WEBVTT - I Am All In…Again: Justice for Lindsay

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<v Speaker 1>I am all in again.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's you.

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<v Speaker 3>I am all in again with Scott Patterson and iHeartRadio Podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all in Podcasts Special

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<v Speaker 1>special edition one eleven productions iHeartRadio Media Podcast. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>tell you we got a special edition here with Yes

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted her, You've got her again Ariel Cabell. So

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<v Speaker 1>here she is. Hey, Ariel, thanks for coming back on boy.

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<v Speaker 1>The fans really like you and we have an episode

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<v Speaker 1>we have we're calling justice for Lindsey. Hashtag justice for Lindsey.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's here's what we're doing. Lindsay Listener first appeared in

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<v Speaker 1>season three Gilmore Girls as Dean's girlfriend. Many ways represented

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<v Speaker 1>Rory's opposite.

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<v Speaker 4>She is tall and blonde and content with the idea

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<v Speaker 4>of being a stay at home wife and future mother,

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<v Speaker 4>which aligns with Dean's idea of a marriage that was

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<v Speaker 4>presented in that Damn Donna Reed. The two eventually got

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<v Speaker 4>more serious, tied to Knot, but their marriage only lasted

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<v Speaker 4>about a year after Lindsay discovered.

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<v Speaker 1>Dean cheated on her with Rory. Many fans sympathize with Lindsey,

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<v Speaker 1>feeling she was unfairly portrayed and mistreated in this series.

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<v Speaker 1>They believed Dean was largely to blame for their troubled

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<v Speaker 1>marriage due to his lingering feelings for Rory, and they

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<v Speaker 1>criticized for Rory for engaging in an affair with him.

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<v Speaker 1>Larel is also faulted for not holding Rory accountable. A

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<v Speaker 1>confrontation scene with Lindsay's mother is seen as a justified

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to the hurt cause all right, fan questions, You ready, Eric,

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<v Speaker 1>let's get into it. All right, now, it's time to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about what are fans saying about Lindsay today to you,

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<v Speaker 1>Ariel that they weren't saying when the show first aired.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this a question for me?

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, No, that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The common thing is justice for Lindsay.

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<v Speaker 5>And I'm kind of like, huh, because I love hearing that.

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<v Speaker 5>But I think I told you this, and we started

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<v Speaker 5>to talk about it at the cod back when we

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<v Speaker 5>were filming it. People were such hardcore Rory Dean fans that.

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<v Speaker 2>I would literally be in a coffee shop. I remember distinctly.

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<v Speaker 5>I was in coffee Bean on Sunset Boulevard in a

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<v Speaker 5>like the Lord juicy jumpsuit because that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool that that meant you were dilish in Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 5>And I was on the phone with my mom because

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<v Speaker 5>I called my parent in every single day, and I

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<v Speaker 5>hear these girls.

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<v Speaker 6>Go excuse me, are you and get more girls and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, hang on, mom, you know so, and I.

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<v Speaker 5>Said, yes, yes I am, and they go in sync,

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<v Speaker 5>they go, we hate you.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man getting there.

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<v Speaker 2>In line like oh, I gotta go. And that was

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<v Speaker 2>actually a very common reaction back in the day. People

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<v Speaker 2>did not like that.

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<v Speaker 5>They saw it from my understanding, as you know, my

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<v Speaker 5>character was this disruption between Rory and Dean, and they

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<v Speaker 5>just really wanted to see the two of them together

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<v Speaker 5>and I was getting in the way of that, and

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<v Speaker 5>so a lot of hate back in the day, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think actually happy when I was gone. Present cut

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<v Speaker 5>to present day, I've had more mothers and daughters come

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<v Speaker 5>up to me and say justice for Lindsay didn't deserve

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<v Speaker 5>that he You know, we can't believe that Rory reacted

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<v Speaker 5>that way.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, really like across the board.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, wow, do you remember reading the script and seeing

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<v Speaker 1>that you were getting cheated on with Rory? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>remember how it felt?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you want to know how messed up this is? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I remember reading the script. I actually thought the cheating

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<v Speaker 5>made more sense than us getting married. I remember reading

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<v Speaker 5>the script where we got married, and I was like, what,

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<v Speaker 5>that was harder for me to wrap my head around.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know if that just means I'm really messed up,

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<v Speaker 5>but I because we were just so young and we

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<v Speaker 5>were so fresh in this relationship. I was really trying

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<v Speaker 5>to wrap my head around, Okay, we just took this

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<v Speaker 5>jump to marriage. So I guess by the time the

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<v Speaker 5>cheating came, I was like, well, yeah, of course, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>like what else was going to happen? Right, So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what that says about me.

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<v Speaker 1>But why do you think Lindsay didn't directly confront Rory

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<v Speaker 1>after she found the note?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great question. I think deep down she always knew.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 5>It's like I remember that episode where she's like baking

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<v Speaker 5>him cupcakes with gummy bears on top.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it's like.

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<v Speaker 5>She's doing all these things to just these acts of service,

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<v Speaker 5>to just show her.

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<v Speaker 2>Love and this commitment to him.

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<v Speaker 5>And you can feel, even if someone's not saying it,

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<v Speaker 5>you can feel when someone's not all in right. And

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<v Speaker 5>so I think I think she felt like, dang, I

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<v Speaker 5>wish I was wrong, but I was right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So let's say, let's give you the power over

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<v Speaker 1>your character. You're the writer, Okay, you determine what Lindsay

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<v Speaker 1>should have done. What should it have been in your estimation?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I love that she threw his stuff out the window.

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<v Speaker 2>That was fine. I thought about power. I loved that

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<v Speaker 2>they gave me that power. I thought that great my voice.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they have me screaming for hours, so.

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<v Speaker 5>That I loved What should she have done? You know?

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<v Speaker 5>I think at some point it would have been nice

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<v Speaker 5>if she wasn't going to have a conversation with Rory,

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<v Speaker 5>to be able once the screaming and the hurt and

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<v Speaker 5>the you know, after shock or the shock had worn off,

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<v Speaker 5>to be able to really look in the eyes and

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<v Speaker 5>confront him, because at the end of the day, well,

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<v Speaker 5>number one, that's scarier even than someone yelling and throwing

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<v Speaker 5>out your coasts. To really have like the stillness of

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<v Speaker 5>looking someone in their eyes and having a real conversation

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<v Speaker 5>about what you know. I think that would have been

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<v Speaker 5>really powerful, and I think that would have grown them

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<v Speaker 5>both up a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>So you never shot any confrontation scenes with Rory, and

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<v Speaker 1>it just didn't end up in the final cut, not.

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<v Speaker 2>That I can remember. There was right, there's nothing with Rory.

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<v Speaker 5>And if anything today, I would probably go to her.

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<v Speaker 5>I think, you know, mixing worlds now, bringing a little

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<v Speaker 5>John Tucker into here. I think because I do have

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<v Speaker 5>a situation like this in real life where there is

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<v Speaker 5>someone out there that I'm like, girl, when the time

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<v Speaker 5>is right, if you want to, I'll tell you everything

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<v Speaker 5>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's really powerful.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think having a sit down, eye to I,

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<v Speaker 5>face to face with Dean like no bullshit. I think

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<v Speaker 5>that would have been so powerful. And given Lindsay her

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<v Speaker 5>real moment, you know, throwing the clothes out is really fun,

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<v Speaker 5>but then to get like in there, yeah, okay, it

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<v Speaker 5>would have been It would have been nice. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know that Linday and Rory would ever be friends, but

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<v Speaker 5>to have that thing of like, I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 5>turn against you because you're the woman in this, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>to to hold her ground, but to find a way

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<v Speaker 5>where I mean, who knows, like if Rory had even

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<v Speaker 5>said she was sorry, or this was where she was

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<v Speaker 5>coming from, or to just have I think, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>so often there's a lot of power that the man

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<v Speaker 5>keeps by the women not talking, even if they're not

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<v Speaker 5>going to be friends, even if they're never going to

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<v Speaker 5>see each other again, there's still power in keeping the

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<v Speaker 5>women separate and keeping the women away. I think that

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<v Speaker 5>if Rory and lindsay, maybe it wouldn't have even been

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<v Speaker 5>a schedule thing. Maybe if they just run into each

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<v Speaker 5>other and had an opportunity to kind of clear the air.

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<v Speaker 5>That's really powerful too, you know, for both sides. For

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<v Speaker 5>someone who maybe did something wrong and lives with regret

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<v Speaker 5>to clear that space, and then for someone who was

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<v Speaker 5>wronged and to share where she was coming from and.

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<v Speaker 2>Her perspective, and maybe to even say like I always

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<v Speaker 2>knew it was you or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's clearing the air on both spaces, which

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<v Speaker 5>again I actually did with someone, and it was so

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<v Speaker 5>powerful and it was heartbreaking, but it actually freed both

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<v Speaker 5>of us.

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<v Speaker 2>And I would have never in a million years thought

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<v Speaker 2>that that conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>That I needed it or that they needed it, But

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<v Speaker 5>when it happened, I felt so free after.

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<v Speaker 1>All. Right, let me let me ask you that, So,

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<v Speaker 1>what point in that relationship do you think Lindsey should

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<v Speaker 1>have left Dean when oh, Wolf, well, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know if the fans may not like me for

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<v Speaker 2>this one. I don't know that she should have left.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that I don't think they should have gotten

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<v Speaker 6>married so soon.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that that that trajectory was like too much,

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<v Speaker 5>too fast, and so it all can crumbling down.

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<v Speaker 1>Good. I love that. Where do you think Lindsay is? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>You know I've thought about this, you have, Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Because I've had so many people say justice for Lindsay

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<v Speaker 5>and so like I had to lean into that, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>where do I want Lindsay to be?

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<v Speaker 2>How do I want her to be happy? What would

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<v Speaker 2>she be doing now? I thought it would be so

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<v Speaker 2>genius if she.

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<v Speaker 5>Was a like badass lawyer and that it's specifically known

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<v Speaker 5>for like defending women.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I think be just like fantastic.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, here's some fan questions. More more fan questions.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope they don't hate me after this interview.

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<v Speaker 1>They do not. They love you, They love you more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a deeper love. Favorite on set memory during Gilmore Girls.

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<v Speaker 1>These are quick answers.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, well I told this story. I'll tell the

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<v Speaker 5>quick version. Speaking of the wedding when Jared and I

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<v Speaker 5>shot that scene. There was these huge champagne bottles magnums,

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<v Speaker 5>and we thought there was champagne in them, and so

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<v Speaker 5>we thought we'd be really smart and sassy.

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<v Speaker 2>And go steal them at the end of the night.

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<v Speaker 5>We did, but we didn't realize there was nothing in them.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you close with Jared? Who were your favorite castmates

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<v Speaker 1>to work with?

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<v Speaker 5>And why Darren I were buds because you know, most

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<v Speaker 5>of my scenes were with him, and he knew I

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<v Speaker 5>had just moved to Florida, he had moved from Texas,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, and so we had a lot in common

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<v Speaker 5>in terms of feeling like fish out of water, new

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<v Speaker 5>to this industry, a fresh out the gate. And so

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<v Speaker 5>I just remember a lot of times I would go

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<v Speaker 5>and play the games with his vibes and like order pizza,

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<v Speaker 5>and we were total vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I really appreciated that.

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<v Speaker 5>I wish I'd hung out more with Alexis because I

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<v Speaker 5>just feel like I could have learned so much from her,

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<v Speaker 5>and she was just so smart and beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>But I was pretty intimidated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she she was busy. She she you know, her down.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how much downtime she ever had to

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<v Speaker 1>really hang out with anyone. I mean, she was just

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<v Speaker 1>at the studio all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she really was.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know how that is because you know, now

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<v Speaker 1>you're on a show and you're the lead of a show,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's a big show and it's a big responsibility,

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<v Speaker 1>big time commitment too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a big responsibility. It's a lot of pressure. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what character in this show can you relate

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<v Speaker 1>to the most other than Lindsey.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably Laura Lai m hm.

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<v Speaker 5>Why Because I feel like in so many areas in

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<v Speaker 5>my life, I'm why is and you know, can give

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<v Speaker 5>good advice everything been in my own life.

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<v Speaker 2>There's parts where I'm just like, really, is that me.

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<v Speaker 1>Any one day? And they also want to know. They

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<v Speaker 1>also want to know what's been your favorite role so

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<v Speaker 1>far in your career?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, I know as you. I mean, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>you get this too.

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<v Speaker 5>That's such a that's really hard for me to answer

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<v Speaker 5>because they're so different.

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<v Speaker 2>I love all my characters, I really do. I feel

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<v Speaker 2>lucky to be able to say that.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but that's not the question. I know. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>come on, cough up one, let's go okay.

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<v Speaker 5>I would say one of the characters that have that

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<v Speaker 5>has impacted me the most is Lexi from Vamprdre's and

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<v Speaker 5>I would say the one that has pushed me to

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<v Speaker 5>my limits where there was days where I was really

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<v Speaker 5>questioning I could do.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be Rescue High Surf M that we just finished.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay and you shoot that and why we're shoot.

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<v Speaker 2>In Hawaii for eight months nineteen episodes. Yeah, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of people.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't know there is no CGI in the show, so

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<v Speaker 5>like foot wave behind me, it's really a twenty foot wave.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you are you at YMEA? Are you where are you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, We're all up and down the north shore, so.

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<v Speaker 1>We have so you're actually shooting at the north shore.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean in the opening episode, the opening sequence when

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<v Speaker 5>I'm on the rescue slide coming in the waves behind me,

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<v Speaker 5>that's actually at pipeline. It's like on that was like

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<v Speaker 5>a dangerous days at pipeline.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my first week of filming. I told her

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<v Speaker 2>when I was like, that was my initiation.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was it. That was during the wintertime when

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<v Speaker 1>the waves are really great. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>That was a big part of the show is that

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<v Speaker 5>we had to film during winter so that we were

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<v Speaker 5>getting huge swells.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I used to be a surfer and I

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<v Speaker 1>did go to Maya and I did not go out

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<v Speaker 1>and the surf it was too big. Sorry, But I

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<v Speaker 1>did climb on the top of that rock and jump

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<v Speaker 1>off it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yes, yes, in the spot. I love that, you

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<v Speaker 2>know that spot?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I like that spot. Yeah. Yeah, I do that

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<v Speaker 1>all day. Yeah, I love it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And the twenty foot waves are like, nah, I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>going out and that I don't want to die today.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's the thing is, it's not just the way

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<v Speaker 5>when you get in that washing machine and you are

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<v Speaker 5>throng and tumble. I mean you really don't know what's

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<v Speaker 5>up and what's down, and there's and there's current and

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<v Speaker 5>it's it is an experience like no other.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's shallow, yes, and it's coral and it will

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<v Speaker 1>rip you up. I mean, it's just the guys that

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<v Speaker 1>go out there and do that or they're so talented

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<v Speaker 1>and so brave. I just like you know, I had,

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<v Speaker 1>I had experienced surfing, you know, Sunset Beach in Malibu,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>And a lot of it is because of the coral

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<v Speaker 5>and the reef break and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what made did one of the most dangerous stretches

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<v Speaker 2>in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Because you know, you're not twenty foot wave, but you

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<v Speaker 5>only got this much between you and the coral.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's it's really I thought I knew.

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<v Speaker 5>I have a new appreciation and new respect ending for

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<v Speaker 5>these surfers from mother Nature, for the power of the

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<v Speaker 5>ocean over there, I meanlievable, and the life.

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<v Speaker 2>So much respect for the real lifeguards that are okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So who do you get recognized the most for

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<v Speaker 1>what character?

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's definitely a tie between Lindsay from Gilmore Girls

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<v Speaker 5>Carriers from John Charger Must Die, Cecilia from Aquamarine and

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<v Speaker 5>Lexi Vampire Diaries, and then and then currently people will

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<v Speaker 5>stop me for Rescue High Surf because it's currently airing.

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<v Speaker 2>But if in the past that's what it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're a superstar. It's unbelievable. You're just such a star. Ariel,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you so much. Thank you for your.

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<v Speaker 2>Time, and thank you to the fans for all the

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<v Speaker 2>great questions. That was really fun for me. I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>Lindsay Q.

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<v Speaker 1>And A yeah, I take great, I take great anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Ariel, one of our favorites over here and

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<v Speaker 1>the best fans on the planet. You asked the questions,

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<v Speaker 1>you got the answers right from the horse's mouth. Thanks again,

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<v Speaker 1>Ariel for showing up and being you. Just thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>being you, and remember best fans on the planet. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for downloads and where you lead, we will follow.

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<v Speaker 3>Stay sife.

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