaker 1: out of nowhere fantasy where he gets to fuck her.
Speaker 1: It's like he's jacking off the bathroom. She walks in
Speaker 1: on him, like oh my god, and he's embarrassed. So
Speaker 1: I kind of don't think it's like I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think in context, like in the context of the movie,
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with it. It's just like
Speaker 1: it is when one of those things where it's like
Speaker 1: a NATS the scene that like stands the test of time.
Speaker 1: I think just because that was for a lot of
Speaker 1: young boys who watched it, they did jack off to that,
Speaker 1: and therefore it was what they remember. But yeah, it
Speaker 1: is weird that, like I had never seen the movie,
Speaker 1: but I knew that scene. There's so many like better scenes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like actually, and then the fact that that fantasy, which
Speaker 1: is like very clearly framed as like a dream fantasy sequence,
Speaker 1: is juxtaposed against what's actually happening where she's like getting
Speaker 1: out of the pool in a very neutral, non sexy
Speaker 1: way and she's like in my ears and yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I I appreciated that. So she's not
Speaker 1: like her character by the judge Reine horn character is
Speaker 1: like made like a sexy meal of by just like
Speaker 1: his horny teen brain. And also they are the sage,
Speaker 1: which is because she's a senior too, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not like his like little sisters like best freshman friend.
Speaker 1: It's like they're both seventeen. Yeah, yeah, it's I don't
Speaker 1: even know how to, like, I guess, articulate exactly why
Speaker 1: it's like to me because it's like in the story
Speaker 1: it makes sense, but something about it is just I
Speaker 1: don't know, I mean, just the choice to include it,
Speaker 1: it all in the way that it is included, the
Speaker 1: way that it's it's a very eight decision. Yes. And
Speaker 1: also just like the way female nudity is treated in
Speaker 1: this movie is so of its time of like you
Speaker 1: see a lot of female nudity, and I mean you
Speaker 1: see you know, Sean Penn shirtless, but it's not that
Speaker 1: like I feel like that's just sort of starting to
Speaker 1: happen like now ish in like shows like Euphoria, where
Speaker 1: it's like in shows about teen sexuality, you never see
Speaker 1: male nudity really at all, and it's this like taboo
Speaker 1: thing still um where like in this movie you see
Speaker 1: like both female lead characters almost fully nude. When you
Speaker 1: see fully nude and Jennifer Jason Lee and then you
Speaker 1: see Phoebe kids almost nude, and with the men, it's
Speaker 1: like that's just not an expectation that people had this.
Speaker 1: I was actually thinking of euphoria while I was watching this,
Speaker 1: and how well just in the sense where I was like,
Speaker 1: there is like a fair amount of like boobs, but
Speaker 1: like euphoria is like if we're talking worse but DICKI.
Speaker 1: But also when they show boobs it's like in a
Speaker 1: doggy style, like you know whatever, it's more gazy. Where
Speaker 1: is this? I feel like, I don't know. This is
Speaker 1: almost just like a result of the time that's just like,
Speaker 1: so we'll have the part of the movie where we
Speaker 1: show the main characters boobs, like I kind of feel
Speaker 1: like the Jennifer Jason Lee like when her boobs are out,
Speaker 1: it's like fairly sexual. I don't know, it's well, she's
Speaker 1: pretty sex she is, but there's I don't know the
Speaker 1: way where I just I was thinking about this show
Speaker 1: that was made literally this year that is also supposed
Speaker 1: to be teens having sex. It was like so sexual,
Speaker 1: I guess what I like about you for it because
Speaker 1: I don't like, I mean, there's whatever it shows fine,
Speaker 1: but like the at least it's like equal opportunity nudity
Speaker 1: where it's just like this is like like it also
Speaker 1: I feel like kind of speaks to like who they're
Speaker 1: making the movie for. You know, it's just like catering
Speaker 1: to male gaze stuff, and like the female guys are
Speaker 1: the straight and gas or whatever is like not really
Speaker 1: like you get Sean Penn's abs a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but other than that, it's like the women are when
Speaker 1: we're sexualized because character are we supposed to think he's
Speaker 1: like a hot guy? That question? Think you see him,
Speaker 1: he's like the surfer dude and he has like the
Speaker 1: hot babes at the beach and I'm like, well that's
Speaker 1: another Yeah, that's that's about him. Yeah, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't think so, Okay, that's a relief. Take a question.
Speaker 1: I kind of do you think any of the guys
Speaker 1: in it are actually supposed to be like someone that
Speaker 1: we're supposed to think of as hunky? I don't know,
Speaker 1: because Brad is always just kind of like keeps being
Speaker 1: put in this position where he just keeps like kind
Speaker 1: of being a loser. Yeah, and then at the beginning
Speaker 1: I think he's supposed to and then they starting downhill,
Speaker 1: and then like Mike Damon is such a cartoonishly's ball,
Speaker 1: and then Mark Ratner just such a like sweet like nerd. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the thing I do like about
Speaker 1: this movie is and and talking about how it feels
Speaker 1: realistic to being a teenager. Is things like the fact
Speaker 1: that losing your cool job just completely ruins your status,
Speaker 1: like little tiny things just like ruin you. When in
Speaker 1: the beginning he's going to break up with his girlfriend,
Speaker 1: he's like, I'm a successful guy, and he's like he
Speaker 1: cooks the burgers in a fast food joint. He's like,
Speaker 1: I have a job. Going back to the sex scene,
Speaker 1: especially okay, so the first one that we see between
Speaker 1: Stacy and that twenty six year old guy, So, okay,
Speaker 1: it is a statutory rape. She is underage. The movie
Speaker 1: excuses it by like him thinking that she is a
Speaker 1: He doesn't think yeah, but she he like barely tries
Speaker 1: to find out. And he excuses it because at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, it's like he's clearly painted as
Speaker 1: like a bad, bad guy. I don't know who does
Speaker 1: suspect that she is too young because he keeps asking it.
Speaker 1: I don't know that I would say it excuses it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know. The movie doesn't treat it like
Speaker 1: that's what that is. And then also another huge issue
Speaker 1: I have with this is that we're seeing we're seeing
Speaker 1: her nudity while the actor, while Jennifer Jason Lee was
Speaker 1: twenty at the time of filming, or at least at
Speaker 1: the time of the release, her character is supposed to
Speaker 1: be fifteen. And I just, I mean, call me a puritan,
Speaker 1: but I have a huge problem with showing nudity of
Speaker 1: characters who are who are supposed to be underage. That's
Speaker 1: the I mean, that's the same thing with you for
Speaker 1: you though, which I mean, I haven't seen that show,
Speaker 1: but every sexy teen show that's ever been Yeah, isn't
Speaker 1: that as long as it's like adult actors, Like that's
Speaker 1: just kind of like the name of the high school.
Speaker 1: I mean, And it's like I do think that like teenagers,
Speaker 1: it like can just like benefit from I don't know,
Speaker 1: like seeing teen sex shows when I was a teenager,
Speaker 1: Like some of it sucked me up and others times
Speaker 1: it was helpful and good. I don't I just don't
Speaker 1: think it needs to ever be Like characters who are
Speaker 1: supposed to be teenagers, we don't need to see them naked.
Speaker 1: I kind of fair, I guess, I never I don't
Speaker 1: know it's fair. But then that's like if we're talking
Speaker 1: about that with that movie, it's also the whole larger
Speaker 1: cultural movement where sexy teen shows and stuff really one
Speaker 1: of the hugest genres right, definitely made me very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Like that scene. I don't know, I I do think
Speaker 1: the movie kind of gives them a pass in general.
Speaker 1: I think that like I don't know, cutting out like
Speaker 1: teen sex stuff in general just kind of like limits
Speaker 1: the kind of stories that you can tell. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could be implied that they have sex, or it
Speaker 1: can be shot in such a way where it's clear
Speaker 1: that they're having sex, but to show nudity, to show
Speaker 1: like what's supposed to be fifteen year old breasts is like, no,
Speaker 1: think that's doesn't I don't think we need that. Like
Speaker 1: most sexy team shows are on the c W and
Speaker 1: they don't show actually right, But I'm just bringing in
Speaker 1: the euphoria thing again. It's like it is the same
Speaker 1: thing as this thing that is happening in two thousand nineteen,
Speaker 1: but even more so. And I'm most most things over
Speaker 1: the years have not showed nudity, and that has been fun.
Speaker 1: That's why we have nine O two and O and
Speaker 1: the other like those sex and not not a tip
Speaker 1: to be seen and that's totally fine. I feel like,
Speaker 1: like talking about whether or not the movie like dismisses it,
Speaker 1: I feel like, um, and I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: just a result of me watching this when I'm older,
Speaker 1: but I feel like there was this undercurrent of like
Speaker 1: the issue of not getting information about sex and sex said,
Speaker 1: and like having parents around like tell you anything, and
Speaker 1: she she purely relies on her friend who's full of
Speaker 1: ship to tell her what she should be doing, is
Speaker 1: kind of the one who encourages it too, and it's
Speaker 1: like she's wrong. It almost feels like she had that
Speaker 1: experience when like another older friend telling her this is
Speaker 1: what she should do. And I feel like it was
Speaker 1: that was an interesting and kind of real thing to
Speaker 1: me of like, oh, you just like don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on and you just trust someone who's cool to
Speaker 1: you or whatever. That's kind of I think the whole
Speaker 1: realism of it is. I think that in this movie,
Speaker 1: it's like Stacy is fifteen. She's basically pressured by this
Speaker 1: friend who keeps going like I have a thirteen, that's
Speaker 1: the problem. You've gotta have sex she's basically pressured by
Speaker 1: this friend into having these bad experiences, which like older
Speaker 1: men taking advantage of younger girls figuring stuff out is
Speaker 1: a tale as old as human kind, and that happens,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't like ruin her. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what's kind of like revolutionary about this movie at the time,
Speaker 1: Like she has this experience, the statutory rape experience, she
Speaker 1: like has sex with this guy who's like a ship
Speaker 1: and like has like an abortion, and then like at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's like, and I know
Speaker 1: that it's kind of aggressive to not like you know
Speaker 1: that it does not acknowledge any psychological effects of those things,
Speaker 1: but also that it's don't it doesn't judge her or anything.
Speaker 1: Like at the end, she's she's like, I don't care
Speaker 1: about sex. I want to have romance, and she gets
Speaker 1: with this guy. Now she has like a nice, like
Speaker 1: fifteen year old boyfriend and is like moving on an
Speaker 1: ant appropriate boyfriend named rat there. Yeah, No, I mean
Speaker 1: I think that there's like a lot of things with
Speaker 1: Stacy's character that is done in like a way that
Speaker 1: it feels grounded and right. It just like the statutory
Speaker 1: right showing it is I feel like I was not
Speaker 1: did not need to see it, and just the I
Speaker 1: don't know, like for a movie that's made for teens,
Speaker 1: I feel like you have to like at least make
Speaker 1: some effort to be a little explicit about like that
Speaker 1: was not okay because I feel like they kind of
Speaker 1: skirt it but it's not. And it's like also very
Speaker 1: possible that like Stacy didn't fully hadn't fully like processed
Speaker 1: it and there, but it's just kind of like left there.
Speaker 1: And then you know what I thinking when I was
Speaker 1: watching this, because I knew it was like based on
Speaker 1: a book, it really had the feeling to me of
Speaker 1: when you watch a movie that's based on a book
Speaker 1: that you've read and you're like, they skipped the part.
Speaker 1: How do you understand? Like the first time I ever
Speaker 1: saw like a Harry Potter movie after reading the Harry
Speaker 1: Potter books where I was like, this is too fast,
Speaker 1: where it almost felt like whenever they would like skip
Speaker 1: over like someone processing or having an emotional reaction, I
Speaker 1: was like, maybe it's in the book. Probably not, but
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know. Feminist icon Cameron Crow, we have
Speaker 1: to assume he addressed it. But yeah, that that whole
Speaker 1: I mean, story point in general is just like I
Speaker 1: don't even I don't even know if it was like
Speaker 1: mishandled as much as it was just not at all.
Speaker 1: It was just kind of like left there in a
Speaker 1: kind of weird way. Yeah, but I think that's because
Speaker 1: the only people she has to talk to are like
Speaker 1: other teens who don't know that it's like a bad thing.
Speaker 1: We never even see the parents, yeah, which that was
Speaker 1: kind of cool, Like I was like, no parent movies.
Speaker 1: Nines is when parents started being characters and stuff talking
Speaker 1: about those like teen shows again, the parents started being
Speaker 1: hot and also becoming characters with their own drama, like
Speaker 1: nineties early two thousand's. I feel like that started becoming
Speaker 1: a horny parents always have an affairs with other parents. Um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then I mean, I I, okay, can we talk
Speaker 1: about that. The friendship between Linda and Stacy, we like
Speaker 1: sort of started to already, but I think its like, again,
Speaker 1: it's like one of those very realistic friendships that will
Speaker 1: happen in high school where you're it's like a two
Speaker 1: year age gap feels like a million years. And like,
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this girl in high school I
Speaker 1: knew named Carrissa that I would have died for her,
Speaker 1: and I like she was sucking genius when she was
Speaker 1: the queen of sex, and I would have done and
Speaker 1: I would have done anything she told me to. I've
Speaker 1: made my dad like drive me to a Bright Eyes
Speaker 1: concert and then drive around the block for three hours
Speaker 1: while I went to the Bright Eyed concerts so Carrissa
Speaker 1: would see me there and think I was cool. I
Speaker 1: would have done anything. And so I'm like, oh, this
Speaker 1: is very much like you know, a girl two years
Speaker 1: older than you that who you would just do like
Speaker 1: anything for, and that I mean, I think that my
Speaker 1: main and I like that, even though Linda like and
Speaker 1: I don't think if I was a teenager watching this movie,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have realized that she's full
Speaker 1: of ship. I think I probably would have just thought
Speaker 1: she was cool. This was also the first time I
Speaker 1: put together that she was older. Oh, I don't think
Speaker 1: when I was younger and watching it, I realized that. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know if I even realize that until you
Speaker 1: said it today, because talks about when she gets that letter,
Speaker 1: and it's like he says he's not coming to my graduation, right,
Speaker 1: and then in the end, thing it's like she's at
Speaker 1: Ridgemont College now living with her Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: but I mean I like that they're like friendship is
Speaker 1: I mean it's based a lot of it's based on misinformation,
Speaker 1: but like good things about it are they're like supportive
Speaker 1: of each other in their weird sex endeavors. I like
Speaker 1: when Linda like super jumps to her defense. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: she's going through the abortion thing is it's not anything
Speaker 1: where anyone passes judgment on her, including her brother. I
Speaker 1: thought was really cool. That's like I feel like that's
Speaker 1: a huge moment. Mostly, Yeah, it's worth just a whole
Speaker 1: other conversation that we can get to. But it's been
Speaker 1: in general like they have, uh friendship that's based on
Speaker 1: misinformation and like maybe like some failures of parenting and
Speaker 1: their job together. And I think my main thing was,
Speaker 1: like I like their friendship. I just like wish that
Speaker 1: they like we knew stuff about them that wasn't just
Speaker 1: like a relationships. Yeah, I also do like and well,
Speaker 1: I have mixed feelings about this because part of it's
Speaker 1: pretty problematic, but um, Linda has a pretty just kind
Speaker 1: of casual, cavalier attitude about sex where she's just like, hey,
Speaker 1: it's no big deal, like whatever, And like I like
Speaker 1: to see that attitude on the screen. Not to say
Speaker 1: that everyone needs to have that, but we usually see
Speaker 1: like girls being like sex is sacred and beautiful and
Speaker 1: I can only have it with my husband, and like
Speaker 1: male characters get to be promiscuous right out consequence exactly.
Speaker 1: So to see you a girl. And we talked about this,
Speaker 1: I think a little bit on a bonus episode on
Speaker 1: American Pie, but the Natasha Leon character has a pretty
Speaker 1: similar just like casual like sex is whatever, it's no
Speaker 1: big deal. Again, just something I appreciate seeing now when Linda,
Speaker 1: part of her attitude is that, yeah, fifteen year old
Speaker 1: friend of mine, go have sex with this twenty six
Speaker 1: year old man. My theory is Linda's a virgin. I
Speaker 1: think Linda's virgin, and she's absolutely I mean they're all
Speaker 1: lying like when like even she's the only one telling
Speaker 1: the truth. No she's not. Because after that Mike thing,
Speaker 1: when Linda's like day last and she's like fifteen to
Speaker 1: twenty minutes and then she's like, yeah, my boyfriend last,
Speaker 1: like and she's like I thought he's a thirty Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Linda's a virgin. But then also like Brad right in
Speaker 1: the beginning when he's talking to the other person at
Speaker 1: work and he's like yeah, and she's great in the sack,
Speaker 1: and then like he turns to her to talk and
Speaker 1: she's like, I don't want to have sex with you. Yea. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Everyone is like, yeah, I think that Linda probably is
Speaker 1: a virgin. I got very strong Mina Suvari in American
Speaker 1: Beauty Vibes, so yeah, and you know, I thought that
Speaker 1: movie but like like that characters are like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: so sexually experienced, and then we find out that she
Speaker 1: is in fact a virgin. Um, So yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 1: At the beginning of that movie, it's not about like
Speaker 1: if it's right for her to have sex with the
Speaker 1: older guy. It's about how do we get him to
Speaker 1: agree to this? Like all you gotta do is tell
Speaker 1: him your nineteen that's the believable age because it's not eighteen.
Speaker 1: Totally believe you, which it's like I never did that,
Speaker 1: but I like, I never actually got to the point
Speaker 1: of having sex with someone because that would have been
Speaker 1: like scary. But I certainly like if a man was
Speaker 1: Florida with me at Starbucks and was like, where do
Speaker 1: you go to college? I'm fourteen, I'm like I'm nineteen.
Speaker 1: I go to SMC. Which it's not like I'm actually
Speaker 1: going to entrap them, like I'm not gonna have stuck
Speaker 1: with them, but it's like you're safe. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know, even if it's not about trying to
Speaker 1: have sex, you do just want to appear older. There
Speaker 1: is just a thing if it's like Okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: go with this, gonna I'm gonna run with this. I
Speaker 1: would go on like message boards and pretend to be
Speaker 1: older and just talk to someone for fifteen minutes and
Speaker 1: then get scared and delete the account. Is a relatable experience.
Speaker 1: Let's take another quick break and we'll come right back. Okay,
Speaker 1: here we're back. Here we are like, oh my GOSHU
Speaker 1: should we talk about the abortion that? Yes, we shall.
Speaker 1: Emily was saying this earlier. I was like very impressed
Speaker 1: with how this movie handled it, especially for like the eighties,
Speaker 1: where like they're like John Hughes wouldn't have handled it
Speaker 1: this well, like they're Johnny has doesn't who like handles
Speaker 1: nothing well kind of Um. I thought it was like
Speaker 1: sometimes in this movie I find it frustrating that they
Speaker 1: just present stuff and sort of have no comment on it.
Speaker 1: But for this like story point, I thought it was
Speaker 1: like really cool where like, you know, she has Stacy
Speaker 1: has sex with Mike, she gets pregnant. She barely has sex,
Speaker 1: which that's god. That scene is so upseting. So she
Speaker 1: like Mike's insigner for two seconds, but he's very fertile,
Speaker 1: which is another beautiful humiliating moment for a man or
Speaker 1: a horrible boy in that movie or them get humiliated.
Speaker 1: Such a cool guy, so funny, like oh he's a
Speaker 1: ticket scalper's a huge loser. Uh. But she like, I
Speaker 1: liked how that scene played out where it starts by
Speaker 1: making a fool of Mike because he's like flirting with
Speaker 1: a girl who doesn't seem to be interested in him,
Speaker 1: and Stacy goes out to him, is like I need
Speaker 1: to talk to you, and he's like, no, big is
Speaker 1: big that she's pregnant. He immediately gets angry and blames
Speaker 1: her and says it was her idea, and she shuts
Speaker 1: it down right away. She was like no. He also says,
Speaker 1: how do you know it's mine, implying like, oh, you're
Speaker 1: probably like sleeping around with a bunch of different guys
Speaker 1: might not be mine. She's like, it's definitely yours. Also,
Speaker 1: don't say it was my idea, And he does take
Speaker 1: it back, and he's just parenting something someone told him
Speaker 1: you're supposed to say. At the older ones just seemed
Speaker 1: like they got some bad advice from someone else older.
Speaker 1: And then they're giving this young and then and then
Speaker 1: she like, he is like, oh, well there. It seems
Speaker 1: like he's sort of like telling her what an abortion
Speaker 1: is and she's like, no, I know what one is,
Speaker 1: and she already has it planned out. Yeah, Like and
Speaker 1: then she's like and I want you to pay for half.
Speaker 1: I was like, that was all pretty good, right, and
Speaker 1: then and then she has the abortion. We see her
Speaker 1: right afterwards. She seems and then like, Emily, you kind
Speaker 1: of brought this up, but she seems like physically and
Speaker 1: emotionally fine, because I think a lot of media would
Speaker 1: have you believe that, like, I mean, an abortion, depending
Speaker 1: on who's getting it, can be a very difficult physically
Speaker 1: and emotionally taxing thing. But it seems like for Stacy
Speaker 1: she bounced right back from it. It didn't like emotionally
Speaker 1: ruin her. She's not like just sail regret and regret
Speaker 1: and remorse exactly. She's And then when her brother realizes
Speaker 1: what is happening and he picks her up from the clinic,
Speaker 1: he doesn't judge her, he doesn't slut shame her, and
Speaker 1: then he's like, oh, you're hungry, let's go get some food.
Speaker 1: Like he just he treats her with respects very sweet
Speaker 1: because it's like he drops her off then like in
Speaker 1: his rear view mirrors sees her run across the street
Speaker 1: from the bowling alley, so he's just waiting outside the
Speaker 1: whole time, which is and then she just comes down
Speaker 1: and because like no one's there to pick her up,
Speaker 1: and then she's just like, Brad, don't tell my mom
Speaker 1: and dad and he's like no. The thing that's weird
Speaker 1: about that is like, um, it's sort of implied that Mike,
Speaker 1: he tries to get the money, couldn't and he couldn't
Speaker 1: and that's why he didn't come, Like he would have
Speaker 1: given her a ride if he but he couldn't get
Speaker 1: the money or something, right, which is like I don't
Speaker 1: know why they went, And like maybe that's another like
Speaker 1: very specific true thing that Cameron Crowe heard about because
Speaker 1: I'm just like I didn't know, because I was like,
Speaker 1: why include that? But maybe that's just I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like he Mike ohs, Stacy an apology and most of all, yeah,
Speaker 1: save the apology I will take the seventy five dollars first.
Speaker 1: But what I also like about the storyline is that
Speaker 1: when Rat finds out that Mike and Stacy had sex,
Speaker 1: he gets mad at Mike rather than Stacy. He's like yeah,
Speaker 1: and then Rat still likes Stacy and wants to reconnect
Speaker 1: with her. He doesn't act like she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: tainted or anything like that. After having I guess thing,
Speaker 1: it's like, nothing is like, oh, she's ruined, right, because
Speaker 1: a lot of guys especially would have that mentality and
Speaker 1: a lot of or even a moment of like that
Speaker 1: slut and then maybe he comes back around. He never
Speaker 1: has that moment right now, He's like, how could you
Speaker 1: do this to me? You are my friend? I like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Rat Rat's book and it's a good boy.
Speaker 1: He's a good boy and likes a classic movie. End
Speaker 1: up with this guy at the end of the movie
Speaker 1: good Boy. But unlike most of the eighties guys, he
Speaker 1: doesn't super suck like because most eighties nerd characters there's
Speaker 1: been like a bit and things written about how like
Speaker 1: in like the like Proto in Cell entitled to women,
Speaker 1: he doesn't feel entitled. He's just shy around her because
Speaker 1: he likes her. And then at the end when she
Speaker 1: gives him that picture of her, there I liked And
Speaker 1: I also liked seeing that like a moment where I
Speaker 1: feel like you don't see in teen movies a lot,
Speaker 1: where like a moment during sex where the boy gets
Speaker 1: uncomfortable and nervous, you don't really and like that's important
Speaker 1: to see too, because that definitely happens in real life
Speaker 1: and you just don't really They're like men are supposed
Speaker 1: to be sexually aggressive and like they never want to
Speaker 1: not have sex. And I feel like that's scene where
Speaker 1: she's trying to have sex with him, it's so obvious
Speaker 1: that that's just what she thinks she's supposed to be doing.
Speaker 1: And she had sex once, so she thinks that they
Speaker 1: see who she is now it's this like vixen, like
Speaker 1: just sexual, and it's so right. It's like clearly that's
Speaker 1: not who she is. He gets uncomfortable, but they're clearly
Speaker 1: both like they both want to date, but they've been
Speaker 1: told that dating or something different. By the way, there's
Speaker 1: another thing. Mike is a fascinating character to me because
Speaker 1: he's almost like a good friend. Like he he brings
Speaker 1: him his wallet at the dinner. He like tries to
Speaker 1: help him out. But even when he does that, it's
Speaker 1: like a failure, like he couldn't do it subtly at all. Right,
Speaker 1: he like totally gives him bad advice. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: a list of the okay, so he gives He says,
Speaker 1: here's five dating tips that begins to rat and I've
Speaker 1: broken down each one. The first is never let on
Speaker 1: how much you like a girl, which means like be
Speaker 1: emotionally withholding not okay. The second one is you always
Speaker 1: call the shots, which is like be domineering, I guess,
Speaker 1: And then the example he gives is kiss me. You
Speaker 1: won't regret it, so it's like coercions. Um. The third
Speaker 1: one is actually wherever you are, that's the place to be,
Speaker 1: so it's like, okay, emotionally manif beulate the woman. The
Speaker 1: fourth one is find out what she wants an order
Speaker 1: for the both of you. It's a classy move, which
Speaker 1: is what cal hot so it's like, you know, take
Speaker 1: away her agency and autonomy. And then the fifth one
Speaker 1: just kind of stupid when it comes down to making
Speaker 1: out put on side one of led Zeppelin five and
Speaker 1: it's like, okay, well, it's like it's very it's the
Speaker 1: same thing that's happening on the other side. What's funny
Speaker 1: is that immediately we see that everybody hates Mike, like
Speaker 1: even in the end when like Rat is confronting and
Speaker 1: he's like, whenever anybody talks shit about you, I try
Speaker 1: to stand up for you. And like when he's like
Speaker 1: always he's always like with different popular guy's being like yeah,
Speaker 1: this guy's my buddy, like whatever, and then the guy's
Speaker 1: just like funck off. And it's clear that none of
Speaker 1: these tips work because everybody hates I forget what is
Speaker 1: Mike's like thing that happens to him at that like
Speaker 1: oh if he works at like write an oh he
Speaker 1: got busted for scalping and now okay, cool, cool, He's
Speaker 1: on the straight and arrow now. I mean in New York,
Speaker 1: kuld have presented with these like two parallel like like
Speaker 1: Stacy and Rat are both like the younger like being mentored,
Speaker 1: and then you have the senior mentors. But yeah, like
Speaker 1: Mike is like bullshitting just as much as as Linda is.
Speaker 1: But on top of that has like this like projected
Speaker 1: fake machiese mo. That makes him infinitely worse. Yeah yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: By the way, this is a total sign note. Did
Speaker 1: you guys look up by any chance with the actor
Speaker 1: who played Rat? Did? Later? No? But I didn't. He well,
Speaker 1: he wrote a couple of for dummies books. Oh so
Speaker 1: not not sorry, not the actor, not the actor who
Speaker 1: plays Rat, but the the real life person that Rat
Speaker 1: character was based on. Yeah, it's like a tech gene
Speaker 1: is and wrote a bunch of like computers for dummies.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I know I remember something about that. I
Speaker 1: forget his name, not the actor, who knows what he did?
Speaker 1: You want a Tony? Good for him? He was also
Speaker 1: how to win a Tony for dumb five. He's twenty
Speaker 1: five in the movie. That's what he looked like when
Speaker 1: he's twenty five years old. Twelve years. I remember when
Speaker 1: I got older and I realized that, like all the
Speaker 1: people in teen Things are six years Okay, why don't
Speaker 1: I look like that. I'm still kind of jarred sometimes
Speaker 1: when it's like I have like a fourteen year old
Speaker 1: cousin and I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what a four
Speaker 1: looks like. On Riverdale, they're supposed to be sophomores. In
Speaker 1: Third they're like twenty eight years old. It's like, obviously,
Speaker 1: this is what we have to do. We can't actually
Speaker 1: have teens. Rat He was based on Andy Rathbone, who
Speaker 1: I don't know who that is, but apparently he's rich
Speaker 1: and famous and is a computer. So um, it's just
Speaker 1: like such a wonderful end for like a high school nerd. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I um, I have just a quick list of so
Speaker 1: you know, this movie comes out. It's like a you know,
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighties teen sex comedy basically, so you know,
Speaker 1: if you are comparing it to things, it's contemporaries things
Speaker 1: like it is. It has funny parts, but it's more
Speaker 1: of a dram kind of not really a comedy, right,
Speaker 1: fun characters, right, and some good lines, but it's like
Speaker 1: I would say, more like good dramatics life of life.
Speaker 1: It's totally pretty light. But also I mean, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: some heavy stuff in it, like an abortion things like that,
Speaker 1: but it's it's contemporaries or things like you know. Again Porkies, Revenger,
Speaker 1: the Nerds, which are super super problematically see either than wretched,
Speaker 1: So it's it's less problematic than those, but there are
Speaker 1: still some like nine eighties problematic things that happen. I
Speaker 1: just have a quick list of them. Uh. Like, there's
Speaker 1: an opening shot of like the kids in high school,
Speaker 1: and one of the kids puts like a little sign
Speaker 1: on the back of another student that says like I
Speaker 1: am a homo. Uh, you know that doesn't get commented
Speaker 1: on or anything like that. There's another moment where Speccoli
Speaker 1: is having his dream sequence about being a surf champ
Speaker 1: and he uses a homophobic slur. There's there's also some
Speaker 1: just kind of like other male gaze shots where uh,
Speaker 1: there's an upcoming football game at the rival school and
Speaker 1: we like some of the girls are wearing shirts that
Speaker 1: say like kill Lincoln on it uh to promote school spirit.
Speaker 1: But like these are like very like headless women of Hollywood,
Speaker 1: like male gaye shots of their chest and their butts um,
Speaker 1: and then forgot about kill Lincoln Eascinatecoln. That's like a
Speaker 1: good I don't think that's high school rivalry energy. Also,
Speaker 1: I do think it's always funny in eighties movies where
Speaker 1: I feel like that was before the cheerleader is a
Speaker 1: popular thing got popular, and so every time in eighties
Speaker 1: movies when there's like cheerleaders, they're fucking nerds because the
Speaker 1: school spirit, like was not cool to have. It was
Speaker 1: cool to not care. So the cheerleaders weren't like the
Speaker 1: popular girl trove which they have there, and those girls
Speaker 1: are just like the spirit squad. It takes a lot
Speaker 1: of vulnerability to get up here and do something that
Speaker 1: you know you're going to be made fun of. So funny.
Speaker 1: Here's another thing that was like what is what is
Speaker 1: this like an eighties thing or what? But Mr Hann
Speaker 1: passes out like his syllabus to the class and then
Speaker 1: everyone lifts up their paper and sniffs it. I don't
Speaker 1: know what that one? What was that? I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what his name was, Mr ham so I
Speaker 1: can't speak too smells like him. I like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have no one talking about the school spirit thing though,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about Charles Jefferson, that is the
Speaker 1: Forest Whitaker character. Um he and his brother are the
Speaker 1: only two characters who are people of color who have
Speaker 1: really any significant screen time at all, and even then
Speaker 1: it's quite low. He's barely barely in it. And really
Speaker 1: all we know about Charles is that uh AN alumni
Speaker 1: gave him a nice car for playing football, and he's
Speaker 1: very protective of this car. We know that he wants
Speaker 1: to take his brother to the Earth's Wind and Fire concert,
Speaker 1: but aside from that, we don't know anything about his
Speaker 1: personal life. He's not given any sort of characterization. Really,
Speaker 1: everything that we know about him comes from someone else's perspective,
Speaker 1: and then in most scenes you see him in, he's
Speaker 1: framed as being this like very agro intimidating person. So
Speaker 1: it just to characterize like the only characters of color
Speaker 1: in this way was a very just like regressive eighties approach.
Speaker 1: And again it seems like this is like someone that
Speaker 1: Cameron crow like observed and and then just proceeded to
Speaker 1: not write anything for the character, which is like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like not really much of an excuse to
Speaker 1: not do that when he is not writing it from
Speaker 1: life anymore. He's like basically on experiences and then adding fiction.
Speaker 1: So it's like, yeah, then like let us know more
Speaker 1: than one thing about the character and don't like ground
Speaker 1: it in these like broad stereotypes. Yeah, for Cameron, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I mean we all know and then he makes
Speaker 1: a loha, so he's not really good. Yeah, but it was.
Speaker 1: It was a delight to see a young Forest Whittaker.
Speaker 1: Forest Whitaker is one of those actors. I'm like he
Speaker 1: was born at Like it's so wild to see him.
Speaker 1: I do think one of the best scenes in the
Speaker 1: movie is um when Sean Penn and the brother are driving.
Speaker 1: I do think that's one of them. That's one of
Speaker 1: the most like comedy scenes definitely, because I mean it's good,
Speaker 1: like the way he gets narrowly avoiding like getting in
Speaker 1: a crash, and that it's just like there, I mean,
Speaker 1: Sean Penn is making some choices. Sure, he's so blonde.
Speaker 1: I just kept doing blonde. And I don't know if
Speaker 1: we've we've recovered a movie that Sean Penn is in before,
Speaker 1: we might not have. Well, for for I would feel
Speaker 1: weird not mentioning that he has a horrible track record
Speaker 1: with everything. He's hit a lot of ladies. Yes, he
Speaker 1: is not a good persons bad and like during this
Speaker 1: time specifically too, is like I think around the time
Speaker 1: that he's dating Madonna and there's just old. He was
Speaker 1: in his early twenties, which is weird because when he
Speaker 1: was dating Madonna, he was dating her in the eighties,
Speaker 1: so this might have been slightly before. But it was
Speaker 1: like there is a lot of stuff. But there were
Speaker 1: times where certain people wouldn't report him physically abusing them
Speaker 1: because he was already almost in jail for hitting other people.
Speaker 1: And just like there was this whole culture we have
Speaker 1: to protect Sean Penn when it's like, no, we don't.
Speaker 1: He's also strange watching him play a character. It's like
Speaker 1: very chill. Yeah, it's because he decidedly not chill. Also,
Speaker 1: I read that he he's famously going method for this
Speaker 1: role and he refuses to go out of character at
Speaker 1: any point on set. He makes people call him Spaccoli
Speaker 1: only not worth it. But as far as method characters go,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is the one I would prefer to
Speaker 1: be around, and maybe he should have just stayed there.
Speaker 1: Like people just go method for like sociopath and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: you can't do this, then you're just being a sociopath.
Speaker 1: This one. It's like, yeah, it's like chilled out before
Speaker 1: I said it again, women rarely go method because they
Speaker 1: would be fired, right, I know, I'm like most I
Speaker 1: feel like when I think Sean Penn, I think like
Speaker 1: fucking Mystic River, like into like where is my daughter?
Speaker 1: Like that's this is not a classic, Like yeah, of
Speaker 1: course Sean Penn. That that's very weird. Yeah, anyways, he's
Speaker 1: a bad man. Yes, indeed, does anyone have any other
Speaker 1: thoughts aside from him being a bad man? I do
Speaker 1: kind of like how it wraps up with him and
Speaker 1: Mr Hand at the end. What a goofy scene, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they've been like adversaries the whole time and it's
Speaker 1: so weird. But it's like comes to his house to
Speaker 1: house prom night, yeah, and doesn't let him leave for
Speaker 1: prom because he wants to tutor him, but that he
Speaker 1: tutors him and then was just like okay, yeah the
Speaker 1: War Heaven, Okay, I'm going to the dance. So it's
Speaker 1: so weird, but I feel like everyone gets kind of
Speaker 1: a nice little wrap up. Yeah. I like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: like we we know Linda goes to college. There's kind
Speaker 1: of like a slight joke at her expense made about
Speaker 1: like she and and she started like hooking up with
Speaker 1: her professor um, which again that like sort of like
Speaker 1: contradicted what I had in my head of like she
Speaker 1: was not telling the truth about having sex, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe she did. Don't think she's as I think she
Speaker 1: has had sex. It has consistently been with like you know,
Speaker 1: this thing where it's like guys who just don't really
Speaker 1: care about her. Yeah, like this guy probably settling offhand
Speaker 1: and she's like, he's my fiance and Chicago, and he's not.
Speaker 1: He has no intention, you know, and so that I
Speaker 1: feel like the professor would follow in that sure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think anything she was doing this like
Speaker 1: a full fabrication. It was just like based in something
Speaker 1: much smaller, you know, all out of proportion. It was
Speaker 1: just like all any character in this movie does, which
Speaker 1: was all experienced. Yeah, I do like that. Um, the
Speaker 1: judge runhold care your Brad is like gearing up to
Speaker 1: break up with his girlfriend and he's like, it's because
Speaker 1: I want my freedom and did, and then she breaks
Speaker 1: up with him first and uses the exact same reason
Speaker 1: for she's like, I'm a you know, and I like that.
Speaker 1: It's like as soon as he gets fired, he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to break up with her anymore because now he's
Speaker 1: like something, and he's like, I'm so glad I have you,
Speaker 1: And she's like, actually, I don't know what ended up
Speaker 1: happening with her. I know, yeah, I don't find out
Speaker 1: what happened to Lisa. But and she like literally yeah,
Speaker 1: she just like tells him she doesn't want to have
Speaker 1: sex with him when he's declaring himself king of the
Speaker 1: world for having a purger flipping job, like it's all
Speaker 1: very satisfying. What habit to Lisa? Camera? Just Lisa. I
Speaker 1: think that's all I really had. Yeah, this movie, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I was like pleasantly surprised by it. It's
Speaker 1: better than most eighties teen comedies we've covered on the show,
Speaker 1: which is saying something true. I mean back to the
Speaker 1: Future I still stay on for and yet we did
Speaker 1: give it zero nipples the bonus episode we did of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's just a very like of the time,
Speaker 1: but also in some respects pretty progressive for the time,
Speaker 1: especially like the way it handles abortion, I mean the
Speaker 1: fact that it even features an abortion at all, I
Speaker 1: mean in a non deferential way, like even still we
Speaker 1: can come on one hand, the number of like mainstream
Speaker 1: movies that even mention abortion let alone like have it,
Speaker 1: and she's in a way better than obvious child. I
Speaker 1: do think it's true because she ends up dating the
Speaker 1: guy that she got an abortion from. Anyways, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think that, Yeah, the fact that we even
Speaker 1: get that at all is is very progressive for its time.
Speaker 1: But then there's just the whole like there being a
Speaker 1: statutory rape and it not being framed that way by
Speaker 1: the movie, and like the teen nudity that I don't
Speaker 1: think is necessary at all. Uh. Yes, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's a little bit all over the place, but um,
Speaker 1: I was pleasantly surprised that it's you know, not as
Speaker 1: bad as some of its contemporaries in terms of like
Speaker 1: toxic eighties mentality. Yeah, so it doesn't pass the Bechdel tests.
Speaker 1: We don't think there's like think, I think maybe some
Speaker 1: two line exchanges. It almost like there's one where they're
Speaker 1: in the cafeteria and they're like, there's four girls who
Speaker 1: are just exactly like pat Banatar this year, but which
Speaker 1: almost is. But then it turns into her being like
Speaker 1: do you think that guys think they're hard? Right away?
Speaker 1: But that is almost looks just like Pata turned like yeah,
Speaker 1: there's four I have tried to pay attention to, like, um,
Speaker 1: if the guy has had any because I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I noticed this too. They don't have
Speaker 1: very many conversations that aren't about girls. Yeah, but they do.
Speaker 1: There are a couple, like I feel like because I
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, the reason why this movie I think
Speaker 1: doesn't pass the Bechdel test is because it about sex.
Speaker 1: It's like, so it's just that's what it ends up being.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I wonder if if the boys
Speaker 1: talk about anything else, and they like kind of do
Speaker 1: I think it in the brother of Forts Whittaker's character,
Speaker 1: like talk about the car history, you know, boy stuff. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: even like the like the title cards at the end
Speaker 1: that like like here's what everyone's up to. The girls
Speaker 1: information that we're given is mostly about their relationships with
Speaker 1: boys versus the boys. That we get information about the
Speaker 1: boys or the men. It's like all about their job,
Speaker 1: which is that same thing from The Royal Ten and Bombs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that they only introduced the Marco is the
Speaker 1: only one going to college. That's true, they do, and
Speaker 1: he's the only one who made it to college. She
Speaker 1: gets a sentence. Um, but yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't.
Speaker 1: It does not pass the bile test. We're pretty sure, right,
Speaker 1: I might might pass a little bit, but yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I mean just because yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like almost and then those exchanges kind of turning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the context of almost every conversation is about like boys,
Speaker 1: one of my there's even you know, like one line
Speaker 1: like Stacy being like I cannot do another summer. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: Stacy says she said something like, um, oh I can't
Speaker 1: keep working here or else I'm going to get so
Speaker 1: fat that no one will want to take me out.
Speaker 1: And it's like I was even thinking near the end,
Speaker 1: it's just like I can spend another summer at Perry's. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think there's maybe a few small, like two
Speaker 1: line exchanges by our very low bar would pass. But
Speaker 1: the context of almost every scene, conversation, storyline is like
Speaker 1: hetero romance and sex checking in with what's going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there you have it. Uh, let's write the movie
Speaker 1: on our nipple scale zero to five aipples based on
Speaker 1: its representation of women. This one, O. God, it's a
Speaker 1: really such a mixed bag for me because like, on
Speaker 1: one hand, like I really like how the abortion thing
Speaker 1: is handled. But I would give this like a two,
Speaker 1: I think because it's still you know, harboring a lot
Speaker 1: of like nineteen eighties stuff. I mean that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's like when you talk about a movie that's about
Speaker 1: like romance and sex, Yes, a lot of it's going
Speaker 1: to be about like what the female characters. What we
Speaker 1: know about them is what boys they like, how much
Speaker 1: they like them. It's you know, it's very geared towards
Speaker 1: like their interest in boys, just by the nature of
Speaker 1: that kind of storytelling. But I don't know, they still
Speaker 1: could have been characterized a bit more. We could still
Speaker 1: like know what their favorite subjects in school, maybe, what
Speaker 1: they want to do when they graduate, what are their fantasies.
Speaker 1: Get to see boys fantasies? Yes, and then just the
Speaker 1: encouragement of like, yes, uh, you're fifteen year olds old,
Speaker 1: but you should have sex with this twenty six year
Speaker 1: old guy. Hate it? Um, So yeah, I'll stick with
Speaker 1: a two. I'll give one nipple to Stacy and one
Speaker 1: to Stacy's mom. She's got it going on. We do see,
Speaker 1: she taught reference. She tucked her into bed right before
Speaker 1: her You do see you hear your parents, and you
Speaker 1: see their hands, you see your faces, your face. Wow,
Speaker 1: She's like, good night mom, and then she sneaks out
Speaker 1: the window. High. Um. I guess I'm gonna go. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna probably be too hard of it, like for listener context.
Speaker 1: Because I just gave Little Women a three and a half,
Speaker 1: I feel like I cannot give this ste too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm going to give it a I think I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give a one and a half. It does a lot
Speaker 1: of things that I wasn't expecting it to do at all,
Speaker 1: do really well, Like I can't think of a I
Speaker 1: think a more like straightforward, effective, non judgmental abortion plotline
Speaker 1: in another teen movie off the top of my head
Speaker 1: at all, Like I thought that was like great, um,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, just kind of kind of echoing what
Speaker 1: you said of stuff that and just like basic writing
Speaker 1: stuff of just like there were very easy non and
Speaker 1: like stuff that wouldn't even change the story ways of
Speaker 1: just like flashing out the female characters a little bit
Speaker 1: more that either Cameron Crowe was not able to do
Speaker 1: or like what whatever I mean, It doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: he has a very coherent understanding of women based on
Speaker 1: his work um so in this in this instance, he
Speaker 1: simply did not try. Um. The same thing was like
Speaker 1: people of color, just like no attempt to characterize them
Speaker 1: at all, which is include them hardly at all, which
Speaker 1: is like the Sophia couple of school of writing non
Speaker 1: white characters, which is just I don't know. So I
Speaker 1: want you're just like that's can't that can't be it.
Speaker 1: But but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: like Amy Heckerling, this being like her directorial debut is
Speaker 1: like awesome, and I like all the performance like all
Speaker 1: the all the performances are great. I like that you
Speaker 1: sort of see humiliating side to male sexuality in like teens.
Speaker 1: I like I like the way that rats like masculinity
Speaker 1: is written and shown. Uh. And I just it's nice
Speaker 1: to see like teenagers that sort of sound like teenagers
Speaker 1: and are making the mistakes the teenagers would make in
Speaker 1: a lot of kids. The more I think about, the
Speaker 1: more that like American Pie rips off so much from
Speaker 1: this movie that Jason Diggs character is basically rat but horrible.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that movie I think is far worse. It's
Speaker 1: far more toxic. Yeah. Anyway, um, yeah, I'll do when
Speaker 1: I have I like genuinely enjoyed most of this movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give give my nippies to Phoebe
Speaker 1: Kate's because she is one of my favorite musicians. Mom Oh,
Speaker 1: Frankie cosmos Um is the child of Kevin Klein and
Speaker 1: Phoebe Kids. I didn't know that she and Kevin Klein
Speaker 1: they've been married for her, Like you learn some story, great,
Speaker 1: how about y'all? Um? Okay, I mean, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go a little high. I want to give it three.
Speaker 1: I'm taking context into account a little bit, thinking like
Speaker 1: between this movie because it's eighty one and like Book
Speaker 1: Smart forty years that is forty years different, and that
Speaker 1: this one it has like the protagonist in this teen
Speaker 1: sex comedy is a girl who was like figuring out
Speaker 1: sex and stuff, and it I feel like it treats
Speaker 1: her as like valid and like as opposed to just
Speaker 1: I feel like it kind of does like subvert a
Speaker 1: lot of those eighties tropes where is the protagonist would
Speaker 1: in another movie would have been rat or would have
Speaker 1: been Brad or like something like that. And I kind
Speaker 1: of think, like at the time, like if you were
Speaker 1: a teenager in eighty one. This movie would have been
Speaker 1: like seeing this movie compared to most of those movies
Speaker 1: at the time, if you were like a teenage girl,
Speaker 1: I think that would have been huge. And he like
Speaker 1: dignified representation. And I think like a lot of the
Speaker 1: I don't know a lot of the negative stuff in it.
Speaker 1: It doesn't deal with it enough, but it's not untrue,
Speaker 1: like just because it sucks and it is it like
Speaker 1: is an unpleasant fact of like life, doesn't mean it
Speaker 1: doesn't actually happen. It happens all the time. So I
Speaker 1: kind of like that it like presents that and in
Speaker 1: a way that isn't like earth shattering, you know. And
Speaker 1: then I'll give one to um Rat because he's a
Speaker 1: nice boy. Um. I'll give one to the Cardigan in
Speaker 1: this movie. Um, they're really good Cardians. And UM one
Speaker 1: to Phoebe Kate's hair, um, because it's doing great work. Really,
Speaker 1: how many aerosol cans went into um? Okay? You know,
Speaker 1: it's interesting when we talked about like, okay, representation of
Speaker 1: women versus teen girls, you know what I mean. And
Speaker 1: so it's like, obviously teen girls are complex human beings,
Speaker 1: but they're it's different, you know what I mean, so
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of the moments where I feel
Speaker 1: like we're maybe missing some greater like emotional arc or something.
Speaker 1: I think it's maybe not a great excuse just being like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: they're just teen, so they didn't really think about it. Um.
Speaker 1: I think we've seen a lot of things about teens
Speaker 1: where we get much deeper than that. Um. But I
Speaker 1: think too seems fair. I also enjoyed watching this movie.
Speaker 1: I think it has a lot of very fun characters,
Speaker 1: and that's always my favorite thing in like eighties like
Speaker 1: teen like any kind of like high school movie is
Speaker 1: really good characters. Like I mean, obviously we have our
Speaker 1: issues with Spaccoli, but he's a very fun character. The
Speaker 1: issue not but totally as an entity is fine, but
Speaker 1: unfortunately is casting. Okay, I will give a nipple too.
Speaker 1: I feel like nobody has given one to Brad. What
Speaker 1: a little nice guy, sweet to his younger sister. I
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of the time you see siblings
Speaker 1: in high school together and the older one is like,
Speaker 1: don't talk to me, and I'm a hard worker. It's
Speaker 1: like he said at the beginning, a successful guy. I
Speaker 1: also like that, Well, I guess he was going to
Speaker 1: break up with his girlfriend and give her her freedom
Speaker 1: to explore. But then I guess he actually wasn't going to,
Speaker 1: so never mind on that um and then I would
Speaker 1: give the other one to Linda because I just like
Speaker 1: that character. I like Linda a lot, just such another
Speaker 1: fantastic like that is such a true like high school girl,
Speaker 1: the girl who feels like she has to act more
Speaker 1: mature than she is and then spray paints. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: really like how immediate. At least she's just like, he's
Speaker 1: not a human, he's a little pray yeah. Oh god.
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