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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, home of the

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Speaker 1: modern white tail hunter, and now your host, Mark Kenyon.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyan, and today on the show, we are joined

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Speaker 1: by Zach Farrenbaugh from the Hunting Public to dive into

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Speaker 1: how he would handle some of the most difficult situations

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Speaker 1: in the deer hunting world. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt podcast, brought to you by First Light. Today

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Speaker 1: we are wrapping up our series of what would you

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Speaker 1: do podcasts. Hopefully you've heard the three prior. We've talked

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Speaker 1: to Jeff Sturgis, Michael Hunt, Sucker, and Adam Hayes, and

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Speaker 1: you know the deal. We're gonna break down and discuss

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Speaker 1: a series of different hypothe medical scenarios. We're gona paint

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Speaker 1: a picture and we're gonna have our guests describe how

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Speaker 1: they would handle this situation, what they would do, how

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Speaker 1: they think about it, et cetera. Our guest today is

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Speaker 1: someone you probably know. Hopefully no, he's been in the

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Speaker 1: podcast in the past. He's well known because of his

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Speaker 1: exploits on YouTube. This is Zack Farrenball. He is a

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Speaker 1: member of the Hunting Public team previously was seen on

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Speaker 1: Midwest white Tail. Zack is a phenomenal white tail hunter

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Speaker 1: and he's doing it almost all on public land, all

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Speaker 1: on public land these days, and uniquely compared to a

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Speaker 1: lot of folks, he's doing it almost all on the ground. Now.

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Speaker 1: He has really gotten into and perfected a style of

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Speaker 1: and stalking, occasionally ambushing. But he's doing it not from

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Speaker 1: and he's done it, jeez, at an astounding rate of success.

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Speaker 1: This guy knows what he's doing. And so I today

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Speaker 1: want to see how he would handle a set of

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Speaker 1: different situations, and I brought on my buddy and Wired

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Speaker 1: Hunt host of the Wired Hunt Foundations podcast, Tony Peterson,

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Speaker 1: to help me do it. So Tony and I are

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Speaker 1: going to present a bunch of ideas and situations and

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Speaker 1: handles them. That is it. That's the game plan. This

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Speaker 1: was really good. We're get into some good stuff. Even

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Speaker 1: if you don't hunt from the ground, even if you

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Speaker 1: don't think that's something you want to do. We get

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Speaker 1: into some good general deer hunting knowledge kind of conversations

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Speaker 1: that I think will help anyone out there, whether you

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Speaker 1: hunt public land or private land. There are some some

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Speaker 1: really good themes here that we touch on, so i'd

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Speaker 1: highly encourage you to give this one to listen. Uh.

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Speaker 1: In other news, I would just remind you to be

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Speaker 1: following all of our Wired Dunt content because we're pumping

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Speaker 1: it out at double speed these days. We're getting out

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Speaker 1: new articles on the new Wired Hunt website. You can

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Speaker 1: find and that the meat eater dot com slash Wired

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Speaker 1: w I R e D or just google Wired to

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Speaker 1: Hunt you'll find it there. We're putting in a lot

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Speaker 1: of work to get these articles out there from great

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Speaker 1: people that really know that what they're doing. Tony and

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Speaker 1: I are pushing out our new YouTube video, so check

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Speaker 1: that out. We've got quick educational videos coming out on

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Speaker 1: the Wired Dunt YouTube channel. A lot is gonna be

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Speaker 1: coming out on social media here to Hunting season is

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Speaker 1: kicking off for both Tony and I and Spencer and

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Speaker 1: all the other folks on the wire Dunt teams kicking

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Speaker 1: of weeks. So let's go time and I hope you are.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're as excited as I am, because we

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Speaker 1: on all that investment of time. So here's the opening

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Speaker 1: day coming soon and without other way, let's get to

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Speaker 1: my chat. Me and Tony talking with Zach Farenbaugh. Alright

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Speaker 1: bo Zach, welcome back to the show. Thank you, thanks

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Speaker 1: for having me. Yeah, I uh, I just was looking

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Speaker 1: so almost three years ago. So it's it's definitely good

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Speaker 1: the last month or so, we've been doing this series

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Speaker 1: just me, Tony Peterson is here to throw the real curveballs. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's a pleasure to get to do this with you, Zack. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm really looking forward to it, and and I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: Only the worst, only the worst. That but that's good.

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Speaker 1: So I figured let's let's mentally go through some of

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Speaker 1: We've already been through it. Mark already forced me into

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Speaker 1: I love like visualizations and you know, trying to prep mentally.

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Speaker 1: Can we stay in in this alternate universe for a second? Mark?

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Speaker 1: but for the sake of Zach, I say we we

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00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: move on, all right. So Zach, I'm sure you guys

428
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: hear this, and you you've done a really good job

429
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: with THHP on expanding where you guys are traveling to

430
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: and where you're filming. But I know I I hear

431
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: this a lot from people in a deep cell. So

432
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,239
Speaker 1: this is kind of where this scenario comes from. So

433
00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 1: you have five days to get it done in the

434
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: swamps of Louisiana on public land, starting on their October

435
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 1: one opener. This is a two parter. What do you

436
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,200
Speaker 1: look for east scouting before you ever hit the road?

437
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:54,439
Speaker 1: And then what's the first thing you do when you

438
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 1: show up there in person? Okay, so the very first

439
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: thing I'm looking at the act, it's like, I don't

440
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 1: spend I mean, honestly with deer right now that I've

441
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: been doing the last couple of seasons, it's just mostly

442
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:12,320
Speaker 1: looking for access points to start, just seeing where the

443
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: road touches up a plan, and then I'll zoom in

444
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 1: and out and just kind of get a read on

445
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: what every access point looks like. If it's there's a

446
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 1: big pole in with a big turnaround, I'm less interested

447
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,920
Speaker 1: in that versus something where you know, I don't see

448
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 1: that poll off or I don't see the big you know,

449
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: kind of parking lot type um access points. And then

450
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,200
Speaker 1: because there's any trails, you know, kind of take note

451
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: of those as well. But then I always just zoom

452
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: out and look at it big scale, have those pins,

453
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, pins where I can tell there's obvious access points,

454
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,679
Speaker 1: and then just try to find like any corner or

455
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: like it may be a deep spot, but it may

456
00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,879
Speaker 1: be something that's just kind of um, I don't know,

457
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 1: maybe like a backdoor type spot, don't or you know,

458
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: we always always talk about overlook but like you know,

459
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 1: that sometimes can get confusing. It's like overlooked can look

460
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,280
Speaker 1: a lot of different ways. You know, an overlooked spot

461
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: could be parking off the side of the road where

462
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: there's not a major pull off and walking straight up

463
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,520
Speaker 1: a steep face to get you know, on the back

464
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: side of a hill right off the road. Um, that

465
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 1: may look like and then I get the Louisiana but

466
00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: maybe not look like that, but maybe it's water so

467
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 1: maybe it's like I can tell there's a bunch of water,

468
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, nobody's probably walking around this big

469
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 1: slow and just hunting, you know, ultimately three yards from

470
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: the road or something. So I would look at it

471
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 1: like that I find, um, you know again access points

472
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: tough to find place or you know, tough to get

473
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: to places. And then once I get there, even with

474
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: five days, I would spend you know, at least probably

475
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,280
Speaker 1: the first day, the first full day, driving around and

476
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: just like hopping out and looking at stuff real quick,

477
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: like really just getting a gauge of what the area

478
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 1: looks like, what these access points actually look like. How

479
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 1: long does it take to drive to a spot from

480
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: the nearest town, um, because those things have definitely an impact,

481
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: Like even places and you know, tons of place I funded, um,

482
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: different states, Like if you take that nearest town, which

483
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,360
Speaker 1: is kind of like probably where the most hunters are

484
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: coming from, if you find a place on the particular

485
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:41,919
Speaker 1: piece of public lands furthest from that town, if it

486
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: takes you know, if you can be to the public

487
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 1: land in like fifteen minutes versus forty five or an

488
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,920
Speaker 1: hour and fifteen to the other side of the piece

489
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: of public. You know, that's the type of stuff that UM,

490
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: I think does have an impact on pressure a little bit,

491
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: Like that's a good start. Um. There's always a chance

492
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: that you get to a piece of um public that

493
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: you thought was gonna be an easy access point. But

494
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it's a wet year and that swamp

495
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: has swelled up and it's now going across the road

496
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: and nobody can drive there. Maybe the rivers flooded. Um.

497
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: You know, all that stuff I think is really important

498
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,479
Speaker 1: to just get your eyes on, because if you just

499
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: look at a piece of public and you're like, this

500
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,399
Speaker 1: is the funnel, like this is where they're going, you

501
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: know that. I mean that may be true, but in

502
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 1: my experience, the places that I think are going to

503
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: be the best, maybe they end up being good spots.

504
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: Maybe that's even when I end up shooting a deer.

505
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,360
Speaker 1: But like, UM, a lot of times, I would say

506
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: more times than that being the case, I'm driving around

507
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: and I signed some oddball thing. It hinders people from

508
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: getting into the public, and then you know that ends

509
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: up being something that I focused more on than I

510
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: hadn't anticipated. UM, So driving around looking for that type

511
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: of access and everything and then the next thing is

512
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: is just topic. Well, the other of thing I do

513
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: when I'm driving around obviously looked for deer and I

514
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 1: tried to get a Really this is one thing I

515
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,920
Speaker 1: guess I haven't mentioned a whole lot in general, is

516
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: like I drive a real slow, like I'm talking slow,

517
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I don't cover a whole bunch of grounds. I'll literally

518
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: drive with my head out the window looking for deer tracks.

519
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 1: You know, if you're on a sand road or like

520
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: down South and my experience, you know, you have a

521
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: little bit sandier of a road versus like um Illa

522
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: for example, You've got like straight uppart gravel road, it's

523
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: harder to see deer tracks on the road. But driving

524
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 1: down the road hanging my head out the window just

525
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 1: looking for deer tracks, It's like if they're starts to

526
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: be a big increase in tracks, you know, that might

527
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: impact you know, where I want to be, especially you know,

528
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 1: if you see a big buck track, I might have

529
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: an impact on where you're interested in hunting as well,

530
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: or like a high density of the big buck tracks.

531
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: But drive really slow, look for tracks, look for rails

532
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: crossing the road, and then also really break down the

533
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: forest type like look at the difference in diversity. Like

534
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: if you hit a big patch like like in the South,

535
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: for example, a big patch of monotonous pine trees that

536
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: are pretty mature that are about you know, probably gonna

537
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: be harvested for you know, like in the rotation of

538
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: the pine operation down there, it's like if they're gonna

539
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: be cut soon and it's not real, you know, not

540
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: a whole lot of diversity going on. Like I don't

541
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: necessarily anticipate deer being right in that. But if I

542
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: hit a patch of wetland where I can just tell

543
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: the I mean, you can just look at it and say,

544
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: oh yeah, there's a whole bunch of different plants in this.

545
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: You know, I might start relating what I'm seeing in

546
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: real life in this spot. Two, Like I'll look at

547
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: where I'm at, look at it on the map, and

548
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: try to find something that looks similar on the map.

549
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: Maybe that's harder to get to, you know, that's not

550
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: right off the road, So just getting it like a plant. Uh,

551
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: I guess inventory is really important to me to Oak

552
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: trees obviously have a big impact on you know, where

553
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: dear could be. So while I'm driving around looking at

554
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: if milk trees hanging over the road. Are their acorns

555
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: laying on that their road, you know? And then it's like, Okay,

556
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: that's a whatever oak. Then I know when I'm back

557
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 1: in there to see that oak from a distance, I

558
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: can assume that it's dropping acorns. You know. It's all

559
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: those little things just trying. You're almost like I think

560
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,800
Speaker 1: on that first day, like driving around, you're just trying

561
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: to gain like as much knowledge as possible, and sometimes

562
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: it really feels so silly. We're like looking at the

563
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: most minuscule little thing, like it seems people see that

564
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: you're paying attention to it, like oh, there's a track

565
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: right here on the road, But like you gotta think

566
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: of it, you know, detective style, and you got to

567
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: find every little, you know, thing that could give you

568
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: a clue and just relate that to where you're actually

569
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: gonna go hunting now. So, um, I think that's all

570
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: that stuff important for the first day. Yeah, I guess.

571
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: I guess that maybe answers the question. I don't I

572
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,719
Speaker 1: think that answers the question. Well, it does. And it's

573
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: what was interesting is it took you about ten minutes

574
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: to get to the deer because everything was about where

575
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: are the people going to be first? And you know,

576
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: a lot of East Coating advice is like, hey, look

577
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: for the funnels, look for these soft edges, you know,

578
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: look for stuff that's yeah, like important to deer. But

579
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,120
Speaker 1: if you're in a place where the hunting pressure is,

580
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: you know, is at a saturation point, none of that

581
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: stuff matters, and so you're go ahead, good, Sorry, sorry,

582
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: that's right, buddy. Think about that though. The other thing

583
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 1: about that, though, is like, if you're so, we can

584
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: flip the situation and say you're a guy in in

585
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: Louisiana going to you know, Drew and Iowa tag or

586
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: you drew your drew a can this tag? Like, if

587
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: you don't understand the plants that are growing on the

588
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: areas that you can hunt, and you don't understand how

589
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: the deer are using those plants, funnels may not really

590
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,959
Speaker 1: matter at all. Like there could be the greatest funnel

591
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: of all time. But if it's like in a patch

592
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: of trees that the deer's you know, there's a bunch

593
00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 1: of walnuts in there, like, the deer may not even

594
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 1: be spent in any time in there at all. You know,

595
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: So I think I think you know, you get your

596
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: access points, you get figure out where you think antisipate

597
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 1: the most pressure is going to be. But then you know,

598
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: kind of learning just about it's something different, right if

599
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: I was in Louisiana, Like I've never even been to

600
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: Louisiana yet, so it's like I can make guesses on

601
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,840
Speaker 1: what the deer habitats gonna what's gonna be good, But

602
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't know anything, Like I gotta actually get there

603
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: and just spend some time, um, just learning about the

604
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: plant life there and how the deer interacting with that. Yeah, yeah, no,

605
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: that's all right, buddy. Yeah. And you make you make

606
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: a good point there about funnels and pinch points, because

607
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: we talk about them as if they're absolute places deer

608
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: are always going to go through and they have to

609
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: they have to have a reason. Like if they don't

610
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: have a reason to go from one side to the other,

611
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter how awesome it is. Um. I want

612
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: to I want to touch on one other thing that

613
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: you brought up there that you know, you said that

614
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: you drive down the road really slowly and you're looking

615
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: for tracks if the if the conditions allow for it,

616
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: and that sounds like that sounds like kindergarten stuff, right,

617
00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,960
Speaker 1: But a lot of people go in with this idea

618
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: that I've you know, I've got all these pins dropped,

619
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna hike in here and look at this,

620
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: and hike in here and look at this. And what

621
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: you're saying is I'm just gonna be open to the

622
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: fact that this gravel road might clue me into a

623
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: place where these dear cross in a way that I

624
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: could never see on East scouting. And sometimes I know

625
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: you guys have seen this if you're in the right

626
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: place with like patchwork public, where you've got you know,

627
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: checkerboard public private, public, private, and you know, you might

628
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: have really nice egg or feeders or something on the

629
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: on the private, and then the public doesn't. You can

630
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,760
Speaker 1: you can cruise those section lines and see serious travel

631
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: roads in the right conditions just by driving a road.

632
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: And it sounds like too simple, but it works in

633
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: some places. I mean it really works. It works well too.

634
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:23,800
Speaker 1: I think. Just learn so much about i mean different

635
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: edges that they are using. I mean, like you said,

636
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: dear transitioning from maybe they're betting on public and they're

637
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: moving to private to go to a feeder or or

638
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: a pasture with you know, just a different type of

639
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: food source for them where they're getting some diversity in

640
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:46,319
Speaker 1: they're diet. I mean, I mean one time we were

641
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: in Alabama driving around and we found where two bucks

642
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: were fighting on the road, like it was just playing

643
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: a day, Like there was definitely a buck fight right here,

644
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it's it's it's like, man, that tells you, O,

645
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 1: there's two bucks here pretty close. You know, it doesn't

646
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: have to be anything like I mean, I'm not saying that,

647
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: it tells you exactly where it is, but then you

648
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: can kind of use your other uh skills, like just

649
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: knowing where dear bed to kind of reference that and say, okay,

650
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: if there's two bucks right in this on this section

651
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: of road, like where did they come from? Where maybe

652
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,879
Speaker 1: where they may be going. If this happened at night,

653
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: you know what time and night, how far are they

654
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: from their bedding area? You know, and stuff like that

655
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: really can help put you right in the right spot.

656
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: I mean, it's I love that. I mean I love

657
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: driving around looking at the trails crossing the road and like, yeah,

658
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: again it does seem kind of silly, but like I mean,

659
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: it definitely can put you in the right put you

660
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 1: in the game. At least you can help point in

661
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: the right direction and maybe even teach you something about

662
00:35:48,760 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: how the deer interacting with the vegetation. I want to

663
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: play this scenario out a little further, um because I

664
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: like where we're going here, and I want to let me.

665
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: Let's assume that you start doing your drive, your slow driving.

666
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: And to be honest with you, Zach, I don't know

667
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: if I fully believe you on this because when I

668
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: envisioned you driving around, I envisioned you driving just like

669
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: you start walking into the woods, Like I see you

670
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: sprinting in the woods and screaming. Well, I could just

671
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: see you get in your truck and like peeling out,

672
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: like put your head out the window and scream let's hunt,

673
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: and then go seventy miles down the dirt road. That's

674
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: what I think actually happens. But that's that's where it is.

675
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: I could actually see how I do you would think that.

676
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 1: But it's funny because I get accused of driving like

677
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: a grandpa all the time, and like I always get

678
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 1: I actually get frustrated when my dad is driving when

679
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: we're hunting, because I'm like, hey, you gotta flow down

680
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at stuff pretty funny, but yeah, I

681
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,399
Speaker 1: can see where you think that. Yeah, well, let's let's

682
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: say you do rip slow though. As you do that,

683
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: you're you're seeing tracks crisscrossing everywhere. You're even seeing like

684
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: big tracks that make you think, oh, that could be

685
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: a big heavy deer. Maybe you are driving at last

686
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: light and there's some crop fields kind of on the

687
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: edges of this marshy stuff down there, and you see

688
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: like good bucks um and just the area is seemingly

689
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: loaded with deer, more than you could have imagined. There's

690
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of deer hanging out in this area. But

691
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: you decided to poke around in the woods and you

692
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: get to the first access point that you pinned. You

693
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: start walking in there and you bump into another guy

694
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: who's walking out to hunt a tree stand. Uh. You

695
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: pivot and you go look at another spot, and there's

696
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 1: two trucks at this access point, and then you decide

697
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: to pivot again, and as you're hiking into another spot,

698
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: you pass by two tree stands. So there's there's a

699
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: lot of deer in the area, but you're finding people

700
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 1: everywhere you turn. My question is, how do you navigate

701
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: that situation. Do you say, all right, there's people everywhere,

702
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 1: but there's also deer. I can work around them and

703
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: figure them out, or you can say, screw it, I'm

704
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: finding somewhere else where. There's not people all over the place.

705
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of deer and there's a

706
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 1: lot of you know, buck for example, Like you've seen

707
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: them in there there and there's trapped everywhere. Like I'm

708
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: saying you can work around them in that situation, um

709
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: for sure, Like sometimes then and that's kind of helpful really,

710
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,399
Speaker 1: you know, if there's a bunch of deer but there's

711
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: a bunch of hunters, it really like limits where those deer,

712
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 1: especially like your older bucks and does are gonna be

713
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 1: hanging out. Uh, because people are so virtual man, Like

714
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of weird, like you go into certain

715
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: areas of the country and everybody hunts the same way,

716
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: like like everybody kind of does the same thing. And

717
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: gun season in Wisconsin, you know, like they all got

718
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: up in an elevator a box line and they right

719
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: there four wheelers to the spot, like you know, and

720
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: if you can just kind of do something different than that.

721
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: It's like a lot of times you surprise the deer.

722
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: So I guess what then I would do if I'm

723
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: in in this Louisiana situation and driving down the road

724
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: density high hunt hunt deer, but also hunters, I would

725
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: just really start focusing on some of those, like how

726
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: can I do something completely different? You know? Maybe I park,

727
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it looks like this, Maybe I park

728
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 1: at the access point that everybody's parking at, But then

729
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,720
Speaker 1: I walked two miles down the road instead of driving

730
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: my vehicle down there and just kind of right off

731
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: the road. But have walked, you know, a long way

732
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: down the road. Maybe I you know, go or you know,

733
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: get the waiters out across the you know, like waves

734
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: high water to get to a spot that otherwise is

735
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 1: tough to get to. Um. Maybe I guess this just

736
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 1: really trying I get I guess to find the common

737
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: theme of like what is everybody doing? You know, are

738
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: they all walking in putting up three stands on a

739
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: specific type of dry land, or are they hunting? Um,

740
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,320
Speaker 1: everybody hunting in the marsh, you know whatever it may be,

741
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: like just trying to mix it up and do something different.

742
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,840
Speaker 1: Like it is really weird having traveled around to a

743
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: lot of different places to see the tendencies of hunters,

744
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: and like, you know, you hear this, and I mean

745
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 1: I remember reading articles about this, like long long ago

746
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: when I was in like middle school. I remember getting

747
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 1: a magazine. You know, it might have been like q

748
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: d M at the time or something like or whatever

749
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: it was, because it doesn't really matter, just like, had

750
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: this magazine article and was talking about our dear patterning

751
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 1: you and I like at the time that it made

752
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: sense what the article was saying. But the more I

753
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: hunt and the more I see different tendencies of hunters

754
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 1: in a given region, the more I'm just like, these

755
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: things are not even doing anything. They're not that far

756
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: from you, and they're like the most tempting things. You

757
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: know that they're they tempt you, especially if you got

758
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: kil cameras out, you're getting pictures of these deers like

759
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: they're literally living right where you're hunting. But how do

760
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: you break up the like the same exact thing that

761
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 1: everybody's doing. How do you get into a spot that's

762
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: completely different. Maybe it's not even a spot, but maybe

763
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: how you approach the spot. You know, maybe there's a

764
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: guy that's got to treat them in the spot. It's

765
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: just a great spot. Deer go through it. But the

766
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: deer are betted in a positions they know when he

767
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: gets there, you know, or they hear you know, they're

768
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: betted just close enough that when he climbs up the

769
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: ladder stand and that ladder makes that pop, they hear

770
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: it and they're like, Okay, that's our Q to not

771
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: build that direction today. Like I think that stuff happening

772
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 1: like so much more than people give dear credit for, um,

773
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: unless unless you know, you spend a bunch of time hunting,

774
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 1: like a ton of time hunting, you know, you kind

775
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: of overlooked it. This thing so my best I guess

776
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: my the decision I would make at that point, and

777
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: I feel like it's worth hunting, which it sounds like

778
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: it is based off of the situation you've described, Like

779
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: I just want to try to pattern the hunters yet again,

780
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: like how do I get to where the hunters are not?

781
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: Now Here's here's an interesting situation that I think is

782
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 1: happening more often these days now where what you described

783
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: is what someone plans on doing. They show up, they

784
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: see there's hunting pressure out there, and then they determine Okay,

785
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:50,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to figure out what these other people are

786
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: doing and then I'll do the opposite of it. And right,

787
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: like you're saying, a lot of times the current hunters

788
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: are sitting in their tree stands in certain types of places,

789
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: and once you figure that out, it's pretty clear how

790
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 1: to get around that. But let's say when you show

791
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: up at this spot and you're sitting all this deer

792
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 1: and you're realizing there's hunters all over the place. What

793
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: if you go back to the parking lot and you

794
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: happen to see that there's two vehicles there in the

795
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: parking lot and they both have THHP stickers in the

796
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: back window. And then you go to another spot, you

797
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: bump into a guy and there's three buddies there, and

798
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: those three guys like, dude, Zach, we love you. You know,

799
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: we're doing all the same stuff you do. And you

800
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: find out that there's five buddies all here hunting like you.

801
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: How would you hunt around people that hunt like you do,

802
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: all trying to stalk one down, walking around scouting everything.

803
00:43:40,600 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: How would you handle that? Um? Probably just I mean

804
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: the reality is like if that's the case and everybody's

805
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: doing exactly the same thing, it's me. I mean, there

806
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: is a certain point where like it's you know, pulling

807
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: out and moving through a different location, san is reality

808
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: for me, Like I if it gets to a point

809
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: where I'm like, you know what, I'm not feeling it here,

810
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: Um just move, you know, Like that's a that's like

811
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: an easy out answer, though I guess, um just very

812
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: it depends to on this piece of public and like

813
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: I try to almost always hunt an area that like

814
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: prior to getting there, I feel like that's not going

815
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: to be the case as far as like there's just

816
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 1: never gonna be too many people with no matter what

817
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 1: their ideas are, where there's not enough room to breed. You,

818
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, and I'm I guess I mean

819
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: to like it doesn't matter to me as much, like

820
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: I guess, let's put it this way. I can guarantee

821
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna go to Ohio, like I can tell

822
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: you the places where there's too much there's too much

823
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: of exactly that like what you described, but tell you,

824
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 1: like if I go to a place in Virginia, like

825
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 1: there's not going to be that because it's just there's

826
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 1: more room, there's more, there's less Honestly, people are so

827
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: drawn to big bucks it's kind of comical. Like I

828
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: don't care if there's not as many like big antlerd

829
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: Bucks in an area. I'll just go to where there's like,

830
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: you know, less deer numbers probably and smaller you know,

831
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 1: smaller antlerd deer you know. I guess that's one of

832
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: those things to me too, where I feel like it

833
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: gets to a point where like I'm not as caught

834
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: up and shooting like the biggest ANTLERD Buck as much

835
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: as I'm just like I want to get it out

836
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: and I want to have the type of experience where

837
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm kind of out there alone. I feel like, um,

838
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,279
Speaker 1: you know, I just have room to breathe. That's that's

839
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: what I'm attracted to. I want to adventure. I don't

840
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: want to be bumping elbows with people. So like, I

841
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: guess there is just a point where if that is

842
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: the case, I'll let's get out of there, you know,

843
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: just go do something else. But um, if I don't

844
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: have another option, just to answer the question, I'm just

845
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna keep again or just reading what everybody's doing, Like

846
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'll talk with hunters, see what they're thinking,

847
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: see what they're doing, kind of give them my game

848
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: plan or whatever, and if it's like too much, then

849
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: I'll just bounce within that piece of public to a

850
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: different section where we're kind of spreading ourselves out. I

851
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: do think talking with other hunters is really important to

852
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: you know, just saying hey, you know, like we were hunting,

853
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 1: hoping to hunt back in here, but like what's your

854
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: game plan? You know what I mean? And then or

855
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,560
Speaker 1: we're hoping to hunt right in this spot back here,

856
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: this is where we've been going. What's your game plans?

857
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 1: Can we work around it? Or should I go somewhere else?

858
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 1: And you know that's ultimately like what you have to

859
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 1: do sometimes in some situation and if it gets too bad,

860
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: just you know, pick up and drive. And I always

861
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: have a backup plan and backup plan, you know, I

862
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,880
Speaker 1: always save a bunch of maths that way. It's like

863
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 1: I've been in this situation a ton where I'm like,

864
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,520
Speaker 1: that's like hit a wall man, It's like drop down

865
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: on my knees. And I pulled my phone out and

866
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: I started looking at like where else can I go

867
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: within the state where my tag, you know, where my

868
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: tag is legal? And I do that often so you

869
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: know that's that's like kind of my final straw type deal. Uh.

870
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: I'm not letting you off the hook here completely, Zack,

871
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: but I gotta ask Tony a question. Uh, what would

872
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: you do in that scenaric, Tony, what if you were

873
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: hunting a piece of public land and Zach or like

874
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: a Zach lookalike or like wants to be like an

875
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,959
Speaker 1: acolyte of Zach shows up and a couple of guys

876
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: are going to start hunting the same public land that

877
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: you're hunting, just like Zack does. How would you handle

878
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: a situation? I can tell you very specifically that one

879
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: time I was hunting public land and Zack was across

880
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 1: the river from me, and I shot a buck and

881
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: got out of there, honestly, But no, I take the

882
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:56,919
Speaker 1: same approach. Uh, yeah, I'm not. I'm not joking. There's

883
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: Zack um about that talked about that. I'm the same

884
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 1: exact Zack's answer there is my answer. I mean, I've

885
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: I've gone to places and a good lesson there like

886
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 1: with what he said is without saying it was, you

887
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: can't fall in love with the idea of a spot.

888
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 1: And you see people do this a lot when they're like,

889
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 1: I'm going, you know, I'm going to hunt public land

890
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 1: in this state and it's gonna be awesome. And that's

891
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: the that's the spot. Like they take this w m

892
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: A or they take something, they go, you know, I

893
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: got all my way points here, I got I got

894
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,239
Speaker 1: all my research, you know, dedicated to one area. Then

895
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: you show up and there's people everywhere, or it just

896
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: it doesn't play out the way you hope. And if

897
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: you don't have that backup, you're gonna ride out a

898
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,759
Speaker 1: dead program. And so I do the same thing. I mean,

899
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: I've had times where, you know, I went down to

900
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: Oklahoma one time to hunt a property that was big,

901
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: and I was like, this thing is gonna be unreal.

902
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 1: And my buddy and I got down there and after

903
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 1: two and a half day, as I was like, this

904
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: is terrible. There's people everywhere and we can barely see

905
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 1: a deer. But we had backup spots. We drove four

906
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: hours to a different area of the state and had

907
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: an awesome hunt. And so I think, I think, if

908
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: you're gonna do this, you just have to have like

909
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 1: Zach said, like, what's your plan, b what's your plans? See?

910
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: And you know, are you, like, are you of the

911
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,600
Speaker 1: mindset where you can just go this is not what

912
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: I want out of this hunt. I need to go

913
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 1: find something different, And can you pull up camp and

914
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: go do it or you're gonna kind of default and say, well,

915
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: maybe maybe something will show up. I mean, I'm a

916
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: mover man. I don't like I don't like not enjoying

917
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: my hunting. And if I'm in a position where I

918
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: have no faith in my spot anymore, I don't enjoy it.

919
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 1: And so it's like it's worth it to burn a

920
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 1: half a day or a day to go, you know,

921
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: drive somewhere new, pull up camp, scout somewhere new, and

922
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: just try to get that reset moment where you can

923
00:49:56,440 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: start enjoying it and get in the game again. No. Yeah,

924
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: that's that's huge. I mean with Turkey, we do it

925
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 1: so easily that it's like I don't know, I didn't

926
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's like almost like old news at this point,

927
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,400
Speaker 1: Like we pull into a place and there's people and

928
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: like Turkey is a really easy one. There's a lot

929
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 1: of a lot of the situation you just described marks

930
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,279
Speaker 1: of like you know, people doing the same thing, and

931
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: it's like if that's the case, I'm just leaving, like

932
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: no questions asked, like not spending any amount of time

933
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 1: on it, even if there is a bunch of turkeys.

934
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I hunted a place in West Virginia one time,

935
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:37,279
Speaker 1: but it was like, I mean, it was comical how

936
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: many hunters were there. Now I was also on the

937
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: flip side, the amount of turkeys was easily the most

938
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,799
Speaker 1: turkeys that I've heard gobbling in one spot in the

939
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 1: whole season. But it was like we spent one day

940
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: doing it, and Ben and I and my buddies and

941
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:56,120
Speaker 1: Collins who a hunt at the time, We're like, never again,

942
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: make at least at this point the excuson Like so

943
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: first of all, you could see in West Virginia never

944
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: hunting the spot again, Like, no way, it doesn't matter.

945
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: I'd rather hunt a place with like, you know, a

946
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: tenth of the birds, with the not seeing anybody, versus

947
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: hunt this place where there's like, you know, four on

948
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: a tiny little ridge, but you know also five guys

949
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: going in after him. It's just it gets to a

950
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: point where like, to me, that's not that's not the

951
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: experience that I want to get out of. Funting is

952
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: like I don't feel like I want to have action.

953
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: It's like, super consistently, I'd rather just have, you know,

954
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,239
Speaker 1: an adventure. I love being on an adventure and being

955
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: a new stuff. So you know, it quickly gets to

956
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: that point for me and I guess, yeah, uh, you

957
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,720
Speaker 1: want to throw up another situation, Tony. Sure. So Zach,

958
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 1: you're you know, you've got this reputation as a guy

959
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: who you stalk a lot of deer, but it's kind

960
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 1: of a You've kind of got this style that's sort

961
00:51:56,800 --> 00:51:59,760
Speaker 1: of a mix of spot and stock and still hunting

962
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: and even posting up on the ground. It's kind of

963
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,640
Speaker 1: this diverse ground game approach. And so we know that's

964
00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 1: what you like to do, that's what you're kind of

965
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: weird for. So let's say you're hunting Midwestern the East,

966
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:17,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Not not a crazy it's not Iowa white tails,

967
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 1: it's it's just a decent Midwestern or eastern state. You're

968
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: in a big chunk of public that's mostly deciduous forest.

969
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 1: It's October, a lot of the leaves are down, it's

970
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: been dry for three weeks. It's super crunchy out there,

971
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: and you've got, you know, your cameraman behind you. And

972
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,880
Speaker 1: every step he takes like a it's like stepping on

973
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 1: potato chips. Do you do you ever hit a point

974
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: when the conditions, you know, and let's say it's pretty

975
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,800
Speaker 1: calm too, because it's warm, You ever hit a point

976
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: like that where you're like, man, my preferred approach of

977
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: slipping around and seeing if we can get eyes on

978
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: one and crawling in just feels it feels like that's

979
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 1: not gonna happen. Do you do you kind of default

980
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: back to the saddles then, or do you just try

981
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to keep riding that program? Um?

982
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: I just keep riding that program. But it definitely looks different.

983
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: Like the situation you described is exactly what happened to

984
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,319
Speaker 1: me last year in both hunting in Ohio. Um, it

985
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 1: was November. It was in October, but the leaves were down,

986
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:21,760
Speaker 1: and like every time he stepped as like a bomb

987
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: going off. It brutal and it was it was like

988
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,719
Speaker 1: early November was like seventy degrees every day for the

989
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,799
Speaker 1: whole entire like whatever seven that I think it was

990
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: seven days I was there. Yeah, brutal, man, Like I

991
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: didn't so loud, so hot, um so dry, but I

992
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: mean I can. I can just give you like kind

993
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: of that that experience, and it's the same thing I

994
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: would do. UM. It's basically the same exactly um situation

995
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: you just described. It's like what I'm doing then, is

996
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm not picking a spot even until i feel like

997
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: there's a good enough sign. So I'm still cruising around

998
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 1: moving um. But I'm just picking the easy, the quietest route.

999
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: So like I love to move because I'm too like

1000
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,839
Speaker 1: anxious to just sit for too long. I just kick

1001
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 1: myself if I sit for too long, but I want

1002
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: to But I will sit if I feel confident in

1003
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: the location, but I have to see the sign first.

1004
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: So for example, if I'm in like that situation that

1005
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: you talked about, I'm gonna try to find a route

1006
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: because there's always a route. You know. It may not

1007
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 1: be exactly where I'm gonna be still hunting along and

1008
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 1: kill a deer, but it's just a route that I

1009
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: can travel and learn about that area. So for example,

1010
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: maybe it's a ridge top. A lot of times there's

1011
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 1: a trail on a ridge top, and maybe like a

1012
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 1: old two track or something. You know that maybe the

1013
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:54,239
Speaker 1: quieter option versus being down on the bench below where

1014
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 1: I actually think the deer are gonna be bedded. UM.

1015
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: But I can slowly move through that chain, just the

1016
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: pace of it a little bit and just read that sign.

1017
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,439
Speaker 1: Then that's going to give me the confidence to move

1018
00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 1: in tighter and get set up and actually find a

1019
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: ground set up. UM. Another like location or route that

1020
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 1: I like to take this creek bottoms, Like I'll just

1021
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: get straight if it's hot and dry, take my shoes off,

1022
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: and just straight up walk down the creek. Um. That's

1023
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: an option walking right on the inside bank of a creek,

1024
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, where there's just mud and you don't have

1025
00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: to be on those dry leads. But again, that's just

1026
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: trying to give me an idea of a spot, like

1027
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 1: finding a spot that I feel really confident in setting

1028
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 1: up in UM, and then I still just set up

1029
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: on the ground. And you know, for me, it's just

1030
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: like I don't I keep trying to minimize what I

1031
00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:49,720
Speaker 1: take to the woods, Like I just don't like carrying stuff,

1032
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: and like, you know, the other alternative to that is,

1033
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: you know, prep stuff prior. But you know, hunting public land,

1034
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 1: you know there's not a whole lot of prep work

1035
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: you can do. UM. You know, you can't really put

1036
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,439
Speaker 1: stands up and leave them, I mean without the risk

1037
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: and them getting going. And I'm not in a place

1038
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: really long enough to do that anyway. So it's like

1039
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:12,320
Speaker 1: I just don't like carrying stuff, Like even as easy

1040
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: as the saddle is to carry, like it just would

1041
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: prefer to not do it because I like to go

1042
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,840
Speaker 1: out all day. I like to carry a ton of water.

1043
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: You know, I'm carrying him three to five liters of

1044
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: water a day, depending on the temperature. You know, those

1045
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 1: days when it was November seventy degrees, like we had

1046
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: to bring five liters of water between like like cooking

1047
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: up a little freeze dried meal or something, or just

1048
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: drinking in general. Like you get to a point where

1049
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,920
Speaker 1: like you need that water, So I don't want to

1050
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: sacrifice that to bring gear. Um, So I still want

1051
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,560
Speaker 1: to set up on the ground, and like the more

1052
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: I do it, the more I'm just like I really

1053
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: don't need a tree set up. I mean, there's really

1054
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 1: not many situations where I'm like I can't figure this out.

1055
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: You learn how be You're see and react two different

1056
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,840
Speaker 1: setups than us, and it's like you just know what

1057
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna get away with and where you're not going to. Yeah,

1058
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 1: there's some risk involved. Yeah there's you know, windows where

1059
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: the setup isn't great. The deer kind of have to

1060
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: come through here. But you know, I'm willing to try

1061
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: it versus I just don't like bringing stuff in. I

1062
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: don't like climbing up. I think that climbing up gives

1063
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 1: you away a lot too. Where do your hear you

1064
00:57:23,040 --> 00:57:26,480
Speaker 1: or see you climbing a tree, like maybe are like

1065
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards? Like what does that do sit

1066
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,840
Speaker 1: doing climbing that tree? Like I can hear him playing

1067
00:57:30,840 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: a day, you know, and I guess I don't want to.

1068
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to do that, So therefore I don't

1069
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 1: do it. I just keep playing the ground game, and

1070
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: then I just commit to setting up a little bit more.

1071
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 1: I find those routes where I can still hunt and scout.

1072
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be right through the heart of it,

1073
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: but it may be like if I think, for example,

1074
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: there's a valley, but there's a valley, and there's a

1075
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: bunch of finger bridges that are falling into that valley.

1076
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: I may walk that valley and try to find where

1077
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: the highest doneity of crossing trails is if I find

1078
00:58:02,920 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: that X, then I can say, Okay, I want to

1079
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: set up in here, I want to set up close

1080
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,000
Speaker 1: to here, and I'll just commit like to getting in

1081
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: there really early in the morning and the dark, when

1082
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: you know I'm not expecting as many dear to be

1083
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: in the bedding area for example. So um yeah, I

1084
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 1: guess that's how I would approach it. And another thing

1085
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: is too, seriously, if it's wet and dry, I shift

1086
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 1: to like setting up close to water um a lot

1087
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: more too. It's just because I kind of have a

1088
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: lightbulb moment last year when in that situation where I

1089
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 1: was hunting um really dry stuff stephany trees sept in

1090
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: this my great funnel, and it just made sense for

1091
00:58:44,760 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: dear to be crossing there. Go from you know, a

1092
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,880
Speaker 1: number of betting ridges across this ridge that was kind

1093
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 1: of in between more bedding ridges, and that could just

1094
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: run up and over the saddle. There was tons of

1095
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: um scarlet oak acorns of the dry often. But we

1096
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: were way up at the tip top and I'm sitting

1097
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: there and I'm literally myself I'm drying out, man, like

1098
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: I'm hot. Just it is uncomfortable and I'm like, why

1099
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 1: would a deer, ever in the right mind, be spending

1100
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 1: any amount of time up here, Like down there low

1101
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: they can for one, get shade and two they can

1102
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: get water in three it's been so dry that up

1103
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: here everything's so dried out that there's not a whole

1104
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: lot of diversity as far as you know, vegetation goes

1105
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 1: definitely not as much as there is down that bottom.

1106
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: And man, we moved down that bottom in within an hour.

1107
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: We had a monster come into five yards and didn't

1108
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,280
Speaker 1: get a shot, and he I guess he got close

1109
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: enough to be caught with of us and then looked

1110
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,400
Speaker 1: at us and it was too late, but like he

1111
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,560
Speaker 1: just kind of caught us off guard. But being in

1112
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 1: that being down in that position, we were in the

1113
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: game just by taking advantage of those conditions, And um,

1114
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: you know, to be honest, I just don't. I don't

1115
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: think that I would ever change enough. And I'm stubborn

1116
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: in that way too. I mean, I definitely am. It's

1117
01:00:04,680 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: like I love when people say, you know what, man,

1118
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: you couldn't do that in this situation. It's like he could.

1119
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:12,320
Speaker 1: It doesn't like why does it have to be that way?

1120
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 1: Like why do people say it has to be you

1121
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 1: have to do it my way. Like if I want

1122
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: to do something different, I'll just keep trying and like

1123
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: I'll just keep adjusting and yeah, I'm gonna fail. But

1124
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 1: that's part of the fun if time thing is to me,

1125
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: it's like the failure that's what keeps me coming back.

1126
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: I do you know every situation it's just like I'm

1127
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,120
Speaker 1: just slaughtering dear. It's like it would not be that fun.

1128
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: I love like failure and just like that chet. You know,

1129
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, maybe I don't know what I'm doing

1130
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: in this situation, and that's cool. How do I learn?

1131
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: I want to learn? Yeah, I guess can I keep

1132
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: going down this road? Mark it? So I love that

1133
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,240
Speaker 1: you just said that right there about people saying there's yeah,

1134
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 1: you know that might work an eye, Well, but it's

1135
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: not gonna work here. I think one of the things

1136
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 1: that I mean, but you hear it every where. We

1137
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: had we all our deer hunting difficulty biases, like our

1138
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,439
Speaker 1: bias toward our dogs. Right, everybody has the best dog,

1139
01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: Like you talked to somebody who owns the lab. It's

1140
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: the best dog ever. And the last dog was the

1141
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 1: best dog it always right. And then the best point, dude,

1142
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 1: you always have. The best point is this is great. Well,

1143
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: but you brought it up. It reminded me that when

1144
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: I started, you know, I had all these preconceived notions

1145
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 1: growing up in Minnesota hunting the way I did, and

1146
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: then starting to expand and go to these other states

1147
01:01:32,040 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: and hunt public land. What I realized is everybody has

1148
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: a local bias that they're hunting the most difficult deer.

1149
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: And it kind of ties into what you said earlier

1150
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: when you were like, you know, people are pretty consistent

1151
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: across the board, or at least regionally where they hunt

1152
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 1: a certain way, and you can kind of you know,

1153
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: some some places you can pull up your you know,

1154
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: on X and you can call your shots and say,

1155
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,680
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a tree stand there, a tree stand there,

1156
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: a tree stand there, And people are insanely consistent and

1157
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: that it and and you know, habituated to their circumstances.

1158
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: But that works against them, just like believing that you

1159
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: have the hardest deer possible. It gives you an out

1160
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 1: or you know, if you think, well, yeah, you know,

1161
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,280
Speaker 1: those Iowa hunters they have it easy. And I live

1162
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: in X state and I have it hard well that

1163
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: that may be true, but it doesn't do any good

1164
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: to focus on that. Like you still you're still hunting

1165
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: rabbits with antlers, and you can kill them in a

1166
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: shipload of different ways. Like you just gotta get out

1167
01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: of your own way and just go, okay, well, yeah,

1168
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: you know, maybe I'm not as lucky as somebody who

1169
01:02:32,200 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: owns a thousand acres in southern Iowa, but I have

1170
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,480
Speaker 1: this national forest to hunt. There's deer in there they're killable,

1171
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,120
Speaker 1: or I have this you know, grandpa's farm or whatever,

1172
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: and I think so much of that mentality like that

1173
01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: just works against us so much. Yeah, yeah, I agree.

1174
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: It's it's really interesting to like, you know, it's the

1175
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,880
Speaker 1: out thing is so true. It's just like, well but

1176
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: here we are in this place and it's not this place,

1177
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: and it's like, yeah, it's not. But like there's always

1178
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: a local that's kicking ass out there, like you know,

1179
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: like there's always a local that's doing really well because

1180
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 1: like they found a style that works for them, or

1181
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 1: they just recognize what their situation is and they you know,

1182
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,640
Speaker 1: they take advantage of it, like they learn, they learn

1183
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: what the deer doing. They learn what the hunters are

1184
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: doing and then they you know, take advantage of those

1185
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: things that they've learned, like you gotta go out and fail.

1186
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: And I just think that that's I don't know, it's

1187
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: it's something that we don't want failure, right, like as

1188
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: hunters there are just humans in general, like we don't

1189
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 1: want to show that we've failed. And that's while while

1190
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,960
Speaker 1: that is true, you have I think I do believe

1191
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: that it's healthy to show or you know, admit that

1192
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,439
Speaker 1: you're failing and say, hey, why am I failing? Want

1193
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:55,280
Speaker 1: if you are failing, why and then what can I

1194
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: do to change that? And you know, you hear it

1195
01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:01,080
Speaker 1: all the time, and I mean it's kind of cliche

1196
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 1: almost at this point. It's like, you know, with the

1197
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: rise of social media and hunters, you know, sharing pictures

1198
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: of big bucks, other hunters feel discouraged when you know,

1199
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,680
Speaker 1: it's like it really is becoming a cliche things like

1200
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 1: you've read that article before, you've heard that podcast. Whatever.

1201
01:04:17,840 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: It's like, but I guess it's just who gives a ship?

1202
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: Like who cares? Why do you worry about failing? Because

1203
01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: like nine times out of ten or way more probably

1204
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: you don't kill a deer, you know, you there might be,

1205
01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,680
Speaker 1: there might be, you know, it might be every third

1206
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: time you even have a deer in range. So it's

1207
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: like it doesn't matter. And why compare yourself to other hunters,

1208
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: because there's no more true things than hunting than this.

1209
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: Everybody's hunting situation and goals are different, period. Like what

1210
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: I think is, you know what I what is a

1211
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: goal to me is not a goal to you guys. Necessarily,

1212
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 1: Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, But like who cares

1213
01:05:02,520 --> 01:05:05,520
Speaker 1: to me? When I go hunting? It's me versus like

1214
01:05:05,720 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: the woods and the deer. I'm just going out to

1215
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:13,760
Speaker 1: be competing against them like they are living in their world.

1216
01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be a predator in their world and

1217
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,920
Speaker 1: I'm trying to go in and trip them, you know.

1218
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,240
Speaker 1: And I just think it's like why why care? Why compare?

1219
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:25,560
Speaker 1: You know, because again, if you start, and it's so

1220
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: it's so crazy, have the like routes to comparing, you

1221
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: can go like if you're sitting comparing your Antler score.

1222
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: That's why I think score is so ridiculous. It's like

1223
01:05:38,120 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 1: your Antler score if you live in you know, uh,

1224
01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: the Southeast for example, like if you live in North

1225
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: Florida and you're comparing score to what guys are shooting

1226
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,960
Speaker 1: even in Tennessee, like you're probably gonna get discouraged. And

1227
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 1: then the guy that's comparing his score in Tennessee to

1228
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,200
Speaker 1: the guys in I or Kansas, he's probably going to

1229
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: be disappointed. Go out that goals for yourself that you

1230
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,320
Speaker 1: feel are realistic, and just go have fun because like

1231
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 1: it's no competition and it just is, like I don't know,

1232
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,800
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating to think that it is a competition,

1233
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,120
Speaker 1: like you know, and it doesn't matter what anybody who

1234
01:06:18,120 --> 01:06:21,720
Speaker 1: else's goals are. Make your own, have fun like it's

1235
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: a it's a sport that is meant to be just

1236
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 1: like fun. Yeah, and it's an individual pursuit. Yeah, Mark,

1237
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 1: can I keep going? I gotta keep going on this right, No,

1238
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:39,680
Speaker 1: you're fired too much. I'm down, I'm having I'm having

1239
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: a blast, So let's keep doing. I want to talk

1240
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 1: about failure because you know, you brought it up. And

1241
01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: I always use the example of like an over the

1242
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,640
Speaker 1: counter l hunt in Colorado, which is you know, everybody's

1243
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,440
Speaker 1: default ELK hunt, Like if you you know, whether we

1244
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: love failure, hated or indifferent, whatever how you feel about it.

1245
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,240
Speaker 1: If you say I'm going to go do that hunt,

1246
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: you're saying I'm as with certainty you're going to fail

1247
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:04,440
Speaker 1: as far as killing an elk, But that's that's not

1248
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 1: why you're going. You're going to elk hunt and have

1249
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 1: the experience. Like we have a harder time with white

1250
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: tails in that same like getting that mindset right with

1251
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: white tails. It's like so so important to kill and

1252
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,160
Speaker 1: and we're like a verse to this failure, but it's

1253
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,000
Speaker 1: such a integral part of it, like it's it's coming

1254
01:07:24,080 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: no matter what. And so like that example you gave

1255
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 1: Zach of you know, when it was super hot and

1256
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,600
Speaker 1: you're sitting there on top and you're going, why would

1257
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 1: a deer be here? Like you're you're hunting a place

1258
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be hunting or a spot, And dude, I

1259
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 1: had an exact same light bulb moment, probably like five

1260
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: or six years ago in Nebraska, same kind of deal

1261
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,479
Speaker 1: with like seventy five degrees. I'm sitting on this top

1262
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: in this public land that I've killed big Bucks in

1263
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing nothing and I was just sitting there

1264
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:52,480
Speaker 1: sweating my ass off, and I'm going, why would a

1265
01:07:52,520 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: dear be here? Like they're not here obviously, like I'm

1266
01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:57,520
Speaker 1: not seeing them, they're not coming through here. And I've

1267
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:01,360
Speaker 1: got this stream in the valley below oh me with

1268
01:08:01,400 --> 01:08:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, all these nice conifers along it in this

1269
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: good cover, and I'm like, what, why are you sitting

1270
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: up here failing at this when you know like you'd

1271
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:12,840
Speaker 1: feel better down there that's probably where they are. And

1272
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 1: I did the same thing. I went down there and

1273
01:08:14,320 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: I killed a buck. I didn't even have like my

1274
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: shirt on. I was wearing a T shirt and hung

1275
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,360
Speaker 1: a stand and he came in right along the crew.

1276
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like over and I hadn't hardly

1277
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:25,680
Speaker 1: seen it here in two days hunting us out, And

1278
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: it's like one of those moments where like, yeah, that's

1279
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,000
Speaker 1: awesome because the success came, But really the important part

1280
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: was like questioning why you're failing so bad? Like why

1281
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 1: why are you sitting here wasting your time doing something

1282
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,519
Speaker 1: that you know? Like if you start to question it

1283
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: and go, why is this not fun? Why is this

1284
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: not working out? You're gonna make different decisions and probably

1285
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:47,000
Speaker 1: move in that right direction. But it's it's like a

1286
01:08:47,080 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 1: hard thing to overcome sometimes in those little epiphanies though,

1287
01:08:50,760 --> 01:08:54,719
Speaker 1: are what are so fun? If you did? Yeah, that's

1288
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,840
Speaker 1: that's it. It's the journey, the process having these little

1289
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:02,600
Speaker 1: aha moments as soon as you start learn to appreciate

1290
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: that and realize that that's really the thing we're chasing

1291
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: here in a lot of ways, Uh, that's that's the ticket.

1292
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 1: Definitely agree with that as well. I Mean it's like

1293
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:14,240
Speaker 1: we all want when we go hunting, we all want

1294
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,720
Speaker 1: like a certain thing to happen, Like that's the the

1295
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:21,120
Speaker 1: goal is like I want this here to walk down

1296
01:09:21,160 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 1: this trail in front of my set up, or I

1297
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 1: want to find a bedded buck or whatever. And it's

1298
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: like when all of a sudden it does happen exactly

1299
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: what you want to have happened. That's when you feel

1300
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,800
Speaker 1: like on cloud nine and you're like, man, I knew

1301
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 1: exactly what was going to happen in this situation. And

1302
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,719
Speaker 1: then like most times though, you don't, you know, and

1303
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: you just gotta keep chipping away at it. It's like, yeah,

1304
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:49,679
Speaker 1: I mean you're gonna like hunting is like lower odds

1305
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 1: and you're you know, gonna batting average. You know, you

1306
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 1: think of a good batting average being over or whatever.

1307
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 1: It's like you're hunting at batting averages not through over

1308
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:08,040
Speaker 1: three hundred like it my mind, isn't you more times?

1309
01:10:08,040 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: Are you gonna fail? So it's just I guess it's

1310
01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: just one of those things that you embrace it. You're

1311
01:10:13,800 --> 01:10:17,000
Speaker 1: gonna have a lot better time. And then the other

1312
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 1: thing is like what is failure? You know? Because I

1313
01:10:23,360 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 1: always say I'd rather I'd rather be around I guess.

1314
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 1: Let's put it this way. There's a lot of hunters

1315
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 1: that have found like what works, and they just keep

1316
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:41,439
Speaker 1: doing the same exact thing. And those people start to

1317
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,400
Speaker 1: get to a point where it's like I'm not as

1318
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: interested in what they're doing because for their situation, I've

1319
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:50,680
Speaker 1: learned or they've they figured that out and they just

1320
01:10:50,760 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: keep doing it. I'm almost, well, I'm not almost. I

1321
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 1: enjoy having a conversation with people, like I love talking

1322
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: to a guy that's only hunted a few years or

1323
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:06,840
Speaker 1: you know, just less than me in general. But it's

1324
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: just like super curious, like they're they're asking questions or

1325
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:13,040
Speaker 1: like what type of tree is this? You know what,

1326
01:11:13,720 --> 01:11:15,599
Speaker 1: you know, what would you do right here? Right whatever?

1327
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,679
Speaker 1: Like asking a bunch of questions. Just you can tell

1328
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: they just care about it and they're thinking about it

1329
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: a lot, and like, if you're doing that, in my opinion,

1330
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,240
Speaker 1: you don't you're not failing ever, you know, if you're

1331
01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 1: always asking yourself like why didn't that work? You know what,

1332
01:11:31,479 --> 01:11:33,519
Speaker 1: I can't really figure out why that deer did that,

1333
01:11:33,560 --> 01:11:35,439
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking about it a lot. What do you think?

1334
01:11:35,479 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 1: You know, they want to have those conversations. They want

1335
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:44,280
Speaker 1: to dive into like just deep thought about the situation.

1336
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: And then how do you ever fail? Because you're just

1337
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 1: trying to learn? And I think, you know, I think

1338
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:51,759
Speaker 1: if you're trying to learn, you're never failing and hunting

1339
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:55,960
Speaker 1: because it's just you know, you can just being curious

1340
01:11:55,960 --> 01:11:58,799
Speaker 1: about it. Man. I think it's huge and just caring.

1341
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: Because if you say I didn't get one to fail

1342
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: and then you give up, it's just like it's just

1343
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,680
Speaker 1: like if you were if that guy was on your

1344
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:11,360
Speaker 1: football team, Like you don't like that guy, right, It's

1345
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: like if you lose the game here and and that

1346
01:12:13,680 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: guy is like, oh man, we lost, you touched his

1347
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: tail us put his head down. It's like, hey man,

1348
01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,080
Speaker 1: we gotta get back to work. Like we gotta get

1349
01:12:21,080 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 1: back in and you know, we gotta this week in practice,

1350
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: we gotta like really focus on the things that we

1351
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: did wrong, and then we gotta get better, you know.

1352
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: And I think that you know that, I just I

1353
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 1: find myself relating sports to hunting a lot these days. Honestly,

1354
01:12:37,880 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 1: it's just you know, having having a positive mentality in it,

1355
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, just keep continuing to improve. It is important.

1356
01:12:45,960 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: I think the two or two of the most important

1357
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 1: questions that should like always be on the tip of

1358
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: your tongue during hunting season is remember, one, why when

1359
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:58,160
Speaker 1: something happens, asking yourself, like we're talking like why did

1360
01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,760
Speaker 1: this happen? Why isn't this working? Or even why it

1361
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: does this work? And the second question is what now?

1362
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,679
Speaker 1: If you can if you're always asking yourself those questions,

1363
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,479
Speaker 1: why did this happen? Or why did that deer do that?

1364
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: Or why did this not work? And then what now? Okay,

1365
01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,759
Speaker 1: how do I deal with that situation? Rather than tucking

1366
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,800
Speaker 1: your tail, rather than giving up or saying what was me?

1367
01:13:15,840 --> 01:13:18,160
Speaker 1: It's like that thing happened or I learned this thing

1368
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 1: or observe this thing. What now? How do you move forward?

1369
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: Like those two things. Constantly ask yourself those two things

1370
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: and keep moving forward and enjoy it. That's that's it.

1371
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:32,280
Speaker 1: I think the thing to add to that too is

1372
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: just like really nail that like really pounds of mistakes

1373
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:41,839
Speaker 1: into your head, like how like don't forget that thing again.

1374
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 1: You know, if you make a mistake, try not to

1375
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:46,880
Speaker 1: make it again, like I can. I'll use an example

1376
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: from last year, is like the most bonehead mistake that

1377
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: haunts me and we'll probably haunt me for a long time,

1378
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: is I was? It was? It was that time of

1379
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:01,320
Speaker 1: the year, November, Ohio Hot dry found a really good

1380
01:14:01,320 --> 01:14:03,920
Speaker 1: funnel had set up close to it, knew there was

1381
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: probably a hot day in the area that they stop

1382
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:11,080
Speaker 1: the day prior. Um we're basically set up right in

1383
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,240
Speaker 1: the perfect spot where was gonna pinch deer down to

1384
01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 1: inside of twenty yards and hilly terrain, which isn't always

1385
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: always an easy thing to find, but we felt good

1386
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 1: that we were in the right spot. Look down about

1387
01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: nine o'clock and only deer we had seen all morning

1388
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:29,160
Speaker 1: Shooter buck cruising. It was one of the bucks that

1389
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 1: we've seen the day before. He's cruising down below us.

1390
01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:34,599
Speaker 1: Um on the bench and I don't know, a hundred

1391
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: twenty yards down the hill. And you know, I love

1392
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:42,320
Speaker 1: talking about the little things, you know, the little things

1393
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:46,880
Speaker 1: that we we do that can cost us an opportunity

1394
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 1: or um whatever, you know, it can we can blow

1395
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: the deer before we get a shot, or make us

1396
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 1: miss or whatever. And one of the things that I

1397
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:01,599
Speaker 1: always try to make right do well is be ready,

1398
01:15:01,720 --> 01:15:04,599
Speaker 1: you know, just like always being ready. And this deer

1399
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 1: went down below us and he just got outside. We

1400
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:11,759
Speaker 1: tried grunting to him. He didn't make any he didn't

1401
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:14,719
Speaker 1: have any reaction to it at all. And I looked

1402
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 1: at Keith, who I was hunting with him. Should we

1403
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 1: just try to rattle, like you know, I don't, I

1404
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: don't really want that was like the last resort, because

1405
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,200
Speaker 1: it's like in a different situation, we just try to

1406
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: cut him off and try to get a different angle

1407
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: on him. But we couldn't move because we had too

1408
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:35,360
Speaker 1: much crunchy. Um. It was just the conditions were too crunchy,

1409
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,640
Speaker 1: too calm, that we didn't feel like we could ever

1410
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:39,719
Speaker 1: you know, fool him. As fast as he was moving,

1411
01:15:39,760 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 1: we were never gonna be able to get in front

1412
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:45,120
Speaker 1: of him quiet enough without spooking him. So the last

1413
01:15:45,120 --> 01:15:47,719
Speaker 1: resort was, well, we'll rattle and make a bunch of noise.

1414
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,160
Speaker 1: But when I rattled and made a bunch of noise,

1415
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: I it worked great. Keith and I were both banging

1416
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: about just like thrashing in the leaves, rattling, and the

1417
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:02,559
Speaker 1: deer was on us before I was even done rattling,

1418
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 1: Like I was just setting the antlers down, and he's

1419
01:16:05,400 --> 01:16:08,360
Speaker 1: a fifteen yards coming fast, and he's coming, I mean

1420
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: right at us. And the mistake that I made was

1421
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,920
Speaker 1: is there two mistakes really breaking down the situation is

1422
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,960
Speaker 1: I should have stopped midway through the rattling sequence to

1423
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 1: listen to see if I can hear him, because again

1424
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: the crunchy conditions, that was an advantage that we had

1425
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 1: that we could hear a ton. So I didn't do that.

1426
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,559
Speaker 1: But then on top of that is I had turned

1427
01:16:32,040 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: to face where the deer was, but in my setup,

1428
01:16:35,600 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 1: I had been facing the other way when we were

1429
01:16:38,120 --> 01:16:40,879
Speaker 1: just sitting there, you know, looking for deer and waiting,

1430
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 1: and my bow was on the other side of me,

1431
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 1: and the deer ran up to like literally six yards

1432
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,800
Speaker 1: and before he knew anything was up, and I ruined it.

1433
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,519
Speaker 1: Because I wasn't ready, And I mean it would have

1434
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:55,920
Speaker 1: been the most chip shot of all times. The thing

1435
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:59,160
Speaker 1: was at point blank and I wasn't ready, and I

1436
01:16:59,160 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: didn't have my bone front of me. Like again, I

1437
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: kicked myself. I think about it all the time. Sometimes

1438
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:07,360
Speaker 1: I wake up in a cold sweat because I've been

1439
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:10,640
Speaker 1: having a nightmare about it. I'm just kidding, but I

1440
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: think about that all the time. But like, the worst

1441
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: thing I could do now is make that same exact

1442
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: mistake in the future. Now, it's just like focusing on

1443
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:24,960
Speaker 1: that little thing and just being like, you know, sometimes

1444
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 1: it seems, uh, it seems like the most basic lesson ever,

1445
01:17:29,479 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: but like to make sure your bows in front of you,

1446
01:17:31,680 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: make sure you've got an arrow knock, make sure you're ready,

1447
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: make sure you're ready, you know. And I just pound

1448
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: that into my brain for the future to hopefully never

1449
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:43,200
Speaker 1: make that mistake again. And you know, it's like I

1450
01:17:43,240 --> 01:17:45,719
Speaker 1: could power out about it, and you know, I definitely

1451
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: do sometimes in my own head. For sure, it's like, damn,

1452
01:17:48,760 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: I wish I wouldn't have done that, But hey, you

1453
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,519
Speaker 1: gotta just cut your loss and say next time, I'm

1454
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 1: gonna do better. And the chances are that I'm gonna

1455
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:58,880
Speaker 1: be in a similar situation to that again, And it's

1456
01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:01,040
Speaker 1: kindly not gonna list exact play the same. I mean,

1457
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 1: chances are I'm not gonna be in that same again,

1458
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: that same exact log I'm that same exact for it

1459
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,880
Speaker 1: rattle into a buck with those same exact conditions, but

1460
01:18:09,439 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: I'll be in something similar, And just learning from that

1461
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,320
Speaker 1: mistake is like, to me, that's what makes to me,

1462
01:18:15,400 --> 01:18:21,160
Speaker 1: that is what makes somebody really a a good hunter.

1463
01:18:21,200 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what you're shooting. It's just like, can

1464
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:27,560
Speaker 1: you look at your mistakes and say, hey, this is

1465
01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: what I did wrong, here's what I'm gonna change in

1466
01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: the future, cut my losses and move on. Yeah. Well,

1467
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,280
Speaker 1: and you know what's really important about that lesson too,

1468
01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 1: is you know you talk about that buck come into

1469
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:40,479
Speaker 1: six yards and how easy the shot would have been

1470
01:18:40,479 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 1: if you'd have been ready, But everybody who bow hunts

1471
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:47,120
Speaker 1: gets surprised by them, and that's when bad shots happen.

1472
01:18:47,479 --> 01:18:49,280
Speaker 1: So you you didn't have the chance to get off

1473
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 1: a shot there. But you know, every bow hunter with

1474
01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: a couple of seasons under his or her belt has

1475
01:18:53,479 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 1: been out there. You know, in quiet conditions or just

1476
01:18:56,439 --> 01:18:58,960
Speaker 1: not paying attention. You know, just got set up and

1477
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: then looked in that bucks walking through and it's a

1478
01:19:01,600 --> 01:19:04,360
Speaker 1: mad scramble, and that's when the panic sets in. And

1479
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:07,160
Speaker 1: that's when gut shots happened. That's when mrs happened, and

1480
01:19:07,160 --> 01:19:09,880
Speaker 1: that's when you just fall apart, you know. So so,

1481
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 1: like you said, paying attention, if you get that you know,

1482
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:15,760
Speaker 1: ten second lead time, or you see that movement in

1483
01:19:15,800 --> 01:19:19,000
Speaker 1: the brush fifty yards away versus fifteen, you've got a

1484
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,240
Speaker 1: lot better chance of making a good shot because you

1485
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: have a chance to get your ship together versus just

1486
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: all of a sudden having that Chinese fire drill and

1487
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: being in real trouble. Yeah, and where what I you know,

1488
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: looking back on that situation, what I would change exactly

1489
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:37,559
Speaker 1: is is I would just not turned towards the deer

1490
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:42,679
Speaker 1: while rattling. I would have just stayed quartered towards my bow,

1491
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:46,559
Speaker 1: rattled with my you know, my knees still facing my bow,

1492
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: twisted to the left and made the noise so that

1493
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: paused mid rattle, heard him coming drop. The antlers grabbed

1494
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 1: my bow and then just you know, I read antlers

1495
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: a lot on the ground, Like I it low enough

1496
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: and I practice draw where I can stay low and

1497
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, knowing that the deer can't see me just

1498
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: based off what his you know, I'm low enough that

1499
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:13,360
Speaker 1: I can only see his antler tips and I'm just

1500
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,879
Speaker 1: reading that how to drawn low and then just slowly

1501
01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,360
Speaker 1: rose up and he you know, chances are high that

1502
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:21,839
Speaker 1: about it. Done all those things a little bit different,

1503
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:25,920
Speaker 1: it would have been money. But like, had you know,

1504
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 1: had I been in that same situation, let's say um

1505
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:32,800
Speaker 1: turned the wrong way rattling. Even if I do pause

1506
01:20:32,840 --> 01:20:35,639
Speaker 1: and here I'm coming, I'm in that situation like you said,

1507
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:37,840
Speaker 1: where I'm scrambling. I gotta turn back around, I gotta

1508
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,600
Speaker 1: grab my bow, I gotta get ready. And at that

1509
01:20:39,640 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: point maybe he's he's too close, and you know, and

1510
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,799
Speaker 1: they gets it gets sloppy. But like just in general,

1511
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,400
Speaker 1: I look back and then what the hell was I doing?

1512
01:20:48,439 --> 01:20:51,439
Speaker 1: I mean, just so spy, like just just not good.

1513
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 1: But hey, you know, sitting complain about it or thought

1514
01:20:55,120 --> 01:20:57,960
Speaker 1: about it, but the reality is next time, I guess

1515
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:00,080
Speaker 1: I just gotta try to do better. They get and

1516
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,439
Speaker 1: or you know, make sure you're doing a little thing.

1517
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:17,120
Speaker 1: What about a slight variation on that situation that I

1518
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,720
Speaker 1: imagine has happened to you. I know stuffitely this is

1519
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 1: similar to this has happened to you. But I think

1520
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: a lot of other people, if they're trying this kind

1521
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:26,400
Speaker 1: of thing, would happen too. Whether you're sitting in a

1522
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,600
Speaker 1: place like you were, kind of waiting or stalking it

1523
01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:34,000
Speaker 1: on a spot and you get pegged by a buck

1524
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,360
Speaker 1: that you were either moving in on or he moved

1525
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 1: in on you. He's right at the edge of your range.

1526
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:41,439
Speaker 1: Let's say so he's not a chip shop, but he

1527
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:46,120
Speaker 1: is hypothetically in range. He's a alert. You have your bow,

1528
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 1: you have it an arrow knocked, but he is on alert.

1529
01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: He knows something is kind of up. He's doing the

1530
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: head bob. He's curious, unsure, not quite aware though that

1531
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: he should be out of there right away in that situation,

1532
01:22:01,880 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: given some the experiences you've had, what's the best thing

1533
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:06,880
Speaker 1: to do in that situation? And from your perspective, do

1534
01:22:06,920 --> 01:22:11,200
Speaker 1: you wait till he makes any kind of tiny little

1535
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:13,320
Speaker 1: movement and then just go for the snapshot or a

1536
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna wait it out and wait till he's comfortable

1537
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: again and starts walking away. What's the take in that situation,

1538
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: if you could have taken a shot, just stay calm.

1539
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,320
Speaker 1: I think, like read that deer, cover your face in

1540
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: your eye you know, have hopefully have you got your

1541
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 1: face and your eyes covered as best as possible, and

1542
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: just stay calm, because I've had that happen a lot. Actually,

1543
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: um Buckeye shot him New York, totally saw me, but

1544
01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 1: he didn't know what I was. Um Buck in North

1545
01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:54,679
Speaker 1: Dakota that I shot last year, he saw Jake, didn't

1546
01:22:54,680 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 1: know what Jake was. UM. So I've been in that situation,

1547
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:01,080
Speaker 1: and the best thing, like, man, it runs through your

1548
01:23:01,080 --> 01:23:03,400
Speaker 1: mind every time, should I just draw them, set up

1549
01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: and shoot? And I don't think. I think sometimes it works,

1550
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 1: and I guess in one situation I did that. Um

1551
01:23:12,040 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: I did do something similar, but but we'll kind of

1552
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 1: loop back to that. In most situations, I think deer,

1553
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:23,040
Speaker 1: And again it comes with a little bit of experience

1554
01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 1: of knowing like what deer can see and what they

1555
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:29,519
Speaker 1: can differentiate from like danger and just like a blob

1556
01:23:29,560 --> 01:23:33,360
Speaker 1: in the woods. UM, I think dear c head and

1557
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,880
Speaker 1: shoulders so and face. I think face is a big

1558
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:39,320
Speaker 1: one too. So like a lot of times I pulled

1559
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 1: my if a deer is closer. I know a deer

1560
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:44,840
Speaker 1: is close. I really shade my eyes with my hat

1561
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 1: and basically cover half my my eyes with my hat

1562
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: and or put my bowcam in front of my face

1563
01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 1: because I think that they see those two predator eyes,

1564
01:23:57,160 --> 01:24:00,799
Speaker 1: you know, looking right at them, especially there whatever twenty

1565
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,920
Speaker 1: thirty yards, They're like, what is that thing? You know

1566
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,599
Speaker 1: that doesn't look right? And if you've ever seen a

1567
01:24:06,680 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 1: human face in the woods sometimes it does stick out

1568
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 1: like hundreds of yards is just like, well, there's a

1569
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,200
Speaker 1: person sitting right there and see their face, So covering

1570
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:20,960
Speaker 1: face is like important. And then I mean I really

1571
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:22,920
Speaker 1: do grow my hair out at this point. I mean

1572
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: I grow it out because I like it number one,

1573
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:27,840
Speaker 1: but number two, like it breaks up the head and shoulders,

1574
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: you know, like I think that's like human outline humans

1575
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,320
Speaker 1: standing on two legs and obviously walking across the landscape,

1576
01:24:34,600 --> 01:24:37,719
Speaker 1: like gear pick up on that quick. But also, um,

1577
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,680
Speaker 1: just that head and shoulder outline is like, you know,

1578
01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: very specific to humans, and I think they pick up

1579
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:46,120
Speaker 1: on that as you know, predator danger real quick. So

1580
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: you know, if you know, like let's say, oh, in

1581
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,120
Speaker 1: movement movements to the other final straw. So like if

1582
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 1: a deer is locked onto you and he's head bombing

1583
01:24:55,200 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, your range is thirty yards

1584
01:24:58,120 --> 01:25:01,360
Speaker 1: and you're like, I know, he's right at thirty He's like,

1585
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:03,639
Speaker 1: I know I can make that shot. He's broadside right now,

1586
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: and you rip the bell back. I mean, see you later.

1587
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,840
Speaker 1: He's I would say, nine times out of ten running now,

1588
01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,240
Speaker 1: if you have a little bit of front cover, you know,

1589
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:15,760
Speaker 1: and maybe you know, maybe it's worth a shot. I'm

1590
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,040
Speaker 1: not saying that a percent of the time it does

1591
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:22,080
Speaker 1: not work. But you know, if they're already pretty locked

1592
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,240
Speaker 1: on and they're already like you know, on max suspicion

1593
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: as like is that a predator and you blow up

1594
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 1: out of your you know, your your hide, they're they're

1595
01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:36,000
Speaker 1: probably gonna run. So in my experience, I've just been

1596
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:43,720
Speaker 1: really really patient, stayed, stayed, blow looked at there um antlers,

1597
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:49,439
Speaker 1: and really just make that read you know, once they're

1598
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:52,280
Speaker 1: not looking at you to make that move. Um. So

1599
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,519
Speaker 1: I'll use the cample of New York real quick. New York.

1600
01:25:56,439 --> 01:25:58,760
Speaker 1: I was stalking in on a buck that was better

1601
01:25:58,840 --> 01:26:01,960
Speaker 1: with the dough. I was staying along a shaded the

1602
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 1: wind was coming out across wind. I love across wind

1603
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 1: and moving in on deer um standing on a shaded

1604
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: fence line. And as I was moving towards him, I

1605
01:26:13,439 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: was starting they stood up, and I knew they were betted,

1606
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: and I didn't know exactly. I mean, I pretty much

1607
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 1: knew exactly where, you know, within like a ten yard circle.

1608
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:24,719
Speaker 1: I knewhere there were but I was playing it slow

1609
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 1: and safe. And then they stood up and I could

1610
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,680
Speaker 1: see about stantler tips and I just started reading that.

1611
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:34,000
Speaker 1: I was moving in, moving and moving in, and every

1612
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,719
Speaker 1: step I would take, I would like tick the next

1613
01:26:36,720 --> 01:26:38,759
Speaker 1: step right, I would like take the next little patch

1614
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: of shadow or place also where I could get knelt

1615
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:46,599
Speaker 1: down and draw my boat out getting hung up on stuff.

1616
01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:49,599
Speaker 1: So like really particular about where I'm making these next moves,

1617
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,479
Speaker 1: and midway through as I'm like cutting distance, you know,

1618
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 1: really cutting some distance heat a car like stops or

1619
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: something or like rev the engine, maybe even just hip

1620
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: stop sign. I don't really even know what happened that

1621
01:27:03,040 --> 01:27:06,679
Speaker 1: you can hear it in in the footage the engine

1622
01:27:06,680 --> 01:27:10,439
Speaker 1: wrapped up. Deer looks at the engine or you know

1623
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: where that sounds coming from, And just like streaks out

1624
01:27:13,080 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 1: and he just takes off round it and he does

1625
01:27:16,439 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: a few bounds and he ends up landing right in

1626
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:22,639
Speaker 1: front of me at like I don't know bow range,

1627
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, pretty easy shots. But what I had done

1628
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,960
Speaker 1: is because I had been picking that next spot. I

1629
01:27:29,000 --> 01:27:31,160
Speaker 1: already had my next spot pick, and as soon as

1630
01:27:31,200 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: he started bounding, I just, like you know, one too quick,

1631
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: scurried right into a little patch of shade. I got

1632
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: down into a ball as small as I could, and

1633
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: I put my cam in front of my face, my

1634
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 1: hat bound over my eyes, and I just was barely

1635
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,080
Speaker 1: looking at him through my hat Billy and my bow

1636
01:27:48,160 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: can and he runs like head on right at me

1637
01:27:52,240 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: and stopped it. I don't know, let's just say yards.

1638
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly how far, but I know it's

1639
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 1: really really close, and he's locked on. Like his pail

1640
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 1: goes up. He starts like kind of walk stomping towards me,

1641
01:28:05,800 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: and I just waited, and I mean it went through

1642
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,360
Speaker 1: my head. It's like, man, he's closed, and he's as

1643
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 1: he started walking closer, like man, I might be able

1644
01:28:13,200 --> 01:28:14,920
Speaker 1: to just whip this bow back and shoot him right

1645
01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:17,000
Speaker 1: in the chest, and like you know what, that's never

1646
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna happen, like never ever gonna happen. I mean, you know,

1647
01:28:21,160 --> 01:28:23,880
Speaker 1: your mind's racing at this point. My heart's going to

1648
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:28,160
Speaker 1: the roof, and I just remember thinking to myself, it's blown.

1649
01:28:28,439 --> 01:28:31,080
Speaker 1: If you move. If you move at this point, you've

1650
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:34,000
Speaker 1: blown it. The only chance you have is if he

1651
01:28:34,120 --> 01:28:37,040
Speaker 1: circles back to that dough and starts worrying about that

1652
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:40,719
Speaker 1: dough again, or worrying about some other, you know, issue

1653
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that could be going on in his brain, whether it's

1654
01:28:42,760 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 1: that car or whatever. You have to wait till he

1655
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,240
Speaker 1: looks away from you, and then you got to try

1656
01:28:47,240 --> 01:28:50,800
Speaker 1: to draw. So because I had that cross wind, it

1657
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:55,439
Speaker 1: was moving from right to left, and he had to

1658
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 1: circ if he wanted to circle me or that dough,

1659
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 1: he had to go to the left. And he just

1660
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,360
Speaker 1: started walking and he cut back into taller grass, and

1661
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,120
Speaker 1: then again just waiting for him to not not see

1662
01:29:08,200 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: his eye. You know, I I really think there's it's

1663
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: kind of as simple as that. You can't actually see

1664
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: their eye at all in your safe but like they'll

1665
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: check you too, like what he did the first time,

1666
01:29:20,760 --> 01:29:23,120
Speaker 1: and I didn't draw on this is he checked me

1667
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,000
Speaker 1: like he acted like he wasn't looking, you know, and

1668
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,360
Speaker 1: he looked to the right, and then he snapped it

1669
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: back to the left and he checked me, and I

1670
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:33,680
Speaker 1: let him have that one. And then he did it

1671
01:29:33,720 --> 01:29:36,639
Speaker 1: again because he started to trust to the situation because

1672
01:29:36,680 --> 01:29:38,400
Speaker 1: he checked me, and I didn't move even when he

1673
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,840
Speaker 1: allowed himself to be vulnerable, and I just like let

1674
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: him have that one. And then he looked again, and

1675
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: I drew stand really low, knowing that he at this

1676
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,280
Speaker 1: point is starting to kind of go into this ocean

1677
01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: of grass, and drew back slowly. And then he looked

1678
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 1: a third time at that dough and I literally stood

1679
01:29:57,760 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: all the way up and I shot him at twenty yards.

1680
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 1: It's like the woodshoot a three D target in the yard,

1681
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:04,280
Speaker 1: and I mean it was it was. It ended up

1682
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: just being a complete chip shot, like he was looking

1683
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: the other way at twenty yards. So that's one situation.

1684
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 1: Another situation is in Nebraska. I called him on a

1685
01:30:15,280 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: buck um a couple of years ago, a few years ago,

1686
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:23,559
Speaker 1: you have twenty eight and I was it knew exactly

1687
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:26,360
Speaker 1: where he's dead. It I had a spot picked where

1688
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:27,840
Speaker 1: I thought I was going to be inside his spent

1689
01:30:27,920 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 1: of yards or right at spent of yards or whatever,

1690
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 1: and I ended up getting there and here's the buck land.

1691
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 1: I arranged him three times, nineteen yards. I'm like, man like,

1692
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:43,839
Speaker 1: all he's gotta do is stand up. And Logan, who

1693
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:47,200
Speaker 1: was the guy that was filming at the time, Um,

1694
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:48,720
Speaker 1: he was up on the hill and he was just

1695
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 1: barely skyline like the way he had to get up

1696
01:30:51,560 --> 01:30:54,920
Speaker 1: the camera. He was just barely, you know, sticking out.

1697
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,439
Speaker 1: He he was wearing a gilly suit, so he didn't

1698
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,080
Speaker 1: look like a human, but he definitely was abnormal in

1699
01:31:00,120 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: that landscape. And I was wearing a gilly suit and

1700
01:31:04,320 --> 01:31:07,479
Speaker 1: also just like tucked up against the cedar tree. I'm

1701
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:11,479
Speaker 1: not perfectly covered, but I'm you know, I know that

1702
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: they can't tell exactly what deer can't tell exactly what

1703
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: I am. And I'm watching this buck bedded And in

1704
01:31:16,680 --> 01:31:19,760
Speaker 1: the meantime, the smaller buck came in and walked up

1705
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:23,639
Speaker 1: to like point blank, he's probably five or seven yards

1706
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: away on the other side of the creek, and he

1707
01:31:25,160 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: starts looking at me, and then he starts looking at

1708
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: Logan up on the hill, and you just can't really

1709
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,040
Speaker 1: tell what we are because I'm we're not moving either.

1710
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: One of us are moving, and he eventually gives up

1711
01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 1: on the wind winds in our favor. That's important to note,

1712
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:42,200
Speaker 1: and he eventually gives up on the situation. And for

1713
01:31:42,240 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 1: some reason, I almost made a bone head mistake here.

1714
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:48,200
Speaker 1: As that other buck worked away, I looked up at

1715
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Logan to make sure that he wasn't like signaling me,

1716
01:31:51,880 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: you know something. I don't really even know why I

1717
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:55,599
Speaker 1: cared at that point. Again, it was it was kind

1718
01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:59,320
Speaker 1: of bonehead for a second. Actually what happened is that panic.

1719
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:01,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I hope he's got enough battery or

1720
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:03,120
Speaker 1: I hope he's got enough memory in the card. And

1721
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:06,479
Speaker 1: then I like, really, I thought, why didn't matter at

1722
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,760
Speaker 1: this point, But I looked up at him the only

1723
01:32:09,800 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 1: movement I made since I've got into the set up,

1724
01:32:12,080 --> 01:32:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes prior, and I look up at him,

1725
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:18,519
Speaker 1: and I look back and the buckets standing up looking

1726
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 1: in our direction, the buck that I'm trying to shoot,

1727
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:24,080
Speaker 1: and it's that was one of those situations where I

1728
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,479
Speaker 1: knew prior, I'd visualized how he was going to stand

1729
01:32:27,520 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 1: up in that bed. I see how his body was oriented.

1730
01:32:29,600 --> 01:32:31,360
Speaker 1: I knew that if he stood up and he took

1731
01:32:31,479 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 1: one step, he was gonna be you know, there wasn't

1732
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 1: gonna be a lady there. And he stood up, He's

1733
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:40,920
Speaker 1: looking in my direction, got a gilly suit on, I

1734
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, got a pretty good amount of cover, and

1735
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 1: I thought, whatever, it's now or never he takes one step,

1736
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,519
Speaker 1: he's out of there. And I just like pointed that,

1737
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, I'd already had the arrow pointed right at him,

1738
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,760
Speaker 1: and I just you know, with as much with as

1739
01:32:54,840 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: little movement as possible, I just drew the bow straight back,

1740
01:32:57,880 --> 01:32:59,960
Speaker 1: set will the pen and john him and he never moved.

1741
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:04,960
Speaker 1: So two kind of different situations there, in two different

1742
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:09,960
Speaker 1: slightly different, you know, again every situation being a little different.

1743
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,000
Speaker 1: I did decide to pull the trigger there, but he

1744
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:15,800
Speaker 1: wasn't as locked on like I think he probably at

1745
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 1: that point was just like huh, like that's kind of

1746
01:33:18,120 --> 01:33:20,720
Speaker 1: weird that something's right there, and he had not not

1747
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 1: really put that, he hadn't got fear in him yet

1748
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 1: if that might be a predator. I think you just

1749
01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:31,040
Speaker 1: thought on something different. And my movement was so minimal,

1750
01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,320
Speaker 1: and I was so broken up with that gilly suit that, um,

1751
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,559
Speaker 1: you know I think that I just well, I mean

1752
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,880
Speaker 1: I definitely did get away with it, but not every

1753
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 1: situation I would do that. I would say, most times,

1754
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,360
Speaker 1: play it safe and just wait for them, and if

1755
01:33:46,360 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: you're not moving, they're probably not gonna run. Like it

1756
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:52,759
Speaker 1: is really weird and like we're taught. We're taught when

1757
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:55,519
Speaker 1: we first started hunting, or at least a lot of us,

1758
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, growing up in the East

1759
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: in the Midwest, you're taught to get into a tree

1760
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,439
Speaker 1: stand and what movement you can and can't get away with,

1761
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:07,040
Speaker 1: how to get you know, the right cover for a

1762
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:11,400
Speaker 1: tree stand. But we're not really taught like what deer

1763
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,200
Speaker 1: can and can't see when you're on the ground. And

1764
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: we give dear too much credit because what they are

1765
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 1: really good at is skylining you in a tree. They

1766
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:23,559
Speaker 1: can pick a human body out of a blob out

1767
01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,160
Speaker 1: of a tree pretty easily. But when you're on the

1768
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 1: ground and you're broken up, I mean sometimes it can

1769
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:32,880
Speaker 1: be a tuft of grass that's between you and the

1770
01:34:32,960 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: deer and they just can't really pick up if you're

1771
01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:38,040
Speaker 1: not moving. But if you're moving around, you know, they

1772
01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: can see really well, but they're there. Their eyes are

1773
01:34:40,520 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: definitely different than ours, like they just don't see the

1774
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:47,280
Speaker 1: same thing. Movement is bad, you know, having your face exposed.

1775
01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:50,559
Speaker 1: I think it's bad. But like it's really crazy what

1776
01:34:50,640 --> 01:34:54,320
Speaker 1: you can get away with um on the ground and

1777
01:34:54,320 --> 01:34:59,560
Speaker 1: and um, just like you kind of have to relearn

1778
01:35:00,720 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: what is right and wrong. I guess because in the

1779
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,160
Speaker 1: tree stand you you play the situation a little bit

1780
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:08,400
Speaker 1: different because they're not looking up all the time, you know,

1781
01:35:08,760 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 1: But in on the ground you just have to read

1782
01:35:11,320 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: the deer and and UM, I don't know, I don't know.

1783
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:18,040
Speaker 1: I guess it's it's I just think of it. It's

1784
01:35:18,479 --> 01:35:20,880
Speaker 1: often like I'm surprised that what you can get away

1785
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:27,000
Speaker 1: with in my setup now. Sometimes are like a few

1786
01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:29,080
Speaker 1: years ago, I've been like, oh, that's a sloppy set

1787
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:31,760
Speaker 1: up that will never work. And it's like sometimes now

1788
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, if the deer comes right

1789
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:36,599
Speaker 1: from that direction, it's gonna work. And I you know,

1790
01:35:36,920 --> 01:35:38,840
Speaker 1: it may not work from every direction, but I feel

1791
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 1: most confident in the deer coming from that spot. If

1792
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:45,320
Speaker 1: he does, you know, it'll work. And it doesn't have

1793
01:35:45,400 --> 01:35:48,840
Speaker 1: to be like super fancy. Sometimes it's just just a

1794
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,000
Speaker 1: log in front of you. Sometimes it's just a big

1795
01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 1: tree in front of you. You know, you're just kind

1796
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:54,439
Speaker 1: of hiding off to the right side of the tree

1797
01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:58,560
Speaker 1: looking to draw around. But it's just, um, I don't know,

1798
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:01,280
Speaker 1: setup set up things with a lot different I guess

1799
01:36:01,320 --> 01:36:06,640
Speaker 1: I got way off traff of here. I'm loving it

1800
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:10,280
Speaker 1: and it's just got me chomping at a bit even

1801
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:13,160
Speaker 1: more than I was to take off in like ten

1802
01:36:13,240 --> 01:36:15,639
Speaker 1: days heading out for my first hunt of the year.

1803
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 1: And uh, I gotta believe Tony and a whole bunch

1804
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:20,639
Speaker 1: of other people listening are feeling in the same way.

1805
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:27,280
Speaker 1: So you've done your job well, Zack. I just know

1806
01:36:27,479 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: it's something that I got just an extremely passionate bottle.

1807
01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 1: I started doing this. My favorite favorite thing. It really

1808
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: hunting deer off the ground and that style. Man, it's

1809
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:43,240
Speaker 1: just like I guess that's why I promote it so much.

1810
01:36:43,280 --> 01:36:45,559
Speaker 1: It's like it doesn't have to be hunting off the ground.

1811
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:47,320
Speaker 1: It could be hunting out of a tree saddle or

1812
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:50,800
Speaker 1: tree stand. You know, maybe it's hunting deer off of

1813
01:36:50,840 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: a horse or something. I don't know, whatever, like really

1814
01:36:53,680 --> 01:36:58,360
Speaker 1: makes you tick like that, That to me is um,

1815
01:36:58,520 --> 01:37:00,320
Speaker 1: you can make it so much more on if you

1816
01:37:00,360 --> 01:37:02,280
Speaker 1: just kind of mind a style that works for you.

1817
01:37:02,360 --> 01:37:05,759
Speaker 1: And I I was in a rut of deer hunting,

1818
01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 1: not the right type of rut. That was just like

1819
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:11,160
Speaker 1: kind of doing the same old thing over and over again,

1820
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 1: and I was getting kind of tired. I loved it. It

1821
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:16,519
Speaker 1: It was always my favorite thing, but hunting off the count,

1822
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: he's made it that much more of my favorite thing.

1823
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:24,320
Speaker 1: Like it's awesome. Yeah, I think that's a perfect place

1824
01:37:24,360 --> 01:37:28,479
Speaker 1: to wrap it up, because this message of just finding

1825
01:37:28,520 --> 01:37:31,280
Speaker 1: what you enjoy, finding where your passion is and and

1826
01:37:31,400 --> 01:37:34,320
Speaker 1: chasing it regardless of what other people do, or regardless

1827
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,600
Speaker 1: of what other people say is gonna work or not

1828
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: gonna work, or no matter what other people think is

1829
01:37:39,120 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 1: okay for your shoot or not shoot. Like, I think

1830
01:37:41,479 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 1: the moral of a lot of this is go back

1831
01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 1: to what makes you know, what scratches that is for you,

1832
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:49,200
Speaker 1: what gets you fired up, and just do it shamelessly,

1833
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,720
Speaker 1: screw everybody else. If it's legal, and if it does

1834
01:37:52,720 --> 01:37:56,559
Speaker 1: it for you, enjoy the hell out of it. So yep,

1835
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm all about it. So, Zach, you have made

1836
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,280
Speaker 1: it through the what would you do? Gauntlet? You have survived,

1837
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:08,360
Speaker 1: You've proved yourself very worthy of the challenge. Um, we

1838
01:38:08,439 --> 01:38:10,439
Speaker 1: gotta wrap it up. But I've got one last, like

1839
01:38:10,560 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: rapid fire round of questions for you, and uh and

1840
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: then that would be as this would be like one

1841
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: word answers is all we're gonna give you. Okay, okay,

1842
01:38:19,840 --> 01:38:22,920
Speaker 1: all right, so real quick? Does the moon matter to

1843
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:30,439
Speaker 1: dear movement? Yes? Or no? Mm hmm Yes, but I

1844
01:38:30,479 --> 01:38:34,280
Speaker 1: don't understand it. Okay. I would say it probably has

1845
01:38:34,320 --> 01:38:37,720
Speaker 1: an impact, but I don't understand it. Okay. Would you

1846
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 1: take a fifty yard shot at a white tail with

1847
01:38:39,840 --> 01:38:51,559
Speaker 1: your bow? Yes? Or no? No? If you could only

1848
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 1: have one of these tools for us of your hunts forever,

1849
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: which one would you take? Rattling antlers or grunt to

1850
01:38:59,479 --> 01:39:06,679
Speaker 1: grant two? Expandable or fixed blade broadheads? Fixed blade? Should

1851
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:09,639
Speaker 1: you stop a buck with a sound if he's walking

1852
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:19,559
Speaker 1: before shooting? Yes or no? M hm? Yes? Yeah, okay.

1853
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 1: I mean that's one that I could go on and

1854
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:26,400
Speaker 1: on about, and I think it's very situational. But yeah, okay. Um,

1855
01:39:26,439 --> 01:39:29,040
Speaker 1: if you could only pick one season that you were

1856
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:33,360
Speaker 1: allowed to scout, which season would it be? Winter? Summer

1857
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:39,400
Speaker 1: or fall? Mm hm fall? Which state has the better

1858
01:39:39,479 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: deer hunters? Iowa or Ohio. Oh man, I don't know,

1859
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: no comment, okay, fair enough, got to keep good graces.

1860
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to offend anybody. I don't want to

1861
01:39:57,080 --> 01:39:59,880
Speaker 1: piss off your buddies in Iowa or the locals. We're

1862
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:04,839
Speaker 1: you're up, Yeah exactly. I'd rather just yeah, there's no yeah,

1863
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:08,720
Speaker 1: that's that's that's yeah. It's a trick question. It's a

1864
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 1: trick question. All right. Here's one that you can expand

1865
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:16,360
Speaker 1: on a little bit. So imagine that I am omnipotent

1866
01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:19,360
Speaker 1: I have full control of everything in the world, and

1867
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,840
Speaker 1: I'm going to take away your hunting privileges for the

1868
01:40:21,880 --> 01:40:26,839
Speaker 1: next ten years, no more hunting at all, unless unless

1869
01:40:26,920 --> 01:40:30,320
Speaker 1: you kill a mature buck this year on public land zact.

1870
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: So let's say, let's say four year ol buck. You

1871
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,600
Speaker 1: gotta kill a public land four year old buck this

1872
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: year to keep the next ten years of hunting available

1873
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:42,040
Speaker 1: to you. But here's the rub. You only get one

1874
01:40:42,120 --> 01:40:45,519
Speaker 1: day to do it and one spot to do it in.

1875
01:40:45,800 --> 01:40:48,759
Speaker 1: And since you hunt like a you hunt a different

1876
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,840
Speaker 1: way than some people. You can have a type of

1877
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:52,920
Speaker 1: spot that you want to walk around and check out.

1878
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,559
Speaker 1: So give me the day. You're gonna pick, what date?

1879
01:40:56,200 --> 01:40:58,439
Speaker 1: You would think you've got the very best chances, and

1880
01:40:58,479 --> 01:41:01,680
Speaker 1: then described to me the kind of you would ideally

1881
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 1: want to pin your hopes on for this very high

1882
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:10,840
Speaker 1: stakes hunt. Uh, Like first it would be it would

1883
01:41:10,880 --> 01:41:17,519
Speaker 1: be like, um, real early in the season. Let's just

1884
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:20,559
Speaker 1: say I've had pretty good success on like the fifth

1885
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:26,320
Speaker 1: and sixth of September. So I'll say sixth of September. Um,

1886
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,679
Speaker 1: in just any wide open country where I know there's

1887
01:41:30,720 --> 01:41:34,200
Speaker 1: a good water source. So like if there's water and

1888
01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 1: it's like it's a river bottom um with hills around

1889
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: it and pretty open, that's where I want to be.

1890
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: That's that's where I feel the most confident. Um, just

1891
01:41:47,240 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 1: where I can see it dear um ideally see a

1892
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:54,599
Speaker 1: dear bedded That's that's where I feel the most confident.

1893
01:41:54,680 --> 01:42:00,599
Speaker 1: Like I would say that, yeah, seeing seeing is really

1894
01:42:00,640 --> 01:42:03,080
Speaker 1: important to me. So that definitely makes me feel like

1895
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:07,920
Speaker 1: I could be successful. Um in that date. I just

1896
01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 1: kind of love the mentality of the year. It's just

1897
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:14,360
Speaker 1: kind of laying around kind of like that. So if

1898
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:16,840
Speaker 1: you get them in an open, open country and they're

1899
01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:19,400
Speaker 1: just laying around and you can see him that it's

1900
01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 1: it's nice. So that's that's where I've had probably the

1901
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:27,040
Speaker 1: best success consistently. Really, I like it. That's a super

1902
01:42:27,080 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: fun way to hunt. I know Tony and I both

1903
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: are with you on that one. So you did it, Zach.

1904
01:42:32,120 --> 01:42:35,800
Speaker 1: Appreciate you bearing with us through all these questions, and

1905
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,120
Speaker 1: uh it was fun. It was a lot of fun.

1906
01:42:38,160 --> 01:42:43,679
Speaker 1: Thank you. Oh yeah, then I had a blast. I

1907
01:42:43,680 --> 01:42:45,920
Speaker 1: I hope we can do it again sometime soon. Good

1908
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:48,640
Speaker 1: luck on these hunts you got coming up. And uh

1909
01:42:48,920 --> 01:42:51,439
Speaker 1: we'll check in with it after September six and see

1910
01:42:51,479 --> 01:42:56,960
Speaker 1: if you killed the one already. Yeah, that's good, it'll

1911
01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:59,320
Speaker 1: be that'll be all right about the time to be

1912
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:03,240
Speaker 1: see it, you know, see you too good. I'm gonna

1913
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:07,519
Speaker 1: go to I got a new Mexico deer tag. It's

1914
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:12,519
Speaker 1: a like four cantler deer so any buck, you know,

1915
01:43:12,720 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 1: I can shoot deer out there mostly, but that's that's

1916
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:20,000
Speaker 1: it's going to be open country. So we'll see fingers

1917
01:43:20,040 --> 01:43:22,800
Speaker 1: crossed that that's uh, we can pull it off. So

1918
01:43:23,320 --> 01:43:26,719
Speaker 1: I love it. All right, we'll get there. You guys

1919
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:30,800
Speaker 1: to have a good season, all right, Thanks buddy, Thanks Zach. Yeah,

1920
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:35,080
Speaker 1: all right, and that's a wrap. I will just remind

1921
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:37,760
Speaker 1: you that If you're not already following Zach and the

1922
01:43:37,840 --> 01:43:41,000
Speaker 1: Hunting Public team, you gotta check them out. They're producing

1923
01:43:41,080 --> 01:43:44,160
Speaker 1: some of the very best white tail content out there.

1924
01:43:44,200 --> 01:43:46,639
Speaker 1: Their deer tours kicking off and just a matter of

1925
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: probably days from when this episode drops, so be sure

1926
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:53,720
Speaker 1: check out the Hunting Public on YouTube, They're on Instagram,

1927
01:43:53,840 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: they're on iTunes, basically anywhere you want to find stuff.

1928
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,559
Speaker 1: They've got something. So check out what Zack's doing and

1929
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:03,280
Speaker 1: the whole through. Give him, give him a subscribe, watch

1930
01:44:03,320 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 1: their content and you will not regret it. So that's

1931
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 1: all I got for you today. Thanks for listening, appreciate

1932
01:44:09,640 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 1: you being here. Best of luck with your archery practice,

1933
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: with your final scouting, with your trail camera polls, whatever

1934
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: you're doing, get after it, have some fun, and until

1935
01:44:18,400 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 1: next time, stay wired to hunt.