Speaker 1: We're standing in one of the many illegally cleared fields
Speaker 1: at the edge of the Amazon rainforest, home to one
Speaker 1: in ten known species on Earth, our planets lungs, and
Speaker 1: it's being burned by people who either don't understand or
Speaker 1: don't care that when the Amazon dies, we all die.
Speaker 1: Today's protest puts our elected officials on notice, stop the
Speaker 1: deforestation or pay the price at the ballot box. Hive
Speaker 1: once again posted our coordinates in the caption of this video.
Speaker 1: Join us in the fight for our planet. I don't
Speaker 1: know how they can ignore that. That's why I love you.
Speaker 1: Let out here. You're a revolutionary. People need to understand
Speaker 1: what's at stake. I think they'll come. Here's someone now,
Speaker 1: oh ship, it's bed at all? What's its banner? Have
Speaker 1: you keep? The Amazon? Don's got a value, cloth took
Speaker 1: out of value and big food corps like his are
Speaker 1: the reason why deforestation in Brazil has increased over the
Speaker 1: past year. He's also well connected people like Marina Mortal.
Speaker 1: Politicians like Moto are the kind of people were going
Speaker 1: to drive out. Brother. Please your scientists drop this activism thing.
Speaker 1: Your family's blood will be on your hands. This isn't
Speaker 1: about anyone. This is about all of us, you know what.
Speaker 1: I hope someone does shoot you. That's the only way
Speaker 1: you'll learn. I love you, I forgive you you. Guys
Speaker 1: will work it out, you always do. I know, it's
Speaker 1: it's just hard. Oh my god. M Welcome to Solve,
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Speaker 1: Amazon assassination. I had just gotten into the worst fight
Speaker 1: of my life with my brother. I storm off. Then
Speaker 1: I hear gunshots come running back and I see I
Speaker 1: see them. Oh you didn't not in line in their
Speaker 1: own blood. It didn't have to be this way. I
Speaker 1: told they were getting in too deep. But they've been
Speaker 1: so stubborn lately. I guess everything changed for them after
Speaker 1: the fire spreading faster than anything I've ever seen. We
Speaker 1: have to go. Let me just got a few things
Speaker 1: from the No, we have to leave it. There's a
Speaker 1: decade of research in there. There's no time come on, good, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're ready, it's all gone. We'll rebuild. Fucking got a value,
Speaker 1: we don't know, that's who did this, naive? Have you
Speaker 1: got a value? Clears the land, farms that makes more money,
Speaker 1: and to hell with collateral damage. Like us, there's no
Speaker 1: use in being angry, especially at each other. Our home
Speaker 1: just burned to the ground. I'm allowed a few moments
Speaker 1: of justified rage. Ah, but you're right now, it's not
Speaker 1: the time to get mad. Now's the time to organize.
Speaker 1: Natalia became obsessed organizing all these protests and social media campaigns.
Speaker 1: In the end, a lot of powerful people wanted them dead.
Speaker 1: And those people want you to think the killers have
Speaker 1: been caught. You know, those boys they arrested, but I
Speaker 1: was there. I was the one who caught them standing
Speaker 1: over my brother's body. They may have pulled the trigger,
Speaker 1: but they're just pawns, These terrified sixteen seventeen year old kids.
Speaker 1: They didn't kill Ha Viet Natalia on their own. They
Speaker 1: were working for someone. Yeah, we were set up. We
Speaker 1: keep telling you we don't know who hired us, but
Speaker 1: it's the truth. They don't believe us, Davi. They need
Speaker 1: to hear the voicemail. Somebody left us this creepy message. Look,
Speaker 1: this is our home address. Go there. Our pops will
Speaker 1: give you my phone. Good luck finding the place. We're
Speaker 1: deep in the favela. Hey, you figure out who send
Speaker 1: these messages? Does it mean we're getting out? How we're
Speaker 1: not getting out? Then? Why get these strangers our phone?
Speaker 1: It's the right thing to do. The phoney sold yours.
Speaker 1: We don't have much, obviously, but it was important to
Speaker 1: me that Silent Dowby have phones so that they could
Speaker 1: call it they ever got in trouble. Look, my boys
Speaker 1: are not killers. Somehow someone with money got their number,
Speaker 1: someone who knew I cannot work with his bum leg
Speaker 1: Silent day. They were just trying to help the family here. Listen,
Speaker 1: worked before stars for it with you warves. They had
Speaker 1: them over a barrel, kill or be killed. How are
Speaker 1: a bunch of four teenagers from the Fabila supposed to
Speaker 1: know how to handle this? Huh? I feel terribly about
Speaker 1: what happened to those scientists. But whoever said all this
Speaker 1: up took my boys away too. I don't know who
Speaker 1: was behind the voicemail. Could have been the same person
Speaker 1: who started the fires. Got val you already burned down
Speaker 1: heavy Natalia's home. Do you think he's above planning a
Speaker 1: hit on them? All? Right, let's build a new home.
Speaker 1: We should speak with the tribal leader of the area.
Speaker 1: Let him know we're here. We mean no harm. They
Speaker 1: left cleared out with the fires all part of a
Speaker 1: plan get rid of the tribes and get more land
Speaker 1: to clear for his farms. Heard he's got trucks coming
Speaker 1: in this weekend. You bet he's going to be piste
Speaker 1: when thousands of people stand in the way of those trucks. Thousands.
Speaker 1: We're viral, babe, don't you know whoa all these reposts?
Speaker 1: People are fed up. This is just the beginning. Here's
Speaker 1: the thing, siln me. We liked what those activists guys
Speaker 1: were doing. Yeah, you know see the Amazon and all that.
Speaker 1: Whoever sent that voice smell, that's who wanted them dead.
Speaker 1: Tell him about the rancher. Oh yeah, the rancher. We
Speaker 1: heard he got his son to shoot some lady like
Speaker 1: ten years back. Now all his sons in Joe for life.
Speaker 1: Salm me. We're thinking he got someone to do his
Speaker 1: dirty work once before. He's probably the one who set
Speaker 1: this whole thing up. Hey, tell me what you think
Speaker 1: of this tweet, Hey representative motto, when are you going
Speaker 1: to tell Cavo to stop tearing down your constituents home
Speaker 1: for profit? Tread lightly, Senora Moto, we're watching. I like that.
Speaker 1: Tread lightly. Okay, I'm almost done with the press release
Speaker 1: for the protest. Someone's outside, Hello, have you Natalyam? What
Speaker 1: the hell are you doing here? My name is Miguel Olivera.
Speaker 1: I am a cattle farmer. We know who you are.
Speaker 1: I only want to speak with you. Your son murdered
Speaker 1: our mentor, and for ten years I've been paying for
Speaker 1: that crime. Every day I feel terrible for what happened
Speaker 1: to that woman. Louisa. Her name was Louisa. She was
Speaker 1: the smartest, bravest environmental scientists in all of Brazil. Better
Speaker 1: not even think about asking for forgiveness because no, I
Speaker 1: understand apologies are useless at this point, but I do
Speaker 1: want to make amends. I'm not the same man I
Speaker 1: once was. I couldn't blame Heavier and Natalia for how
Speaker 1: they reacted to see. Ten years ago, my ranching business
Speaker 1: was expanding and I needed more land. The activists Louisa,
Speaker 1: she was working with the indigenous people, getting in the way.
Speaker 1: I guess I was railing against them, making a lot
Speaker 1: of noise about it. My son he took it all
Speaker 1: to heart, and he took our rifle and he shot
Speaker 1: that lady in her home. It's my greatest shame. You
Speaker 1: really expect us to believe you've changed. Maybe this will
Speaker 1: convince you alternative meat what I want to get into?
Speaker 1: Alternative meat. You're a rancher, Miguel. Times are changing. Soy
Speaker 1: beans are in such high demand, and crops take up
Speaker 1: less land than cattle. Farming still means deforestation. Or did
Speaker 1: you not hear about value burning down our home? Soy
Speaker 1: Beans aren't the reason your home was burned down. Greed is,
Speaker 1: and I'm not greedy like our value, not anymore. So
Speaker 1: go be a farmer, Miguel. What do you want with us?
Speaker 1: You have the ear of the people. You want some
Speaker 1: sort of alliance, yes, exactly, keep the Amazon lose car
Speaker 1: value right and ethical local business to fill the void.
Speaker 1: I don't clear one acre without consulting with you too, Neil,
Speaker 1: let us so let us think about it. Look, cattle
Speaker 1: ranching is unpredictable. I was since here when I proposed
Speaker 1: a partnership to Natali and Navier. Nothing I can say
Speaker 1: or do can reverse the pain my son caused them.
Speaker 1: But I thought if we came together in a common goal,
Speaker 1: everyone would benefit. You're not actually considering this. You really
Speaker 1: think Miguel can be trusted? I think conservation activism mix
Speaker 1: for strange bedfellows, that's all. What are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: Do you know that everyone's talking about this protest? Hello
Speaker 1: to YouTube and yeah, that's kind of the whole idea.
Speaker 1: If we want representative model's attention, we've got to go big. Okay.
Speaker 1: Even Migael Olivera came to us about a partnership the
Speaker 1: cattle rancher. He's a killer, that's his son. And who
Speaker 1: do you think he got the idea from? Everyone deserves
Speaker 1: a second chance. Probably only came to you because he's
Speaker 1: about to sign this big government contract. What are you
Speaker 1: talking about. He's going to get thousands of acres for
Speaker 1: his cattle form through some bullshit long strange bedfellows. Have
Speaker 1: you wait? Father? How do you know about the land deal?
Speaker 1: I haven't read anything about it yet. I okay, I'm
Speaker 1: working for Mortal okay as a courier, just for some
Speaker 1: extra cash. Wow, you're lecturing us about our partnerships, and
Speaker 1: you're working for everybody. Okay, sir, there's a note attached.
Speaker 1: It says, get out of the Amazon. You see what's happening.
Speaker 1: If you two don't stop, people are going to come
Speaker 1: after us. I think about my kids. I'm not going
Speaker 1: to let anything happen to the family bedroom. Sure did
Speaker 1: break through the window. That's gangster ship. I'm thinking good
Speaker 1: of value, God buy your foods. Is the number one
Speaker 1: producer of agricultural exports in all of Brazil. I built
Speaker 1: an empire, respectfully. A couple of truly huggers are not
Speaker 1: worth my time. I was just conducting my business. It
Speaker 1: was the girl who was getting all hostile. Got the
Speaker 1: car keys? Yeah? Have you got the list of demands
Speaker 1: that gift tomorrow? It's got a value. What are you
Speaker 1: doing here? Where are you too Russian? Off to? Going
Speaker 1: to change yourself to some trees? We have a meeting
Speaker 1: with Mariina motto You're not welcome here. M hmmm. I
Speaker 1: thought the Amazon was all over our land. Look I
Speaker 1: have the Internet. I see this protester planning, do the
Speaker 1: smart thing and call it off. We're not afraid of you,
Speaker 1: car Valio. You get a few likes online and you
Speaker 1: think you're tough ship. Now i'd be careful about are you?
Speaker 1: What can you learning it when your little friend Luisa
Speaker 1: got into wheel of progress. If you think burning down
Speaker 1: our home then coming here and making threats is going
Speaker 1: to stop us, then you're even dumber than your reputation. Fine,
Speaker 1: fuck you both. Don't say any warn you. I come
Speaker 1: from the fabulas, I clawed my way to the top.
Speaker 1: I'm legit. Now you've got to funk it all up.
Speaker 1: Killing two science geeks? Nah, you want to find out
Speaker 1: who killed those two? Follow the money, Natahalia? Have you
Speaker 1: come in? Senora Mortor is just finishing up in a meeting. WHOA,
Speaker 1: this is so fancy. She'll be with you in a moment.
Speaker 1: Representative to morrow call me Marina. Please, thank you for coming.
Speaker 1: I am so happy to be able to tell you
Speaker 1: in person how much I appreciate the work you're doing
Speaker 1: for Brazil. Really you look surprised. Well, it's just that, well,
Speaker 1: you don't seem to be a fan of conservation. We
Speaker 1: know that you're behind the bill allowing people like Miguel
Speaker 1: Oliveda and Claudia Value to buy land. Well, first, let
Speaker 1: me be clear that anyone caught illegally burning any land
Speaker 1: will be forbidden from owning it and they'll be jailed.
Speaker 1: And yes, we're selling the burned areas, but part of
Speaker 1: this new law requires land buyers to provide a conservation plan,
Speaker 1: meaning reforestation. What. Sorry, this is not how we expected
Speaker 1: this conversation to go. Still, profiting off of the Amazon
Speaker 1: never leads to anything good. Well, some finessing maybe in order,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm so glad you're here. Was that
Speaker 1: a blue macaw? That's local. He's my number one buddy,
Speaker 1: follows me everywhere, very extinct in the wild. I'm working
Speaker 1: on their repopular nation. So you really really are interested
Speaker 1: in conservation very much, so if that's true, we drew
Speaker 1: up a list of demands, but maybe this could be
Speaker 1: more of a partnership we could announce at the protest.
Speaker 1: I like the way you're thinking, Adrianna, make a copy
Speaker 1: of these papers. Absolutely, Natalia and Javier were agents of change,
Speaker 1: the kind of change I thought I could make when
Speaker 1: I came into office. Change takes time. Without their voices,
Speaker 1: I fear our conservation efforts will take a giant step back.
Speaker 1: Their deaths were a dark day for Brazil. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Did you say conservation and mortal m No, no no, no,
Speaker 1: those two things don't make All I'm saying is that,
Speaker 1: like four years ago, I don't need it to model
Speaker 1: in the next year. What's a penny year for that
Speaker 1: value of fruits? I like that pull over there. I
Speaker 1: call it the model swimming pool. Five rides on rush
Speaker 1: and juicy. Do we need more tomatoes? Yea, get a few.
Speaker 1: Why aren't you returning my calls? Are you following us? Milk?
Speaker 1: We're not going to work with you? Why not? I
Speaker 1: thought we were going to be a team. You don't
Speaker 1: want to be a team. You just want us on
Speaker 1: your side so that we don't stage a protest on
Speaker 1: the new land you're getting for your cattle farm. Alternative
Speaker 1: meat makay. Yes, I was offered a contract, but I
Speaker 1: turned it down. Got a value signed the contract. Isn't
Speaker 1: he the one that you're protesting? Oh don't worry, We'll
Speaker 1: be protesting all of you. I thought we could have
Speaker 1: had something here. Join us tomorrow as we speak truth
Speaker 1: to power hashtag, keep the Amazon hashtag, lose god Valuo
Speaker 1: send all right, last post for tonight. Here's to tomorrow
Speaker 1: to tomorrow. It'll it's almost midnight. You need to hear this.
Speaker 1: It's all talk, I'll talk. Was it all talk when
Speaker 1: Luisa was shocked for doing the same thing you guys
Speaker 1: are doing. Guys, please, we're your family. My children are
Speaker 1: your children, and I want to provide a future for them.
Speaker 1: If we stop what we're doing because of threat, empty threat,
Speaker 1: They're not empty. If we stop, we might as well
Speaker 1: be dead. Okay, tomorrow has to go forward, and the
Speaker 1: day after that and the day after that. The world
Speaker 1: is burning bedrole literally, you're killing us. We're saving you,
Speaker 1: saving all of us. We all have to do what
Speaker 1: we think is right. I guess good night, it's Maria
Speaker 1: Mota Moto. Don't go through with the protest. What do
Speaker 1: you mean? My staff has been getting some ominous threats
Speaker 1: voicemails then, you know. Look, I want to make this happen.
Speaker 1: I do, but I just can't be in this fight
Speaker 1: right now. So you really are just another politician. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: but I can't be a part of this. If I
Speaker 1: were you two, I wouldn't show up either. I tried
Speaker 1: to warn them they knew their lives were at risk.
Speaker 1: Had I shown up to the protest. I could have
Speaker 1: been killed too. We're standing in one of the many
Speaker 1: illegally cleared fields at the edge of the Amazon rainforest,
Speaker 1: home to one and ten known species on Earth, our
Speaker 1: planets lungs, and it's being burned by people who either
Speaker 1: don't understand or don't care that when the Amazon dies,
Speaker 1: we all die. Today's protest puts our elected officials on notice,
Speaker 1: stop the deforestation, or pay the price at the ballot box.
Speaker 1: Hive once again posted our coordinates in the caption of
Speaker 1: this video. Join us in the fight for our planet.
Speaker 1: I don't know how they can ignore that. That's why
Speaker 1: I love unit out here. You're a revolutionary. People need
Speaker 1: to understand what's at stake. Think they'll come. There's someone now,
Speaker 1: Oh ship, it's Bett. What's with its banner? Have you
Speaker 1: keep the Amazon? Let's got a value close took out
Speaker 1: of value and big food corps like his are the
Speaker 1: reason why deforestation in Brazil has increased over the past year.
Speaker 1: He's also well connected people like Marina Mortal. Politicians like
Speaker 1: Moto are the kind of people were going to drive out. Brother.
Speaker 1: Please your scientists drop this activism thing. Your family's blood
Speaker 1: will be on your hands. This isn't about anyone, this
Speaker 1: is about all of us. You know what, I hope
Speaker 1: someone does shoot you. That's the only way you'll learn.
Speaker 1: I love you, I forgive you. You. Guys will work
Speaker 1: it out, you always do. You know, it's it's just hard.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you've reached the end of the investigation.
Speaker 1: It's time to decide who you think ordered the killing
Speaker 1: of Natalia and Javier. Here are your suspects. Javier's brother Pedro.
Speaker 1: You know what, I hope someone does shoot you. That's
Speaker 1: the only way you'll learn. The rancher Miguel ali Vera,
Speaker 1: we know who you are. I only want to speak
Speaker 1: with you, your son murdered, our mentor the gangster turned
Speaker 1: businessman Claudio car Voio. You think you're tough ship now
Speaker 1: I'd be careful of how are you? Or don't you
Speaker 1: learn anything when your little friend Luisa got into the
Speaker 1: way of progress. The politician Marina Morrow. But I can't
Speaker 1: be a part of it. And if I were you too,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't show him either. Or did the shooters, the
Speaker 1: Santos brothers act on their own. We were set up.
Speaker 1: We keep telling you we don't know who hired us,
Speaker 1: but it's the truth. We'll be back with the answer
Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor. Now it's time to
Speaker 1: find out who killed Natalia and Xavier. The mastermind was
Speaker 1: two faced politician Marina Morrow. MS. Morrow may have portrayed
Speaker 1: herself as a conservationist, but she was only interested in
Speaker 1: making money off of the Amazon rainforest. All I'm saying
Speaker 1: is that, like four years ago, I donated the mortal.
Speaker 1: In the next year, it was a banner year for
Speaker 1: that Balio foods. Everything Morrow said was allied to manipulate
Speaker 1: whomever she was speaking to. I am so happy to
Speaker 1: be able to tell you in person how much I
Speaker 1: appreciate the work you're doing for bresume. I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: I can't be a part of this. If I were
Speaker 1: you two, I wouldn't show him either. The only time
Speaker 1: Moral was telling the truth was in the voicemails. She
Speaker 1: would leave using a digitally distorted voice. But it wasn't
Speaker 1: what Morro said on the voicemails that gave her away.
Speaker 1: It was a noise that could be heard in the background,
Speaker 1: an odd robotic sound. Moro made sure to distort her
Speaker 1: voice beyond recognition, but forgot about one thing. Was that
Speaker 1: a blue macaw that's local. He's my number one buddy,
Speaker 1: follows me everywhere. The strange sounds in the background were
Speaker 1: Moral's beloved pet bird, Loco, extinct in the wild. The
Speaker 1: blue macaws calls could only have come from Marina Morrow's office.
Speaker 1: This episode was inspired by the two thousand eleven murder
Speaker 1: of a conservationist and his wife in Brazil. After becoming
Speaker 1: a prominent opponent of loggers and ranchers in the fight
Speaker 1: to preserve the Amazon rainforest, the activists and his wife
Speaker 1: began receiving death threats, and despite being named in a
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight report by a human rights group
Speaker 1: as an activist considered at risk of assassination, he was
Speaker 1: denied police protection. Three years later, the couple was shot
Speaker 1: and killed in an ambush attack. The killing of Amazon
Speaker 1: conservationists has only gotten more since, with fifty seven activists
Speaker 1: murdered in two thousand seventeen alone. Natalia was played by
Speaker 1: Carla Tassara, Javier by Caram Maliki Sanchez, Pedro by Edward L. Reina,
Speaker 1: Claudio by John Malario, Miguel by Paulo Andino, Marina by
Speaker 1: Rachel a quaintance, Davey by Abraham Rodriguez, sal by Dante Amato,
Speaker 1: Signor Santos by Steve Wilcox, Adriana by Amber Romero. Various
Speaker 1: sellers were played by Paulo Andino, Amber Romero and Steve Wilcox.
Speaker 1: This episode was written by Amelia Phillips, directed by Corey Serge.
Speaker 1: Executive produced by Corey Serge and Walt Palmer, Produced, recorded
Speaker 1: and mixed by Salt Audio. Edited and sound designed by
Speaker 1: Zach Pino for Salt Audio. Original music and score by
Speaker 1: Noah Gersh and Jamie Scheffman at Salt Audio. Recorded at
Speaker 1: Bang Zoom Studios. Casting by Romy Stepman, Casting Assistant Daisy Laura,
Speaker 1: Production Coordinator Liz LeMay. Next time on Solve, A teen's
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