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Speaker 2: Player of the Week, You name him player of the Year.

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Speaker 2: He finished with three hundred and forty sticks passing yards

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Speaker 2: Darnald becomes the first quarterback from the twenty eighteen draft

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Speaker 2: class to make a Super Bowl. Yeah, the original Louisiana

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Speaker 2: Hot sauce stuff is so good.

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Speaker 2: I put it on chips, eggs, nachos, burger I put

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Speaker 2: it on everything. I'm having a cocktail. I knocks him

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Speaker 2: Louisiana Hot. Buy you some, all right, I'm not sure

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Speaker 2: where it's gonna go. We never do. It's Danny Parkins,

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna throw this out. So when I used

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Speaker 2: shows don't take phone calls, but I for years, So

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Speaker 2: I stopped taking them for a while. On the Patriots,

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Speaker 2: because every single caller was they're cheaters. So what has

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Speaker 2: happened in America, Danny is collective amnestia. So during the

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Speaker 2: Obviously the Boston radio guys were mostly in support of it.

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Speaker 2: There was Spygate one, they lost a first round draft

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Speaker 2: There was defleet gate where they were fined a million

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Speaker 2: three gates on your resume, it is reasonable. I said

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Speaker 2: I think it's reasonable to ask should we pause or collectively?

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Speaker 2: Yet today it is viewed as outrageous if we go,

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Speaker 2: you know, how about a little punishment. Just wait for

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Speaker 2: funny how the pendulum has swung the American sports fans, Danny.

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Speaker 2: They want a happy ending. We know that movies do tests.

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Speaker 2: People don't like negative endings. They get furious with the

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Speaker 2: team Spygate two to play Gate. But they also don't

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Speaker 2: like when you get in the way of Belichick's Hall

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Speaker 2: just cheaters And today when you suggest one year punishment's

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Speaker 1: So there's obviously a ton of wrinkles to this story,

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Speaker 1: the exclusion from the Hall of Fame. That is obviously

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Speaker 1: In baseball, there is a morality clause. Yes, it's written

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you voted for things in your in your career,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I've said I said today I would vote

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Speaker 2: different times, multiple Like, I get it. The Seahawks are

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Speaker 2: Really get you're really playing the underdog as such. Remember

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Speaker 2: So there's that kind of it. There's a little bit

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Speaker 1: I think Seattle all year number one in blowouts, number

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Speaker 1: Like you play this game ten times, I think Seattle

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Speaker 2: I'm like, the hell, trust your eyes, Brady Donald. You're

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Speaker 2: my question. Darnald wins the Super Bowl? Where do you

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Speaker 1: I think so a couple of things. I think you

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Speaker 1: and has a great game, for you to put Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold into that conversation of player, which is a remarkable

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Speaker 1: And the other thing, because I did this on the

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Speaker 1: to think about who is that instructive for? I think

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson done? Like I think so obviously that brings

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Speaker 1: Sam Donald, Sam Donald's twenty eight years old, If he

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Speaker 1: has back to back fourteen win seasons with back to

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and Seattle because they draft so well, they're

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Speaker 2: with the Bills. They haven't drafted well enough defensively.

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Speaker 1: Yeah or period. Yeah, they And like there's a big

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Speaker 2: weather forecast shut it down for an hour. I'm like,

428
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Speaker 2: this is brute, CBS. I felt bad for you couldn't

429
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Speaker 2: see anything.

430
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 3: You had no clue yard they were on. I mean,

431
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 3: how would you look up like I don't know where

432
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 3: they are on the field.

433
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 2: So there was a moment when they could have gone

434
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 2: up ten nothing and Sean Payton elected with a backup

435
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 2: quarterback to go for it. I would not have. I

436
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: would have kicked the field goal to go up ten nothing.

437
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: Now I did not know. I looked up the weather.

438
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 2: I didn't think there was a blizzard in the forecast.

439
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 2: I thought it. You know, they were saying Tony Romo

440
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 2: at one point said the weather is getting really bad

441
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 2: and it's way worse than you see on TV, meaning

442
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 2: you can't tell wind necessarily when you're looking at field

443
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 2: in players unless you see a flag, so you know it.

444
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: Obviously you couldn't throw the ball. So what did you make?

445
00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 2: First of all, I would have kicked the field goal.

446
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: This is analytically, I just disagree with this. I've said it.

447
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,199
Speaker 1: In the NBA.

448
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 2: I think the mid range game, especially in the playoffs, matters.

449
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: So I need a bucket, not a three. I don't

450
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: care about math. Get me a bucket, get me a

451
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 2: stop and I'm sorry when you get to the playoffs,

452
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: I want points. Especially with Jarrett Stidham, I want points.

453
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what's your take on that.

454
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Speaker 3: I don't know when it became so in vogue, I

455
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 3: mean obviously the last several years. To go for it

456
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: early in these games, like late in the game of

457
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 3: that Ram Seattle game, it's a four point game. No

458
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,240
Speaker 3: one has any price with McVeigh going forward on fourth

459
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: and four because it was essentially fourth and goal, you're

460
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 3: down for it felt like the game right there. Totally

461
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: understandable in these first half of NFL playoff games. Most

462
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 3: of these do not play out to high scoring events,

463
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:18,159
Speaker 3: especially in the AFC where the weather plays a big factor. So,

464
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 3: like you said, even if you don't know the crazy

465
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: blizzard is coming down the street. Here, you have a

466
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 3: backup quarterback playing. You are a defensive team. I mean,

467
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 3: over the last couple of years their defense it hasn't

468
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: played as well, but has definitely been one of the

469
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 3: better units in the league. You have a chance to

470
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 3: go up two scores against a quarterback who's what played

471
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 3: and this is his third playoff game of his career

472
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 3: and is aw he's coming from bam Ohio State hasn't

473
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 3: played in that many big games the last five years.

474
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 3: So you go up multiple scores and Sean Payton and

475
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 3: Dan Campbell said this he got his aggressiveness from watching Sean.

476
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: I'm never anti being aggressive, but in the first half

477
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 3: of a game when they have zero points, I never

478
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: understand not going for a field goal when you're opponent

479
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 3: at zero points. It's become an epidemic of teams going

480
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 3: Ben Johnson's the worst at this. In zero zero games.

481
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, field goal, you get the lead.

482
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Here I second half of games when both teams are

483
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: in the thirties, I get you, right, if it's the

484
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 3: Bears Niner game, that's Sunday night or Monday night game,

485
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, no one's stopping anybody. Five minutes into

486
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 3: a game or ten minutes into you have no clue

487
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 3: how it's gonna play out. And look how this thing

488
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,920
Speaker 3: played out. The points were literally the game, I mean

489
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: that decided the game. Now they ended up forcing a punt,

490
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: but then George Stidham had that fumble play that that's

491
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 3: a backup quarterback. I mean, that's at any moment. I

492
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: know Sean tried to speak it into existence. This guy

493
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 3: hadn't played, so to think that you could come out

494
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 3: and running the scout team for five straight months and

495
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 3: then just play well, especially in a game, even if

496
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: the wins and the snow hadn't come, it was still

497
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,479
Speaker 3: twenty five degrees. So that's a big difference than what

498
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: we just went. It's in the Nike.

499
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, I listen. I Denver only had

500
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: four first downs in the first half, but New England

501
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 2: wasn't exactly moving it up and down the field. My

502
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 2: take was, if you watched.

503
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 3: It first dominated getting dominated in that game.

504
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, So my take was, if you watched, if Sean

505
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 2: was watching the offensive line, his d line, Zach Allen, Benito,

506
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 2: we're dominating New England up front. So my take is

507
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 2: just take the ten nothing lead, dude, they are they

508
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 2: may beat you instead of May throw a pick six

509
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: and make a huge mistake. But there they are struggling

510
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: up front to block great May was on the run

511
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 2: every play. In fact, it was interesting because I thought

512
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: the Seahawks O line, I mean, they had a couple

513
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 2: of blitz sacks. The Rams did, but the Seahawks O

514
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: line is the weakness of that team. I thought they

515
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: played pretty well. Left side of it's pretty good. But

516
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 2: I think somebody said four teams have never made the

517
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. Robert Kraft has made eleven.

518
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: I mean he's made more Super Bowls than the Steelers

519
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 3: and the Niners. Think about that. They didn't what they

520
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 3: had been to two super Bowls up till two thousand

521
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 3: and one. The league had been rolling then for what

522
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 3: thirty plus years they've been to two? How many they've

523
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 3: been to? What Bill went to nine? Now Verbel they've

524
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 3: been to ten with in the last twenty Can you imagine,

525
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 3: you know who today was a bad day for being

526
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 3: a Bills fan. You've had the best player in the sport,

527
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: or one of them now for in his prime of

528
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 3: his career the last five years, and the Patriots just

529
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,239
Speaker 3: bottomed out. And then a couple of years later they

530
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: got Verbel May and Josh McDaniels and there at the

531
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl.

532
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: How about this. The Patriots first dynasty started with a

533
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: tuck rule game in the Blizzard their second dynasty. Maybe

534
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: did it start with this, because I'm I'm serious, John,

535
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,720
Speaker 2: I've never seen a half of football that washed out

536
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: by weather. I mean, it was insane. If you were

537
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: going against I mean, if you were going against the snow,

538
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: there was nothing you could do. You couldn't see, which

539
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: I just I'm not. I'm not a snow game guy.

540
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 2: I'm really not. It's like anything else. I don't think

541
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: anybody My dad was a pud foreman, my stepdad, so

542
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: he got hit by lightning one time. Where the poll

543
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: did he was at.

544
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: So it's like.

545
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 2: Nobody performs at their best in bad weather. I don't

546
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: care if it's a pilot, I don't care, if it's

547
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: a pud forman, I don't care if it's a quarterback.

548
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 2: I'm just I like to see these great athletes. You know, again,

549
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 2: I don't I don't mind. You know, sometimes you play

550
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: in a rain game and nobody's got there. It's kind

551
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 2: of fun. Rain games are kind of fun. Guys are

552
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 2: slipping around. But I don't know. I just I looked

553
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: at that game and I was I just thought it

554
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: was a huge disappointment for the league that were deciding

555
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowls and blizzards.

556
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: I don't know.

557
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 2: It just didn't sit with me.

558
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 3: Well, one big advantage for the Patriots during that game

559
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 3: was May's legs and he kept plays live in Jersidham.

560
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: Who I was told was this athlete. I mean, I

561
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: don't know. I didn't really see it, and I'm not

562
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 3: blaming him. He's a backup quarterback. Like you expectations. I

563
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: had no expectations for him. The first drive he had

564
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: of the game, I was like, damn, he's clearly that's

565
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 3: a pretty big army through a nice touchdown passing the

566
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 3: back of the end zone, through the bomb earlier on

567
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 3: that drive. But as a game goes on, you and

568
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: I have talked about this all year. You gotta be

569
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 3: careful about that first drive. In the NFL. Yeah, it's

570
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 3: a fake. It's a it's not quite a fugazi, but

571
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: it's kind of. It's been mapped out in the top coaches,

572
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 3: their first drives usually look pretty good. You see Kubiaka,

573
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 3: see McVeigh, you see Shanahan, see Andy, you see Peyton

574
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: Like if they if they they usually go down the

575
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 3: field they're disappointed with three typically, So as the game started,

576
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: you saw him, he started getting raped a little bit.

577
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: He started scrambling when he might not need to. And

578
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 3: then by the time they get to the second there

579
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 3: was one play in the second half where May through

580
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 3: an out route and it probably missed him by like

581
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 3: seven yards. And then they throw a back view of

582
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 3: the wind and the snow. You're like, you would hit

583
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 3: a driver one hundred yards into this wind. You know

584
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 3: it's the wind. And that's why Romo I said it

585
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: you couldn't feel it. There was a time like how

586
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 3: bad is it? And then it started. It was so

587
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: clear that it was like you can't even function. But

588
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 3: that's kind of a that was always a Belichick thing,

589
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 3: no matter what. You kind of felt they had the advantage.

590
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 3: You know, Vrabel takes this thing over. They had probably

591
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: better players than a lot of four win teams, that's

592
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 3: how bad their coach was. But they were not very good.

593
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: And last year Drake May and the offense was an embarrassment.

594
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: And this year we can talk about their schedule all

595
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 3: we want. They did beat the Bills in the regular season,

596
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: then they beat Jim Harbaughs, Sean Payton and the best

597
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: defense in the league. Like, they've had a pretty good

598
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: little run here for a UK.

599
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 2: I would have taken Denver to win if bow Knicks

600
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: would have played today. My feeling is, boy, that would

601
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: be hard not to take Denver. Bo just played the

602
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: best game of his career. It's interesting nobody likes Bo

603
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: Nicks or Sam Darnold. I mean that Donald was great

604
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 2: today and bow Knicks. I think I probably would have

605
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 2: probably would have taken Denver if bow Knicks plays. But yeah,

606
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I think it's a good super Bowl.

607
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 2: I think you have you have the Robert Kraft returns,

608
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: Vrabel and Drake May story is at the next Tom Brady.

609
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: So I think that's a great play. And I think

610
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 2: you have a seah Owk team. I think the Sam

611
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 2: Darnold redemption story is a real thing. And listen, these

612
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: are two really well run organizations, Seattle trying to win

613
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 2: a second Super Bowl with a new coach, a new quarterback.

614
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's I think you and I have

615
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: talked about this, and I think the audience has heard

616
00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: us say this is Seattle's GM. He may not make

617
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 2: as many deals as Howie Rose, but there's an argument

618
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 2: John Snyder, in terms of just drafting college athletes, is

619
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: the best we have in the sport. He does not

620
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 2: miss much at all.

621
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Speaker 3: I mean, well, I mean, look at the guys making

622
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 3: plays for him today. You saw, you know, the guard

623
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 3: from North Dakota State. You see or are you making

624
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 3: plays left and right? You see? I mean Cooper Cuff

625
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: as an acquisition. Well, I'd even say Jackson Smith when

626
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 3: people took him, he was good, but no one thought

627
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 3: he was going to be this And they pivoted off

628
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 3: DK Metcalf. They're like, we need him out of here

629
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 3: so we can feature that, which I don't blame them

630
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: for trading DK, but they thought highly more highly of

631
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 3: Jackson Smith, and I think I definitely I did. I

632
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 3: mean they should. He led the league in receiving. I mean,

633
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: he was basically Jerry Rice for like eighty percent of

634
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: the first half of the season. And to me, the

635
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: thing with Vrabel is how often it probably happened more

636
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 3: in like the seventies and eighties, former big time players

637
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: would become coaches. Now, with the money that these coach did,

638
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 3: these players had made, they're less likely to become into

639
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 3: the grind of coaching. A nice Demiko's obviously kind of rare,

640
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 3: but Vrabel he'd be the first guy to ever win

641
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl as a player with the team and

642
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Speaker 3: then coach that same team and win a super Bowl.

643
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Speaker 3: So they didn't lose a road game. I think Kraft

644
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 3: gave him the ball after the game. I mean, this

645
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 3: team has been I thought they would be good and

646
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 3: make the playoffs because of their schedule, but being the

647
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, you can't. You can't luck your way to

648
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 3: the super Bowl, especially when or not the one seed.

649
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: That means you gotta win three games. So it's you'd

650
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 3: be like, well, this wasn't a great Charger team. They

651
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 3: still got Jim Harbond and Justin Herbert and Jesse Minter

652
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: just became the Ravens coach, like they got a pretty

653
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: that's that's a pretty buttoned up operation, right, and then

654
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: Demiko Ryans to beat that defense and then today to

655
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 3: win a game in these conditions on the road. I mean, Rabel.

656
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Speaker 2: When it comes to it, I don't know. Fantastic, Yeah,

657
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 2: clock management, it's he's the opposite of Mike McCarthy, where

658
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: his clock management is maybe the best ever. His use

659
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 2: of timeouts are sensational. Vrabel is so good it's squeezing

660
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:43,319
Speaker 2: all these situational plays in his favor. Let's end it

661
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: with this. Mike McCarthy got hired by the Pittsburgh Steelers,

662
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 2: and as we talk about the Patriots Seahawks, let's just

663
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: give this five minutes. So McCarthy, to me, is an

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Speaker 2: offensive Mike Tomlin. He feels like Pittsburgh. He'll win games,

665
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Speaker 2: He'll be loose when they face a really well coached

666
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: team with a good quarterback, you'll feel like you have

667
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: the second best coach.

668
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: But he's a.

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Speaker 2: Good motivator like Tomlin in defense, he does no offense.

670
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 2: His teams play with great enthusiasm. But to me, Pittsburgh,

671
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: once again, is always reminding us how important Pittsburgh is

672
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: and how they really love Pittsburgh. They love to hire

673
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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh guys. They you know, they draft Kenny Pickett, they

674
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,959
Speaker 2: hire Mike McCarthy. It's kind of a Pittsburgh thing. They're

675
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 2: the inserts. They're very proud. I thought they could have

676
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: done better. I mean, I probably. I don't know if

677
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 2: Chris Schule is the answer. You could hire him tomorrow.

678
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Speaker 2: What did you make of the higher.

679
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Speaker 3: I feel like the reaction was shocked, people like they

680
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: really hired Mike McCarthy. I honestly when John Harbaugh got fired,

681
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,479
Speaker 3: my jaw hit the floor, just because I didn't expect

682
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: him to get fired. This was a situation where I went,

683
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 3: of course, they hired him the owner whatever it was

684
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 3: two weeks ago when Tomlin steps down said I'm not

685
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: into throwing a season away. We do not plan on

686
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,720
Speaker 3: tanking losing. We plan on competing every year. That showed

687
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: me when everyone in the Pittsburgh fan base was tired

688
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:25,200
Speaker 3: of Tomlin, the roonies were not. They like going nine

689
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: or ten wins. If that is there, you know the floor.

690
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: They want no part of the tanking teams. They don't

691
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: ever want to have a season like the Jets. So

692
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy represents at minimum stability of competing and at

693
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Speaker 3: least giving us a chance to maintain what Tomlin has done.

694
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Speaker 3: And he can say I can coach quarterbacks and call

695
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 3: the offense, because in fairness, he's right now. I was

696
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,760
Speaker 3: thinking about this. This is going to be his first situation.

697
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 3: When he got hired with the Green Bay Packers, Brett

698
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: Farv was on the roster and the year before they

699
00:38:56,080 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: had drafted Aaron Rodgers. He was the offensive coordinator of

700
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Speaker 3: the Niners who took Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers talked about

701
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 3: this like you had to get over it a little bit.

702
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: Then when he went to the Cowboys, they had an

703
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 3: established Dak Prescott. He's now going to a team where

704
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: they don't have a quarterback, right, so he's got to

705
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 3: be involved in which you and I watched a lot

706
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 3: of college football. This ain't a great quarterback draft. And

707
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 3: I don't know who's really on the open. You know,

708
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 3: the Davis Mills and Mac Jones types. There's not a

709
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 3: lot of There's no Dak Prescott's or Aaron Rodgers walking

710
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 3: through that door this job. I don't know if you

711
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 3: watched the Dolphins. Guys they're two really at the press conference,

712
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 3: it was like, I see why Troy Aikman likes The's

713
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 3: two guys. They're impressive. But Stephen Ross clearly we're gonna

714
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 3: need a little bit of a reset and be bad

715
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Speaker 3: before we get good because we're in shambles. It's kind

716
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: of the Steelers, a lot of old guys, a lot

717
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 3: of bad money. Why not once upon a time you

718
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: did this with Mike Tomlin at thirty four. Now, the

719
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: difference is that team was equipped to if Tomlin was good,

720
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Speaker 3: they were gonna be good than they were, but like,

721
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Speaker 3: why not just go a little younger, do a reset.

722
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Speaker 3: It's like, well, the Rooneyes don't believe in that, Like

723
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Speaker 3: they're at like that's a core value of that family,

724
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Speaker 3: which in a weird way I can respect. But I

725
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 3: think this thing is not. You know, when he got

726
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 3: to the Cowboys, twenty twenty was a fake football year,

727
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 3: right right, remember, But once he kind of settled down,

728
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: got dan Quinn, they were a real team there for

729
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 3: four years. Google who was on that team? Like they

730
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 3: had young in his peak, like a twenty three twenty

731
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Speaker 3: four Michael Parsons, they had Dak Prescott in his prime.

732
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Speaker 3: They get ceedee lamb like that this is this is

733
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 3: not the Steelers And how are they equipped to acquire

734
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Speaker 3: any of these players? TJ. Watt is making a ton

735
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 3: of money, he's a lot of respect for his career,

736
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Speaker 3: but it's trending the wrong way.

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Speaker 2: The good news for McCarthy, I think he realizes that.

738
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Speaker 2: I think the first thing they have to do to

739
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Speaker 2: me is and they're not going to be able to

740
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Speaker 2: find their quarterback unless they go get TYS.

741
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Speaker 1: Simpson.

742
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Speaker 2: But let's say they can't get.

743
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Speaker 3: It in the weather in that in that conference or

744
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: that division.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: They have to switch the money from the defense to

747
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Speaker 2: the offensive side. So they've had the highest paid defense

748
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Speaker 2: four years in a row. So you just in the

749
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Speaker 2: way to do that is They've got some very good

750
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Speaker 2: young offensive player Fraser the center, Warren Friar Moose not young,

751
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 2: but he's a good player. They need another wide receiver obviously,

752
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 2: but in the quarterback. But my take is they've got

753
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 2: their offensive lines got some youth in it. The running

754
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: back room's got some youth in it. They're dynamic. I

755
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: think Friar Moose really good in Washington. Broke his arm,

756
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 2: but you know, those are two big bodies, good players.

757
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 2: So and DK Metcalf still athletically in his prime. It's

758
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 2: one of those things where they have to do is

759
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 2: they have to take about six different defensive players and

760
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 2: just get young defensively. If you look at the Seahawks

761
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Speaker 2: and the Rams, if you really look at the secret

762
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Speaker 2: of it is the Seahawks and the Rams are not

763
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Speaker 2: paying a lot of their defensive players. They're not they're

764
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: paying their quarterbacks. They're paying like maybe a left tackle

765
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: or somebody on the offensive line they're paying one of

766
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Speaker 2: their weapons. But I mean they're if you really look

767
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: at what the Kansas City Chiefs have done, as they've

768
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: paid Mahomes and Travis Kelcey and Joe Tooney, they've kept

769
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 2: that defense really really young. So you know, I've talked

770
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 2: to GMS about this going forward. The recipe for success

771
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: is you pay for offense. You just keep drafting defense,

772
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Speaker 2: stay young. And the Rams, who are they paying on

773
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 2: a defense? I mean, nobody's getting paid yet. Same with Seattle.

774
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 2: Murphy will get a lot of money. Leonard Williams probably

775
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 2: makes it pretty some coin. But I think Pittsburgh's got

776
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 2: it all backwards. Pittsburgh paying everybody on defense, so they've

777
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Speaker 2: they've got a draft about six to seven different guys.

778
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Speaker 2: I don't know what their draft picks look like. Whatever,

779
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 2: just draft defense. Let about four guys walk trade another

780
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: and just switch where the money's at. And once they

781
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,360
Speaker 2: can do that, then you can go find your quarterback.

782
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Speaker 3: If I want to defend McCarthy like he has a

783
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 3: branding issue because I saw people putting his resume next

784
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: to John Harbass looks pretty similar. Google John Harbaugh. The

785
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 3: last several years with some of these big leads a

786
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 3: lot of l's Google Mike McCarthy's resume next to Tomlin's

787
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: resume pretty similar. Not a lot of playoff success. Recently

788
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 3: made the playoffs a bunch people. His branding is bad.

789
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 3: You know, John harbug gets fired. Ten teams are calling

790
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 3: his agent. McCarthy's begging for a job last year, No

791
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 3: one will hire him. So this is not McCarthy's better

792
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,240
Speaker 3: than the way we speak about him, right, Yeah, because

793
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 3: he can coached. The other thing he's got going for

794
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: him Jesse Meant a really impressive defensive coordinator. First time

795
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,439
Speaker 3: head coach in a in a pressure pack job. That's

796
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 3: not going to be easy. You know, Zach Taylor is

797
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 3: going to be coaching for his job surely this year

798
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: that that coaching staff there.

799
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Speaker 2: Cleveland didn't have a coach.

800
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Speaker 3: I mean, Colin, did you see the story that Cleveland

801
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 3: makes you write an essay to try to get the

802
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,360
Speaker 3: this It'd be like you telling me, hey want you

803
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: to do a podcast for us, Can you write us

804
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 3: a three page essay. It's like, Colin, this is a

805
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 3: verbal medium, Like I don't care the coaching is. It's

806
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 3: a verbal job. You don't You would never write an essay. Ever,

807
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 3: even your the things that team puts out, the pr

808
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: staff does that for you. It's really I don't want

809
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 3: to go talk about the Browns much, but that's I googled.

810
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 3: I couldn't figure it out, but I would imagine Barry's

811
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 3: parents were in academia because I couldn't even grasp how

812
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: someone would go the personality test. I understand it's a

813
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 3: big job. I don't know, but doing homework in essays.

814
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: So McCarthy and the Steelers have an advantage on the Browns,

815
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: but it's I think it's going to be a little

816
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 3: more difficult than his Cowboys stamp. But he also he's

817
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: been the head coach of the Packers, the Dallas Cowboys,

818
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 3: and the Pittsburgh Steelers. It'd be like I've been the

819
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 3: head coach of the Knicks the Lakers. Like pat Riley's career.

820
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Speaker 3: He doesn't get any better than that football wise.

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Speaker 1: Going the volume