1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noone Pacific. Find your local station for The Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 3: Here we go. 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: It is a Thursday, Greg Cosell. 12 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 3: In one hour, we are live. We're in Chicago. It's 13 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 3: the Herd. 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening. 15 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 3: Thanks for making us part of your day. 16 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: Sean, I was sitting with my wife last night in 17 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: front of the fire, and I want to relay because 18 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: you're a new parent. So and in this story with 19 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: the Niners reminds me of last night. So I want 20 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: to start the show. John here. I was sitting with 21 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: my wife and am having you know, cocktail front of 22 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: the fire. We have six kids between us, and I 23 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: made the analogy to my wife. We had a little 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: thing going on. I said, you know, honey, you and 25 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:20,040 Speaker 1: I are firefighters, and occasionally one of our six kids 26 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: becomes an arsonist. They're just starting fires. Sometimes the key 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 1: is they don't have two or three arsenists at the 28 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: same time. So you've got to really when you have issues. 29 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: Parenting's not about when your kids are eating their vegetables 30 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 1: and everybody's getting good grades and playing nice. That's not parenting. 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: That's like babysitting. That's easy. Parenting is crisis. What happens 32 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: when there's fire starters? What happens? You got to come in. 33 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: You're the firefighter. You're putting that puppy out. And that's 34 00:01:51,600 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: a little bit like being a quarterback in the NFL. 35 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: Everybody's good with a stacked roster. What happens? Ask Jalen hurts, 36 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: you lose your top offensive coordinator and receiver gets hurt. Oh, 37 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 1: that's real quarterback play, Dad's real quarterback play. I mean 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,679 Speaker 1: tip of the cap to Justin Herbert making the playoffs 39 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,600 Speaker 1: last year. That number one first round pick or that 40 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: first round pick receiver Quentin Johnson can't catch his rookie 41 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: slot was his only legitimate, dependable wide receiver and he 42 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: made the playoffs. That's quarterbacking. So the Niners this preseason 43 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: are a mess. DeMarcus Robinson suspended three games. They went 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: and got Sky Moore yesterday. Andy Reid bailed on him, 45 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 1: probably not going to work a Russell Gage who was 46 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: being counted on to help for the injured receivers. 47 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:42,800 Speaker 3: He's now hurt. 48 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: He's out for a couple of weeks, and since twenty eighteen, 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: with the exception of one year. And I don't have 50 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: an explanation for it. The Niners have been top ten 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: in injuries. A couple of years, they've been number one. 52 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 1: I mean, you can only wear pads so many days, 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: you can only practice so many days. Is I don't 54 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: know what it is, but I know this. That's that's 55 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: the separator. Patrick Mahomes won two Super Bowls and the 56 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: wide receiver situation was a mess whiffs, suspensions, drops, I think. 57 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: I think for a couple of years, kansasit. He led 58 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: the NFL and drops as Mahomes is winning Super Bowls 59 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 1: by the way. 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: CJ. 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: Stroud last year, Stefan digs out for the year, Tank 62 00:03:27,160 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: Dell hurt, Nico Collins hurt at one point, he's like 63 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: working with a left tackle having a bad season. And 64 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: his number three, four, and five wide receivers are his one, two, 65 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 1: and three receivers, and he won a playoff game and 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: Josh Allen win the MVP. His number one wide receiver 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: is a slot guy from Boise State. That's quarterback. It's 68 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 1: like parenting. Parenting is when stuff gets messy. That's real parenting, 69 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: all right, Parenting's not everybody's eating their beans and get 70 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: n ay's and you're not a helping with homework's. That's 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: not parenting. So I don't want to hear any excuses 72 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: for brock Purty because to me, this is the separation. 73 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: The separation in this league. 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,119 Speaker 1: Is, oh, your O line lost your center and right 75 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: tackle Michael Pennix. Right now in Atlanta, they traded Drew 76 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: Dolman or Drew Dolman signed with the Bears, a great center, 77 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,360 Speaker 1: and now they have two other offensive linemen hurt Michael Pennix. 78 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: This is not Washington, where you had one of the 79 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: top ten O lines and a great coach. Now you've 80 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: got a defensive coach and your old lines phone apart 81 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: in camp. That that is quarterback play for Michael Pennicks, 82 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: and this is quarterback play for Brock Purty. Nobody's healthy 83 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 1: at wide receiver. Debo deebo leaves ay Yuke's not there yet. 84 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: The guy you brought in to replace, at least for 85 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: the time being, your injured guy. 86 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 3: He just got hurt. 87 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan addresses the mess at wide receiver right now. 88 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 3: For the Niners, it's pretty tough. I mean, I promise you, guys. 89 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,479 Speaker 4: If it's a challenge for the fans, I promise you guys, 90 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: it's a bigger challenge for me just dealing with all this. 91 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,120 Speaker 4: But you know, we haven't had the best luck this year, 92 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: down probably more guys than we've had. 93 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 3: It's you know, it's a tough situation. 94 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 4: You got to keep practicing because we got to we 95 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 4: got to improve, We got to be ready for the season. 96 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 4: We got to continue to get better for the season. 97 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,160 Speaker 4: But it does make that a huge challenge with the 98 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: number of guys we've had down now. 99 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: I said, last year, stacked roster rock perty's getting you 100 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 1: to conference championships. Last year beat up, old, brittle roster. 101 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 1: A lot of guys hurt, won in six against playoff teams, 102 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: So the schedules easier. Kittle and McCaffrey are back. San 103 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: Francisco is going to be better. They're not going to 104 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: be won in six against playoff teams. But this is 105 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: quarterback play in the NFL. Brock pretty went to Diowa State, 106 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: that prepared him for the NFL pass rush. Second best roster, 107 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: not always the best coach. So that this Michael Pennix 108 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 1: and Brock Purty already between camp and preseason up against it, real, 109 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: real injury issues. And that schedule at Seattle for the Niners. 110 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: Arizona plays him tough, Jags Rams Bucks. Okay, I got 111 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: to talk about this yesterday. I got a text from 112 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: a couple of front office people. Yesterday. The Broncos Sean 113 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: Payton made a deal. You know how Trump wrote that 114 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: book Art of the Deal. This was Art of the steal. 115 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: The Saints are delusional. They don't realize they're going to rebuild. 116 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: A year ago, Sean Payton drafted an old receiver out 117 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: of Utah. He entered the NFL at twenty six years old. 118 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: Entered the NFL at twenty six years old. He's now 119 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: twenty seven. He'll be twenty eight in the season. They 120 00:06:59,440 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: draft him in the seventh round and they traded him yesterday. 121 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: They flipped him for a fourth and a seventh round pick. 122 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 1: And the Saints are gonna be bad. So that's going 123 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: to be top of the fourth and top of the seventh. 124 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: Art of the steel. The kids played one year in 125 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: the NFL. He's already older than Ceedee Lamb, so he's 126 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: probably got two to three years of prime left. And 127 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: Sean Payton knew it. And this is what great offensive 128 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: coaching does. You find insane value later in the draft, 129 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 1: you make it immediately productive within your system, and then 130 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: you sign it like a brock perty or you flip it. 131 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: So they're going to get a top of the fourth 132 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: and the top of a seventh round pick for a 133 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: receiver that'll be twenty eight by December. And he knew 134 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: next year, when he turns twenty nine in a season, 135 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: you're not gonna get the value for him. People are 136 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: gonna go, well, he's a year away from his prime. 137 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: So Sean knew this is the time to move off him. 138 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: You know, it's really smart. 139 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: So it's that Jordan Belfort, Wolf of Wall Street, sell 140 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: me this pen. That's what it feels like. And so 141 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: it's amazing the Saints got worked because they had Sean 142 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: Payton in the building for fifteen fifteen years that they 143 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: still got worked. But it's a great example offensive coaches. 144 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: Fine value late Niners have been in a couple of 145 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: times with Shanahan. Fine value late, make it immediately productive 146 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: and either sign them early to a good deal, get 147 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: them signed because you got them for free for four years, 148 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: or flip them early at the top and at Carolina, 149 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: by the way, Carolina has a really sharp young GM, 150 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: a former player, Dan Morgan. Carolina did this last year 151 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: where they got a fourth round pick from the Cowboys 152 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: for Jonathan Mingo, who's like a number three or four 153 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:52,040 Speaker 1: receiver in the league. 154 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 3: They got a fourth round pick. 155 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: He's heard, he's on the ir and he had five 156 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: catches for the Cowboys last year. So in every business, 157 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: in every single business, the smart guys, the haves are working, 158 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: the distracted and the delusional. The Saints are delusional, they're 159 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:08,880 Speaker 1: going a rebuild. 160 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 3: What are you doing? 161 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: The Sharks eat the minnows, the Hammers meet the nails, 162 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: And that's a great example. You wonder in yourself, how 163 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 1: is how is Sean Payton made this roster? How has 164 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 1: he made this offensive line? Number two? According to PFF 165 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: in like two years it was mediocre, bottom third of 166 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: the league. It's this kind of stuff, just knowing offensive personnel. 167 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,600 Speaker 1: Look what he's done to that receiving corp and that 168 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: offensive line. The reason they can move off de von Vleight, 169 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: The reason they can move off him, talented kid, by 170 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: the way, The reason they could move off him because 171 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: they've drafted and developed and hit on wide receiver talent. 172 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: So it's just it's just a little deal. But Sean 173 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: knows the Saints aren't going to be good. The kid's 174 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: going to be twenty seven, twenty eight years old in 175 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 1: season in one year, I probably can't move him. His 176 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: A will become a real topic and they get two 177 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: good picks hammer me in the nail. 178 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 5: That is A. 179 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: And Mark Cleroz was on our show either yesterday or 180 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: the day before talking about how Sean Payton has just 181 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 1: changed the Denver culture. 182 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 6: The difference between last year and this year was last. 183 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 5: Year we hoped we could win. This year we know 184 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 5: we can win. 185 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 3: And one of the big moves we made. 186 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:28,079 Speaker 5: Even if it was a. 187 00:10:28,120 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 6: Popular player, we got rid of popular players that weren't 188 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 6: the right guys. Guys that want to be here, Guys 189 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 6: that want to contribute, Guys that want to work hard, 190 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 6: guys that want to sacrifice for one another. 191 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 3: That's how we're building this roster. 192 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought that was when people reach out to 193 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: me in the league and they're like, whoa, it's like uninitiated. 194 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: I didn't you know, I responded, but I didn't send 195 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:58,839 Speaker 1: it out and I was actually distracted and my phone 196 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: light's up and it's like, yeah, I mean, that's just 197 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: Sean doing Sean's stuff. 198 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 3: And we've talked about this before. 199 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: I don't have the stats in front of me, but 200 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: the late great Tony Gwynn is one of the best 201 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 1: peer hitters I've ever seen in baseball. But you know 202 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 1: he wasn't hitting Oral Hirschheiser in Oral's prime. 203 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 3: Nobody was. 204 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: You got to get those hits off the number three 205 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: and four starter, the average middle reliever, the average setup guy. 206 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: In almost every business I've ever been a part of 207 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: is you've got to take advantage of the people that 208 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: are delusional and distracted and don't put in the prep 209 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: or the work that you're not working the best people, 210 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 1: you're not taking advantage of great You've got to find 211 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 1: people that are not paying attention or have a higher 212 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,120 Speaker 1: belief in reality that New Orleans makes that move, like 213 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: that's the kind of move that can win games now 214 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: and get us into the playoffs. That's not where New 215 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 1: Orleans is. 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He doesn't out think 230 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: the film forty six years at NFL Films thurs Days during. 231 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 3: The football season. 232 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: We love him so all right, so I let let's 233 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: this is where I lean on you. So I think 234 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: Shador's bigger. I think he I think he's really accurate. 235 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: But he's a different quarterback than Dylan Gabriel. They are 236 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: different quarterbacks. You've watched all you know, you watched Dylan, 237 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: You've watched Shadure. 238 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 3: What does the film say? What do you see is. 239 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: Who does Stefanski trust? Who do you face in pressure? 240 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: What is the film saying? The Browns young quarterbacks. 241 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 8: So I think we're trying to figure out who's going 242 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 8: to be quarterback number. 243 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 5: Three on the Browns right right? 244 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 8: Well, you know, Dylan Gabriel is a player that Stefanski 245 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 8: really liked because the way it works in the league, 246 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 8: Colin and you know this is offensive coaches. 247 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 5: They think about how does a player work within my scheme? 248 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 8: And what Gabriel is is he's essentially stylistically similar to 249 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 8: a too at tega Iloa in that he hits his 250 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 8: back foot and the ball comes out. He's a rhythm player. 251 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 8: He's a timing player. That's his game. He's a shorter quarterback, 252 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 8: so he needs to play that way and he did 253 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 8: that effectively for two years in college, one at Oklahoma, 254 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 8: one at Oregon. 255 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 5: Sanders is a little different player. 256 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 8: He's not quite as rhythmic, and he has a tendency 257 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:56,359 Speaker 8: and this showed. 258 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 5: Up on tape. 259 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 8: By the way, even though the good outweighed the bad 260 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 8: when he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift 261 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 8: a little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in 262 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:05,320 Speaker 8: the pocket. 263 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 5: Yep. 264 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 8: Now he can throw the ball well, but there are 265 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 8: some things he would have to clean up clearly. And 266 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 8: you know, he came from a program in Colorado where 267 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 8: there were. 268 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 5: A ton of tunnel screens, a ton of easy throws. 269 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 5: He would need to learn. 270 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 8: How to better navigate the pocket. Although he showed some 271 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 8: signs of that. But again, I think we're talking about, 272 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 8: you know, how many quarterbacks are. 273 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: The Browns going to keep. 274 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 8: No team keeps four quarterbacks, so it's going to be 275 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,240 Speaker 8: interesting going down the stretch here. And then Sanders got 276 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 8: hurt and missed some time in practice, and that's not 277 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 8: going to help him. 278 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: I mean what you're saying, basically, and we've seen this 279 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: from offensive coaches before, run my play. Sean Payton loves Bonnicks, 280 00:14:48,080 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: but he really likes him because he runs his play effectively. 281 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 1: And what you're saying is Dylan Gabriel like a TUA, 282 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: runs the play they call should do or sometimes add 283 00:14:58,320 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: libs out of it. 284 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,440 Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying, Oh. 285 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 8: It's not that he adam libs out of it. He's 286 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 8: not as efficient in that style of just hitting his 287 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 8: back foot and getting the ball out. You know, that's 288 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 8: the way Dylan Gabriel has always had to play because 289 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 8: of his size. 290 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 5: So, but that's the way. 291 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 8: Coaches think, and I'm not sure a lot of people 292 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 8: think that way and understand that is coaches. The term 293 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 8: that's used a lot with in the NFL is scheme 294 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 8: adaptability colin. Coaches think on both sides of the ball 295 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 8: in terms of how does the guy fit into my scheme? 296 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 5: Can he run my scheme? 297 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 8: You know? You know this, coaches worked sixteen hours a 298 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 8: day and they're putting in their scheme, their game plan. 299 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 5: It starts with OTAs. 300 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 8: They want all this executed, and when it's not executed, 301 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 8: then it becomes a problem. 302 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 3: Yeah. 303 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: So brock Purty, when the roster was younger, healthier, less brittle, 304 00:15:53,640 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: was a really really good quarterback. Last year roster gets 305 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: beat up. He's won in six against playoff teams out 306 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: right now in camp they're wide receiving corps in complete shambles, 307 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: and they open up against a pretty lively athletic Seattle 308 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: defense up in the Northwest that's a tough opener. So 309 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 1: when you looked at film last year of Purty going 310 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: one in six down the stretch against playoff teams that 311 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: he couldn't make certain throws, was it that the yards 312 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: after cats were limited? Like one in six from Purdy 313 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: kind of jumps out at you when you look at. 314 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 3: His early success. 315 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: Now without Christian McCaffrey, it's a different offense. But what 316 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: did the films say about Purty last year when he 317 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: had to start games with a patchwork group around him. 318 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 8: Well, it's funny you mentioned Purdy because last week I 319 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 8: watched two hundred and fifty dropbacks of Purty over a 320 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 8: two day period. Purdy is a really good quarterback, Colin. 321 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 8: The thing with Purdy is he's not Josh Allen or 322 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 8: Patrick Mahomes. He's not necessarily the kind of quarterback even 323 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 8: though he does have mobility that's going to make those 324 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 8: kinds of plays by himself. Now we think of you 325 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,679 Speaker 8: know that I'm a homes maker, Alan makes a Lamar makes. 326 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 8: He certainly doesn't navigate the pocket the way Joe Burrow does. 327 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,719 Speaker 8: But in terms of being what we call a post 328 00:17:12,720 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 8: snap operator, in other words, when he takes the snap. 329 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 8: He has such an intuitive feel for what he sees, 330 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 8: and therefore he's a really really good timing and anticipation thrower. 331 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 8: It's just innate to him. He sees it really quickly. 332 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 8: So Purdy is a high level post snap operator. He's 333 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:32,959 Speaker 8: a really really good player. 334 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 5: You know. It gets to that old question of how many. 335 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 8: Quarterbacks Colin and you can go back years and years 336 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 8: are really great when their team's not very good. 337 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 5: I mean, that's you know, Purdy is a really good quarterback. 338 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:50,239 Speaker 8: He's just not a dynamic athlete who's necessarily going to 339 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 8: make those kind of special plays on his own. But 340 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 8: as a pocket quarterback, he's pretty high level. 341 00:17:57,359 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: Boy, too bad. Jason McIntyre's now on the show today 342 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 1: be doing backflips after that. Okay, Caleb Williams, I went 343 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 1: through the schedule this week and I said, listen, Chicago 344 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: historically has struggled in division. They want one to five 345 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: last year in a vision. They don't have Detroit roster, 346 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 1: they may not have Green Bay's coach or quarterback, and 347 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: Minnesota's rosters better front to back as well. So what 348 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: have you seen with Caleb? What I'll address it this way. 349 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: What is Ben Johnson doing to Caleb. Where has he 350 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: made strides improving Caleb from what the film said last year? 351 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 8: Well, I think the number one thing is not when 352 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 8: he throws the ball. He's a great thrower of the football. 353 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 8: That is evident. Everybody knows that. And he's obviously a 354 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 8: great athlete who can make plays on the move. The 355 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,680 Speaker 8: main part for Caleb Williams and the key for Ben 356 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 8: Johnson is everything from the huddle until the ball is snapped. 357 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 8: Because they call multiple plays in the huddle, there's a 358 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 8: lot of shifts, there's a lot of motions. You've got 359 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 8: to be able to do that with the necessary speed 360 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 8: and efficiency. So you get to the line of scrimmage 361 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 8: and there's time enough on the shot clock because you're 362 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 8: going to have the shifts, you're going to have the motions. 363 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 8: Now it's up to Caleb to decide if there's two 364 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,919 Speaker 8: plays called, which one am I going to run? That 365 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 8: part of quarterbacking is the bigger deal for Caleb Williams 366 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 8: as he's learning the Ben Johnson offense, because Ben Johnson 367 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 8: will set you up beautifully with defined and clean reads 368 00:19:30,640 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 8: and throws, and Caleb Williams throws it as well as anybody. 369 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 8: I mean, you can see that everybody knew that when 370 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 8: he came out, that was never the issue. But it's 371 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 8: really from the point of the huddle until the ball 372 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 8: is snapped that's going to be the main part that 373 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 8: he has to become efficient at. 374 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: So so much of there's such an advantage for a 375 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: Jaden Daniels getting at Cliff Kingsbury, where a Justin Fields 376 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: has had a lot of defensive coaches. I do think 377 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: Sean Payton, Bo Nicks, I don't think bow would have 378 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: been that good had he had, you know, a defensive 379 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: coach perhaps, I think I think just offensive coaches and quarterbacks. 380 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: There's they rebuild all lines quicker. There's a sensibility about it. 381 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 5: Sure. 382 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: So I look at Jackson Dart three years with Lane 383 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: Kiffen is high level coaching, and then he gets Brian 384 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: Dable more than capable in a playoff game with Daniel Jones. 385 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: And my my thing is, you can you can tell 386 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: me that he's not quite ready. But three years a 387 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:32,360 Speaker 1: lane and a camp with Brian Dable. When you look 388 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: at the film of Jackson Darton preseason, do you see 389 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,200 Speaker 1: areas where oh, whoa, whoa, he's not ready or does 390 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 1: he see the field? 391 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 3: What does the film tell you? 392 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,680 Speaker 8: Well, they really did a good job in the preseason 393 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 8: of allowing him to get comfortable. And that's what the 394 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 8: preseason really is. For a lot of empty sets. Okay, 395 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 8: he's very comfortable in empty sets. 396 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 5: It spreads the field. 397 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 8: They got a lot of base defensive looks that were 398 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 8: not difficult to read. They play a little bit up tempo, 399 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 8: which he certainly used to in lane Kiffin. So they 400 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,040 Speaker 8: did a lot of things that help him really get comfortable. 401 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 8: So when he's on the field, you know, he's not 402 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 8: going through major progressions here. He's not doing that. If 403 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 8: he becomes the starter, and we'll see how all this 404 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 8: plays out, you know, who knows what's going on there. 405 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 5: But I don't know how you feel, But. 406 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 8: There's a part of me that wouldn't be surprised if 407 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 8: he's named the starter. 408 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 5: But we'll see how that plays out. 409 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 8: But they tried to make it easy for him so 410 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 8: that he can make confident throws, which he did, and 411 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 8: he obviously has movement ability so well. You know, obviously 412 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 8: when the regular season starts and teams game plan, things 413 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 8: get different because you're going to see a lot of 414 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 8: different things, but he certainly was efficient, just like Caleb 415 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 8: Williams was super efficient against the Bills. You know, second 416 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 8: and thirdeen players. But that's what you want. You want efficiency, 417 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 8: so the quarterback feels good. 418 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: I said, I didn't think the Steelers was a great 419 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: choice by Aaron Rodgers, much like the Jets defensive head coach, unpredictable, 420 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: offensive line inability in recent years to run the ball. 421 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: And I said, it's just this is an offensive line 422 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: under Mike Tomlin that has had six years and not 423 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: a lot to show for it. 424 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: They have not run the ball consistently. 425 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: They lose Nasie Harris, their left tackle, And I just 426 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: thought San Francisco, Minnesota. I thought there were better spots 427 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,479 Speaker 1: for him. So if you go back to the Jets 428 00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: and Aaron last year in the film, it could look 429 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: a little bit like the Steelers to me, are a 430 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: better run version of the Jets, right, like a better 431 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: front office, a better coach. Go back to the Jets 432 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: last year. Is Aaron way past his prime? Does he 433 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: do anything that resembles the great Aaron? 434 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 5: He he throws the ball super well. 435 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 8: You know, I think when you sign Aaron Rodgers, owhen 436 00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 8: he's your quarterback. To me, the bigger issue is how 437 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 8: you mesh would you want to do is an offensive coordinator, 438 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 8: and it's Author Smith with the fact that one of Rogers' 439 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 8: greatest strengths has always been his ability to control the 440 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 8: game at the line of scrimmage and then be able 441 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 8: to adjust and change plays, So that I think for 442 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 8: an offensive coordinator, that's something that you really have to 443 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,880 Speaker 8: work on because you don't want to take that away 444 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 8: from Aaron Rodgers because anybody who works with Aaron Rodgers 445 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 8: will tell you he's among the smartest quarterbacks they've ever seen, 446 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 8: and he's so good at the line of scrimmage in 447 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 8: controlling the game. 448 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 5: So to me, the larger question is how do you mesh? 449 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 8: How does Author Smith mesh what he wants to do 450 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 8: with his offense because he's got a clearly defined offensive 451 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 8: approach with the fact that Aaron Rodgers is so good 452 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,640 Speaker 8: at the line of scrimmage and likes to change things based. 453 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 5: On what he sees. 454 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So an interesting storyline that has developed this offseason 455 00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: in training camp and in the preseason is Matthew Stafford's help. 456 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: So if you think about last year, the Rams were 457 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: driving in the snow in Philadelphia after a Puka Nakuah 458 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: completion to beat the Philadelphia Eagles, who traunce Kansas City 459 00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl. So my take is the defense, 460 00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talent. I'm sure the film says that, 461 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: especially in the box. There's a lot of talent up front. 462 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: But when I look at their offense and their point 463 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: differential last year, does the film tell you this is 464 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: really this is about McVeigh and Stafford's brilliance, not really 465 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: the offensive roster composition. Because I said the other day, 466 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 1: I said, if Matt Stafford doesn't play, this is the 467 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: only team in the league that could win the Super 468 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: Bowl or finish four and thirteen, because I think even 469 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: Kansas City with their roster and their overall talent and 470 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: coaching could win seven eight games of Mahomes got banged up. 471 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: When you look at the Rams on film, what is 472 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: their offense? Is it basically the brilliance of two guys 473 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: and kind of a limited offensive roster. 474 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 8: To some extent, I mean, they don't have a great 475 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 8: offensive roster, and certainly the wide receiver position now is 476 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 8: they don't have great players there. You know, Nikup is 477 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 8: really good, but he's a certain kind of player. And 478 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 8: Stafford has just always been so good and another guy 479 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,040 Speaker 8: that is really good at understanding what he's seeing, changing plays, 480 00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 8: calling audibles, still has a big time arm, can make 481 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 8: any throw an aggressive thrower, which you really need to 482 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 8: be in the NFL. And McVeigh has always been so 483 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 8: good in terms of formations, shifts, motions, getting guys open, 484 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 8: making it tough for the defense. 485 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 5: But yeah, you're right. 486 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 8: Offensively, they do not have great players throughout that offense. 487 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 8: And Stafford's injury the back particularly, you know, don't forget 488 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 8: he had back injuries when he was twenty five and 489 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 8: twenty six. This is not brand new and now he's 490 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,719 Speaker 8: I think thirty seven. So you know, I love watching 491 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 8: Matthew Stafford play. He's always been one of my favorite 492 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 8: guys to watch on film. But I'd be a little 493 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,880 Speaker 8: concerned about that back injury. You know, that's a tough 494 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 8: deal as you get older. 495 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: Okay, finally, you know, I've always loved Sam Donald. Last 496 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: year through fourteen weeks, it was a very fun story 497 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: for me. But when you watched him, was it about 498 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,080 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell and Justin Jefferson? Do you see him going 499 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: to Seattle with a defensive coach with an offensive line 500 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: that was bad last year? Do you think he replicates it? 501 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: Is he now overvalued based on a remarkable coach Justin Jefferson, 502 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: solid run game. Where are you on Sam Donald off 503 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: of last season? What does the film tell you? 504 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:44,680 Speaker 5: Well? 505 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 8: I think that the reason that Seattle wanted Donald is 506 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 8: because with Kubiak there as the OC, they're going to 507 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 8: run a lot of similar concepts as the Vikings did. 508 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 8: They're putting him under center because I believe Donald last 509 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 8: year was either the second or third most dropbacks as 510 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,119 Speaker 8: a conventional play action quarterback meeting. 511 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,119 Speaker 5: He was under center. 512 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 8: That's what he did really well under Kevin O'Connell, and 513 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 8: that's what Kubiak is going to do. They're going to 514 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 8: start with the outside zone run game, put Donald under center, 515 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 8: and let the play action game be a foundation of 516 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 8: what they do. There's less reading involved in the play 517 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 8: action game, particularly when you're under center. It holds the 518 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 8: second level defenders better because they have a longer time 519 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 8: to wait to see if it's run or pass. So 520 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 8: I think the thought process was Donald was very good 521 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 8: running that style of offense, that philosophical style, and now 522 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 8: we're going to do something very similar and Colin. 523 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 5: By the way, most quarterbacks need. 524 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 8: A particular style, a particular philosophy to be effective. There's 525 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 8: very few transcendent quarterbacks that you can just say, let's 526 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 8: do anything and they'll be great. So that, to me 527 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 8: is not a knock on Donald. That's the way it 528 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 8: is with most quarterbacks. 529 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 1: Greg Cosel Year's NFL films this point forward. For the 530 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: next twenty twenty two weeks, it's going to be Greg 531 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: Cosell on Thursdays as always, Great Senior. 532 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd Weekdays 533 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 2: and Noone Eastern a em Pacific. 534 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: In recent years, one of the best coaching jobs was 535 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: done by Kevin Stefanski of the Cleveland Browns in twenty 536 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: twenty three. In that division, he won eleven games and 537 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: his quarterbacks were Old Creaky Joe Flacco, Oud Deshaun Watson, 538 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,399 Speaker 1: P J. Walker, and Dorian Thompson Robinson. Kevin Stefanski's a 539 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: hell of a coach, went to Penn. He knows more 540 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: than you do about offense. I know hard to believe 541 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: he does, and he knows more than me. He has 542 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: announced that Joe Flacco will start against the Rams twenty 543 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: five to thirty plays for the starters. Dylan Gabriel is 544 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: the backup. Shadoor Sanders is third. I know you've got 545 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: your shador slash Barry Sanders jersey you're wearing. I know, 546 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: and I've said before I think Shadeur was underdrafted. I 547 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: think he was, but speeding tickets silliness. Dylan Gabriel is 548 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: a much more kind of centered, serious kid, and Shadeur. 549 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: Is third. I gotta trust Stefanski. 550 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: Guy won eleven games with like musical chairs at quarterback 551 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three in the AFC in a division 552 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: with the Ravens Joe Burrow. He won eleven games. He 553 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: knows more than I do. I know you are absolutely 554 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: sure you could be president. You would do a better job. 555 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: The where are we live and everybody's an expert. Everybody's 556 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: an epidemiologist during a pandemic. Kevin Stefanski's a smart guy. 557 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: It's one of the two Ivy League coaches in the league. 558 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: He's a pretty smart guy. He won eleven games with 559 00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: that nonsense in twenty twenty three. He's got Dylan Gabriel 560 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: two and three. Greg Cosell was on twenty five minutes ago, 561 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: and I asked him, what do you see. You've seen 562 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 1: both of them play in the preseason. What do you see. 563 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 8: Offensive coaches they think about how does a player work 564 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 8: within my scheme? And what Gabriel is is he's essentially 565 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 8: stylistically similar to a too attaga Iloa. Sanders is a 566 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 8: little different player. He's not quite as rhythmic, and he 567 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 8: has a tendency. And this showed up on tape, by 568 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 8: the way, even though the good outweighed the bad when 569 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 8: he played two weeks ago. He tends to drift a 570 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 8: little in the pocket. He tends to retreat in the pocket. 571 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 8: You know how many quarterbacks are the Browns going to keep? 572 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,600 Speaker 8: No team keeps four quarterbacks, So it's going to be 573 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 8: interesting going down the stretch here. And so then Sanders 574 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 8: got hurt and missed some time in practice, and that's 575 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 8: not going to help him. 576 00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 3: So let's be honest. 577 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: The entire NFL told you he's a fifth round pick, 578 00:30:56,040 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: and the Browns are telling you he's a third string quarterback. Overvalued. 579 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 1: I'm guilty as charged. I thought, Oh, I can see 580 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,400 Speaker 1: him fall into the second round. I guess I'm wrong, 581 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: but the league told you. And by the way, seven 582 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: teams annually are desperate for quarterback and another fifteen are 583 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: desperate for a backup. The whole league pass for four rounds, 584 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: and many of us believe Jimmy Haslam, the owner of 585 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: the Browns, is the one that nudged the front office 586 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: into drafting him. So the brown drafted Dylan Gabriel two 587 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 1: rounds before. So you can run to your Reddit board 588 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,479 Speaker 1: and dogpound dot com and say it's a conspiracy. But 589 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 1: the whole league told you he's a fifth round quarterback, 590 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: and the Browns are telling you. Kevin Stefanski, who won 591 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,120 Speaker 1: eleven games in twenty twenty three with nonsense in a 592 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: division with the Ravens, well in the AFC, he's like 593 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: his third string quarterback. I you know, I think I'm 594 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: pretty good on the quarterback thing now that Sam Darnold 595 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: can play. I haven't missed a ton on quarterbacks. I thought, 596 00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: I thought Shur, I thought, I don't know. I watched 597 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: Jackson Dart with better teammates. I watched Shador with a 598 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: bad college O line and no run game. He really productive, 599 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: productive against much better rosters, much much better rosters. 600 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 3: But the league and the Browns, they're they're telling. 601 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 8: You, eh, eh. 602 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I know this is hard for guys, but 603 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to admit there are people that are 604 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: are behind the rope. They have access, they see stuff. 605 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 1: I mean it sounded like to me. Remember Greg Cosel 606 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: said a couple of weeks ago on the show. He said, 607 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: he said, Shadour is accurate, but he's not as accurate 608 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 1: as the analysts are saying. The film tells you he's 609 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: not that accurate. He's accurate, but uh. And for the record, 610 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: the Browns have everything to gain on Shadur plane. If 611 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 1: I mean, if Chedeur could be the starter, are you 612 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 1: kidding me? That would be unbelievable as a fifth raft pick. 613 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 1: Look what it's done to the Niners. You can stack 614 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,920 Speaker 1: your roster, you can get out from under that horrible 615 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson contract. They would love, they would love for 616 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:22,600 Speaker 1: Shahur as a fifth rown pick, to be a starting quarterback. 617 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: There's no there's no advantage to the Browns bearing him. 618 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: And I said, I looked at Dylan Gabriel in college 619 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: and my take was he had great coaching and talent 620 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: at Oregon. He's just too small, He's going to struggle 621 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: kind of seeing the field, and he's acknowledged he can. 622 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: I just I just thought, I mean, he, you know, 623 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 1: he looked smaller, and I'd seen photos of him next 624 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 1: to other, you know, athletes at Oregon and I thought, 625 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: I just don't see that as an NFL quarterback. 626 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: I do. 627 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: I've always said size matters unless you're like Kyler Murray 628 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson in your prime and you can run 629 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: around and you're so elusive. That's not Dylan Gabriel Schadour's 630 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: a legit six two. Shador moves well enough and he 631 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: was really accurate behind with no talent around him at Colorado. 632 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: But Stefanski knows more than I do, and I trust 633 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 1: him and there's no value in bearing him. I would 634 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:17,000 Speaker 1: love to be on dog Poundbarks dot com today. I 635 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,839 Speaker 1: bet you our website is lit. I bet they're going 636 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:28,280 Speaker 1: crazy in everybody stinks but us in Cleveland dot com. 637 00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: I would love to be on that. I don't have 638 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: my phone with me. Dogs by Nature is that the 639 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: big one? 640 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 3: That site is roaring today? John, what do you make 641 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 3: of it? 642 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 9: Didn't Sefanski tell you what he thought about Shador when 643 00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 9: he had the chance to take him in the third round, 644 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 9: and he took another quarterback. And even if you say, well, 645 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 9: the GM pick the players, no one picks a quarterback 646 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 9: for an offensive head coach. That's the offensive head coach, 647 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 9: even if he's not the boss in the draft room. 648 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 9: Quarterbacks are baby. He chose Dylan Gabriel in the third round. 649 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 9: Now we can disagree, and I do. I thought that 650 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,720 Speaker 9: was a little crazy, but he clearly likes Dylan Gabriel. 651 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 9: I mean that's not debatable. And Dylan Gabriel as what two, three, four, 652 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 9: five years worth of college experience that they're basing this 653 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 9: off of. 654 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,960 Speaker 1: Let's check out wolfwolf dot com and see what they're saying. 655 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,799 Speaker 3: Man is this is good dog Biscuit dot com. Let's 656 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 3: go check it out right now.