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Speaker 1: When did you start to feel this way? Who introduced

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Speaker 1: told me. And we are bad. Passes it to the man,

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Speaker 1: We're still talking about the possibility that these professional sports

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Speaker 1: Let me in the club. It's pretty scary to some

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Speaker 1: Like all television programs, there there are arguments, at least

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Speaker 1: gotta get a new face, right, And we're watching it

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Speaker 1: right now. We saw Lebron still be arguably the best

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Speaker 1: We passed them to towards Kobe got it from Mike,

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Speaker 1: Golden State game on. You're gonna see it in bars

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Speaker 1: They don't play them games. They're right. They didn't playing

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00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: that in Oakland, right, they were like the fuck watching

426
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: Steven Jackson the funk out of here. And now look,

427
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 1: look you can watch Melo so LaMelo so excite, and

428
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: you watch watching You're watching UM games, You're watching Charlotte

429
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: games across the country. I was watching that ship at Toronto, right,

430
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 1: you watch the Charlotte games in Canada. Now he's exciting,

431
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: Jaws exciting. So yeah, so look that's a new change

432
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: in the guard. But also we're gonna need Kauai another.

433
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: He's not exciting for he's an exciting player, but he's

434
00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: not exciting, and they try to make him excited with

435
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: that that creepy as laugh. He's surely one of the

436
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 1: more boring superstars that have ever existed, and it works

437
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: perfectly in the Tim Duncan tree of life that he's building.

438
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, now it he is dull, dull, you know,

439
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: I mean, sharp is his foom. You do not want

440
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: to see him on television, you want to He's He's

441
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 1: a stat guy, that's it. So we gotta get I'll

442
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: take somebody that's terrible but exciting. I was hoping Lamela

443
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: was gonna be exciting and that he did not disappoint. No,

444
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: Lament was a very exciting player, and to that, to

445
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: that point that you're making the Charlotte Hornets before LaMelo

446
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: arrives are a pretty terrible team. Are are a non

447
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 1: it's a nonstarter conversation, and LaMelo is very good at basketball.

448
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: But the transition that they've made does seem exponential in

449
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 1: a way that makes you question and like, Okay, what's

450
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 1: going on here, because it's you know, he's he's not

451
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,480
Speaker 1: even arguably the best player on the team, and the

452
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: team has suddenly become something greater than it was even

453
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: when they were still that core. The last time we've

454
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: really talked about Charlotte was like when master p had

455
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,919
Speaker 1: like a one day or contract. I think he had

456
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 1: a tende contract, and I think Alonso Morning was still

457
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: involved somehow, you know what I mean. I think this

458
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 1: was back when LJ was throwing up the weird ship.

459
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: But but to go back to your point, where like

460
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,879
Speaker 1: the narratives, I mean, but we need it to right,

461
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 1: we need it mm hmmm. And I I think that's

462
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 1: that's the interesting thing that everything that I read tapped

463
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: on him. So I want to go through some specific

464
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: examples to to sort of help ground this a little bit.

465
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: And I'd love to just get your thoughts on whether

466
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,479
Speaker 1: you agree with this, whether some of these are more

467
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: far fetched. Some of them feel legitimate to me, and

468
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: I watched them happen in real time, so I have

469
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: like an emotional connection. And then some of them feel

470
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,560
Speaker 1: very hypothetical. And so I'd love to hear hear where

471
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: you live in all of this. Here's a great example

472
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: to start off with. There's uh there was a bleacher

473
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: report op ed that I read that argued that the

474
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 1: rise of the two thousand five New Orleans Hornets, this

475
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: was back when they were still the Hornets, is a

476
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: great example of the rigging that happens. So two thousand five,

477
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: Chris Paul has been in the league for two years.

478
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: He has sort of solidified himself as one of the

479
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: superstar point guards in the league at this point. But

480
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: in two thousand four, in the previous year, they were terrible.

481
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 1: They were complete ass they did not play well at all.

482
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: And then two thousand five happens. Obviously, this is the

483
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: year of Katrina. They get misplaced or or sort of

484
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: like moved to Oklahoma temporarily. Obviously New Orleans is in

485
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: need of a hero story. And then the following year,

486
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: the New Orleans Hornets are second seed in the in

487
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: the West coming out through the league, and their team

488
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: doesn't change much at all. It's still mostly just Chris

489
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: Paul and I think Tyston Chandler are like the key

490
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: sort of like players in this and there's not a

491
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: lot of evidence of how this team, other than maybe

492
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Chris Paul becoming a better point guard than he was

493
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: the year before, uh, suddenly goes from being not even

494
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: a factor, not even making the playoffs, to suddenly being

495
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: second seed in in the Western Conference. Ah My, I

496
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: can see it. Yeah, I can see it. I mean,

497
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense to me. It's you

498
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 1: hate to think it, but you go, man, that's that's

499
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: a great time for people to rally for want to

500
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: get money back in the community, for people to donate,

501
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: for people to uh you got you gotta give out

502
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: some jobs like oh man, yeah, man, I see it.

503
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I see it. And in some ways what you're saying,

504
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: i'll be honest, sounds a bit heroic almost that like

505
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: what a nice thing to do to be Like, Yo,

506
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: this city just suffered one of the greatest catastrophes that's

507
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: ever happened to any American city. We at least should

508
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: like put some bread back in the pockets of the

509
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 1: people that live there. That's not that's not a horrible intent.

510
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: If if you know, I'm a person watching this as

511
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: a rigging on the surface, it's not more of them

512
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: on the surface, you're saying something dastard man. Let's let's

513
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: go ahead. Hey man, we need about twenty thousand people

514
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: that we can pay nine dollars an hour two so

515
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: we get back to the community. What diabotically we make millions.

516
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: I'll say this, you're you're being hugely generous with nine

517
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: dollars an hour, because this is two thousand five. The

518
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: motherfucker's were making a quarter an hour to serve up

519
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 1: hot dogs with with creole sauce on them, calling sa again,

520
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,040
Speaker 1: let's give people back to the French count French quarter

521
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: Canal street needs and bodies on it. Yeah, we just

522
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 1: need people to serve up enough that they can get

523
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: drunk and go to make money for us, and to

524
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: your point, make money for the people that we actually

525
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: care about, which is a bunch of billionaires and millionaires

526
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: and all that. That that one sounds like that, that

527
00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: one sounds like everybody wins mm hmm okay, and and

528
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: by everyone wins some yes, okay, there we go. That's

529
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: the that's the part that that I needed to hear

530
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: out loud and some way more than others. But everybody

531
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: more than something. Yeah, everybody wants to get Greece. But

532
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: so you know, some people that Bank of American, some

533
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: people got still briefcases. Hey look at this, like at

534
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: the opener savings account. This is pretty cool. Thank you, NBA.

535
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: I got to fill up my Rush card, which are

536
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: still okay in two thousand five. Not in the future though,

537
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: you know, because of what Russia did. Okay, here's another

538
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: example that people point to, and this one is uh

539
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: this one, Oh, this one hit home for me. I

540
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: don't you're from Atlanta, You're I have to assume that

541
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: you were a Hawks fan growing up, or at least

542
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 1: I'm a Bulls fan. I spent my summers in Chicago.

543
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,040
Speaker 1: Oh shit, family, my family is from that way. I

544
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: wasn't sports fan. So my family that was a sports

545
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: fan was all the Chicago. So I when I was

546
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 1: going up there to summer, I'm I'm a Bulls fan.

547
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,479
Speaker 1: I got you. So you're a Bulls fan growing up?

548
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: I will say that, I I think it was impossible

549
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: not to be a Bulls. I'm from Chicago as well,

550
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: so I'm from very easy, very easy to be a

551
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 1: bull fan. It was easy being a Bulls fan all

552
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: the way up till nine and then they got real

553
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: easy to stop being a Bulls fan when all we

554
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 1: had was Tony Cook coach to protect us. But during

555
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: that time, one of the teams that I gravitated towards

556
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: was the Sacramento Kings. I was a huge Sacramento King fan,

557
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: largely because of Chris Webber and then like Bibby and

558
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: as you know, in the two thousand two finals, the

559
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: Western Conference Finals, the Kings faced the Lakers, and it

560
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: is I would say, one of the more infamous rigging arguments,

561
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: or at least arguments that a rigging took place. The

562
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: the Sacramento Kings are up three two in the series.

563
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: There the the clear your favorites at this point to

564
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 1: basically win the title, and then the refs start to

565
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: get involved and there's a bunch of videos you can

566
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 1: watch on YouTube that break down all the bullshit calls

567
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: and fake fouls and whatever whatever that happened. But basically

568
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: the Lakers end up coming back and winning the series

569
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: for three and the game six I think is the

570
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: one that's most infamous, as like, oh, they really just

571
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 1: sucked around on these guys and for years. I'll be honest,

572
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 1: I was. I was devastated by this loss. I really

573
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: wanted the Kings to win, but I didn't necessarily believe it.

574
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: But then, and I'm not sure how much you've heard

575
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: of this ref. Tim Donaghy, who is UH now literally

576
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: gone to uh I think jail for the ship or

577
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: at least been fined insane amounts of money had has

578
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: come forward and specifically in terms of this game, which

579
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,719
Speaker 1: he did ref he was like, yo, we bullshit at that.

580
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: The league wanted us to make sure that the Lakers

581
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,359
Speaker 1: won or at least kept a series going as long

582
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: as they could. I think it's harder now with technology

583
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: to do what with that two thousand two finals did

584
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 1: UH in the in the very obvious takes a little

585
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: more time to to see replay where we didn't have

586
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: if as many you know, sidebars were arrest going to

587
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: talk about it and you get go watch footage in

588
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: real time. I think we all got too many cameras,

589
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: so it's a lot more difficult than that. But I

590
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: do think it's easier to allow a series to go

591
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: seven games because we know like this, I don't. I

592
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: think everybody's checked out of this for this finals. For example,

593
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: there's Golden State Mavericks series. It's like, we need Golden

594
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:42,720
Speaker 1: State healthy, don't get anybody hurt. Let them go ahead

595
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: and get four and out. We need them healthy for

596
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: the final. They still really like seven games. We want that.

597
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,240
Speaker 1: We want to see seven games, So the finals going seven,

598
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: but the conference finals we need Stephen collect We get

599
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: the most money when these month buggers are healthy. And

600
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: at that point, we there's nobody in the league who

601
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: thinks that the Dallas Mavericks are gonna win it. So

602
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: what the funk are we giving them a chance for?

603
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: Why are we? Men? Luca dropped his he got his stats,

604
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: he do it well. We like him. No, no, just

605
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: like we we He's fine. Yeah, Reggie Bullock isn't gonna

606
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: be your the finals MVP, So let's just move on

607
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: and let these boys. Let's get Clay and and and

608
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: the boys and Draymond so he can get back to

609
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: his podcast. Draymond's got some big guests coming up, and

610
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: we we can't afford for him to have a sore throat.

611
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: Let's let these boys win. You know he likes yelling.

612
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: We gotta get him off the floor. But me, Roopa

613
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 1: has talked about this all the time, shouts of rope

614
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: and we talked about this all the time. Is um

615
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: is like things to make the game more exciting but

616
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: also make it fair. And you're talking about the referees

617
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: right now. Make me feel like what we should do

618
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 1: is at least once a game which we have to decide,

619
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: when we can let Twitter decide, the real Twitter, not

620
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: the box, the real the real Twitter. We left the

621
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: real Twitter decide which call that when they go over

622
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: to the sidelines, which call is going to be a

623
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: fan decided call? But it can't. It can't be a fan.

624
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,240
Speaker 1: Excuse me. It has to be a woman who doesn't

625
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: watch the sport. Oh that's smart, Okay, yeah, because if

626
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: it's a fan, there's so much bias cooked into it. Right,

627
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: I'm never listen. Clay Thompson, to me, is the greatest

628
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: human being to ever walk this planet Earth. He's he's

629
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: beat autism and he's made his way to to arguably

630
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,479
Speaker 1: the second bet shooting position in the history of the game.

631
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: He's so fun so funny to me, I love him

632
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: to death. I'm not calling a call against Clay Thompson.

633
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: I don't give a funk what he did. He didn't

634
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: do it to me. I love Clay Thompson, so I

635
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: can't fairly answer any call. If you go Nope, I

636
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: didn't see nothing like not my sweet boy. You can

637
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: watch her on the Oculus and be like, I don't

638
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 1: see ship. I don't know that. That just looked like

639
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: a good man out there playing his hard out. Nope,

640
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: said he didn't do it. Clay didn't do it. Clay,

641
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: did you do it? All right? He said, you do it? Well, Hey,

642
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what we're talking about. That we wat

643
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: some time. Let's get back to the game. Boys, Clay

644
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: want to shoot? Uh No. But to that point, if

645
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: my wife was watching and she just goes and he

646
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 1: pushed them down, I'd be like, yeah, you're right, baby,

647
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: I don't yeah, like that was supposed to happen. And

648
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, okay, that was non biased.

649
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: You gotta explain what just happened, and this is what's

650
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,239
Speaker 1: not supposed to happen. Did she see that happen? And

651
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 1: she's gonna go that looks like it was fair to

652
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: me that Like, that wasn't that hard of a hint?

653
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 1: I was. Now that's perfect because when they go in,

654
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: the refs go and they like they meet up together

655
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: at the scores table and they're like debating the whole thing.

656
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 1: If you just added a nice lady in the middle

657
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: of their who's who's like that, they can take that

658
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: time to explain all the rules to her play the

659
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: thing back and then she goes, oh, yeah, no, you

660
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: can't do that, and then they can call the call

661
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 1: the way that it was. It was meant to be

662
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: called boom called the park at work in the park

663
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 1: a lot. Who'll tell you where to park? Could I

664
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: ask you? Real quick? She set seen nothing. If you're

665
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: ever at the fucking uh Staples Center, it guess not

666
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 1: Staples anymore, Crypto dot com, whatever the funk it is.

667
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: But if you're ever there, they're like those ladies that

668
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 1: sell those bacon wrap hot dogs out there. Actually I

669
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:01,320
Speaker 1: wasn't going that direct for a second, and then I

670
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: go Then I was like, no, events staff would probably

671
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 1: leaves me closer to the team she actually works there.

672
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: Give me, give me a very stout Mexican ladies selling

673
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,359
Speaker 1: bacon wrapped hot dogs and peppers. And I want her

674
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: to decide the the the ultimate. Yeah, I need her

675
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: to just the objectivist fuckingness. And then I want one

676
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: of them my dogs, so they'd be good than all Right,

677
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna take more more break. We'll be back for

678
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: more tone bell more, my mama told me. And we

679
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: are anyway. Yeah, we're back here with more tone bell more.

680
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: My mama told me. We're still talking about the possibility

681
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: that these leagues are rigging games for their own benefit

682
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: to make people richer. That is the theory that is

683
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: on the table. I have to ask you, do you

684
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: have you ever been the at the loss of one

685
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: of these rigged games. I know you said you're not

686
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: a betting man, but are you as a fan, as

687
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: a as a person just sort of like observing, have

688
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: you ever been fallen victim to what you feel was

689
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: a very rigged situation? I mean not really, not really

690
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: with consequences other than you know, I mean like emotionally

691
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: being like, oh man, I wish there was more basketball,

692
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: but uh, I don't think. Now I'm gonna say no,

693
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say no. But but I do think I

694
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: do think we were robbed of a little job this season. Oh,

695
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: I think John got where he was supposed to get,

696
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: meaning that Memphis wasn't supposed to make it past the

697
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 1: second round of the playoffs. Correct, But you think we

698
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: should have seen more job throughout the series, and that

699
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I would have loved to see more job.

700
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: I got you. I don't think the injury was. I

701
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,640
Speaker 1: think we had just enough job for him to go

702
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: have a good summer. Okay, hey, we did it. Memphis

703
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: is on fire. We look good for next year. He

704
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: had new face, the commercials are coming. It's he's a

705
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: brand now. He solidified. That saved him up because we're

706
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: gonna need him and to say we're gonna need him

707
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 1: in the future. He did his job, get him out

708
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: of here for now, and then let's let go go

709
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 1: and stay, go ahead and get their last run before.

710
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: That's really interesting because I think, to some extent, it's

711
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: almost like I think when when I think about these

712
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:48,200
Speaker 1: rigging situations. To some extent, Kevin Durant feels like the

713
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,280
Speaker 1: type of guy. And I'm a big fan of Kevin Durant,

714
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: but he feels like the type of guy that wouldn't

715
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: play along in whatever this ship is, you know what

716
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: I mean that like if if any player in the

717
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 1: league was like, no, nigga, it's gonna be k D.

718
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: And I feel like his injury the season that Golden

719
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: State lost to Toronto feels very much like that, where

720
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: it was like they told him k D, you gotta

721
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,239
Speaker 1: sit out, dog, you're injured in a way that you

722
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't be or that you know it's gonna not necessarily

723
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 1: protect the brand, and he was like, funk that I'm

724
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: playing basketball. And the league was okay with it to

725
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: some extent because it still puts Kevin Durant on the floor,

726
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,359
Speaker 1: which everybody wanted to see and could be a hero story.

727
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: But then when he got injured, they were like, fun,

728
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:37,479
Speaker 1: we knew this nigga was gonna cost us some money.

729
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: Righteous man, if you don't go get a haircut and

730
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: sit down with the ethics. Yeah, he seems like he

731
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 1: just loves basketball more than uh whatever millionaire games are

732
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: being played, so he's gonna go. He's gonna go play

733
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: even if they tell him not to. I mean, I

734
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,360
Speaker 1: think it's my thing. The smart Cats are doing what

735
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: they do like, you know the cats who know that. Man,

736
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 1: I might got two or three more seasons left, so

737
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: let me go ahead and figure out why next career

738
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: is gonna be. And Katie's like, hey, man, I lay

739
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: step past me to the ball like I'm I played basketball. Man,

740
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 1: I've got nothing else. I ain't got no kids, i

741
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 1: ain't got no wife. I like basketball. I'm going for

742
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: another ten season. Were you gonna have to go play

743
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: in the Big Three? You better call ask. Yeah, we

744
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: can't keep it. We can't afford whatever. This personality is

745
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: around all the time. Another thing bring up all the time.

746
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,480
Speaker 1: It's like I wish because like this is like the

747
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: narrative of these things. I wish that there was like

748
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 1: a game within a game, right, so I wish it

749
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 1: like instead of this one. Just I'm thinking about this

750
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: right now. But you cant file on the three, right

751
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: you shooting foul on the three? You can choose whether

752
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: or not you take three free throws or everybody clears

753
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: the court. We play one on one for three points.

754
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: Who oh, that's exciting. Now, that's that's fucking exciting. You

755
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,439
Speaker 1: get thirty, you get shot seconds, maybe you get maybe

756
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: you get your four teeth. But you got I got

757
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: four these seconds. It's quick. You filed me. If I score,

758
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: are you one on one? I get my three? And

759
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: if if and if and if you if you stopped me,

760
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 1: then y'all get y'all get the possession. Oh that's really

761
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: fun because then it feels like it's uh, it's kind

762
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: of he got game quality to it, where it's like

763
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: you're kind of rooting for the jail nigger to come

764
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 1: out of this, but no, Ray Allen's gonna push him

765
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: down and dunk on his bitch ass because because you

766
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: know you are you go here nigga bought a lie

767
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: every everyone on one, every one on one. I wish

768
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: we would do this more. I'll say this very exciting premise. Truly,

769
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that the egos of this league could

770
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 1: could even begin to manage what you're suggesting. It would

771
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: destroy Ali so many people emotionally too. At the point

772
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,279
Speaker 1: that you get knocked down and dunked on, you would

773
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: people would melt down for short. Oh, I mean we live,

774
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: you know how we live in now? Everything? I mean, yes,

775
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: within the game, I got play. I mean it's gonna stop.

776
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: You always gonna take us one person to get injured

777
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 1: that they couldn't afford. Right, if takes that link, if

778
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 1: Lebron takes that kind of l it's over. It's it's done. Yeah, okay,

779
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 1: I love that. Let's let's dig back into a few

780
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: more of these examples before we we wrap this up.

781
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: This is a really interesting one. There's a draft lottery

782
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: that I guess is one of the more infamous moments

783
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: of quote unquote rigging, and there are a few examples

784
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: of rigging throughout history. Some argue that even Lebron being

785
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: drafted to the Calves is another example of rigging. He's

786
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: a hometown kid who suddenly is now being drafted to

787
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: the team and magically creates, you know, this narrative of

788
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: of salvation despite the next best player being what was

789
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: that Moe Williams. It was like he truly had nothing

790
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: on that team Anderson vere Jael. I think where his

791
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: two next best Larry Hughes. That was all garbage. That said.

792
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: The nineteen five draft lottery is when, for some reason,

793
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: the league opted to shift from their traditional ping pong

794
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: balls to pull the names of the teams as they're

795
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: being picked for the numbers, and instead shifted to these

796
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: giants almost like uh, vinyl disc cards, do you know

797
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like the thing the envelopes that you

798
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 1: keep vinyling. They use those and put those in a

799
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 1: giant spinny wheel, right, And so everybody is like, this

800
00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 1: is a little weird, but I guess the league's trying

801
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: something different. But then on top of that, the GM

802
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: of the Atlanta Hawks this year nine came forward before

803
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: the draft even happened and said, the Knicks are going

804
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,959
Speaker 1: to get the first pick because they are the team

805
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: that the NBA is invested in the most, because of

806
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: the the sort of like scale of their market. Everybody

807
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: starts bugging out about the fact that he says that.

808
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: But then even worse than Knicks do in fact get

809
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: the first pick, and they get Patrick Ewing that year,

810
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: which then just sort of solidifies the kerfuffle. And inside

811
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,359
Speaker 1: of that, this is my favorite part of the whole thing.

812
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: People discovered that the accounting firm that was in charge

813
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: of the cards and in charge of this lottery as

814
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: a whole, was in fact owned by you guessed it,

815
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: the New York Knicks, and the person who specifically was

816
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: in charge of placing the cards inside of it was

817
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: a person inside of the Knicks organization. Uh. And there

818
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: are some people who even argue, this is the craziest

819
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 1: part that they froze the Knicks card so that David Stern,

820
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:06,280
Speaker 1: when he reached his hand in could differentiate the Knicks

821
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: card versus the other ones. So what it just wasn't

822
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: a red and all the rest of them are white.

823
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: This one. It's like, I mean, here's the hard part,

824
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:24,360
Speaker 1: Like would you even care? Hey? Man? Like it's that

825
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: That's that's the hard part to me is like I

826
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: understand that people probably couldn't handle it, but I think

827
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: most of us will go. I don't know, man, New York.

828
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they make a lot of money, they spend

829
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: a lot of moneys in expensive place. Yeah, they do

830
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: deserve to go number one. And then you get to

831
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: mid season, after the draft, you go, man, who's who's

832
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: killing it right now? Before the trade deadline? What can

833
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: we do? I think sports fans can handle that ship.

834
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: I do, but I think there's there There hasn't been

835
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: an element of surprise and unknowing not knowing, So they

836
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 1: have to make it exciting because I mean, I remember

837
00:49:55,080 --> 00:49:57,000
Speaker 1: win the whole lottery because we didn't used to see

838
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: really the draft lottery like that, like now it's a

839
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: huge event. It was kind of like, you know, it's

840
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's out here and you know what happens.

841
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: But then it became like, you know, just a real

842
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: big short an entire day. It's a production. Yeah, but

843
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean that's hard because I I

844
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: don't disagree with how they did it. I just go,

845
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: that's like what they should have done. It's like, let

846
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: us they should have went to um like a make

847
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 1: a wish, like they should have brought a blind kid out.

848
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: And then somebody whispers, reach for the reach for the

849
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: cold one, right, if you feel cold, you got it yet,

850
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: teaching what cold is. What you do is you make it.

851
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,720
Speaker 1: You make it. You make them all different, every envelope,

852
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: thirty different colors. So there's no way he saw it right,

853
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: and just like he just he just reached it there

854
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 1: and then like he just whispered, hey man, get the

855
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: cold one. And then there's like oh ship and people

856
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: love this blind kid, and it seems like something else.

857
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:58,759
Speaker 1: I think to your point, that's that's part of the

858
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: problem that they keep facing, right, is that they keep

859
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: using the same motherfucker's to do the thing and pretending

860
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: like we're not supposed to start calling bullshit like at

861
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: the core of it. If you want to rig sports,

862
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying you should or you shouldn't, but

863
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: if you want to rig sports, stop making the head

864
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 1: of the league the face of each event, you know

865
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like you said, bring in some weirdos

866
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: and some some extra folks that have nothing to do

867
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: with it to be the face of these choices so

868
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: that it feels at least somewhat objective, or at least

869
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 1: feels like a third party is involved in some kind

870
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: of way. But David Stern, he's a part of all

871
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: of you. You gotta come in looking like you don't

872
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: know shit about it and go, hey man, you gotta

873
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,319
Speaker 1: win your contract to act like you don't know shit

874
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: about this. And you just got picked up up three

875
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 1: like a lot of like a lottery winner. And then

876
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: that's it. Yeah, did your one season now Walking the

877
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: Chocolate Factory. Baby. We already knew Charlie was gonna get

878
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: up in there, but Maga seem like he's in trouble.

879
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like people can handle that,

880
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 1: Like the way we grew up evicually found out that

881
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: wrestling was a storyline, and still it does well. Yeah,

882
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: I think the wrestling analogy is a good one for

883
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,759
Speaker 1: me because it reminds me of how I was very

884
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,880
Speaker 1: invested in wrestling as a kid, and I remember there

885
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: would be weeks where like Stone Cold or The Rock

886
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: would like take off, right, like they just weren't a

887
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: part of it. They weren't, you know, it wasn't in

888
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: the stories or like the you know, there was a

889
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: point where I think like one of them had gotten

890
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: injured and that was like part of the storyline was

891
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,279
Speaker 1: like they aren't they aren't wrestling anymore whatever, And I

892
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: didn't like those stories, right, I remember as a kid

893
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: being like, fun, man, those are my favorites. I want

894
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: them to be a part of it. But then there

895
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: was also the moment when they came back, and that

896
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: was so much more meaningful and exciting than if they

897
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 1: would have kept just doing their bit every week, the

898
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: same as always. And so I think, to some extent,

899
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: that's what we're getting, right. It's more of a hero

900
00:53:07,440 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: story for Cleveland to have Lebron James lose Lebron James,

901
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: Lebron comes back and gives them a championship than it

902
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 1: is for Lebron to just stick it out for the

903
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: entirety of his career and then ultimately earn himself a championship.

904
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Somewhere in the middle of that, well, I mean like

905
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: it's it's like and I don't know, I'm sure we

906
00:53:27,719 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: could string this together. But but but even having for

907
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: for Lebron to go from Cleveland to Miami back to

908
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: Cleveland and then get to l A is like, we

909
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 1: can make that happen, but you gotta go back to

910
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: you owe Cleveland more give them one before and I

911
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: don't think that's him and go, hey man, it didn't happen. Yeah, yeah,

912
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 1: he probably was like I don't want to go back

913
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: to NA. We'll let you go to al started paying

914
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: my mortgage in l A. I'm moving, And then they

915
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 1: do we actually don't give a funk about your more.

916
00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 1: Just you two inside. Now you got you gotta do this.

917
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,239
Speaker 1: You get well Cleveland one, give you space jam. How

918
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: about that? Are you gonna do that? Oh that's good

919
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: that They were like, man, we'll give you that, but

920
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: like we're gonna need one. Persons need space Jam. You

921
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: don't gotta be good. In fact, you can go out

922
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: of your way to make it got awful, but you

923
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 1: gotta give us another space jam. So staying on the

924
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,239
Speaker 1: David Stern is Evil track, there are a couple more

925
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: examples of David Stern sort of doing some of some

926
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 1: of his wild according to at least some people who

927
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 1: are accusing him. Ship In two thousand six, the Finals

928
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: win Dwyane Wade and the Heat. This is the the

929
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: Shock and Dwyane Wade Heat, not the Lebron and Dwyane

930
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: Wade Heat. But they were facing the Mavericks and Dwyane Wade.

931
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:56,400
Speaker 1: They're down, uh, they're down two oh to the MAVs

932
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 1: at this point. They're they're almost certainly about to lose

933
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 1: this game. I think they were down by like almost

934
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: twenty in the third game. And then Dwyane Wade went

935
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: on to shoot as many free throws as the entire

936
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,600
Speaker 1: Mavericks team that game. So in the third game, he

937
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: shoots as many free throws as the entire team, which

938
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: I think is twenty five plus free throws on his own,

939
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: ultimately wins that game and then goes on to shoot

940
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 1: similar amounts of free throws throughout the rest of the

941
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: series and wins them a championship, and then Mark Cuban

942
00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: is so angry at what's happened that he comes forward

943
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: and says that it was rigged. He comes forward and

944
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: says that the refs bullshited this game in the league's favor,

945
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: and then gets fined a quarter of a million dollars

946
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty thousand dollars for talking out of turn.

947
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,640
Speaker 1: That season. Love Mark cuba for that, and I go,

948
00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's a double standard. You know, when the

949
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 1: when the rig goes you away. M hmm, you know.

950
00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, if I'm not mistaken, this is this

951
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,920
Speaker 1: is at this point, d Wade is with Nike. He

952
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 1: has a shoe. They they're doing this whole campaign. You

953
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: know you you fall down eight times, get up nine right,

954
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: and that this year and they're talking about all these files.

955
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: This this these are those years when he was he

956
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: jumped and not know how he's coming down, so he

957
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: always end up on his back or or chest or something. Yeah.

958
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: This was This was the Duane Wade and Derrick Crows

959
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: I think had similar instincts of like, I I'm just

960
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: gonna leave everything in in the air and see what

961
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 1: the funk happens, and uh, sometimes it worked out really

962
00:56:34,040 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 1: well and then sometimes it uh ended their career real early.

963
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: So I mean you're talking about this is not even

964
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: like I mean, we need we need more time for

965
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: to make this ad go, right, this Nike ad go?

966
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,279
Speaker 1: What is it? What is gonna be his thing? Mm hmm,

967
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: what's his narrative? What's what's gonna be this thing? We

968
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: gotta get him? Oh so, yes, I mean so so

969
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: the fact that they win the series. But now they

970
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 1: got all this foot of they got montage after montage

971
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: of end game getting foul. It's really not a foul,

972
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: but but he's going to the line and he's strong

973
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: as funck and he's and he's a big ship talker,

974
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: so he's gonna go up there, get knocked down, dunk

975
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: it or do a weird spin and put it in.

976
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 1: And then you get footage of him now like on

977
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:25,959
Speaker 1: the ground being like yeah, yeah, yeah, that's to your point,

978
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,880
Speaker 1: great footage for Nike or whoever is should sell it.

979
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, we all know what built Miami.

980
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: Then ref's probably scared shitless if Miami don't win. Yeah,

981
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: the cocaine boys are uh courtside they they're not talking

982
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: out a turn in Miami. Hey man, everybody Miami were

983
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:55,360
Speaker 1: all white to the games. Cokaine. That ain't for the team. No,

984
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,600
Speaker 1: this is this is a personal This is personal for them.

985
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 1: They would they wouldn't even be called the heat that

986
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:06,200
Speaker 1: they could call them the the what the my Miami cocaina,

987
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 1: they could have it that they can call it powder

988
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: if they can call it anything else. My the Miami

989
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: good stuff, the Miami Let's party and you like the

990
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: party is a big number one. They do the pinky

991
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: with long with the long nail on it has a

992
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: long nail on it and a little there's a little

993
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: bit of unexplained dust right right at the end of that.

994
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: Thank you, just a little bit, not enough that it

995
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 1: defends the children. But we number one. Bro Okay. I'll

996
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: point to to arguably the most glaring historical example of

997
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: the rigging, or certainly the one that that feels most

998
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: present to today, the fiasco that took place when Chris

999
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: Paul is vetoed from joining the Lakers by David Stern. So,

1000
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,680
Speaker 1: David Stern, I don't know how well you remember this,

1001
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,959
Speaker 1: but Chris Paul plays for the Hornets at the time

1002
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. He ultimately is deciding to leave. The

1003
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: Hornets are then going to make a three team deal

1004
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: to land Chris Paul in the Lakers. Now here's where

1005
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 1: it gets weird is that I go back and go

1006
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: back one more time. I'm trying remember this. It's Chris

1007
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:29,440
Speaker 1: Paul leaving the Hornets trying to go to the Lakers.

1008
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: I believe it is two thousand six. I want to say, no,

1009
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: it might have been. It might have been later than that.

1010
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm not a I'm not remembering the the year. Well,

1011
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: so I apologize to the listeners. Please don't yell at me.

1012
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: But long story short, this is right before Chris Paul

1013
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 1: actually ends up on the Clippers. So whatever year he

1014
00:59:50,800 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: ends up on the Clippers, this was the year he

1015
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: attempted to go to the Lakers. They were trading for

1016
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 1: him to go there, but New Orleans didn't have an

1017
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 1: owner at the time. For whatever reason, their team did

1018
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: not have an owner, and when you don't have an owner,

1019
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 1: the head of the league becomes the sort of like

1020
01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 1: acting owner for the team. David Stern and David Stern

1021
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,720
Speaker 1: vetoed the deal, saying that Chris Paul and Kobe Bryant

1022
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: would be too much of a impossible duo for anybody

1023
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: to be and said that it wouldn't be beneficial to

1024
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: New Orleans and then forced them into a trade that

1025
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 1: actually ended up way worse for New Orleans than they

1026
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: would have been if they ended up with the I

1027
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 1: think they were gonna get like four pretty solid players

1028
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: in exchange for Chris Paul and then ended up with

1029
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:45,360
Speaker 1: like complete bullshit afterward. M M. That those interesting here too,

1030
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: because like if if, if those years are right where

1031
01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 1: you're talking, this is it's a lot, it's a lot

1032
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: happening these years. So yes, because you gotta spread the

1033
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: wealth right with this, I mean, that's that's the it

1034
01:00:57,280 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: has to be. It has to be shared a you know,

1035
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: we gotta we have a narrative because I mean, this

1036
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: is we're kind of talking about the same era because

1037
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 1: we're still talking about Dwayne because uh Wade, Wad only

1038
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: got to Miami because of some trade to Indiana in

1039
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: the medical condition, right, so I forgot I forget the

1040
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: player's name, but that went to Indiana. Wade ends up

1041
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: going to Miami because he was supposed to go to Toronto.

1042
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: We're supposed to go Toronto, So it's it's a bunch

1043
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: of ship that that happens there. But they're also gonna

1044
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 1: keep They're gonna keep Kobe there, and because the Bronch

1045
01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 1: probably already trying to get there, Yeah, there's probably there's

1046
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: probably like, hey, we can't you can't come here until

1047
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: Kobe's done. And this is to be clear, this is

1048
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 1: two thousand and eleven. I was I was way off

1049
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:46,320
Speaker 1: in my years, but basically Los Angeles would have ended

1050
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 1: up with Chris Paul. New Orleans would have ended up

1051
01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 1: with Lamar Odin, Kevin Martin, Louis Luis Scola born Dragic,

1052
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 1: all of which they would have all ended up on

1053
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: New Orleans, and then the Rockets would have gotten Paua Saw.

1054
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,760
Speaker 1: That would have been the the three team trade that

1055
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:07,640
Speaker 1: was happening for all of these players, and then David

1056
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:10,280
Speaker 1: Stern was like, nah, we're good and then Chris Paul

1057
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 1: ultimately found himself on the Clippers instead. What what what?

1058
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: What year did say? I don't know this, but I'm

1059
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 1: wonder what year did Chris Paul take the position of

1060
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: Player Association President? Oh, I can find out. I don't

1061
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:24,960
Speaker 1: know off the top of my head, but I definitely,

1062
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: because you know those I mean to me, those kind

1063
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: of things like oh, now you've got too much say so,

1064
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: or we have to make it. Let you think you

1065
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: have too much say so? So, now you start being vocal.

1066
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: And apparently he's a when it comes to the players,

1067
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:37,320
Speaker 1: if I'd not mistaken, I think he's a pretty good

1068
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: reputation as the president. I know on the court people,

1069
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:43,720
Speaker 1: I think I think he is extremely well liked as

1070
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:47,920
Speaker 1: a representative for the players in the league and also

1071
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: extremely hated as a person you have to play against

1072
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: in the league, if that makes sense. See people funk

1073
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: with him. They love that he goes so hard for them,

1074
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: and then they're like, fuck is snaked for falling down

1075
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 1: on top of me and getting a free call? And yes,

1076
01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: Olivia is correct to is when he became the the president.

1077
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: So he clearly this feels like it's out of a

1078
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: response to David Stern fucking over his potential championship with Kobe.

1079
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 1: So you're talking about, Look, you don't just start overnight

1080
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 1: when I become the president. That means you're very vocal. U. Yeah,

1081
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: a couple of years leading up to that's hard to

1082
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's hard because I mean, we're that

1083
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: these are years where technologies getting better, iPhones getting better,

1084
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: people can talk quicker. I mean you start to hear

1085
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: ship talking crazy now, yes, And so to that point,

1086
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 1: the ship talking got so intense for David Stern and

1087
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: the League that there are some who argue that is

1088
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 1: the reason why, very shortly after Anthony Davis was drafted

1089
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 1: to New Orleans, despite them having I think only an

1090
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,760
Speaker 1: eleven percent chance or some very low percent chance of

1091
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: getting the number one pick, they end up getting Anthony

1092
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:02,480
Speaker 1: Davis that year. And this is them the league essentially

1093
01:04:02,560 --> 01:04:04,720
Speaker 1: trying to make up for the fact that they fucked

1094
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 1: over not only New Orleans but also the league as

1095
01:04:08,080 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: a whole by nixing this this trade. But isn't it

1096
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean it's such a soap opera, yes, which is

1097
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: we can go to any scenario. But then here's the thing.

1098
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I believe everything you just said. All

1099
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:28,160
Speaker 1: every the five stories we read that we saw had

1100
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 1: to unfold for us to know them, right, So like,

1101
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 1: so this is history when it comes to the league.

1102
01:04:33,080 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: And also it's it's what I don't like. It's like,

1103
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: oh man, that's interesting. I've gotta be honest, man, I'm

1104
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:39,959
Speaker 1: still watching the game. I still love it. I don't

1105
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 1: really care. I don't you tell me it's something that

1106
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:45,600
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I don't like being lied to. Sure, I

1107
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: don't like it, but I'm well, I'm still gonna go

1108
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 1: to the games. I'm still gonna watch him. I'm still

1109
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: gonna hate Jacob Stay for him for being the most

1110
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:57,760
Speaker 1: active actor and is everywhere. That's that's gonna mean a

1111
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 1: lot to him coming from you, But even one of

1112
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: us could have had that job, either one of us.

1113
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: Sure it's not it's not a super challenging job, but

1114
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,400
Speaker 1: it does seem like it takes a lot of work

1115
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 1: that uh, I'll be honest, I'm not willing to do.

1116
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,600
Speaker 1: I couldn't do some of what Jake has to do

1117
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 1: a year. But also he's Jake's stay far and forever.

1118
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: Like if he's in bed and he was like, say

1119
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:28,320
Speaker 1: my name, you're gonna make a smash with a red

1120
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 1: T shirt off? All right, But what really gives me

1121
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 1: about it is like when you talk to people, even

1122
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: just in passing, and you talk to somebody about it

1123
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 1: like this and they go, no, man, I don't believe it.

1124
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,560
Speaker 1: Why would they do that, I go, there's no, there's

1125
01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,120
Speaker 1: nothing about it that seems like kind of weird, Like

1126
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: it's not orchestrated. They just have the conversation like that's

1127
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: what I don't like. I don't like talking to people

1128
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,440
Speaker 1: about it like this, and they like, I can't see that,

1129
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: Like you can't see it, right. I'm not saying you

1130
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: gotta believe it, but you can't see it. Let's play

1131
01:05:57,720 --> 01:06:00,120
Speaker 1: the game. Let's entertain each other a little bit with

1132
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: this conversation. I think to the the original point you made,

1133
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: and this was one that, uh sat good in my spirit.

1134
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 1: It felt correct for everything that I I sort of

1135
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: believe in this is. It makes for great stories and

1136
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: it makes for a good conversation. It's the fun that

1137
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: that also is added to the league. If it's too rigged,

1138
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:24,120
Speaker 1: it's not fun anymore. We don't want this to actually

1139
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,720
Speaker 1: be wrestling. But if it's just rigged enough, then we

1140
01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: all get to feel like we can reinvest in our

1141
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: teams and the possibility of of maybe the rig working

1142
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,440
Speaker 1: in our favor in a way that we won't be

1143
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,800
Speaker 1: able to if we just know the Lakers or the

1144
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 1: Celtics will always be the best team. Because of history

1145
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: and circumstance more than just chance and fun. I mean

1146
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,360
Speaker 1: it might help it. I mean you don't want ship

1147
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: leaning too far. I mean some shi it has itself correct.

1148
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: It's not too robotic, It's not it doesn't look like

1149
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: the same thing happened every night. I mean you still

1150
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 1: get you know, explosive players and highlights and used to

1151
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: get all the cool stuff. And then sometimes you gotta

1152
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 1: manipulate because it is a business. Fuck it, Yeah, it's

1153
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,440
Speaker 1: a business. And and goddamn it, we're dealing with the

1154
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 1: most business e business men there are. They truly are

1155
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:17,439
Speaker 1: all billionaires who are gonna make business as choices, even

1156
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 1: when it comes to fucking athletics. Hey man, Buffalo wild

1157
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: Wing sell sizes now, And what a great way for

1158
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: us to leave this conversation. Buffalo wild Wing cells thighs now.

1159
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: That's all you need to know. That's that's the answer

1160
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,960
Speaker 1: to all of y'all questions and concerns. Here love to him.

1161
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:40,920
Speaker 1: I think we did it. I think this is a

1162
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,080
Speaker 1: wonderful I had a great time. Could you tell the

1163
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: people had a wonderful time? Man? Yeah? Could you tell

1164
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 1: the people at home where they can find you? What

1165
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: cool ship you have going on. Man, I just I mean,

1166
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: I just finished a new movie last week. That's the

1167
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: Looming Tunes movie. I just finished that, which which I'm

1168
01:07:56,560 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: excited about that to be out next year. I got

1169
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 1: a movie come out on Netflix that they haven't announced yet,

1170
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna say the name, but look out

1171
01:08:03,040 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 1: forward to see my face. Uh. And then I got

1172
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: a new show coming out on Netflix in September that

1173
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,320
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say that the name of because they

1174
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: haven't announced it yet, but man, look out for me. Man,

1175
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 1: I'm out here and I'm Tone Bell on all the

1176
01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: socials I don't post about these days. I'll be out

1177
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: here trying to live in real life and and uh

1178
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: and not record stuff all the time. But you know what,

1179
01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: if I get a couple of follows I filled post

1180
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: for ship, I post for ship, I probably should Yeah

1181
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: and T O N E B O L Man, you know,

1182
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:32,479
Speaker 1: follow your boy. Yeah, and funk Jake from Stay Farm

1183
01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:36,320
Speaker 1: because he's working too much, unlike you, who's who's keeping

1184
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:39,400
Speaker 1: it real cool and humble with your eighty eight jobs

1185
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,640
Speaker 1: that you just listed, but no follow Tone. He's hilarious,

1186
01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:44,840
Speaker 1: very talented and now always you can follow me at

1187
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: link st Kerman on all platforms. I ain't got ship

1188
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 1: going on, so I'll be available and posting about nothing.

1189
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,439
Speaker 1: Then we hang up. Can I Can I say this, yo,

1190
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:58,599
Speaker 1: I love bus down Brock. Yeah, I know I said

1191
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:00,599
Speaker 1: it on like probably on Instagram. But while I got

1192
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,560
Speaker 1: you live, man, I funk with it heavy man. I

1193
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: had a good time watching that because I didn't know

1194
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: what to expect. I knew y'all was doing it. Richard

1195
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: Keene is the homie and he was telling me about it,

1196
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: and I kind of didn't know what it was. I know,

1197
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: you've been working in a four minute you know that

1198
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 1: ship came together. But it's dope series. I always tell

1199
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,600
Speaker 1: people it's our toxic little baby. We we made some

1200
01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: you know, real weird and funked up and I'm glad

1201
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 1: people like it. I had a wonderful time even going

1202
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: to the episode when I was like, Yo, this is

1203
01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: not what I thought I was gonna be. But then

1204
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:32,160
Speaker 1: I watched. I watched the whole I watched the whole thing. Man.

1205
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 1: I funk with it, heavy man. There's no way, and

1206
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: I take a lot of Proude in this. That episode

1207
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: one could have been what you thought it was gonna be.

1208
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,439
Speaker 1: We didn't set up episode one to be whatever that

1209
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: was at all. So you know, I'm glad. I'm glad.

1210
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,320
Speaker 1: You dug it that. That means the world to me. Yeah,

1211
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: well we did it. I think this is it okay.

1212
01:09:52,640 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: By bitch from Ships in Your Hands, Uncle Wala bears

1213
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 1: were racist. The also player from Oaks, the money r.

1214
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:15,679
Speaker 1: She's in many Turkey stuff. I can't tell me nothing