1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay, Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Sexton Show Podcast. Hour or two of Clay and Buck 3 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: starts right now. Everybody, thanks for rolling with us. You know, 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 1: if you wanted to talk in the last hour about TikTok, 5 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: we know we didn't get to many calls, but either 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: stay with us a little bit or call back in 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: because we know also Andrew Tates, who we brought up 8 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: here and discussed because he's super popular still on TikTok 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 1: while he sits in a Romanian prison. He's a I 10 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: hate the term controversial figure, right because Clay, your recovery 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: time figure, the controversial figure, you know, a controversial anybody, 12 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 1: anybody on the right is always called controversial. I don't 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: even think Tate is necessarily on the right, but he's 14 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: just somebody who they would describe that way. But anyway, Um, 15 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: the TikTok conversation, I think there's a lot of levels. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: I think it's a fascinating, fascinating debate right now because 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: of what the long term implications for this are and 18 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: everyone's just figuring out we are the first people, really 19 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: in the history of the world to have to deal 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: with this notion of global connectivity multi billion dollars, maybe 21 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: eventually trillion dollar media conglomerates that are able to direct 22 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:18,680 Speaker 1: and share information in a way that you know, we're 23 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: just we're learning as a as a human species. Really 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: what the long term implications are of social media obviously 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: the Internet and connectivity like that in general, but what 26 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: it means for regime stability, what it means for mass 27 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: political movements around the world. There's a lot here that 28 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: comes into this. Chinese CCP controls Byte Dance, Byte Dance 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: owns TikTok, TikTok says they'll divest in the US the assets. 30 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of different layers. So that's 31 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: what I just don't think it's it's as cut and dry. Remember, 32 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: even the position of the Hawks on this tends to 33 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: be I mean, I think this is fair to say 34 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: your position, Clay, well, they definitely have to divest the 35 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: I should say, not divest, but move the assets to 36 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: US soil and put under US control and US personnel. 37 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 1: So I mean, I agree with that. I just don't 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: agree with the banning. And I think there are additional 39 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: layers beyond this. I also think that you know a 40 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 1: lot of people are getting money from Chinese linked interest 41 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,480 Speaker 1: not just the bidens that I think want to look 42 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:21,239 Speaker 1: tough on TikTok and don't want other commercial interests and 43 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: and connections to be getting a lot of attention. Right. Well, 44 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: it's it's certainly hypocritical on some level to go to 45 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: war with TikTok and be totally fine with Apple making 46 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,359 Speaker 1: all of its iPhones with slave labor basically in China 47 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: and having a mind melt here where. Okay, so all 48 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: your iPhones are made in China, but you can't have TikTok. Yeah, 49 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: And the same thing. By the way, this has been 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: something that I've been lacerating the NBA on four years. 51 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: The idea that you're going to lecture America about human 52 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: rights violations, but you allow Chinese billions to flow into 53 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: your coffers without saying a word. All of that hypocrisy 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: really stands out at buck I would build on. It's 55 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: we are living in such an information in instantaneous universe 56 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: that this to me ties in a lot with what 57 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: we were discussing yesterday. Silicon Valley Bank essentially collapsed because 58 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: in rapid viral order, everybody who had their money in 59 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: that bank suddenly questioned whether their money was safe, and 60 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: so they had something like forty billion dollars in request 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: for money to be withdrawn from that bank almost instantaneously, 62 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: because Buck, everybody's on group chats, Right, It's like if 63 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: you and I and several of our buddies out there 64 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: in the larger media ecosystem suddenly became aware of any 65 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: other story out there, and we're all reacting to it 66 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 1: in real time. It spreads so rapidly, and it's not 67 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: only just the multi trillion dollar businesses out there. I'm 68 00:03:55,880 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: going to go to a bar and have a beer 69 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: before the basketball games that I'm going to you tonight. 70 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,839 Speaker 1: Anybody could take a video inside of that bar, and 71 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: if something happens in the bar, if somebody took a 72 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: swing at me, you would see it like thirty seconds 73 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: after that video went up, right, I mean like everything 74 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: is instantaneous in a way that I don't think we've 75 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: really understood how to contextualize. And also it's often totally 76 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: out of context. Right. You see a thirty second clip 77 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: and you don't see the six or seven minutes that 78 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: surrounded that thirty seconds, and yet people feel the need 79 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: to react instantaneously. To it everywhere. Yeah, we're already living 80 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: in a mass surveillance state everybody. Just a question of 81 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 1: how the surveillance data is being used. But everything that 82 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: you are buying, doing, every movement everywhere, you're going not 83 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: to sound conspiratorial. It's not conspiracy. It's reality that is 84 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 1: all being stored, that is all being collated. And so 85 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: this notion that we can just you know, I think 86 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: with TikTok, I feel and this is more of a 87 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: long term philosophical Internet position, yep. But cutting the head 88 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: off the hydra here and thinking that that's going to 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: finish it off, we got a whole That's why I 90 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: bring up YouTube and Google in these other companies and 91 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: also other you know international or you know, foreign based 92 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: corporations that are going to be involved in Internet businesses 93 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: that I think or you know, social media and information 94 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: transfer businesses of all kinds, that this is going to 95 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 1: pose a lot of challenges and we don't necessarily have 96 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: people making the decisions about this who understand this stuff correct. Well, 97 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: that's all. What I'm afraid of is I don't hear 98 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: hardly any discussion about it in general. Buck the deep 99 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: fake stuff. You're going to be able in five years, 100 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: certainly in ten years, to make a video that looks 101 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent accurate, that is one hundred percent made 102 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,559 Speaker 1: up of anybody saying whatever you want them to say, 103 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: and all that stuff's going to go viral almost instantaneously. 104 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: I was thinking about the deep fake stuff this morning 105 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: because of the deep fakes of Trump, and if you 106 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: haven't seen them, some of them are pretty hilarious. Yeah, 107 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: there's Trump going full Tony Montana from Scarface, where the 108 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 1: police come for him and he's got like a you know, 109 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: a big machine gun that's been in the photoshop. It's 110 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: a deep fake. It's far more sophisticated looking. But it's 111 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 1: funny that the ladies on the View weighed in on 112 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: the situation and they're deeply disappointed. There's so many people, 113 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: Clay who are disappointed. Trump hasn't been arrested yet. Play 114 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 1: it thirteen. You know who is still at large? He is? Yes, 115 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: he is? He yes, hasn't been arrested. No, like you predicted, Well, 116 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 1: you know, you kind of have to weigh it with 117 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 1: all the other stuff he said, and you figure, well, 118 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: you know you said you won the election. You didn't win. 119 00:06:43,120 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 1: Good point, said they come and to arrestue. They didn't 120 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: spend that to Joey. Why will we start believing him now? 121 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: He manipulated everybody though. We all rose to the occasion, 122 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 1: the papers, everybody just went there. So many people were excited, Lah, 123 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: I love that so many people people were excited, like, 124 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,280 Speaker 1: oh my gosh, Trump may be indicted on a bookkeeping error, 125 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: that's a campaign finance issue from five years ago. Well, 126 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: I honestly do if Trump wins, like if Trump comes back, 127 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: I mean, they clearly have made him into the boogeyman. 128 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: They've turned him into Hitler. Have you really thought through 129 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: how how much it will further destroy them? You know, 130 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: emotionally if Trump were to be president. I don't even 131 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: know how they get out of bed the day after 132 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:35,280 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four elections, if Trump were re elected, Yeah, 133 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 1: that's such a You know, honestly, I hadn't. I had 134 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: I just keep thinking about how we win that. I 135 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,520 Speaker 1: hadn't thought more about how they deal with Trump winning. 136 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 1: You know, that really hadn't been something years of Trump, right, 137 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: because if he were to come back and win a 138 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: lot of these people's brains would explode. And I wonder 139 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: how they would cover Trump because you would only have 140 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: him for four or more years, right, would they try 141 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: to argue, oh, he's going to change the constitution and 142 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: argue that he can run again, Like what is the 143 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: fear of Trump if he's only got four more years? 144 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: But how are these people not going to have their 145 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: brains explode if he returns into office. It's a great question. 146 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: I don't know how they emotionally can handle it, because 147 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: I think one of the big one of the big 148 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: takeaways of Trump's first term is that he broke them emotionally. 149 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: And the media is never the same, will never be 150 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: the same. News media, journalism for whatever people think it 151 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: is now, it's never coming back to what it was 152 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: pre Trump because we know too much about it now, 153 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 1: like the whole or the general population. Even people that 154 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: aren't that obsessed with the news like we are, their 155 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: perception and their reality of news and journalism is forever 156 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: altered as a result of Trump. So what is the 157 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: two point zero version of that? I don't know. But 158 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: I just also I think that this is interesting. It 159 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: can kind of cut both ways. On the one hand, 160 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: you have the possibility of a Trump ascension into term two. 161 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: You know, it's the greatest owning of the Libs. Remember 162 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: that was a phrase, A lot of owning of the 163 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 1: Libs during Trump that we will have seen, perhaps ever 164 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: That's one way, But the other way is that the 165 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: emotional instability and an emptiness of the Democrat left is 166 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: such that they'll never grow tired of the hysteria that 167 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: they had the first term. So the second term it 168 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: will just be more and they'll be more unhinged, and 169 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 1: we'll have to sit through them believing. I mean, they 170 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 1: thought that they thought that Donald Trump worked with Vladimir 171 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: Putin to steal the twenty sixteen election. There's nothing that 172 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: is too crazy for them to insist on and to 173 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: drag the country through as another national nightmare for term two. 174 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: So I don't I mean, obviously we're getting way ahead 175 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: of ourselves with this, and there's a primary and all 176 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: this other stuff, But I don't know how the view 177 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: would handle it. I do know that they would be 178 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: popping the champagne quirks though, on set if he gets arrested, 179 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 1: which is kind of hilarious because what does it even 180 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: mean if he gets arrested like this is I think 181 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: that there's some part of the lib brain play that 182 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: needs Trump to be arrested because they've just been told 183 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: for so many years it will happen. That this is 184 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: now the expectation. It doesn't matter how minor it is, 185 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: they just needed to happen well. And again the challenge 186 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 1: that I don't think most of them have worked through, 187 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:36,680 Speaker 1: because what if Benjamin Franklin say, passions rule, and they 188 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: often and I'm going to mess up the quote, but 189 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: it's it's essentially Benjamin Franklin passion's rule, and they never 190 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: rule wisely. They have allowed emotion to so take over 191 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 1: the Democrat Party that there is no rational way that 192 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: they can react. Now we talk about threats to the 193 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: democracy of January six. That's the obsession of the left 194 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 1: right now. But you and I have talked about for 195 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: a while. Buck. They didn't put all the plyboard up, 196 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: they didn't protect all the windows the night before the 197 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: election and the night of the election because they thought 198 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 1: Biden would win. How many American cities would burn if 199 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: Trump wins in twenty twenty four, And how in the 200 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 1: world can you reconcile all of the rioting that would 201 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: occur as a result of potentially Trump winning in twenty four, 202 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: with all of the threats that they made about democracy 203 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: being at stake associated with January six because buck the 204 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 1: argument I've made for a while, and I think if 205 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: you were a reasonably intelligent left winger you would have 206 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: to acknowledge it. What do you think would have happened 207 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: if the twenty twenty election had ended up tied two 208 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: sixty nine to two sixty nine, which it nearly did, 209 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: and Trump had been chosen by the House of Representatives 210 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 1: to win re election in twenty twenty, things would have 211 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: got an ugly clay. Obviously six would have looked like 212 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: like a wall. This is part compared to would have done. 213 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: Where I'm going here, folks, is the left given what 214 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 1: they did during twenty twenty, that summer lam, the riots everywhere. 215 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: That was before they had the ability to point to 216 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter that it's unfair and new people to 217 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: tell me it's not the same. I know it's not 218 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: the same, but they will in their minds, and this 219 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 1: will be true across the left, they'll say, well, look 220 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: what they did on January sixth. They will make sure 221 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: that whether it's Trump or de Santis in twenty twenty four, 222 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: the country will be having an election under the threat 223 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: of cities having whole neighborhoods burned down, riots through the streets. 224 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: You all know that right now. I mean that the 225 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: chance of that not happening, I would say, is very small, 226 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: and at least that there's the perception of that dress 227 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: it's you better reelect Biden or ass I don't know, 228 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: maybe your neighborhood gets burned down, There'll be anti falllunatics 229 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: and the activists of the left all over the place 230 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: in major cities, and that will be the perception. I 231 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: just think it follows with their whole narrative about January sixth. 232 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: I don't think there's any doubt at all about it. 233 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: Asset managers named you know, they're using your retirement funds 234 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: to further their EESG agendas. Last year, state treasurers across 235 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: the nation sent a message to stop playing politics with 236 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 1: our pensions by divesting five billion dollars from these companies. 237 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: Twenty five states are suing to block ESG nonsense from 238 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: endangering your retirements. Republicans on Capitol Hill recently passed a 239 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: bill blocking the Biden administration from allowing huge asset managers 240 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: from using your hard earned money to further their ESG agenda. 241 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: But while conservatives in the House and Senate have your back, 242 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: guess what. President Biden just used his veto pen for 243 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: the very first time this week to kill the bill. 244 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: Senator Joe Manchin and Democrat who voted to block ESG 245 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: investing blast that Biden's veto as quote infuriating, charged it 246 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: was putting a radical and progressive agenda ahead of the 247 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: country's needs. These firms have a fiduciary duty to maximize returns. 248 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: They should be held to account for playing politics with 249 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: our pensions and doing it without our consent. To learn 250 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: how Consumers Research is protecting all of us from these 251 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: woke investment firms, go to consumers Research dot org. That's 252 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: consumers Research dot org paid for by Consumers Research. Clay 253 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: Travis at buck Sexton Making Sense in an Insane World. 254 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're going 255 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:39,640 Speaker 1: to be joined by Julie Kelly here at the bottom 256 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: of the hour to talk about the Trump grand jury investigation, 257 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: also the continued persecution of the January six political prisoners. 258 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,960 Speaker 1: All of that still coming your way. But I wanted 259 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: to hit you with this, Buck, I don't know if 260 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: you saw this. I think we talked about it a 261 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: little bit off air. There's a new poll out from Rasmussen. Yes, 262 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: I understand in general why a lot of you out 263 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: there roll your eyes when you hear a new poll. 264 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: But I did think this was interesting. How serious of 265 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: a scandal is the Biden family's Chinese connection? Reports have 266 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: come out recently million dollars plus being paid by Chinese 267 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: interest to different members of Joe Biden's family. How many 268 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: people said it was very somewhat serious. Sixty five percent 269 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 1: of all voters two out of three said that this 270 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: China scandal surrounding Joe Biden was very or somewhat serious. 271 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: Not a surprise, actually a little bit low. I think 272 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: eighty percent of Republicans said, hey, we think this is 273 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: a very or somewhat serious story. I'm actually surprised it's 274 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: not closer to one hundred personally. Sixty seven percent of 275 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 1: Independence said this is a very or somewhat serious story. 276 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: Sixty percent of Independence, forty eight percent of Democrats. Again, 277 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: this rasbust and poll buck. Almost of a majority of 278 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: Democrats said that this is a very or somewhat serious story. 279 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 1: Eighty percent of Republicans sixty seven percent, of Independence forty 280 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: eight percent, Democrats two thirds overall, maybe the cover ups 281 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: starting to kind of cut through. I do think this 282 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 1: is interesting. Let's just take a step back and have 283 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: a look at all of this. Right now, you're being 284 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: told that the Chinese ownership of a company that I 285 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: believe is, you know, traded on the stock market and 286 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:31,320 Speaker 1: has a US based team and everything else put aside 287 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: whether you think it's a good idea or a bad idea, 288 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: but whether personally Biden is on board for we got 289 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: to get rid of this. We're gonna have the band 290 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: TikTok unless because that's too much influence being able to 291 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: determine the algorithm and have access the information. Meanwhile, members 292 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 1: of the Biden family, his immediate family, have received, and 293 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 1: this is a matter of record, millions of dollars from 294 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: a Chinese backed corporation, was CFC China or something, I 295 00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:06,679 Speaker 1: forget what the millions of dollars directly to the family 296 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: of the man who is far and away the most 297 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: important person in foreign policy for this country. And you 298 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 1: could argue around the world. Right, Yeah, one of these 299 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: things is a huge deal that Biden wants to take 300 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: a lot of interest in and deal with Oh, they're 301 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: showing your kids too many videos that are you know, 302 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: I don't like them. And the other one is not 303 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: a big deal at all. They're paying off bidens with 304 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: millions of dollars and the Chinese Communist Party is and 305 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,680 Speaker 1: that is not a problem. I think if one is 306 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: a problem, the other is a problem. I think that's 307 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,119 Speaker 1: well said, and I got to be honest with you. 308 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: The fact that nearly a majority of Democrats think this 309 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 1: is a big story makes me think that slowly Biden's 310 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,399 Speaker 1: incompetence is cutting through, and I don't think it's a coincidence. Today, 311 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: thirty eight percent, second lowest approval rating according to the 312 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: AP came out about Joe Biden and Bluck I just 313 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: mentioned this. Still no date for his announcement, right, we're 314 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,120 Speaker 1: basically to April. 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By the way, 334 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: who can we talk to that knows so much about 335 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: all this, following it so closely and can bring real 336 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: insight to it. Our friend Julie Kelly, senior writer out 337 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: of American Greatness and author of January sixth, How Democrats 338 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: use the Capitol protest to launch a war on terror 339 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 1: against the political right. Julie, good to have you back, 340 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: on the program. Hey guys, thank you for having me. 341 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: Thanks for the great what do they call it? Lock 342 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: up music? That's right, Yes, So talk to us about 343 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: this Proud Boys trial that's going on right now, because 344 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: because you've been you've been following this and getting the 345 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: word out that there's some pretty remarkable i mean a 346 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: real bombshell motion regarding an FBI informant who infiltrated defense 347 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: legal team. Tell us what's going on here, right, So 348 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: this is the seditious conspiracy trial of five members of 349 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:04,360 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys, including its leader, their leader, Enrigae Tario. 350 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: Now we know from witness testimony and court filings, even 351 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: though a lot of it is under seal, that anywhere 352 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: between ten to fifteen FBI informants were embedded in this 353 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: group months before January sixth, So we know that at 354 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: least that we have that evidence. What was stunning yesterday 355 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 1: and really came as a shock and blindsided the defense 356 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 1: team is they were scheduled to call a witness, a 357 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: defense witness on their behalf to the stand today in 358 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: front of the jury. Yesterday afternoon, the prosecutors out of 359 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: the DCUs Attorney's office told the defense team that their 360 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: own witness was an FBI informant and had been an 361 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:54,920 Speaker 1: informant during the entire investigation from April twenty twenty one 362 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: through January of twenty twenty three when the trials started. 363 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: This neatly stunned the defense team because this witness, of course, 364 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 1: they've been communicating with. It turns out that this witness, 365 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: the FBI informant, was sort of infiltrating and spying on 366 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: defense lawyers their strategy, talking to defendants, even talking to 367 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 1: defendants families. They were involved in some sort of prayer group. 368 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: It looks like with the defendants, I mean, this is 369 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 1: sort of stuff is beyond the pale. So of course 370 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: the defense immediately filed emotion seeking all records related to 371 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: this FBI informant, any recordings that he had, and they 372 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: filed that last night. The government was supposed to file 373 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:41,199 Speaker 1: their motion today in response. They did, but that is 374 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 1: under seal. We cannot take a look at it. But 375 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,959 Speaker 1: there's a hearing on the matter scheduled at three o'clock 376 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: this afternoon. Julie, I mean, you've done unbelievable work covering 377 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: all of these cases. I didn't encourage people to go 378 00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: follow you at Julie Kelly will retweet this interview, but 379 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,199 Speaker 1: I want to die into what buck led with the 380 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg investigation that's going on in New York City. 381 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: You've been coming on with us for years now, I think, 382 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:11,360 Speaker 1: and we've been discussing would Trump be indicted or not? 383 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,399 Speaker 1: And I believe you and I have both been on 384 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 1: the side of yes, he will be indicted at some point. 385 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: I think you even said did you had one hundred 386 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 1: and ten percent certainty at one point or another? If 387 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm quoting you accurately on the show. Do you think 388 00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: that Alvin Bragg is going to get this indictment done? 389 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,640 Speaker 1: Do you think it's still going to happen in Georgia? 390 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: How do you think Merrick Garland is going to handle this? 391 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: How would you sort of assess the larger Trump legal landscape? 392 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: As we sit here on a Thursday, heading into the weekend, 393 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like it's going to happen this week 394 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 1: in New York City, at least that's what it looks like. 395 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: And I don't know what sort of turnoil is happening, 396 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,120 Speaker 1: but look, the whole idea that this DA's office weeked 397 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: to someone at NBC News last week that law enforcement 398 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: agencies were told to prepare for the possible announcement of 399 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: an indictment when they hadn't even finished the grand jury proceedings, 400 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: which of course our secret and the whole presumption that 401 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: this grand jury would return an indictment before they were 402 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: even finished presenting all the evidence as if it were 403 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: a foregone conclusion. Perhaps that riled some of the grand 404 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: jury members. Of course, they're not supposed to pay attention 405 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 1: to the media. They probably do, so it looks like 406 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: the certain indictment certainly is not coming this week. Who 407 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 1: knows if it well next week. But I think when 408 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 1: we were discussing it, and I still truly believe that 409 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: Special Council Special Prosecutor Jack Smith will hand down criminal 410 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,679 Speaker 1: indictments at some point. You see the investigation ramping up, 411 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:56,119 Speaker 1: even forcing Trump's attorney, Evan Cochrane to turn over his notes, 412 00:23:56,200 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: perhaps even recordings of phone calls that were seized by 413 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: the government and turned over at the order of Beryl Howell, 414 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,680 Speaker 1: who was the chief Judge. She just retired on Friday. 415 00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: That was her parting shot at Donald Trump. So I 416 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 1: still think his greatest legal exposure is at the hands 417 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: of Mark Arland's DOJ and Special Prosecutor Jack Smith. Do 418 00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: you think, Julie, with that in mind, that the Department 419 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: of Justice might be trying to put pressure on Bragg 420 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: and maybe also this Georgia state prosecutor as well, to 421 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: not defile state charges as it pertains to Georgia or 422 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: New York because in some ways that steps all over 423 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: what the Department of Justice itself might do. It very 424 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: well could be the case. Of course, all of these 425 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: prosecutors talk, whether they're state or federal, and so maybe 426 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,360 Speaker 1: they did want to hold off what Brad was planning 427 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:55,280 Speaker 1: to do. They really want a maximum impact when Trump 428 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,679 Speaker 1: is charged on criminal either obstruction conspiracy, could even be 429 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 1: dishous conspiracy. This is why the Proud Voice trial is 430 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: so important to the Department of Justice, because if they 431 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 1: get convictions, which they probably will, that would justify a 432 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: case against Trump for the same charge, because of course 433 00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: they're you know, they use the whole stand back and 434 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: stand by comment from Donald Trump and the presidential debate, 435 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: So that could be the case. I just I don't know. 436 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: It sort of came out of nowhere and now it's 437 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: kind of sizzled out. The Georgia cases I'm less than 438 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,680 Speaker 1: familiar with, but you know, they've had a grand jury 439 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:38,680 Speaker 1: looking into Donald Trump's involvement or blamed for January six 440 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,960 Speaker 1: for months now, and that seems to be really escalating. 441 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 1: So those are the charges I predicted, and I still 442 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: feel certain well will be produced. And so Julie, we're 443 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: speaking of Julie Kelly for everybody who is at American Greatness, 444 00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: and her book is January six How Democrats use the 445 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 1: capital to protest, Capital protest to launch a war on 446 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: terror against political right. Just one more for you, JULYE. 447 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: The thousand or so I think it was, they said, 448 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: what eight hundred to twelve hundred that the DC court 449 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: system is now claiming are going to be additionally prosecuted 450 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: on January sixth? Are those do they save more of 451 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: the serious or less serious in their minds cases? Because 452 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: it seems like this is being time to coincide with 453 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: the election cycle, right, So I think their most serious 454 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: charges have already been filed, and this would be against 455 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys, oath Keepers, etc. They just got six 456 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: new convictions in the oath Keepers case in this week, 457 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,879 Speaker 1: so you know, things are speeding along in terms of 458 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: the bigger so called militia groups or the most more 459 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: high profiled defendants. So I think this will basically be 460 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 1: scooping up more misdemeaner cases, adding perhaps the obstruction felony 461 00:26:57,040 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 1: or the civil disorder felony. But look, they've already arrested 462 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: and charged nine people this month alone. I mean this 463 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: is twenty six plus months later, and this could go 464 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 1: on for years. The FAI actually warned during the two 465 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 1: year anniversary of January sixth, this is a political persecution. 466 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 1: It is destroying people's lives, it is silencing dissent. As 467 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: we see at this test week when Trump was calling 468 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: for protests, everyone was justifiably warning against that because this 469 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: Department of Justice, as Biden regime, has successfully criminalized political 470 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: speech and activity and that is really dangerous slope where 471 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: we're headed. So this will be their ongoing mission to 472 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: continue to criminalize it into the twenty twenty four election. 473 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: To your point, so rallies or protests, etc. People will 474 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,640 Speaker 1: be very hesitant to participate in lest they be considered 475 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: a domestic terrorist. 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Find the Clay and Buck 504 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: app in your app store and make it part of 505 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: your day. Welcome back in play Travis buck Sexton Show. 506 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: You know thanks to Julie Kelly, by the way, who 507 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: is legitimately one of the only person in people in 508 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 1: America who has bothered to care at all about the 509 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: January sixth political prisoners, the way they're being treated, their 510 00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: lack of legal representation. You should be follow her on 511 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: Twitter because she works her ass off on these cases 512 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: when a lot of people have just turned their back 513 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 1: and pretended that they don't exist at all. Look, people 514 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:14,479 Speaker 1: get mad at me when I say this, and I 515 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: do think that this is a We're just provided. This 516 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: is a provided fact that not a single dollar went 517 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: from the Trump orbit for January sixth, defendants, many of whom, 518 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 1: as we know, were treated horribly unfairly, and everything else. 519 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 1: Not a single dollar went until Trump reannounced his election 520 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 1: or renounce his candidacy. So and I the same amount 521 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: that I did. Buck correct and gave the same amount 522 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: that Clay Travis gave because Julie Kelly was compelling one 523 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 1: day on our show. Now people can get mad at 524 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: me for pointing that out. That is a numerical fact 525 00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: in a reality right now. And I do think that 526 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: there are some people who that does not sit well with. Yeah, 527 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 1: all right, much less as we may have to check 528 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 1: the transcripts, because maybe maybe listeners out there can can 529 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: aid in a bet in this Buck and I have 530 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: made a series of steak bets. Buck has won one steak. 531 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: We are in agree. Oh yeah, I think I said 532 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: that Hunter Biden would be prosecuted before the end of 533 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. That did not happen. Buck is plus 534 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: one in the stake department. We may have to check 535 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: the transcripts, and we may have to check the tape. 536 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: I believe there is still a bet out there that 537 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: both Hunter Biden and Donald Trump will be indicted the 538 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: two for bet, the two for one still floating right, 539 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: that's still out there. You think they both get indicted? Yes, 540 00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: and I believe we have a bet on whether Donald 541 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: Trump will get indicted. There is some dispute aka buck 542 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: Sexton does not remember specifically whether this bet was it 543 00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: was it a federal indictment because this I don't know 544 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 1: if this this brag possible campaign thing that was not 545 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: what we were talking about. We need we need a 546 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: to the transcript investigation into exactly what bets are out there, 547 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: because I think I think I lost a stat I'm 548 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,200 Speaker 1: gonna be buying stakes everywhere, but I think I lost 549 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: a steak bet to Ann Coulter over whether herschel Walker 550 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: would win or not. You lost that steake bet too, 551 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: And yes, Coulter, wherever you are, you could call to collect. 552 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: And I think though she also bet me that Trump 553 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: would not run. What did she bet? We have another 554 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,040 Speaker 1: one that's m there's a steak bet there that you 555 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: and I were on the You and I were on 556 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: the steak bet with her that Donald Trump would be 557 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: the nominee. Yes, you hear that for anybody thinks Clay 558 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: and I had the side of the bet that Trump 559 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: would be the Republican nominee, and our friend Anne took 560 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: the side of the bet that it would be Rhonda 561 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,959 Speaker 1: Sentis that's right, So we will see what ends up 562 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: happening there. I might go like O for five on 563 00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: these bets before all is said and done. I mean, 564 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I might as well just open a 565 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: steak restaurant at this point so I can save some money. 566 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: But we do need to check the transcripts on this. Julie, 567 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: to her credit, said on the show one hundred and 568 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: ten percent Donald Trump is going to be indicted. Yeah, 569 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: And I do wonder buck as we roll into the weekend, 570 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: after all the leaks, after all the shenanigans, after all 571 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: the talk, what is actually going on in this Alvin 572 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: Bragg investigation such that where it feels like they were 573 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: going full speed ahead were indicting Donald Trump. Trump himself 574 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: put up that he expected to be indicted on Tuesday. 575 00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: We're now going to go into another week. Are they 576 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,320 Speaker 1: running into some difficulties? Could there be pressure being put 577 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,959 Speaker 1: upon Alvin Bragg by National Democrats quietly behind the scenes 578 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: who don't like this case. Remember the Department of Justice 579 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: already considered years ago and rejected the idea of prosecution. 580 00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 1: I have to amend something that I said a couple 581 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,160 Speaker 1: of days ago or first talking about this, that there's 582 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: no downside for Bragg to indict. That is almost certainly true. 583 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: But taking us to the what if Trump wins cat 584 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:18,919 Speaker 1: not wins in court, wins the presidency. Yeah, there will 585 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: be a lot of people if Bragg were to indict 586 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,480 Speaker 1: Trump and then Trump went on, because we do know 587 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 1: there will be a rallying effect. I don't think anyone 588 00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: doubts there would be. Look, we're rallying to him right 589 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: now saying this is crazy and they shouldn't be They 590 00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: shouldn't be indicting him, right. I mean, everyone's gonna be 591 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: saying this is this is reckless. There's going to be 592 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: a sense that the only way to deal with this 593 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: corrupt machinery of the Democrats and just the the apparatus 594 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: in general would be to have Trump as the fighter. 595 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is if Bragg indicts and then 596 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: Trump becomes president, there may be people who say, well, 597 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: if Bragg hadn't indicted him, he might not have even 598 00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,240 Speaker 1: won the primary. That might be I know it sounds 599 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: a little crazy. But look at what we're talking about. 600 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: In the first place, we're already in crazy town, or 601 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: just to wonder, we're just wondering how many are showing 602 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: up for dinner. And I think that there's a possibility 603 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: that they they don't know what the second order political 604 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,239 Speaker 1: effects of this will be, and that's causing some of 605 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: the because whether I think with Clay, whether he wins 606 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,040 Speaker 1: or loses on this in court, Thea's lose thing. There's 607 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,000 Speaker 1: no way he politically suffers even if he loses in 608 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 1: court against Trump on this issue. I don't know one 609 00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: no one's gonna care in New York, especially because I 610 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 1: think Trump's gonna win on an appeal, but He's gonna 611 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: be able to argue, oh, this is because Trump appointed judges. Right, 612 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,959 Speaker 1: especially if it goes all the way to the Supreme Court, 613 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 1: they'll say that the rig job was in effect. There 614 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,520 Speaker 1: here is something that I would say all of you 615 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: should have in the back of your mind. What is 616 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: the time frame here under which charges would have to 617 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: be brought against Trump? Because we know that the Mara 618 00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 1: Lago raid happened in August of last year, Right, I 619 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: would argue that this thing to be resolved by August 620 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: of this year, IE whether charges are going to be 621 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: brought against Trump at all, given that he's an announced candidate, 622 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: and given that January seems to be the expected date 623 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,400 Speaker 1: of the Iowa caucuses. By the time you get to 624 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 1: Labor Day, you're officially into the political season. That's why 625 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,360 Speaker 1: I think ultimately the Department of Justice is going to 626 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,200 Speaker 1: come out because of all the Biden classified document scandal, 627 00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: and Merritt Garland is going to lecture. Both sides say 628 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: they both were not the best when it came to 629 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: handling documents and avoid trying to bring charges because otherwise 630 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 1: you've got a situation where Trump, potentially as the Republican nominee, 631 00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: is facing federal charges in the middle of an election. 632 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 1: I just don't know that that happens. I just want 633 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: to say, we're gonna talk next about a transgender cycling 634 00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: champion from New York. Could you beat this individual in 635 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: an arm wrestling match? Player, You should talk about it.