WEBVTT - Shedeur’s Solid Debut, Packers Win The NFC North, Start Jaxson Dart, Cowboys Implosion? 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:12.720 All right, welcome in. 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:15.400 Kind of the start pretty much the start of our 0:00:15.440 --> 0:00:19.640 Sunday Football podcast, which go an hour plus as John 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:21.760 was in Chicago this weekend with me at the Live 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.799 Tour event in Chicago, which was really a good time. 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:27.640 I was thinking about this before I came on. We 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:29.000 got a lot of football to talk about for the 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:32.640 next hour. But like hockey, I never know if things 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:35.000 work on TV. Some stuff works on TV, some doesn't. 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:39.040 But in person, the Live Tour events great, so I 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:42.760 strongly recommended. I am for the entrepreneur. I like new 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:44.760 stuff and big swings, so good for the Live Tour 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.159 it was fantastic, a real event, concerts, music everywhere, up 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:52.000 close and personal with the golfers. John was in Chicago 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:55.560 this weekend, so let's just start with that. Your interpretations. 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:57.520 I don't know if John, if you could be a 0:00:57.560 --> 0:00:59.600 little dehydrated after our weekend. 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:06.080 It was a long flight home. We had a good 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.280 thirty six hours. Hell of a run. I mean beautiful. 0:01:09.520 --> 0:01:11.760 I was telling everyone there I had never been to 0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.840 Chicago outside of the airports. Beautiful. The suburbs are awesome. 0:01:15.880 --> 0:01:18.120 I mean, he's green. You were showing me where you live, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.320 and obviously you have a beautiful house. We had a 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.880 good time. We watched some football, watch some golf, hung 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.720 out with Scott O'Neil, who's the CEO. Is you know. 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:28.759 The one thing with live Golf, the negativity. A lot 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:31.800 of it stemmed from Greg Norman, who I would say, 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:35.039 on the popularity chart in his sport is pretty low, 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:38.479 you know, and that includes you know, the players on live. 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:41.959 So I think he is not a golf guy, which 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:44.959 I think helps. The PGA tour brings in an NFL 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:47.160 guy not a golf guy, which helps so that they 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.080 look at it more from a business sense. I actually 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:53.080 left there feeling pretty optimistic, big picture that things will 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.720 get figured out, maybe not like in a month, but 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:58.040 in the next eighteen months, that they will get some 0:01:58.080 --> 0:02:00.920 progress and we can stop complaining, because I know I complained. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:05.280 But yeah, Chicago was awesome. The Tito's was flowing and 0:02:05.320 --> 0:02:08.320 that the food was good and we had some chicken 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:09.000 parm last night. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.359 It was a long We had a long day Saturday. 0:02:11.800 --> 0:02:14.440 We were out and about we thought it was five 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.440 point fifteen at my house. We were exhausted, and then 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.960 in laws showed up and we stayed up till ten 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.280 thirty and the tito started flowing in the bombay gin 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:25.280 and it was a good we're just all washing. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.680 Then NFL family shows up with a full bottle of gin. 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:29.720 I said, geez, you guys are ready to party. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.359 So I will say I want to start talking about 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:36.079 shudor Sanders. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:36.720 We'll start with there. 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.200 So I was just saying today to make it, to 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:42.640 simplify it. These aren't the exact percentages, but I would 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.240 say fifty percent of quarterback is traits, you know, and 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:50.120 occasionally a player like big Ban or Cam have remarkable traits. 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:56.679 So those traits are size, movement, athleticism, toughness, you know, 0:02:56.800 --> 0:02:58.600 all all the obvious stuff you can see on TV. 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.280 The other fifty percent and maybe a smaller percentage is 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:06.760 film study, galvanizing, the locker room, kind of obsessive nature, 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.960 pre snap. That's the stuff we can't see. So if 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.760 you are Camra big Ben or Josh Allen, where your 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:18.000 traits are like otherworldly, top one percent of quarterbacks in 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.920 my lifetime, Dan Marino had that, then you don't have 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:24.920 to maybe have the quite the self awareness, the film study, 0:03:25.120 --> 0:03:27.920 the pre snap excellence. You don't always have to be 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:31.679 a great teammate or workout as hard like big Ben 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.400 didn't in the off season. So Senor sanders to me, 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:42.000 Collagen pro. The traits are fine. He's mobile enough. He's accurate, 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:46.960 I think moving and stationary's accurate. His size is fine. 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.480 He's not top heavy like Will Levis, who feels all 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:52.560 chest and arms, and he's not spindily like a Matt 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.040 Rein or a Teddy Bridgewater. He's six two two eighteen 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:57.440 very sod. He's not a weight room guy, but it's 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:02.520 just a very He's comfortable playing. He runs backwards sometimes 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.000 you know that you got to stop that because he's 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.840 not athletic enough to escape. My question has always been 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:13.960 his traits are okay, so he's got to be great 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.880 film study EQIQ pre snap galvanizing teammates. And then I 0:04:18.880 --> 0:04:22.320 see the speeding tickets legendary, the New York Giant stuff, 0:04:22.320 --> 0:04:24.880 which has been now reported multiple times and I had 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:28.120 it validated again last week. It was a disaster. But 0:04:28.160 --> 0:04:32.080 my takeaway watching him was he's comfortable. It looks a 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.600 little like college. He's an accurate thrower, doesn't have a 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.039 huge arm, moves okay, and when he's got to make 0:04:39.120 --> 0:04:41.200 big throws, in the red zone. He's pretty damn good 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.040 at it. That's my take. 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:47.640 Yours, Well, I would say the pre draft stuff was real, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:50.400 but it's real for a lot of players that end 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.640 up falling in the draft and then they go on 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:54.880 to make plays and become good players and none of 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:59.120 it matters ever. Again, so I think shador I think 0:04:59.120 --> 0:05:00.760 there are a lot of different anger here. First and 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.000 foremost his dad, which is a huge reason. Right. He 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:08.880 is a very famous and polarizing individual, is one of 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:13.440 the most gifted athletes in the history of American professional sports. 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:16.200 And he's one of the best football players. And he 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:19.000 wouldn't tackle. And we all say, yeah, LT's and Reggie 0:05:19.000 --> 0:05:22.000 White probably the two best defensive players. Dion's probably top five. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:24.440 He wouldn't tackle, and he bragged about it. He's like, 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.560 they don't pay me to tackle because he could cover. Well, 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:29.359 he's not that level of a talent. But he is 0:05:30.160 --> 0:05:33.200 very instinctive and a natural football player. And I think 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:36.640 two things we don't talk about enough with quarterbacks. One 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.080 is always toughness. I mean, you gotta be tough. The 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:42.080 best players were always tough. Brady hung his hat on 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:45.280 jumping right back up after he got hit. Ben Johnson's 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.960 been all over Kleb about body language when you get hit. 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.919 Shador's tough, so he brings that to the table. And 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.120 then there's just a natural feel to his game. I mean, 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.800 he's a pretty accurate player and his two you know, 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:57.680 definitely the first touchdown I think is when he was 0:05:57.720 --> 0:06:02.280 rolling left like that's an instinctive, layered throw. But he 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.039 is not alone. He is with a large group of players. 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:07.640 There are a ton of guys that were drafted on 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.000 the third day all over the league that, guess what, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:13.000 are gonna go on to be really good players. Some 0:06:13.080 --> 0:06:17.240 will be Hall of famers Richard Sherman, Jason Kelce in 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:19.920 this class that will be household names. And then there 0:06:19.920 --> 0:06:21.400 are a ton of guys drafted in the first, second, 0:06:21.440 --> 0:06:23.440 and third round who are not going to be any good, 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:25.880 who within a couple two, three, four years will not 0:06:25.960 --> 0:06:28.120 be on their team and will be considered bus and 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.039 not good draft picks. It's the NFL now. Chador is 0:06:31.040 --> 0:06:35.159 the headliner, but like again his own team, his own 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:39.159 team took another quarterback two rounds above him, and the 0:06:39.200 --> 0:06:41.440 reason Shador was there in the fifth and you and 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:43.680 I have talked about that you mentioned the Giants, so 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:46.960 the bad teams that the interactions were weird. He wouldn't 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.839 talk with the good teams. So the good teams that 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.760 all have quarterbacks, obviously they would have been interested if 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.159 they had good interactions. They're like, he won't talk to 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:59.760 we don't know, we have no interaction. Every player beside 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.400 the cop to up two, three, four guys Travis Hunter 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.599 and a Duel Carter might not talk to Andy Reid 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:09.479 and the Bills, right, but most every other player does. Yeah, right, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:13.000 Look at Trayvon Henderson, the good running back for the Patriots. 0:07:13.000 --> 0:07:16.160 They have a sweet run back. The other day, I 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:18.240 guarantee talked to every single team in the league, and 0:07:18.280 --> 0:07:20.800 every team felt good. Obviously, he got draft from the 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:23.040 second he could argued he could have gone twenty. If 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:25.120 he had fallen the forty five, every team would have 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:26.520 been interested in the guy like that, and they talked 0:07:26.520 --> 0:07:29.520 to him. But Shador wasn't talking to everybody. So as 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:32.120 he's falling in the draft, good teams are passing on him. 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.720 Good teams seed backup quarterbacks. But they're like, and this 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.000 is what I heard, we just don't know him. He 0:07:36.000 --> 0:07:38.760 wouldn't talk to a quarterback. But most of these guys, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:41.720 I think a lot of scouts did not think he 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.880 was a first round pick. I do agree, like that 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.560 was a narrative, that's true, but most people thought he 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.560 was a pretty good college football Yeah, like he's better 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:51.440 than most, Like should have gone somewhere second, third, fourth, 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:53.680 You know, it's a pretty A lot of guys can 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.520 go in the second. If they don't, sometimes they go 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.800 in the fourth. It's not that crazy. He clearly had 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.160 a little larger of a drop and it was one 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.000 preseason game and everyone acting like he's John Elway. Let's 0:08:03.040 --> 0:08:05.720 pump the brakes a little bit. But you've given your opportunity. 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:07.679 You take advantage. And I get from the fan base 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:09.840 and you and I were talking about this over the weekend. 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.840 They're not gonna have much of a rope with no 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:14.960 one wants to watch Kenny Pickett take us now. Joe 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:18.559 Flack was forty years old, Dylan Gabriel is already injured. Listen. 0:08:18.800 --> 0:08:20.920 I think it was a great night for Cleveland because 0:08:20.960 --> 0:08:24.520 I my prediction has been Shadur becomes the backup, they 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.200 trade Kenny Pickett for a sixth or a seventh, and 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:31.760 then Dylan Gabriel gets behind Shadur because the fans, I mean, 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.440 if they go zero to four, Shador is gonna get play. 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:36.959 The fans are gonna want it. And Haslam listens to 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.160 sports talk radio. He's very much connected to the media. 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:43.280 He is listening to his fans. I mean, he's the 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:45.400 guy that said he drafted Johnny Manziel because he talked 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:47.800 to a and his words, a homeless guy. So it's 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:51.640 like Haslim is very much connected to his fan base. 0:08:52.080 --> 0:08:58.400 And so I and I think Chadeure and I said 0:08:58.400 --> 0:09:01.760 this from the beginning, Dion that had no favors. He 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.520 really butchered the pre draft stuff. He's not talented enough 0:09:05.960 --> 0:09:08.000 to just say I'm not talking to you. He's not that. 0:09:08.080 --> 0:09:09.880 I mean, Cam Newton's one of the few. You're like, 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.280 Cam's gonna get drafted. Big, tall, fast, Strong may have 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.120 been the most dominant SEC player I've ever seen when 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:19.199 the SEC was clearly the best conference. But I mean 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:22.440 the Big twelve, you know, stunk and Shadour didn't win 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:27.520 a lot of games. But as you said, most of 0:09:27.520 --> 0:09:31.160 that stuff falls by the wayside that there's been a 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:34.040 I mean, listen, if you can play in this league, 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.680 they've forgiven felons like they forgive a lot. So in 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.360 my take is I still think he's a little too 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:45.320 unseerious for me. I think his judgment is not a strength. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.840 But when you watch him play, and this is why 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.880 fans get excited, I thought he was comfortable, looking like 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:54.960 he just feels kind of comfortable just slinging it in 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:58.640 the red zone. He's not frenetic, he didn't have nervous feet. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:02.280 He just kind of plays and he looked like, Okay, 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:03.160 it's fine. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.520 I don't know Stefanski personally, but I know I've been 0:10:08.559 --> 0:10:10.360 around coaches and know a lot of them, and I 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:13.439 know the way they think. Just because he makes plays 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.240 like people would be like, why don't start them week one? Well, 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:17.959 coach would be like, well he doesn't know the playbook 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:21.000 yet or all of it. Right, They're not comfortable enough, 0:10:21.240 --> 0:10:23.400 he's not ready. It's an easy thing for him to say. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.000 Fans never want to hear that. Honestly, a lot of 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.719 times the front office will dumb it down. Give him 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:31.360 ten plays because you said zero to four. I just 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.160 pulled up their schedule. They're playing the Bengals week one 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.280 at home. Let's just say in this hypothetical world they're 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:40.679 down seventeen to nothing at halftime to the Bengals week one, 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.240 they would start chanting his name. And this also gets 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.840 back to my theory of like, I don't believe Jimmy 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.640 has them for a second when he's like, yeah, I 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:50.520 never thought we would draft him. It was just up 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.720 to those two guys. Because these coaches part of the 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.760 reason they probably weren't that interested in the sense once 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.680 they draft Dhillan Gabriel because it does bring this Yeah, 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:03.079 this is we're talking preseason two touchdowns and what he 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:05.440 should start week one, and they go, he's a fifth 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.920 round pick. And they'd also say if we didn't take them, 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.600 who the hell was gonna take them. There's also it 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:10.880 looks like a lot of people were lined up to 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:11.200 take them. 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.640 There's a te Bow thing here, but Shadur can actually 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:18.199 play like like like t bows. Sure, yeah, and Tebow 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:23.040 got overdrafted Shadure, Let's be honest, he was underdrafted in 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:27.640 the fifth round. So so Tebow was overdrafted but couldn't play, 0:11:27.720 --> 0:11:29.880 and Shador was underdrafted and actually can. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:30.520 Play a little bit. 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:34.000 I mean to me, I I think you know that's 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:36.640 the downside. Bill Parcels used to say, don't be a 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:40.240 celebrity quarterback. Everybody's a celebrity. Now what you don't want 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:42.960 Now it's morphed into you don't want a celebrity backup. 0:11:43.280 --> 0:11:47.880 You don't want Kaepernick Tebow right, Johnny manzel Er sur 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:51.160 is a backup, So that will be Cam like Cam 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:54.360 Belichick's like, we love you. But they just chose Mac Jones. 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.360 So it used to be you don't want a celebrity quarterback. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.920 It's over nil. It's Caleb's a celebrit I'm sorry. The 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:04.280 conference is the TV ratings are huge, so that will 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:06.720 be his issue. But I think if you're a Browns fan, 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.440 whether you're gonna keep him or move him, I thought 0:12:09.440 --> 0:12:11.560 it was a great night, you should be excited. It's 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.520 really fun. And I think he moved himself into number two. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:20.479 I think Stefanski sees the value. They want to accumulate 0:12:20.520 --> 0:12:23.800 picks for next year's draft. You can get something. I 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:24.800 think for Kenny. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:28.880 Pickett, well, to me, I've never been a Cannie Pickt guy. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:31.280 I've always just as a player in general. Before he's 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.400 on the Browns, I just assume Flacco was gonna be 0:12:33.400 --> 0:12:34.959 the week one starter because he did a couple of 0:12:35.040 --> 0:12:37.719 years ago and now he head coach likes him. There 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:41.440 are some people saying, like, trade him, right, get trade 0:12:41.480 --> 0:12:43.800 them to the Rams. You know, if Stafford was or whoever, 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.080 there is no way after that performance Jimmy Haslam is 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:49.640 allowing a trade even if he ends up not being good, 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:52.439 they're not probably not gonna be very good, and he's 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:54.440 gonna get a ton of starts, and they're gonna get 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:56.520 a front row seat, and who knows, maybe they get 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.120 lightning in a bottle. He's actually pretty solid and they 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.400 don't you have to use, you know, their picks on 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.240 a quarterback. But there is no way. It is. It's 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:06.640 a wasted conversation to be like they should trade him 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:10.240 somewhere else. There is no way Jimmy Haslam is because 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:11.760 he goes, well, we're not going to be that good. 0:13:11.800 --> 0:13:14.839 At least if we got Shador Samuels, Sanders and Miles 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.760 Garrett maybe trying to be defensive Player of the Year. 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.040 Even if we win five six games, at least we're 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.120 one of the main stories in the league. It's it's 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:23.480 got a little Jerry Jones quality to it, doesn't it. It 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.880 does okay, So Dolphins Bears. I watched almost the entire 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.120 game today, so this is what I thought was interesting. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.719 So I've said this now for this has been kind 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:36.400 of one of my off season rams. What Mike McDaniel 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.960 is smart. I don't doubt it. The media loves him. 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:42.560 He almost looks like a sports writer. He almost talks 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:47.199 like when he's sort of snarky, not the coolest guy 0:13:47.200 --> 0:13:47.760 in the room. 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:49.959 But my question was always can he create a culture? 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:52.480 Same with Lincoln Riley. By the way, I know they're smart. 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:54.959 I know they're good play designers and play callers, but 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:59.240 a big part of football Dan Campbell, Nick Sirianni, Pete Carroll, 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.280 hell Andy Reid is Shanahan creating toughness and culture. So 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:07.959 the quotes from Joe Shadd, who covers them, used to 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.640 be at ESPN. Good guy Joe Shadd said today, Mike 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:14.920 McDaniel played starters today and the reason was he is 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:20.880 emphasizing listen to this culture, physicality and accountability. This so 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.320 Mike McDaniel's hearing it, and this has been my knock 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:26.760 on the Dolphins. Like Caleb didn't play, We can talk 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.160 about that in a second. Tua did and I think 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:34.200 Mike McDaniel is seeing what people like me and you 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:38.160 have said for a year. What are you You can't 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:42.200 build football programs on speed on the perimeter. In the 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:46.600 Chiefs build theirs on Creed Humphrey, Joe Tooney at the time, Mahomes, 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.760 Andy Reid and Travis Kelsey. You built in out. You 0:14:49.800 --> 0:14:52.960 can find speed, it's hard to find great centers and 0:14:53.080 --> 0:14:56.600 quarterbacks and great interior alignment and left tackles. And so 0:14:56.680 --> 0:15:01.400 I think Mike McDaniel's, to his credit, is knowledging. You know, 0:15:01.480 --> 0:15:05.000 the culture here feels broken. We were the fastest team 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.040 in the league, but it didn't get us anything. And 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:11.440 I appreciate him acknowledging it. But playing starters is a message. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:12.080 It seems to me. 0:15:13.480 --> 0:15:15.960 Well, I've always been a believer. I mean there's some 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:18.920 sayings in football that you could walk into every building 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:21.360 and you know, looks like Tarzan plays like Jane in 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:24.600 one scouting term. And I think this works to this too, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:27.640 is you know, a leperd doesn't change its spots. I 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.800 think when a coach, you know, Pete Carroll, talks about this, 0:15:30.840 --> 0:15:33.120 he realized he tried to change and it blew up 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:34.440 in his face, and he had to say true to 0:15:34.440 --> 0:15:36.280 who he was. Remember when he like studied with John 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.600 Wooden and he got the USC job. He's like, I'm 0:15:38.640 --> 0:15:42.080 a fun, happy guy. I'm not Belichick. Belichick is a 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.920 grumpy guy. They're very authentic to themselves. But toughness, they 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:47.800 don't have to fake that. It's part of the way 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:50.160 they practice. It's part of the way they think about football. 0:15:50.480 --> 0:15:53.880 You go around most of the top coaches, Sean McDermott, 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.120 Dan Campbell, they're just tough guys. They don't ever have 0:15:56.200 --> 0:15:59.040 to fake. Like I don't think you can just manipulate, 0:15:59.120 --> 0:16:02.280 snap your fingers and go. Because I somehow I bought 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:04.160 why I'm on the plane, I realized the Bear game 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:06.560 about to kick off, I get Wi Fi on my phone, 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:08.400 and then I realized I actually wanted on my iPad, 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:12.160 So somehow I ended up spending fifty dollars on internet. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:17.280 I'm watching, but I'm watching the game, and the broadcaster 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:19.600 says that, you know, one thing McDaniel's doing has been 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:22.640 making them run gassers after practice, really trying to That's 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:25.360 like something the brand new college coach does. Like some 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.400 of these guys were on your team last year that 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:29.480 they see you, Mike, like, you're not a tough guy. 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:32.080 That's okay, but you got to do what you do 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.760 at an elite level two years ago. The one thing 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.880 they mentioned today on the broadcast that I didn't realize 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.880 how bad their offense was last year, and part of 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.080 that was too it got injured. Two years ago they 0:16:42.120 --> 0:16:44.240 were really good. I mean, they've had some really good 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:49.480 offenses under him. But like accountability and toughness, those come 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:51.880 from your head coach and the players you select. But 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:54.280 you can't just like snap your finger and do that. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.600 Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reid and McVeigh, their teams are tough. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.040 I mean Andy is an old old squaffens whyman, the 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.720 other two guys are younger, whatever, But because they practice 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.920 tough and they've done that since both those two guys 0:17:06.920 --> 0:17:10.640 showed up in twenty seventeen. Right, Kevin O'Connell, I'll give 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.800 him credit. I don't know if I view him as 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.160 a tough guy right, kind of more of a bougie quarterback. 0:17:16.600 --> 0:17:19.159 But what does he do hires Brian Flores, Yeah, like, 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:22.000 we're gonna be fucking tough. So it's like the toughness 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.359 goes on Flores, who is a tough guy. There's no 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:29.080 faking it. He doesn't. The accountability comes from the tone 0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:33.560 that is set on defense. Jim Harbaugh and John they 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:37.639 are tough guys. They also always hire tough defensive coordinators. 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.800 So you just can't Mike. I just think that, like, Mike, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.440 you're not a tough guy. And it's been too long 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:46.320 now in your program. If it had been like year one, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:48.240 you got some players out of there, It's like, okay, 0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:53.720 what's year He's on your four. I don't think that's possible. Now. 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.159 I give him credit, like, Okay, we're gonna start and 0:17:56.200 --> 0:17:58.320 play our starters. On the flip side, I don't know 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.000 if you saw some of the quotes of Ben Johnson, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.720 like we're gonna get our work pregame and we're gonna 0:18:02.720 --> 0:18:06.639 get our work tomorrow. I think nationally televised game. This 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.119 wasn't like seven other preseason games going on. There was 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.520 only one. He wanted no part. It could have gone well. 0:18:12.680 --> 0:18:15.879 But also if it goes bad, then that Trump's Caleb 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:18.840 or Shador is the number one story in the NFL. Tomorrow. 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.119 You're leading your show with it. We can't even talk 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.200 about Caleb because no one's on play. Meanwhile, Tua, who 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:27.040 let's face it, if Caleb is as good as Tua 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:29.600 in terms of efficiency and solid, the Bears would be 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.360 pretty damn happy this season, right, and two is out 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.600 there playing and he's making a ton of money and 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:36.560 Caleb's on the sideline, which I don't I mean, Caleb 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:39.719 doesn't control that, But that was I think Ben Johnson, 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.640 which I give him credit. He's been coaching them hard, 0:18:41.640 --> 0:18:44.920 He's he has been running an accountability toughness program from 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.439 the jump, but I think he realized, like, look at 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:53.240 the schedule, everyone's watching our game. If word have gone out, 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.000 Caleb's about to start even more people are tuning into 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.800 that thing, and he didn't even want to risk it, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:00.840 which I understand, but I also think it shows you 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:03.640 that still a great unknown what we're getting. Week one, I. 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.359 Think they practiced, didn't have an inner squad practice to 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.160 Bears and the Dolphins. I thought I read they did, 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:13.800 and it was really physical and there were a couple 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.360 of moments where the Bears the Dolphins felt the Bears 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.840 had delivered, you know, some late hits or a little 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.399 over physicality. And so there's another reason Ben Jonson's like, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:25.880 you know, Andy Reid. 0:19:25.880 --> 0:19:27.840 Because two, I think Tua got chubbed to the ground 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.200 or something, right, Yeah, and so you know you've told 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:31.399 me this is is. 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.760 Andy Reid will not do those intersquad practices. He doesn't 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:37.120 want anybody seeing any of his stuff. And Shanahan never 0:19:37.160 --> 0:19:39.520 done one, never done one. Andy's like, you're not going 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:41.920 to get a look at anything we're doing, or our 0:19:41.960 --> 0:19:44.320 players or our draft picks. You don't get a look 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.760 at any of it. And then Shanahan will only do 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.840 one practice. And I think have you talked about that 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:50.480 theory before? 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:54.000 Why? Well, Kyle, I guess said this the other day 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:55.159 and I was like, actually, it kind of makes a 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:57.840 lot of sense. He thinks the second day of these 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:59.719