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Speaker 3: My brother hacked me, and my parents sided with him.

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Speaker 2: He's hacking into the mainframe.

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Speaker 3: I'm in my second year of undergrad at a state

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Speaker 3: university in California, and I'm having an issue with my brother,

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Speaker 3: who is in his late twenties and a computer engineer.

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Speaker 3: This is relevant to my issue. As a side note,

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Speaker 3: I know very little about computers other than basic googling skills.

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Speaker 3: By the way, this comes from difficult path And if

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Speaker 2: I'm Carly, and we're here to give.

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Speaker 3: Good advice goofully, But we don't have all the answers.

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Speaker 3: We just know what we would do in this situation.

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Speaker 3: But let us know what you would do in the comments.

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Speaker 3: So Opie says, my brother is a very type a person,

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Speaker 3: very perfectionist and hard working, often to the detriment of

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Speaker 3: and is successful in the traditional sense, but he is

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Speaker 3: very controlling and has a bit of an overblown ego.

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Speaker 3: I'm a much more relaxed person, and the two of

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Speaker 3: Club and thought that Tyler Dirdan was onto something. We

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Speaker 3: that I am not like him and that I don't

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Speaker 3: look up to him as a role model. He is

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Speaker 3: very fond of mocking my interests, hobbies, and career plans,

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Speaker 3: and he often talks literally about a quote plan for

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Speaker 3: me in which I changed my major to engineering and

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Speaker 3: start taking his advice. When he brings us up now

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Speaker 3: over the phone, I stopped talking to him for however

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Speaker 3: many days or weeks, until he apologizes and then we

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Speaker 3: do it all over again. Two weeks ago, my brother

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Speaker 3: made a joke referencing a piece of digital art that

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Speaker 3: it until I realized after the phone call ended that

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Speaker 3: I never posted that piece of art anywhere, not even

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Speaker 3: to any cloud service, only been available on my physical laptop.

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Speaker 3: I was nervous and downloaded malware bites, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: find anything. Thinking back, I also recalled my brother making

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Speaker 3: privately on my discord, which also was not publicly available.

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Speaker 3: Checking Gmail and a few other websites I'm on that

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Speaker 3: showed options, I've discovered someone had been logging into my

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Speaker 3: for about a week. I called my brother about this,

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Speaker 3: and he laughed and told me that he had remote

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Speaker 3: I told him that that was ridiculous, and he basically

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Speaker 3: and I want him to stop. I don't feel comfortable

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Speaker 3: I'm writing this for my school's library. Is there a

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Speaker 3: the future without getting him in serious trouble. My brother

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Speaker 3: Based on some of the stuff that I read on

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Speaker 3: last night while cleaning, and then I actually found a camera.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know what will happen, but I feel

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Speaker 3: comments that people sent.

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Speaker 2: It helped a lot.

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Speaker 3: Thanks. We do have a second update from a week later.

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Speaker 3: Without exaggeration, this was probably the worst day of my life.

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Speaker 3: After getting served the injunction or a temporary restraining order

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Speaker 3: Like the only thing that I think that maybe you

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Speaker 2: But I already she kind of already had been like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. So it's like it probably wouldn't have helped

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Speaker 3: So I guess maybe that wouldn't have even been a

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Speaker 2: Probably knew you were gonna go to the police anyway,

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, having a camera in a place where

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Speaker 2: what if there was? Like he went into it not

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Speaker 3: I mean, all of it's insane.

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Speaker 2: It's disgusting.

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Speaker 3: It's disgusting, like you're first of all my brother, second

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Speaker 3: like I saw that you're doing this, I'm gonna make

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Speaker 3: Like I could make a joke to just show you

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Speaker 2: For sure, make the kah I hacked in and then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then he'd be like, yeah, no, I'm not

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Speaker 2: And then maybe like I don't know, show me how

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Speaker 2: to remove how you did that from my computer? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. But then the fact that he continues to do

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's in jail right now. Okay,

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Speaker 3: According to the talks we've had, they said, I'm disgusting

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Speaker 3: I had to stop school this semester because I've become

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Speaker 3: been continually pestering me through various electronic means and random

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Speaker 3: Honestly, and spreading false rumors about me. I was too

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Speaker 2: Yes, maybe you can change your name you want to.

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Speaker 2: Sure. I'm very happy that your life is going significantly better, though,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy now because that isn't true. But he did

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Speaker 3: Thanks to everyone who sent me messages and offered me

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm uop honestly for finding your truth in it

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Speaker 2: and for not feeling guilt about someone who was terrible

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, like you really didn't do anything in

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Speaker 2: I am jealous of my cousins in laws and it's

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Speaker 2: if you want to submit your own stories, go to

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Speaker 2: Growing up, she'd feel exceedingly unworthy of my childish adoration

437
00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,639
Speaker 2: and that continued into adulthood. I always told her she'd

438
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,439
Speaker 2: be in my wedding, my first child's godmother, etc. You

439
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,840
Speaker 2: get the idea. I was obsessed with her, but we

440
00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,120
Speaker 2: still grew up very close. Of course, as an adult,

441
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,560
Speaker 2: don't get it twisted. I'm not obsessed with her like

442
00:20:16,680 --> 00:20:20,440
Speaker 2: when I was five. My opinion of her has never changed, though.

443
00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,320
Speaker 2: I still think she's amazing and I'll always look up

444
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 2: to her. Jolene has a son and his father sucks

445
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,520
Speaker 2: pretty cut and dry. When they were separated and divorcing,

446
00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:32,440
Speaker 2: my mom and I would spend a ton of time

447
00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: going to see them and being supportive for Jolene. We'd

448
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 2: bring food to take them out, have fun outings. Jolene's

449
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,200
Speaker 2: son is autistic, and she was having a hard time

450
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 2: being a single parent and trying to support him as

451
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,040
Speaker 2: best she could. Jolene found a new husband in the

452
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 2: last few years, and we actually love him. He's kind, supportive,

453
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,640
Speaker 2: and I get great vibes from him. He's also been

454
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,720
Speaker 2: wonderful to Jolene's son and loves him like his own.

455
00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: The problem has been with his family, making us feel

456
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,880
Speaker 2: sort of pushed out. Jolene's mother passed away last year,

457
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,320
Speaker 2: and it was devastating. By the end, she didn't know

458
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: what was going on or who some people even were.

459
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,400
Speaker 2: Jolene moved her wedding up so that her mother would

460
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 2: be alive to see it, but she wasn't even able

461
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:20,920
Speaker 2: to attend due to her state. It was probably the

462
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,480
Speaker 2: most bittersweet and heartbreaking weekend, and I've always wanted to

463
00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: keep the drama that happened a secret so that Jolene

464
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,920
Speaker 2: could have as many good memories from that day as

465
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: she could. My mom really tried to step up and

466
00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:37,240
Speaker 2: be a pseudo grandmother. If the kids needed anything, we

467
00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 2: got it. If Jolene needed someone to take her son

468
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: for a bit, we were there in a heartbeat. This

469
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 2: was the case during the wedding weekend too, when we

470
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 2: met Jolene's new in laws. I will admit I felt

471
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,400
Speaker 2: a bit territorial. That is a character flaw I have,

472
00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 2: but I try my absolute best to never show it

473
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 2: because I've never met these people and I don't want

474
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 2: to be rude. I'm going to safely assume my mom

475
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 2: probably felt the same. The first night before the wedding,

476
00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,680
Speaker 2: we had a great get together. I was sitting next

477
00:22:06,680 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 2: to my cousin, who was sitting next to her new

478
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,120
Speaker 2: sister in law. I asked her if she was going

479
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 2: to need any help the following day getting dressed, getting ready, etc.

480
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 2: She assured me that our aunts were there and would

481
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: be helping her, and I was very contented by that.

482
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 2: Her sister in law, though, decided to say actually, I've

483
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: been stepping into the sister role my territorial, but made

484
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 2: direct eye contact and said, I have bathed this woman

485
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 2: when she had pneumonia. I've been her sister since we

486
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: were children. That was on me and it was probably rude.

487
00:22:38,119 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: I do regret being rude. The next day, my husband

488
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,439
Speaker 2: and I had Jolene's son while Jolene got ready. My

489
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: mom got Jolene last minute things she forgot, so she

490
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 2: was in the airbnb. When Jolene was worried about how

491
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 2: she wanted her veil. Jolene's mother in law said that

492
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 2: they should consult my hair and makeup person, and my

493
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 2: mom said, how about we let the bride decide. So

494
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: my mom got a mirror and put up a few

495
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: placements and it calmed my cousin so she was able

496
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 2: to choose. After my cousin walked away. Her mother in

497
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: law said to her new husband, doesn't she your mom

498
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: remind you so much of Aunt so and so? Now

499
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 2: my mom is funny and self deprecating. She jokingly said, oh,

500
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 2: is Aunt so and so a witch? She did not

501
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: expect the mother in law to very seriously say, yeah, yeah,

502
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 2: she is. The egregious thing that occurred happened at the wedding,

503
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 2: And this is the thing that the whole big family

504
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: I spoke about earlier is still mad about. I'm pretty

505
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: sure this is going to be a lifelong grudge that

506
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 2: my aunts and uncles will never get over. My cousin

507
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: obviously had a wedding bouquet, but the person she got

508
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 2: it from was kind enough to make her mother a

509
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: little bouquet. Now, her mom didn't know what was going

510
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: on at all, but it was still so sweet that

511
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 2: she got her own bouquet of flowers. For some reason.

512
00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 2: Despite the fact that my cousin didn't have a wedding

513
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 2: party due to the small size of the wedding and

514
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 2: the quickness of the planning, the in laws all showed

515
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,040
Speaker 2: up dressed a very normally with professionally done hair and makeup,

516
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 2: and all wearing the same color like bridesmaids. I admit

517
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: this pissed me off. If DeLine was going to have bridesmaids,

518
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: I would have been one of them, and I sure

519
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 2: as crap was more likely to be a maid of

520
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,680
Speaker 2: honor than this sister in law was. Anyway. Aside from

521
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 2: the color matching, the sister in law also had my

522
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: passing away aunt's bouquet of flowers. I don't know how

523
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: she got them, and I can't say for sure that

524
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 2: she knew it was my aunt, because maybe she didn't know,

525
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: but she had taken my passing away ants flowers. My family,

526
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 2: who tends to sit and clicks with each other and

527
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 2: stay around ourselves, glared daggers at this woman the whole

528
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 2: ceremony and reception. When they got up for pictures, one

529
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 2: of my aunts went to their table, snatched the flowers

530
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: and hid them.

531
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 3: Nice. I'm glad you're not the only one that is

532
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 3: bothered by this.

533
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, needless to say, not the best first impression.

534
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: Now a year later, every holiday weekend anything seems to

535
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 2: be claimed by the in laws. Thanksgiving Christmas, her first

536
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 2: Mother's Day without her mother and pregnant with her first daughter,

537
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: that her Mom would never get to meet. Fourth of July, etc.

538
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: We always ask to get together with them for these times,

539
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: especially Mother's Day, but they were always with the in laws,

540
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 2: and it's feeling like our toes were being stepped on.

541
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: I think my mother really feels like the in laws

542
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 2: are trying to replace Jolene's existing family. I appreciate them

543
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: a ton for being as supportive as they have been

544
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 2: since my aunt's passing, but I also get the same

545
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 2: feeling they've always been there for Jolene, but we would

546
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 2: also like to spend time with them. I've already asked

547
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 2: to have Thanksgiving with them this year, just to get

548
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 2: a jump on it, because absolutely bragging. I make a

549
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 2: great Thanksgiving meal, but I make too much food for

550
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: our small family unit. I just want to know how

551
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: I can approach this delicately, How to be fair and

552
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 2: supportive of how my mom feels while also not being

553
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: needlessly aggressive to people who have been nothing but kind

554
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,280
Speaker 2: to my cousin. These feelings have been spurred up because

555
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: Jolene had a second child, a little girl. Her due

556
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 2: date was on my birthday and she was born two

557
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: days before. Dude. I felt so special when Jolene called

558
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,679
Speaker 2: me and asked if I wanted a new birthday twin. Oh,

559
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: we already have a cousin born on my birthday because

560
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: there's so many of us. But I would be elated

561
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: for Jolene's little girl to be born so close to

562
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 2: my birthday.

563
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, how would she go about that?

564
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I feel like I wonder if

565
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 2: there's ever even been a conversation or just like a

566
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 2: bunch of snippy comments here and there.

567
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, like from the sister in law from sister in law.

568
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: From mother in law. Yeah, Like I'm wondering if if

569
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 2: air needs to be cleared or something, or if you

570
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: can go to Jolene and just be like, hey, like

571
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 2: I really miss you, Like can you have a holiday? Yeah?

572
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 3: Honestly, going to Joline is probably the best way to

573
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 3: do Yeah. Yeah, just being super honest, especially if you

574
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: guys are close, like hopefully you can talk about like that.

575
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,719
Speaker 3: I feel like I want you to have a relationship

576
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: with your your in laws.

577
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: Like we haven't had a holiday, yeah, and you know

578
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: I make a good Thanksgiving meal, right, Yeah?

579
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like that would be the best way

580
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: to do it, because then if you go around and

581
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: talk to the in laws. Then it's like there's too

582
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: much separation there for you to like.

583
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I only say talk to the in laws if

584
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: they bring up like lingering problems. Yeah, and there could

585
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,719
Speaker 2: be like a combined thing or something, or Jolene host

586
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 2: or something.

587
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

588
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

589
00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: I was so excited when she was born two days before.

590
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: She's gorgeous, and I'm not a fan of most kids

591
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 2: except Joline's and my husband's nephews and nieces, but I'm

592
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 2: obsessed with this wonderful little girl. I am not the godmother.

593
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: Jolene's husband wanted his sister to be the godmother, so

594
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 2: that's what they went with. Am I hurt? Sigh?

595
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: Yes?

596
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 2: Was I surprised, not at all. I didn't get my

597
00:27:56,760 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 2: hopes up because I expected Jolene's husband to want his

598
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: only sister to be the godmother of his first child.

599
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: Not much of our family is invited to the christening,

600
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 2: but we are, and I want to go. But I

601
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: also know it'll heart of it and that is the

602
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 2: end of that story.

603
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:11,480
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604
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:13,280
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611
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612
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619
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620
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621
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622
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520
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623
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624
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,600
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625
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626
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: The time comes and I propose, I do all sorts

627
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628
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629
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 2: she reveals she is unsure if she loves me because

630
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,600
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631
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,360
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632
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: It hit me like a brick wall, and I thought

633
00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: my life was pretty much over. We had a week's

634
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: break before getting back together to try second time. Things

635
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,320
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636
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,760
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637
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 2: I was going to return the ring as it wasn't

638
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,920
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639
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,800
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640
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:08,640
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641
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,920
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642
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 2: to the ring was removed temporarily during the proposal, and

643
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: now I won't get to return it.

644
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 3: That's actually crazy.

645
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: I got very pissed off of the world and wanted

646
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 2: to be alone and not talk since I've essentially lost

647
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 2: five hundred bucks on a worthless ring that I can't

648
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: use for anything. What sucks so much is I bought

649
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: it because the woman I loved told me it was

650
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: the thing she wanted most in the world. Now, I'm

651
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: afraid I'm going to resent her form making me waste

652
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Speaker 2: so much. She simply said that sucks and carried on

653
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: with her day. I feel like it's very unfair for

654
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Speaker 2: me to take the hit when she changed her mind

655
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: without hinting or telling me. Do you guys think this

656
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 2: relationship is just doomed to fail at this point or

657
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 2: is it worth trying to mend it? Am I being

658
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Speaker 2: unreasonable for thinking I shouldn't be responsible for taking the

659
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 2: five hundred bucks lost? And is the ring company the

660
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: worst jewelry company in the world. I want to know

661
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 2: your thoughts before I read that edit.

662
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 4: Actually, ah, yeah, that ring company sucks.

663
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: Ring company sucks. I do have mixed feelings about who's

664
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Speaker 2: responsible for the ring because she did say I want

665
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 2: to marry you proposed to me soon. At the same time, though,

666
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 2: I'm like, she can change her mind and say no. Yeah,

667
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: it's kind of like hepot it. I that he would

668
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 2: be maybe split it. I don't even know.

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00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think at least splitting it would be the

670
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 4: nice thing to do again. She is absolutely like complete

671
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: right to be like. I wasn't sure, but it doesn't

672
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 4: bode well for the relationship that she didn't communicate that

673
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 4: and is not willing to take any, like any of.

674
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Speaker 2: The blame for this.

675
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 4: So I feel like it's not gonna work out if

676
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 4: this is kind of how she's treating it.

677
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 2: I'll let the money go. I understand it's petty of

678
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: me to let it bother me so much. It's just

679
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: that it is the latest thing that has been going on.

680
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: It seems like it's all doom and gloom according to Reddit.

681
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: I'll keep thinking on it and see what i'll do.

682
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: I'm at least going to be working on myself, that's

683
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 2: for sure. Edit too, Reddit is so harsh on cheap

684
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 2: engagement rings.

685
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, dude, Sorry, let's just see that coming.

686
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: It almost makes me think half of you are working

687
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 2: in the jewelry industry. It's only a ring. It shouldn't

688
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: be the basis of the entire relationship. I don't know

689
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: if it's an American thing, but spending five hundred dollars

690
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 2: on a ring is considered fair over here.

691
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Speaker 4: I don't Okay, Well, it's not just an American thing.

692
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 4: I can tell you that, but.

693
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Speaker 2: I guess in America, my friends who are engaged or

694
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 2: married have spent in the range of two hundred to

695
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: one thousand, and it has not been not been a

696
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: contentious problem for them. And it four. People are still

697
00:32:55,440 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: commenting on the price of the ring. I'm not from America.

698
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: Everyone I talked to was fine with the price of it. Heck,

699
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 2: not everyone over here proposes with a ring. It's definitely

700
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: just Americans who are this obsessed with engagement rings. Not

701
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,560
Speaker 2: true to c. As for the relationship, the reason why

702
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 2: she rejected the proposal was that she felt some slight

703
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 2: feelings for someone at work.

704
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: Yikes.

705
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,239
Speaker 2: She never acted on those feelings, but she said they

706
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: were there. She moved in with her parents for a

707
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 2: week to sort out her feelings and found out she

708
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: did love me and not the other guy. Is that

709
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: good enough to warrant me taking her back. I don't know,

710
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 2: but I'm trying to figure that out. I'll make my

711
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 2: decision over this week. As for the ring, I'm past it.

712
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 2: I don't give enough about it or the money anymore.

713
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: Atit five. I've actually read every single comment on this post,

714
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 2: and I appreciate all of you who have been supportive

715
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: and given great advice, aside from the people who are

716
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 2: obsessing over the ring. Unfortunately, it feels like I'm going

717
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: the way the people have Reddit are proclaiming I'm propa

718
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: going to end it soon and at sick. I think

719
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 2: a lot of people are misunderstanding the engagement. It's probably

720
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: because I hadn't been clear in my post. After one

721
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 2: and a half years, we were having an exceptional time

722
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 2: together and we both saw ourselves getting married. At some point,

723
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: I told her jokingly if we should get engaged, and

724
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: she told me she wanted it to be done properly,

725
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 2: with a ring and at a time when she wouldn't

726
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 2: know in advance, but that she would appreciate if it

727
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: happened sometime within six months. Six months later, I was

728
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: sure nothing had changed because everything was still the same

729
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: to me. We enjoyed ourselves and were building a future together.

730
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: When I got rejected at the proposal, I was utterly

731
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,760
Speaker 2: whiplashed because we sort of already agreed that we wanted

732
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 2: to be engaged. I've been feeling sick all day since

733
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 2: I posted this on Reddit. I couldn't even finish my

734
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: shift at work today because I cannot distract myself. From

735
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,239
Speaker 2: what's going through my mind, I can see this was

736
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: already doomed the moment I posted here. I realize that

737
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 2: now I guess I'd need subconscious confirmation or something. I

738
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: feel sick to my core, but there is no other

739
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: way of escaping it. Even though most people on Reddit

740
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: seem to think she's horrible, I honestly don't carry any

741
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: ill will towards her. I wish she communicated with me

742
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: back when she was changing her mind, but after coming

743
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: back from her break at her parents, she has tried

744
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: to work on herself. Unfortunately, I think she broke something

745
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 2: irreplaceable inside me on the day of the proposal, which

746
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 2: I've tried to get over to save our relationship. But

747
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 2: I'm conceding defeat because I cannot live with myself this way.

748
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: Edit seven day I broke the news, lots of crying

749
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: for both of us. She tells me that she loves

750
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 2: me and doesn't want to give up our relationship. I

751
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 2: tell her I'm depressed and haven't gotten over the failed proposal.

752
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 2: She says she couldn't control her feelings, but no, she

753
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: loves me. I said it's for the best if she

754
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 2: moves back with her parents, and she wonders for how long,

755
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know, but at least for December

756
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,439
Speaker 2: most likely. She told me I could take as long

757
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: as I wanted. My plan is to live my best life,

758
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: and if I miss her still, maybe we could try again.

759
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: If not end it for good. For anyone thinking she's

760
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: been cheating, she has not, nor do I think she will.

761
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 2: Final edit. We've had a long, difficult talk together and

762
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: we've come to the conclusion that we are going to

763
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 2: work through our problems together. For anyone dealing with the

764
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: relationship troubles, stay the f off Reddit. Most people on

765
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: here are so bitter they want to ruin everyone else's

766
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: relationships as well. There are a couple of great people

767
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: here with experience that made me sway the other way,

768
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: as well as the conversation I had, Thank you and

769
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: edit eight you lie to people, You liar. I didn't

770
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: get time yesterday to properly write the update I wanted to,

771
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 2: but a lot of people here are wondering what the

772
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 2: ring looks like, so here it is. There is a

773
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 2: link to the ring.

774
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: Yes, click, I'm on it.

775
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

776
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 2: Just don't buy anything from this merch and unless you're

777
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: one hundred percent content on keeping whatever you buy.

778
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that, like, compared to all the

779
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 4: other stories that we've been reading today, yours is definitely

780
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 4: a relationship that can be worked on. I do worry

781
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 4: about the kind of cavalierness of how she took all

782
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 4: of that, but I don't think it's you know, I

783
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 4: think it's definitely something that you could work on. I

784
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: don't think it means you know, it's completely over. I

785
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 4: would agree, yeah, And it seems like you got you

786
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: both are willing to work on it, so you know,

787
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 4: maybe just don't get rid of that ring.

788
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,439
Speaker 2: Yet, other people are doubting our relationship because they're so

789
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:42,280
Speaker 2: sure my girlfriend cheated. I know for a fact she didn't,

790
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: and I stand by that. Others are asking for an

791
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 2: update after some months, and I'll do that. I think

792
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: I'll prove most of Reddit wrong that it will not

793
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,720
Speaker 2: be a mistake. But if I'm wrong, I'll be humbled.

794
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: At least. After waking up today, I felt a lot

795
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: better about the entire situation, and I honestly think this

796
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: was the best outcome. I love her and I still

797
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 2: think she's the one for me, but we've got relationship

798
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 2: challenges that face us, and rather than give up in

799
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 2: the face of trouble, we'd rather try to get through

800
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: those challenges than just give up again. Thanks to the

801
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 2: people sending support. I appreciate you guys. And that's the

802
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: end of that storyo Pe. The guy I'm talking to is.

803
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 4: Already taken, and he kept it a secret.

804
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 2: That's cheating.

805
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,879
Speaker 4: I nineteen female, met Kieran twenty two male in late

806
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 4: May twenty twenty four on a dating app and we

807
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: hit it off immediately. I've never clicked with anyone so fast.

808
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 4: Important context, we discovered he went to high school with

809
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 4: my cousin Molly and was friends with her. My uncle

810
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 4: was actually one of his favorite teachers. By the way,

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Speaker 4: this comes from Cautious Koala thirteen sixty one. And if

812
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 4: you want to smit your own stories, go to.

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Speaker 2: The r slash Okay storytime.

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Speaker 3: Suburt.

815
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Speaker 2: I'm Sophia, I'm Carl, I'm Angie.

816
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: We're here to give good advice youuofully, but we don't

817
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 4: have all the answers. We only know what we'd do,

818
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 4: so let us know what you would do in the comments,

819
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: and Op says after getting my number, we texted non

820
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 4: stop for nearly two weeks, with nightly FaceTime calls lasting

821
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 4: seven plus hours. He was extremely thirty and overtly and

822
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 4: overtly romantic. I'm sensitive to love bombing, but this felt different.

823
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 4: Maybe that was my mistake. I asked Molly about him,

824
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 4: and she had nothing but glowing things to say, as

825
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: did my uncle. We spent one perfect day together in

826
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 4: person before everything went suck. When I asked where he

827
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 4: saw things going, he sent a long message saying he

828
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 4: didn't want a relationship because he was working on himself

829
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: and couldn't commit. He apologized, said he didn't mean to

830
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: lead me on, and added that he could still see

831
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 4: us ending up together. He just asked me to be

832
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 4: patient and myself. And at that point, if you don't

833
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 4: want a casual relationship, you say no, right. It sounds

834
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: like you don't want a casual relationship, so you.

835
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 2: Just gotta end it.

836
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: I know how naive that sounds now. I told him

837
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 4: it was okay then, since screenshots of the sweet things

838
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: he said and told him not to say things like

839
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,280
Speaker 4: that if he didn't mean them, I figured we were done.

840
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 4: I cried, felt disappointed, and started trying to move on,

841
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 4: but he didn't leave For the past year, Kieran and

842
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 4: I have have had consistent, frequent contact. We got to

843
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 4: know each other incredibly well. At first, I was fine

844
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 4: with just being friends, but a few months in he

845
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 4: started flirting again. I completely fell for him. He's got

846
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 4: the most incredible mind, sensitive, kind, stubborn into a fault, sharp, witty,

847
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:46,760
Speaker 4: and incredibly hard worker.

848
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: And a cheater and a cheater. He's curious, passionate, logical

849
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 2: almost to a fault. Maybe the faults.

850
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 4: He's a cheater and ridiculously intelligent, and a cheating cheater.

851
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: He made me see things I didn't know I wanted

852
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 4: in a person. He challenges me intellectually and spiritually makes

853
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: me want to grow. When I had major back surgery,

854
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: he sent the sweetest messages in the hospital, reminding me

855
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,479
Speaker 4: I was beautiful and saying he hoped it would help.

856
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 4: When I spiraled, he grounded and reassured me so easily.

857
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: I've never met anyone like him. Here's a timeline of

858
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,919
Speaker 4: some moments that stood out. October, at a football game,

859
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 4: I mentioned it was cold. He replied, I could warm

860
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 4: you up with a hug if I was there. November,

861
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 4: after losing friends over the election, he went on about

862
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 4: how amazing I am and.

863
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: How grateful he was to still have me.

864
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 4: December, he'd send a random text like, Hey, just wanted

865
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: to let you know you're beautiful?

866
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 2: Are these the good things that you're telling us about?

867
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: Is all the good things he does? Just tell you

868
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 2: that you're beautiful, giving you attention.

869
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: She's like, he compliments me, so he must be the one.

870
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,439
Speaker 4: When I once joked, mister last name, is that sarcasm

871
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 4: I'm sensing, he replied, why, yes, darling, it is.

872
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 6: Isn't that supposed to be like really impressive guys, Darling,

873
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,400
Speaker 6: He's so funny and charismatic guys I can like overlook

874
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 6: the cheating because of this.

875
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 4: He responded to an Instagram story with your blushing, I said,

876
00:42:17,560 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 4: I was hot temperature, and he replied, very true.

877
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 2: Girl, girl, this is cringey. Do we have their ages?

878
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, because this is crazy.

879
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 2: I think maybe what you were saying is.

880
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 4: That this is proof of him flirting, which is true

881
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,919
Speaker 4: for sure, sure flirting, And maybe I just this isn't

882
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 4: proof of him.

883
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:40,840
Speaker 3: Being like a great guy.

884
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: I hope not, because it's just proof that he's flirting.

885
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,879
Speaker 3: They're in their late twenties. No, this is like high

886
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 3: school behavior, high school style flirting.

887
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 4: Oh pee, oh pe April, he noticed I dyed my

888
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 4: hair darker and called it cute. He said I was

889
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: as gorgeous as ever and joked he was surprised I

890
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 4: had a swooped up yet.

891
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 2: For his birthday, I.

892
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 4: Sent a list of twenty two things I love about

893
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 4: him and a cameo from a TV creator he admires May.

894
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: He called late one night just to talk. Got concerned

895
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 4: about being me, being outside alone, and kept repeating someone

896
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 4: could snatch me up.

897
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,280
Speaker 2: Specifically, he could.

898
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 4: We joked about going blind, and he said if that happened,

899
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 4: he'd never see my smile again. I accidentally mentioned I

900
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 4: had a photo album of our screenshots. When I joked

901
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 4: about him dating Molly just to see my uncle more,

902
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 4: he said, no, I think I just date you. Yeah,

903
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 4: so I guess I guess this is just proof that

904
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 4: he's sleeping.

905
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: I know, but it also just has these underlying tones

906
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: of like, isn't that so sweet? And yeah, it's hurting me,

907
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 2: it hurts me. June July, more flirting.

908
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 4: When I had a crisis about going back to blonde,

909
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 4: he begged me to stay dark, calling it super gorgeous

910
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: with my eyes. He reacted to another story with your

911
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 4: eyes wow wow starry emojis. He started writing a book

912
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: and sent me chapters as he finished them, even added

913
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 4: me to the dock to leave edits. I poured my

914
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 4: heart into my feedback, praised his mind and his talent.

915
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 4: One night in late June, he facetimed me close to

916
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,879
Speaker 4: midnight for help with dialogue. We stayed on long after

917
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: we finished, and he eventually fell asleep on the call,

918
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: but his reactions to me flirting back got weirder. I

919
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 4: asked him if it made him uncomfortable and said I

920
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 4: could stop just trying to match his energy.

921
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: He replied, that's not what I want to have happened.

922
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 3: You can say those things.

923
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 4: I'm just bad at taking compliments. Still, things felt off.

924
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 4: I asked if I was actually going to see him again,

925
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 4: or if that had just been a hypothetical no reply.

926
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,680
Speaker 4: The next day, he messaged me with the subject change.

927
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 4: When I called him on it, he replied, HM, I

928
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 4: don't have an answer.

929
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:54,960
Speaker 3: Uh huh.

930
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 4: That night, I accidentally sent a long message i'd been

931
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 4: drafting and immediately unsent it, but he saw the next day,

932
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: I said screw it and sent it anyway. I told

933
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 4: him I didn't understand why he'd still talk to me

934
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 4: if he didn't want anything real. Pretending didn't protect my feelings.

935
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 4: I gave him an out, which I'd done twice before,

936
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: and he never took. The conversation was awkward and tense,

937
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 4: but we ended up bantering again. He left me on delivered,

938
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 4: but I noticed he had saved a voice memo from

939
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 4: two months prior, meaning he'd been strolling back through our messages.

940
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 4: Then Instagram suggested a profile Veronica twenty three female. Her

941
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 4: picture was of her and Kieran at a wedding reception.

942
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 2: My heart dropped. It was immediate physical pain. Oh, we

943
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 2: didn't know yet because.

944
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 4: She's just finding out that there is another woman. I

945
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 4: searched Facebook and found more. The photo was from June,

946
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: less than a month old. I found another from August

947
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 4: of last year, two months after he told me he

948
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 4: was working on himself. Then remembered to Facebook post from

949
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 4: December him tagged at a family gingerbread party with his parents' sisters,

950
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 4: their partner's him, and her. That same week, he was

951
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 4: texting me, calling me darling and telling me I was beautiful.

952
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 4: I sat in shock for six hours, replaying everything from

953
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: the past year. I desperately looked for proof they weren't

954
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 4: really together, clinging to silly details like her profiles still

955
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 4: saying single.

956
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 2: At four thirty am, I.

957
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 4: Posted a vague, cryptic story Kieran was the only one

958
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 4: on my close friend's list, not in a manipulative way.

959
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 4: I just often shared things meant for him.

960
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: All right, he texted the next morning. You good.

961
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:43,800
Speaker 4: I replied that I wasn't. When he pressed, I explained

962
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 4: I saw a profile pick that made me question everything.

963
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,319
Speaker 4: He asked who, and I said I didn't know how

964
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: to answer, mirroring how he had avoided answering. When I

965
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: asked if I'd ever see him again, he got cold

966
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 4: and short. Even without confirmation, his reaction felt selfish, considering

967
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 4: I was obviously hurting. A few days later, I reached out,

968
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 4: asking for help with the theater scene.

969
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 2: He called helped.

970
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: Then we got into a deep debate about Shakespeare's relevance. Ironically,

971
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 4: he insisted he never related to a Shakespeare character, right

972
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: before making an offhand comment about maybe being married next year.

973
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: That was my opening. I asked if he was dating someone. Suddenly,

974
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 4: his tea bag was the most interesting thing in the world.

975
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 4: When I asked again, he said yes. He I asked

976
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 4: why he never told me?

977
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 3: You never asked?

978
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I didn't know when I found someone on

979
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: a dating app that my first question had to be hey,

980
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 2: or you're dating relationship I should know about.

981
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's like you never you never even asked me

982
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 4: about my relationship.

983
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: That's so rude of you.

984
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 4: I asked how long they'd been together. He dodged that

985
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,760
Speaker 4: no straight answer, and I ended the call soon after

986
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 4: his discomfort with my tone. Shift said it all that night.

987
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 4: I couldn't sleep. By four am, I'd written and sent

988
00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 4: a message laying it all out. I told him this

989
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 4: wasn't appropriate behavior from someone with a girlfriend. I brought

990
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 4: up the flirting compliments calls, his I just date you

991
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 4: line from two months ago. I pointed out the emotional

992
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 4: intimacy of sharing his book and letting my and letting

993
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 4: me pour my heart out to another girl's boyfriend that

994
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 4: he knew I loved him, and still told me you

995
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 4: can say those things. I called it emotional cheating. It's

996
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,840
Speaker 4: been two and a half days, no response. Do I

997
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 4: tell Veronica, I feel like Jean Valjean. If I speak,

998
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 4: I am condemned.

999
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 2: If I stay silent, I damned.

1000
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's how she feels, condemned to lose him forever

1001
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 4: and be seen as the villain, damned for letting another

1002
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 4: girl suffer in silence the way I did, just like

1003
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:51,880
Speaker 4: Jean Beljean.

1004
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,720
Speaker 2: Tell the girl and block him.

1005
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and my aunt and friends say I should tell her.

1006
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 4: But what if she thinks I'm crazy? Maybe she knows

1007
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 4: about me.

1008
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 2: Maybe he's just like this with everyone and she's okay

1009
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: with it. Girl, you have proof. Just send it to her.

1010
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, but even if she knows of me, I doubt

1011
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 4: she knows what he's saying to me behind her back.

1012
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: Any final thoughts.

1013
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 4: Tell his girlfriend, Yeah, tell his girlfriend. You got enough

1014
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 4: proof even if you know I don't know.

1015
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 3: That was good.

1016
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 2: That's enough.

1017
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 4: You don't need that much proof to be like, yeah,

1018
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 4: he's been texting me for months. I didn't know he

1019
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:23,640
Speaker 4: had a girlfriend.

1020
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: And then like, Okay, if she knows about it, she's

1021
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 2: fine with it, that's that.

1022
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I say he's done a job. I

1023
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 4: need perspective. Was this really as bad as it felt?

1024
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 4: Or would Veronica see the scream chance and think it

1025
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 4: was nothing. My friends are on my side, but maybe

1026
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 4: they're biased. I want to be a girl's girl, but

1027
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 4: I'm scared i'd just.

1028
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: Be making it worse.

1029
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,600
Speaker 4: I mean, you will be making it worse, but in

1030
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 4: the long run, you're making it better.

1031
00:49:45,080 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: She needs to know. Does it make me awful that

1032
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 2: my first instinct is to stay quiet?

1033
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,399
Speaker 4: No, but it would make you not great if your

1034
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 4: second instinct was to stay quiet. That's some tiny part

1035
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 4: of me still loves him and hopes he'll come back someday.

1036
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: You don't love him, You don't love him. I'd never

1037
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: se sabotage their relationship. You're not sabotaging it. He ruined it.

1038
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 4: He's cheating on his girlfriend. But if it ended naturally,

1039
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 4: am I disgusting for not wanting to burn the bridge completely?

1040
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 4: I don't want to be the obsessive teen you read

1041
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 4: too much into nothing and tried to blow up someone

1042
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 4: else's happiness. I'll tell her if people say I should,

1043
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 4: I want to do the right thing. He was on

1044
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 4: a dating app.

1045
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be so real. I am leaning towards you

1046
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: would be the a hole. If their relationship ends and

1047
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 2: you date this guy, I agree, But am I the

1048
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: ale for being tempted to just leave it alone?

1049
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: You're not the a hole, but don't do it. You're

1050
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 4: not the a hole for being tempted, but just don't

1051
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 4: do it. That's the end of the story. Text the

1052
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: girlfriends say, hey, met this guy on a dating app.

1053
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 2: We've been flirting. Didn't realize you were in the picture.

1054
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:46,840
Speaker 4: Sorry, Then leave it behind, breakup, I mean not breakup,

1055
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 4: block him all.

1056
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 2: That, and that's the end of this story. We're gonna

1057
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: go to the next one. Hey, y'all, it's John og

1058
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 2: Host here. We're gonna get back to the stories. But

1059
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Speaker 2: here's a quick three minute break from as for more sponsors.

1060
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Speaker 2: My boyfriend's friend to sad on his lap and he

1061
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 2: acts like it's nothing. That's kind of something. I late

1062
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 2: twenties females started dating a guy also late twenties. I

1063
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 2: met through a mutual friend a few months ago. He

1064
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 2: was amazing and sweet and we hit it off immediately.

1065
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 2: Lots in common, easy to talk to, fun to be around.

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00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: By the way, this comes from Numerous Priority three ninety six.

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Speaker 2: And if you want us to make your own stories,

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Speaker 2: go to the r slash Okay Storyteme subreddit. I'm Carly,

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Speaker 2: I'm Sophia, I'm Angie, and we're here to give good

1070
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Speaker 2: advice goofully, but we don't have all the answers. We

1071
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 2: only know what we would do, So let us know

1072
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: what you would do in the comments. As Opie says,

1073
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 2: we went on a lot of dates and hung out

1074
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: quite a bit. We had plenty of discussions regarding boundaries

1075
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: and expectations, but there was one I didn't have in

1076
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 2: in depth conversation about expectations with female friends. I have

1077
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:55,280
Speaker 2: both male and female friends, and I treat them the same.

1078
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 2: I don't hang all over my female friends, cuddle with them,

1079
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 2: or sit on their lap, so obviously I don't do

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00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: that with my male friends either. To me, it's extremely

1081
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 2: inappropriate and questionable. Yesterday, Tyler invited me to a barbecue

1082
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 2: with one of his friend groups. I thought it would

1083
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: be great to see him with his friends. I'm a

1084
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,200
Speaker 2: big believer in watching how your significant other behaves around

1085
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 2: and treats family and friends. You can learn a lot

1086
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 2: from this. When we arrived, there was a good mix

1087
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: of his guy friends and female friends. As we were introduced,

1088
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 2: all his female friends gave him a hug Hello I

1089
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 2: had no issue with that. If I haven't seen a

1090
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 2: friend in a long time, I'll give them a hug too.

1091
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:41,120
Speaker 2: If it had stopped there, I would have had no problem. Oh,

1092
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: but it didn't. Within the first ten minutes, various female

1093
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 2: friends would come up to him, put their arms around

1094
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: him while he stood there talking, lay their heads on

1095
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 2: his shoulders.

1096
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 4: If it was one girl, I'd be more inclined to

1097
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 4: be like, that's little. I still think he'll PI has

1098
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: a right to be like, hey, it doesn't you know.

1099
00:52:56,680 --> 00:53:00,919
Speaker 4: I don't love that. However, I think it's like it's

1100
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:05,720
Speaker 4: less alarm bells to me because all like multiple friends.

1101
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: I would think as a female, though, knowing that it's

1102
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 2: the first time that I'm meeting my friend's girlfriend, I'd

1103
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 2: probably be a little bit more Yeah, I agree, I'd

1104
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 2: be respecting boundaries.

1105
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, which is why I think it's it's fair for

1106
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 4: OP to be like eh, but I do think on it,

1107
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 4: like in defense of her boyfriend, I think that's like

1108
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 4: less of an alarm.

1109
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 2: I started to feel very uncomfortable when we sat down

1110
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:33,360
Speaker 2: after being there for an hour. One of his female

1111
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 2: friends came up and sat on his lap while I

1112
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 2: was sitting next to him, and he did nothing.

1113
00:53:39,320 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 4: To stop it. And that's where it crosses a line.

1114
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: That's crossing.

1115
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:49,480
Speaker 2: I've never dancing on my line at the like constant

1116
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 2: hugging and leaning and like just like overly, like all

1117
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 2: over them. I didn't say anything at the time. I

1118
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 2: just gave Tyler a look like what the heck? He smiled,

1119
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 2: and I quietly grabbed my purse and went to the

1120
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 2: bathroom and took a few deep breaths. I texted Tyler

1121
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: saying I wasn't feeling comfortable and was going home. He

1122
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:10,840
Speaker 2: asked if I was okay, and I said no, but

1123
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: we'd talk later. I would fully stand up and go,

1124
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,919
Speaker 2: oh my god, you can have my seat. I'll take

1125
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 2: that one, that one's mine. Woo nice. He just said okay.

1126
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 2: I walked out of the bathroom and she was still

1127
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: sitting on his lap. She was watching everything. We were texting.

1128
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's doing that on purpose, and he's at her

1129
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 4: oblivious or he doesn't really like he's what.

1130
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 2: Though, that's pretty And she's staying on his lap while

1131
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: I got into my car and left. After I got

1132
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 2: home and calmed down, I prepared what I was going

1133
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,959
Speaker 2: to say. He showed up five minutes later, pissed off

1134
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 2: because I actually left. He thought I was just saying

1135
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 2: I was gonna leave to make him go after me,

1136
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 2: and was shocked when I actually did it. I feel

1137
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: like he wanted to make you jealous. That's what it

1138
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: feels like.

1139
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 4: Either there's something going on with this girl or he

1140
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 4: wanted to make you jealous, which is so ikey.

1141
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 2: He went off about how I was being over dramatic

1142
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: and embarrassed him in front of his friends. My mouth

1143
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: dropped and I just sat there staring at him. He

1144
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: went on to say that they were all just friends

1145
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 2: and there was nothing between any of them, and he

1146
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 2: thought I was different because I said, I don't get

1147
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 2: jealous when men have female friends.

1148
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 3: There's nothing between you guys because you're too close to

1149
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:23,839
Speaker 3: each other.

1150
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 4: Again, I am super supportive of men and women having

1151
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 4: opposite gender friends because I have many of them, and

1152
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,560
Speaker 4: so does my boyfriend.

1153
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a line drawn totally.

1154
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 4: This is absolutely drawing a line.

1155
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 2: This is where the bad stigma of having yeah friends

1156
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: comes from.

1157
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 4: All is like, this crosses a line so hard.

1158
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: And I said, I couldn't expect him to change how

1159
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: he is with his friends. I stayed calm, and for

1160
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 2: the life of me, I don't know how I did it.

1161
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: I explained, I didn't expect him to change. He could

1162
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 2: be however he wanted with his female friends. I didn't

1163
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 2: freak out or throw I calmly exited the situation.

1164
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 4: I felt uncomfortable and he could do whatever he wants.

1165
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,320
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean you have to stay with them, yep.

1166
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: I then explained that while he was fine with it,

1167
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 2: I was not, and we should just go our separate ways.

1168
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 2: He started freaking out even more, saying that my boundaries

1169
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 2: shouldn't keep him from seeing his friends and being the

1170
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 2: way he's always been. I told him, you're right, they don't.

1171
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 2: They keep me from dating someone who lacks boundaries with

1172
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,959
Speaker 2: his female friends. He did not like hearing that. Then

1173
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: he went off again about how I wasn't even going

1174
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 2: to give him the opportunity to create those boundaries and change. Nope.

1175
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't help it. I started laughing. At a certain

1176
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 2: point it became comical. I told him, no, I wouldn't

1177
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 2: give him that opportunity, but perhaps he could create boundaries

1178
00:56:49,320 --> 00:56:52,360
Speaker 2: now with them, so any future women he dates won't

1179
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 2: feel this way.

1180
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, Ope, he you're killing you. You are crushing

1181
00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 4: it man.

1182
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,799
Speaker 2: Or he could find someone without the cell respect to

1183
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: accept this. He flipped. I stayed calm throughout the entire conversation,

1184
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 2: which in retrospect might have made him angrier. He started

1185
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: saying how he only slept with one girl in the group,

1186
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:15,319
Speaker 2: and after they broke up, she kept hanging on him

1187
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 2: and sitting on his lap. His other female friends just

1188
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 2: took their cues from her. It wasn't that deep, and

1189
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,920
Speaker 2: he could just tell them to stop when they're around me.

1190
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 2: I reminded him of what he said about it not

1191
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 2: being fair that he should have to change, and also

1192
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: that only doing it behind my back would have just

1193
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 2: made it worse, not better. I explained that this wasn't

1194
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: the right relationship for me and that I wanted to

1195
00:57:36,920 --> 00:57:40,080
Speaker 2: break up. He freaked out again, and I asked him

1196
00:57:40,120 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 2: to leave. He stormed out. Since then, he's been blowing

1197
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 2: up my phone asking for another chance, swearing he'll put

1198
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 2: boundaries in place when I'm there, and when I'm not,

1199
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 2: then he'll switch to saying I'm overreacting about the whole thing.

1200
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 2: He must have given his friends my number, because now

1201
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 2: some of them are blowing up my phone saying I'm

1202
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:04,600
Speaker 2: immature and not able to handle real adult friendships and relationships.

1203
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,000
Speaker 2: I've started blocking them all. We're supposed to meet up

1204
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: tomorrow to give each other our stuff back from our

1205
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: respective homes. He said he wants to talk more about

1206
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 2: this then, So am I overreacting for breaking it off

1207
00:58:16,560 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: with him after seeing how he interacts with female friends.

1208
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: Any advice for the planned meetup? And we do have

1209
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: an update? Stay broken up?

1210
00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 3: You're good?

1211
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, stay broken up.

1212
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 3: I'm scared for the update then, because this seems so

1213
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: easy to end right now. Yeah, but I don't know

1214
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,320
Speaker 3: what's gonna happen.

1215
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 2: Let's find out. The mutual friend called me very upset

1216
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 2: and went off on me.

1217
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:38,959
Speaker 4: Oh my god.

1218
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: She said she was the one in the friend group

1219
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:47,040
Speaker 2: that slept within school who don't care. She hooked us

1220
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,960
Speaker 2: up because her current boyfriend was also upset that she

1221
00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 2: behaved this way with Tyler, and she saw no problem

1222
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: with it. They haven't been together very long and he

1223
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 2: was getting jealous because she would hang all over time.

1224
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wonder why.

1225
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 2: She started encouraging the rest of the girls in the

1226
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,720
Speaker 2: friend group to act it the same way, so her

1227
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:10,400
Speaker 2: boyfriend could see it wasn't weird. When that didn't work,

1228
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: she thought she'd set Tyler up with me, thinking for

1229
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 2: sure I wouldn't get upset and she could use me

1230
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,480
Speaker 2: as an example of how her boyfriend should react. When

1231
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 2: she heard how I reacted, she was pissed. Her boyfriend

1232
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 2: found out. They got into a huge argument, and he

1233
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 2: left the house to stay with his parents. My gosh,

1234
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: she called me to go nuclear and blamed me for

1235
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 2: their breakup. Throughout her screaming tirade, I heard her say

1236
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: she let me have her favorite, and now that's ruined too.

1237
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 2: I asked her what she meant by that. She got

1238
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,240
Speaker 2: really quiet and hung up on me. Was I a

1239
00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 2: cover up so she could cheat on her boyfriend without

1240
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:49,200
Speaker 2: it seeming like she was? Yeah, I messaged my now ex.

1241
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 2: We had never defined anything other than exclusive, since it

1242
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 2: was so new anyway, I asked him if he was

1243
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: seeing her and what their relationship was. He said they

1244
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 2: were never a thing, just friends with a strong physical connection.

1245
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,320
Speaker 2: I thought they hooked up. I asked if it was

1246
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 2: still going on when we were together. He said, no,

1247
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 2: not physically close. I feel sick. We always use protection,

1248
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 2: but now I feel gross and like I should get

1249
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 2: an STI test. I told him I wanted to meet

1250
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 2: that afternoon to get this over with. I kind of

1251
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: feel like I walked into a whole soap opera. We

1252
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 2: have another update, dang man, should we just break Yeah,

1253
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: let's dive.

1254
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 4: Man, it got weirder.

1255
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,880
Speaker 2: Oh no, he didn't answer my text requesting to meet

1256
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 2: that afternoon at the park. He showed up to my

1257
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: house with the now ex friend. I wouldn't answer the door,

1258
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 2: and my car was in the garage so they didn't

1259
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: see it. Thank god for ring cameras. They stood there

1260
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 2: for fifteen minutes, banging on the door, and he even

1261
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 2: shoved his shoulder into the door, yelling I know you're

1262
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: in there. Oh my gosh.

1263
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 3: We called the police.

1264
01:00:57,560 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1265
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 3: Police.

1266
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,000
Speaker 2: My neighbor blessed I'm buying her flowers in a giant

1267
01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 2: tub of red vines, which are her favorite, walked out

1268
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 2: when she heard the banging and threatened to call the police.

1269
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 2: They just left, because who's gonna hurt grandma. He ended

1270
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 2: up texting me freaking out. I pretended I wasn't there

1271
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 2: and said I was sorry I missed him, but we'd

1272
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 2: still meet at the park In an hour or so.

1273
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: My neighbor, Gladdie's is a saint. Her grandson showed up

1274
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 2: to visit right as I was leaving, and she rushed

1275
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: out to catch me and asked if I was okay.

1276
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,240
Speaker 2: I told her what was going on, and her grandson

1277
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: offered to go with me, since Tyler seemed to be

1278
01:01:32,840 --> 01:01:33,880
Speaker 2: getting very unhinged.

1279
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:36,240
Speaker 3: I feel like we just shouldn't be going to that meetup.

1280
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 2: I said yes, obviously, and he went with me. I

1281
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,040
Speaker 2: got to the park and Tyler was sitting on a

1282
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: bench with a huge box. I had some toiletrees at

1283
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 2: his place, and that's it. I only had a few

1284
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: things to give him. My now ex friend was in

1285
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: the car looking livid. My neighbor's grandson, Kyle, was amazing

1286
01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 2: throughout the whole thing.

1287
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 4: I worry about him, though, I would. I would like

1288
01:01:58,360 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: tell someone like a friend gets get someone involved so

1289
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:04,160
Speaker 4: that you have someone to keep it safe.

1290
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 2: This is an insane reaction for what it started us.

1291
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 4: And instantly, yeah, I'm glad you like I'm glad.

1292
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,959
Speaker 2: You recognized it, Fox says Keon. Well, I'll tell you it.

1293
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:19,320
Speaker 2: It's in the box. None of the stuff in the

1294
01:02:19,360 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 2: box was mine, which I told him. I handed him

1295
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Speaker 2: his stuff and started to walk away. He started screaming

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01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 2: at me to take my stuff, but Kyle, who is

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Speaker 2: significantly larger and more muscular than Tyler, turned and basically

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01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,280
Speaker 2: stood like a wall between us. Tyler accused him of

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Speaker 2: interfering and said he'd call the police. As it turns out,

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Speaker 2: I did not know this ahead of time. Kyle's a sheriff, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Kyle the grandson. Yeah. He showed his badge and said,

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Speaker 2: that's a great idea. We left. I blocked, Oh, hello, sheriff,

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Speaker 2: Kyle is gonna come over next weekend and help me

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Speaker 2: install more security measures suitcase thing. Yeah, what a weekend

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Speaker 2: and that's the.

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Speaker 4: End of it.

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Speaker 3: Was crazy.

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Speaker 2: Wow wowie Wow. What story