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Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always so much

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Speaker 1: for tuning in. Big, big shout out to our super producer,

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Speaker 1: mister Max Willims.

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Speaker 2: What isn't that a thing? Is like a military thing?

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Speaker 2: Who Ah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's whoa, there's Hurrah, there's Nathan Otowski.

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Speaker 2: Hey, what it's like one of them's for Navy seals,

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Speaker 2: particularly in particular.

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Speaker 1: Believe yeah, I believe. I believe there are a couple

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Speaker 1: of different ones. It depends on the branch. And one

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Speaker 1: thing we can tell you folks as civilians, just ask,

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Speaker 1: don't they're gonna take it the wrong way if you

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Speaker 1: if you do an oohrah when you should do a hoorah?

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Speaker 2: What about a huzzah? You can never go wrong with

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Speaker 2: a hussa. I like as I like us very ren fair. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I've been bowling. You're no brown, and we are here

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Speaker 2: in person. Nathan Otowski by the way, as a dear

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Speaker 2: friend and coworker of ours. Not that people don't yell

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Speaker 2: Nathan Otowski in the arm service. That'd be cool. I

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Speaker 2: was about to say, it really does work as kind

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Speaker 2: of an exclamatory. Yes, my goodness, love it, love the energy.

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Speaker 1: This is a two parter that has a lot of

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Speaker 1: returning or turning guests and events.

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Speaker 2: Today we're coming in hot with that big bowing energy.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, we're gonna make it off the plane,

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Speaker 1: hopefully in one piece. Boeing's been getting u Boeing has

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Speaker 1: been getting put through the pr ringer.

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Speaker 2: Oh wait, because of like shoddy workmanship. Okay, let's not

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Speaker 2: blame it on the folks to build the planes. It's

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Speaker 2: more probably a top down issue, perhaps with maintenance and

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Speaker 2: checking on things like windows, seals, And wasn't there something

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Speaker 2: about a door flying open? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Yes, fight club style and regulation and why regulation is important.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about this on one of our other shows.

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Speaker 1: Stuff they don't want you to know. We also are

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Speaker 1: returning to some wacky World War II stuff we wanted

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Speaker 1: to w w way, sorry, perfect, We're returning to this

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Speaker 1: because we wanted to explore a story about Bowie that

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Speaker 1: is not the the unfortunate stuff you're hearing in the

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Speaker 1: news today.

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Speaker 3: Folks, also being what this episode is, is this some

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Speaker 3: sort of anniversary It.

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Speaker 2: Is our Washington episode? Oh snat, yeah, take that sous John. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: he gave that up long ago. It was always a ruse.

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Speaker 2: But I'm holding out. We're taking it serious. We're taking it.

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Speaker 2: We keep our promises. I have an entire doc that's right,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to eventually expand globally, like we have

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Speaker 1: to get to territories once we run out of states,

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Speaker 1: and then it's gonna be wild.

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Speaker 2: Giving me ideas right now.

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Speaker 1: I love it. I love you know what. We're idea people, Max,

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Speaker 1: We just hand out ideas. We're regular Don Draper's orphan factory.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, Yeah, that's the name of my new noise

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Speaker 1: metal band.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that's not just a phrase that I threw at you.

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Speaker 2: We discussed this off Mike, but today on Mike we're

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Speaker 2: discussing something different, some very crafty tactics deployed by the

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Speaker 2: Boeing Company that folds in the kind of stuff that

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Speaker 2: I think we all love, uh, involving theme park design.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Yes, I do love this.

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Speaker 1: What a great way in because this takes us back

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Speaker 1: to the time when everybody was striving for some sort

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Speaker 1: of edge in World War two.

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Speaker 2: Supremacy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of out of the box ideas like

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Speaker 1: runs in Oregon that Japan very unsuccessful.

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Speaker 2: They were bomb bombs. They bombed, they bombed on the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and so the bomba aside, we do know that

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Speaker 1: the reason we're mentioning theme parts here, one of these

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Speaker 1: things was a move of subterfuge, right, a feat of Imagineeri.

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Speaker 2: Telling lies no Papa. According to Rare Historical Photos, which

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Speaker 2: is a beautifully descriptive name for a website, Deceiving the

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Speaker 2: enemy as to what you are doing is not new.

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Speaker 2: Trying to hide positions from observation is not new. Trying

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they're not. They're not easy to move, right.

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Speaker 1: it off. We want to give a big special shout

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Speaker 1: out to Bill Yane over at Boeing one, who wrote

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Speaker 1: Boeing Wonderland the Fake Cities on America's West Coast for

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Speaker 2: That's one of our primary sources. Well, it's one of

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Speaker 2: our primary sources because Bill, I believe, is the descendant

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Speaker 2: that's the best primary source we could possibly have here.

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Speaker 2: So we will continue to shout out Bill throughout this

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Speaker 2: because we are liberally pulling from his incredible work and research.

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Speaker 2: Bill Big Bill, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Wild Bill Wild, Bill son of the employee at Boeing.

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Speaker 1: PLAYT two really quickly before we jump into it. Have

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Speaker 1: you guys seen the television series The English it is?

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Speaker 2: I believe it. It was a BBC production. I think

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Speaker 2: it's on Amazon now. Its stars Oh my goodness, she

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Speaker 2: played Mary Poppins and the Mary Poppins reboot. She's married

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Speaker 2: to the guy for who plays the dude who looks

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Speaker 2: forgetting is her name anyhow. It's a Western and it

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Speaker 2: is incredible. Emily Blood, Thank you, Emily Blood. It is

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Speaker 2: a Western and it is sweeping, John. It is sweeping

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Speaker 2: in its scope, absolutely beautiful cinematography, music, and the performances.

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Speaker 2: And it's another in what we're seeing in a long

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Speaker 2: Get you to a streamer and watch this as soon

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Speaker 2: as you can. Brought I don't even remember. I just

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Speaker 1: And also, uh, as anybody because a fan of history

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Speaker 2: But I agree with you the I know what it was,

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Speaker 2: you called him wild Bill, Yeah, and that's what That's

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Speaker 1: Like we have to realize that during World War Two,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and picture it, you know, as a Bill is

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Speaker 1: writing in his work for Warfare History Network. Within just

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting is, you know, there's this new

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Speaker 1: But I liked Monarch too, by the way, to show

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Speaker 2: But you also picture that view of a beach and

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Speaker 1: are they're having that moment you described. They're looking out

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Speaker 1: this propagandas everywhere Japanese Americans are getting interned.

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Speaker 2: In just a stunning misstep of justice.

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Speaker 1: Prison camps right right, yeahah, and the top brass is

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Speaker 1: also very worried about this, just like American civilians. Let's

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Speaker 1: introduce General John help me with this one, John, liz Ny.

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Speaker 2: That's a risk. That is what you'd call unga paka.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's like they just a hat on a hat,

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Speaker 2: like wouldn't Lesnie be enough. It's got to be.

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Speaker 1: It feels like it feels like if you went into

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Speaker 3: We serve, we serve they shall we served that a

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Speaker 1: We cannot legally call this lasagna. Uh so for tax purposes,

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Speaker 1: it's Lesney.

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Speaker 2: And much like revenge is to dish best served cold.

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Speaker 2: But we do have General John Lesesney do it, do it?

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Speaker 2: And he is the commander of the fourth U. S

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Speaker 2: much like the civilians who are picturing these invading, you know,

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Speaker 1: He's staying up awake at night, worried about spies and

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Speaker 1: I think it feels like it is.

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Speaker 2: There's a TV show or a movie where there's a

434
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Speaker 2: family called the Knutsens, and it's just it's escaping me. AnyWho,

435
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 2: This guy understands the industry of mass production. He comes

436
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 2: from the automotive industry that we're just talking about. He

437
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: was an executive and he was the president of a

438
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: little company called General Motors. Never heard of it. Yeah,

439
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,119
Speaker 2: since the Year of Our Lord nineteen hundred and thirty

440
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 2: seven was actually the year that my father was born.

441
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Speaker 1: Interesting fact, getting to know you, getting to know all

442
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: about you. No, that's interesting, and also it's also it

443
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: reminds me two of the car stuff. We did episodes

444
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 1: of this on car stuff because they have a huge

445
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,159
Speaker 1: resource allocation problem. For anybody's a fan of something like

446
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: sim city or civilization, all resource management games. Ninety percent

447
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: of all the manufacturing capability for aircraft in the US

448
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: nineteen forty ninety percent of it is in five states,

449
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: and sixty five percent of this manufacturing power is along

450
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Speaker 1: or near the coast. California, often thought to be the

451
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: most vulnerable state on the West Coast, has forty four

452
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Speaker 1: percent of all the aircraft making stuff. They're very visible,

453
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 1: they're very vulnerable. The same battle group that had attacked

454
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 1: Pearl Harbor had just been camped out two hundred miles

455
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: off the Malibu.

456
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 2: Coast, and.

457
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Speaker 1: If they attacked, then pretty much most of the US

458
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Speaker 1: airplane manufacturing ability would be gone in moments. And everybody

459
00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: knew this. This was an acknowledged fact. They said, we're

460
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: gonna build these factories Inland. We're gonna go to Illinois, Michigan,

461
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: shut out max Missouri and Texas.

462
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 2: Uh.

463
00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: But like you said, Noel, they still need time. You

464
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: can't just do this by Tuesday. No, No, this is

465
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: very nuts and bolts literally. So it was clear that

466
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: this is going to require a lot of planning. Ka

467
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Nutsten obviously had the smarts, you know, to understand the

468
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: organization of a giant company that manufactures, but they also

469
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: needed someone that really could dial in the logistics of

470
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 1: all of this stuff, you know, in reality on the grounds.

471
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

472
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, they needed a guy who thought out of the box,

473
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: and they found that person, Major John Francis Omer Junior.

474
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Speaker 1: Let's learn a little bit about him. He's an Ohio

475
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: guy born in Dayton, eighteen ninety one.

476
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: Buckeye state, isn't that one? Ohio is?

477
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: Yes?

478
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 2: Cool, and he is.

479
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 1: His father is an inventor, manufacturer, a business owner. And

480
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: John gets a master's degree in engineering, sort of following,

481
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, his father's inventive footsteps. He has attended Cornell University,

482
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: he joins the military, uh service in World War One,

483
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,640
Speaker 1: and then he when he comes back from the war,

484
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: he's in the family business. But he's still he's still

485
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: a member of the Reserve Corps.

486
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Speaker 2: You know. It's interesting. I was thinking about how, when

487
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Speaker 2: we talk about the history of the country at this time,

488
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: a lot of the top minds and top you know

489
00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: kind of thinkers were military officials as well, because it

490
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 2: was just the thing to do, right you know. I

491
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: mean it was like, yeah, if you want to be

492
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 2: considered a team player, you were going to join, you know,

493
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: the military. Yeah.

494
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Speaker 1: It's interesting you mention that, because I think culturally in

495
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: the West, for a very long time, it was considered

496
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: the right and moral thing. It was like it was

497
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Speaker 1: a right of passage. You didn't need a law that

498
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: said everybody had to join the military because it was

499
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Speaker 1: expected to do so. It wasn't until the US became

500
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: increasingly siding Vietnam War, Drean War and stuff.

501
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, people really kind of trusted the government to a

502
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 2: certain degree, and at least on paper, you know, the

503
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: government was maybe a little more trustworthy. I don't know

504
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 2: what you think that's me. I don't know. I don't know, man,

505
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 2: we I mean, neither of us were there.

506
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: Uh, it's it's probably demographically dependent, right, So I'm sure

507
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: if you're a straight white dude, then things are better.

508
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 2: Opportunities abound. There we go, there we go.

509
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: And so, uh, there's another fact here that just really

510
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: sticks out to me. Our buddy Omer is a renaissance man.

511
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: He loves photography. He is an amateur magician.

512
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 2: I love magic so much. I don't trust age magician. Hey,

513
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: that's fair. I find him smug enough. Hey, look, it's

514
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: all it's all in your stage banter. But I've always

515
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: been fascinated with sleight of hand and like you know,

516
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 2: stage magic, close close up magic is super cool. I

517
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: know one cool card trick where I can make a

518
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 2: card disappear, but that's all I've got. But I'm big

519
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: fan of that, and it just you know, I see

520
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 2: what you're saying. It is a it is a discipline

521
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 2: that is entirely based on bullshiting you. But that kind

522
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: of serves, right, and we're talking about here. It's perfect casting, right.

523
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: So he uh, he starts getting interested in different other

524
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: artistic endeavors.

525
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: And this is a true story, folks. He gets super.

526
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: Into camouflage like that becomes his hobby.

527
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: And I've just pictoried.

528
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Speaker 1: Like if online dating was a thing at this point,

529
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Speaker 1: I would love to see this guy's profile where he's like,

530
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: my interest include camouflage, just the idea of it's a

531
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: cool look.

532
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: It's easy to take it for granted today because you

533
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: think about camouflage and you think about it more as

534
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: like an interesting fashion choice reality, but it is in

535
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 2: and of itself a kind of technology, and we start

536
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: talking about things like dazzle camouflage where they use these

537
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: weird striped patterns on warships that they borrowed from the wild.

538
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: They borrowed from the way zebras are able to kind

539
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 2: of blend in in a herd and with like the

540
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: horizon or whatever. Really really interesting and it required a

541
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: lot of creative outside the box thinking the kind of

542
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: stuff you might associate with, like the imagineers of Disney fame,

543
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: you know, who created things like basically visual effects technologies

544
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: that didn't exist yet or would take you know, existing

545
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: things like the Peppers Ghost, you know, sort of effect

546
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 2: where you could create what looks like a hologram and

547
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 2: just take it to the next level.

548
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: And he becomes a one man pitch army. He's always

549
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: trying to demonstrate camouflage techniques and he's saying, look, I

550
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: studied the success of the Royal Air Force during the

551
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: Battle of Britain in nineteen forty. Uh huh, just so,

552
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: And he says, look, let me show you guys what

553
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about. And so he's at Fort Eustace, Virginia

554
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: making his pitch. He goes to different Air Force bases

555
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: like backxwell Field and Alabama and people in general seem

556
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: to agree it's a good idea, but they don't have

557
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 1: the budget for it.

558
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, so the money's going into making the damn things

559
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: fighting the actual fight, being as prepared as possible militarily speaking,

560
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 2: you know, to camouflage and all of this stuff. Well,

561
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: very important. Clearly they made a whole bureaucracy with factory

562
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 2: Defense in the name. You know, it was important. But

563
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,959
Speaker 2: he had to kind of sell the brass on some

564
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: of these more unusual, innovative kind of ideas.

565
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. Yeah, So he perseveres and he's traveling

566
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: all around the country pitching this stuff. In March of

567
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one, like so many other people who are

568
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,719
Speaker 1: in the reserves, he is ordered back to active duty,

569
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: called to serve, Called to serve, and he gets sent

570
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: to Hawaii to study defenses as part of his work

571
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: under the Chief of Engineers Operations and Training Section. So

572
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: he gets out there to Wahoo and he says, look,

573
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: here's what we need to do to camouflage Wheeler Field,

574
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: which is only twelve miles north of Pearl Harbor. And

575
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: they say this is great. Oh, you're a really smart guy.

576
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: How much does it cost? And he says fifty grand

577
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: and they say go home.

578
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe we should and maybe we should.

579
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: Can we do a boop? Can we have fession? I

580
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: think you know, we know a little bit about military spending, dude,

581
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: So what are we talking here?

582
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty one, fifty thousand dollars is worth one

583
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: point zero four million today, which is high for like

584
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: a person, but for the military.

585
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, we hear about budgets in the trillions, you know,

586
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: but again it's a different time and we're not actively.

587
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 3: Five thousand dollars hammer or specific hammer they have to

588
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: use on sealth bombers that won't do something.

589
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 2: Man. We heard a story a while back about these

590
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: like coffee mugs, like they have like electronics built in

591
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: them to keep your coffee warm. It was a story

592
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 2: about waste in military spending, and that was a big topic.

593
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 2: And I think that they spent like hundreds of thousands

594
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 2: of dollars and they went to waste as well.

595
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 1: I believe that was part of it a bit. There's

596
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: a lot of crypt too, and there's a well, there's

597
00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: stories to be told about that.

598
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: All that to say, though, one point five million to

599
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: make sure your factories don't get blown up. Seems like

600
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: a pretty reasonable ask. I think maybe they just weren't

601
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: so sure about his methods.

602
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: And here's where it becomes a parable of sorts because

603
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: after they turn him down and say, okay, we get it.

604
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: You like magic, we're not camouflaging this. Just a few

605
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: weeks later, it's December seventh and the airfield gets attacked yep,

606
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: and it lost most of its planes.

607
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 2: And it was the same you know, group of fighter

608
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: pilots battalion or whatever you want to call it that

609
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: had destroyed Pearl Harbor. So at this point the brass

610
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 2: are a little bit more open to some of these

611
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: outside of the box ideas because they were desperate and

612
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: they realized that whatever they were doing wasn't working and

613
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 2: they needed somebody to kind of come in and rewrite

614
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: the game plan.

615
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 1: And General de Witt, you know, like cut back to

616
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: him in the film here, he is bonkers by this point.

617
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: He's the one that's been already entertaining all of these

618
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: paranoid Yes, scare we stay delusions. But again, is it

619
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: just being really prepared exact or is it like, you know,

620
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: are you losing your marbles a little bit.

621
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: Paranoia doesn't mean you're wrong, is the problem.

622
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 2: So and when your paranoia is confirmed, it just deep

623
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: we're seeing. And so our buddy DeWitt is saying, I

624
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 2: knew it. I'm not crazy. Omer.

625
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: I need you to develop a camouflage plan for the

626
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: entirety of the West Coast. And Omer, now our magician

627
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: protagonist to this story, he says, this is great. I

628
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: have been thinking about this all the time. I'm not

629
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: sure if you're aware, general, but camouflage is my primary hobby.

630
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, at this point, and then in two since I

631
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 2: was a kid, I could lay completely still under the

632
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 2: cover as my parents wouldn't even know I was there.

633
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 2: And so this is a dream job for this guy.

634
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: And now we get to the point where Uncle Sam

635
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: opens his wallet. Price is no object, and so this

636
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: guy starts saying, all right, I am going to camouflage

637
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 1: the entire aircraft industry of California. I'm going to show

638
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: you a demonstration on one airfield, and then we're going

639
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 1: to work out, you know, how how we maintain a

640
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: working air field while still camouflaging it. And this is

641
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 1: crazy because he goes to Hollywood, so creative, I think

642
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: that's cool.

643
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 2: Well, it was not for nothing that I was mentioning

644
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 2: the Disney imagineers and just how so much of the

645
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 2: thinking behind magic and stagecraft things like that goes into

646
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,920
Speaker 2: the design of theme parks. It's all about it's not

647
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 2: exactly camouflage, but it is about, like, for example, hiding

648
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: infrastructure in plain sight. You know, a lot of the

649
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: work that goes into, you know, designing ride queues and

650
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 2: things at theme parks is to cover up stuff that

651
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: may be considered unsightly or a peak behind the curtain

652
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: that they don't want the visitors to have. So there

653
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 2: is a lot of overlap in that guy or making

654
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 2: a widespread surveillance. Yeah, and it also reminds me of

655
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: things we see in modern cities in the West today,

656
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: which is, you know, a facade buildings that are entirely

657
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 2: to disguise infrastructure. He did a whole episode on that

658
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 2: with stuff they I want you to know, we actually

659
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 2: went and discovered some of these fake buildings in person.

660
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,439
Speaker 2: I think there's a video of that still on the internet. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.

661
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 2: Shout out to a con ed for not arresting us.

662
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: They did chase us off, they shoot us. They did aggressively.

663
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: They did politely but firmly shoot the heck out of us.

664
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:30,920
Speaker 1: So so Omer goes to Hollywood and he talks to

665
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: movie set designers, he talks to scene painters, and these

666
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: are the top talent of their respective fields. And all

667
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 1: of the major Hollywood studios are super duper down to

668
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 1: help with this because it's great pr for this, absolutely,

669
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And then later, because of

670
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: the way Hollywood works, later they can reach out to

671
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: a general or something and say like, hey, Kember, are

672
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: a couple of tanks we're filming a think.

673
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: Well, we already know, and I think again, start keep

674
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 2: invoking stuff I don't want you to know. But we've

675
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: read an episode in that about the cozy relationship between

676
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 2: the military and movie studios.

677
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, as long as the deal is you can get

678
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 1: as a film studio, you can get us military stuff

679
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: in your in your story, so long as the military

680
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: looks good.

681
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, they probably got like a style guide or something.

682
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: Oh sure, they just distribute. By the way, I think,

683
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: I was texted you and matt Our co host and

684
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 2: something that I want you to know that I was

685
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,359
Speaker 2: at a TJ Max and I saw which is where

686
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: you can find kind of second like tier kind of

687
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,919
Speaker 2: toys and stuff that nobody wants of the other story.

688
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 2: And I saw this line of army toys officially branded

689
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: army toys with things like you know, tanks and and uh,

690
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: personnel carriers and things like that. It was very interesting.

691
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: It sounds uh, it sounds fast, borderline propagandistic. Well I

692
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: would even short yeah, but but okay, so everybody's rolling

693
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: out the red carpet.

694
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: The US government is saying take all the money. W

695
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: the big wigs in Hollywood are saying, let's hook you

696
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: up with anyone who can help. And if for a

697
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: time this becomes like a very very busy, big film

698
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: production to turn Marchfield into a working demonstration of these

699
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: camouflage ideas, and people in the Army are like, oh, geez,

700
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: looked at We're at all Hollywood studio now. Eventually they

701
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: disguised thirty four different air bases in a couple of

702
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: different states, Washington, Oregon, California, all up and down the

703
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: West coast. And the biggest ticket item isn't the airfields themselves,

704
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 1: it's the manufacturing plants like Lockheed in Burbank or North

705
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: American aviation inglewood, because again, most of the manufacturing capability

706
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: is there in just those five.

707
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there was another story we did about how

708
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: during World War Two, I believe it was Pairs, they

709
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 2: built like a tiny version of Paris that from the

710
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 2: sky would appear to be the actual Paris, and they

711
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 2: turned all the actual lights of the city of Paris

712
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: off and lit up this sort of facsimile, sort of

713
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 2: miniature version, and that also worked. You know, this is

714
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: practical effects we're talking about here. I think that's why

715
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 2: this one is such a neat crossover between military history

716
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 2: and the history of you know, effects and illusion, because

717
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 2: that's exactly what they did. They cloaked the factories by

718
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 2: essentially building I'm imagining on their roof these kind of

719
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: facsimiles of suburbs, so that an airplane flying at an

720
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: altitude of around five thousand feet that's what it would

721
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: look like. And they knew exactly what that distance, what

722
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 2: kind of view that distance would provide, and they tailored

723
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: it accordingly, right.

724
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: Because remember a lot of enemy aircraft they're hunting by sight,

725
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, So if you can manipulate

726
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: their perspective, then you're going to come out the winner.

727
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 2: This is kind of what you'd call syops, right, yeah,

728
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 2: a little bit, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're monkeying with people's

729
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: expectations and their senses, you know.

730
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a kissing cousin to syops, and

731
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: it's just it's defensive rather than offensive. But we know

732
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: a lot of companies, private aircraft manufacturers, didn't want to

733
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: wait around for the military to have a plan.

734
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 2: They were like, they were let in on the plan.

735
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: I guess though they sort of knew what was going

736
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: on with some of these test cases or these like

737
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: sort of case studies. Yeah, they were aware of it. Right,

738
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: it was a pilot program and they were not and

739
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: they were not all yet included. So they were like, okay,

740
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 2: we get the basic idea. We know kind of how

741
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: the sausage is being made. Let's make our own sausage.

742
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 2: Before you know, the sausage King comes to bestow his

743
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: sausages upon us. That's the that's omer street name. The

744
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: sausage is sausage King.

745
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not going to tell you why there's a family,

746
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: but that's what people called him. Don't fact check us, please,

747
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: So all right, so we know that we know that

748
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: Donald Douglas, the owner of Douglas Aircraft Company, decided to

749
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 1: be proactive about this. He is very well aware of

750
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: the camouflage conversation, the innovations that are recurring, and in

751
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,320
Speaker 1: nineteen forty one he goes to an engineer named Frank

752
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 1: Colebaum and says, hey, man, I need help. Can you

753
00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: put together a team that can camouflage my aircraft plant

754
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: over in Santa Monica? And Colebaum is kind of like

755
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: a consultant in this, so he says, you know what,

756
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: I know a guy who's perfect for this. His name

757
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: is h Roy Kelly. We're throwing a lot of characters

758
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: in the story today, but I think it's important right

759
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: for us to learn a little bit about our pal Kelly.

760
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely and one, once again, I can't shout him out

761
00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 2: enough Bill Yen for his incredible work in Boeing Wonderland

762
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: the Fake Cities on America's West Coast.

763
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Bill introduces us to Kelly. Kelly is at

764
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: this point a pretty storied guy.

765
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: Uh. He is the dude who invented ranch style homes.

766
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: Whoa did he also invent ranch style dressing?

767
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 1: No?

768
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 2: That was a cook who invented it in Alaska. Oh

769
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: that's right now. How did I know that? You wouldn't

770
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: know that because I hate ranch? Oh so you hate ranch?

771
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 2: You hate doctor Pepper. What kind of American are you? Oh? Geez,

772
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: I like a lot of other stuff. You know what

773
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean? More, you know, more ranch for everybody else.

774
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm just the blue cheese guy. I'm a blue cheese

775
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: got too. I'm not a huge fan of ranch either.

776
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 2: It's too tany.

777
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: It's such a weird insists upon itself, it insists upon

778
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: its pushes.

779
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,320
Speaker 3: Always is the best, either blue cheese or ranch.

780
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:50,280
Speaker 2: We're sorry for wing sauce. Wing sauce, just generic wingsa guys.

781
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest.

782
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: It's taken a lot of effort not to twist this

783
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: into a conversation about food.

784
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: I ate lunch. I didn't eat lunch. I didn't usually

785
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: I eat my before I get here.

786
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: But nope, Yeah, so we we've got an appointment for

787
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: lunch later.

788
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: But for now, what you need to know is that

789
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 2: ranch style homes isn't that weird. It's like the home

790
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 2: of jajure of America. From that point on, this is

791
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: the mid century we're talking about here. These types of

792
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: homes now, of course, are really sought after. You know,

793
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: but whenever you look at real estate listings or whatever

794
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,880
Speaker 2: in Zillow, you know, so many homes today are considered

795
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: ranch style.

796
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and our buddy Kelly teams up with an architect

797
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: from California landscape man named Edward Huntsman Trout.

798
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: Uh.

799
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: And this guy is famous because he's designed things like

800
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:47,320
Speaker 1: Scripts College and Kelly and Huntsman Trout go to Hollywood

801
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: set designers, in this case specifically from Warner Brothers, and

802
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: they create a thing that goes on top of the

803
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: roof of Douglas Aircraft Factory.

804
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 2: There you go.

805
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a tension compression in structure. It's five million

806
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: square feet of chicken wire and four hundred poles all together.

807
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: Like some of it is built to look like those

808
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: ranch style homes.

809
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: There you go.

810
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: It's from the they outside they're clearly not full houses.

811
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's sort of like, I mean, we need to

812
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 2: think about class the golden age of Hollywood, those kind

813
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: of facades where it's it looks like the front of

814
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: us of a storefront or the atomic towns exactly much

815
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 2: the same as as some of the fake buildings that

816
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 2: we explored, you know, for stuffing. I want you to

817
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 2: know there are these kind of facades or something that

818
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 2: looked like a subway you know, entry, but it actually

819
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 2: you can't go in and behind it, it's covering up

820
00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:43,280
Speaker 2: some sort of you know, pipes or electrical equipment.

821
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: And they fill this fake village with houses, fences, even closed.

822
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 2: Lines home fill town fill. Yeah. And they also an

823
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: arrested development reference to anyone screeching their head to the

824
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 2: point of perspective.

825
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: They do something really clever where they're like, let's build

826
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 1: a street grid that looks like it goes seamlessly into

827
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: the real world in.

828
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 2: Smart so cool, and then the script kind of gets

829
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 2: flipped here from what we were talking about before. Again thanks

830
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: to Billy In for this insight. Executives at Warner Brothers

831
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,680
Speaker 2: Movie Studio saw this and we're like, we want you

832
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: to do that for us, to help, you know, kind

833
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 2: of plus up our sound stages.

834
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were also like, look, we don't we

835
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: make movies not airplanes, but from far enough away, our

836
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: sound stages look a little bit more like aircraft hangers

837
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: than we would, like, we don't want to get bombed.

838
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: That's a good point. They really do know if you've

839
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 2: ever seen like air or even like the Warner Brothers

840
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 2: pre roll thing that shows that kind of gauzy, gold

841
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 2: hued view. Those buildings, the sound stages, they look like

842
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 2: giant aircraft hangars from above, big rectangular buildings, all kind

843
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 2: of in sequence next to each other. So they were concerned, Well,

844
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,359
Speaker 2: they weren't trying to, you know, get him to help

845
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: them make movie magic. They were trying to get him

846
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: to help keep them from maybe getting bombed accidentally.

847
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, And that's a very smart thing to do, right,

848
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,920
Speaker 1: And add to this, there's a bit of a keeping

849
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 1: up with the Joneses mentality because because these studio heads

850
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: are looking around and they say, dang, there's clover Field

851
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 1: camouflage just three miles away. Lockheed's got some dope camouflage.

852
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: Our studio is literally the only thing that looks like

853
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:36,479
Speaker 1: an aircraft hanger.

854
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: That's a good point.

855
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 1: So we have to do it because if we don't,

856
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: we look like the target, the sitting duck.

857
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's very very interesting, and you know it worked.

858
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: It worked maybe in ways that were unintentionally kind of

859
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 2: hilariously not good. That pilots trying to land in Santa

860
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 2: Monica at Cloverfield would occasionally get lost and not be

861
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: able to figure out where the base was. So that's

862
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 2: a pretty good bell weather, you know how. You know,

863
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: so effective this.

864
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: Stuff was, Yeah, they had to they had to start

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Speaker 1: the end of the runway waving a red flag to

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Speaker 1: let you know you were in the right place, because

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Speaker 1: otherwise you're like, I'm supposed to land in this town, right.

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Speaker 2: I wonder at you what level of classified these programs were,

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Speaker 2: because it does seem that you would want you wouldn't

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Speaker 2: want there to be any chatter about this kind of

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Speaker 2: stuff on places where the enemy could pick it up.

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Speaker 2: So I would imagine it would have been pretty tightly

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Speaker 2: held secret to the point where maybe even some personnel

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Speaker 2: didn't know, you know, what to look for my wife,

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Speaker 2: I mean.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's true because oh and then shut out

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Speaker 1: to atari.

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Speaker 2: How's it going.

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Speaker 1: I love recording in the studio, man, it's a nice

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Speaker 1: when people drop by. So this sets up the scene

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Speaker 1: for the star of our series this week, the Transformation

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Speaker 1: Boeing's Plant number two. Eventually it was called Boeing Wonderland.

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Speaker 2: Ah it sounds like a theme park. It sounds like

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Speaker 2: a place, a lovely place to take the family on vacation.

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Speaker 1: And perhaps lovely place to end our episode for today.

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Speaker 2: I think that's right. I think we've set up the

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Speaker 2: history really well again, thanks to mister Yen for his

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Speaker 2: incredible research. And we're going to get to the promised

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Speaker 2: Boeing Wonderland in part two of this two part episode.

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Speaker 1: And for now, we want to give a big, big

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Speaker 1: thanks to our super producer, mister Max Williams. Research associated

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Speaker 1: mister Max Williams. Jonathan Strickland aka the wizd Eves Jeff.

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Speaker 2: Goat, who may be returning to the show very soon,

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Speaker 2: I hope so. Chris frasciotis here in spirit his wizard

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Speaker 2: Beard may it ever grow long. Jonathan Strickland the Quizzler. A. J.

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Speaker 2: Jacobs the Puzzler. Yeah, we're not super creative with the names. Well,

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Speaker 2: we didn't make up the Puzzler, we did. It just

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Speaker 2: happens to be the perfect rivalry, which you will hopefully

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Speaker 2: experience firsthand one of these days very soon on Ridiculous History.

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Speaker 2: We'll see you next time, folks. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 2: visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you listen

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