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Speaker 1: our normal Friday format, We're gonna have Bob Pop with

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Speaker 1: first our player interview is going to be Giants offensive

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Speaker 1: tackle Jermaine Illuminar. But first, just to remind their folks,

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Speaker 1: Now, let's turned to our content today and we'll lead

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Speaker 1: off with my interview with Giants right tackle jermainea Luminor Throw,

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Speaker 1: to be joined by Giants starting right tackle Jamada Lumur Jimmye.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, man, Nothing much, just another day in

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Speaker 3: the life, all right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you a very broad question

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious to see where you.

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Speaker 3: Go with it.

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Speaker 1: Why is the Giants offensive line playing so well this year?

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Speaker 1: I'd say give be the longest answer in the world, don'tkay.

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Speaker 1: They take it wherever you want.

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Speaker 3: I'd say the biggest factor is carm Brissoll. I think

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Speaker 3: he's one of the best online coaches in the NFL, and

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Speaker 3: I've been a voice that I think the entire season.

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Speaker 3: He pushes us in practice the way he prepares us,

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Speaker 3: and the way we practice is a huge part in

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Speaker 3: why we got there and were successful because there's no

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Speaker 3: drop off. We treat practice as the game. You know,

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Speaker 3: you take game reps in practice, so when you get

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Speaker 3: out there, there's no drop off and there's no changes

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Speaker 3: like speed and no change of pace. Conditioning, I think

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Speaker 3: we're really wealll conditioned as well is the work we

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Speaker 3: also we just really want to be great. You know,

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Speaker 3: we've heard about how the offensive lines here haven't been

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Speaker 3: guys like at Runyon, Schmidt, GVR and me who really

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to Briscilla because you guys

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Speaker 1: don't just do one thing right. You're not just a

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Speaker 1: duo team. You're not just a gap scheme team. There

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Speaker 1: are some teams that run nothing but outside zone. You

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Speaker 1: don't you do everything right. So how does he manage

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Speaker 1: to get you guys square? Running so many different things,

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Speaker 3: I'd say Karma is probably one of, if not the

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Speaker 3: how to block them. So Karm is really good with

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Speaker 3: some good players. And yeah, I mean without Karm, I

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Speaker 1: Seeing how the group made a jump from last year

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Speaker 1: you guys played pretty well too, but I think you've

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Speaker 1: taken it to another level this year. Where have you

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say that chemistry is huge with the offensive

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Speaker 3: not too many line combinations. In lust year, we had

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Speaker 3: He came in and there was no drop off at all.

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Speaker 3: And the oldies back to carm and you know the

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Speaker 3: no drop off at all. We know how to work

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Speaker 3: with everyone around us. But yeah, I think that having

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Speaker 1: Where specifically does that show up? Is it handling twist

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Speaker 3: I'd say play style is a big thing. Okay, I've

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Speaker 3: been with GV for now three years, and so GV

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Speaker 3: give more emphasis to, like the Michael Parsons eight hudgets

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Speaker 3: And throughout the week, you know, we communicate on what

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about Jams. But I was going

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Speaker 1: to ask you about him. I think he's really taking

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Speaker 1: played really well this year. You kind of just talked

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Speaker 1: How does he bring the group together? How is he

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Speaker 3: I mean it all starts with the center. I think

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Speaker 3: and Jams is the smartestkind of the field next to

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Speaker 3: tells you where to go sometimes, you know, we have

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Speaker 3: an extensive playbook, and so with this playbook sometimes you

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Speaker 3: this year he's been balling and he's starting to come

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Speaker 1: You've mentioned Greg vav Rul in a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: How much do you think he's helped JMS coming along?

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Speaker 1: You talk about how smart he is. He's also played

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Speaker 3: it's funny because we kind of, I want to say,

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Speaker 3: for what from April to January, and so you know, we,

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Speaker 3: But then we depend on GV as well because GV is,

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Speaker 3: how you're gonna block them, and how you're gonna win

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Speaker 3: your matchup. And that's been huge.

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Speaker 1: I still remember when you got here, the first day

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Speaker 1: you signed, you came in, we did an interview. It

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Speaker 1: was a great conversation. We talked like twelve or fifteen

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Speaker 1: Bowl candidate this year. For you personally, where do you

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Speaker 3: Played them exactly. Lane played against Hutchison, He played against Micah. Well,

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Speaker 3: If I'm being honest, I think about it a little bit,

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Speaker 1: It's fun watching to play Jerman. Good luck with the

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders Ryan Fowler, who hosts the Commanding the

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Speaker 1: Huddle podcast. And now we welcome to our next guest

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Speaker 1: to give us a look at the Giants' opponent this week,

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Speaker 1: the Washington Commanders front of the program, Ryan fowlery is

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Speaker 1: the host of the Commanding the Huddle podcast. Used to

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Speaker 1: work for the Commanders. Ryan, Good to talk to you, man.

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Speaker 1: How's your December going?

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Speaker 2: Go well?

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Speaker 4: John, Happy holidays to you and yours. And I always

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Speaker 4: appreciate having on him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and look, I know this is a division game

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Speaker 1: and it really doesn't matter, but I will throw the

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Speaker 1: stat out. There's only the fifth time in NFL history

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Speaker 1: between two teams entering a game on a seven or

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Speaker 1: longer game losing streak this week between the between the

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Speaker 1: Giants and the Commanders, So two teams that have struggled.

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Speaker 1: So let us on my first question with you Ryan

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Speaker 1: pretty broadly here, why, aside from the Jaden Daniels injury,

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Speaker 1: have the Commander struggled so much this year and taken

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Speaker 1: such a huge step back from what they did in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, John, I think it would be very easy right

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Speaker 4: to sit here and talk about injuries, but at the

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Speaker 4: end of the day, nobody cares about injuries. You know,

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Speaker 4: you got to show up and you have to compete.

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Speaker 4: And for Adam Peters and for dan Quinn specifically for

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Speaker 4: dan Quinn being a defensive mind and head coach, the

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Speaker 4: defense was the same issue this time last year before

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Speaker 4: they went into Philadelphia and Saquon Barkley scored in his

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Speaker 4: first two touches in the NFC title game. You know,

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Speaker 4: they thought that they were going to accelerate their timeline

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Speaker 4: of course, with Jayden Daniels under center, and they brought

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Speaker 4: in stopgap options on defense, Von Miller, Will Harris, guys

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Speaker 4: in the edge like Jacob Martin and it hasn't worked out.

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Speaker 4: Now again, that's where the injuries come into play. But overall,

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Speaker 4: at all three levels, players have regressed a lot of

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Speaker 4: their picks that they picked on Day two and twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty four. Guys like Mike Sanders still, guys like Johnny Newton,

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Speaker 4: players that you're going to see on the field this

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Speaker 4: Sunday have immensely regressed. And then comes back to coaching.

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Speaker 4: It comes back to execution. They can't run man, they

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Speaker 4: can't run zone, they can't pressure the quarterback, they can't

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Speaker 4: seal the edges. They feel like they haven't been able

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Speaker 4: to seal the edges in probably a decade. Down there

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Speaker 4: in Washington, they still have Bobby Wagner at darn you're

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Speaker 4: forty five years old, play in the middle of this

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Speaker 4: defense every single snap. So it's really a culmination john

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Speaker 4: of everything for this Washington group this year where a

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Speaker 4: lot of the focus has been on defense, but now

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Speaker 4: as we're working at the back end of the year,

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Speaker 4: where of course the Jade and Daniels stuff has come up,

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Speaker 4: now the questions are also stemming to the offensive side

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Speaker 4: of the ball as well. Bye, let's stick with the

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Speaker 4: defense first.

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Speaker 1: What changes has Dan Quinn, if any, implemented since he

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Speaker 1: took over play calling and hasn't made any sort of

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Speaker 1: discernible difference.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a great question. Yeah, more zone for the

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Speaker 4: back end for this Washington defense. You know, when Joe

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Speaker 4: Witt was a defensive coordinator of course, following Dan in

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Speaker 4: from Dallas and it lasted a year and a half.

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Speaker 4: That was a relationship that they thought was going to

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Speaker 4: work as far as getting home with four drop in

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Speaker 4: seven and playing man the glear safeties in Kwan Martin

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Speaker 4: and Will Harris to get over the top. But now

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Speaker 4: these last three weeks or so, regardless of what happened

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Speaker 4: last week in the shutout thirty one zhing against Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: you look back to the Miami game. You look back

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Speaker 4: to the Denver game, where there was more zone, allowing

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Speaker 4: guys to read and react on the outside, a little

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Speaker 4: bit more exotic in your front seven. As far as hey,

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Speaker 4: Frankie Louv, we're not asking you to play typical off

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Speaker 4: ball backer. We're gonna allow you to do what you

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Speaker 4: do best, and that's be a hybrid spinner type of

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Speaker 4: player like you see from a guy like Nick Bonito

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Speaker 4: out there in Denver, you look to the middle, Sheldon Day,

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Speaker 4: a rotational, rotational piece. Johnny Newton in the middle. He's

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Speaker 4: a guy John that they drafted to be an every

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Speaker 4: down interior lineman playing next to Ron Pain. That's the

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Speaker 4: reason why they let John Allen walk. He's been relegated

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Speaker 4: now to basically being a third down pass rusher. So

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Speaker 4: changing some things in that fastt were the positives. But

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Speaker 4: then you come back to last week where you're playing

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Speaker 4: zone seven years off of Justin Jefferson Jordan Addison, and

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Speaker 4: you're giving up these easy completions. You cannot stop the

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Speaker 4: runner get off blocks. But it's been a major issue

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Speaker 4: now for two straight years. So again there's been some

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Speaker 4: slight positives, specifically before the Minnesota game. But when Dan

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Speaker 4: Quinn comes out John, he says, hey, look, guys, we're

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Speaker 4: starting to find ourselves a little bit. And then you

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Speaker 4: go out and you lay an absolute dud against a

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Speaker 4: team that got shut out by the Seattle Seahawks the

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Speaker 4: week prior. There's beginning to ask all these questions for

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Speaker 4: a defensive minded staff, where are we as a group

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Speaker 4: if Dan does not want to make the calls for

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Speaker 4: this defense moving forward into next year, do you bring

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Speaker 4: somebody else in an adjust scheming personnel. There's a whole

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Speaker 4: lot of questions here, aligning again personnel and scheme for

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Speaker 4: what this team's going to be moving forward.

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Speaker 1: Two guys did not practice on your defense Jonathan Jones

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Speaker 1: the corner, Bobby Wagner knee Jones as a rib I

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Speaker 1: did not practice Wednesday or Thursday. What do you think

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Speaker 1: on defense? Their availability is going to be on Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bobby's an interesting case for the most of the

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Speaker 4: year because he usually has that veteran rest day, right

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Speaker 4: John in the middle of the middle of the week.

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Speaker 4: But haven't seen him all year not practice both days.

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Speaker 4: And I will say this some conversations with folks inside

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Speaker 4: that building, they want to see more Jordan McGee play

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Speaker 4: more in the middle of this defense as that ninety

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Speaker 4: percent plus guy percent of the snaps that Bobby Wagner is.

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Speaker 4: So Bobby can't go, You're gonna see number fifty eight,

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Speaker 4: a second year player that they really do like in

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Speaker 4: that building. But if Bobby again, he's a guy that

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Speaker 4: will stop up no matter what he as far as

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Speaker 4: what his health is. But as of right now, I

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Speaker 4: would say Bobby's probably a limited to a twenty to

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Speaker 4: thirty percent guy to go and on the outside with

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Jones. He's been a guy, John, that's been banged

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Speaker 4: up the entirety of twenty twenty five. And if he

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Speaker 4: can't go, you're gonna see a lot of Noah Igbanogany

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Speaker 4: slide in and out, and you're probably gonna see also

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Speaker 4: some Antonio Hamilton, who's been a guy they brought from

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Speaker 4: the practice squad earlier in the season to play some

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Speaker 4: inside out as well.

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Speaker 1: So I think I know the answer to this question,

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Speaker 1: but I'll ask you anyway. So this is, it's kind

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Speaker 1: of like teams are picking however they want to attack

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Speaker 1: the Commander's defense.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: It's not like, AH, they're rushed defenses weak is we're

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Speaker 1: running against AH, they can't defend the pass will pass

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Speaker 1: on them. Teams can seat the bill to pretty much

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Speaker 1: attack this defense whatever the way they want, because the

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Speaker 1: Commanders have really not been able to stop anything, right.

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Speaker 4: John, This is you know, I've been following this team

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Speaker 4: for a long time and I have never seen a

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Speaker 4: team this bad. Maybe someone will find stats out there

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Speaker 4: as far as there's been a worse team historically, I

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Speaker 4: have not seen it.

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Speaker 2: This is right.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 4: There's been at times where do you look at this

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Speaker 4: group of eleven and they have been no more than

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Speaker 4: strategically placed road codes. John, it is Oh, it's bad

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Speaker 4: at all three levels. They don't have the athletes. They

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Speaker 4: cannot run, they cannot play manner zone because they can't

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Speaker 4: get after the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: It is bad.

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Speaker 4: And then you look at it from a long term

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Speaker 4: point of view and pull the lens back a little bit. Yes,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna have some cap money. They could save seventeen

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Speaker 4: million by cutting Deron payin eighteen million by cutting Marshall Natimore,

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Speaker 4: which has been an absolute failed trade.

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Speaker 2: They only have.

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Speaker 4: Six picks in the draft and not one guy at

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Speaker 4: Caleb Down and r vil Reese from Ohio State are

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Speaker 4: going to fix everything that's wrong with this defense. It's

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Speaker 4: really been all bad of twenty twenty five. And again,

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Speaker 4: as I mentioned earlier, John, the same questions that this

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Speaker 4: group was asking this time last year.

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Speaker 1: Now I will say this, at least offensively, Ryan, I

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Speaker 1: don't think the offense was as bad as the zero

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Speaker 1: points on the scoreboard would indicate. Last weekends Minnesota, there

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Speaker 1: was some turnovers. You got into the red zone a

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Speaker 1: couple of times deep in their territory, turned it over

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Speaker 1: on downs a couple of times. The offense is still

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Speaker 1: pretty dangerous.

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Speaker 6: Right with Jayden under center, you'd think that they'd be

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Speaker 6: able to be a group john that would score, you know,

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Speaker 6: twenty five plus points a game. That's what they expected

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Speaker 6: right heading after last year. But now, and this is

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Speaker 6: what the major concern is in Washington is the longevity

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Speaker 6: of Jade and Daniels. Right, he can't stay healthy for

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Speaker 6: four quarters. And last week when they got shut out,

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Speaker 6: the ban was back together a little bit for those

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Speaker 6: offensive structure. You had your quarterback, you had Terry Deebo

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Speaker 6: and Noah Brown on the outside. Zach Ertz has been

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Speaker 6: this blanket for two Daniels all if his career, at

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Speaker 6: least the last two years in Washington. He's now out

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Speaker 6: with the torn acl This ground game doesn't have Austin Eckler.

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Speaker 6: But you're catching my drift here and that every single

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Speaker 6: guy that they really wanted out there was out there

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Speaker 6: against Minnesota. And my questions now stemmed to Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 6: as far as the play calling from last week, specifically

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Speaker 6: where the pressure plan against Minnesota was get the ball

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Speaker 6: out of your hands and really flowed out of bounds

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Speaker 6: and this horizontal rate, it was not good. It was

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Speaker 6: not good last week against Minnesota. Now coming into this

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Speaker 6: game where the Giants can absolutely get out for the passer. Now,

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Speaker 6: Washington's front five, headlined by Laramie Tunseel, that left tackle

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Speaker 6: has been as good as any left tackle in all

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Speaker 6: of football, has been excellent. But what are they gonna

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Speaker 6: look like now with Marcus Mariota under center where he's

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Speaker 6: been having this gunslinger type of mentality.

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Speaker 4: Now he's been better. I will say this, John, It's

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Speaker 4: crazy to say, but Marcus has been better than Jaden

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Speaker 4: Daniels this year when Marcus has been under center. But now,

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Speaker 4: what is that.

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Speaker 1: Offensive structure going to look like?

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Speaker 4: I'm not entirely sure that we're gonna try to win

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Speaker 4: the football game, but they're gonna have to score probably

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Speaker 4: twenty five or more to win this game.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned offensive structure. How does the structure change

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Speaker 1: without zach Ertz available. We going to see a lot

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Speaker 1: more three wide receiver sets. We got to see Sinna

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Speaker 1: and Bates together. How are they going to adjust what

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Speaker 1: they do with those tight ends given zach Ertz is

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Speaker 1: out for the year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, great question. I think you're also going to see

659
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Speaker 4: some more pony personnel, right, two running backs on the

660
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Speaker 4: field that Yeah, they really like Chris Rodriquez. They really

661
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Speaker 4: like Jeron McNichols on third down, he'll stick his face

662
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Speaker 4: in the pass pro as well. I know Bill Krosky.

663
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Speaker 4: Merritt's been a slower story the last two months or so,

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Speaker 4: but they still like him. And that's been a hit

665
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Speaker 4: as a seventh round guy out of Arizona. But overall,

666
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Speaker 4: when you look at this offensive structure on the outside,

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Speaker 4: you hit it on the nail. John I started hit

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Speaker 4: it on the nose. Excuse me, You're gonna see a

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Speaker 4: lot of eleven personnel. They're going to try to get

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Speaker 4: Benson involved. He's the guy that was a second round pick,

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Speaker 4: you know. And John, I remember when they drafted him

672
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Speaker 4: out of Kansas State and had a scout text me

673
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Speaker 4: and say, look, they just overdrafted this guy. This guy

674
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Speaker 4: cannot run. And that's a quote for quote, he can't run.

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Speaker 4: And now through two years, this is a guy that

676
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Speaker 4: hasn't done it and he gets maybe one catch a month,

677
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Speaker 4: and people are over over their head as far as say, man,

678
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 4: this guy could be a heavily involved piece for the future.

679
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Speaker 4: So he's going to have an opportunity. But overall, really

680
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Speaker 4: on the outside, it starts with Terry McLaurin, it starts

681
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Speaker 4: with Deebo Samuel Marcus. Marriot is not afraid to sling

682
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Speaker 4: it downfield. He's not afraid to get his legs involved.

683
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Speaker 4: At thirty two years old, he has absolutely nothing to lose.

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Speaker 4: And I think he's potentially a guy john that moving

685
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Speaker 4: into maybe the next year of his career, he could

686
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Speaker 4: be somewhere with someone that starts somewhere considering a quarterback

687
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Speaker 4: ACKs and the names that we're seeing like Philip Rivers

688
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Speaker 4: out there in Indianapolis right now.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Chris Roriez is going to play?

690
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Speaker 1: He was limited on Thursday with a groin injury, and

691
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Speaker 1: how is he kind of taken over that number one

692
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Speaker 1: running back spot.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, as of right now, I do think Chris will go.

694
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Speaker 4: He's about as tough a kid as you will find

695
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Speaker 4: number seeing him a Kentucky you remember seeing him at

696
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Speaker 4: the Senior Bowl up close in person. It's a very

697
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Speaker 4: tough kid that really takes advantage of every single snap.

698
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Speaker 4: Now they let Brian Robinson go to San Francisco in

699
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Speaker 4: the offseason for a reason, and the injuried Austin Eckler,

700
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Speaker 4: of course was unfortunate. But Chris Rodriguez in between the tackles,

701
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Speaker 4: taking advantage of every single carry. He's got a little

702
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Speaker 4: bit more wiggle, a little more juice to the perimeter.

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Speaker 4: I think that people give him credit for, but he's

704
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Speaker 4: not a guy John that gets your fifteen to twenty

705
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Speaker 4: allotment of an RB one workload every single week. Because

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Speaker 4: they do have three guys that you'll see, you may

707
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Speaker 4: not see Bill Merritt for the entire half or Jeremy

708
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Speaker 4: McNichols for the first quarter and a half. It really

709
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Speaker 4: is Chris Rodriguez to kick this thing off. But he

710
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Speaker 4: is a guy that's earned these touches and really has

711
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Speaker 4: been the guy that's lived up to this commander's mantra

712
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Speaker 4: that Dan Quinn has tried to install and that every

713
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Speaker 4: snap is earned, that's not given, and we have a

714
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Speaker 4: culture of competitiveness. Chris Rodriguez has been that guy and

715
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Speaker 4: you can't help but say good things for a guy

716
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Speaker 4: like that. And really a season that's gone to hell

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Speaker 4: with this group.

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Speaker 1: How as Josh Connelly progressed. For my eye, I feel

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Speaker 1: like he's playing a lot better now than he did

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Speaker 1: at the beginning of the year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not easy right to joke from left tackle

722
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Speaker 4: the right tackle right at the NFL level, but really

723
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Speaker 4: everything starts for Josh in the lower half right. The

724
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Speaker 4: athleticism he turned on that Big Ten title game tape

725
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Speaker 4: last year against Abdulla Order, he did a heck of

726
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Speaker 4: a job. And then now at right tackle, he's playing

727
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Speaker 4: opposite of Laramy and learning from those types of guys

728
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Speaker 4: and meeting rooms. He had a heck of a start

729
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Speaker 4: to the year where he faced, of course, the Giants,

730
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Speaker 4: and he had Max Crosby and in the first few

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Speaker 4: weeks of the year Michael Parson's Week two. There were

732
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Speaker 4: some lumps there, but then as the season's gone on,

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Speaker 4: the game started to slow down a little bit. He's

734
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Speaker 4: not trying to every single time verticle set. He's jumped

735
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Speaker 4: setting some guys, he's short setting some guys. He's mixing

736
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Speaker 4: up his looks with his hands a little bit. It's

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Speaker 4: just development. John and I think we live in this

738
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Speaker 4: era now where it's a microwave society, where everybody expects

739
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Speaker 4: things so quickly allow guys to develop, allow guys to

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Speaker 4: be coached a little bit upfront, because this has been

741
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Speaker 4: the best unit for Washington all year long, has been

742
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Speaker 4: this front five. I think Josh has been absolutely fine.

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Speaker 4: I completely agree with you. He has taken steps and

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Speaker 4: I think he absolutely is a piece for the future.

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Speaker 1: All right, final, finally, here Ryan, anything that Giant fans

746
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: should know about the Commanders that we did not touch

747
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Speaker 1: on that they should be ready for at MetLife Stadium

748
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Speaker 1: Sunday at one o'clock.

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Speaker 4: I think some creativity little bit more in this offense.

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Speaker 4: You know, Terry McLaurin really was rather uninvolved in that

751
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 4: Minnesota game. When he is going there at their best,

752
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: I not only think that's a secret, but if he's going,

753
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 4: it opens up everything in the ground game over the

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Speaker 4: middle oflle Field. I do think they're going to get

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00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 4: Benson involved. If you don't see him, look for Colson

756
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 4: Yankoff in the red zone a little bit. He's the

757
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Speaker 4: younger player that they really do like and they want

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00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: to get him some more touches. And then in the backfield,

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Speaker 4: they're gonna have to get this ground game going. They're

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Speaker 4: not going to ask Marcus Mariota to do everything himself.

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Speaker 4: So the ground game, getting Terry mcluin involved. I think

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Speaker 4: it's going to be a good ballgame. But this defense, John,

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Speaker 4: I can't sit here and say, Hey, they're gonna limit

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Speaker 4: the Giants. This might be a little sneaky shootout type

765
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Speaker 4: of ball game this week up there in the Middle

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Speaker 4: Lands giving out the Giants defense is playing.

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Speaker 1: That would non surprise me. Ryan, I up, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's almost like a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: mirror image with these two teams look at each other

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Speaker 1: a little bit, with the issues they've had on the

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Speaker 1: defensive side of the ball. Yeah, I appreciate it. Man,

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Speaker 1: Enjoy your weekend, happy holidays, enjoy the game. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to you too, of course. Thanks as always, Sean. If

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Speaker 1: you want to know how to manage two minutes of

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Speaker 1: All right, now, let's go to our final interview. It's

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Speaker 1: the Voice of the Giants, Bob Papa. He is with

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Speaker 1: the head coach of the Giants, Mike Kafka.

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Speaker 7: The Giants are back at home as they take on

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Speaker 7: the watching and commanders at MetLife Stadium. As always, were

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Speaker 7: joined by the head coach of the New York Giants,

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Speaker 7: Mike Kafka and coach, you're gonna come off the buy

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Speaker 7: here this week? What we able to get accomplished with

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Speaker 7: that time off, because listen, it's an unusually late buy,

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Speaker 7: it's pretty deep into the season. What did you learn

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Speaker 7: about your football team on both sides of the ball.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the beauty beauty of the bye week really was,

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Speaker 5: you know, having an opportunity to kind of sit back,

804
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 5: look at look at the season, talk with the coordinators

805
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 5: and put together a great self scout plan, and and

806
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Speaker 5: just talk through some of the things we've done really well,

807
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 5: build on that things that we need to get corrected,

808
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 5: find solutions to those to those issues, whether it's by scheme,

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00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 5: whether it's by personnel, whether it's by play call. So

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Speaker 5: just really kind of doing a deep dive on who

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Speaker 5: we are and and and how we can continue to

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Speaker 5: get better.

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Speaker 7: Obviously, you know, everyone of those thinks about it in

814
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Speaker 7: a negative standpoint, but when you look back on it,

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00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,239
Speaker 7: there's got to be a lot of things that have

816
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Speaker 7: to have you very excited about what can happen here

817
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 7: over these last four games. And then just moving forward

818
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 7: on player potential. When you when you sat back and

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Speaker 7: you watch it, whether it's some things that you look

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Speaker 7: back on you said, damn, you know, I didn't realize

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Speaker 7: like how good we did this or that or whatever.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely a lot of those things popped up really

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Speaker 5: in all three phases, and so there's certainly a lot

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Speaker 5: of excitement. There's a lot of excitement for this week,

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Speaker 5: which is you know, really our main focus. But yeah,

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Speaker 5: our guys have been having a great practice. These guys

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Speaker 5: are juiced up, so you know, got to finish the

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Speaker 5: week strong.

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Speaker 7: So you played Washington in week one of the season.

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Speaker 7: When you kind of look back at that game and

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Speaker 7: you try to get ready for this game. When you

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Speaker 7: look at it, does it almost look like it gets

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Speaker 7: from another season with how long ago it.

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Speaker 5: Was, Yeah, I mean it has. It's a long time ago.

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Speaker 5: They're certainly a different team. We're certainly a different team.

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Speaker 5: So you know, that's kind of the way that the

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Speaker 5: NFL works and the seasons. The way these seasons go.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes you know, you grow and you continue to get

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Speaker 5: better and you develop into an identity, and I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, for us, it's about, you know, just continuing

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00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 5: to play good ball and then you know, obviously we

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Speaker 5: get these opportunities late in the game. Let's go shut

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Speaker 5: it down and let's go, you know, make the play

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Speaker 5: to go win it.

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Speaker 7: When you've played them the first time, they had Austin Eckler,

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Speaker 7: who's like the veteran hand at the running back position.

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Speaker 7: They don't have them anymore. He's gotten hurt, but they've

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Speaker 7: run the ball. They're fourth best in the league and

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Speaker 7: their seventh best in yards per carry. What makes their

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Speaker 7: run scheme difficult for defenses to deal with.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, they're very multiple, you know, they they have they

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Speaker 5: also have the you know, ability to run the quarterback,

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Speaker 5: which you know adds another element to it. So even

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Speaker 5: just the threat of that, you know, allows allows the

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Speaker 5: has the defense you know, they have to occupy another gap.

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Speaker 5: And then once you start adding pullers, once you start

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Speaker 5: adding motion, those are adding more gaps to the run fit.

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Speaker 5: So it's just puts stress in the defense and their

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Speaker 5: and their run fits and the gap responsibilities. And then

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Speaker 5: they do it from multiple different personnel groupings. They do

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Speaker 5: it with different you know, skill receivers, skill running backs

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Speaker 5: and the quarterback. So it's a dynamic package and they

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Speaker 5: have a lot of you know, a lot of different

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Speaker 5: ways to get the certain things.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, let's talk about Marcus Mariota, who you know, has

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Speaker 7: stepped in with Jaden Daniels has been down and you know,

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Speaker 7: the record says one thing, the numbers say something else.

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Speaker 7: I mean, with him a starting quarterback, they're averaging twenty

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Speaker 7: three points a game, three hundred and forty yards of offense,

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Speaker 7: you know, ten touchdowns, five interceptions, six point one yards

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Speaker 7: per carry. Like he has been very effective for them

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Speaker 7: and been a really good ad for this football team.

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Speaker 7: What do you have to do to kind of make

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Speaker 7: sure he doesn't get going?

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Speaker 5: No, our defenses has to play sound ball, play aggressive,

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Speaker 5: and when they have their opportunities to make a play

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Speaker 5: on the football or make a play in the backfield,

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Speaker 5: you know, we got to make the play. And I'm

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Speaker 5: excited our guys have been doing it all week. I'm

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Speaker 5: excited about Charlie and how he's calling it and how

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Speaker 5: he's continuing to put his fingerprint on the defense. And

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Speaker 5: I think you'll see, you know, even cleaner version of

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Speaker 5: it this coming week.

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Speaker 7: All right, let's go to the other side of the

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Speaker 7: ball where Washington. They got some players there that Bobby Wagner.

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Speaker 7: It's unbelievable. I mean, he's gonna start his two hundred

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Speaker 7: and thirty third game, you know, which is sixth most

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Speaker 7: or sixth most for any linebacker in the history of

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Speaker 7: the National Football League since nineteen seventy. Are you amazed

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Speaker 7: when you put on the tape to watch how this

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Speaker 7: guy still performs at such a high level.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I have a ton of respect for Bobby

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Speaker 5: and how he plays the game. You know, how he

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Speaker 5: is is from Afar watching him as a leader. You know,

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Speaker 5: watching him lead a defensive group, he's really the heartbeat

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Speaker 5: of that defense. And you know, a ton of respect

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Speaker 5: for him and how he plays. But yeah, absolutely, he's

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Speaker 5: He's a guy you turn on the tape, you got

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Speaker 5: to know where he's at every single play.

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Speaker 7: Dan Quinn had taken over some of the calling of

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Speaker 7: the defense. You know, he's a guy that's been doing

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Speaker 7: this for a long time, both as a head coach

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Speaker 7: and as a coordinator. What are some of the hallmarks

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Speaker 7: of a dan Quinn defense.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a great one. I have a lot of

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Speaker 5: respect for Dan and you know, even his time in

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Speaker 5: Atlanta and in Dallas, just watching him and getting to

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Speaker 5: know him over the course of several years. But you know,

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Speaker 5: his teams are always gonna play hard, They're gonna play

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Speaker 5: be physical, they're gonna play aggressive, and so you know,

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Speaker 5: we got to be prepared for that, and they got

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Speaker 5: to be prepared for us to do the same thing.

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Speaker 5: But a ton of respect for Dan and how he

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Speaker 5: operates and how he coaches his group.

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Speaker 7: Finally, coach, what's what's been the message to your team?

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Speaker 7: I mean, coming off to buy here, there's four games

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Speaker 7: to go, it's a month of football. I mean, it's

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Speaker 7: it's you know, it's almost a third of the season

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Speaker 7: or twenty something percent of the season still left. Obviously

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Speaker 7: everyone's disappointed about not having an opportunity to get to

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Speaker 7: the postseason. But what has been the thing that you're

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Speaker 7: kind of hammering home with the team.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, when you come off of buye, you

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Speaker 5: have an opportunity to, like I said, self, scout and

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Speaker 5: look at the things that we can improve on. So

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Speaker 5: I think initially it was let's give our guys the

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Speaker 5: answers to the kind of the problems that we've been having.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's the solutions, right, be solution oriented. So

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Speaker 5: that's been the biggest focus. And then at the end

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Speaker 5: of the day, it's about winning. So how are we

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Speaker 5: gonna find a way to win? And putting those things

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Speaker 5: out in front of them and showing them the ways

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Speaker 5: we can win offensively, defensively and special teams wise.

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Speaker 7: Coach, we appreciate a couple of minutes. Best of luck

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Speaker 7: this afternoon against the Commanders, and we'll do it next week.

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Speaker 1: Sounds great, Thank you, good stuff from Bob and coach.

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