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Speaker 1: All right, welcome in.

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Speaker 2: Kind of the start pretty much the start of our

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Speaker 2: Sunday Football podcast, which go an hour plus as John

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Speaker 2: was in Chicago this weekend with me at the Live

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Speaker 2: Tour event in Chicago, which was really a good time.

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Speaker 2: I was thinking about this before I came on. We

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Speaker 2: got a lot of football to talk about for the

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Speaker 2: next hour. But like hockey, I never know if things

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Speaker 2: work on TV. Some stuff works on TV, some doesn't.

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Speaker 2: But in person, the Live Tour events great, so I

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Speaker 2: strongly recommended. I am for the entrepreneur. I like new

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Speaker 2: stuff and big swings, so good for the Live Tour

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Speaker 2: it was fantastic, a real event, concerts, music everywhere, up

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Speaker 2: close and personal with the golfers. John was in Chicago

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Speaker 2: this weekend, so let's just start with that. Your interpretations.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if John, if you could be a

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Speaker 2: little dehydrated after our weekend.

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Speaker 1: It was a long flight home. We had a good

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Speaker 1: thirty six hours. Hell of a run. I mean beautiful.

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Speaker 1: I was telling everyone there I had never been to

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Speaker 1: Chicago outside of the airports. Beautiful. The suburbs are awesome.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's green. You were showing me where you live,

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Speaker 1: and obviously you have a beautiful house. We had a

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Speaker 1: good time. We watched some football, watch some golf, hung

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Speaker 1: out with Scott O'Neil, who's the CEO. Is you know.

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Speaker 1: The one thing with live Golf, the negativity. A lot

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Speaker 1: of it stemmed from Greg Norman, who I would say,

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Speaker 1: So I think he is not a golf guy, which

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Speaker 1: I think helps. The PGA tour brings in an NFL

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Speaker 1: guy not a golf guy, which helps so that they

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Speaker 1: look at it more from a business sense. I actually

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Speaker 1: left there feeling pretty optimistic, big picture that things will

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Speaker 1: in the next eighteen months, that they will get some

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Speaker 1: progress and we can stop complaining, because I know I complained.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, Chicago was awesome. The Tito's was flowing and

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Speaker 1: that the food was good and we had some chicken

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Speaker 1: parm last night.

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Speaker 2: It was a long We had a long day Saturday.

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Speaker 2: We were out and about we thought it was five

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Speaker 2: thirty and the tito started flowing in the bombay gin

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Speaker 2: and it was a good we're just all washing.

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Speaker 1: Then NFL family shows up with a full bottle of gin.

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Speaker 1: I said, geez, you guys are ready to party.

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Speaker 2: So I will say I want to start talking about

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Speaker 2: shudor Sanders.

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Speaker 1: We'll start with there.

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Speaker 2: So I was just saying today to make it, to

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Speaker 2: simplify it. These aren't the exact percentages, but I would

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Speaker 2: say fifty percent of quarterback is traits, you know, and

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Speaker 2: occasionally a player like big Ban or Cam have remarkable traits.

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Speaker 2: So those traits are size, movement, athleticism, toughness, you know,

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Speaker 2: all all the obvious stuff you can see on TV.

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Speaker 2: The other fifty percent and maybe a smaller percentage is

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Speaker 2: film study, galvanizing, the locker room, kind of obsessive nature,

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Speaker 2: pre snap. That's the stuff we can't see. So if

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Speaker 2: you are Camra big Ben or Josh Allen, where your

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Speaker 2: traits are like otherworldly, top one percent of quarterbacks in

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Speaker 2: my lifetime, Dan Marino had that, then you don't have

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Speaker 2: to maybe have the quite the self awareness, the film study,

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Speaker 2: the pre snap excellence. You don't always have to be

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Speaker 2: Collagen pro. The traits are fine. He's mobile enough. He's accurate,

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Speaker 2: He's not top heavy like Will Levis, who feels all

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Speaker 2: very sod. He's not a weight room guy, but it's

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Speaker 2: just a very He's comfortable playing. He runs backwards sometimes

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Speaker 2: not athletic enough to escape. My question has always been

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Speaker 2: my takeaway watching him was he's comfortable. It looks a

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Speaker 2: at it. That's my take.

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Speaker 1: Yours, Well, I would say the pre draft stuff was real,

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Speaker 1: to make plays and become good players and none of

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Speaker 1: it matters ever. Again, so I think shador I think

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Speaker 1: there are a lot of different anger here. First and

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Speaker 1: foremost his dad, which is a huge reason. Right. He

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Speaker 1: is a very famous and polarizing individual, is one of

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Speaker 1: And he's one of the best football players. And he

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Speaker 1: he's not that level of a talent. But he is

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Speaker 1: very instinctive and a natural football player. And I think

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Speaker 1: two things we don't talk about enough with quarterbacks. One

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Speaker 1: is always toughness. I mean, you gotta be tough. The

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Speaker 1: been all over Kleb about body language when you get hit.

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Speaker 1: is not alone. He is with a large group of players.

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Speaker 1: There are a ton of guys that were drafted on

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Speaker 1: not good draft picks. It's the NFL now. Chador is

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Speaker 1: the headliner, but like again his own team, his own

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Speaker 1: Good teams seed backup quarterbacks. But they're like, and this

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Speaker 2: I think it was a great night for Cleveland because

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Speaker 2: I my prediction has been Shadur becomes the backup, they

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Speaker 2: The fans are gonna want it. And Haslam listens to

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Speaker 2: like Haslim is very much connected to his fan base.

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Speaker 2: And so I and I think Chadeure and I said

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Speaker 2: been the most dominant SEC player I've ever seen when

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Speaker 2: the SEC was clearly the best conference. But I mean

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you can play in this league,

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Speaker 2: my take is I still think he's a little too

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Speaker 2: But when you watch him play, and this is why

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Speaker 2: he just feels kind of comfortable just slinging it in

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Speaker 2: He just kind of plays and he looked like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know Stefanski personally, but I know I've been

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Speaker 1: Fans never want to hear that. Honestly, a lot of

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Speaker 1: ten plays because you said zero to four. I just

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Speaker 1: pulled up their schedule. They're playing the Bengals week one

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Speaker 2: fans meet in the sandwich. You can't just do fluff.

426
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: Miami's been fluff. Hey we're fast, Hey we got multiple sets.

427
00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:09,639
Speaker 2: There's no meat in the sandwich. Wilkins has gone on

428
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,480
Speaker 2: the d line, who I thought was really good offensive

429
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,879
Speaker 2: line gets pushed around last several years. But hey we're fast.

430
00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 2: So I do think it's interesting that he is acknowledging

431
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:25,919
Speaker 2: Joe Shadd's article Stronger culture, more accountability. At some point

432
00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 2: the Tyreek Hill thing. The really smart organizations and businesses

433
00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: in my life can see trouble before it happens. And

434
00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 2: the Chiefs moved off Tyreek Hill just about the time

435
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:42,760
Speaker 2: he was the most talked about player in the league,

436
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 2: and they got comfortable saying, you know what this could go.

437
00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,439
Speaker 2: I mean because Tyreek his personality, he's been in trouble

438
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 2: multiple times. And not that Kansas City doesn't have Rashid

439
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 2: Rice's issue. I mean, they've got their own issues. But

440
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 2: I think I look at that trade and I remember

441
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,679
Speaker 2: the reaction when the Dolphins got Tyreek Hill, and I

442
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,920
Speaker 2: remember being on the air on FS one and I said,

443
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 2: all those draft picks to Brett Veach, they're going to

444
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 2: be just fine, and they have it.

445
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Speaker 1: And they drafted two of the two of the better

446
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Speaker 1: players on their team in Trent McDuffie and Karloftis Yeah right.

447
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 1: I mean, those two guys have changed the team. I

448
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Speaker 1: also think we were when we got home, yes stay

449
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450
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451
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 1: highest paid wide receiver Justin Jefferson was miked up with

452
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Speaker 1: their crew and just having a good time, and you're like,

453
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Speaker 1: this guy feels like he's pretty easy to be around. Yes,

454
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Speaker 1: And one theme that coming out of Dolphins camp is

455
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456
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457
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458
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Speaker 1: before we jumped on that you know, teams are sniffing

459
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460
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461
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462
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Speaker 1: But I bet there are some good, well run teams

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464
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465
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466
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467
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468
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Speaker 2: So you and I had a long discussion watching the

496
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 2: Jets and the Packers last night over at Tito's, and

497
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 2: we we probably spent an hour just you and I

498
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 2: before my crazy in laws came over. And one of

499
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Speaker 2: the things you talked me into is, I've said all

500
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,840
Speaker 2: off season I don't know what the heck to do

501
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: with the Packers. They won double digit games last year,

502
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,640
Speaker 2: and Jordan Love was hurt early and didn't play great late. Okay,

503
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 2: but I was thinking about this when I woke up

504
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 2: and you went to the airport, and I was.

505
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: Thinking about this.

506
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm like Detroit's coordinators, their replacements really worry me. Chicago's

507
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,400
Speaker 2: offense in Kleb really worries me. JJ McCarthy. I don't

508
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 2: think there's any question that Viking staff is just trying

509
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 2: to build his confidence up. The whole camp is about

510
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: his confidence. I think I'm gonna take that. Even though

511
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 2: the Packers got boat raced by the Jets, I think

512
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna end up before we get to JJ McCarthy.

513
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: I think I'm gonna take the Packers. They've had a

514
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 2: quiet offseason, and I think that stuff matters. I mean,

515
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 2: you've got an Alliance team that will not be as

516
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: good because they lost two of the best coordinators, whether

517
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: Aaron Glenn and Ben Johnson hit his coaches, they were

518
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: great coordinators. You know, Aaron Glenn had a top ten defense.

519
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 2: They had like four starters out. I mean interesting, you know,

520
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 2: in an offensive division, and I just I think you've

521
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: talked me into it is And McIntyre has been on

522
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:06,239
Speaker 2: this too. Good coach Jordan loves healthy. Green Bay is

523
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 2: probably gonna win that division.

524
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Speaker 1: Well, you wrote the Lions off after the Hall of

525
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: Fame game. I'm out. I wouldn't go that far though.

526
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: The theme of losing those two guys, I mean the

527
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame game, I get. I mean they did

528
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: look bad, but I do think losing those two guys

529
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Speaker 1: what Aaron Glenn brought to the table in terms of emotion,

530
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: let alone the scheme. I mean, he was kind of

531
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: the heartbeat of that team and then bend the brains.

532
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:36,879
Speaker 1: It's just how do you replace that, right? I mean

533
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,120
Speaker 1: it's like any industry, any business, losing two employees at

534
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: that high level, even if you hit on one of

535
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: the two, there's gonna be a you know, probably a

536
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: dramatic drop off on one of them. And if it's

537
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: the offense, that would be a big blow to Detroit

538
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: because offensively, that's really where they separated. You know. I

539
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: do think Minnesota has a better roster removed so obviously

540
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,760
Speaker 1: than the Packers. And you could argue, beside the Eagles

541
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: in the NFC, no one's even on their level. You

542
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 1: could argue, minus the quarterbacks, they're right there with the Eagles.

543
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: I mean, they got a pretty special roster. But I

544
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: just think there's something about the Packers. I mean, we're

545
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: talking about it. I didn't even quite realize. You know,

546
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:15,159
Speaker 1: you live by the lake, and then you kind of

547
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: pull the map and you see that Green Bays not

548
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 1: really that far, and then I realized, I get why

549
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: the Bears are so jealous of the Packers. You got

550
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: the big one of the great cities in the world,

551
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 1: and you got this little town up the road, and

552
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: they've been kicking the Bears ass for thirty years, and

553
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 1: now they're on their third quarterback it's one thing, it's like, okay,

554
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: far if I get it, we'll tip our hat to you.

555
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: Then you get Rogers like we're really gonna have to

556
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: take this for fifteen years. And now you get Jordan

557
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: Love who he had a couple throws yesterday. His talent

558
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: is as you get Jacob's there. Their offensive line is

559
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 1: always good, they're highing this young quarterback. Their defense is

560
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: now good. They're just that program that they're never going

561
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: to be sexy, like you know, like they're Ohio State

562
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: football or you know what Andy Reid was early with

563
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Mahomes and that we don't talk about them like that post.

564
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: But last year they won eleven games, and they won

565
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: one in the Division one one and their quarterback got

566
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: hurt week one, which had to throw them off a

567
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: little bit, even though they won the next couple weeks

568
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: with Malik Willis, which to me shows their coach is

569
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: pretty good. You know, their coach is pretty He's unlike

570
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, like he's won some playoff games. So I

571
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 1: won the gambling values there. I mean, you're getting like

572
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 1: two and a half to one to win the division.

573
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: Google how many times they've won the Division The last

574
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 1: three years. I mean, they just do it a lot.

575
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 1: I do think there's some internal pressure now that they

576
00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: got that Murphy guy. The president who kind of works

577
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: as the owner is now Carmen Policy's son, Ed's in charge.

578
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: So I mean this is a very like there's some

579
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: of the line for Goodikins and Lafleur in a weird

580
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: way because they have a new boss. I just think

581
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: they're flying under the radar. I mean, all we do

582
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: is talk about the Bears and the Vikings because their

583
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: new quarterbacks. No one talks about.

584
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 2: The Packers, you know, and there's a lot of different

585
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: ways to win. In Philadelphia. We don't think they have

586
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: the best head coach, but they have the best roster.

587
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 2: In Long Ange, Angelus, we don't think they have the

588
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: best roster, but we love the quarterback and the coach.

589
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 2: You know, Green Bay, it's continuity. The division's got all

590
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: sorts of turmoil, losing coordinators in Chicago, can't get the quarterback, right,

591
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 2: is JJ McCarthy right? It just continuity is it's I

592
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: don't even know the comp IBM like Microsoft, Microsoft has

593
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: been great.

594
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: It missed on the phone.

595
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 2: There have been moments, but you look up and you're like, yeah, Ai,

596
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 2: Microsoft's good. Green Bay has been really ahead of the

597
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 2: curve on quarterbacks. They draft them early. They never draft

598
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: offensive linemen in the first round. I couldn't tell you

599
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: the best offensive line. And you and I talked about this.

600
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: These stwords.

601
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: A book written years ago called maybe thirty years ago,

602
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: called The Millionaire next Door, and it was about how

603
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 2: many people live next door to you. They pay off

604
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: their home, they have a four to oh one K.

605
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: They live under their means, and they're millionaires and they

606
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 2: don't have huge salaries. And that really is the Packers.

607
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 2: They're missing a barstool leg right. They don't have that

608
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: free agent leg Whereas a Philadelphia a Miami, at certain

609
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: places there are people want to go play in La Devonte.

610
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: Adams didn't take, didn't have to arm wrestle them to

611
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 2: get them to Sean McVay and Stafford in the Rams right,

612
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,240
Speaker 2: like green Bay didn't have that. So they have to

613
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 2: draft and develop, like the school teachers have to be

614
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: smart with their money to become millionaires in Green Bay

615
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 2: when you're forced. I don't think it's a coincidence that

616
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: both New York teams are a bit of a mess.

617
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: Why because they have great game day revenue, they've got

618
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: great local radio, TV advertising revenue, and they take big

619
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 2: swings and they don't do their homework. Green Bay does

620
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: their homework. And I just I look at this organization

621
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: and their continuity, their intelligence, their development. They almost develop

622
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: like a really good college program. They really developed.

623
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Speaker 1: And in my comp you know a lot of times

624
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: in college football, the underling goes and as a coach

625
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: somewhere else, right, like Sark's not at Alabama, right, Lane

626
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's not at Alabama. Typically these guys go off.

627
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, when they tried to replace Pete Carroll

628
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 1: didn't go well. But in basketball, think about when Roy

629
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: Williams replaced Steen Smith finally because he just knew what

630
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: worked in that program. Or John Schier now with coach

631
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: k Like, there is a blueprint in that program that

632
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: they know works. Gutikins was taught from Ted Thompson, who

633
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: was taught from run Wolf. Like, there is a consistent

634
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: theme in that organization that has never changed, which is

635
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 1: pretty rare when you have turnover like the Eagles. How

636
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: he's been there for decades, right, so it's him. But

637
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: when you look at like the Ravens. They went from

638
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Speaker 1: Ozzie to DaCosta, so they have thought the you know,

639
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: a very similar path. You'd even go from Kevin Colbert

640
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: to Omar Kahan now with the Steelers, like he's he

641
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: was taught under that. It's pretty rare because a lot

642
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: of times you fire someone, you bring in the best

643
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: teams executive, right, That is not what is happening with

644
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: the Backers for decades. So there is connections. Like Gutikins

645
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: can tell story that Ron Wolf told Ted Thompson about

646
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: what they did in nineteen ninety four with Reggie White

647
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 1: and Brett Farver trading for this guy or cutting this guy,

648
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: and that is pretty rare. Like John Lynch can't tell

649
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: stories of stuff that happened with Bill Walsh, like the

650
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: personnel moves in nineteen eighty nine were less snead with

651
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: Mike Martz and Dick for Meal back in nineteen ninety nine.

652
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 1: It's just that's pretty rare. And I think that's the

653
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: only reason that this little town a couple hours above

654
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: you sitting right now dominates these big cities, because you

655
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: and I are sitting there going god, Minnesota is a

656
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: well run franchise. It's just I know, they've never won

657
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: the super Bowl in the modern era. They just they've

658
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: gotten closed. They've had awesome team, they've been good, most

659
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: of them. The Kansas the kid.

660
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 2: And if Mahomes goes to the Chiefs, if Mahomes goes

661
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: to the Vikings, not the Chiefs, because Kansas City has

662
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 2: always had good quarterbacks. They won Hanks stran Len Dawson,

663
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: But Kansas City always had good coaches, good quarterbacks. They

664
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 2: drafted well, a lot of great players. I mean, ray

665
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: Lewis always told me he hated playing the Chiefs. With

666
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: Willie Rove, Tony Gonzali raised like I hated playing the Chiefs.

667
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: Their O line was unbelievable.

668
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 2: If Mahomes goes to the Vikings not the Chiefs, you'd

669
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, well, they were always well run. They

670
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: just have never landed. They thought it was Dante Culpepper.

671
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,720
Speaker 2: They thought it was Kirk Cousins, you know, Sam Fran

672
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: Tarkin and was good back in the seventies, running around

673
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: one of the first like five eleven six foot quarterbacks

674
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 2: out of Georgia. But they just have never like consistently

675
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 2: had you know, they got far for a couple of

676
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 2: years and they were a player two away from the

677
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: Super Bowl. So I tend to just I tend to

678
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: look at Minnesota respectfully, Like the Twins can't compete in

679
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball. The t Wolves weren't always well run.

680
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: The Vikings have been well run since Bud Grant always.

681
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's a knock right on the Bears.

682
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: Ownership's cheap, that's a fact. The Packers, I mean, they

683
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 1: haven't had one, but they've had a unique infrastructure. And

684
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: the Lions, up until Dan and Brad Holmes got there,

685
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: were the running joke of the NFL. And the Vikings

686
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: just even look back like Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins ever

687
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: gone to the Hall of Fame. He's going to the

688
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame of Bank Accounts for doing what he

689
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: pulled off. But they signed Kirk Cousins and they were

690
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: just good. And they beat Drew Brees in a playoff

691
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: game a couple of years ago. They hosted a playoff

692
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: game which they lost the Giants, but they had a

693
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: really good record. Like they're just well run. And I think,

694
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, we were watching some of the highlights. You know,

695
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: it's hard in these preseason games, like Chador played a lot, right,

696
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: he gets twenty three attempts.

697
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: Most of these guys at seven get a series.

698
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Speaker 1: And then they're out sis like they went three to seven.

699
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: It's hard. JJ definitely has some physical attributes. And you know,

700
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Speaker 1: I've been I guess on the negative side, and I

701
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 1: started thinking, listen, maybe he doesn't even have to be

702
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: that great. Their team's so good if he is just

703
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 1: the twentieth best quarterback, has some games where he's the tenth,

704
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: has a couple of clunkers, but.

705
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: They could win a couple of games where his comp

706
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 2: to me is brought Purdy is that he inherits Kyle Shanahan,

707
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: He gets Christian McCaffrey, a Trent Williams, George Kittling, all

708
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,799
Speaker 2: these receivers. If he and so do you think brock

709
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 2: Purdy does that if he goes to tone deaf offensive Pittsburgh. No,

710
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 2: he doesn't do that, but he as he's learning the

711
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 2: game behind Garoppolo. Garoppolo gets hurt. You're like, oh, Brock's

712
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 2: got you know, three years, four years of college starts.

713
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,240
Speaker 2: He was ready to play. JJ's issue is brock Purdy

714
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: played at Iowa State. He trailed a lot. He got

715
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: hit a lot. He didn't play with great players. JJ

716
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: McCarthy is like a trust fund kid, like he never

717
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: got punished, he never got pushed, he never trailed. Life

718
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: was never hard. So but I believe like Brock when

719
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: he inherits the job after Garoppolo's injury, just don't run

720
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 2: the Mercedes into the tree in the driveway. The truth is,

721
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 2: Minnesota's roster is like Denver. It's way better than people

722
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: we pay attention to Philadelphia or Baltimore. I'm telling you

723
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: right now. Minnesota left tackle like running backs, receiving crew,

724
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: edge rushers like Minnesota stacked.

725
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Speaker 1: You could make the argument that the best two rosters

726
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: in the NFL are the Eagles in the Minnesota Vikings,

727
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: and then the AFC ones the top guy, you know,

728
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: like the Ravens or the Chiefs. I think most people

729
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 1: consider the Ravens top to bottom. Typically you're in, you're

730
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,760
Speaker 1: out the best roster. That's why they kind of disappointed

731
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Speaker 1: sometimes when they let down. Even last year when the

732
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: Bills beat him, You're like, I don't think the Bills

733
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,840
Speaker 1: are as good as a race. They just win that

734
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: game or not. But that's the thing with the Minnesota

735
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: They have had. I'd even go back to a decade

736
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,320
Speaker 1: ago with Mike Zimmer. I mean they had excellent players

737
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: with Spielman was the GM. They always have impact Pro

738
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 1: Bowl guys and it just comes down Cousins wasn't quite

739
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: good enough right now. The difference is they got Cousins

740
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: a little older. He already had some scar tissue. He

741
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: had some true limitations. It had to be in the pocket.

742
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: He couldn't add lip. One of the I mean his

743
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: best throw of the day, I don't even win did

744
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 1: he play yesterday morning or yesterday afternoon? Was that rolling

745
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: to his left. He has physical attributes that I think

746
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 1: part of the reason they got off Cousins. I mean,

747
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: obviously you had the achilles, but even when he was healthy,

748
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: they were true limitations. Like with GoF they can't move,

749
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: and let's a coach wants pretty bails Kyle out sometimes

750
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: just because he's got some athleticism right, and that's gonna

751
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: be an element that can help him out, especially early on.

752
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 1: You can get him layups, moving around. They got the

753
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: best wide receiver in the league. I think Addison got suspended.

754
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: He was thwing him a couple of times. Just fair.

755
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: I mean he is I mean when he's on him,

756
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,279
Speaker 1: it's that's pretty damn good those two guys. Yeah, so

757
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: and then they got it. They have added offensive lineman.

758
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 1: They can really run the ball. To me, that's what

759
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Kevin O'Connell needs to kind of lean on Early.

760
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: That's the easiest way to take a little pressure off

761
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: the kid. Early run the ball a little bit and

762
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: just helped him out. But he does like the pass.

763
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: You know, he got confident in san donoald Early. He's like,

764
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: let it rip. Because I've said it forever. His comp

765
00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: is not Kyle Shanahan as Sean mcvah Andy Reid. He

766
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: wants to bomb at fifty times a game. You know,

767
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 1: Kyle would rather win. Kyle would have no problem going

768
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: thirteen and five and leading the league in rushing and

769
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: average his quarterback averaging nineteen attempts a game. That is

770
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: not how McVeigh. Definitely, Andy Reid and I would put

771
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell in that bucket, which I don't blame it.

772
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: We all got our different philosophies, but you got to

773
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: be careful with a young quarterback, you know, calling passes

774
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: NonStop early in games on first down, cause if it

775
00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: goes wrong, it can it. He got a little bit

776
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 1: of a pass. I thought last year. I'm not saying

777
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: Sam Darnoble was perfect, and obviously he played bad, especially

778
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: in the Detroit game, but in the playoff game, he

779
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 1: could have settled down the game a little bit and

780
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 1: ran the ball and he just refused to call runs.

781
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: And I think that, But that's back to McDaniel. You

782
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: can't hide who you are as a coach, no different

783
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 1: than you know you approach a radio show up podcast

784
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: certain ways, like everyone has their own styles and you

785
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 1: kind of stay true to that, especially the older and

786
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: more success you have. So that that to me, I'm

787
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: going to be fascinated watching that early on, like how

788
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: he treats this, Like is he cool starting the season

789
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: four and one but only having him average let's say

790
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: twenty pass attempts a game, and really like we're going

791
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: to try to lead the league in rushing in September,

792
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: because that's how he should be talking, just even if

793
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: he's bullsh on the player in practice, just to ease

794
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: his start into the year. I mean last year with

795
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: Caleb it was like throwing nonstops, like this is not

796
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: gonna work, guys, This is unfair to the guy.

797
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: So I thought it was interesting. Apparently Jim Harbaugh loved

798
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas, the receiver that went to Jacksonville, who was

799
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 2: great as a rookie. But he drafted Joe Alt. And

800
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 2: they had a great left tackle in Shaan Slater. But

801
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: and Alt was the best tackle in the draft. So

802
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: Harbaugh drafts Joe Alt. He was inconsistent. But I was

803
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 2: told inside the building that they thought Alt was going

804
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 2: to be a pro Bowl level right tackle this year.

805
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: Now Slater now gets hurt season ending injury. Heartbreaking for

806
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: the kid. Great player. My guess is they moved Alt

807
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 2: over the left and then they you know, they've got

808
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 2: multiple guys that can play right. But I thought it,

809
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: and they I thought, once again, this is where Harbaugh's

810
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: really smart. Everybody wanted them to take a receiver. Remember

811
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: they'd lost Keenan Allen, They'd lost Mike Williams. Everybody in

812
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 2: the world thought it was a wide receiver. The Bears

813
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: to Roma Dunze, right, the Bears could have used an

814
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,080
Speaker 2: offensive linement. Let's be honest, the Bears didn't need Roma Dunzee.

815
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Speaker 2: They could use Joe Alt last year in the offensive

816
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 2: line Harbaugh gets Joe Alt, and a year later it's prescient.

817
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: I mean you look at it and you're like, oh shit,

818
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 2: if they didn't draft Joel, where would they beat today?

819
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Speaker 2: Lad mcconky's excellent. Keenan Allen comes back, he'll be your classic,

820
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, forty eight catches, sixty catches, third down guy.

821
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Speaker 2: But it goes back to Harbaugh's the opposite of Mike

822
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: McDaniel everywhere he goes. I remember Stanford. I can remember

823
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: his second year at Stanford. People are like, they're not

824
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 2: any good, but they're the most physical team in the

825
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 2: Pac ten. They went into USC and the Coliseum as

826
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 2: a forty point dog in one, and they were beating

827
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: on us like they were physical. And I think it

828
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: goes when we bang on a Mike McDaniel, it's like Harbor.

829
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Is always true to who he is.

830
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 2: So even though the Rashawn Slater injury is brutal, the

831
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: Joel Alt draft pick to some degree saves them.

832
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Speaker 1: In my opinion, Yeah, I mean, it's why they always

833
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: say you get you can't draft for need. You got

834
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: to draft the best player available, and a left tackle

835
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: is always should be more valuable than a wide receiver

836
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: I mean it was always if he's good, don't always

837
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, and they nailed that. I do think they'll

838
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: big picture, like everyone's saying that he's like he's gonna

839
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: take Molik neighbors, Like, guys, have you not followed this

840
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 1: guy's career. But a huge reason I was bullish on

841
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: him last year. I even if I don't think they're

842
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 1: gonna be as good as some teams, like I don't

843
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: put them on the top tier in the AFC, I

844
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: would bet on them being good again. This is a

845
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: pretty big blow because their team is roster wise, is

846
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 1: not as sexy as the other guys they're chasing. And

847
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: a huge point of you know, kind of where they

848
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: separate is they have, you know, the best tackle duo

849
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: in the league, and now they add backed in like

850
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: they were going to be so physical and we know

851
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: Jim Jim Will I have no problem rushing it literally

852
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 1: every play and he could win go seventeen to zero

853
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: and win every game nine to seven, and he'd be

854
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: the happiest guy in America. But I think anytime that

855
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: you lose a guy in the Domino effect, because like, okay,

856
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: you move him to left tackle, that means your right

857
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: tackle gets worse. Do you try to move back into

858
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: right tackle, that means your guard gets worse, Like it's

859
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 1: a domino effect. Even though it's a it's the best

860
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,279
Speaker 1: situation given that they drafted Joe Walt that if you're

861
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 1: going to lose a star left tackle, you have a replacement.

862
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: But it has a huge blow. And even they signed

863
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 1: Nasie Harris like they're going to pound two running backs

864
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: and he messed up his eye. Clearly can't do anything,

865
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, he's it's not good. I mean,

866
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm not very I wouldn't be bullish on him starting

867
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: the season early. I mean, he clearly is not even

868
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: close to practicing. So I think the Chargers are just

869
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: in a weird spot. Now they got Jim Harbod their

870
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: floor is so high they could have a season from

871
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 1: hell and win eight games. But I think that was

872
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: not just to devastating injury. My dad again, he was

873
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: a fifty year old guy, Taurus battel attendant when he

874
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 1: was like fifty years old, and it was never the same.

875
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,279
Speaker 1: That is not an acl that that is not a

876
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: broken arm or broken leg. That is the devastating knee injury.

877
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: So that's that scary big picture too, especially because you

878
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 1: know cap wise they just invested. I mean, I think

879
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: in a I'm not trying to be doomsday or here,

880
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 1: but you almost have to say, this might never be

881
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,719
Speaker 1: the same with this individual player. So now, luckily Jim

882
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: Harbaugh is you know, might as well be an offensive

883
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: line guy, so he'll be able to figure something out.

884
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: But you usually don't replace you know, even if you

885
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: can replace left tackle, then the right tackle. The drop

886
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: off at that position, you could argue from a high

887
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 1: end tackle to the backup is almost like a quarterback.

888
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: It's a precipitous drop off. The backup is typically in

889
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: a different stratus.

890
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 2: Fuld than that. It goes back to George Young, the

891
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 2: late great general manager of the New York Giants, and

892
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 2: Paul Brown and George Young. There are people that just

893
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: you know, Ted Thompson in Green Bay, like had a

894
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 2: theory on drafting and he used to call it the

895
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: planet theory George Young did, which was there are only

896
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 2: so many six six, three hundred and twenty five pound

897
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: men annually born in America eventually to become that that

898
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: have good feet and are really really have long arms.

899
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 2: Like I've always said, after quarterback left tackle is I

900
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 2: mean I would take a great left tackle over Michael Parsons.

901
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: I mean I would, I wouldn't. I mean outside of

902
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: a Lawrence Tales, Miles Garrett, not even hesitation because the

903
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 2: man upstairs, I'm not overly religious, but the man upstairs

904
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 2: makes a lot of six four, two hundred and seventy

905
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,720
Speaker 2: pound guys who could run fast and rush the passer.

906
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 2: There's a there's a surplus. Almost every team's got somebody

907
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 2: who's really good at the edge. There's six good left

908
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 2: tackles in the game. And if the thirty best of

909
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 2: all time, I think twenty seven were drafted in the

910
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: first round, like they don't show up in a city

911
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: you can get brought Purty in the seventh and Kurt

912
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: Owner undrafted, you know, Antonio Gates, and not a lot

913
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,959
Speaker 2: of great left tackles all time that went in even

914
00:45:02,040 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: the fourth round. So to lose Rashawn Slater, who I

915
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 2: think was the eleventh, twelve, thirteenth pick, it's it's a

916
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: devastating blow.

917
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: I also think, if I wanted to argue the other side,

918
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: part of the reason that Jim Harbaugh is worth so

919
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: much and his value is so high is because no

920
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 1: one in their right mind could get in front of

921
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 1: a team and give a speech like we're gonna be okay.

922
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: But that's what you have to do in his role.

923
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: Especially it's when did he get hurt? August sixth, I mean,

924
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: we got a long way to go here. We're a

925
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: month out from week one, and I think he's good

926
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 1: enough because, let's face it, he's a little psychotic. He's

927
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: this kind of crazy in a weird way and optimist.

928
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 1: He's a very optimistic human being that he could get

929
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: up there and still breathe light in like Mike McDaniel, Dude,

930
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 1: do I think like? I mean, it's shown when Tua

931
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: goes down, they just implode because whatever he's saying, no

932
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: one believes them. If you told me Herbert missed a month,

933
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 1: I'd be like, I bet Jim could go to and

934
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: two because he can just instill some confidence that no

935
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: one has. And that's where the Chargers finally opening the

936
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 1: checkbook for a high end coach. It's valuable for this.

937
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: So this is a year that a bad coach could

938
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 1: just implode and you go six and eleven, but wouldn't

939
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 1: shock anyone if the Chargers are just like the grittiest

940
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: nine to eight team in the league because of Jim.

941
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 1: That's you know, when it's like it shouldn't be this way.

942
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: Their offensive line, like they maybe have to rotate some

943
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: tackles whoever's filling in for all spot, and it's like

944
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 1: they just kind of figure it out and they just

945
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: kind of tough their way there. They win a couple

946
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: of games like fifteen to thirteen. I mean, they're gonna

947
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: do that even when they're really good one day. But

948
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: this is where Jim's value comes in in moments like this.

949
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: Let's finish it up. Talking about Jackson Dark So I

950
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:52,919
Speaker 2: thought he was more of a second or third round pick.

951
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 2: Good looking kid. I watched a lot of them at

952
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 2: ole Miss used to be at USC. He's got a

953
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,879
Speaker 2: nice arm, and I was kind of like, go either

954
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 2: way on him. And then I watched him play Florida

955
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: in Gainesville and that was a big game for ole

956
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: Miss and he just didn't play well at all. And

957
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, that's a big spot. You got to

958
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: play better than that. And I mean, people have bad games,

959
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 2: but that wasn't. Elaine Kiffin lost, Like it was just

960
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 2: a bad game. And so I'm like, you know, he's

961
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: probably a late second. So the Giants who got into

962
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 2: a rough spot it's New York, and I think they

963
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 2: reached a little bit because the people I had talked

964
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,319
Speaker 2: to liked Jackson Dart but thought he was high second round.

965
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 2: He went late first. Whatever, it's quarterback. You and I

966
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:34,399
Speaker 2: are both okay, reach out of quarterback. So he played

967
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: pretty well twelve nine team had a couple of really

968
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: nice throws. He moves pretty well. I mean, he wasn't

969
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: severely overdrafted, especially with a position. But here's the interesting thing.

970
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:52,120
Speaker 2: So next year's a very good quarterback draft class. This year,

971
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: the Giant schedule is the toughest in the league, especially

972
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: the first eight weeks. My guess is this is why

973
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 2: I didn't like drafting Jackson Dart. If you don't play him,

974
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: can you draft another quarterback with a top pick? You're

975
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:13,480
Speaker 2: better off playing Russ. He gets you know, he takes

976
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 2: the criticism. I would keep the coach, but the GM

977
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: gets fired that the owner will probably move both out

978
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,359
Speaker 2: and you start over again with a new quarterback. So

979
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: could I make this argument just play Jackson Dart after

980
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,919
Speaker 2: about week three? If you look at the schedule, there'll

981
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: be an underdog. I think in their first eight weeks

982
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 2: they could be an underdog each week. Play Russell the

983
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: first couple, appease him and go with Jackson Dart at

984
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 2: least then next year you can say, listen, we gave

985
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: the kid a run, we think he's a great back,

986
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 2: or somebody likes him and goes. But my take is,

987
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 2: having Russell play the first eight weeks, you're going to

988
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: draft another quarterback with the first pick of Jackson. I

989
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 2: mean Arizona had Josh Rosen played him, he struggled. Every

990
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 2: buddy bought into we're getting a new quarterback might take it.

991
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 2: You can't not play Jackson Dart and then draft a quarterback.

992
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: Then it looks like a really bad pick. What do

993
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 2: you do if you're the Giant's brain trust with Jackson Dart.

994
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's not apples to apples because one guy was

995
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: a fifth round pick and the other guy went like

996
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: twenty four. But to me, it's got a lot of

997
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,600
Speaker 1: shade or Sanders. No one's gonna want to watch Russell

998
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:24,439
Speaker 1: Wilson after about fifteen snaps. This team's not very good,

999
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 1: And if I was a fan, I just wouldn't want

1000
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,839
Speaker 1: to watch Russell Wilson. Now, the difference is Stefanski really

1001
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: likes Flacco. I could see Brian Dave all being out

1002
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: on Russell. And we've seen some other coaches.

1003
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: Both Pete and Sean fast.

1004
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Quick and clearly Arthur Smith more than Tomlin wanted to

1005
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: pivot back to justin fields. He wasn't feeling it. So

1006
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: I could see this thing pivoting quick the other thing.

1007
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 1: And listen, I know the ownership doesn't want to get

1008
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: too involved, but we got to know, so I get

1009
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: this guy fourteen starts. He also likes Shador. These guys

1010
00:50:00,719 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: played a lot in college, so it's not this is

1011
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: not one of those situations, like you know, Jim Harbaugh

1012
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: just played Trey Lance in the Hall of Fame game,

1013
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: like into the third late in the third quarter. He's

1014
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 1: just trying to get the kid reps and hopefully like

1015
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: someone likes him. He's third string quarterback, but he's never

1016
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: played how many starts Jackson Dart have in the SEC

1017
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: hell he was starting at USC before he transferred, remember

1018
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: because they had some injuries or I forget exactly the

1019
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: way it played out, but just what are we waiting for?

1020
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 1: And this is always a personnel thing, you know, with

1021
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: coaching staff, because like, well, he doesn't quite know the

1022
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 1: offense yet. It's like, well, coach, we're losing forty to

1023
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 1: ten each week. So the quarterback that knows the offense

1024
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: sure as hell can't run it, so we might as

1025
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: well just go with the young guy. Throw him in.

1026
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: Especially now, and these coaches have talked about it more.

1027
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: These guys are much more prepared coming into the NFL

1028
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: in the sense of they've thrown so much right, so yeah,

1029
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,759
Speaker 1: they you know, is it an easy transition to every

1030
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 1: offense coming from college. Of course not, but a lot

1031
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: of people have said, you know, Lane's offense has really

1032
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: matured over the years and some of the stuff. That's

1033
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 1: why they kind of liked him. So I think I

1034
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,240
Speaker 1: would Tree Jackson Dart if I'm one in three boom

1035
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: He's I.

1036
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: Would do it.

1037
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,520
Speaker 1: The fan base they are going to want no part

1038
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson. I mean that. I think the Russell

1039
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 1: Wilson and Flacco you could get booze week one. If

1040
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: you're down fifteen points at a half time, I think

1041
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: you start getting chance for Shador and Jackson Dart. Do

1042
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 1: you know, I can see that coming from a mile away.

1043
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: I don't think there's ever been a player that has

1044
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: eroded as quickly as Russell Wilson. I mean, I was

1045
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 2: Team Russ and I knew, you know, I had talked

1046
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 2: to Greg Cosel on the air and off that I

1047
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 2: knew he wasn't great from the pocket, but he threw

1048
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: the best rainbow ball.

1049
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: He was elusive.

1050
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 2: He was like not as athletic as Kyler Murray, but

1051
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 2: there was a little bit of Kyler Murray where you're

1052
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: like nobody can get Nobody got a shot on him

1053
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: for years, and because of baseball, he was a great slider,

1054
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 2: unlike a Lamar Jackson or Michael Vick, who are better

1055
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 2: athletes but get popped. Like nobody ever hit Russ. And

1056
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden he goes to Denver and

1057
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 2: it's like, wow, this is he looked puffy, he almost

1058
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,759
Speaker 2: got stronger. It's like he worked out too much. He

1059
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 2: got slower, thicker, you know whatever. It was kind of

1060
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: disconnected from reality, like he was Pete Carroll and that

1061
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: defense sort of protected him. And I mean, maybe I

1062
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: just overvalued him, but I don't remember ever in my

1063
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: lifetime a quarterback in two different environments, being criticized by

1064
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: teammates and turning off a legendary head coach quickly, like

1065
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to make of Russ's career.

1066
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 2: I don't even have a comp for it.

1067
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 1: In the NFL, he was way better for longer than

1068
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson, but their styles were similar. Once you stopped

1069
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: making the place, you're not good within the pocket, and

1070
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: your instincts in terms of avoiding sacks are not great.

1071
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: So they run into a lot of sacks. And remember,

1072
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: for a long time when Russell was still making plays,

1073
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: the offensive line would just get destroyed. And internally, I

1074
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: don't think our offensive line is that bad. He's running

1075
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,360
Speaker 1: into him, but he was making enough to kind of

1076
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: scramble outside the tackle, throw a bomb at an opportune time,

1077
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 1: and everyone's like superstar. But he was the only guy

1078
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: really playing like that, right. He wasn't doing his work

1079
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: inside the pocket because he couldn't. He's not really a

1080
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,400
Speaker 1: timing and rhythm guy. He's a playmaker. Same with Deshan.

1081
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:24,760
Speaker 1: The moment that left where they got, they would second

1082
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: guess themselves, so they are steps slower, they run into

1083
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: more sacks. It dissolves fast, and the offense looks all

1084
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:33,920
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you look like the worst offense in

1085
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: the league. It's not even functionable. And I think Russell,

1086
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if his athleticism diminished, you know, in

1087
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 1: his mid thirties, if he started hesitating after a couple

1088
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: of bumps and bruises, but that playmaking just disappeared overnight.

1089
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,160
Speaker 1: And then he got with a couple of coaches. They're like, Okay,

1090
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: we're not even gonna try to do that play within

1091
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 1: our offense, and he couldn't do it. And then there's

1092
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:59,000
Speaker 1: the element of clearly a little different, like his just personality,

1093
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: which works when you're winning. I think can just turn

1094
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: off people because the one thing the NFL has, I

1095
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: think in a locker room with coaching, it's a pretty

1096
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: authentic league, like people are just pretty normal and people

1097
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 1: just themselves. And I think sometimes when people think you're

1098
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: being fake, even if he's not, because in farness to Russell,

1099
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: he's kind of been the same thing since like Wisconsin,

1100
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, so I don't know if you can put on, uh,

1101
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: you know, uh fake that personality for that long. I

1102
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 1: think that's just who he is. I just don't think

1103
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: a lot of people in the NFL are like that,

1104
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,439
Speaker 1: so it can't really relate to that. And it's one

1105
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: thing when you're winning, put up with anything. You start losing,

1106
00:54:35,640 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: it's like, what the hell is this? You know, this

1107
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: is kind of a beer drinking. We've got a lot

1108
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,319
Speaker 1: of chew. We're just a bunch of dudes, and we

1109
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: got this dude saying this stuff that is like, no

1110
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: one talks that. You're talking like a politician or something.

1111
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: You're just a quarterback, bro. Can you just act normal?

1112
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 1: Even Tom put on the corporate face in front of

1113
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 1: the mic, then be a guy's guy with grown Kentucky. Yeah,

1114
00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: he can just be a dude. And that's where Russell,

1115
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: that's that's why I think some of these guys have

1116
00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 1: turned on them, because some of these guys he's played

1117
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: with in the last couple of years that they weren't

1118
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: around when he was throwing, you know, in twenty seventeen,

1119
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: all these comeback victories. They don't even know that means

1120
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: nothing to them. It's twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five.

1121
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: I think you saw it last year with DeShawn Now

1122
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 1: he was playing worse, you know. In fairness to Russell,

1123
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 1: Deshawn's a much worse player the last couple years than

1124
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,400
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. But once you start playing bad, and I

1125
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 1: think we're losing because of you. These players, I mean,

1126
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: most guys are not Miles garrett On kind of scholarship

1127
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 1: for years, like you get cut at any moment you

1128
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,359
Speaker 1: start losing. Jobs are on the line, so people turn

1129
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:37,959
Speaker 1: on each other quick. Yeah.

1130
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: The you know, I was sitting here looking at my notes.

1131
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: We haven't really talked about it, but so they're not

1132
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: playing Matt Stafford. Rams apparently dominated the Cowboys at that

1133
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 2: practice they had and then they didn't play Matt Stafford,

1134
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: and you know, controlled the Cowboys when they played in

1135
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: the game. And I have said this, the Cowboys I

1136
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:11,799
Speaker 2: think have one of the weaker staffs. I think the

1137
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: Mica and the Trayvon Diggs noise. These guys don't. They

1138
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,720
Speaker 2: want new deals. And I mean the Rams are playing

1139
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett like they're not. They're you know who, by

1140
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 2: the way, I'm not I mean like disappeared came back.

1141
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: I'll throw this out if I said to you the

1142
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:34,200
Speaker 2: two bottom teams in the NFL, I think the Giants

1143
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 2: are going to be one mostly because of their quarterback

1144
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 2: situation and their center. I actually like some of their players.

1145
00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 2: Their schedules brutal, their schedules absolutely brutal. They're going to

1146
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 2: go zero and four against probably Washington and Philadelphia at best.

1147
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 2: They split with Dallas, but I think we would both

1148
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 2: say the Giants with the schedule, in their quarterback situation,

1149
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: it's going to be pretty dire. We know Cleveland and

1150
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:00,880
Speaker 2: the Saints could be really bad. Dallas may not have

1151
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 2: playoff wins over the last thirty years, not many of them.

1152
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,319
Speaker 2: Is it possible they are a three win team? Is

1153
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: it possible?

1154
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: I think it's very difficult. If Dak plays a lot

1155
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: of games. If you tell me Dak plays fifteen sixteen games,

1156
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: even really shitty, they're probably winning fifteen or sixteen or

1157
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: I mean five or six games. One things Jerry's proven

1158
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,240
Speaker 1: is they have had guys kind of come out of

1159
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 1: nowhere overshown. They actually draft pretty well, so they get

1160
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: some guys they nail their first round picks usually yeah,

1161
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,440
Speaker 1: and they get some guys in the mid rounds that

1162
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: are just saw some random guy on defense playing safety

1163
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,200
Speaker 1: that you didn't Who's this Deron Bland guy from SAX

1164
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 1: State prisone state transfer. They've been a pretty good drafting team.

1165
00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: Hard to overcome, you know, a coaching staff if you're right,

1166
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: they don't have one of the good staffs. I mean,

1167
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 1: this guy was not This guy would not have been

1168
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: a coordinator in the league. Now, some stuff, you know,

1169
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: it's it's perception, it's you know, the buzz of your candidacy.

1170
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: Are you high or you low? That matters in the

1171
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: NFL or college too. And he was obviously not thought

1172
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: of like he once was. But that's a fact. He

1173
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: would not have been a coordinator in the league. You know,

1174
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: Eberflus people think he's a good defensive coordinator. Well, they

1175
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,240
Speaker 1: just re hired him because they knew him, you know,

1176
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 1: because he was coaching on their staff several years ago.

1177
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 1: Kind of a classic Jerry thing. Mike had Parsons. We

1178
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 1: have some I mean, Bosa was it two years ago,

1179
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: set out all camp and just wasn't quite the same

1180
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: that season. You know, even if you're working on your

1181
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 1: own beside practice in the weight room with the training staff,

1182
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 1: it's not the same as getting the practice rep. So

1183
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: even if they signed him September first and he plays

1184
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: or I guess they'd probably need to do a little

1185
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: before that because they're playing Thursday night football, But the

1186
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: expectation for him would have to be tempered a little bit.

1187
00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: And they they're depending on a ton of young guys

1188
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: on the offensive line and that can be very hit

1189
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 1: or miss. Yeah, when it hits, it's awesome. We saw

1190
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:45,720
Speaker 1: the Chiefs kind of doing that last year too, and

1191
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, Well, you know, so it's it

1192
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: can flip on you quick. So three fields. I do

1193
00:58:51,600 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 1: think they have an infrastructure of guys that have won,

1194
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: Like even when Mike had comes back, he's won a

1195
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: lot of games, Dak Ceedee Lamb. Like, they got some

1196
00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,920
Speaker 1: solid players. But I do think he could just be

1197
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: they could be the last place team in the division

1198
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 1: if if the coach is over his head and they're

1199
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: I mean they're pretty top heavy. I mean, Ceedee Lamb

1200
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:07,960
Speaker 1: pulls amstring. What the hell are you gonna do?

1201
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, George Pickenson, Yeah, I mean I agree with you,

1202
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: and I was a little over the top. I coaching

1203
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 2: is at least thirty to forty percent of this league.

1204
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 2: It's a big part because you know the margins is,

1205
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 2: you know, the average game is decided by four to

1206
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 2: six points. And I mean Mike McCarthy's a good coach

1207
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 2: and struggled in close games. I mean they always had

1208
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 2: too many penalties with Mike McCarthy. They weren't good situationally.

1209
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 2: Some of that is what you know Dak Cooper rush

1210
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 2: Dak got banged up. Dak Now and he's never been

1211
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 2: a great thrower. Dack Now is a pocket quarterback. So

1212
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: my take is the George Picken acquisition could end up

1213
00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 2: being you know, we all looked at it and went,

1214
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: oh boy, oh immature. It may have saved this team

1215
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 2: because you can't roll your coverage over now to just

1216
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: ceede Lamb. Because George is such a hard physical matchup,

1217
00:59:58,800 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: with his coaching, with his catching radius. My take is

1218
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 2: there's always an acquisition, and we look at it was

1219
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 2: maybe Xavier McKinney for the Packers or somebody when they

1220
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 2: got him. Didn't the get him with the Giants. You

1221
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: look at you're like, god, damn, he's a good football player.

1222
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 2: I think the George Pickens thing really ends up kind

1223
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 2: of at least making the Cowboys a good watch. I mean,

1224
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: I'll watch I want to watch Pickens with Zak. I

1225
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: did I really do I want.

1226
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: To watch him with brun Shott Nimers. He listening to him,

1227
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:32,280
Speaker 1: I mean, he wasn't listening to Mike Tomlins's gonna listen

1228
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: to that guy. I think one Gruden talked about this,

1229
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 1: Mike Lombardi talked about this those latter years of Al Davis,

1230
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: and it was always probably like this. But when it

1231
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: got really out of control, players knew that when the

1232
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:45,800
Speaker 1: coordinator the head coach got mad at him, they would

1233
01:00:45,800 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: just circumvent them and go right to the owner's office

1234
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: because they knew he was in charge if he wanted

1235
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: to of the plays of who got cut like he was,

1236
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: he was very involved in football and he was making

1237
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: all the decisions. That is not the case with all

1238
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: the teams. Right, if you play for the Chiefs, you

1239
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: know who the bosses, Andy Reid, you know you play

1240
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: for the good teams. You know the boss, the head coach,

1241
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 1: and the GM. You're not circumventing them to the owner

1242
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 1: right when that happens. Remember when Chip Kelly got fired

1243
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: in Philly, and like some of the players were talking

1244
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: to Jeffrey Lury, it was like, that's never a good sign.

1245
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 1: You know what you have it you don't hear that

1246
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 1: In Philadelphia? They know Howie and Sirianne like, if you

1247
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,040
Speaker 1: you got an issue, you go to them, right. And

1248
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,040
Speaker 1: I think that these players, especially the last couple of years,

1249
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: because Jerry in the social media world we live in,

1250
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,160
Speaker 1: he's so out front, he talks so much. They do

1251
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, who had won a Super Bowl and won

1252
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: a ton of games, like, ultimatelybody, you're not the boss, right,

1253
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 1: We'll go to Jerry if we have an issue, and

1254
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: then and then I'll just become a public thing and

1255
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: it becomes a shit show. I think it's hard to

1256
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,080
Speaker 1: overcome that, and I think they almost did, because, let's

1257
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 1: face it, like Mike kind of knows what he's doing.

1258
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,439
Speaker 1: He has some limitations, and I you know, he's got

1259
01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:58,040
Speaker 1: exposed a couple times in the playoffs, but he's a

1260
01:01:58,040 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: pretty good coach. Went twelve games three years in a

1261
01:01:59,680 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: row with with Jerry, which is not easy to do.

1262
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: Is Brian gonna be able to handle that? Like a

1263
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:07,600
Speaker 1: what if Mike Parsons doesn't like what Eberflus is telling him.

1264
01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:09,960
Speaker 1: Once he's finally signed, let's go. I mean he's already

1265
01:02:09,960 --> 01:02:12,280
Speaker 1: been meet with Jerry. He just go to Jerry's office, Hey, Jerry,

1266
01:02:12,280 --> 01:02:13,919
Speaker 1: we got this is not Can you talk to Evira

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Speaker 1: Fluis about running this coverage? Because that was a classic thing.

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01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: Now Al was more involved, like truly with the scheme.

1269
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: But if I was a player and I had if

1270
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 1: I thought the coach was an idiot, and I had

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Speaker 1: an owner like Jerry, I'd go right up to his

1272
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,840
Speaker 1: officer give him a call, Jerry Steven, this is not

1273
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: going to work for me. And that is a media implosion,

1274
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: And that might be if this team really goes down,

1275
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:39,840
Speaker 1: that could be something that Dak and his leadership couldn't

1276
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: even overcome. That's where it could really be a problem.

1277
01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,080
Speaker 1: And I do think the gap between a Mike McCarthy

1278
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,360
Speaker 1: and Brian Schottenheimer could be like at the forefront, be like,

1279
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:52,120
Speaker 1: there's a gap between those two guys. And remember last

1280
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: year Mike Dak got injured with the hamstring injury, and

1281
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, they're fucked. And then as the

1282
01:02:58,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: season went on, you're like, you know, there's pretty respect

1283
01:03:00,280 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: what they did the way it was just like they're

1284
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: a well run operation. There's a big gap. And we

1285
01:03:05,360 --> 01:03:07,440
Speaker 1: talked about this with Jim Harbaugh. They could be a disaster,

1286
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:09,240
Speaker 1: but they'll still win eight or nine games, not two

1287
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 1: or three, right like they did with that year with

1288
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: Brandon Staley when they imploded. Well, the difference between eight

1289
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: and three or four can be a couple of players

1290
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 1: just quitting on you in October and then all of

1291
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: a sudden you kind of like start questioning yourself and

1292
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: it can't implod. So maybe worst case scenario, you get

1293
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: weird stuff happening in an injury. Players quit on you

1294
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: and don't believe in you. It could be a problem,

1295
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: and that would be Jerry's fault. Jerry's created this. You know,

1296
01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: culture gets thrown around a lot, but the culture in

1297
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 1: Dallas is just Jerry, right. You just kind of do

1298
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: what Jerry wants. Jerry's in control. Mike McCarthy plays out

1299
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: his last season. That was bizarre the way he does.

1300
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: These players, I mean, they're just kind of run right

1301
01:03:48,040 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 1: now really unlike all the respectable teams. And you know,

1302
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 1: for three years with Mike McCarthy, I know, they bombed

1303
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: out the playoff. They were respectable twelve games every year,

1304
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,360
Speaker 1: really good players. But all the other teams they're competing,

1305
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: the Packers, the Niners, all the teams they are losing

1306
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 1: to They don't operate anything like that with their owner.

1307
01:04:06,880 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 1: But it's not going to stop as long as you know.

1308
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: It feels like it's getting worse, doesn't it. Yeah.

1309
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 2: No, I think going back to your initial comment, I

1310
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: think they they're starting to feel like Al Davis the

1311
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 2: last six or seven years. They're It's interesting what power

1312
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:29,440
Speaker 2: does to men. I think women tend to age a

1313
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: little bit more gracefully, but wealthy guys, you know, it

1314
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 2: could be Sumner Redstone. Is it Summer Redstone or Sumner Redstone.

1315
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 2: I forget a lot of these old guys. They get

1316
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: a little crazy and they lack self awareness, and most

1317
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 2: of them are not like Warren Buffett. It's like, hey,

1318
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 2: I could still do this for three or four more years,

1319
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:57,440
Speaker 2: but you know it's time. And I think you see this.

1320
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 2: I mean the NFL, of all these sports owners ship groups,

1321
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,040
Speaker 2: it is a good old boys club. And they they

1322
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: wouldn't you know, they wouldn't even consider bringing in probably

1323
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: a Mark Cuban like the NBA did. They wouldn't even

1324
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 2: consider it. And it's just it's just a place where

1325
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,160
Speaker 2: Jerry and Bob Kraft and Stan Kronke, there's a handful

1326
01:05:19,160 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: of owners who are highly influential, and.

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Speaker 1: Jerry knows it.

1328
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 2: But the problem being is, you know, once once you

1329
01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,439
Speaker 2: get close to the first number in your age being eight,

1330
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:35,040
Speaker 2: it's different. I mean, I Vin Scully was broadcasting, you know,

1331
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 2: in his seventies. You can Al michaels is seventy seven.

1332
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 2: There's a big gap. You start getting, you start getting

1333
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: seventy nine, eighty eighty one.

1334
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 1: Your faculties aren't the same, you know.

1335
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: And it's like, and Jerry's lived hard, Jerry's lived a

1336
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 2: big life, and Al Jerry parties. Jerry parties today and

1337
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,520
Speaker 2: Al lived a big life, and so it's not a shot.

1338
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 2: It's just I think about this stuff all the time.

1339
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 2: Is that I loved age gracefully and I probably won't.

1340
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 2: So I just I think it's one of those things

1341
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: where it's become the Lakers a little bit. It's it's

1342
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 2: new ownership and it'll never happen. Would not be terrible,

1343
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: like the Bus Family got you know, Kobe's agent, Rob

1344
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 2: Polenka is the GM and there's all sorts of friends

1345
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:21,640
Speaker 2: and family cowboys. Just they're not the Bears. They're not

1346
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 2: totally dysfunctional in ownership with like eleven kids.

1347
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:25,680
Speaker 1: But they're not.

1348
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 2: They're closer to the Bears than they are to the

1349
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: Rams right now.

1350
01:06:30,520 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: I agree, they just have more money. Yeah right, you know,

1351
01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: I think you bring up Robert Kraft. Obviously it ended

1352
01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 1: really poorly with Bill, but for those twenty years, Robert

1353
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:42,920
Speaker 1: became a star. But Bill got to be the face,

1354
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:46,640
Speaker 1: you know, the face of the team, at the forefront

1355
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:49,560
Speaker 1: of making the decisions, and he bared the responsibility good

1356
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: or bad, and he went out right. Robert joined him

1357
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,120
Speaker 1: when it was good, but if it was bad, Bill

1358
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 1: took the arrows. Al Davis even in his prime and

1359
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: Jerry in his prime could not have gone twenty years

1360
01:07:01,400 --> 01:07:03,880
Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick getting all the credit of the good times.

1361
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 1: I mean, they prove that. I mean, I would get

1362
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,120
Speaker 1: rid of coaches. And it's probably when they were winning

1363
01:07:07,160 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: Super Bowls. And obviously Jerry, I mean had that early on.

1364
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 1: It was like Jimmy, you're out, you know. And again

1365
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,400
Speaker 1: that was when Jerry was sharp as attack. I mean,

1366
01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: probably one of the more impressive business guys. And this

1367
01:07:19,560 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: is the mid nineties. So your personality does it only

1368
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: amplify and get more aggressive the more money you have,

1369
01:07:26,120 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: Like you said, now he's in his eighties. I just

1370
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,400
Speaker 1: think it could get really, really weird because if the

1371
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:36,000
Speaker 1: team's not good, he's still calling into that radio show

1372
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,600
Speaker 1: every Tuesday morning. He's still in the locker room, which

1373
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:41,080
Speaker 1: doesn't happen anywhere else. I mean, it has dak and

1374
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: these guys are so numb to it because it's all

1375
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,439
Speaker 1: they've ever seen. If you just put like a took

1376
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: some dude from like the Rams, you know, like a

1377
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: just take like a Puka Nakua or just any other

1378
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: team and just put them on the Cowboys for like

1379
01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 1: a week after the game in the locker room and

1380
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: the owner is over there, Like usually the press goes

1381
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: to the quarterback, they go to the guy that made

1382
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 1: the big play. Jerry walks in that room and he's

1383
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: ready to hold court. They all go because his quote's

1384
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:06,720
Speaker 1: going to make the headlines. And unlike those guys that

1385
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:09,360
Speaker 1: might not say anything, you know, Jerry will.

1386
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's wrap it up with this. You and I

1387
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: had an interesting conversation driving home from the live tournament.

1388
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 2: Is that, like I am always pro entrepreneur, Like when

1389
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 2: Dana White took a UFC fight during COVID to an island.

1390
01:08:28,439 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 2: I've always been pro Dana White. There was a lot

1391
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:32,760
Speaker 2: of critics of USC for a long time until Dany

1392
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 2: got momentum. And there's still critics because his relationship with Trump. Whatever.

1393
01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 2: Dana is an entrepreneur and he has pushed back on

1394
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,639
Speaker 2: the media. He doesn't give a shit. I will always

1395
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: defend commissioners and entrepreneurs who take swings. And that's what

1396
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:48,960
Speaker 2: I said. I mean the PGA, one am I loyal to?

1397
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:49,719
Speaker 1: It was a charity.

1398
01:08:49,840 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 2: They didn't run Augusta, they didn't run the British Open,

1399
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,639
Speaker 2: and didn't run the US Open. So I was always

1400
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 2: loyal to the golfer. But you brought up a really

1401
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 2: interesting point this weekend and I briefly, briefly just said

1402
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,519
Speaker 2: hi to Brooks Koepka and watched them t off in

1403
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:04,360
Speaker 2: the first and watched this.

1404
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: He said, Heidi, he walked over to you. Come now.

1405
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 2: He's Brooks is a sports fan. He knows what's going on,

1406
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,800
Speaker 2: and I'm a huge fan. In fact, I'm bombed out

1407
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:13,200
Speaker 2: that he asked we played that well? And I won't

1408
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: share with you what he said because I said, man,

1409
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: you're you look in really good shape, and that he

1410
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,240
Speaker 2: made a funny joke and I'm not going to repeat it,

1411
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: but he's an interesting one because Brooks Kopka, you and

1412
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 2: I talked about this car. He he likes.

1413
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:26,439
Speaker 1: Being on the PGA.

1414
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: But if somebody offers you what is one hundred and

1415
01:09:28,280 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 2: twenty five million, it's generational. Like golf's hard. Golf's a grind.

1416
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 2: Golf was a grind for Tiger when he was the

1417
01:09:35,800 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: best player in the world. I mean, he melted down personally.

1418
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:41,479
Speaker 2: It's it's a grind. It's you don't have a you

1419
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:43,600
Speaker 2: don't have a GM or a coach, you can't have

1420
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 2: an off week. I mean, it's like being a lawyer.

1421
01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 2: You don't get paid if you're not on the if

1422
01:09:47,240 --> 01:09:50,360
Speaker 2: you're not on the course. Tiger did, but through you know,

1423
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: Nike and others. But the point being is you would

1424
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,240
Speaker 2: mention to me, is that, Okay, now these guys got paid,

1425
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,360
Speaker 2: and when those contracts are up for a Pill or

1426
01:10:00,360 --> 01:10:04,800
Speaker 2: a Brooks Koepka, well it's very doubtful they're going to

1427
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:07,120
Speaker 2: get another massive payday.

1428
01:10:07,680 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: Brooks.

1429
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: I think Phil has so much animosity toward and he's

1430
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:13,760
Speaker 2: gonna play. You know, he got the Masters because he's

1431
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 2: won the Masters, so you get a lifetime exception for that, right,

1432
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 2: So what word is do you think somebody, do you

1433
01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 2: think any of these guys will go back? Because you

1434
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,880
Speaker 2: only the live you play three rounds, not four. So

1435
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,880
Speaker 2: a lot of these guys, unless it's a major and

1436
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 2: they have an exemption that they're not, they can't play

1437
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 2: back on the tour, right, So what happens for some

1438
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 2: of these guys if they don't get a second big

1439
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:39,799
Speaker 2: bag of money.

1440
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,959
Speaker 1: I love golf and I've been I mean our experience

1441
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:47,439
Speaker 1: was really cool, and meeting Scott O'Neil that had nothing

1442
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: to do with this. I mean he was just hired

1443
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:52,280
Speaker 1: to replace Greg Norman six months ago. But what Greg

1444
01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:55,080
Speaker 1: and j Monahan felt like a personal fight. It's like

1445
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,479
Speaker 1: they you know, Greg Norman had a vandetta. Yep, he

1446
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:59,960
Speaker 1: got the people with the somehow with the most money

1447
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 1: in the world to finance that vandetta and went on

1448
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,479
Speaker 1: the attack and the PGA Tour, like a lot of

1449
01:11:06,520 --> 01:11:09,680
Speaker 1: country clubs would, they fought back on any ideas and

1450
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:12,280
Speaker 1: change and it created this and it made all these

1451
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: guys wealthy PGA Tour players. I mean, Scotty Scheffer just

1452
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 1: finished second. I think he'll get one and a half

1453
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:20,080
Speaker 1: million dollars. I mean these guys are making Back in

1454
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: the day when Tiger first hit it big, I don't

1455
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: think there were many tournaments that paid a million to win,

1456
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,280
Speaker 1: So I mean the money flowing on the PGA Tour

1457
01:11:27,320 --> 01:11:30,080
Speaker 1: and obviously on Live is massive. All these guys have

1458
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: net Jet towels, right, not Tiger Woods and Scotti Scheffler,

1459
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,519
Speaker 1: Like the seventy fifth guy isn't checking into United with

1460
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: me flying home to Arizona. But I do think talking

1461
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:44,120
Speaker 1: to Scott O'Neill, you know the Live now is run

1462
01:11:44,160 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: by a guy that has an NBA background. The PGA

1463
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: Tour is now run by a guy personally picked by

1464
01:11:49,320 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 1: Tiger that worked with Roger Goodell. You know what those

1465
01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: guys care about business and the tour. Do you know

1466
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,160
Speaker 1: who's benefited the most of this separation, not Live or

1467
01:11:58,160 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour in the sense of like their businesses,

1468
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 1: because the PGA Tour is still fighting like that Wells

1469
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,880
Speaker 1: Fargo and they've had sponsors back out yep. And it's

1470
01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: the majors because that's when you get to see Bryce

1471
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,840
Speaker 1: in Brooks, DJ Scotty altogether. And these guys know that

1472
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,519
Speaker 1: I was blown away. I had heard his name, but

1473
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: i'd never met him personally. You know, Scott O'Neil's really

1474
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 1: high level guy. Yeah, and clearly Brian roll App the

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Speaker 1: PJ Tour guy. If you're a right hand man for

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Speaker 1: Roger Goodell for twenty plus years, I mean you probably

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Speaker 1: know what you're doing. And he was giving us great

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Speaker 1: stories yesterday of dealing with I don't know, David Stern

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Speaker 1: and Josh Harris who just happens on the Sixers and the.

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Speaker 2: Red Stone, and James Dolan, like he's dealt with volcanic personalities.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a huge strength of his is and

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Speaker 1: roll App was the same. They're not golfers, so they're

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Speaker 1: not role apps that I play like three or four

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Speaker 1: times a year. So that means they're not like country

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Speaker 1: club guys. They're not thinking about the game. They think

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Speaker 1: about business and it's pretty black and white to get

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Speaker 1: figure out of way to make this happen, and talking

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Speaker 1: to him yesterday, I don't know when it's gonna happen,

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Speaker 1: but like they understand that because it's this is a sport.

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Speaker 1: Golf's a little stronger in tennis. Usually tennis guys what

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Speaker 1: two or three guys that are like stars, right, they

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Speaker 1: had the last twenty years, Like you know, Federal Golf

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Speaker 1: stall Djokovic Golf typically has a lineup of even if

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Speaker 1: it's Tiger and Phil, there are seven eight more guys

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Speaker 1: who are pretty famous.

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Speaker 2: To Ernie L's yesterday in order, Phil, Dustin, Sergio kept

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Speaker 2: going and we didn't even see Bryson. There was like

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Speaker 2: six guys in a row, and I'm like, oh, there's Phil,

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Speaker 2: there's Dustin, there's Surge and then Hatton, the European guy

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Speaker 2: who's a stud. By the way, he doesn't even look

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Speaker 2: like a golfer in that heat. He had long sleeved

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Speaker 2: shirt on him, like, and he was drenched. So like

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Speaker 2: they're they're listen again. Certain players you get exemptions right

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Speaker 2: for a certain amount of time. But the bottom line

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Speaker 2: is the PGA doesn't run the Masters like they need

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Speaker 2: tournaments that aren't majors to be interesting, and right now

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Speaker 2: a lot of them aren't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. I mean, I think as someone that loves

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Speaker 1: the sport, you've got to figure out a way to

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Speaker 1: allow John Rahm to play waste management. You have to

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Speaker 1: let Bryson d Chambeau, who's a California guy to play

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Speaker 1: Pebble Beach if he wants to. When they go play

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Speaker 1: the Arnold Palmer in Florida, Brooks and DJ those guys

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Speaker 1: live there. Hey, you guys want to play there and

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Speaker 1: find a way to do. All these guys are friends.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Brooks lives next to Rory. They play all

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Speaker 1: the time, you know. I mean Terrell Hadden's on the

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Speaker 1: Ryder Cup team with Justin Rose, Roy McElroy, John Rahm.

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Speaker 1: All these guys. It's a small, small world. And they

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Speaker 1: all live in three or four cities throughout America. Phoenix, Dallas, Jupiter, Florida.

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Speaker 1: They all know each other, and at this point in time,

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Speaker 1: I think sometimes, like any big fight, emotions were high

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Speaker 1: two or three years ago, they've mellowed out. I mean

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Speaker 1: I had never been that close to it. I'd never

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Speaker 1: gone to a golf event like that with a media,

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Speaker 1: no when people being a It's got when I first

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Speaker 1: got into radio and I started going to baseball games,

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Speaker 1: and you could just walk up to batting practice and

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Speaker 1: just like have a conversation with Bruce Bochi two hours

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Speaker 1: before the game. I'm like, if you walked up to

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Speaker 1: Andy Reid on a game day and try to talk

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Speaker 1: to him. I mean he would have shoved you out

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Speaker 1: of the you know, the camera. But it was a

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Speaker 1: different culture and golf it's like this guy's hitting some balls.

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Speaker 1: Brook come over, have a joke. Guy Sergio walks by,

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Speaker 1: how you doing. Brennan Steele, who was obviously a big

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Speaker 1: fan of you, just came over and talked for a while.

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Speaker 1: He plays golf with Joel Klatt in southern California. The

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Speaker 1: culture of golf is a little more melt once they

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Speaker 1: get on the course, you could tell, like all business

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Speaker 1: once they hit. But on the driving range put like

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Speaker 1: you can have conversations. So it's just it's different than

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Speaker 1: some of these other sports. But financially that there is

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Speaker 1: a lot I mean it's that's where it's unique. I

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Speaker 1: mean there's a lot of money in terms of the

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Speaker 1: people that get involved. I mean look at the typically

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Speaker 1: the sponsors. It's like Rolex Mercedes. I mean most of

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Speaker 1: these guys, throughout the course of their career sponsored by

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Speaker 1: huge brands. I mean Phil Forever was like AMG. It's

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Speaker 1: like Phil, what what is KPMG getting out of it? Well,

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Speaker 1: they got out of it. They would bring him to

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Speaker 1: corporate events and he would play with people they want

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Speaker 1: to do business with. You know that they want Apples accounting,

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Speaker 1: so they have an event. Hey Phil, will you play

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Speaker 1: with Tim Cook in this round? Right right? And that's

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Speaker 1: what they paid Phil twenty five million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: to do. So that's where golf is. It's almost intersex.

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Speaker 1: I would say, you know, we talked about NFL as

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Speaker 1: this huge business, and it is, but the players on

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Speaker 1: the field aren't like dealing with corporate you know, it's

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Speaker 1: golf is. The intersection is strong. It's all kind of

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Speaker 1: under one umbrella. The business, the golf, the sponsors. They're

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Speaker 1: all kind of interconnected. And that's where I think the

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Speaker 1: strength is in the group. And Live has four or

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Speaker 1: five guys that golf really needs to be playing with

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Speaker 1: the other guys.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John Middlekoff, great stuff.

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Speaker 1: I'll say it again.

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Speaker 2: Michelson's got a little you know, he's got that five

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Speaker 2: o'clock shadow.

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Speaker 1: He looks slender. I mean, he inspired me. I gotta

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Speaker 1: lose some word about me. He looks fantasy. He's got

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Speaker 1: to be in his best shape he's ever been in

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Speaker 1: his life. I'm fifty five years old. Yeah, all right,

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Speaker 1: good talk anybody, Thanks for The Hospitality Colin all Right

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