Speaker 1: All right, welcome in.
Speaker 2: Kind of the start pretty much the start of our
Speaker 2: Sunday Football podcast, which go an hour plus as John
Speaker 2: was in Chicago this weekend with me at the Live
Speaker 2: Tour event in Chicago, which was really a good time.
Speaker 2: I was thinking about this before I came on. We
Speaker 2: got a lot of football to talk about for the
Speaker 2: next hour. But like hockey, I never know if things
Speaker 2: work on TV. Some stuff works on TV, some doesn't.
Speaker 2: But in person, the Live Tour events great, so I
Speaker 2: strongly recommended. I am for the entrepreneur. I like new
Speaker 2: stuff and big swings, so good for the Live Tour
Speaker 2: it was fantastic, a real event, concerts, music everywhere, up
Speaker 2: close and personal with the golfers. John was in Chicago
Speaker 2: this weekend, so let's just start with that. Your interpretations.
Speaker 2: I don't know if John, if you could be a
Speaker 2: little dehydrated after our weekend.
Speaker 1: It was a long flight home. We had a good
Speaker 1: thirty six hours. Hell of a run. I mean beautiful.
Speaker 1: I was telling everyone there I had never been to
Speaker 1: Chicago outside of the airports. Beautiful. The suburbs are awesome.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's green. You were showing me where you live,
Speaker 1: and obviously you have a beautiful house. We had a
Speaker 1: good time. We watched some football, watch some golf, hung
Speaker 1: out with Scott O'Neil, who's the CEO. Is you know.
Speaker 1: The one thing with live Golf, the negativity. A lot
Speaker 1: of it stemmed from Greg Norman, who I would say,
Speaker 1: on the popularity chart in his sport is pretty low,
Speaker 1: you know, and that includes you know, the players on live.
Speaker 1: So I think he is not a golf guy, which
Speaker 1: I think helps. The PGA tour brings in an NFL
Speaker 1: guy not a golf guy, which helps so that they
Speaker 1: look at it more from a business sense. I actually
Speaker 1: left there feeling pretty optimistic, big picture that things will
Speaker 1: get figured out, maybe not like in a month, but
Speaker 1: in the next eighteen months, that they will get some
Speaker 1: progress and we can stop complaining, because I know I complained.
Speaker 1: But yeah, Chicago was awesome. The Tito's was flowing and
Speaker 1: that the food was good and we had some chicken
Speaker 1: parm last night.
Speaker 2: It was a long We had a long day Saturday.
Speaker 2: We were out and about we thought it was five
Speaker 2: point fifteen at my house. We were exhausted, and then
Speaker 2: in laws showed up and we stayed up till ten
Speaker 2: thirty and the tito started flowing in the bombay gin
Speaker 2: and it was a good we're just all washing.
Speaker 1: Then NFL family shows up with a full bottle of gin.
Speaker 1: I said, geez, you guys are ready to party.
Speaker 2: So I will say I want to start talking about
Speaker 2: shudor Sanders.
Speaker 1: We'll start with there.
Speaker 2: So I was just saying today to make it, to
Speaker 2: simplify it. These aren't the exact percentages, but I would
Speaker 2: say fifty percent of quarterback is traits, you know, and
Speaker 2: occasionally a player like big Ban or Cam have remarkable traits.
Speaker 2: So those traits are size, movement, athleticism, toughness, you know,
Speaker 2: all all the obvious stuff you can see on TV.
Speaker 2: The other fifty percent and maybe a smaller percentage is
Speaker 2: film study, galvanizing, the locker room, kind of obsessive nature,
Speaker 2: pre snap. That's the stuff we can't see. So if
Speaker 2: you are Camra big Ben or Josh Allen, where your
Speaker 2: traits are like otherworldly, top one percent of quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: my lifetime, Dan Marino had that, then you don't have
Speaker 2: to maybe have the quite the self awareness, the film study,
Speaker 2: the pre snap excellence. You don't always have to be
Speaker 2: a great teammate or workout as hard like big Ben
Speaker 2: didn't in the off season. So Senor sanders to me,
Speaker 2: Collagen pro. The traits are fine. He's mobile enough. He's accurate,
Speaker 2: I think moving and stationary's accurate. His size is fine.
Speaker 2: He's not top heavy like Will Levis, who feels all
Speaker 2: chest and arms, and he's not spindily like a Matt
Speaker 2: Rein or a Teddy Bridgewater. He's six two two eighteen
Speaker 2: very sod. He's not a weight room guy, but it's
Speaker 2: just a very He's comfortable playing. He runs backwards sometimes
Speaker 2: you know that you got to stop that because he's
Speaker 2: not athletic enough to escape. My question has always been
Speaker 2: his traits are okay, so he's got to be great
Speaker 2: film study EQIQ pre snap galvanizing teammates. And then I
Speaker 2: see the speeding tickets legendary, the New York Giant stuff,
Speaker 2: which has been now reported multiple times and I had
Speaker 2: it validated again last week. It was a disaster. But
Speaker 2: my takeaway watching him was he's comfortable. It looks a
Speaker 2: little like college. He's an accurate thrower, doesn't have a
Speaker 2: huge arm, moves okay, and when he's got to make
Speaker 2: big throws, in the red zone. He's pretty damn good
Speaker 2: at it. That's my take.
Speaker 1: Yours, Well, I would say the pre draft stuff was real,
Speaker 1: but it's real for a lot of players that end
Speaker 1: up falling in the draft and then they go on
Speaker 1: to make plays and become good players and none of
Speaker 1: it matters ever. Again, so I think shador I think
Speaker 1: there are a lot of different anger here. First and
Speaker 1: foremost his dad, which is a huge reason. Right. He
Speaker 1: is a very famous and polarizing individual, is one of
Speaker 1: the most gifted athletes in the history of American professional sports.
Speaker 1: And he's one of the best football players. And he
Speaker 1: wouldn't tackle. And we all say, yeah, LT's and Reggie
Speaker 1: White probably the two best defensive players. Dion's probably top five.
Speaker 1: He wouldn't tackle, and he bragged about it. He's like,
Speaker 1: they don't pay me to tackle because he could cover. Well,
Speaker 1: he's not that level of a talent. But he is
Speaker 1: very instinctive and a natural football player. And I think
Speaker 1: two things we don't talk about enough with quarterbacks. One
Speaker 1: is always toughness. I mean, you gotta be tough. The
Speaker 1: best players were always tough. Brady hung his hat on
Speaker 1: jumping right back up after he got hit. Ben Johnson's
Speaker 1: been all over Kleb about body language when you get hit.
Speaker 1: Shador's tough, so he brings that to the table. And
Speaker 1: then there's just a natural feel to his game. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a pretty accurate player and his two you know,
Speaker 1: definitely the first touchdown I think is when he was
Speaker 1: rolling left like that's an instinctive, layered throw. But he
Speaker 1: is not alone. He is with a large group of players.
Speaker 1: There are a ton of guys that were drafted on
Speaker 1: the third day all over the league that, guess what,
Speaker 1: are gonna go on to be really good players. Some
Speaker 1: will be Hall of famers Richard Sherman, Jason Kelce in
Speaker 1: this class that will be household names. And then there
Speaker 1: are a ton of guys drafted in the first, second,
Speaker 1: and third round who are not going to be any good,
Speaker 1: who within a couple two, three, four years will not
Speaker 1: be on their team and will be considered bus and
Speaker 1: not good draft picks. It's the NFL now. Chador is
Speaker 1: the headliner, but like again his own team, his own
Speaker 1: team took another quarterback two rounds above him, and the
Speaker 1: reason Shador was there in the fifth and you and
Speaker 1: I have talked about that you mentioned the Giants, so
Speaker 1: the bad teams that the interactions were weird. He wouldn't
Speaker 1: talk with the good teams. So the good teams that
Speaker 1: all have quarterbacks, obviously they would have been interested if
Speaker 1: they had good interactions. They're like, he won't talk to
Speaker 1: we don't know, we have no interaction. Every player beside
Speaker 1: the cop to up two, three, four guys Travis Hunter
Speaker 1: and a Duel Carter might not talk to Andy Reid
Speaker 1: and the Bills, right, but most every other player does. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: Look at Trayvon Henderson, the good running back for the Patriots.
Speaker 1: They have a sweet run back. The other day, I
Speaker 1: guarantee talked to every single team in the league, and
Speaker 1: every team felt good. Obviously, he got draft from the
Speaker 1: second he could argued he could have gone twenty. If
Speaker 1: he had fallen the forty five, every team would have
Speaker 1: been interested in the guy like that, and they talked
Speaker 1: to him. But Shador wasn't talking to everybody. So as
Speaker 1: he's falling in the draft, good teams are passing on him.
Speaker 1: Good teams seed backup quarterbacks. But they're like, and this
Speaker 1: is what I heard, we just don't know him. He
Speaker 1: wouldn't talk to a quarterback. But most of these guys,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of scouts did not think he
Speaker 1: was a first round pick. I do agree, like that
Speaker 1: was a narrative, that's true, but most people thought he
Speaker 1: was a pretty good college football Yeah, like he's better
Speaker 1: than most, Like should have gone somewhere second, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: You know, it's a pretty A lot of guys can
Speaker 1: go in the second. If they don't, sometimes they go
Speaker 1: in the fourth. It's not that crazy. He clearly had
Speaker 1: a little larger of a drop and it was one
Speaker 1: preseason game and everyone acting like he's John Elway. Let's
Speaker 1: pump the brakes a little bit. But you've given your opportunity.
Speaker 1: You take advantage. And I get from the fan base
Speaker 1: and you and I were talking about this over the weekend.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna have much of a rope with no
Speaker 1: one wants to watch Kenny Pickett take us now. Joe
Speaker 1: Flack was forty years old, Dylan Gabriel is already injured. Listen.
Speaker 2: I think it was a great night for Cleveland because
Speaker 2: I my prediction has been Shadur becomes the backup, they
Speaker 2: trade Kenny Pickett for a sixth or a seventh, and
Speaker 2: then Dylan Gabriel gets behind Shadur because the fans, I mean,
Speaker 2: if they go zero to four, Shador is gonna get play.
Speaker 2: The fans are gonna want it. And Haslam listens to
Speaker 2: sports talk radio. He's very much connected to the media.
Speaker 2: He is listening to his fans. I mean, he's the
Speaker 2: guy that said he drafted Johnny Manziel because he talked
Speaker 2: to a and his words, a homeless guy. So it's
Speaker 2: like Haslim is very much connected to his fan base.
Speaker 2: And so I and I think Chadeure and I said
Speaker 2: this from the beginning, Dion that had no favors. He
Speaker 2: really butchered the pre draft stuff. He's not talented enough
Speaker 2: to just say I'm not talking to you. He's not that.
Speaker 2: I mean, Cam Newton's one of the few. You're like,
Speaker 2: Cam's gonna get drafted. Big, tall, fast, Strong may have
Speaker 2: been the most dominant SEC player I've ever seen when
Speaker 2: the SEC was clearly the best conference. But I mean
Speaker 2: the Big twelve, you know, stunk and Shadour didn't win
Speaker 2: a lot of games. But as you said, most of
Speaker 2: that stuff falls by the wayside that there's been a
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you can play in this league,
Speaker 2: they've forgiven felons like they forgive a lot. So in
Speaker 2: my take is I still think he's a little too
Speaker 2: unseerious for me. I think his judgment is not a strength.
Speaker 2: But when you watch him play, and this is why
Speaker 2: fans get excited, I thought he was comfortable, looking like
Speaker 2: he just feels kind of comfortable just slinging it in
Speaker 2: the red zone. He's not frenetic, he didn't have nervous feet.
Speaker 2: He just kind of plays and he looked like, Okay,
Speaker 2: it's fine.
Speaker 1: I don't know Stefanski personally, but I know I've been
Speaker 1: around coaches and know a lot of them, and I
Speaker 1: know the way they think. Just because he makes plays
Speaker 1: like people would be like, why don't start them week one? Well,
Speaker 1: coach would be like, well he doesn't know the playbook
Speaker 1: yet or all of it. Right, They're not comfortable enough,
Speaker 1: he's not ready. It's an easy thing for him to say.
Speaker 1: Fans never want to hear that. Honestly, a lot of
Speaker 1: times the front office will dumb it down. Give him
Speaker 1: ten plays because you said zero to four. I just
Speaker 1: pulled up their schedule. They're playing the Bengals week one
Speaker 1: at home. Let's just say in this hypothetical world they're
Speaker 1: down seventeen to nothing at halftime to the Bengals week one,
Speaker 1: they would start chanting his name. And this also gets
Speaker 1: back to my theory of like, I don't believe Jimmy
Speaker 1: has them for a second when he's like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: never thought we would draft him. It was just up
Speaker 1: to those two guys. Because these coaches part of the
Speaker 1: reason they probably weren't that interested in the sense once
Speaker 1: they draft Dhillan Gabriel because it does bring this Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is we're talking preseason two touchdowns and what he
Speaker 1: should start week one, and they go, he's a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. And they'd also say if we didn't take them,
Speaker 1: who the hell was gonna take them. There's also it
Speaker 1: looks like a lot of people were lined up to
Speaker 1: take them.
Speaker 2: There's a te Bow thing here, but Shadur can actually
Speaker 2: play like like like t bows. Sure, yeah, and Tebow
Speaker 2: got overdrafted Shadure, Let's be honest, he was underdrafted in
Speaker 2: the fifth round. So so Tebow was overdrafted but couldn't play,
Speaker 2: and Shador was underdrafted and actually can.
Speaker 1: Play a little bit.
Speaker 2: I mean to me, I I think you know that's
Speaker 2: the downside. Bill Parcels used to say, don't be a
Speaker 2: celebrity quarterback. Everybody's a celebrity. Now what you don't want
Speaker 2: Now it's morphed into you don't want a celebrity backup.
Speaker 2: You don't want Kaepernick Tebow right, Johnny manzel Er sur
Speaker 2: is a backup, So that will be Cam like Cam
Speaker 2: Belichick's like, we love you. But they just chose Mac Jones.
Speaker 2: So it used to be you don't want a celebrity quarterback.
Speaker 2: It's over nil. It's Caleb's a celebrit I'm sorry. The
Speaker 2: conference is the TV ratings are huge, so that will
Speaker 2: be his issue. But I think if you're a Browns fan,
Speaker 2: whether you're gonna keep him or move him, I thought
Speaker 2: it was a great night, you should be excited. It's
Speaker 2: really fun. And I think he moved himself into number two.
Speaker 2: I think Stefanski sees the value. They want to accumulate
Speaker 2: picks for next year's draft. You can get something. I
Speaker 2: think for Kenny.
Speaker 1: Pickett, well, to me, I've never been a Cannie Pickt guy.
Speaker 1: I've always just as a player in general. Before he's
Speaker 1: on the Browns, I just assume Flacco was gonna be
Speaker 1: the week one starter because he did a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago and now he head coach likes him. There
Speaker 1: are some people saying, like, trade him, right, get trade
Speaker 1: them to the Rams. You know, if Stafford was or whoever,
Speaker 1: there is no way after that performance Jimmy Haslam is
Speaker 1: allowing a trade even if he ends up not being good,
Speaker 1: they're not probably not gonna be very good, and he's
Speaker 1: gonna get a ton of starts, and they're gonna get
Speaker 1: a front row seat, and who knows, maybe they get
Speaker 1: lightning in a bottle. He's actually pretty solid and they
Speaker 1: don't you have to use, you know, their picks on
Speaker 1: a quarterback. But there is no way. It is. It's
Speaker 1: a wasted conversation to be like they should trade him
Speaker 1: somewhere else. There is no way Jimmy Haslam is because
Speaker 1: he goes, well, we're not going to be that good.
Speaker 1: At least if we got Shador Samuels, Sanders and Miles
Speaker 1: Garrett maybe trying to be defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 1: Even if we win five six games, at least we're
Speaker 1: one of the main stories in the league. It's it's
Speaker 1: got a little Jerry Jones quality to it, doesn't it. It
Speaker 1: does okay, So Dolphins Bears. I watched almost the entire
Speaker 1: game today, so this is what I thought was interesting.
Speaker 1: So I've said this now for this has been kind
Speaker 1: of one of my off season rams. What Mike McDaniel
Speaker 1: is smart. I don't doubt it. The media loves him.
Speaker 1: He almost looks like a sports writer. He almost talks
Speaker 1: like when he's sort of snarky, not the coolest guy
Speaker 1: in the room.
Speaker 2: But my question was always can he create a culture?
Speaker 2: Same with Lincoln Riley. By the way, I know they're smart.
Speaker 2: I know they're good play designers and play callers, but
Speaker 2: a big part of football Dan Campbell, Nick Sirianni, Pete Carroll,
Speaker 2: hell Andy Reid is Shanahan creating toughness and culture. So
Speaker 2: the quotes from Joe Shadd, who covers them, used to
Speaker 2: be at ESPN. Good guy Joe Shadd said today, Mike
Speaker 2: McDaniel played starters today and the reason was he is
Speaker 2: emphasizing listen to this culture, physicality and accountability. This so
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel's hearing it, and this has been my knock
Speaker 2: on the Dolphins. Like Caleb didn't play, We can talk
Speaker 2: about that in a second. Tua did and I think
Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel is seeing what people like me and you
Speaker 2: have said for a year. What are you You can't
Speaker 2: build football programs on speed on the perimeter. In the
Speaker 2: Chiefs build theirs on Creed Humphrey, Joe Tooney at the time, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey. You built in out. You
Speaker 2: can find speed, it's hard to find great centers and
Speaker 2: quarterbacks and great interior alignment and left tackles. And so
Speaker 2: I think Mike McDaniel's, to his credit, is knowledging. You know,
Speaker 2: the culture here feels broken. We were the fastest team
Speaker 2: in the league, but it didn't get us anything. And
Speaker 2: I appreciate him acknowledging it. But playing starters is a message.
Speaker 2: It seems to me.
Speaker 1: Well, I've always been a believer. I mean there's some
Speaker 1: sayings in football that you could walk into every building
Speaker 1: and you know, looks like Tarzan plays like Jane in
Speaker 1: one scouting term. And I think this works to this too,
Speaker 1: is you know, a leperd doesn't change its spots. I
Speaker 1: think when a coach, you know, Pete Carroll, talks about this,
Speaker 1: he realized he tried to change and it blew up
Speaker 1: in his face, and he had to say true to
Speaker 1: who he was. Remember when he like studied with John
Speaker 1: Wooden and he got the USC job. He's like, I'm
Speaker 1: a fun, happy guy. I'm not Belichick. Belichick is a
Speaker 1: grumpy guy. They're very authentic to themselves. But toughness, they
Speaker 1: don't have to fake that. It's part of the way
Speaker 1: they practice. It's part of the way they think about football.
Speaker 1: You go around most of the top coaches, Sean McDermott,
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, they're just tough guys. They don't ever have
Speaker 1: to fake. Like I don't think you can just manipulate,
Speaker 1: snap your fingers and go. Because I somehow I bought
Speaker 1: why I'm on the plane, I realized the Bear game
Speaker 1: about to kick off, I get Wi Fi on my phone,
Speaker 1: and then I realized I actually wanted on my iPad,
Speaker 1: So somehow I ended up spending fifty dollars on internet.
Speaker 1: I'm watching, but I'm watching the game, and the broadcaster
Speaker 1: says that, you know, one thing McDaniel's doing has been
Speaker 1: making them run gassers after practice, really trying to That's
Speaker 1: like something the brand new college coach does. Like some
Speaker 1: of these guys were on your team last year that
Speaker 1: they see you, Mike, like, you're not a tough guy.
Speaker 1: That's okay, but you got to do what you do
Speaker 1: at an elite level two years ago. The one thing
Speaker 1: they mentioned today on the broadcast that I didn't realize
Speaker 1: how bad their offense was last year, and part of
Speaker 1: that was too it got injured. Two years ago they
Speaker 1: were really good. I mean, they've had some really good
Speaker 1: offenses under him. But like accountability and toughness, those come
Speaker 1: from your head coach and the players you select. But
Speaker 1: you can't just like snap your finger and do that.
Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reid and McVeigh, their teams are tough.
Speaker 1: I mean Andy is an old old squaffens whyman, the
Speaker 1: other two guys are younger, whatever, But because they practice
Speaker 1: tough and they've done that since both those two guys
Speaker 1: showed up in twenty seventeen. Right, Kevin O'Connell, I'll give
Speaker 1: him credit. I don't know if I view him as
Speaker 1: a tough guy right, kind of more of a bougie quarterback.
Speaker 1: But what does he do hires Brian Flores, Yeah, like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be fucking tough. So it's like the toughness
Speaker 1: goes on Flores, who is a tough guy. There's no
Speaker 1: faking it. He doesn't. The accountability comes from the tone
Speaker 1: that is set on defense. Jim Harbaugh and John they
Speaker 1: are tough guys. They also always hire tough defensive coordinators.
Speaker 1: So you just can't Mike. I just think that, like, Mike,
Speaker 1: you're not a tough guy. And it's been too long
Speaker 1: now in your program. If it had been like year one,
Speaker 1: you got some players out of there, It's like, okay,
Speaker 1: what's year He's on your four. I don't think that's possible. Now.
Speaker 1: I give him credit, like, Okay, we're gonna start and
Speaker 1: play our starters. On the flip side, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw some of the quotes of Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna get our work pregame and we're gonna
Speaker 1: get our work tomorrow. I think nationally televised game. This
Speaker 1: wasn't like seven other preseason games going on. There was
Speaker 1: only one. He wanted no part. It could have gone well.
Speaker 1: But also if it goes bad, then that Trump's Caleb
Speaker 1: or Shador is the number one story in the NFL. Tomorrow.
Speaker 1: You're leading your show with it. We can't even talk
Speaker 1: about Caleb because no one's on play. Meanwhile, Tua, who
Speaker 1: let's face it, if Caleb is as good as Tua
Speaker 1: in terms of efficiency and solid, the Bears would be
Speaker 1: pretty damn happy this season, right, and two is out
Speaker 1: there playing and he's making a ton of money and
Speaker 1: Caleb's on the sideline, which I don't I mean, Caleb
Speaker 1: doesn't control that, But that was I think Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: which I give him credit. He's been coaching them hard,
Speaker 1: He's he has been running an accountability toughness program from
Speaker 1: the jump, but I think he realized, like, look at
Speaker 1: the schedule, everyone's watching our game. If word have gone out,
Speaker 1: Caleb's about to start even more people are tuning into
Speaker 1: that thing, and he didn't even want to risk it,
Speaker 1: which I understand, but I also think it shows you
Speaker 1: that still a great unknown what we're getting. Week one, I.
Speaker 2: Think they practiced, didn't have an inner squad practice to
Speaker 2: Bears and the Dolphins. I thought I read they did,
Speaker 2: and it was really physical and there were a couple
Speaker 2: of moments where the Bears the Dolphins felt the Bears
Speaker 2: had delivered, you know, some late hits or a little
Speaker 2: over physicality. And so there's another reason Ben Jonson's like,
Speaker 2: you know, Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: Because two, I think Tua got chubbed to the ground
Speaker 1: or something, right, Yeah, and so you know you've told
Speaker 1: me this is is.
Speaker 2: Andy Reid will not do those intersquad practices. He doesn't
Speaker 2: want anybody seeing any of his stuff. And Shanahan never
Speaker 2: done one, never done one. Andy's like, you're not going
Speaker 2: to get a look at anything we're doing, or our
Speaker 2: players or our draft picks. You don't get a look
Speaker 2: at any of it. And then Shanahan will only do
Speaker 2: one practice. And I think have you talked about that
Speaker 2: theory before?
Speaker 1: Why? Well, Kyle, I guess said this the other day
Speaker 1: and I was like, actually, it kind of makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense. He thinks the second day of these
Speaker 1: joint practices, which a lot of these teams now are
Speaker 1: just doing the one yes, and then some of them
Speaker 1: don't even play their starters in that game because whoever
Speaker 1: loses Day one, Binn Squad, Well, you're usually practicing, you know,
Speaker 1: sometime before lunch, you have a meeting and stuff in
Speaker 1: the afternoon where you break up and your position coach
Speaker 1: are lighting you up. So what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: the next day after getting lit up? In the position meeting,
Speaker 1: the group meeting, and then maybe even the morning meeting.
Speaker 1: You're gonna come out with your hair on fire and
Speaker 1: that can lead to fights. And listen, you get fights
Speaker 1: in the one off practice. But he said the day
Speaker 1: two practices can get a little out of control. And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, it actually makes some sense. Whoever
Speaker 1: kind of quote unquote loses and who knows it could
Speaker 1: be like one group won this one, the other group
Speaker 1: loss this one on different teams, and he's got melee's
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think Ben Johnson also looked
Speaker 2: at that, and you know, we had a pretty good practice.
Speaker 2: I'm not putting Caleb Bollot. I mean, I think there
Speaker 2: are a lot of factors. But in the end, a
Speaker 2: team can't. You have to you and I have talked
Speaker 2: about this in our job. You have to give the
Speaker 2: fans meet in the sandwich. You can't just do fluff.
Speaker 2: Miami's been fluff. Hey we're fast, Hey we got multiple sets.
Speaker 2: There's no meat in the sandwich. Wilkins has gone on
Speaker 2: the d line, who I thought was really good offensive
Speaker 2: line gets pushed around last several years. But hey we're fast.
Speaker 2: So I do think it's interesting that he is acknowledging
Speaker 2: Joe Shadd's article Stronger culture, more accountability. At some point
Speaker 2: the Tyreek Hill thing. The really smart organizations and businesses
Speaker 2: in my life can see trouble before it happens. And
Speaker 2: the Chiefs moved off Tyreek Hill just about the time
Speaker 2: he was the most talked about player in the league,
Speaker 2: and they got comfortable saying, you know what this could go.
Speaker 2: I mean because Tyreek his personality, he's been in trouble
Speaker 2: multiple times. And not that Kansas City doesn't have Rashid
Speaker 2: Rice's issue. I mean, they've got their own issues. But
Speaker 2: I think I look at that trade and I remember
Speaker 2: the reaction when the Dolphins got Tyreek Hill, and I
Speaker 2: remember being on the air on FS one and I said,
Speaker 2: all those draft picks to Brett Veach, they're going to
Speaker 2: be just fine, and they have it.
Speaker 1: And they drafted two of the two of the better
Speaker 1: players on their team in Trent McDuffie and Karloftis Yeah right.
Speaker 1: I mean, those two guys have changed the team. I
Speaker 1: also think we were when we got home, yes stay
Speaker 1: from the live thing, and we had the Dolphins or
Speaker 1: the Vikings game on for the entire third quarter the
Speaker 1: highest paid wide receiver Justin Jefferson was miked up with
Speaker 1: their crew and just having a good time, and you're like,
Speaker 1: this guy feels like he's pretty easy to be around. Yes,
Speaker 1: And one theme that coming out of Dolphins camp is
Speaker 1: that relationship of the stuff Tyreek said after the season
Speaker 1: in two like, no, we're not just all good. You
Speaker 1: don't just and then I just saw a headline right
Speaker 1: before we jumped on that you know, teams are sniffing
Speaker 1: around about trading for him, Like what teams like a
Speaker 1: really good team? Now maybe you never know. I would
Speaker 1: never like McVeigh might just go, yeah, we'll do it.
Speaker 1: But I bet there are some good, well run teams
Speaker 1: that are like, we're not even messing with, not even
Speaker 1: worth it unless you eat so much money where if
Speaker 1: it doesn't work, we can just cut him immediately something
Speaker 1: like that. But he went from being a really good
Speaker 1: asset a couple of years ago, I mean even when
Speaker 1: Miami got him, he's putting up huge numbers to now
Speaker 1: I bet there are a lot of Super Bowl contenders
Speaker 1: that are like, yeah, we wouldn't even be in that business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Travis Hunter will be the athlete of note in
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Speaker 2: So you and I had a long discussion watching the
Speaker 2: Jets and the Packers last night over at Tito's, and
Speaker 2: we we probably spent an hour just you and I
Speaker 2: before my crazy in laws came over. And one of
Speaker 2: the things you talked me into is, I've said all
Speaker 2: off season I don't know what the heck to do
Speaker 2: with the Packers. They won double digit games last year,
Speaker 2: and Jordan Love was hurt early and didn't play great late. Okay,
Speaker 2: but I was thinking about this when I woke up
Speaker 2: and you went to the airport, and I was.
Speaker 1: Thinking about this.
Speaker 2: I'm like Detroit's coordinators, their replacements really worry me. Chicago's
Speaker 2: offense in Kleb really worries me. JJ McCarthy. I don't
Speaker 2: think there's any question that Viking staff is just trying
Speaker 2: to build his confidence up. The whole camp is about
Speaker 2: his confidence. I think I'm gonna take that. Even though
Speaker 2: the Packers got boat raced by the Jets, I think
Speaker 2: I'm gonna end up before we get to JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna take the Packers. They've had a
Speaker 2: quiet offseason, and I think that stuff matters. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've got an Alliance team that will not be as
Speaker 2: good because they lost two of the best coordinators, whether
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson hit his coaches, they were
Speaker 2: great coordinators. You know, Aaron Glenn had a top ten defense.
Speaker 2: They had like four starters out. I mean interesting, you know,
Speaker 2: in an offensive division, and I just I think you've
Speaker 2: talked me into it is And McIntyre has been on
Speaker 2: this too. Good coach Jordan loves healthy. Green Bay is
Speaker 2: probably gonna win that division.
Speaker 1: Well, you wrote the Lions off after the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame game. I'm out. I wouldn't go that far though.
Speaker 1: The theme of losing those two guys, I mean the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game, I get. I mean they did
Speaker 1: look bad, but I do think losing those two guys
Speaker 1: what Aaron Glenn brought to the table in terms of emotion,
Speaker 1: let alone the scheme. I mean, he was kind of
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of that team and then bend the brains.
Speaker 1: It's just how do you replace that, right? I mean
Speaker 1: it's like any industry, any business, losing two employees at
Speaker 1: that high level, even if you hit on one of
Speaker 1: the two, there's gonna be a you know, probably a
Speaker 1: dramatic drop off on one of them. And if it's
Speaker 1: the offense, that would be a big blow to Detroit
Speaker 1: because offensively, that's really where they separated. You know. I
Speaker 1: do think Minnesota has a better roster removed so obviously
Speaker 1: than the Packers. And you could argue, beside the Eagles
Speaker 1: in the NFC, no one's even on their level. You
Speaker 1: could argue, minus the quarterbacks, they're right there with the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I mean, they got a pretty special roster. But I
Speaker 1: just think there's something about the Packers. I mean, we're
Speaker 1: talking about it. I didn't even quite realize. You know,
Speaker 1: you live by the lake, and then you kind of
Speaker 1: pull the map and you see that Green Bays not
Speaker 1: really that far, and then I realized, I get why
Speaker 1: the Bears are so jealous of the Packers. You got
Speaker 1: the big one of the great cities in the world,
Speaker 1: and you got this little town up the road, and
Speaker 1: they've been kicking the Bears ass for thirty years, and
Speaker 1: now they're on their third quarterback it's one thing, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: far if I get it, we'll tip our hat to you.
Speaker 1: Then you get Rogers like we're really gonna have to
Speaker 1: take this for fifteen years. And now you get Jordan
Speaker 1: Love who he had a couple throws yesterday. His talent
Speaker 1: is as you get Jacob's there. Their offensive line is
Speaker 1: always good, they're highing this young quarterback. Their defense is
Speaker 1: now good. They're just that program that they're never going
Speaker 1: to be sexy, like you know, like they're Ohio State
Speaker 1: football or you know what Andy Reid was early with
Speaker 1: Mahomes and that we don't talk about them like that post.
Speaker 1: But last year they won eleven games, and they won
Speaker 1: one in the Division one one and their quarterback got
Speaker 1: hurt week one, which had to throw them off a
Speaker 1: little bit, even though they won the next couple weeks
Speaker 1: with Malik Willis, which to me shows their coach is
Speaker 1: pretty good. You know, their coach is pretty He's unlike
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, like he's won some playoff games. So I
Speaker 1: won the gambling values there. I mean, you're getting like
Speaker 1: two and a half to one to win the division.
Speaker 1: Google how many times they've won the Division The last
Speaker 1: three years. I mean, they just do it a lot.
Speaker 1: I do think there's some internal pressure now that they
Speaker 1: got that Murphy guy. The president who kind of works
Speaker 1: as the owner is now Carmen Policy's son, Ed's in charge.
Speaker 1: So I mean this is a very like there's some
Speaker 1: of the line for Goodikins and Lafleur in a weird
Speaker 1: way because they have a new boss. I just think
Speaker 1: they're flying under the radar. I mean, all we do
Speaker 1: is talk about the Bears and the Vikings because their
Speaker 1: new quarterbacks. No one talks about.
Speaker 2: The Packers, you know, and there's a lot of different
Speaker 2: ways to win. In Philadelphia. We don't think they have
Speaker 2: the best head coach, but they have the best roster.
Speaker 2: In Long Ange, Angelus, we don't think they have the
Speaker 2: best roster, but we love the quarterback and the coach.
Speaker 2: You know, Green Bay, it's continuity. The division's got all
Speaker 2: sorts of turmoil, losing coordinators in Chicago, can't get the quarterback, right,
Speaker 2: is JJ McCarthy right? It just continuity is it's I
Speaker 2: don't even know the comp IBM like Microsoft, Microsoft has
Speaker 2: been great.
Speaker 1: It missed on the phone.
Speaker 2: There have been moments, but you look up and you're like, yeah, Ai,
Speaker 2: Microsoft's good. Green Bay has been really ahead of the
Speaker 2: curve on quarterbacks. They draft them early. They never draft
Speaker 2: offensive linemen in the first round. I couldn't tell you
Speaker 2: the best offensive line. And you and I talked about this.
Speaker 1: These stwords.
Speaker 2: A book written years ago called maybe thirty years ago,
Speaker 2: called The Millionaire next Door, and it was about how
Speaker 2: many people live next door to you. They pay off
Speaker 2: their home, they have a four to oh one K.
Speaker 2: They live under their means, and they're millionaires and they
Speaker 2: don't have huge salaries. And that really is the Packers.
Speaker 2: They're missing a barstool leg right. They don't have that
Speaker 2: free agent leg Whereas a Philadelphia a Miami, at certain
Speaker 2: places there are people want to go play in La Devonte.
Speaker 2: Adams didn't take, didn't have to arm wrestle them to
Speaker 2: get them to Sean McVay and Stafford in the Rams right,
Speaker 2: like green Bay didn't have that. So they have to
Speaker 2: draft and develop, like the school teachers have to be
Speaker 2: smart with their money to become millionaires in Green Bay
Speaker 2: when you're forced. I don't think it's a coincidence that
Speaker 2: both New York teams are a bit of a mess.
Speaker 2: Why because they have great game day revenue, they've got
Speaker 2: great local radio, TV advertising revenue, and they take big
Speaker 2: swings and they don't do their homework. Green Bay does
Speaker 2: their homework. And I just I look at this organization
Speaker 2: and their continuity, their intelligence, their development. They almost develop
Speaker 2: like a really good college program. They really developed.
Speaker 1: And in my comp you know a lot of times
Speaker 1: in college football, the underling goes and as a coach
Speaker 1: somewhere else, right, like Sark's not at Alabama, right, Lane
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's not at Alabama. Typically these guys go off.
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, when they tried to replace Pete Carroll
Speaker 1: didn't go well. But in basketball, think about when Roy
Speaker 1: Williams replaced Steen Smith finally because he just knew what
Speaker 1: worked in that program. Or John Schier now with coach
Speaker 1: k Like, there is a blueprint in that program that
Speaker 1: they know works. Gutikins was taught from Ted Thompson, who
Speaker 1: was taught from run Wolf. Like, there is a consistent
Speaker 1: theme in that organization that has never changed, which is
Speaker 1: pretty rare when you have turnover like the Eagles. How
Speaker 1: he's been there for decades, right, so it's him. But
Speaker 1: when you look at like the Ravens. They went from
Speaker 1: Ozzie to DaCosta, so they have thought the you know,
Speaker 1: a very similar path. You'd even go from Kevin Colbert
Speaker 1: to Omar Kahan now with the Steelers, like he's he
Speaker 1: was taught under that. It's pretty rare because a lot
Speaker 1: of times you fire someone, you bring in the best
Speaker 1: teams executive, right, That is not what is happening with
Speaker 1: the Backers for decades. So there is connections. Like Gutikins
Speaker 1: can tell story that Ron Wolf told Ted Thompson about
Speaker 1: what they did in nineteen ninety four with Reggie White
Speaker 1: and Brett Farver trading for this guy or cutting this guy,
Speaker 1: and that is pretty rare. Like John Lynch can't tell
Speaker 1: stories of stuff that happened with Bill Walsh, like the
Speaker 1: personnel moves in nineteen eighty nine were less snead with
Speaker 1: Mike Martz and Dick for Meal back in nineteen ninety nine.
Speaker 1: It's just that's pretty rare. And I think that's the
Speaker 1: only reason that this little town a couple hours above
Speaker 1: you sitting right now dominates these big cities, because you
Speaker 1: and I are sitting there going god, Minnesota is a
Speaker 1: well run franchise. It's just I know, they've never won
Speaker 1: the super Bowl in the modern era. They just they've
Speaker 1: gotten closed. They've had awesome team, they've been good, most
Speaker 1: of them. The Kansas the kid.
Speaker 2: And if Mahomes goes to the Chiefs, if Mahomes goes
Speaker 2: to the Vikings, not the Chiefs, because Kansas City has
Speaker 2: always had good quarterbacks. They won Hanks stran Len Dawson,
Speaker 2: But Kansas City always had good coaches, good quarterbacks. They
Speaker 2: drafted well, a lot of great players. I mean, ray
Speaker 2: Lewis always told me he hated playing the Chiefs. With
Speaker 2: Willie Rove, Tony Gonzali raised like I hated playing the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Their O line was unbelievable.
Speaker 2: If Mahomes goes to the Vikings not the Chiefs, you'd
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, well, they were always well run. They
Speaker 2: just have never landed. They thought it was Dante Culpepper.
Speaker 2: They thought it was Kirk Cousins, you know, Sam Fran
Speaker 2: Tarkin and was good back in the seventies, running around
Speaker 2: one of the first like five eleven six foot quarterbacks
Speaker 2: out of Georgia. But they just have never like consistently
Speaker 2: had you know, they got far for a couple of
Speaker 2: years and they were a player two away from the
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So I tend to just I tend to
Speaker 2: look at Minnesota respectfully, Like the Twins can't compete in
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. The t Wolves weren't always well run.
Speaker 2: The Vikings have been well run since Bud Grant always.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's a knock right on the Bears.
Speaker 1: Ownership's cheap, that's a fact. The Packers, I mean, they
Speaker 1: haven't had one, but they've had a unique infrastructure. And
Speaker 1: the Lions, up until Dan and Brad Holmes got there,
Speaker 1: were the running joke of the NFL. And the Vikings
Speaker 1: just even look back like Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins ever
Speaker 1: gone to the Hall of Fame. He's going to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame of Bank Accounts for doing what he
Speaker 1: pulled off. But they signed Kirk Cousins and they were
Speaker 1: just good. And they beat Drew Brees in a playoff
Speaker 1: game a couple of years ago. They hosted a playoff
Speaker 1: game which they lost the Giants, but they had a
Speaker 1: really good record. Like they're just well run. And I think,
Speaker 1: you know, we were watching some of the highlights. You know,
Speaker 1: it's hard in these preseason games, like Chador played a lot, right,
Speaker 1: he gets twenty three attempts.
Speaker 2: Most of these guys at seven get a series.
Speaker 1: And then they're out sis like they went three to seven.
Speaker 1: It's hard. JJ definitely has some physical attributes. And you know,
Speaker 1: I've been I guess on the negative side, and I
Speaker 1: started thinking, listen, maybe he doesn't even have to be
Speaker 1: that great. Their team's so good if he is just
Speaker 1: the twentieth best quarterback, has some games where he's the tenth,
Speaker 1: has a couple of clunkers, but.
Speaker 2: They could win a couple of games where his comp
Speaker 2: to me is brought Purdy is that he inherits Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 2: He gets Christian McCaffrey, a Trent Williams, George Kittling, all
Speaker 2: these receivers. If he and so do you think brock
Speaker 2: Purdy does that if he goes to tone deaf offensive Pittsburgh. No,
Speaker 2: he doesn't do that, but he as he's learning the
Speaker 2: game behind Garoppolo. Garoppolo gets hurt. You're like, oh, Brock's
Speaker 2: got you know, three years, four years of college starts.
Speaker 2: He was ready to play. JJ's issue is brock Purdy
Speaker 2: played at Iowa State. He trailed a lot. He got
Speaker 2: hit a lot. He didn't play with great players. JJ
Speaker 2: McCarthy is like a trust fund kid, like he never
Speaker 2: got punished, he never got pushed, he never trailed. Life
Speaker 2: was never hard. So but I believe like Brock when
Speaker 2: he inherits the job after Garoppolo's injury, just don't run
Speaker 2: the Mercedes into the tree in the driveway. The truth is,
Speaker 2: Minnesota's roster is like Denver. It's way better than people
Speaker 2: we pay attention to Philadelphia or Baltimore. I'm telling you
Speaker 2: right now. Minnesota left tackle like running backs, receiving crew,
Speaker 2: edge rushers like Minnesota stacked.
Speaker 1: You could make the argument that the best two rosters
Speaker 1: in the NFL are the Eagles in the Minnesota Vikings,
Speaker 1: and then the AFC ones the top guy, you know,
Speaker 1: like the Ravens or the Chiefs. I think most people
Speaker 1: consider the Ravens top to bottom. Typically you're in, you're
Speaker 1: out the best roster. That's why they kind of disappointed
Speaker 1: sometimes when they let down. Even last year when the
Speaker 1: Bills beat him, You're like, I don't think the Bills
Speaker 1: are as good as a race. They just win that
Speaker 1: game or not. But that's the thing with the Minnesota
Speaker 1: They have had. I'd even go back to a decade
Speaker 1: ago with Mike Zimmer. I mean they had excellent players
Speaker 1: with Spielman was the GM. They always have impact Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl guys and it just comes down Cousins wasn't quite
Speaker 1: good enough right now. The difference is they got Cousins
Speaker 1: a little older. He already had some scar tissue. He
Speaker 1: had some true limitations. It had to be in the pocket.
Speaker 1: He couldn't add lip. One of the I mean his
Speaker 1: best throw of the day, I don't even win did
Speaker 1: he play yesterday morning or yesterday afternoon? Was that rolling
Speaker 1: to his left. He has physical attributes that I think
Speaker 1: part of the reason they got off Cousins. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously you had the achilles, but even when he was healthy,
Speaker 1: they were true limitations. Like with GoF they can't move,
Speaker 1: and let's a coach wants pretty bails Kyle out sometimes
Speaker 1: just because he's got some athleticism right, and that's gonna
Speaker 1: be an element that can help him out, especially early on.
Speaker 1: You can get him layups, moving around. They got the
Speaker 1: best wide receiver in the league. I think Addison got suspended.
Speaker 1: He was thwing him a couple of times. Just fair.
Speaker 1: I mean he is I mean when he's on him,
Speaker 1: it's that's pretty damn good those two guys. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: and then they got it. They have added offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: They can really run the ball. To me, that's what
Speaker 1: Kyle Kevin O'Connell needs to kind of lean on Early.
Speaker 1: That's the easiest way to take a little pressure off
Speaker 1: the kid. Early run the ball a little bit and
Speaker 1: just helped him out. But he does like the pass.
Speaker 1: You know, he got confident in san donoald Early. He's like,
Speaker 1: let it rip. Because I've said it forever. His comp
Speaker 1: is not Kyle Shanahan as Sean mcvah Andy Reid. He
Speaker 1: wants to bomb at fifty times a game. You know,
Speaker 1: Kyle would rather win. Kyle would have no problem going
Speaker 1: thirteen and five and leading the league in rushing and
Speaker 1: average his quarterback averaging nineteen attempts a game. That is
Speaker 1: not how McVeigh. Definitely, Andy Reid and I would put
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell in that bucket, which I don't blame it.
Speaker 1: We all got our different philosophies, but you got to
Speaker 1: be careful with a young quarterback, you know, calling passes
Speaker 1: NonStop early in games on first down, cause if it
Speaker 1: goes wrong, it can it. He got a little bit
Speaker 1: of a pass. I thought last year. I'm not saying
Speaker 1: Sam Darnoble was perfect, and obviously he played bad, especially
Speaker 1: in the Detroit game, but in the playoff game, he
Speaker 1: could have settled down the game a little bit and
Speaker 1: ran the ball and he just refused to call runs.
Speaker 1: And I think that, But that's back to McDaniel. You
Speaker 1: can't hide who you are as a coach, no different
Speaker 1: than you know you approach a radio show up podcast
Speaker 1: certain ways, like everyone has their own styles and you
Speaker 1: kind of stay true to that, especially the older and
Speaker 1: more success you have. So that that to me, I'm
Speaker 1: going to be fascinated watching that early on, like how
Speaker 1: he treats this, Like is he cool starting the season
Speaker 1: four and one but only having him average let's say
Speaker 1: twenty pass attempts a game, and really like we're going
Speaker 1: to try to lead the league in rushing in September,
Speaker 1: because that's how he should be talking, just even if
Speaker 1: he's bullsh on the player in practice, just to ease
Speaker 1: his start into the year. I mean last year with
Speaker 1: Caleb it was like throwing nonstops, like this is not
Speaker 1: gonna work, guys, This is unfair to the guy.
Speaker 2: So I thought it was interesting. Apparently Jim Harbaugh loved
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, the receiver that went to Jacksonville, who was
Speaker 2: great as a rookie. But he drafted Joe Alt. And
Speaker 2: they had a great left tackle in Shaan Slater. But
Speaker 2: and Alt was the best tackle in the draft. So
Speaker 2: Harbaugh drafts Joe Alt. He was inconsistent. But I was
Speaker 2: told inside the building that they thought Alt was going
Speaker 2: to be a pro Bowl level right tackle this year.
Speaker 2: Now Slater now gets hurt season ending injury. Heartbreaking for
Speaker 2: the kid. Great player. My guess is they moved Alt
Speaker 2: over the left and then they you know, they've got
Speaker 2: multiple guys that can play right. But I thought it,
Speaker 2: and they I thought, once again, this is where Harbaugh's
Speaker 2: really smart. Everybody wanted them to take a receiver. Remember
Speaker 2: they'd lost Keenan Allen, They'd lost Mike Williams. Everybody in
Speaker 2: the world thought it was a wide receiver. The Bears
Speaker 2: to Roma Dunze, right, the Bears could have used an
Speaker 2: offensive linement. Let's be honest, the Bears didn't need Roma Dunzee.
Speaker 2: They could use Joe Alt last year in the offensive
Speaker 2: line Harbaugh gets Joe Alt, and a year later it's prescient.
Speaker 2: I mean you look at it and you're like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: if they didn't draft Joel, where would they beat today?
Speaker 2: Lad mcconky's excellent. Keenan Allen comes back, he'll be your classic,
Speaker 2: you know, forty eight catches, sixty catches, third down guy.
Speaker 2: But it goes back to Harbaugh's the opposite of Mike
Speaker 2: McDaniel everywhere he goes. I remember Stanford. I can remember
Speaker 2: his second year at Stanford. People are like, they're not
Speaker 2: any good, but they're the most physical team in the
Speaker 2: Pac ten. They went into USC and the Coliseum as
Speaker 2: a forty point dog in one, and they were beating
Speaker 2: on us like they were physical. And I think it
Speaker 2: goes when we bang on a Mike McDaniel, it's like Harbor.
Speaker 1: Is always true to who he is.
Speaker 2: So even though the Rashawn Slater injury is brutal, the
Speaker 2: Joel Alt draft pick to some degree saves them.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yeah, I mean, it's why they always
Speaker 1: say you get you can't draft for need. You got
Speaker 1: to draft the best player available, and a left tackle
Speaker 1: is always should be more valuable than a wide receiver
Speaker 1: I mean it was always if he's good, don't always
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and they nailed that. I do think they'll
Speaker 1: big picture, like everyone's saying that he's like he's gonna
Speaker 1: take Molik neighbors, Like, guys, have you not followed this
Speaker 1: guy's career. But a huge reason I was bullish on
Speaker 1: him last year. I even if I don't think they're
Speaker 1: gonna be as good as some teams, like I don't
Speaker 1: put them on the top tier in the AFC, I
Speaker 1: would bet on them being good again. This is a
Speaker 1: pretty big blow because their team is roster wise, is
Speaker 1: not as sexy as the other guys they're chasing. And
Speaker 1: a huge point of you know, kind of where they
Speaker 1: separate is they have, you know, the best tackle duo
Speaker 1: in the league, and now they add backed in like
Speaker 1: they were going to be so physical and we know
Speaker 1: Jim Jim Will I have no problem rushing it literally
Speaker 1: every play and he could win go seventeen to zero
Speaker 1: and win every game nine to seven, and he'd be
Speaker 1: the happiest guy in America. But I think anytime that
Speaker 1: you lose a guy in the Domino effect, because like, okay,
Speaker 1: you move him to left tackle, that means your right
Speaker 1: tackle gets worse. Do you try to move back into
Speaker 1: right tackle, that means your guard gets worse, Like it's
Speaker 1: a domino effect. Even though it's a it's the best
Speaker 1: situation given that they drafted Joe Walt that if you're
Speaker 1: going to lose a star left tackle, you have a replacement.
Speaker 1: But it has a huge blow. And even they signed
Speaker 1: Nasie Harris like they're going to pound two running backs
Speaker 1: and he messed up his eye. Clearly can't do anything,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's it's not good. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not very I wouldn't be bullish on him starting
Speaker 1: the season early. I mean, he clearly is not even
Speaker 1: close to practicing. So I think the Chargers are just
Speaker 1: in a weird spot. Now they got Jim Harbod their
Speaker 1: floor is so high they could have a season from
Speaker 1: hell and win eight games. But I think that was
Speaker 1: not just to devastating injury. My dad again, he was
Speaker 1: a fifty year old guy, Taurus battel attendant when he
Speaker 1: was like fifty years old, and it was never the same.
Speaker 1: That is not an acl that that is not a
Speaker 1: broken arm or broken leg. That is the devastating knee injury.
Speaker 1: So that's that scary big picture too, especially because you
Speaker 1: know cap wise they just invested. I mean, I think
Speaker 1: in a I'm not trying to be doomsday or here,
Speaker 1: but you almost have to say, this might never be
Speaker 1: the same with this individual player. So now, luckily Jim
Speaker 1: Harbaugh is you know, might as well be an offensive
Speaker 1: line guy, so he'll be able to figure something out.
Speaker 1: But you usually don't replace you know, even if you
Speaker 1: can replace left tackle, then the right tackle. The drop
Speaker 1: off at that position, you could argue from a high
Speaker 1: end tackle to the backup is almost like a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It's a precipitous drop off. The backup is typically in
Speaker 1: a different stratus.
Speaker 2: Fuld than that. It goes back to George Young, the
Speaker 2: late great general manager of the New York Giants, and
Speaker 2: Paul Brown and George Young. There are people that just
Speaker 2: you know, Ted Thompson in Green Bay, like had a
Speaker 2: theory on drafting and he used to call it the
Speaker 2: planet theory George Young did, which was there are only
Speaker 2: so many six six, three hundred and twenty five pound
Speaker 2: men annually born in America eventually to become that that
Speaker 2: have good feet and are really really have long arms.
Speaker 2: Like I've always said, after quarterback left tackle is I
Speaker 2: mean I would take a great left tackle over Michael Parsons.
Speaker 2: I mean I would, I wouldn't. I mean outside of
Speaker 2: a Lawrence Tales, Miles Garrett, not even hesitation because the
Speaker 2: man upstairs, I'm not overly religious, but the man upstairs
Speaker 2: makes a lot of six four, two hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: pound guys who could run fast and rush the passer.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a surplus. Almost every team's got somebody
Speaker 2: who's really good at the edge. There's six good left
Speaker 2: tackles in the game. And if the thirty best of
Speaker 2: all time, I think twenty seven were drafted in the
Speaker 2: first round, like they don't show up in a city
Speaker 2: you can get brought Purty in the seventh and Kurt
Speaker 2: Owner undrafted, you know, Antonio Gates, and not a lot
Speaker 2: of great left tackles all time that went in even
Speaker 2: the fourth round. So to lose Rashawn Slater, who I
Speaker 2: think was the eleventh, twelve, thirteenth pick, it's it's a
Speaker 2: devastating blow.
Speaker 1: I also think, if I wanted to argue the other side,
Speaker 1: part of the reason that Jim Harbaugh is worth so
Speaker 1: much and his value is so high is because no
Speaker 1: one in their right mind could get in front of
Speaker 1: a team and give a speech like we're gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: But that's what you have to do in his role.
Speaker 1: Especially it's when did he get hurt? August sixth, I mean,
Speaker 1: we got a long way to go here. We're a
Speaker 1: month out from week one, and I think he's good
Speaker 1: enough because, let's face it, he's a little psychotic. He's
Speaker 1: this kind of crazy in a weird way and optimist.
Speaker 1: He's a very optimistic human being that he could get
Speaker 1: up there and still breathe light in like Mike McDaniel, Dude,
Speaker 1: do I think like? I mean, it's shown when Tua
Speaker 1: goes down, they just implode because whatever he's saying, no
Speaker 1: one believes them. If you told me Herbert missed a month,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I bet Jim could go to and
Speaker 1: two because he can just instill some confidence that no
Speaker 1: one has. And that's where the Chargers finally opening the
Speaker 1: checkbook for a high end coach. It's valuable for this.
Speaker 1: So this is a year that a bad coach could
Speaker 1: just implode and you go six and eleven, but wouldn't
Speaker 1: shock anyone if the Chargers are just like the grittiest
Speaker 1: nine to eight team in the league because of Jim.
Speaker 1: That's you know, when it's like it shouldn't be this way.
Speaker 1: Their offensive line, like they maybe have to rotate some
Speaker 1: tackles whoever's filling in for all spot, and it's like
Speaker 1: they just kind of figure it out and they just
Speaker 1: kind of tough their way there. They win a couple
Speaker 1: of games like fifteen to thirteen. I mean, they're gonna
Speaker 1: do that even when they're really good one day. But
Speaker 1: this is where Jim's value comes in in moments like this.
Speaker 2: Let's finish it up. Talking about Jackson Dark So I
Speaker 2: thought he was more of a second or third round pick.
Speaker 2: Good looking kid. I watched a lot of them at
Speaker 2: ole Miss used to be at USC. He's got a
Speaker 2: nice arm, and I was kind of like, go either
Speaker 2: way on him. And then I watched him play Florida
Speaker 2: in Gainesville and that was a big game for ole
Speaker 2: Miss and he just didn't play well at all. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, that's a big spot. You got to
Speaker 2: play better than that. And I mean, people have bad games,
Speaker 2: but that wasn't. Elaine Kiffin lost, Like it was just
Speaker 2: a bad game. And so I'm like, you know, he's
Speaker 2: probably a late second. So the Giants who got into
Speaker 2: a rough spot it's New York, and I think they
Speaker 2: reached a little bit because the people I had talked
Speaker 2: to liked Jackson Dart but thought he was high second round.
Speaker 2: He went late first. Whatever, it's quarterback. You and I
Speaker 2: are both okay, reach out of quarterback. So he played
Speaker 2: pretty well twelve nine team had a couple of really
Speaker 2: nice throws. He moves pretty well. I mean, he wasn't
Speaker 2: severely overdrafted, especially with a position. But here's the interesting thing.
Speaker 2: So next year's a very good quarterback draft class. This year,
Speaker 2: the Giant schedule is the toughest in the league, especially
Speaker 2: the first eight weeks. My guess is this is why
Speaker 2: I didn't like drafting Jackson Dart. If you don't play him,
Speaker 2: can you draft another quarterback with a top pick? You're
Speaker 2: better off playing Russ. He gets you know, he takes
Speaker 2: the criticism. I would keep the coach, but the GM
Speaker 2: gets fired that the owner will probably move both out
Speaker 2: and you start over again with a new quarterback. So
Speaker 2: could I make this argument just play Jackson Dart after
Speaker 2: about week three? If you look at the schedule, there'll
Speaker 2: be an underdog. I think in their first eight weeks
Speaker 2: they could be an underdog each week. Play Russell the
Speaker 2: first couple, appease him and go with Jackson Dart at
Speaker 2: least then next year you can say, listen, we gave
Speaker 2: the kid a run, we think he's a great back,
Speaker 2: or somebody likes him and goes. But my take is,
Speaker 2: having Russell play the first eight weeks, you're going to
Speaker 2: draft another quarterback with the first pick of Jackson. I
Speaker 2: mean Arizona had Josh Rosen played him, he struggled. Every
Speaker 2: buddy bought into we're getting a new quarterback might take it.
Speaker 2: You can't not play Jackson Dart and then draft a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Then it looks like a really bad pick. What do
Speaker 2: you do if you're the Giant's brain trust with Jackson Dart.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not apples to apples because one guy was
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick and the other guy went like
Speaker 1: twenty four. But to me, it's got a lot of
Speaker 1: shade or Sanders. No one's gonna want to watch Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson after about fifteen snaps. This team's not very good,
Speaker 1: And if I was a fan, I just wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to watch Russell Wilson. Now, the difference is Stefanski really
Speaker 1: likes Flacco. I could see Brian Dave all being out
Speaker 1: on Russell. And we've seen some other coaches.
Speaker 2: Both Pete and Sean fast.
Speaker 1: Quick and clearly Arthur Smith more than Tomlin wanted to
Speaker 1: pivot back to justin fields. He wasn't feeling it. So
Speaker 1: I could see this thing pivoting quick the other thing.
Speaker 1: And listen, I know the ownership doesn't want to get
Speaker 1: too involved, but we got to know, so I get
Speaker 1: this guy fourteen starts. He also likes Shador. These guys
Speaker 1: played a lot in college, so it's not this is
Speaker 1: not one of those situations, like you know, Jim Harbaugh
Speaker 1: just played Trey Lance in the Hall of Fame game,
Speaker 1: like into the third late in the third quarter. He's
Speaker 1: just trying to get the kid reps and hopefully like
Speaker 1: someone likes him. He's third string quarterback, but he's never
Speaker 1: played how many starts Jackson Dart have in the SEC
Speaker 1: hell he was starting at USC before he transferred, remember
Speaker 1: because they had some injuries or I forget exactly the
Speaker 1: way it played out, but just what are we waiting for?
Speaker 1: And this is always a personnel thing, you know, with
Speaker 1: coaching staff, because like, well, he doesn't quite know the
Speaker 1: offense yet. It's like, well, coach, we're losing forty to
Speaker 1: ten each week. So the quarterback that knows the offense
Speaker 1: sure as hell can't run it, so we might as
Speaker 1: well just go with the young guy. Throw him in.
Speaker 1: Especially now, and these coaches have talked about it more.
Speaker 1: These guys are much more prepared coming into the NFL
Speaker 1: in the sense of they've thrown so much right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: they you know, is it an easy transition to every
Speaker 1: offense coming from college. Of course not, but a lot
Speaker 1: of people have said, you know, Lane's offense has really
Speaker 1: matured over the years and some of the stuff. That's
Speaker 1: why they kind of liked him. So I think I
Speaker 1: would Tree Jackson Dart if I'm one in three boom
Speaker 1: He's I.
Speaker 2: Would do it.
Speaker 1: The fan base they are going to want no part
Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson. I mean that. I think the Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson and Flacco you could get booze week one. If
Speaker 1: you're down fifteen points at a half time, I think
Speaker 1: you start getting chance for Shador and Jackson Dart. Do
Speaker 1: you know, I can see that coming from a mile away.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's ever been a player that has
Speaker 2: eroded as quickly as Russell Wilson. I mean, I was
Speaker 2: Team Russ and I knew, you know, I had talked
Speaker 2: to Greg Cosel on the air and off that I
Speaker 2: knew he wasn't great from the pocket, but he threw
Speaker 2: the best rainbow ball.
Speaker 1: He was elusive.
Speaker 2: He was like not as athletic as Kyler Murray, but
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of Kyler Murray where you're
Speaker 2: like nobody can get Nobody got a shot on him
Speaker 2: for years, and because of baseball, he was a great slider,
Speaker 2: unlike a Lamar Jackson or Michael Vick, who are better
Speaker 2: athletes but get popped. Like nobody ever hit Russ. And
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he goes to Denver and
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, this is he looked puffy, he almost
Speaker 2: got stronger. It's like he worked out too much. He
Speaker 2: got slower, thicker, you know whatever. It was kind of
Speaker 2: disconnected from reality, like he was Pete Carroll and that
Speaker 2: defense sort of protected him. And I mean, maybe I
Speaker 2: just overvalued him, but I don't remember ever in my
Speaker 2: lifetime a quarterback in two different environments, being criticized by
Speaker 2: teammates and turning off a legendary head coach quickly, like
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to make of Russ's career.
Speaker 2: I don't even have a comp for it.
Speaker 1: In the NFL, he was way better for longer than
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, but their styles were similar. Once you stopped
Speaker 1: making the place, you're not good within the pocket, and
Speaker 1: your instincts in terms of avoiding sacks are not great.
Speaker 1: So they run into a lot of sacks. And remember,
Speaker 1: for a long time when Russell was still making plays,
Speaker 1: the offensive line would just get destroyed. And internally, I
Speaker 1: don't think our offensive line is that bad. He's running
Speaker 1: into him, but he was making enough to kind of
Speaker 1: scramble outside the tackle, throw a bomb at an opportune time,
Speaker 1: and everyone's like superstar. But he was the only guy
Speaker 1: really playing like that, right. He wasn't doing his work
Speaker 1: inside the pocket because he couldn't. He's not really a
Speaker 1: timing and rhythm guy. He's a playmaker. Same with Deshan.
Speaker 1: The moment that left where they got, they would second
Speaker 1: guess themselves, so they are steps slower, they run into
Speaker 1: more sacks. It dissolves fast, and the offense looks all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you look like the worst offense in
Speaker 1: the league. It's not even functionable. And I think Russell,
Speaker 1: I don't know if his athleticism diminished, you know, in
Speaker 1: his mid thirties, if he started hesitating after a couple
Speaker 1: of bumps and bruises, but that playmaking just disappeared overnight.
Speaker 1: And then he got with a couple of coaches. They're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're not even gonna try to do that play within
Speaker 1: our offense, and he couldn't do it. And then there's
Speaker 1: the element of clearly a little different, like his just personality,
Speaker 1: which works when you're winning. I think can just turn
Speaker 1: off people because the one thing the NFL has, I
Speaker 1: think in a locker room with coaching, it's a pretty
Speaker 1: authentic league, like people are just pretty normal and people
Speaker 1: just themselves. And I think sometimes when people think you're
Speaker 1: being fake, even if he's not, because in farness to Russell,
Speaker 1: he's kind of been the same thing since like Wisconsin,
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know if you can put on, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, uh fake that personality for that long. I
Speaker 1: think that's just who he is. I just don't think
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the NFL are like that,
Speaker 1: so it can't really relate to that. And it's one
Speaker 1: thing when you're winning, put up with anything. You start losing,
Speaker 1: it's like, what the hell is this? You know, this
Speaker 1: is kind of a beer drinking. We've got a lot
Speaker 1: of chew. We're just a bunch of dudes, and we
Speaker 1: got this dude saying this stuff that is like, no
Speaker 1: one talks that. You're talking like a politician or something.
Speaker 1: You're just a quarterback, bro. Can you just act normal?
Speaker 1: Even Tom put on the corporate face in front of
Speaker 1: the mic, then be a guy's guy with grown Kentucky. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he can just be a dude. And that's where Russell,
Speaker 1: that's that's why I think some of these guys have
Speaker 1: turned on them, because some of these guys he's played
Speaker 1: with in the last couple of years that they weren't
Speaker 1: around when he was throwing, you know, in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: all these comeback victories. They don't even know that means
Speaker 1: nothing to them. It's twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I think you saw it last year with DeShawn Now
Speaker 1: he was playing worse, you know. In fairness to Russell,
Speaker 1: Deshawn's a much worse player the last couple years than
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But once you start playing bad, and I
Speaker 1: think we're losing because of you. These players, I mean,
Speaker 1: most guys are not Miles garrett On kind of scholarship
Speaker 1: for years, like you get cut at any moment you
Speaker 1: start losing. Jobs are on the line, so people turn
Speaker 1: on each other quick. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The you know, I was sitting here looking at my notes.
Speaker 2: We haven't really talked about it, but so they're not
Speaker 2: playing Matt Stafford. Rams apparently dominated the Cowboys at that
Speaker 2: practice they had and then they didn't play Matt Stafford,
Speaker 2: and you know, controlled the Cowboys when they played in
Speaker 2: the game. And I have said this, the Cowboys I
Speaker 2: think have one of the weaker staffs. I think the
Speaker 2: Mica and the Trayvon Diggs noise. These guys don't. They
Speaker 2: want new deals. And I mean the Rams are playing
Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett like they're not. They're you know who, by
Speaker 2: the way, I'm not I mean like disappeared came back.
Speaker 2: I'll throw this out if I said to you the
Speaker 2: two bottom teams in the NFL, I think the Giants
Speaker 2: are going to be one mostly because of their quarterback
Speaker 2: situation and their center. I actually like some of their players.
Speaker 2: Their schedules brutal, their schedules absolutely brutal. They're going to
Speaker 2: go zero and four against probably Washington and Philadelphia at best.
Speaker 2: They split with Dallas, but I think we would both
Speaker 2: say the Giants with the schedule, in their quarterback situation,
Speaker 2: it's going to be pretty dire. We know Cleveland and
Speaker 2: the Saints could be really bad. Dallas may not have
Speaker 2: playoff wins over the last thirty years, not many of them.
Speaker 2: Is it possible they are a three win team? Is
Speaker 2: it possible?
Speaker 1: I think it's very difficult. If Dak plays a lot
Speaker 1: of games. If you tell me Dak plays fifteen sixteen games,
Speaker 1: even really shitty, they're probably winning fifteen or sixteen or
Speaker 1: I mean five or six games. One things Jerry's proven
Speaker 1: is they have had guys kind of come out of
Speaker 1: nowhere overshown. They actually draft pretty well, so they get
Speaker 1: some guys they nail their first round picks usually yeah,
Speaker 1: and they get some guys in the mid rounds that
Speaker 1: are just saw some random guy on defense playing safety
Speaker 1: that you didn't Who's this Deron Bland guy from SAX
Speaker 1: State prisone state transfer. They've been a pretty good drafting team.
Speaker 1: Hard to overcome, you know, a coaching staff if you're right,
Speaker 1: they don't have one of the good staffs. I mean,
Speaker 1: this guy was not This guy would not have been
Speaker 1: a coordinator in the league. Now, some stuff, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's perception, it's you know, the buzz of your candidacy.
Speaker 1: Are you high or you low? That matters in the
Speaker 1: NFL or college too. And he was obviously not thought
Speaker 1: of like he once was. But that's a fact. He
Speaker 1: would not have been a coordinator in the league. You know,
Speaker 1: Eberflus people think he's a good defensive coordinator. Well, they
Speaker 1: just re hired him because they knew him, you know,
Speaker 1: because he was coaching on their staff several years ago.
Speaker 1: Kind of a classic Jerry thing. Mike had Parsons. We
Speaker 1: have some I mean, Bosa was it two years ago,
Speaker 1: set out all camp and just wasn't quite the same
Speaker 1: that season. You know, even if you're working on your
Speaker 1: own beside practice in the weight room with the training staff,
Speaker 1: it's not the same as getting the practice rep. So
Speaker 1: even if they signed him September first and he plays
Speaker 1: or I guess they'd probably need to do a little
Speaker 1: before that because they're playing Thursday night football, But the
Speaker 1: expectation for him would have to be tempered a little bit.
Speaker 1: And they they're depending on a ton of young guys
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and that can be very hit
Speaker 1: or miss. Yeah, when it hits, it's awesome. We saw
Speaker 1: the Chiefs kind of doing that last year too, and
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, Well, you know, so it's it
Speaker 1: can flip on you quick. So three fields. I do
Speaker 1: think they have an infrastructure of guys that have won,
Speaker 1: Like even when Mike had comes back, he's won a
Speaker 1: lot of games, Dak Ceedee Lamb. Like, they got some
Speaker 1: solid players. But I do think he could just be
Speaker 1: they could be the last place team in the division
Speaker 1: if if the coach is over his head and they're
Speaker 1: I mean they're pretty top heavy. I mean, Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: pulls amstring. What the hell are you gonna do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, George Pickenson, Yeah, I mean I agree with you,
Speaker 2: and I was a little over the top. I coaching
Speaker 2: is at least thirty to forty percent of this league.
Speaker 2: It's a big part because you know the margins is,
Speaker 2: you know, the average game is decided by four to
Speaker 2: six points. And I mean Mike McCarthy's a good coach
Speaker 2: and struggled in close games. I mean they always had
Speaker 2: too many penalties with Mike McCarthy. They weren't good situationally.
Speaker 2: Some of that is what you know Dak Cooper rush
Speaker 2: Dak got banged up. Dak Now and he's never been
Speaker 2: a great thrower. Dack Now is a pocket quarterback. So
Speaker 2: my take is the George Picken acquisition could end up
Speaker 2: being you know, we all looked at it and went,
Speaker 2: oh boy, oh immature. It may have saved this team
Speaker 2: because you can't roll your coverage over now to just
Speaker 2: ceede Lamb. Because George is such a hard physical matchup,
Speaker 2: with his coaching, with his catching radius. My take is
Speaker 2: there's always an acquisition, and we look at it was
Speaker 2: maybe Xavier McKinney for the Packers or somebody when they
Speaker 2: got him. Didn't the get him with the Giants. You
Speaker 2: look at you're like, god, damn, he's a good football player.
Speaker 2: I think the George Pickens thing really ends up kind
Speaker 2: of at least making the Cowboys a good watch. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'll watch I want to watch Pickens with Zak. I
Speaker 2: did I really do I want.
Speaker 1: To watch him with brun Shott Nimers. He listening to him,
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't listening to Mike Tomlins's gonna listen
Speaker 1: to that guy. I think one Gruden talked about this,
Speaker 1: Mike Lombardi talked about this those latter years of Al Davis,
Speaker 1: and it was always probably like this. But when it
Speaker 1: got really out of control, players knew that when the
Speaker 1: coordinator the head coach got mad at him, they would
Speaker 1: just circumvent them and go right to the owner's office
Speaker 1: because they knew he was in charge if he wanted
Speaker 1: to of the plays of who got cut like he was,
Speaker 1: he was very involved in football and he was making
Speaker 1: all the decisions. That is not the case with all
Speaker 1: the teams. Right, if you play for the Chiefs, you
Speaker 1: know who the bosses, Andy Reid, you know you play
Speaker 1: for the good teams. You know the boss, the head coach,
Speaker 1: and the GM. You're not circumventing them to the owner
Speaker 1: right when that happens. Remember when Chip Kelly got fired
Speaker 1: in Philly, and like some of the players were talking
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Lury, it was like, that's never a good sign.
Speaker 1: You know what you have it you don't hear that
Speaker 1: In Philadelphia? They know Howie and Sirianne like, if you
Speaker 1: you got an issue, you go to them, right. And
Speaker 1: I think that these players, especially the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: because Jerry in the social media world we live in,
Speaker 1: he's so out front, he talks so much. They do
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, who had won a Super Bowl and won
Speaker 1: a ton of games, like, ultimatelybody, you're not the boss, right,
Speaker 1: We'll go to Jerry if we have an issue, and
Speaker 1: then and then I'll just become a public thing and
Speaker 1: it becomes a shit show. I think it's hard to
Speaker 1: overcome that, and I think they almost did, because, let's
Speaker 1: face it, like Mike kind of knows what he's doing.
Speaker 1: He has some limitations, and I you know, he's got
Speaker 1: exposed a couple times in the playoffs, but he's a
Speaker 1: pretty good coach. Went twelve games three years in a
Speaker 1: row with with Jerry, which is not easy to do.
Speaker 1: Is Brian gonna be able to handle that? Like a
Speaker 1: what if Mike Parsons doesn't like what Eberflus is telling him.
Speaker 1: Once he's finally signed, let's go. I mean he's already
Speaker 1: been meet with Jerry. He just go to Jerry's office, Hey, Jerry,
Speaker 1: we got this is not Can you talk to Evira
Speaker 1: Fluis about running this coverage? Because that was a classic thing.
Speaker 1: Now Al was more involved, like truly with the scheme.
Speaker 1: But if I was a player and I had if
Speaker 1: I thought the coach was an idiot, and I had
Speaker 1: an owner like Jerry, I'd go right up to his
Speaker 1: officer give him a call, Jerry Steven, this is not
Speaker 1: going to work for me. And that is a media implosion,
Speaker 1: And that might be if this team really goes down,
Speaker 1: that could be something that Dak and his leadership couldn't
Speaker 1: even overcome. That's where it could really be a problem.
Speaker 1: And I do think the gap between a Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: and Brian Schottenheimer could be like at the forefront, be like,
Speaker 1: there's a gap between those two guys. And remember last
Speaker 1: year Mike Dak got injured with the hamstring injury, and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they're fucked. And then as the
Speaker 1: season went on, you're like, you know, there's pretty respect
Speaker 1: what they did the way it was just like they're
Speaker 1: a well run operation. There's a big gap. And we
Speaker 1: talked about this with Jim Harbaugh. They could be a disaster,
Speaker 1: but they'll still win eight or nine games, not two
Speaker 1: or three, right like they did with that year with
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley when they imploded. Well, the difference between eight
Speaker 1: and three or four can be a couple of players
Speaker 1: just quitting on you in October and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you kind of like start questioning yourself and
Speaker 1: it can't implod. So maybe worst case scenario, you get
Speaker 1: weird stuff happening in an injury. Players quit on you
Speaker 1: and don't believe in you. It could be a problem,
Speaker 1: and that would be Jerry's fault. Jerry's created this. You know,
Speaker 1: culture gets thrown around a lot, but the culture in
Speaker 1: Dallas is just Jerry, right. You just kind of do
Speaker 1: what Jerry wants. Jerry's in control. Mike McCarthy plays out
Speaker 1: his last season. That was bizarre the way he does.
Speaker 1: These players, I mean, they're just kind of run right
Speaker 1: now really unlike all the respectable teams. And you know,
Speaker 1: for three years with Mike McCarthy, I know, they bombed
Speaker 1: out the playoff. They were respectable twelve games every year,
Speaker 1: really good players. But all the other teams they're competing,
Speaker 1: the Packers, the Niners, all the teams they are losing
Speaker 1: to They don't operate anything like that with their owner.
Speaker 1: But it's not going to stop as long as you know.
Speaker 1: It feels like it's getting worse, doesn't it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, I think going back to your initial comment, I
Speaker 2: think they they're starting to feel like Al Davis the
Speaker 2: last six or seven years. They're It's interesting what power
Speaker 2: does to men. I think women tend to age a
Speaker 2: little bit more gracefully, but wealthy guys, you know, it
Speaker 2: could be Sumner Redstone. Is it Summer Redstone or Sumner Redstone.
Speaker 2: I forget a lot of these old guys. They get
Speaker 2: a little crazy and they lack self awareness, and most
Speaker 2: of them are not like Warren Buffett. It's like, hey,
Speaker 2: I could still do this for three or four more years,
Speaker 2: but you know it's time. And I think you see this.
Speaker 2: I mean the NFL, of all these sports owners ship groups,
Speaker 2: it is a good old boys club. And they they
Speaker 2: wouldn't you know, they wouldn't even consider bringing in probably
Speaker 2: a Mark Cuban like the NBA did. They wouldn't even
Speaker 2: consider it. And it's just it's just a place where
Speaker 2: Jerry and Bob Kraft and Stan Kronke, there's a handful
Speaker 2: of owners who are highly influential, and.
Speaker 1: Jerry knows it.
Speaker 2: But the problem being is, you know, once once you
Speaker 2: get close to the first number in your age being eight,
Speaker 2: it's different. I mean, I Vin Scully was broadcasting, you know,
Speaker 2: in his seventies. You can Al michaels is seventy seven.
Speaker 2: There's a big gap. You start getting, you start getting
Speaker 2: seventy nine, eighty eighty one.
Speaker 1: Your faculties aren't the same, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's like, and Jerry's lived hard, Jerry's lived a
Speaker 2: big life, and Al Jerry parties. Jerry parties today and
Speaker 2: Al lived a big life, and so it's not a shot.
Speaker 2: It's just I think about this stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: Is that I loved age gracefully and I probably won't.
Speaker 2: So I just I think it's one of those things
Speaker 2: where it's become the Lakers a little bit. It's it's
Speaker 2: new ownership and it'll never happen. Would not be terrible,
Speaker 2: like the Bus Family got you know, Kobe's agent, Rob
Speaker 2: Polenka is the GM and there's all sorts of friends
Speaker 2: and family cowboys. Just they're not the Bears. They're not
Speaker 2: totally dysfunctional in ownership with like eleven kids.
Speaker 1: But they're not.
Speaker 2: They're closer to the Bears than they are to the
Speaker 2: Rams right now.
Speaker 1: I agree, they just have more money. Yeah right, you know,
Speaker 1: I think you bring up Robert Kraft. Obviously it ended
Speaker 1: really poorly with Bill, but for those twenty years, Robert
Speaker 1: became a star. But Bill got to be the face,
Speaker 1: you know, the face of the team, at the forefront
Speaker 1: of making the decisions, and he bared the responsibility good
Speaker 1: or bad, and he went out right. Robert joined him
Speaker 1: when it was good, but if it was bad, Bill
Speaker 1: took the arrows. Al Davis even in his prime and
Speaker 1: Jerry in his prime could not have gone twenty years
Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick getting all the credit of the good times.
Speaker 1: I mean, they prove that. I mean, I would get
Speaker 1: rid of coaches. And it's probably when they were winning
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. And obviously Jerry, I mean had that early on.
Speaker 1: It was like Jimmy, you're out, you know. And again
Speaker 1: that was when Jerry was sharp as attack. I mean,
Speaker 1: probably one of the more impressive business guys. And this
Speaker 1: is the mid nineties. So your personality does it only
Speaker 1: amplify and get more aggressive the more money you have,
Speaker 1: Like you said, now he's in his eighties. I just
Speaker 1: think it could get really, really weird because if the
Speaker 1: team's not good, he's still calling into that radio show
Speaker 1: every Tuesday morning. He's still in the locker room, which
Speaker 1: doesn't happen anywhere else. I mean, it has dak and
Speaker 1: these guys are so numb to it because it's all
Speaker 1: they've ever seen. If you just put like a took
Speaker 1: some dude from like the Rams, you know, like a
Speaker 1: just take like a Puka Nakua or just any other
Speaker 1: team and just put them on the Cowboys for like
Speaker 1: a week after the game in the locker room and
Speaker 1: the owner is over there, Like usually the press goes
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, they go to the guy that made
Speaker 1: the big play. Jerry walks in that room and he's
Speaker 1: ready to hold court. They all go because his quote's
Speaker 1: going to make the headlines. And unlike those guys that
Speaker 1: might not say anything, you know, Jerry will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's wrap it up with this. You and I
Speaker 2: had an interesting conversation driving home from the live tournament.
Speaker 2: Is that, like I am always pro entrepreneur, Like when
Speaker 2: Dana White took a UFC fight during COVID to an island.
Speaker 2: I've always been pro Dana White. There was a lot
Speaker 2: of critics of USC for a long time until Dany
Speaker 2: got momentum. And there's still critics because his relationship with Trump. Whatever.
Speaker 2: Dana is an entrepreneur and he has pushed back on
Speaker 2: the media. He doesn't give a shit. I will always
Speaker 2: defend commissioners and entrepreneurs who take swings. And that's what
Speaker 2: I said. I mean the PGA, one am I loyal to?
Speaker 1: It was a charity.
Speaker 2: They didn't run Augusta, they didn't run the British Open,
Speaker 2: and didn't run the US Open. So I was always
Speaker 2: loyal to the golfer. But you brought up a really
Speaker 2: interesting point this weekend and I briefly, briefly just said
Speaker 2: hi to Brooks Koepka and watched them t off in
Speaker 2: the first and watched this.
Speaker 1: He said, Heidi, he walked over to you. Come now.
Speaker 2: He's Brooks is a sports fan. He knows what's going on,
Speaker 2: and I'm a huge fan. In fact, I'm bombed out
Speaker 2: that he asked we played that well? And I won't
Speaker 2: share with you what he said because I said, man,
Speaker 2: you're you look in really good shape, and that he
Speaker 2: made a funny joke and I'm not going to repeat it,
Speaker 2: but he's an interesting one because Brooks Kopka, you and
Speaker 2: I talked about this car. He he likes.
Speaker 1: Being on the PGA.
Speaker 2: But if somebody offers you what is one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty five million, it's generational. Like golf's hard. Golf's a grind.
Speaker 2: Golf was a grind for Tiger when he was the
Speaker 2: best player in the world. I mean, he melted down personally.
Speaker 2: It's it's a grind. It's you don't have a you
Speaker 2: don't have a GM or a coach, you can't have
Speaker 2: an off week. I mean, it's like being a lawyer.
Speaker 2: You don't get paid if you're not on the if
Speaker 2: you're not on the course. Tiger did, but through you know,
Speaker 2: Nike and others. But the point being is you would
Speaker 2: mention to me, is that, Okay, now these guys got paid,
Speaker 2: and when those contracts are up for a Pill or
Speaker 2: a Brooks Koepka, well it's very doubtful they're going to
Speaker 2: get another massive payday.
Speaker 1: Brooks.
Speaker 2: I think Phil has so much animosity toward and he's
Speaker 2: gonna play. You know, he got the Masters because he's
Speaker 2: won the Masters, so you get a lifetime exception for that, right,
Speaker 2: So what word is do you think somebody, do you
Speaker 2: think any of these guys will go back? Because you
Speaker 2: only the live you play three rounds, not four. So
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, unless it's a major and
Speaker 2: they have an exemption that they're not, they can't play
Speaker 2: back on the tour, right, So what happens for some
Speaker 2: of these guys if they don't get a second big
Speaker 2: bag of money.
Speaker 1: I love golf and I've been I mean our experience
Speaker 1: was really cool, and meeting Scott O'Neil that had nothing
Speaker 1: to do with this. I mean he was just hired
Speaker 1: to replace Greg Norman six months ago. But what Greg
Speaker 1: and j Monahan felt like a personal fight. It's like
Speaker 1: they you know, Greg Norman had a vandetta. Yep, he
Speaker 1: got the people with the somehow with the most money
Speaker 1: in the world to finance that vandetta and went on
Speaker 1: the attack and the PGA Tour, like a lot of
Speaker 1: country clubs would, they fought back on any ideas and
Speaker 1: change and it created this and it made all these
Speaker 1: guys wealthy PGA Tour players. I mean, Scotty Scheffer just
Speaker 1: finished second. I think he'll get one and a half
Speaker 1: million dollars. I mean these guys are making Back in
Speaker 1: the day when Tiger first hit it big, I don't
Speaker 1: think there were many tournaments that paid a million to win,
Speaker 1: So I mean the money flowing on the PGA Tour
Speaker 1: and obviously on Live is massive. All these guys have
Speaker 1: net Jet towels, right, not Tiger Woods and Scotti Scheffler,
Speaker 1: Like the seventy fifth guy isn't checking into United with
Speaker 1: me flying home to Arizona. But I do think talking
Speaker 1: to Scott O'Neill, you know the Live now is run
Speaker 1: by a guy that has an NBA background. The PGA
Speaker 1: Tour is now run by a guy personally picked by
Speaker 1: Tiger that worked with Roger Goodell. You know what those
Speaker 1: guys care about business and the tour. Do you know
Speaker 1: who's benefited the most of this separation, not Live or
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour in the sense of like their businesses,
Speaker 1: because the PGA Tour is still fighting like that Wells
Speaker 1: Fargo and they've had sponsors back out yep. And it's
Speaker 1: the majors because that's when you get to see Bryce
Speaker 1: in Brooks, DJ Scotty altogether. And these guys know that
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I had heard his name, but
Speaker 1: i'd never met him personally. You know, Scott O'Neil's really
Speaker 1: high level guy. Yeah, and clearly Brian roll App the
Speaker 1: PJ Tour guy. If you're a right hand man for
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell for twenty plus years, I mean you probably
Speaker 1: know what you're doing. And he was giving us great
Speaker 1: stories yesterday of dealing with I don't know, David Stern
Speaker 1: and Josh Harris who just happens on the Sixers and the.
Speaker 2: Red Stone, and James Dolan, like he's dealt with volcanic personalities.
Speaker 1: I think it's a huge strength of his is and
Speaker 1: roll App was the same. They're not golfers, so they're
Speaker 1: not role apps that I play like three or four
Speaker 1: times a year. So that means they're not like country
Speaker 1: club guys. They're not thinking about the game. They think
Speaker 1: about business and it's pretty black and white to get
Speaker 1: figure out of way to make this happen, and talking
Speaker 1: to him yesterday, I don't know when it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: but like they understand that because it's this is a sport.
Speaker 1: Golf's a little stronger in tennis. Usually tennis guys what
Speaker 1: two or three guys that are like stars, right, they
Speaker 1: had the last twenty years, Like you know, Federal Golf
Speaker 1: stall Djokovic Golf typically has a lineup of even if
Speaker 1: it's Tiger and Phil, there are seven eight more guys
Speaker 1: who are pretty famous.
Speaker 2: To Ernie L's yesterday in order, Phil, Dustin, Sergio kept
Speaker 2: going and we didn't even see Bryson. There was like
Speaker 2: six guys in a row, and I'm like, oh, there's Phil,
Speaker 2: there's Dustin, there's Surge and then Hatton, the European guy
Speaker 2: who's a stud. By the way, he doesn't even look
Speaker 2: like a golfer in that heat. He had long sleeved
Speaker 2: shirt on him, like, and he was drenched. So like
Speaker 2: they're they're listen again. Certain players you get exemptions right
Speaker 2: for a certain amount of time. But the bottom line
Speaker 2: is the PGA doesn't run the Masters like they need
Speaker 2: tournaments that aren't majors to be interesting, and right now
Speaker 2: a lot of them aren't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I mean, I think as someone that loves
Speaker 1: the sport, you've got to figure out a way to
Speaker 1: allow John Rahm to play waste management. You have to
Speaker 1: let Bryson d Chambeau, who's a California guy to play
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach if he wants to. When they go play
Speaker 1: the Arnold Palmer in Florida, Brooks and DJ those guys
Speaker 1: live there. Hey, you guys want to play there and
Speaker 1: find a way to do. All these guys are friends.
Speaker 1: I mean, Brooks lives next to Rory. They play all
Speaker 1: the time, you know. I mean Terrell Hadden's on the
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup team with Justin Rose, Roy McElroy, John Rahm.
Speaker 1: All these guys. It's a small, small world. And they
Speaker 1: all live in three or four cities throughout America. Phoenix, Dallas, Jupiter, Florida.
Speaker 1: They all know each other, and at this point in time,
Speaker 1: I think sometimes, like any big fight, emotions were high
Speaker 1: two or three years ago, they've mellowed out. I mean
Speaker 1: I had never been that close to it. I'd never
Speaker 1: gone to a golf event like that with a media,
Speaker 1: no when people being a It's got when I first
Speaker 1: got into radio and I started going to baseball games,
Speaker 1: and you could just walk up to batting practice and
Speaker 1: just like have a conversation with Bruce Bochi two hours
Speaker 1: before the game. I'm like, if you walked up to
Speaker 1: Andy Reid on a game day and try to talk
Speaker 1: to him. I mean he would have shoved you out
Speaker 1: of the you know, the camera. But it was a
Speaker 1: different culture and golf it's like this guy's hitting some balls.
Speaker 1: Brook come over, have a joke. Guy Sergio walks by,
Speaker 1: how you doing. Brennan Steele, who was obviously a big
Speaker 1: fan of you, just came over and talked for a while.
Speaker 1: He plays golf with Joel Klatt in southern California. The
Speaker 1: culture of golf is a little more melt once they
Speaker 1: get on the course, you could tell, like all business
Speaker 1: once they hit. But on the driving range put like
Speaker 1: you can have conversations. So it's just it's different than
Speaker 1: some of these other sports. But financially that there is
Speaker 1: a lot I mean it's that's where it's unique. I
Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of money in terms of the
Speaker 1: people that get involved. I mean look at the typically
Speaker 1: the sponsors. It's like Rolex Mercedes. I mean most of
Speaker 1: these guys, throughout the course of their career sponsored by
Speaker 1: huge brands. I mean Phil Forever was like AMG. It's
Speaker 1: like Phil, what what is KPMG getting out of it? Well,
Speaker 1: they got out of it. They would bring him to
Speaker 1: corporate events and he would play with people they want
Speaker 1: to do business with. You know that they want Apples accounting,
Speaker 1: so they have an event. Hey Phil, will you play
Speaker 1: with Tim Cook in this round? Right right? And that's
Speaker 1: what they paid Phil twenty five million dollars a year
Speaker 1: to do. So that's where golf is. It's almost intersex.
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, we talked about NFL as
Speaker 1: this huge business, and it is, but the players on
Speaker 1: the field aren't like dealing with corporate you know, it's
Speaker 1: golf is. The intersection is strong. It's all kind of
Speaker 1: under one umbrella. The business, the golf, the sponsors. They're
Speaker 1: all kind of interconnected. And that's where I think the
Speaker 1: strength is in the group. And Live has four or
Speaker 1: five guys that golf really needs to be playing with
Speaker 1: the other guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, John Middlekoff, great stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll say it again.
Speaker 2: Michelson's got a little you know, he's got that five
Speaker 2: o'clock shadow.
Speaker 1: He looks slender. I mean, he inspired me. I gotta
Speaker 1: lose some word about me. He looks fantasy. He's got
Speaker 1: to be in his best shape he's ever been in
Speaker 1: his life. I'm fifty five years old. Yeah, all right,
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