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Speaker 1: Late fifteen to ten Touchdown Episode three this week of

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Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly in the NFL, Scout and Combine and Indy

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Speaker 1: as always, joined by Matt Buddy Smith Muddy. This episode

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Speaker 1: another star studded when Dane Brugler, Mita Chimes, and Brett Colton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think we call this Swiss Army

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Speaker 2: Knife episode. They can do it all. Whatever you want

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Speaker 2: to talk about, they can cover it, they can dig

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Speaker 2: deep into it. So you're gonna get a lot of

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Speaker 2: information here, obviously with Mean on the Draft and the

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Speaker 2: NFL as a whole, with what she does for NFL

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Speaker 2: live over there at ESPN, our friend Brett, who just

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Speaker 2: you know, knows every single player has already watched every

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Speaker 2: second of tape on every player at the Combine and

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Speaker 2: in the Draft. And the same thing goes with our

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Speaker 2: friend Dane over at the Athletic and what he's got

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Speaker 2: to put in for work when he's doing the beast.

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Speaker 1: All three were awesome. We'll get to Dane, we'll get

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Speaker 1: to Brett, but first, Mina Chimes keep it rolling here

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Speaker 1: on Chargers Weekly, ESPN's Meda Times joins us and Meta.

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Speaker 1: We just did this a year ago, does it feel

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Speaker 1: like a year ago. Yes, yes, it does.

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Speaker 3: Year Yeah it has gosh.

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Speaker 4: Yes, but I'm excited to be here. It's a fun draft.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Where would you start looking at this draft?

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Speaker 5: Well, my process is to really start with the quarterbacks

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Speaker 5: and watch as much as possible, so that didn't take long.

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Speaker 5: Hey uh yeah, but also, you know, getting through the

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Speaker 5: obvious first rounders.

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Speaker 4: For me, as soon as the Super Bowl ends is

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Speaker 4: when I begin.

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Speaker 5: I'm not really tapped into college football during the regular season,

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Speaker 5: so it's kind of like cramming for an exam.

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Speaker 2: Yes, with your big brain Ivy education. How about running backs,

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Speaker 2: it's the renaissance your you know, your favorite childhood team

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Speaker 2: won a Super Bowl based on a power running game.

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Speaker 5: I actually just talked about the Chargers and a running back.

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Speaker 5: We just clicked something in my mind. Dylan Samson Tennis

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Speaker 5: gap scheme back, I think the best. I mean Genet's

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Speaker 5: are we one and he's any scheme, but I think

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Speaker 5: this is what I said on my show, Greg Roman

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Speaker 5: will have to be physically restrained not to take this

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Speaker 5: guy once he watches it, because he's just a perfect

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Speaker 5: fit for his type of rushing attack.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, bring back JK because that's kind of what we've

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Speaker 2: been talking about, right is what's the just what does

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Speaker 2: that room look like? Is it bring back JK and

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Speaker 2: then take a Samson or a Scataboo or somebody like that,

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Speaker 2: or is it Hey, Omari and Hampton's here at twenty

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Speaker 2: two and this is a number one back and just

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Speaker 2: a mean bruiser of it.

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Speaker 5: Dude, he's great, But I feel like first round, there's

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Speaker 5: a lot of other needs for LA that I would

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Speaker 5: probably I'm maybe not, but that oh no, you're right,

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Speaker 5: depends on course, Yeah, we were chatting about it.

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Speaker 4: If you think obviously depends how things shake out.

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Speaker 5: Iol I think is something that has to be prioritized

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Speaker 5: either because charge obviously have a lot of money, so

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Speaker 5: free agency could be another area where I would look

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Speaker 5: to address that, and then you know, another wide receiver

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Speaker 5: and then defensively, obviously this is tough decisions to be

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Speaker 5: made with the vets, but you probably want to go

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Speaker 5: edge there, and there's some really fun edges in this class.

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Speaker 1: Well that's the thing. A year ago, edge was so

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Speaker 1: solidified because yeah, Tully and Budd who are still there,

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Speaker 1: but Joey and Khalil, you knew we're coming back. Major

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Speaker 1: questions with both of them. Now, with Khalil being unrestricted

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Speaker 1: and Joey, how would you attack even in free agency?

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Speaker 1: I don't usually really good edges don't get to free agency,

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Speaker 1: But how would you evaluate the current situation that Chargers

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Speaker 1: are in Knowing that Joey has a thirty six million

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Speaker 5: I think a lot of that depends on what those

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Speaker 5: guys do, what they're prioritizing in terms of pay and

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Speaker 5: wanting to hit the market. Because you know, if I'm LA,

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Speaker 5: that's probably not a position where I'm allocating a ton

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Speaker 5: I mean, one of the great things about Jesse Mentor,

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Speaker 5: at maximizing talent and getting guy I mean dramatically outperformed

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Speaker 4: Of it was coaching.

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Speaker 5: So I think as a team, you look at that

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Speaker 1: I guess that's so how would you evaluate it?

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Speaker 2: Mean, so, you know, you've got all of these players

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Speaker 2: that not necessarily career years, but I'll perform what the

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Speaker 2: market said they were worth. Does that say probably do

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Speaker 2: players for what you're doing in you ident Like, that's

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Speaker 2: what I'm trying to figure out.

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Speaker 1: How they balanced it?

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Speaker 2: If it's poon Afford and tier Tart, Like, do you

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Speaker 2: there's a reason why everybody did well, because so how

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Speaker 2: like what would your takeaway be?

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Speaker 1: Which one?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I think you let them kind of feel out

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Speaker 5: I'm day one, Pooniford I was like his biggest fan

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: But you know an undrafted with the Sea. Actually, there's

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Speaker 5: of punaford anias peebles his name. He's built like a

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Speaker 5: it on a case by case basis. I just feel like,

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Speaker 5: I go back to that offensive line as being one

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Speaker 4: With coaching, the.

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Speaker 1: Division's fascinating now you had pe cald to the mix.

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Speaker 1: Chiefs are the Chiefs even though there may be some cracks,

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Speaker 1: Knowing that Chargers have they have a ton ton of

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Speaker 5: Shoot, I love to see them push up that Trey

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Speaker 4: In bringing them back. But make it, make them pay

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Speaker 4: for it. If I'm in LA, you have so much

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Speaker 5: But yeah, like, look, look, the Chargers were very much

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Speaker 1: Like it was.

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Speaker 5: Obviously not a rebuilding team when you have the quarterback

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Speaker 5: you win. But I think they want more than any expected. Again,

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Speaker 5: I really think the defense is what really outperformed my expectations.

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Speaker 5: And so when you do that, when you're kind of

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Speaker 2: You mentioned the You've said it multiple times now, just

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Speaker 2: the interior offensive line. No, hey, it's it was a huge.

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Speaker 2: It was probably the one takeaway, the biggest takeaway from

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Speaker 2: what George said yesterday, it's that Zion. They may try

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Speaker 2: you know, to kind of read into that. Do you

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Speaker 2: think that's them acknowledging like, hey, yeah, we might need

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Speaker 2: two guards not just one guard, And is this the better?

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to figure out, because, like you said,

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Speaker 2: you have it available in free agency, you have it

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Speaker 2: kind of what's yeah, what do you think that means?

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Speaker 2: And how how would you how do you react?

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Speaker 5: I Meank, that's a fascinating comment. First, I'll say the

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Speaker 5: this is his run first team with a great offensive line.

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Speaker 4: I was like, I don't know.

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Speaker 5: If you guys watching the charters, Because to their credit,

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Speaker 5: guess Ortiz talked about potentially Zion moving a center. That

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Speaker 5: would they get a center? It's not the draft is

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Speaker 5: there's a lot of guards, not a lot of centers.

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Speaker 5: And free agency there aren't that many options either. I

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Speaker 5: guess Doman.

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Speaker 4: Kelly is another one.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's going to be a mix of

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Speaker 5: in free agency. But if I'm them, I throw a

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Speaker 5: way that they want to. Let's they fixed that interior

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Speaker 1: You mentioned too. The back half of the year, Justin

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Speaker 1: for elevating everyone around him. This offseason, we think that

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Speaker 1: somebody to throw the ball to outside of Lad McConkey. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: we talk about Will Disley. Will Disley had a career

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Speaker 1: you're catching the football with with Justin Herbert as his quarterback.

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Speaker 1: What avenues do you think that they should explore to

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Speaker 1: maybe find that perfect compliment to lad.

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Speaker 5: I now that it looks like the T Higgins sweepsakes

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Speaker 5: ain't happen, I have been linking them with Devonte Adams

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Speaker 5: on all of our shows. I mean when like, honestly

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Speaker 5: like it's soon a super id and we started looking

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Speaker 4: You know, I still think he plays at a really

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Speaker 2: we determine a Mark Andrews DeVante Adams like your guys

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Speaker 4: Totally?

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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think it's that close? Like when

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Speaker 5: I think that if they're able to address the interior

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Speaker 5: It's not like you're going your mortgaging your future to

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Speaker 1: One waiting twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, honestly, at most maybe I don't know. I'd have

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Speaker 5: Right there, So you probably want to add some rookies

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Speaker 4: Did not play well in the playoffs.

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Speaker 5: But iolla keep going back to the reason why I

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Speaker 5: To be honest, the play was not even just be honest,

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Speaker 2: Last thing rule changes that are kind of getting kicked around.

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Speaker 1: You know, if it gets outlawed, you can think Frankie Louv.

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Speaker 1: That was funny.

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Speaker 5: I don't think I've everything that I forgot. Who was

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Speaker 1: Or we're gonna let him score the car around exactly.

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, we appreciate we know you're busy man,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Comina. I very please to bring in a friend

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Speaker 1: of the program, Dave Brugler, author of The Beast, which

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Speaker 1: is coming out early April. Something we always look forward to,

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Speaker 1: always look forward to having you here, man. How are

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Speaker 6: I'm well, this is such an important week too. There's

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Speaker 6: The interview start here, which is fun. You know, you

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Speaker 6: you know, the little context points to understand, you know,

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Speaker 2: So Chris mentions the beast and that you know, when

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Speaker 2: you hear the word the beast, you know it's gonna

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Speaker 2: is why I'm gonna make you work here, because we

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Speaker 2: can't bring everybody on and have you get into seventh round.

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Speaker 2: Potential of centers, guards, running backs. So let's say because

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Speaker 2: they can't do what you do, they don't author the beast,

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Speaker 2: they don't know what you know, Dane, So let's start there.

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Speaker 2: It's been called, you know, last year's center class was celebrated.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a tough center group.

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Speaker 6: And that's why seeing Gray's abel and North to go

438
00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:47,879
Speaker 6: to State performed like he did Senior Bowl is so

439
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,560
Speaker 6: important because teams, even like in October, teams are saying

440
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 6: he might be the best center in the class. He

441
00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,000
Speaker 6: played center in high school, so it's not completely foreign

442
00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:56,879
Speaker 6: for him, but then to see him do it a

443
00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:58,440
Speaker 6: Senior Bowl is so huge, just like, all right, we've

444
00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,200
Speaker 6: got a center. Jared Wilson, the Georgia Center coming out

445
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,080
Speaker 6: early was big. Unfortunately he had to pull out of

446
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 6: the Senior Bowl because of a foot issue, but supposed

447
00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 6: to be good to go this week. So this will

448
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 6: be a big week for Jared Wilson. One year starter,

449
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 6: so you know, there's maybe some gaps to fill in

450
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,880
Speaker 6: with him just you know, he looks like a good athlete,

451
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,560
Speaker 6: but he's going to confirm it here because that's what

452
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 6: the combine is. It's a one big cross checking exercise.

453
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 6: Make sure that what we see on film is backed

454
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 6: up in the data. And you know, the interviews, medicals

455
00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 6: as well obviously, but overall it's just not it's a

456
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 6: hard center class to get super excited. I'm a fan

457
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 6: of Jackson Slater SACRAMLNTA State. You know, Here's there's a

458
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,880
Speaker 6: lot to like about him as a center guard, interchangeable,

459
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 6: versatile player that probably don't have to get him into

460
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 6: the fourth round maybe earlier, just because it is a

461
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,239
Speaker 6: light center class and teams will be desperate to get

462
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 6: their guy. But you know, there's teams are going to

463
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,000
Speaker 6: be looking under every rock to find, you know, more

464
00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,160
Speaker 6: centers in this group because it's not a very deep,

465
00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:02,080
Speaker 6: deep class. Great you mentioned him and just you know,

466
00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,159
Speaker 6: you look at the chargers Alt Slater taken care of

467
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 6: the interior offensive line. Going beyond just center.

468
00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,440
Speaker 1: What about guard in the first couple of rounds and

469
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Speaker 1: are there a few guys that you think would be

470
00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,680
Speaker 1: a nice fit in Los Angeles?

471
00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:19,440
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that, uh, you know, with this

472
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 6: interior class center not great guard better it is I

473
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,280
Speaker 6: think a good guard class both early and then late.

474
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 6: I think it stretches a little bit, you know. I

475
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 6: think that there's some tackles that maybe you see, hey

476
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,639
Speaker 6: he's a good tackle, but I think you move inside

477
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 6: to guard. I think you might have something, especially we're

478
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:45,360
Speaker 6: talking Michigan ties. Miles Hinton played tackle at Michigan. Maybe

479
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 6: movement inside to guard. I think that's a fit. When

480
00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,679
Speaker 6: you're talking about outside the top one hundred picks, it's

481
00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:53,080
Speaker 6: a deep group. So yeah, I think if you need

482
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,320
Speaker 6: guard help, if you're looking for interior offensive line helps,

483
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 6: center might be tough, but guard is gonna be much better.

484
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 6: And it's not just the top guys. I know everyone

485
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,040
Speaker 6: wants to move armand Membu from.

486
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:04,720
Speaker 7: Tackle to guard.

487
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 6: I think you'd be a really good guard, but tape

488
00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 6: sitsing play tackle, but I think you'd be a really

489
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 6: good guard as well. So if you go that direction

490
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,320
Speaker 6: in the first round, you kind of cross your fingers

491
00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 6: at Memboo last to you. But it's a deep enough

492
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:17,520
Speaker 6: class where I don't think you have to go that

493
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 6: direction early. You could wait till round three, round four

494
00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:22,920
Speaker 6: and still pretty good about the options that'll be there.

495
00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting to see a lot of

496
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,359
Speaker 2: it's going to be predicated on the next four weeks

497
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 2: kind of what the Chargers do. Do they bring back

498
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 2: cloth side, do they re sign Khalil Mack, What about

499
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 2: the edge group. It seems like there's potential for some

500
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 2: of these guys to slide a little bit, whether you

501
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,480
Speaker 2: know it's immaturity questions things like that versus like Jahad

502
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 2: Campbell's a good icy and edge is the lineback they're like,

503
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 2: you know, it feels like it could be that they

504
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 2: could line up where the Chargers might be staring at

505
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: a guy that might not be there in other drafts

506
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,480
Speaker 2: when it comes to a premium position like edge. Is

507
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 2: that kind of how you see it?

508
00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's an interesting edge group because of like we

509
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 6: don't have a true Miles Garrett, but Abdul Carter is

510
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 6: going to be one of the top three pick in

511
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 6: the draft. And then after that it's okay, Like you

512
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:07,080
Speaker 6: were saying with Campbell, Jalen Walker, what is he at Georgia?

513
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 6: You know, he's so gifted, he's long, but he's an

514
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 6: off ball player at Georgia. But they let him rush.

515
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,360
Speaker 6: That was the best thing that he did. So how

516
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 6: do teams This is a big week for him just

517
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 6: to see how he moves out there. He's supposed to

518
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 6: work out with the linebackers, but just to see how

519
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 6: he moves in space, you know, get his exact testing numbers.

520
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 6: But Jalen Walker, to me is a guy that could

521
00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,840
Speaker 6: end up being a steal just at edge rusher Shamar

522
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 6: Stewart from A and M is talking about other guy's

523
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 6: gonna build some buzz here. Two or eighty pound shouldn't

524
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 6: move like that. It's impressive. He had a really good

525
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 6: week at the Senior Bowl, and I think teams are

526
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,000
Speaker 6: gonna or fans maybe get obsessed with he had one

527
00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 6: and a half sacks this year, right, But okay, did

528
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 6: he affect the quarterback and he did consistently. He might

529
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 6: have only had one half sacks, but he led the

530
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 6: team in pressures, so he was getting to the quarterback,

531
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 6: getting to the pocket, and really affecting how they do things.

532
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 6: And you know, he's still just a young players twenty

533
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 6: one years old learning how to use all of these gifts,

534
00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 6: and so that tells me he's not gonna make it

535
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,639
Speaker 6: to where the Chargers are picking. But if you were

536
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 6: to be there, I think that would be a good pick.

537
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 6: But this is an edge of group that I love.

538
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 6: The depth in the top one hundred picks. You know,

539
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 6: if I can get a J. T. Tumola from Ohio

540
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 6: State in round two. I'm feeling great about that if

541
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 6: I'm the Chargers, a guy that nothing about his tape

542
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 6: says great, but everything says good, you know, And so

543
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 6: you know, if you want him to play the run,

544
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 6: he can do that. He's might not be that explosive

545
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 6: bend the edge rusher, but he can break down blockers

546
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 6: with his hands. Smart player. So yeah, I think this

547
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 6: draft it's not just going to be about the first

548
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,959
Speaker 6: round guys. It'll be second round, two, round three, plenty

549
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 6: of variety if they go in that direction.

550
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: You know, Dan, I wouldn't be shocked in the least

551
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: if the Chargers address running back in this draft, and

552
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: if they do it early. It seems to be a

553
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 1: ton of dudes, Jens obviously the consensus number one. What

554
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: is the gap after you get past maybe Hampton, like

555
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: the pair of Ohio State running backs? Where do you

556
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,960
Speaker 1: or how do you value the running back position? Maybe

557
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: beyond the top two guys.

558
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I'd even throw Caleb Johnson in there as

559
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,360
Speaker 6: on that similar tiers as Hampton. I mean, I think

560
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,200
Speaker 6: he is outstanding. You're right about the running by class.

561
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 6: It'd be shocked if they don't draft a running back

562
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 6: at some point right. Just I think I graded thirty

563
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 6: two as having draftable grades and not first round grades.

564
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 6: I mean just genty and then not Hampton. Hampton's right there.

565
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,680
Speaker 6: Hampton and Caleb Johnson are kind of right there. As

566
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 6: you know, I only have like thirteen first round grades

567
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 6: this year, like they're just not many. But yeah, Caleb Johnson,

568
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,919
Speaker 6: I'm maryon Hampton right there looking to break in. I'll

569
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 6: both could go in the first round. It wouldn't be

570
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 6: a shock at all. Treygaan Henderson from Ohio s Day.

571
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 6: And then the guy that doesn't get talked nearly enough

572
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 6: about is Jordan James at Oregon. This guy he's not

573
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 6: going to hit a bunch of home runs, but he'll

574
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 6: lead the league at doubles. I mean he had I

575
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,159
Speaker 6: think his thirty six point five percent of his carries

576
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 6: this year resulted in a first down or touchdown. I

577
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 6: mean just when he gets the ball, he might not

578
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 6: take it sixty yards, that'll take it six consistently.

579
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 7: And so you can win with guys like that. But

580
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 7: it's a deep running back group.

581
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,479
Speaker 1: But it just saw Scatterable on the TV here too.

582
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: And that's another guy that people I think people are

583
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: excited about.

584
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 6: I'm eager to see how he tests because he looks

585
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 6: like he might be a four to six guy or

586
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 6: a four to five eight guy. But that's not what

587
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,080
Speaker 6: you love about. It's not the speed necessarily, it's the versatility.

588
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 6: It's just how tough he is as a runner. Like

589
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,120
Speaker 6: good luck, No one wants to tackle that guy twenty

590
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 6: five times a game. So even in the NFL, like

591
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 6: you're a safety in the open field and you see

592
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 6: this guy coming at you with that you know, low

593
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 6: pad level and just the legs don't stop churning. That

594
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 6: wears you down. And so the way that he catches

595
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,439
Speaker 6: the bar of the backfield I think will help him

596
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: and it'll show this week. But you know, just interested

597
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 6: to see the testing and how that tests up. Quinch

598
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 6: on Judkins in that mix too. I mean, we could talk,

599
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:00,879
Speaker 6: you know, the whole time about about running backs. It's

600
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 6: such a deep group that I think you're gonna be

601
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:06,959
Speaker 6: tempted to take one in the first round because those

602
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 6: guys are legit talents. But if you have maybe maybe

603
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 6: you have the same grade on the running back as

604
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 6: you do you know, an edge rusher or a different position,

605
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 6: you probably go that other position, because again, you feel

606
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 6: good waiting to surrounds two round three to get the

607
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 6: running back.

608
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: So let's do it.

609
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: That's you know, let's just stick with running back because

610
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,879
Speaker 2: it's it's funny you mentioned Caleb and just kind of

611
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: the way that people may pack at these things, Like

612
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 2: to me, it felt like Henderson is that next. It

613
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 2: might because we have some scar tissue from the Tampa

614
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: game and Bucky Irving and it's just there's such a

615
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 2: similarity there, and there's kind of that Jamier Gibbs sort

616
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 2: of similarity just for a team that's built in the

617
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: Jim Harbought image and the idea that like when you

618
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 2: talk about Skataboo, that's that's hard. It's like, hey man,

619
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: we're gonna tread water and then the fourth courter, we're

620
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: gonna pull you under. That's that reeks of Skataboo. But

621
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 2: then you see the explosiveness of Samson or or two

622
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: or just kind of when you think of how this

623
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,920
Speaker 2: team is built, it's just assume they're able to bring

624
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: JK back. Just kind of which of these backs do

625
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: you think fits gap power Harbaugh? Like, of all of them,

626
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 2: kind of which one do you think is you can

627
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: draw maybe the most straight line.

628
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 6: I mean, just thinking about Harbaugh having an all Ohio

629
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 6: State backfield just sounds fun.

630
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: That would be cool.

631
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 6: But I mean, if we're talking best fits, I mean

632
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 6: Omrian Hampton, I mean that just you talked about the

633
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 6: gap principles.

634
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 7: You talk about.

635
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 6: He led the acc in rushing in twenty twenty three,

636
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 6: which is impressive. It was even more impressive what he

637
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 6: did this year with no Drake May. Everyone's loading the box.

638
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 6: You know what's happened with North Carolina's offense wants to do.

639
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 6: He's still running for fourteen hundred yards. So you know,

640
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 6: it's not just the speed, it's not just the power,

641
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 6: it's the total package with him, you know. I Marion Hampton,

642
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:54,520
Speaker 6: I think is going to be one of those guys

643
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 6: you look at and say, can we really pass on

644
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 6: him at this point because he's a perfect fit and

645
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 6: the way he will transform your offense from day one

646
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 6: that that can't be understated. Uh, just what he does

647
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 6: for your quarterback, what he does for the rest of

648
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 6: the offense. So but yeah, I mean, you make you

649
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 6: bring up you know, Dylan Samson, you bring up Trayvon Henderson.

650
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 6: He's like I'm an Ohio guy, so I've seen a

651
00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 6: lot of Travon Henderson the last four years, and I

652
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 6: worry a little bit about his on the inside, his

653
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 6: interior vision just kind of picking through the anticipation and everything.

654
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 6: But you get him a track, you get him on

655
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 6: the outside where he has a lane, good luck because

656
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 6: he can make guys miss and then once he gets

657
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 6: that that angle, the acceleration just takes off. So he

658
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 6: is like he can be lightning in a bottle. I

659
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 6: just I don't the big difference between him and a

660
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 6: Gibbs is Gibbs is so good at the offensive line

661
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 6: geometry where he understands the angles, he reads it. He's

662
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,960
Speaker 6: an offensive lineman's best friend. He's so true to the

663
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 6: blocking design, where Henderson isn't as quite as sure of

664
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 6: himself in terms of his reads and when everything is

665
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 6: congested in the middle, but you give them a little

666
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 6: bit of space, he's gonna exploit it, you know.

667
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Dan, I go back to last year and we were

668
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: just talking to DJ about lab mcclauchy, for instance, and

669
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 1: how he would probably be a top fifteen pick this

670
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: year if he was in this year's with draft class.

671
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: Joe Alt a guy who the Chargers got at five.

672
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: When you look at what Joe Ortiz and company did

673
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: to get cam Hart and tar Heep still in the

674
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: fifth round starting caliber corners, how did you see those

675
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 1: guys last year? And I know it's completely new information

676
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 1: this year, but if you can recall just what you

677
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: thought of some of the guys that the Chargers hit

678
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 1: on this past.

679
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 6: Year, Yeah, it's interesting. How you know, I think the

680
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 6: Chargers are the example of drafting. You know, we did

681
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 6: this with the Bengals a couple of years ago with oh,

682
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 6: did they took Penney Suo? Did they take Chase Jamar

683
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 6: Chase with that number five pick that year? In that

684
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,959
Speaker 6: draft they went with the receiver, And I think it's

685
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 6: worked out just fine. The Chargers went the opposite way

686
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 6: where they went the offensive tackle and it worked out

687
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 6: just fine. Part of it, I think they got a

688
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 6: little bit lucky because Mconuku made it to them, and

689
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 6: you know, they moved up a little bit. But you know,

690
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 6: I was shocked mconcu made it to the second round.

691
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 6: I mean, I think people kind of over you know,

692
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 6: they looked at the size and said is he a

693
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 6: slot only?

694
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,320
Speaker 7: And you know, I think he's best.

695
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 6: There's a difference between being slot only and then best

696
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 6: in the slot, Like, yeah, he does a lot of

697
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 6: his damage in the slot, but he's not a slot

698
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 6: only player, and the Chargers able to really benefit from that.

699
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 6: So yeah, home runs were the first two picks. And

700
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 6: then the way tar heeb Is still played. I the

701
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 6: lasting memory for me, but still from his tape of

702
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 6: Maryland was just competitiveness, the way he competes plays. When

703
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 6: you're a corner, you have to be confident in what

704
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 6: you're reading and then so you can drive and make plays.

705
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 6: And he that's exactly what he was on his college tape,

706
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 6: where he would anticipate it, see it, and then drive

707
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 6: on it to make a play. And that's trans You

708
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 6: never know how that's going to translate for corners because

709
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 6: when you're playing against NFL speed, everything's different. You're scared

710
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 6: to make a mistake, so maybe corners don't always make

711
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 6: those jumps. Still, I think was able to do that

712
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 6: where even though it wasn't perfect all the time, he

713
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 6: had some rookie moments, but he bounced back the next

714
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 6: play and had that short memory and so yeah, the

715
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 6: total steal for the Chargers in the fifth round, the you.

716
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: Know, the McConkey ridiculous, the production and like you said,

717
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: the fact that we had DJ earlier and he was

718
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: mentioned in his top fifteen pick, not like you know,

719
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: like that guy's going top fifteen just based on Georgia tape,

720
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: not from you know, hindsight being Turner twenty. So that

721
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 2: brings me to t ma AC and how this is

722
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 2: a thin wide receiver group and there are people I

723
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: don't know why it's happening if you've noticed it, but

724
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 2: it feels like people are starting to project him to

725
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: slide a little bit. Is he a true ax? And

726
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: if you look at the way this thing could shake out,

727
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 2: can you imagine him sliding into the teams into that

728
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 2: sort of area based on sort of the talent you

729
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: have on the lines and how those tend to go first.

730
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I think that's we could see it happening.

731
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 6: It was a two years ago when the first receiver

732
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 6: drafted was Jackson Smith and Jigbu and that was like

733
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 6: pick twenty. So could we see another example of that

734
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 6: this year? It's possible. McMillan's interesting because he's he's we'll

735
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 6: see what he runs here, right, you know, but a

736
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 6: lot of people are wonderund it can be over under

737
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 6: you know, four four nine. You know, I he's very

738
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 6: similar to a T. Higgins where he's this law he's

739
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 6: but he's more limber, he's more of a he's like

740
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 6: a gumbeish version of a T. Higgins where the strength

741
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 6: of his game isn't necessarily separation. It's how he wins

742
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 6: at the catch point. And that's always kind of a

743
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 6: risky proposition because how many of those guys are there

744
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 6: really at the NFL level where you know they just

745
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 6: they win the catch point. A lot of those guys

746
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 6: don't pan out right. So if you find so, I

747
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 6: think a lot of teams look at it that way.

748
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: But you know he is.

749
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 6: The way he can win the catchpoint is impressive me.

750
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 6: And he's faster than T Higgins. T Higgins ran up

751
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 6: four to five to nine the year he was coming out.

752
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:57,240
Speaker 6: And so it's not it's not that he wins with speed,

753
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 6: it's he wins down the field making these ridiculous catches

754
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 6: all over. The catch radius is outstanding. Nobody has more

755
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 6: catches at twenty plus yards the last two years than McMillan.

756
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 6: So he has done it at a high level. You know,

757
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 6: he's just he's a fun player. So I think if

758
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,760
Speaker 6: you're and we have to remember too, like it's almost

759
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 6: like offensive line where you know, we can say offensive line,

760
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 6: but there's tackles, there's scards are sent when you can

761
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 6: say receivers.

762
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: But there's different types of receivers.

763
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 6: You know, teams might be looking for that true X,

764
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 6: where another team might be looking for, uh, maybe they

765
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 6: want the Z. They want more of a flank, or

766
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 6: they want a guy that's gonna stretch out the field,

767
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 6: and so these receivers offer different things. If a team

768
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 6: is looking for a ball winner that can fill that

769
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 6: kind of X roll, Team MAC is going to be

770
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 6: I think pretty appealing there in the mid first round.

771
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 2: So really, then if you can build on that, because

772
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 2: like you said, because it's look, you've got got lad, Yeah,

773
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: you've got you know, it's clear I think that Q

774
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 2: is not an X, He's he's a Z. And if

775
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 2: you can so if you're not gonna get Team AC

776
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: in the first round, just kind of share with us,

777
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: maybe are there intriguing options. It's hard to find receivers

778
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 2: kind of late, it feels like, so are especially this draft, Yeah,

779
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 2: this draft, and especially at the acts, it's like it's

780
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 2: the one like it's it rarely happens. Is there is

781
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,919
Speaker 2: there an ax that for what an injury low level

782
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 2: competition that you like in this draft that would be

783
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: later see.

784
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 6: And it's funny because in most years, receivers just so loaded,

785
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 6: there's so many of these guys. This year it's kind

786
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 6: of the opposite. And the biggest reason is I think

787
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 6: we only had six underclassmen come out. Usually receivers loaded

788
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 6: with juniors that come out early. This year, it's just

789
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 6: not for whatever reason. So honestly, like I it is

790
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 6: tough for me to come up with a guy that

791
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 6: would say this is an X and hey, there's a

792
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 6: path to him starting and no, yeah, you can get

793
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 6: him in the third round. Like, there's just not many

794
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 6: of those guys this year, which which makes it tough

795
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 6: if if that you go into the draft with that

796
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 6: singular focus of finding that guy.

797
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: It's why it seems like a lot of people are

798
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: trying to connect the dots to the Cole said Lovelin

799
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,959
Speaker 1: to the Chargers, mischikin guy someone with a little juice,

800
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: sit tight end and no listen, we saw will Disley

801
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: this year, who's not really a pass catching tight end.

802
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: They almost forced him into being a pass catching tight end.

803
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: If Lovelin is even there, how would you describe his

804
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: game to a Chargers fan who maybe is not as familiar.

805
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's he's more of the Dalton Kincaid brought Bauers

806
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 6: type than a traditional inline guy you know, coming out

807
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 6: of Idaho, right, I mean he's a guy that was

808
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 6: off the radar as a recruit. Then he shows with

809
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 6: the Michigan and you know he's leading the team and receiving.

810
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 6: I mean he had the most receiving yards in a

811
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 6: National Championship game when Michigan won at all. So, Colston

812
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:42,240
Speaker 6: Lovelin's a guy that speed and just the he's almost

813
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 6: a receiver, you know, because they used him like that

814
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 6: at Michigan, where he yeah he would be in the

815
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 6: wing sometimes, but most of the time he's in the slot.

816
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 6: Most of the times he's out wide making plays down

817
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 6: the field. So you can almost look at him as

818
00:36:54,520 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 6: a big receiver and use him that way. So I

819
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 6: wouldn't be surprised at all if the Chargers went if

820
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 6: they went in that direction, maybe just change the identity

821
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 6: of how you use a talent like that. We saw

822
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 6: a brockbow He's not brock Bowers, but he's at least

823
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 6: brock Bowers ish enough where you can say, all right,

824
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 6: like if we really commit to moving him around the

825
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 6: offense and finding those mismatches, he could be a true weapon.

826
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 6: They can weaponize a Colson Loveland, you know, he's I

827
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 6: think the question is fair about will he be there

828
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 6: or not? You know, Tyler Warren, will he be the

829
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: first tight end draft? I don't think there's a debate

830
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 6: about tight end one because it's not a debate, it's

831
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 6: a preference. You know that Tyler Warren and Colson Loveland

832
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 6: are different enough where either you know you want this

833
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 6: type of tight end, you want this type. You know

834
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 6: they're different. It's not necessarily this one's clearly better. Loveland's

835
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 6: got the more upside. Tyler Warren's ready to step in

836
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 6: tomorrow and you know, be more of a traditional tight

837
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 6: end for you. So, yeah, this is and it's a

838
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 6: deep tight end class. You know, after those two guys,

839
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 6: like I gave out six starter grades. You know, love

840
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 6: Elijah Royo in the second round, Mason Taylor is awesome.

841
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 6: Gunner Helm from Texas I think is going to be

842
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 6: a mismatch weapon in the NFL and just doesn't get

843
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 6: enough credit. And part of that is he just you know,

844
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 6: missed the Senior Bowl and but I think he should

845
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 6: test well here and he he belongs in the top

846
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 6: sixty five picks.

847
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: The you know you mentioned it's funny because some people

848
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 2: say it's deep. Others they're not crazy about it because

849
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: of like Mason Taylor is he's a receiver, right, but

850
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 2: he's just he's a giant guy and he's incredibly athletic.

851
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: So what about like, you know what the Chargers do?

852
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 2: You know what they expect from their tight end right now?

853
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 2: You know they they could have really used a receiving

854
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 2: tight end last year. So based on that list of

855
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's Fannin or Helm or a Royal

856
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 2: or Tatel, like, is there another one beyond Loveland or

857
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 2: Warren that you could see fitting what they expect from

858
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: a tight end? And that's you're going to have to

859
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 2: be able to block.

860
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 6: Most of those guys that we just talked about, they're

861
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 6: they're you're drafted at least good enough. Yeah, you're drafting

862
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 6: them for what they do catching the football, right, But

863
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: like I think, like Gunner Helm for example, like tight

864
00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 6: end is the second hardest position to learn and starks

865
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 6: Off just all the motions and all the different things

866
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 6: they ask from their tight ends. So I think how

867
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 6: smart he is and then how tough he is. His

868
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 6: blocking got better and better. It's still not why you're

869
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 6: drafting him, but I think he did enough as a

870
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 6: blocker where on the move or you know, lining up

871
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 6: in line, he.

872
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: Can do it enough.

873
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 6: I mean Mason Taylor, Yeah, another guy that again, yeah

874
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 6: you're drafting him because he's a he's a receiver, but

875
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 6: they especially as a stock blocker outside that's kind of

876
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 6: what he did best. Like, he does a really nice

877
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 6: job on some of those receiver screens, and you know

878
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 6: he can get busy as a blocker, and he has

879
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:33,959
Speaker 6: the body. He's twenty years old, you know, he doesn't

880
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 6: turn twenty one until after the draft. So these guys

881
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 6: are and I don't it's debatable about how much plug

882
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 6: and play they are, you know, because they need more

883
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 6: development physically and then just you know, tight ends usually

884
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 6: unless you're Brock Bauers, is a tough position to play

885
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 6: as a rookie just because everything's asked for you. I

886
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 6: think Mason Taylor and Gunner Helm. Both those guys stand

887
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,800
Speaker 6: out because they're smart and they're just useful. They find

888
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 6: ways to they're going to help your offense. And I

889
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 6: don't think a team's gonna regret drafting either of those

890
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 6: two guys.

891
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 2: I didn't realize how long we kept him. Sorry about that, dud.

892
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: Did we blie you through your next interview on accident? There?

893
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 7: No, I got ten minutes, so we're full.

894
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: Good? All right, Well good, then let's go to the Uh,

895
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: let's go to Michigan. I'll give you another hour.

896
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because look, it's a deep defensive tackle class. Yes,

897
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: and it's funny you mentioned gunner Helm. So I'm gon

898
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: this is gonna be kind of like a two part thing.

899
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: Just again we have you here, So we were gonna

900
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 2: pick the brain of the expert because I barely know

901
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 2: what I'm watching. So I'm watching the Michigan Texas game. Yeah,

902
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: and I kind of I'm watching Kenneth Grant, So this

903
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 2: is a two parter. One seems like a complete freak. Yeah,

904
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: I'm seeing they kick him outside at edge. He's three

905
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: hundred and forty pounds and he's rushing off the edge

906
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 2: on some of these obvious third downs.

907
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 1: That's crazy.

908
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: But then I also and you know how this goes,

909
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: like like, hey, I think the Texas center's pretty good.

910
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 2: This guy Jake Matrix is kind of like holding his

911
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: own against Mason Graham and he'll be here Kenneth Grant,

912
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 2: So give me both sides of that. Is is that

913
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 2: a potential you know, because I've seen him, you know,

914
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 2: kind of like six round grade fit for majors, Like

915
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: what's what's wrong with majors? Because that's the only I

916
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 2: saw of him and I thought he played it. And

917
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: then what about Kenneth Grant, this freakish player, and whether

918
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 2: or not he has a chance to last till twenty two?

919
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think, I mean late rounds, I think is

920
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 6: fair for majors. You know, he'll he'll be on the

921
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 6: ground more than you want, you know, but he is

922
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 6: a solid player and he held up well this year

923
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 6: for Texas. I Grant's He's gonna craz some buzz this

924
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 6: week as long as he tests, because he is. He

925
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 6: looks like a nose tackle, right, you know, he has

926
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 6: and he plays like all he'll two gaping techniques. He's

927
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 6: a boulder in the middle of that defensive line. But

928
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 6: he's got the quickness of a three technique where he

929
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 6: can really shoot gaps. He's not a Polish pass rusher

930
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 6: if he doesn't win with that first step. He's still

931
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 6: figuring out, all right, what's my counter?

932
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: What's how do I do?

933
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 6: You know, he's still figuring that part out. But he

934
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 6: just don't see many three hundred and forty pound guys

935
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 6: that can move like he can move. And it's a

936
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 6: big man league, and so it'll be interesting to see

937
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 6: where he is ultimately drafted. If it's top twenty, top

938
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,040
Speaker 6: twenty five. You know, I just I have I think

939
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 6: there's enough team that you need an interchangeable defensive tackle.

940
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:05,399
Speaker 6: Where you want to line him up on the nose,

941
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 6: he can do that. If you want to line him

942
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 6: up in the B gap, he can do that. He

943
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 6: can do all these different things. And oh yeah, he's

944
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 6: just gonna get better and better because he's still a

945
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 6: young player figuring things out. The traits really stand out

946
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 6: with him. So yeah, Kenneth Grant, I'll be surprised if

947
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:19,839
Speaker 6: he doesn't create some buzz here in Indy.

948
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: If you had, sorry, Chris, if you had Grant and Nolan.

949
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: And let's just say you feel like you feel you

950
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with Nolan, you sat with them, you're good

951
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,040
Speaker 2: with where where that whole part is if you had

952
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: both those I know they're totally different style players, but

953
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: how would you grade those two out?

954
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 7: I mean, Nolan, I think at his peak, at his best,

955
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 7: he's a disruptor.

956
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 6: You know, he can win in different ways, and so

957
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 6: I think that creating that interior disruption with a guy

958
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 6: with that quickness, I would go Nolan as being, you know,

959
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 6: the better prospect. You know, kind of like you alluded to,

960
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 6: There's things you need to figure out with him. Just

961
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 6: make sure you're comfortable that he's going to reach his

962
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 6: ceiling as an NFL player. Grant's a little bit more

963
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 6: projection in terms of a skill set and making sure

964
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 6: that he taps into all the different ways because he

965
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,840
Speaker 6: is so specially so unique, but he still has to

966
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 6: learn how to use all those gifts in unison to win.

967
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,319
Speaker 6: So I think Nolan's a little bit further along, more

968
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 6: of a realized player. So and just the disruption he

969
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,359
Speaker 6: creates is impressive. So I would give Nolan the edge

970
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 6: between those two players.

971
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:22,919
Speaker 1: Datan last one for me. You know, the Chargers pick

972
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:27,319
Speaker 1: twenty two, they have twenty six understricted free agents. Wow,

973
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: so they have a lot of work to do before

974
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 1: the draft. So I think a lot of what they

975
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: do in free agency may dictate, no doubt, what they

976
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: do in the first round. Given the depth of defensive tackle,

977
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: the fact that this quarterback class is not what it

978
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: was last year. And not holding you to this, but

979
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: as we talk right now, who do you think would

980
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: be the best player for the Chargers at twenty two

981
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: given the depth, given you know, the fact that there's

982
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: a lot of different directions that they could go to

983
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: get an impact player.

984
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,480
Speaker 7: I want to see a running backer tight in there.

985
00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 6: I do. I mean, I want to see them get

986
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 6: another explosive element to the offense. You know, we saw

987
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 6: what it looked like last year with Alad McConkey, and

988
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 6: you know, we know Justin Herbert and everything he can do.

989
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 6: Add someone else to that mix, whether it is you know,

990
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 6: Marion Hampton or one of those top two tight ends

991
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 6: between Warren and Loveland. I think any of those three players,

992
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 6: I'd throw even Caleb Johnson in the mix. Any of

993
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 6: those four players would be kind of like, all right,

994
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 6: I want to see that. I want to see what

995
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 6: that looks like. I'd be surprised. I think he can

996
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,120
Speaker 6: make it to the teams, but like I'd be shocked

997
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 6: if he got past Denver, you know. So I I

998
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 6: think it's possible he gets past Dallas at twelve and

999
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 6: then maybe we start talking about, all right, who's going

1000
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:42,919
Speaker 6: to trade up to sixteen and get him that type

1001
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 6: of thing.

1002
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: But someone compared to the Danian Thomlinson yesterday, that that's

1003
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: my confident, is it? Really?

1004
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:49,399
Speaker 7: Yeah?

1005
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 1: So there you go, and it's it's it's hard to

1006
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: do that. When I mean that's what I mean.

1007
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,399
Speaker 2: You never hear someone do that and they're like, I'm

1008
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 2: telling you, man, the offensive line's not that good, and

1009
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 2: this dude makes it happen.

1010
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 6: Well, I think the biggest reason I like the comp

1011
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 6: is what they do is receiver. That's pass catchers, right.

1012
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,399
Speaker 6: LT was so good in that respect, and that's where

1013
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 6: Gent doesn't get nearly enough love because his twenty twenty

1014
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,720
Speaker 6: three tape they used him a lot as a receiver,

1015
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 6: but this past year they didn't. He is so good

1016
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 6: catching the ball out of the backfield, and I think

1017
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 6: that's what kind of something that separates him a little bit. Yeah, man,

1018
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 6: he's not surprised. He's not gonna test. I don't like

1019
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,320
Speaker 6: his forty I don't think he's he's gonna be all that,

1020
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 6: not that it really matters. He he enters the draft

1021
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:31,919
Speaker 6: as the top running back. He's gonna be the first

1022
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 6: running back draft. I don't think he needs to necessarily

1023
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 6: have a forty yard dash to prove anything.

1024
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: What's your cup for Hampton?

1025
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 6: I don't know if I had a great one that

1026
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 6: I loved. I'm trying to think. I don't think I

1027
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 6: had one that I loved. He just he's an all

1028
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 6: around back. I mean, that's the thing you like about

1029
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 6: him is you know speed, all right, check. You know

1030
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 6: he's gonna run probably in four fours and he's gonna

1031
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 6: be two hundred twenty pounds, so you know, he gives

1032
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 6: you a physical physicality, but he also has speed that

1033
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 6: if you give him a little bit of wiggle room,

1034
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 6: he's gonna make something happen. So again, I'm emphasizing what

1035
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 6: he did this year with no passing game, still rushing

1036
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 6: for over fourteen hundred yards and being the impact player

1037
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 6: that he was. That's something that is special and so yeah,

1038
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 6: this week is only going to help him in terms

1039
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 6: of where he stands, and who knows, maybe he doesn't

1040
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 6: even make it to the charger of the first round.

1041
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: All right, last one overall, just to kind of build

1042
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 2: on what you said at twenty two, we'll wrap up

1043
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,879
Speaker 2: with this. Yeah, Cooper, let's just say I was about

1044
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 2: to say, Cooper, that's where I'm going with this. Lovelin's there,

1045
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 2: Hampton's there, Tyler Booker's there. We know this team needs

1046
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 2: in it. But because we've seen it the last two years,

1047
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: Brian Branch slides, Cooper de Jean slides, and it's like, guys,

1048
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 2: these are good freaking corners. I know you kind of

1049
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 2: have this slot only projection and they're too short or whatever.

1050
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: What about Baron and whether or not Baron ends up

1051
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 2: sliding down that board because his measurables are going to

1052
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 2: be too like your thoughts on him, and whether or

1053
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 2: not you kind of see him in that saint through

1054
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 2: that same lens as those two guys these last two drafts.

1055
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, I struggle with Baron a little bit, just because

1056
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 6: there's so much to like about his game, But you know,

1057
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: he I I'm wondering what he's gonna run and his

1058
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 6: arm is gonna be under thirty inches, you know, these

1059
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 6: these things you worry about. Like I, I don't think

1060
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 6: he's on the same level as Cooper Dejane myself, you know,

1061
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 6: like DJ and I have talked about barely. I know

1062
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 6: he loves Baron and I'm kind of on the opposite

1063
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 6: end where I see him more in like the thirties.

1064
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 6: Just if I'm gonna rank all my players. Uh, you

1065
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 6: love the versatility, how smart he is. I mean he

1066
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 6: can you can line him up outside, you can let

1067
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 6: him in the slot.

1068
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: He could do it.

1069
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,440
Speaker 6: But I think after you know, we see the forty time,

1070
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 6: you see the measurables, it's like, all right, he might

1071
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:42,879
Speaker 6: be a slot only type of player, and that there's

1072
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 6: nothing wrong with that. Slot is a nickel player is

1073
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 6: a starter in today's NFL, right, So there's certainly value

1074
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 6: in that. But I think it's more likely we see

1075
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 6: him on the board at twenty two than off the

1076
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 6: book at twenty two.

1077
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 7: That's just that.

1078
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 2: That's what's beautiful about this who thinks he's top ten.

1079
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: There's other people that you know that have him in

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00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: the thirties.

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00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, and way all it takes is one team in

1082
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 6: the top thirty two, right, And I mean it's especially

1083
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 6: this draft.

1084
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: It feels like this.

1085
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 6: Draft there's more parody than usual, especially when we get

1086
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 6: outside the top ten of just you know, we could

1087
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 6: see a team's thirtieth player go at twelve and the opposite.

1088
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 6: Like it's just there's gonna be so many split opinions

1089
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 6: on this class, which from my perspective, you know, maybe

1090
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 6: I should maybe I should hate it because I'm supposed

1091
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 6: to know, like you know, but I find it fun,

1092
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,439
Speaker 6: Like the draft night is going to be a whole

1093
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:27,960
Speaker 6: lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Good deal, Dave Brugler, you're the best mate. You subscrib

1095
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: Athletic and get the beasts, very geno beasts coming out

1096
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: early April around. That's the goal, all right, Yeah, hurts

1097
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Speaker 1: your subscription in, all right, keep it rolling. Here are

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Speaker 1: Chargers Weekly with Brett Coleman. Always good to visit with you,

1099
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Speaker 1: my man. Uh this draft. Give me your thirty thousand

1100
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: foot view. What sticks out?

1101
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 3: It's a meat and potatoes draft, you know, And I

1102
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: know that's the word that keeps getting used over and

1103
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 3: over and over again. If you want d line talent,

1104
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 3: you want offensive line talent. This is the year for

1105
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 3: you receiver. I would say it's thinner at the top,

1106
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 3: but I think there's a wide and middle so you

1107
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 3: can still find contributors at receiver. Obviously, tight ends super strong.

1108
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: You know.

1109
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks not the best year, but luckily for the Chargers,

1110
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 3: uh don't need one. So i'd say, like for the

1111
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 3: Chargers specifically, like, this is the type of draft you

1112
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 3: want because it's strong in the areas where I think

1113
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 3: they need.

1114
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 2: So we've done a lot of it's great to have you, Brett,

1115
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 2: because we've done a lot of offensive talk with a

1116
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 2: lot of people that have joined us so far. You

1117
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 2: know this thing forwards and backwards. So would love to

1118
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,880
Speaker 2: just kind of drill down on the defensive side of

1119
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: the ball because I think you have the number one

1120
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 2: scoring defense, Jesseman. Are people, Oh we're good, but we

1121
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: need a tight end and a wide receiver or running

1122
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: back in a teie offensive line. But let's get into

1123
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 2: the defensive line and what for all of you know,

1124
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 2: the celebration and the seventeen point six points per game, Like,

1125
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: what do you think they need? Like what is something

1126
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 2: that was missing on that defense last year?

1127
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: You know?

1128
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 3: I feel like when looking at this style of defense,

1129
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 3: you know, that kind of Ravens Minner, Rex, Ryan Harbaugh

1130
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 3: Tree overall that goes back thirty years to University of Cincinnati.

1131
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 3: It's just been iterated and iterated and iterated. There's alway

1132
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 3: has been a straw that stirs the drink on the interior,

1133
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 3: the defensive line, everywhere, like everywhere this defense has been

1134
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 3: And it's not that they don't have, you know, really

1135
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 3: good players in the interior, but they just need that

1136
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 3: guy like they need like a Kenneth Grant type where

1137
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 3: we can put him at Truzier, we can put him

1138
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,359
Speaker 3: at shade, we could put him three, we could put

1139
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 3: him at five. You know, he can do everything from

1140
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 3: being the penetrator to set everybody up to being you know,

1141
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 3: the contained rusher on the outside who's three hundred and

1142
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: forty pounds and still can run four eight and track

1143
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 3: down a quarterback in space. Like that kind of guy

1144
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: that you can just do anything with and line him

1145
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 3: up anywhere and ask him to play any type of role.

1146
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: That type of player I think is both rare and

1147
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 3: also very needed. Plus, you know, I talked to Kenneth

1148
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 3: last month at Shrine Bowl and asked him specifically about

1149
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 3: the charges because he knows so many people there, and

1150
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 3: he explicitly said, like I would adore being a charger

1151
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 3: because he loves Jesse, he loves Jim, he loves Ben.

1152
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:53,319
Speaker 1: Herbert, Like that's where he wants to be, right. All

1153
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: we hear about this class is that the defensive tackle

1154
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 1: is just so loaded. Oh yeah, outside of the first round,

1155
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: who are some guys that you identify as maybe being chargers?

1156
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:05,720
Speaker 7: CJ.

1157
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 3: West from Indiana is one that I look to, you know,

1158
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 3: a team leader for a very very good Indiana squad.

1159
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 3: You know, again, he's another one of these rough and

1160
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: tumble interior defensive linemen. It's gonna just hold the point

1161
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: of attack on the inside and be the boulder that

1162
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 3: everything rotates around. But he's also got some pass rush

1163
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: to him as well, Like you can put him at

1164
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: three technique and ask him to get after a little bit.

1165
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: You know, as far as off the field goes, he's

1166
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: going to shine in every single interview. He's a delightful human,

1167
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: hard worker and somebody that I think you're gonna get

1168
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 3: probably in like the third to fourth round, which tends

1169
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: to be a sweet spot for IDL for.

1170
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: A lot of teams. So let's go two part.

1171
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 2: Then Kenneth grant chances that he makes it the twenty

1172
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 2: two in your opinion, and then beyond that if it

1173
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 2: is like because I'm with you, I just feel like

1174
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,799
Speaker 2: the defense needs like that a guy.

1175
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:58,680
Speaker 1: Yes, just like the guy.

1176
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,359
Speaker 2: And like I've asked probably everybody you know, I keep

1177
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: asking about Walter Nolan, but I just go through this

1178
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: and it's fun. It's like you said, I mean, it's

1179
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan, it's Derek Harmon. It's like it's Tyler Williams,

1180
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 2: like shit, Like there's a lot of dudes. But so

1181
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 2: let's start there. Do you think Kenneth makes it? And

1182
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 2: do you think because of the off field stuff, Walter

1183
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: Nolan makes it? And how would that fit? I think

1184
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,560
Speaker 2: it's possible. All of them, I think are going to

1185
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,720
Speaker 2: go in the same general range and it's going to depend,

1186
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: you know, a team by team on what exactly they're

1187
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 2: looking for. Derek Harmon, I think profiles is like a

1188
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,399
Speaker 2: very high end like five technique, like a Steffan Tuit type.

1189
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 3: Right, it can also play three technique on passing downs.

1190
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 3: He actually used to be about three forty and then

1191
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 3: he dropped down to three fifteen in Oregon and had

1192
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: his best year. So this is him after losing twenty

1193
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 3: five pounds and like really kind of finding his ideal

1194
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 3: playing weight. But I think he can kind of be

1195
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 3: like just a bigger version of Morgan Fox honestly play

1196
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 3: that kind of role for them in a slightly different style.

1197
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: And then you know, obviously you have Kenneth who's like

1198
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 3: the do it all knows tackle extraordinary, and then you

1199
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: got Walter Nolan, who I think is really more of

1200
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: a three technique that can also play five technique, but

1201
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 3: I really want him as a three technique, and some

1202
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 3: teams are gonna prioritize that more than others, right because

1203
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 3: some teams already have like that really explosive three technique

1204
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 3: and they're really more looking for at Kenneth or they're

1205
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 3: more looking for a harmon. So I think they're all

1206
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 3: gonna go in the same range, but the order they

1207
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 3: go is gonna heavily depend on which team is on

1208
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 3: the board. For the Chargers, they're actually set up in

1209
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: a way where they could take any of them and

1210
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 3: be happy, which I think is advantageous for them. They're

1211
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 3: just gonna let the board fall to them. But even

1212
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: if somehow all three of them are off the board,

1213
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 3: there's still twenty other defensive tackles they're gonna go between,

1214
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: you know, rounds one and round five like they're gonna

1215
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 3: get one.

1216
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 1: But I want to pivot back to the Chargers current

1217
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: roster in last year's draft class and what Hortees was

1218
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 1: able to do. Obviously we know about Alton mcaukeey, but

1219
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: to get Cam Hart and tar Heep still in the

1220
00:53:51,600 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: fifth round one of the guys that I think a

1221
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 1: lot of people are looking forward to seeing this year

1222
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:58,919
Speaker 1: and we're expecting a pop this year, but just bad

1223
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: injury luck as junior. How do you view Junior in

1224
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,280
Speaker 1: year two, knowing this system, having just tough luck with injury,

1225
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: in the impact that he could make next to day

1226
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: On Henley.

1227
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 3: I mean, once upon a time that was the same

1228
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 3: story with Dayon right. In fact, I think this time

1229
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 3: last year we were talking the same way about day On,

1230
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 3: like if he just stays healthy, he's going to be amazing,

1231
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 3: and he was. So you're looking at a potential young

1232
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 3: linebacker duo of Dayon Henley and Junior Colson that could

1233
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 3: be top three in the NFL by the end of

1234
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 3: this season, if we think Junior is what we think

1235
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 3: he is, which is for me, he was the best

1236
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 3: Mike linebacker in the draft last year. Plus Dayon, who's

1237
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 3: a phenom. I can't think of very many linebacker rooms.

1238
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 3: I would love to have more than that, especially because

1239
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 3: they're young, they're under contract control. We've got him for

1240
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: the next two to three years. They both know the defense.

1241
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 3: This defense is built around fast, aggressive linebackers like them, like,

1242
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: I really really hope that Junior can stay healthy this year,

1243
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: and obviously day On two, because I wouldn't be surprised

1244
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:56,520
Speaker 3: if both.

1245
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: Of them play at a Pro Bowl level. What about Edge,

1246
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,160
Speaker 2: You know, that's the big question, right, what do you

1247
00:55:01,239 --> 00:55:03,759
Speaker 2: do with Joey at thirty six million? We had joe

1248
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 2: On earlier in the Joe Ortie's earlier in the week,

1249
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,879
Speaker 2: and you know, sounded like, hey, we want him back.

1250
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 2: He said he wants to retire a charger. Let's see

1251
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: if we can make it work. So Khalil said, he's

1252
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 2: not gonna retire, He's gonna come back. Feels like, you know,

1253
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if you want to uproot your family

1254
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: for one more year kind of thing. So maybe he's

1255
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 2: going to be back, But what do you do with

1256
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 2: that room? And what's the draft look like? Because man,

1257
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: it feels like there's gonna be a really good edge

1258
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 2: sitting there at twenty two as well, and there's a.

1259
00:55:27,600 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 3: Million of those in this class too. Obviously Abdul Carter

1260
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: is going to be long gone. I would say, as

1261
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: far as he's gonna be there at twenty two, without

1262
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 3: trading up, you're looking possibly at one of the Texas

1263
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,160
Speaker 3: A and M guys, like whether it's Schamar or Nick Courton.

1264
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 3: I'd be totally fine with either one of them. And

1265
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: they also are both bigger edges, which I tend to

1266
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: favor because they have that first and second down value

1267
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 3: to them compared to some of the lighter edges in

1268
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:51,439
Speaker 3: this class, where it's like, hey, if it's third and seven,

1269
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 3: we're rocking and rolling first and ten not so much.

1270
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: I think Harbot kind of feels the same way, like

1271
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 3: he wants to be the most physical, exhausting team out

1272
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 3: there for the other team, right, So I would say

1273
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 3: one of them fits really well. Princely Umami Ellen from

1274
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:11,720
Speaker 3: Ole Miz is just a freak show. Andy's two sixty

1275
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: five plus, so I think he crosses their thresholds. Suffice

1276
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,280
Speaker 3: to say, this is a class where they're not gonna

1277
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 3: have to trade up. I think the Chargers are in

1278
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 3: the perfect spot because there's the top tier, like the

1279
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 3: true top tier players, there's two of them, and then

1280
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: there's a pretty heavy drop off there. And I think

1281
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 3: the difference between you know, pick twenty two and pick

1282
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 3: fifty is not or rather the pick three and pick

1283
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 3: twenty two is not super crazy compared to the pick

1284
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 3: twenty two to pick fifty. So like the Chargers on

1285
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,240
Speaker 3: like the perfect spot to just catch whatever is falling

1286
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 3: and probably get a player that is a similar grade

1287
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 3: to somebody who's in the top ten.

1288
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: Bret depth a question market corner for the Chargers. You

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Speaker 1: know we talked about still in heart, but with Fulton

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Speaker 1: and Zion free agents, what does this class look like

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Speaker 1: in terms of corner.

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Speaker 3: There's actually a lot of corners that I really really like,

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Speaker 3: and they're all very different stylistically. There's some guys who

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Speaker 3: I think profile really more as a nickel than anything else.

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Speaker 3: I think of Huzzy from North Carolina, who is one

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Speaker 3: of the better pure nickels in this class. I comp

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Speaker 3: him to like a Taran Johnson type. We got to

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Speaker 3: make sure the medicals are okay. He went down during

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Speaker 3: Shrinebole week. I think it might just be a bone bruise.

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Speaker 3: I gotta double check on that, at least that's what

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Speaker 3: he told me when I asked him about it. But like,

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Speaker 3: if you guys watch Huzzy, he is phenomenal, and then

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Speaker 3: you know you have your kind of big, rough and

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Speaker 3: tumble outside press corners like a Sewan Ravel who also

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Speaker 3: is coming off injury, but he is going to score

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Speaker 3: off the charts as far as character, leadership, cognition abilities

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Speaker 3: and oh, by the way, he's a big corner of

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Speaker 3: long arms who can really really cover. They might get

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Speaker 3: lucky and get that kind of injury discount on him

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Speaker 3: and have him be there at twenty two. He should

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Speaker 3: be ready for the season. If so, he's a starting

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Speaker 3: corner right now. And if you're packaging him with Tarheb

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Speaker 3: and all these guys, like that's a good secondary right there.

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Speaker 2: Almost feels like you want to drop a vet into

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Speaker 2: that group, you know, if you're going to roll out

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Speaker 2: with cam Hart and Tarheb and I know, you know, look,

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Speaker 2: the market's the market is it?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 2: Davis is it read I don't know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like what kind of corners does does Jesse Minner? Is

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Speaker 2: d j Rey too small?

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Speaker 1: Or is he oh did he just get cut? Does

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Speaker 1: request the trade or trade? So I forget the language.

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Speaker 3: I almost I don't think they need to, And I

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Speaker 3: think it's because this staff is so good at identifying

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Speaker 3: corner talent and exactly what they want, Like as far

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Speaker 3: as you know, you talk about winds above replacement, uh,

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Speaker 3: you know, war per dollar that they're spending like they're

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Speaker 3: the best team in the league, as far as getting

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Speaker 3: really good corner play for no money, So I almost

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Speaker 3: want to leverage that advantage, especially because you know, coming

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Speaker 3: from the college level, like he's familiar with all these players,

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Speaker 3: he recruited them, he played against them. Uh, So I

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Speaker 3: would leverage that knowledge of these dbs and knowing what

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Speaker 3: they like and just getting the cheapest best corner room

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Speaker 3: in the NFL that's still really really good, and then

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Speaker 3: using those dollars for something else, like say, if T

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Speaker 3: Higgins happens to come free and he doesn't get tagged, like,

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Speaker 3: I'd almost rather spend the money on that, right.

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Speaker 1: Other free agent defensive players that you think could be

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Speaker 1: potential fits for what Jesse Witzer likes to do.

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Speaker 2: Ooh, off the top of my head with the big tackles,

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Speaker 2: I mean, which you Chase Williams, which you would. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what that number is going to be.

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm hesitant about it because you know, I was

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Speaker 3: just doing a study this past week about and I

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Speaker 3: was looking at every single uh starting roster for every

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl winning team for the last fifteen years, right,

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Speaker 3: and what percentage of those rosters or homegrown draft picks

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Speaker 3: versus trade targets versus free agent signings. And then I also,

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Speaker 3: you know, me and my research assistant then expanded that to, okay,

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Speaker 3: what about the top five teams in the draft that year,

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Speaker 3: like the worst team in the NFL, what's the difference

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Speaker 3: in the percentages in terms of how they acquired talent,

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Speaker 3: what round it was, you know, how expensive they were,

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Speaker 3: everything like that. And there was a remarkable difference between

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl winning teams and the bottom five teams

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Speaker 3: in terms of percentage of their roster that is free

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Speaker 3: agent signings. And I think teams that have typically on average,

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Speaker 3: one to two more free agents starting for them than

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Speaker 3: homegrown draft picks tend to be worse because their dollar

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Speaker 3: is not going as far. It's usually you're trying to

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Speaker 3: chase a hole that you created by missing on a

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Speaker 3: draft pick. So you're spending more for a player who

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Speaker 3: probably really isn't the magic bullet. And how many players

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Speaker 3: are actually getting to the market that are the magic bullet.

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Speaker 3: You always have to ask yourself, why is he available

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Speaker 3: if he's that good with all the stuff that you

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Speaker 3: can do to manage the cap, you know. I guess

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Speaker 3: that's why I bring up Milton Williams right because it's like, well,

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Speaker 3: he's at the market because they've got George Davis at

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Speaker 3: Jalen cart like, they do such a good job of

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Speaker 3: drafting that it's like, yeah, we're just not going to

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Speaker 3: pay you way to go, you're off. But these guys

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Speaker 3: are free because they're you know.

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Speaker 2: So that's kind of the one that I was looking at, like, well,

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Speaker 2: it almost lines up that maybe he's not hating the

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Speaker 2: market because he's you know, because they don't volume. It's

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Speaker 2: just how he drafts all that depth on that line. Man,

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Speaker 2: he's one of the rare instances him and trace do

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Speaker 2: you like him? I really do like him.

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Speaker 3: It's just he happens to be on a team where

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Speaker 3: they already have a bunch of guys, and especially they're

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Speaker 3: starting to get towards the point where they're going to

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Speaker 3: be stacking some pretty serious cap hits here. So again

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Speaker 3: they're I think for them, they're okay with okay, we

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Speaker 3: just want the third round Comppick and because that's where

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Speaker 3: they took him in the first place, they got him

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Speaker 3: in the third round. So they trust themselves, especially in

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Speaker 3: this kind of defensive line class, they trust themselves to

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Speaker 3: get another Milton Williams, like somebody who can contribute for

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Speaker 3: them and then you know, just kind of keep doing

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Speaker 3: that comp pick cycle like what we see Baltimore do.

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Speaker 3: So he's kind of a rare instance. But for the

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Speaker 3: vast majority of like top dollar free agents, you know,

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Speaker 3: like at like Javon Hargrave, Jevon Hargrave have been worth it.

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Speaker 3: For the forty nine ers, like you always have to

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Speaker 3: ask yourself, why are they available.

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Speaker 1: If they're that good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Trey Smith, Milton Williams like very rare, very rare.

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Speaker 2: So so let's do the free agent thing. Then, I

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Speaker 2: know we said we're going to focus on the events,

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Speaker 2: but you know, let's have some fun with the offensive side, Like,

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Speaker 2: do you do you look at Hey, let's make sure

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Speaker 2: we get to the draft and we don't feel like

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Speaker 2: we've got to take guard here, We've got to take

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Speaker 2: tight end here.

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Speaker 1: We've got it.

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Speaker 2: Like when you look at this free agent class, do

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Speaker 2: you feel like there's good enough players where you can

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Speaker 2: you know what, Let's put Fries here and that way

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Speaker 2: we don't have to freak out at twenty two. Or

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Speaker 2: let's put Dolmen or and I don't know if he's

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Speaker 2: even the right center or Kelly like of those positions.

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Speaker 2: Is there anything out there that you like that will

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Speaker 2: free geo Orti's and his staff up that just take

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Speaker 2: the best guy that's sitting there at twenty two, and

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Speaker 2: it could be either side.

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Speaker 1: Of the ball.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you could talk me into dolmen right, And

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Speaker 3: I think it really comes down to it's not necessarily

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Speaker 3: like using free agency to turn something into his strength.

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Speaker 1: It's just to show up a weakness. Right.

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Speaker 3: You're like, you're trying to eliminate desperation. That's the whole

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Speaker 3: point of what we do in March. It's not to

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Speaker 3: go out there and spend the most money to build

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Speaker 3: a super team because you're never going to be able

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Speaker 3: to do that in free agency.

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Speaker 1: The data bears that out.

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Speaker 3: It's more so, can we put ourselves in position where

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Speaker 3: to your point, if we'll get to twenty two, It's like,

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Speaker 3: we would love to take Tyler Booker here, but we

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Speaker 3: don't want to have to be in a position where

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Speaker 3: we have to take Tyler Booker if there's a player

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Speaker 3: that has a higher grade that falls down, and like

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Speaker 3: we're just killing ourselves because it's like, oh, we normally

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Speaker 3: would take that other guy, but now we got to

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Speaker 3: take Booker because we don't have a lot of guard

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Speaker 3: Like that's what you use march for is to free

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Speaker 3: yourself up to have that that flexibility.

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Speaker 1: In April, Bret, last one for me, who are you

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Speaker 1: most looking forward to seeing this week and who can

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Speaker 1: maybe help themselves the most before the draft.

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Speaker 3: I'm really interested to look at the linebackers because this

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Speaker 3: is a sneaky, fun linebacker class. I know for the

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Speaker 3: Chargers specifically, like they don't necessarily need a top one,

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Speaker 3: but like Carson Sweaestians love them, brill He's so good,

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Speaker 3: and I look at like the the like the Sam

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Speaker 3: linebacker types, you know, who are both going to be

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Speaker 3: off ball and on ball linebackers like a Jalen Walker

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Speaker 3: Jeeha Campbell from Alabama's guys are top fifteen guys, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean it's Andrew Vankinkle wearing a jet pack Like

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Speaker 3: that's my comp right, Like they're just insane. I love

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Speaker 3: seeing how they move. I really want to get some

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Speaker 3: clarity at receiver because, like I said, there's not a

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Speaker 3: whole lot of top tier receivers. In fact, there's probably one,

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Speaker 3: but I want to see who stands out in the

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Speaker 3: wide middle. Like I think a sneaky pick for the

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Speaker 3: charges of receiver would be a Mecca Buca, Like, and

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Speaker 3: I know he's he doesn't profiles like the X receiver

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Speaker 3: that ever thinks they need. But at the same time,

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Speaker 3: you don't necessarily want to pass on a player who

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Speaker 3: I think is going to test that well and is

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Speaker 3: that productive and is that good in the room, just

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Speaker 3: because I was like, oh, well he's not six three

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Speaker 3: two twenty and like that's the profile we need. It's like, well,

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Speaker 3: what if he's just the better receiver, Like we can

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Speaker 3: figure it out, right, So I think he's somebody that

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Speaker 3: I'm really looking forward to watching, just to see, just

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Speaker 3: to just to get clarity on like is he that good?

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Speaker 2: I think that's what some people have been saying, Like

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Speaker 2: that's how maybe TMAC could slide to the Chargers, that

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Speaker 2: Abuca could end up being the number one receiver. You

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Speaker 2: don't think that he and lad kind of replicate too

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Speaker 2: much or that they would compliment each other.

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Speaker 3: I look at it this way. If you're looking at

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Speaker 3: the percentage of like press man coverage that's played in

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Speaker 3: any given season, a man coverage period is only about

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Speaker 3: twenty five percent on average across the NFL, right, and

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Speaker 3: true pressman coverage is far lower than that. And so

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Speaker 3: how often is a smaller receiver on the outside truly

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Speaker 3: going to like have to go up like not just

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Speaker 3: against a press corner, but a good press corner. Right,

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Speaker 3: It's like, how many snaps per year? Is that actually

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Speaker 3: going to be a problem for the matchup wise? If

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Speaker 3: that's the only thing that really gives him trouble if

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Speaker 3: you're putting a Buka at X, It's like, Okay, we

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Speaker 3: face that, what twenty snaps a year, Like it's not

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Speaker 3: that big a deal compared to all the production that

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Speaker 3: we know we can get because of how good he

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Speaker 3: is in terms of tracking the deep ball, in terms

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Speaker 3: of catching over the middle after the catch, Like he's

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Speaker 3: obviously really fast, great route runner, so it's like it's

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Speaker 3: almost like the Lad mccacky thing. It's like, Okay, Lad's

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Speaker 3: not an X. Lad was still one of the most

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Speaker 3: productive rookie seasons ever at receiver. It didn't seem to

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Speaker 3: hurt him that much because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: seventy five percent of all coverages played are going to

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Speaker 3: be his own coverage where you're not really getting manhandled

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Speaker 3: by dbs. It's more so just about finding space, being

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Speaker 3: in rhythm of the quarterback, understanding the structure of a

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01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 3: defense pre snap and post snap, and getting to the

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01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,600
Speaker 3: right spot. If you have receivers that are really good

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Speaker 3: at doing that, then they're probably gonna be really productive.

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Speaker 3: And I think he's one of them.

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Speaker 2: All right, last one real quick, because everybody's had a

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01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 2: different answer, which has been really fun. I think it

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01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,480
Speaker 2: speaks to the group. And look, I mean you could

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Speaker 2: you could say Ashton Genty and you can say, you know,

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01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:53,720
Speaker 2: Mari and hamp but like who's your favorite back? Like

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Speaker 2: if you just think value plus talent, like I you know,

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01:06:57,560 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 2: let me hit you the one basial tootin Virginia Trixat.

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01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:04,760
Speaker 2: He just fly like four three five minimum. To me,

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01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna jump thirty nine inches plus where's he gonna

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 2: go because of medical which I mean, I'm not saying

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01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 2: he has a medical issue, but I know he's getting

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01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 2: get checked out because you know, he's wearing the big

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01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: knee brace during the year, and then he took it

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01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 2: off and put up like two hundred next week, right,

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01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 2: So I know he's gonna get checked for medical this week.

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Speaker 1: If that's all good to go, he's a Day two pick.

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Speaker 3: And even then he's still I don't think slips past

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01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 3: the fourth round. If we're looking for like a third

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01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: running back as a rookie that has just unbelievable juice,

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01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 3: almost like a Justice Hill once upon a time, right

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01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,880
Speaker 3: where it's like, okay, we can give him maybe five

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01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 3: to eight touches in a game, and there's a decent

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Speaker 3: shot one it goes sixty seventy as a receiver or

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Speaker 3: runner like this is a kid who put up historic

1530
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Speaker 3: track times as a high school or in New Jersey's

1531
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: two hundred five pounds, it's gonna run sub four three

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01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 3: five like that's rare. Yeah, So as far as third

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01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,560
Speaker 3: running backs go, yeah, I want that to stay.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, one of the things people always I

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01:07:57,600 --> 01:07:58,760
Speaker 2: know I said last thing, but I just want to

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Speaker 2: follow up with this because I think he's they run

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01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,160
Speaker 2: zone right like, they run almost no gap, right, So

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01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: is that a big deal for you when you're like, hey,

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01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: I've seen it, and here with the Chargers it's duo

1540
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 2: and gap and power, Like, is that a big deal

1541
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:12,080
Speaker 2: to you when you see that?

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01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 3: Not necessarily because I look at this running scheme and

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01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 3: how versatile it is, like they actually they majored less

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01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 3: in that than I thought, Like they still did have

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01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,800
Speaker 3: changeups with outside zone like they would still you know,

1546
01:08:26,920 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 3: try to do perimeter runs with like crack toss and

1547
01:08:28,680 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 3: everything like that. And even if you know, you get

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01:08:32,200 --> 01:08:34,759
Speaker 3: him into the game and everybody is just thinking, Okay,

1549
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: here's gonna be a wide zone or a toss player

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01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 3: or something like that. Same thing happens when you're playing

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01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: against San Francisco. Same thing happens you're playing against Miami.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean it's not effective, right right, It's just you.

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01:08:44,800 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: Still need the running back that has that kind of

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01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 3: juice that can make a defense before the ball is

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01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 3: even snapped, be aware that, hey, we can't let him

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01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: get to the front side, Like if we have to overpursue,

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01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 3: we'll over pursue and we'll trust our backside guys to

1558
01:08:58,720 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 3: clean it up. And that point the Chargers are thinking, Okay,

1559
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:05,320
Speaker 3: if the thread of his speed is so great that

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01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:08,519
Speaker 3: we know they have to over pursue, now we can

1561
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 3: try to come up with ways to really just slam

1562
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,519
Speaker 3: open that backside cutback lane and trust him that he's

1563
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 3: going to hit it and get us, you know, fifteen

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01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 3: twenty yards. So you know, just because they know you're

1565
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 3: running white zone doesn't mean they can stop it.

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Speaker 1: Right Brick Coleman, we appreciate you. Man a lot of

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01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,680
Speaker 1: names to watch for Chargers fans this week at the

1568
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: combine in the draft. Dude, can they get it for

1569
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:31,200
Speaker 1: your time? Nig you have me here in this tradition. So, buddy,

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Speaker 1: that was episode three. You're riding solo for episode for

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01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: my friend. Yeah, you're you're catching a flight home. So tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: one more day we'll end up with as scheduled. Right now.

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Speaker 2: Mike Tannenbaum, the former general manager of the Jets, I

1574
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: worked with him for a while over there at NFL

1575
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: networking out does it for ESPN. We'll also have our

1576
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 2: friend Bruce Feldman does the Freaks List every year. Always

1577
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 2: love catching up with Bruce over at the Athletic and

1578
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 2: obviously covers college football for Fox as well, so he's

1579
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 2: doing a game a week. He's got a ton of

1580
01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: intel on all these players and and then we'll wrap

1581
01:10:00,439 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 2: it up with our friend Matt Miller over to ESPN,

1582
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: so again someone that's putting together a seven round mock

1583
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 2: draft and all that sort of stuff. So we'll wrap

1584
01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,000
Speaker 2: it up on Friday with three more great guests. It's

1585
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 2: been a heck of a week and certainly looking forward

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Speaker 2: to it.

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Speaker 1: It's been a generational run for Chargers Weekly here at

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01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: the Combine, getting started for draft season. For Buddy, I'm Chris.

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Speaker 1: This has been Charges Weekly. See you tomorrow.