1 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:13,480 Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I 2 00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: grew up. Hey, everybody welcomed Episode one forty three of 3 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,080 Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective. I've been or Brian and I'm joined 4 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: by Phil t Engineer. Say hi Phil, I'm here. Hello. 5 00:00:25,560 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: How are you doing, buddy? I'm doing all right? Uh. 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: I think this work this week has been It's it's 7 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: only Monday, so i'm but this week seems to have 8 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,080 Speaker 1: been pretty stressful for everyone in the office so far. 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: It's not working out real well for us. Now I'm 10 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: we're back at home. There is construction in the studio. Um, 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: there's smoke filling the air. We have some COVID issues. 12 00:00:48,280 --> 00:00:51,880 Speaker 1: But here we are, and here's Ryan Callahan. What's up, buddy? 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: Oh you know the usual. I guess I wouldn't say 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: the usual. I would say the opposite of the usual. Um, 15 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: it's September and I have not a hundred a single 16 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: day of September, which is, uh, you know a lot 17 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: of years. I'm about fourteen days behind where I would 18 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: typically be. So yeah, yeah, I feel I feel like 19 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: there is just that's just an air of desperation right now, 20 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: both to get out in the woods, and to get 21 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: work done and to produce these fine programs for all 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: of you out there. Um, So you'll have to excuse 23 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: us if we're not already drinking um, because I've been. 24 00:01:36,200 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: I've had a few white claws already. I'm not gonna lie, Um, Phil, Phil, 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: are you sober? You know I'm sober. I just finished 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: a Gatorade zero sugar If that counts. I don't think 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: that counts. Um Cal What are you doing to cope 28 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 1: with all this time not hunting elk and such? You know, 29 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: I got the puppy Snort, a little female yellow lab, 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 1: and um, she's been awesome him. I've been doing a 31 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: lot of training with her than i've been working on 32 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: the freezer situation, which you know, it's so funny, like 33 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm just now getting around to this. This is the 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: very end of this is the most bare freezer situation 35 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: I've ever had. Uh, in preparation four hunting season, given 36 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: a lot of meat away at the beginning of COVID, 37 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: like back in March or whenever that was. And I 38 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: also in preparation for this for some media that we 39 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: were going to produce, like producing a bunch of like 40 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: how to sausage making stuff. I had like sixty pounds 41 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: of sausage that I had ground and mixed, so it 42 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: was just game meat, and it's a mix of like antelope, 43 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: little tiny bit of antelope mule, you're uh whatever, trium. 44 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: I had in there, a lot of elk trim and 45 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: pork fat, and then that was gonna be just our 46 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 1: base and then we're gonna mix it with a bunch 47 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: of stuff and do some sausage making content. And then 48 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: uh so I was like, I am not gonna go 49 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:27,320 Speaker 1: elk hunting until that stuff is done because I had, 50 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: you know, basically three five pound sacks of this chorus 51 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: ground base in the freezer and you got the very 52 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: last of it cranking out today. Um So that's like 53 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: my keep saying excuse for not being out hunting. Uh. 54 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you made a plan, you're sticking 55 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,680 Speaker 1: to it. But at the same time, it's just you know, 56 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: there's just a lot going on and trying to keep everything. Yeah, 57 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: I feel I mean, you're not missing too much. I 58 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: got some stories for you guys from my first hunting 59 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: for rays of the season. Um, I've had my dad 60 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: in town. Were the last like eight days we hunted 61 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: fairly hard. He's sixty seven, and so there's a lot 62 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 1: of places we couldn't go that that could have been 63 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: a little bit more productive than order we were. But 64 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: we were into elk Um. There was a few not 65 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: so sharp moments that I'll have to I have to 66 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: tell other stories. I have to tell just because I 67 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: feel I feel guilty if I kept them to myself. 68 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: But you're not missing too much. Cal We ran into 69 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: couple of bugle and bulls and had some action. But 70 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: I think, uh, elk hunting's best days are yet to come. 71 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: So you finish that sausage, You'll be just fine. Oh yeah, man, 72 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: And I'm super pump to you. I've been shooting the 73 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: long guns a little bit, you know, slinging arrows in 74 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 1: my garage and you know, get the opportunity to archery 75 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: hunt all all runt out and I hit up some 76 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: spot that are typically good a little bit later in 77 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: the season. Montana's got a long season. But yeah, man, 78 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: it's it's it sucks not going to Idaho and run 79 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: around and um, you know, I love early season l cunning. 80 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: I I just really really enjoy the first couple of 81 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: days of the season. First week of the season. But 82 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: I really looking forward to getting dog out and you know, 83 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: turning her into a good citizen. And have spent you know, 84 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:38,159 Speaker 1: decent amount of time trying to line up some time 85 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: on the calendar for for that for dog hunting slash training, 86 00:05:43,920 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: and that's a difficult deal to you know, because it's 87 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:51,119 Speaker 1: like I firendly believe if you're there's a very few 88 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: people out there that when it's not there puppy are 89 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: going to have paid Asians to be out with a 90 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,720 Speaker 1: bird dog in training, you know, because it's like, well, 91 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,480 Speaker 1: this is moling my only weekend two and watching you 92 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 1: scream at your dog is not as much fun as 93 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 1: I hadn't envisioned the day. Yeah, what what do you learn? 94 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: I mean, like people, you know for this show that 95 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: haven't heard about Snort. Give people a rundown of breed 96 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: and how you came to um acquire old Snort. Yeah, 97 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: so it's friends Riverstone Kennels out of Wisconsin and have had, 98 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: you know, some friends outside of those folks that have 99 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: purchased their puppies in the past and they've been really 100 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:44,680 Speaker 1: good dogs. And I've hunted with those dogs and then 101 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: I actually hunted with the mom of my dog. And 102 00:06:50,279 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: these folks at Riverstone, they just they do a good 103 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: job of checking in right there, like you ready for 104 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: your puppy, yet we understand, we get it. And uh 105 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: then this year they're like, hey, this is going to 106 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: be this dog's last litter. They typically only do two 107 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 1: letters per female, but this is their dog and used 108 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: to be a Buddy Mines dog and really really phenomenal hunter. 109 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: And they're like, well, we got got your name on 110 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 1: a puppy, like just you just gotta do it like 111 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: Nile is the time, and so hey, yeah, it was 112 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: pretty funny when we first got cleared to kind of fly. 113 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: It magically lined up with Delta just opening up the 114 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 1: ability to fly with with like a non service animal. 115 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 1: And so I flew to Minnesota, rented a card road Wisconsin, 116 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: picked up puppy foot around, came back, stayed at one 117 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: of the worst hotels I've ever stayed at. And that's 118 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: including like a long line of like railroad flop house 119 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: hotels in my youth that we'd stand for hunting purposes, 120 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: and and man, this place was gnarly, laughably gnarly. And 121 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: then don't skip over that park count we I think 122 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: gnarly hotel stays should be could be a regular segment 123 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: on any podcast, but we need to hear this one. 124 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: So the dude. So it's like a family hotel, right, 125 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: as in a family ran it. But it was just 126 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: this guy. And there's like a sign on the desk 127 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: that says these are the people checking in. Here's the keys, 128 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: like don't bother me between these hours of the day. 129 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: And so that's odd. And as I'm like hauling my 130 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,559 Speaker 1: bag in, this guy walks out the front door barefoot 131 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: and he's like you stand here. I was like yeah, 132 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: it's like yeah, me too. He's like, you ain't seen 133 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: nothing yet. Okay, so walk in, like grab my keys, 134 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:20,720 Speaker 1: signed my name go down. I was bringing a bunch 135 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: of fish back with me. Uh So I had wanted 136 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: to have a refrigerator in the room, which they had 137 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: a kitchen at room, and it was like you just 138 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: couldn't look that closely at anything because you just couldn't 139 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: be there. So like there's definitely some mold and some nastiness, 140 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 1: and and they had I was up early the next 141 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 1: morning and I can hear somebody just like knocking on 142 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: every door, like what the heck is going on. So 143 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 1: I packed up all my stuff go out. There's the 144 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: other person staying there, the only other person that I 145 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: saw on the little mom Paw Hotel the whole time. 146 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: And he's like, hey, have you seen the manager. It's 147 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: like nope, I haven't. And he's like, well, I'm locked 148 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 1: out of my room. And I keep banging on his 149 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: door and nobody's answering, and like, my girlfriends in there, 150 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: and we like, we gotta get going. Where's the girlfriend 151 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 1: in the manager's room or in his room? In his room? 152 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: And he was asking me if I had a screwdriver 153 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: so he could like pop the door open and get 154 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: in his room. And I didn't ask any more questions. 155 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 1: I just said, no, I do not have a screwdriver. 156 00:10:49,400 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: Good luck to you, probably for the best. But I 157 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,719 Speaker 1: did drive away thinking I'm like, well, if your girlfriends 158 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,959 Speaker 1: in the room, yeah, that's that's what I was just thinking, 159 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: is she a lie? I do not want to be 160 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: the one who then assists you to get in the room. Yes, 161 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: it may be locked for a reason, but yeah, anyway, 162 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: picked up the puppy, like walked around a little bit. Uh, 163 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: gotta hang out with her parents and watch them do 164 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: some retrieves and stuff and just you know, talk the 165 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: bird dog stuff through training. The training retrievings set up 166 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 1: and and then uh away we went a borrowed Byron's 167 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: fat cat soft kennel that they brought one of their 168 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: cats up in and uh had that smash down in 169 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: my bag through the puppy and that thing hopped on 170 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: the flight and uh a nice little lay over in 171 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: the Delta Lounge. Puppies. First pe was out on the 172 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: tire MAAC in Salt Lake City, and which is funny, 173 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: so they have like it's for certain it's a service 174 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: animal relief area. And since it's not uh like in 175 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: a secure area, it's literally out on the tarmac. Uh 176 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, somebody who's working there has to take you 177 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: out so your animal can relieve itself. I was like, hey, 178 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,559 Speaker 1: you know, I got this little puppy here and I'm 179 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: sure she's got a pee, and uh well he's like, 180 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I got like five minutes. It's like let's go, 181 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 1: so you like walk out onto the tarmac in Salt 182 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: Lake City. Um, she goes and does her thing. I 183 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,760 Speaker 1: don't want to like yank get in the habit of 184 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: like yanking. This puppy out of the kennel because I 185 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: want her to have her little safe spot, you know. 186 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:53,280 Speaker 1: So like unzipped the little cat door and snort. She 187 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 1: wasn't even named at that point, like steps out and 188 00:12:55,760 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: like looks around. It was like, nope, nope, not for me, 189 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: ninety degree tire mac in Utah and uh. But eventually 190 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:10,080 Speaker 1: she came out Beeden and uh. I felt like we 191 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: established some real trust there well, and with any relationship, 192 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 1: trust that comes first. So we're glad. Do you feel 193 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: like I remember one of the first times we had 194 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: our new little format here, it was probably a year 195 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: and some change ago, we talked a little bit about 196 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: your love life and how you just felt that, you know, 197 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: you're a lone ranger in many of respects. Now now 198 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: you have a dog living with you once again because 199 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: you've had dogs in the past, so you're feeling different 200 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: now you're feeling different with with this new relationship you 201 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,439 Speaker 1: got in your life. Oh certainly, yeah. I mean there's 202 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:52,439 Speaker 1: my my days are much longer and not out of selfishness, 203 00:13:53,679 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: so getting getting a lot done. Yeah, So what's the 204 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 1: what's the snort plan? Like you have? I know you 205 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: guys have already been doing some training. Yes, it's it's 206 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 1: really interesting that the dog, she's like not that great 207 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: of a retriever on land, Like she has her big days, 208 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 1: like her good days, um in the spot that I 209 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: always take her, and then I've been changing it up, 210 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: like where we go the river and water wise, like 211 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: she's been swimming in the Missouri and she's swam in 212 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: the yellow Stone and um, East Kellaton and all over 213 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 1: the place now um, and she's like goes like a 214 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: bat out of hell and is very very talented, very 215 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 1: strong swimmer, like knows her pursuit angles, like just picked 216 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: it up in two days of you know, like training 217 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: a dog in current is super super important, both for 218 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: the fact that you don't want to missing birds, but 219 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: also for you know, dogs safety. I've seen firsthand where 220 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: dogs spend the majority of their lives on ponds, lakes, 221 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: still water, really slow moving water, and as a mature dog, 222 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,880 Speaker 1: even that current can get them in a lot of 223 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: trouble because they don't see danger sneaking up on them, 224 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: you know, so entrapment issues. The So it's it's very 225 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 1: cool to see this puppy kind of doing the math 226 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 1: so to speak, right, like seeing where the dummy lands, 227 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: where she needs to enter the water, and what angle 228 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: she needs to swim at to intercept the dummy as 229 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 1: it moves towards her, and uh, and so it was 230 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: just kind of this realization the other day. It's like 231 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: the reason that she doesn't like retrieving on land is 232 00:15:53,560 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 1: because it's freaking boring compared to what we've been doing. 233 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: She's like, ah, I don't know, Oh, I've this is it, 234 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: I got it. What else can we do? Is kind 235 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:09,040 Speaker 1: of the thing. So um, which which is like something 236 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, it's been I've trained a lot of dogs 237 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: over the years, and it's just been a long hiatus 238 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: since since I've trained a dog, and um, so it's 239 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: retraining me as well. Um, but it is fun to 240 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: be you know what. My excitement over bird hunting has 241 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: been nil since I had lost my last dog, and 242 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: now it's like very exciting. Like I said, I've put 243 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: some effort into coming up with some opening day plans 244 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: and and some trips and some ideas to get her gone. 245 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, well so we'll do opening day of waterfowl, 246 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: will do um, you know, try to get her out 247 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: on some grouse. Yesterday she did great you know, she's young, young, 248 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: she's only five months old, um, and so it's not 249 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 1: like going out and expecting anything. It's just going out. 250 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: My expectation is she's gonna sit when I tell her 251 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 1: to sit, She's gonna come when I tell her to come, 252 00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: And that's about it. Right. So yeah, Well, have you've 253 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 1: been through the the ringer with dogs before, especially with 254 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, loved and lost? And I think it's it's 255 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,919 Speaker 1: a real popular, popular and meaningful soliloquy for people when 256 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: their dogs passed to kind of reflect on that. Does 257 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: that change how you work with snort? Like you know 258 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: that you kind of have loved and lost before, or 259 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: you've been through the whole process of owning a dog, 260 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 1: training dog and losing him. Does that change anything for you? Yeah? 261 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:45,720 Speaker 1: For sure, for sure, there's like, uh, you know, there 262 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: is there's there's a little bit of a like how 263 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: close do I want to get to this thing? Like 264 00:17:54,480 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: the clocks ticking? Like ten years? Maybe right? Um, it 265 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,639 Speaker 1: could be a little longer than ten years. Definitely under thirteen. 266 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 1: You know, working dark dogs get beat up pretty good. 267 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Whole host issues could come out of this, right So 268 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: um that I mean, that's definitely in there, and then 269 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,360 Speaker 1: you know, they're just the comparisons when you're like analyzing 270 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: character because they're all individuals and it's like, Okay, is 271 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: this dog going to be more apt to do this, 272 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: less apt to do this? Is that a dog that's 273 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 1: going to respond to discipline? Is it a dog that 274 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 1: needs to be treated very delicately? Like where are these 275 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: lines and boundaries? And and you know that's part of 276 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: the fun and definitely the challenge um and those realistic expectations, 277 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: right is like all I want is two have a 278 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 1: dog that listens, right, And that's a giant safety thing. 279 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: And I've already run into some people on walks and 280 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: stuff that are like they're like, oh, jeez, you don't 281 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: need to yell at that puppy. That's just a puppy. 282 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, your dog is not a puppy 283 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 1: and it's a ship head. Yes, And I'm not gonna 284 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: talk about this. I'm me and Phil were talking about 285 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: this earlier. Lee. I mean, I live in the suburbs, 286 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 1: and the leash people dogs off leashes are just it's 287 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: just a ridiculous thing. And I feel like a lot 288 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: of times these dogs take on kind of the attentiveness 289 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: of their owner in terms of their personality, you know, 290 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: because if the if the dog owner is attentive to 291 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: what that dog's up to and then making sure that 292 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: it's that dog listens, then they're not gonna have as 293 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: many problems as if you just kind of write that 294 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: off just dogs doing what dogs do. Next thing, I know, 295 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: my kids getting whacked, you know, knocked over on the 296 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: playground from a dog off the leash. You know, these 297 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: are very suburban problems, but nonetheless, you know there's there's 298 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: a parallel. Oh yeah, we'll take it out of the suburbs. Right. 299 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: It's like if you can't recall that dog, Uh, rural 300 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: roads are dangerous because intermittent traffic. Like it's just the 301 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,200 Speaker 1: dog is not aware of it. Uh. Nobody likes a 302 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 1: flat dog, as I always like to say. And so 303 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 1: you've got a lot of investment in that animal, like 304 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: they're in they're stupidly expensive, right, I'm not telling any 305 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: anything to you as a couple of kids now, but 306 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:37,400 Speaker 1: it's like there's a significant monetary investment. And then obviously 307 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: it's like you love the damn things too, so um, 308 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: it pays to be disciplined and the you know my 309 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 1: past dogs, if you put a leash on one, uh, 310 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 1: they acted like their soul just got crushed because if 311 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: you told them to walk at heel, they walked at heel. 312 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: They didn't go to investigate anything unless you told them 313 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: that it was okay. If they wanted to go do something, 314 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: they looked up at you from heel and they're like, good, 315 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: can we can we do this? Right? And so through 316 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: training there there was a leash like that dog was 317 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: always in command. But that type of training is you know, 318 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: a multi year commitment, right, and that trust is so 319 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: tough because when you were confident enough to walk a 320 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: dog like that around and there's you know, like I'd 321 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 1: walk them anywhere I was, any city I was in. 322 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: That's how they were. And I'm sure like the casual 323 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: looker on just assume that dog was on a leash, right, Um, 324 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: But it's like one screw up from that dog. It 325 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 1: sees something, that chases something whatever, and it, you know, 326 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 1: it gets smashed by a car. That's not the dog's fault, 327 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 1: that's your fault. And the the first thing you think, I 328 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:09,640 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, why didn't I have it on the leash? 329 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's probably hubris um for the most part, right, 330 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: But it's like there's a lot of Yeah, I mean 331 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: there's just like you want that that dog to perform 332 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,360 Speaker 1: in in such a way and it's definitely a reflection 333 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: upon yourself. So yeah, it's definitely a lot of hubris 334 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: in the game. Now, Phil, do you feel like Mango? 335 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't call if you know, 336 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: if you've ever met Mango or have I seen Mango? 337 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: And they me either, so I'm not sure if Mango 338 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: is even real. I'm assuming i've seen photos. Phil, Do 339 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: you feel like Mango could ever cut it out on 340 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: the water and in the mountains in the woods of 341 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: Mango just not built for it. She definitely aims to please, 342 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: and I think with like, I'm not, um, I I 343 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,560 Speaker 1: couldn't do this because I'm not a professional like trainer 344 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: of dogs, but I think with some work, she would 345 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: absolutely love to get out there and do do some 346 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: some bird dogging, as you guys say, um, but but yeah, 347 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: it would definitely take some work though, because she is 348 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: She's auntsy. She is just a live wire, and we 349 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: don't know what her life was like before we got 350 00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: her because she was just picked up off of the 351 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: fourt Peck Indian Reservation at a little over a year old. 352 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: She gets very very scared and defensive because she's pretty small. 353 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 1: And um so that's another thing we were talking about 354 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: dogs on leashes. It's not just about your dog. Like 355 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: your dog could be the friendliest, nicest dog running around 356 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: off of a leash, but um, if if they approach 357 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: if like if like if if an off leash dog 358 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: approaches Mango and we always have Mango on on on 359 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:50,120 Speaker 1: a leash, um, she just like completely just like melts down. 360 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: She can't she can't handle it. And um so just 361 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: don't don't just think about your dogs, think about others 362 00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: dogs and other human beings as well when you have 363 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,399 Speaker 1: dog off of a leash. Um anyway, I'm just bringing 364 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: it back to the phill. Then you have to yell 365 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: Mango out, like if you're in the duck blind you 366 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: can go Mango, Mango, and then everyone turns and says 367 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: it says, what a great dog name. Yeah, they don't 368 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: do that at all. Snort is a good a good 369 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: thing to yell out. Cal you found like start start, 370 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: like that's a good thing to screen. It's pretty good. 371 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,199 Speaker 1: It's pretty sharp yeah, that that's my rule. Rad. It's like, 372 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 1: you can pick whatever name you want. You just gotta 373 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: be comfortable yelling at at the top of your lungs 374 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: in a very crowded place full of people who you 375 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: do not know. Yep, yep, Phil, Can you just give 376 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: us one? Like if Mango is misbehaving, what's the tone 377 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: that you use? Mango? It's usually like a mango, that's 378 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 1: that's the mango. Yeah, that's that's the lilt there. Now 379 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: you you you got it wrong, but you'll you'll, you'll 380 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: work on it. And it's fine. Mango you do like 381 00:24:54,880 --> 00:25:01,360 Speaker 1: a question, All right, that's fine, you're not see we'll 382 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: bring manga this year. Oh, it's so cool. Like the 383 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: thing that happens once with like working dog ownership is 384 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: when you watch them put things together and and like 385 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: the big reveal. The coolest part, right is you're doing 386 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: all this work, which is a lot of times play 387 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: and then the dogs like, oh I like this, and 388 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: you can see like their brands working and they and 389 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: they enjoy figuring out the puzzle like why do you 390 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: put me in this box and then tell me to go? What? 391 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: Why do you make me sit up? You know? Behind 392 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,480 Speaker 1: you on the stream bank and then let me retrieve. 393 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,399 Speaker 1: You know, it's like all these things and then like 394 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 1: the very first duck when the situation is right, it 395 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,360 Speaker 1: could be the second or third duck, but it's right 396 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: in that that time frame, and the dog goes grabs it, 397 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: brings it back to you, and then all of a sudden, 398 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: it's like you can see him kind of go like, 399 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: oh my god, there's something about this I really really 400 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: like and like that. Animals then changed forever and I've 401 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,640 Speaker 1: seen it on a handful of dogs now. But it 402 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: is so freaking cool. It is so cool. Like they 403 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: never look they never look at a tennis ball the 404 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: same way. Again, It's like, oh, yeah, that is for play, 405 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: and play is great. But let me tell you what 406 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: I really want to do. I have, like, I have 407 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: serious jealousy over snort. Um. I'm holding I'll hold out 408 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: my jealousy, but over mango because I'm not I don't 409 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 1: really know what mango brings to the table necessarily, um, 410 00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: but I do because I've wanted to have I wanted 411 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: to get a gun dog for years. I had a 412 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: buddy was offering me a fully trained British lab. A 413 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, and my wife just basically said, well, 414 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: we can get one, but the human children. We have 415 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: to take care of those first, and as soon as 416 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: you feel like we gotta handle them, that we can 417 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: get a dog. I've yet to feel like I have 418 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: a full handle on it, and so no dog. I 419 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,919 Speaker 1: think we're gonna have to wait till the kids are 420 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: old enough to help take care of the dog. But 421 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: for now, I'm just gonna have to have the the 422 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 1: snork jealousy that I've got. Well, you know, the good 423 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: thing is, um it's just like you know, having any 424 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: sort of first time hunter in the field, like the 425 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: best thing that you can do is leave your shotgun 426 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: at home. Right. So, once things are right and I'm 427 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: I'm confident that it's going to be a somewhat pleasurable experience, 428 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need folks that want to go get a 429 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,879 Speaker 1: couple of birds so I can work with the dog 430 00:27:55,960 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: and and they can do the shooting. So m Phil 431 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 1: has been I want to say, I don't want to 432 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: say reluctant to do the work of the hunter's safety course. Uh. 433 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: I feel like he's been thinking about it, but finally 434 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: recently he sent me a text or some sort of 435 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: message that said like, I'm doing it. Finally, I'm halfway 436 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,560 Speaker 1: through the hunter Safety Course, which I feel like, you know, 437 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: similar to snort, you know, getting that first retrieve right. 438 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: I feel like phil Is is coming around and I'm 439 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 1: seeing the joy in his eyes as he starts to 440 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: think about what hunting might be like. So Phil, give 441 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: us an update on your Hunter's Safety Course progress. Okay, well, 442 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: I am still not finished, but I'm I'm I'm chipping 443 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: away at it. Uh. It's definitely a lot. I mean, 444 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 1: some of the quiz questions are a little silly or 445 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: it's like what should you do with a gun? And 446 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: it's like answer he pointed at other people, answer be 447 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:59,720 Speaker 1: pointed at your foot, answer cee, Like keep the muzzle 448 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: and pointed in the air. It's safely away from people. 449 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: You know. It's stuff like that. But I am learning 450 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: a ton of stuff that I never knew. Um, just 451 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: like apart from the quiz stuff like I just finished 452 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: the section, just all about different kinds of like guns 453 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: and ammunition, and as a person who just never grew 454 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,720 Speaker 1: up with any of that stuff like family members and 455 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,240 Speaker 1: didn't I never grew up with guns in the house, 456 00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: never had family members who had guns. It's, um, my 457 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: only knowledge of firearms is through video games and movies. So, uh, 458 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,800 Speaker 1: just learning like what a gauge is and like different 459 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: kinds of actions. Uh, it's I mean, I've been I've 460 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: been enjoying it. It It doesn't feel like a chore, you know, UM, 461 00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: which I feel like it might for people who maybe 462 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: grew up with hunting and they're like, oh, I gotta 463 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: go through this, But for me, I'm like, oh no, 464 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm just eager to learn all this stuff that I 465 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: never knew about. UM. So yeah, it's been good. It's 466 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:57,240 Speaker 1: never had It's never bad to have a refresher, even 467 00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: for those of us who have been doing for a 468 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: long time, because you don't there's not a lot of 469 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: hunting camp conversations or hunting podcast conversation what we're talking 470 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: about what a gauges or discussing it, and so I know, 471 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: can I know you know this cow? We talked about 472 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: this before, I think on this show or somewhere. UM. 473 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: Teaching people is a good way to remind yourself of 474 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: how much do you know, and how well you can 475 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 1: articulate the stuff you think you know, and how easy 476 00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: it is for other people to understand. Um, that certainly 477 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 1: helps me to understand what is a gun? What do 478 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 1: you do with it? Well, if you've got to explain 479 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 1: to somebody who's never done it before, boy, that's a 480 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: damn good way to get yourself acquainted with your own 481 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: knowledge set and a good reason to go mentor somebody. So, Phil, 482 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: when do you how many modules you have left? Doesn't 483 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: it come in modules? Yeah? I don't remember how many 484 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: there are. I want to say there's like eight to ten, um, 485 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: and I've got five. I think I just finished number four, 486 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: so um, yeah, I'm like somewhere in the halfway point. 487 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly where though. Now. We'll check back 488 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: in with you when you when you're feeling feeling like 489 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: you're gonna get done. Make sure don't take the test 490 00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,080 Speaker 1: until we've talked about it, until we've discussed it, until 491 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,840 Speaker 1: you're confident. We cannot have you fail in the test. Okay, 492 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 1: I will not fail that important. We're gonna take you 493 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: hunt for the first time this fall, and we cannot 494 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 1: have you We don't want you to look like a 495 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: failure after all the time I've invested in training you, 496 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: so much time I'd never let you down, Ben, Yeah, 497 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: please don't let me down. And by and bye the bye. Phil. 498 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: I might not know this, but we have a listener 499 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: by the name of Eric Hall who always sends us. Um. 500 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: He sent encouragement to Phil as Fils going through the 501 00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 1: process of wanting to become a hunter. Uh. Just a 502 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 1: quick message for Eric Hall. I haven't received an email 503 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: for him in about three weeks, and after weekly emails 504 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: for about a year and a half. You know, Ben, 505 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: I think we heard his feelings when I said that 506 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: we shouldn't feature him on the show as much. I'm 507 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: a little worried about him, Um, and I'm wondering where 508 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: he is. Well. I just wanted to know that Eric, 509 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,240 Speaker 1: I would love for you to give us an update 510 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 1: and please keep calling and writing, and yeah, please keep 511 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: leaving your messages. We miss I've missed you, frankly, and uh, Phil, 512 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: Phil's hunting process won't be the same without your commentary, 513 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: so so please come back. Um. Hopefully Phil didn't upset 514 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: you too much with his commentary. Um, what do you like, cal, 515 00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:20,800 Speaker 1: what do you what do you need to tell Phil 516 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: about this what he's about to embark on? He said, 517 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: it's been so long we've waited for him to complete 518 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 1: this hunter safety Well, I yeah, I mean, just complete 519 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 1: the hunter safety the I mean that's what I wanted 520 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: to hear. Yeah, get it done, son. Just see here. 521 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Ben, I I love you, but I 522 00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: think you're I think you're making a grave mistake in 523 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: building this up uh so much. I think I'm going 524 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: to be inevitably uh disappointed in in some aspect in 525 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: one way or another. I think we need to bring 526 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: it way down. And that way my expectations will be 527 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:04,240 Speaker 1: exceeded rather than uh, you know, not met. Your expectations 528 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: should just be like, boy, it's nice to be outside 529 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: the you know, um man, every I took a big, 530 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:21,520 Speaker 1: long walk yesterday morning. Um just picked a ridgeline and 531 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: hiked it, and I had a twenty two on my 532 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: back and stomped through a bunch of brush looking for 533 00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: grouse for snort, and just you know, walk straight up 534 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 1: a mountain, turned around, walked down the mountain, and I 535 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: came back without a bird or without firing a shot. 536 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 1: It was just a walk. And I now know so 537 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:54,520 Speaker 1: much more about that area then I ever ever did before. 538 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: Like that's a win. And that's a great way to 539 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: spend the time. I never would have gone up that 540 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 1: ridge had I not been thinking, boy, that looks like 541 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of growls up there. But still challenges 542 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: me all the time with that because I told him like, hey, 543 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: you know, there's so many things we wouldn't get to 544 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: do if we weren't hunters. And he's like that, I 545 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: don't believe it. He said, didn't you know that what 546 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: you said, Phil, Because you said, I think you could 547 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: just go in up you know it was what one 548 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: around the woods and you'd have the same experience. Well, 549 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: I I didn't say the same, but I'd say, I 550 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: guess my I think my argument was that, like you, 551 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: there's there's many ways to like connect with the outdoors, 552 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: and that that that don't end with you firing a gun. 553 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 1: I think was like sort of what I said. But um, 554 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,960 Speaker 1: that that's I mean, that's sort of comes back to 555 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,279 Speaker 1: the point of why I think the expectations should be, 556 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: uh should be lowered. You know. Well, let me let 557 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,719 Speaker 1: me clarify something here. A lot of my stories at 558 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:59,080 Speaker 1: this point in my life, Uh, they start with firing 559 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: a gun, like the pack out situation, like what happens 560 00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,480 Speaker 1: after you make the decision to pull the trigger or 561 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: throw an arrow. Holy sh it, man, that's when things 562 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: get interesting. I mean, my god, you're right, I I 563 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: gotta tell you. So my dad comes to town, right 564 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: I got. I feel like I jumped the gun and 565 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 1: inviting him. He drew a general season out tag, and 566 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,440 Speaker 1: I got so excited. I'm like, you have to be 567 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: here on opening day, because why not as soon as 568 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: we can go hunting. We need to go hunting, not 569 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: thinking about you know, weather, rut activity, how easy your 570 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:41,920 Speaker 1: heart would be to travel around the country in early September. 571 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: I mean, we didn't have a great week of hunting. 572 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't the best week of hunting in terms of 573 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: elk or no elk, or excitement or no excitement. That 574 00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: being said, like we had an awesome time. We got 575 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 1: up early, we stayed up late, We drank, we laughed, 576 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:02,239 Speaker 1: we cried, we hiked around the mountains. I got a 577 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: few stories from the week that I have to share, 578 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: like I said, But by the bye, I mean, I 579 00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,879 Speaker 1: spent time with my dad, and um, I don't know, 580 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,560 Speaker 1: I don't know of any other way. I'm not experienced 581 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,560 Speaker 1: any other way. Him and I've spent time outside fishing, 582 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: metal detecting, foraging, and a munch of other ways. I've 583 00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,000 Speaker 1: never it never feels the same as it feels like 584 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 1: when we're hunting. So I mean just that just that 585 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,960 Speaker 1: experience is compared to other experiences outside just not quite 586 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: the same. Yeah, And I totally get. I mean, I 587 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: totally understand that when you're like, if you're out there hunting, 588 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: your your senses are calibrated differently than if you were 589 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: to go for a hike or go fishing or go 590 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: mountain biking or whatever. And like that's that's sort of 591 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 1: what I'm excited to experience. Um, just kind of looking 592 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: and listening and you know, smelling for different things. That's 593 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: a good way to put it. Though, senses are calibrated differently. 594 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a pretty good explanation of what it's 595 00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: really going on there, because certainly, are you walk walk 596 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: down the road and you can smell war a bowl 597 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,040 Speaker 1: out crawl across the road, I mean, you're I mean 598 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,040 Speaker 1: that smell hitting your nose is a sensory experience a 599 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 1: lot different than if you weren't pursuing that animal and 600 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: you smelled that same aroma so that's definitely a big deal. 601 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: And I would say, I guess I have to tell you. 602 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: I don't know if I should even tell you this, Phil. 603 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: I'll let you decide if you want to hear this 604 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: or not. Um, I had a little, a little poop 605 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,879 Speaker 1: issue in the woods. Um it ended up it ended 606 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: a hunt and ended the day's hunt. And there was hunt. Yeah, 607 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 1: there was there was ship in the pants. Um, and 608 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 1: then I got Ben. I gotta be honest, I don't know. 609 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,239 Speaker 1: I don't know how many more ship stories I can. 610 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,320 Speaker 1: I know. I think I was looking through nots of 611 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,719 Speaker 1: sharp moments before we hit record, and I'm like, not 612 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:59,000 Speaker 1: eight of them involved someone shipping on themselves. And I 613 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: just don't I don't know if I want to propagate 614 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: that much shipping of the pants conversation for for anybody 615 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: who hasn't done it yet outside. I mean, you you 616 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: are kind of reaping what what you sewed right now 617 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,439 Speaker 1: a little bit. Cow. Do you want to hear the story? 618 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 1: Should I just save it for another time because it 619 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 1: it is uh, extremely embarrassing? Oh yeah, I mean, I 620 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: guess how much have you been? How deep are you 621 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: into the poop poop issues? According to Phil it seems 622 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: it seems like, yeah, that the smell still lingers from 623 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: the last one. Well what what? What I can't tell 624 00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: you is that Ben has lost has Lost a Perspective 625 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,319 Speaker 1: podcast because he listened to the show and thought it 626 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: was too juvenile. Yeah. I was just gonna bring up 627 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:56,239 Speaker 1: that anecdote. Yeah, there was a very esteemed uh biologist 628 00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,279 Speaker 1: wildlife biologists who I had asked to come on the 629 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 1: show and talk about elk, specifically like getting in the 630 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: mind of an elk, what an elk is thinking, why 631 00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: it does what it does, etcetera, etcetera. Uh. He said 632 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: that sounds very interesting and then listen to an episode 633 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,479 Speaker 1: and said this one's not for me. And I said 634 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,520 Speaker 1: why and he said, uh, the poop stories. See. I 635 00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: think that's that's why. When when when you're looking for guests, Ben, 636 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,280 Speaker 1: I think you should curate your own list of shows 637 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,520 Speaker 1: that they should listen to, like here a few examples 638 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,400 Speaker 1: of what I, well, what my show is like. Otherwise 639 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,080 Speaker 1: they'll they'll listen to all the worst ones. Yeah. Yeah, 640 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,879 Speaker 1: I mean I think I'll leave the poop story out 641 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: of this, just know that it happened. Save it for 642 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,279 Speaker 1: I'm gonna save it for a rainy day. But I 643 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: will tell the story of our running with a grizzly bear. 644 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,839 Speaker 1: My dad and I was running with a grizzly bear, 645 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: because I think that's important. Cal. You're definitely you did 646 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: an episode already of Col's we can review in the 647 00:39:55,120 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 1: field right where you were in Idaho messing around with grizzlies, right, Yeah, 648 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: definitely not definitely not messing around, man, when you're dealing 649 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:11,520 Speaker 1: with grizzly bears. Um. And I was um with Idaho 650 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 1: Fishing Game, um. And then several members of Idaho Fishing 651 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:22,279 Speaker 1: Game are on the inter Agency Grizzly Team, and so 652 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 1: they're they're working hand in hand with biologists inside Yellowstone 653 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 1: National Park, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming. And yeah, it uh like 654 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:39,320 Speaker 1: all very good folks, but you know, you're you're dealing 655 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:43,040 Speaker 1: with an animal that commands a lot of respect on 656 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: its own and then it's also got a giant spotlight 657 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,879 Speaker 1: on it from the public, and so everything we did 658 00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 1: is very much like these are big, tough animals, and 659 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: you know, we were moving them around and it was 660 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: very amazing. Impressed. I was impressed by everybody, like their 661 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,600 Speaker 1: professionalism in regards to that animals well being and safety 662 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:15,760 Speaker 1: as far as like when you went to move an arm, Um, 663 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,960 Speaker 1: you were all reminded every time, and not in hey, 664 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: you idiot type of way, but like a protocol sort 665 00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,000 Speaker 1: sort of way, like now when you move the arm, 666 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:28,600 Speaker 1: like remember like the joint swings out like this, like 667 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: be very careful as you're moving the animal around and 668 00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:35,320 Speaker 1: stuff like that. Yeah. So um, and that was for 669 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:40,880 Speaker 1: a population population dynamic study that's been going on, um 670 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:44,439 Speaker 1: since the eighties. Yeah, those those are interesting, I think 671 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,399 Speaker 1: talking about being able to we live in we live 672 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: in a place where you know, grizzly encounters are are 673 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 1: still rare and in certain spots, but um, when they happen, 674 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,239 Speaker 1: we talk about them and you hear about them, and 675 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,960 Speaker 1: they're important because it's just like you said that that 676 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 1: human interaction with grizzlies and their own population dynamics are 677 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,280 Speaker 1: a huge part of the conservation element of of grizzlies. 678 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: I mean it really is, how how how how often 679 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: do they run into humans is a big part of, um, 680 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,360 Speaker 1: how we decide what to do in certain areas of 681 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: grizzly bears, especially where you were I'm sure, oh yeah, 682 00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:22,759 Speaker 1: I mean we were read you know, we were on 683 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: the corridor, like the North South corridor. UM, that is 684 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,399 Speaker 1: West Yellowstone, you know, the busiest park entrance. Uh, there's 685 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: two ways to get to Grand Teton National Park from 686 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:41,239 Speaker 1: from the same road. And then you have all the 687 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,200 Speaker 1: people that aren't there to visit, there there to work 688 00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: or live. And it's you know, you're talking about millions 689 00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,480 Speaker 1: of vehicles on the road alone. Like so if you 690 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,880 Speaker 1: just want to narrow it down to like vehicle encounters 691 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: with wildlife, that's that's can be a pretty pretty grizzly 692 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:05,799 Speaker 1: stretcher road. UM. And then when you branch that out 693 00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:11,320 Speaker 1: into recreators, and again you're talking a couple of national 694 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: for US at two national parks, some state parks. Uh, 695 00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:20,000 Speaker 1: you have a lot of people recreating out there, both 696 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: in campsites and in dispersed campsites. Plus the folks that 697 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:30,359 Speaker 1: are going out to you know, hunt, mushroom pick all 698 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: the fun things that can be found off trail. It's 699 00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 1: it is absolutely wild. And I'll tell you we trapped 700 00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: a bore the very first day. These are all you know, 701 00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: live traps, and it was a four and seventy nine pound, 702 00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:53,720 Speaker 1: fifteen year old bear. And you know, it's a July, 703 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:58,400 Speaker 1: so they just got done with the rut mating season. 704 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: So that bear had been working really hard and it was, 705 00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 1: you know, like an All American athlete, right, four pounds 706 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,200 Speaker 1: is a big bear, and this is a big bear 707 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: in the time of year where it really should be 708 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:18,840 Speaker 1: the skinniest bear. Um. And so he was just probably 709 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: starting to think, you better start putting on a lot 710 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:28,319 Speaker 1: more pounds for the winner. And that was within you know, 711 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 1: as the crow flies half a mile from from uh, 712 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:38,480 Speaker 1: you know, pretty pretty darned busy road, and than the 713 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: other bear that we caught really about twenty four hours 714 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 1: later as all, so extremely fortunate for you know, our 715 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:53,000 Speaker 1: time frame, which doesn't leave that much time for patients. Um. 716 00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:58,520 Speaker 1: And the second bear was twenty two years old, about 717 00:44:58,600 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: threes three seventy one if memory serves three pounds um. 718 00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 1: Both of these bears have been collared and captured in 719 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:14,000 Speaker 1: their youth, one at three, one at five. And they 720 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: there's quite a bit of data on both bears, the 721 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:22,160 Speaker 1: second one more so because it had actually been colored 722 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: inside the park at five years old, and they knew, 723 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: you know, at least like general sense of where these 724 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:36,759 Speaker 1: guys traveled, where these guys spent their time, and I 725 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: mean they are the things that go bump in the 726 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:44,520 Speaker 1: night like they are, these just big wise grizzlies that 727 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,839 Speaker 1: are around people all the time. That three pound bear. 728 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 1: Um actually sent Mark Kenyon a picture of it and said, 729 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,359 Speaker 1: look what I caught today, because it's on the road 730 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,279 Speaker 1: to the cabin that he has down there. Um, and 731 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:07,000 Speaker 1: it's you know, to pave the road. It's not that far. Um, 732 00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: this particular road, spur road that we were on, you know, 733 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: isn't going to get you down to the river or 734 00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: something like that. But it's like you do not have 735 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: to go fire to bump into a lot of people. 736 00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: And those bears are there, you know, at that time 737 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:27,240 Speaker 1: of year all the time. So um, they they and 738 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: so no encounters like these are quote unquote good bears. 739 00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,320 Speaker 1: They've never been in a trash can, they've never scuffed 740 00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: up a person, and um, you know there there you know, 741 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:46,799 Speaker 1: like hands on is is sometimes hands feet body on 742 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:51,080 Speaker 1: uh working with these grizzlies and both of their their 743 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,799 Speaker 1: heads were just like piles of scars, you know, just 744 00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:57,239 Speaker 1: scar tissue on top of scar tissues. So they're not 745 00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: like some cartoon bear that's chasing butterflies. They're they're out 746 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:06,400 Speaker 1: there scrapping it up just like all the board. Grizzlies are, um, 747 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, fighting over territory, fighting over mates, fighting over 748 00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:15,120 Speaker 1: food sometimes and and just very very impressive animals. And 749 00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,280 Speaker 1: they are closer than you could imagine to an insane 750 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: amount of people. So yeah, that's a big thing. I 751 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,480 Speaker 1: can't wait to see that what you guys put together 752 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: off of that, because that's a big thing for me. 753 00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,280 Speaker 1: A lot of the conversations we've had here on this show, 754 00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 1: and I'm sure around the Mediator universe, are kind of 755 00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,200 Speaker 1: intangible looks at grizzly bears when you're talking about population 756 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,959 Speaker 1: dynamics and cohabitation and what should we do what should 757 00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: we not do? But you know, to be able to 758 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 1: put your hands on an animal like that while it's 759 00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:50,280 Speaker 1: still alive and and take it, you know, and and 760 00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,080 Speaker 1: study it and look at it and just be a 761 00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,560 Speaker 1: see something very tangible and then know where it is, 762 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,960 Speaker 1: where it's lives, where it's gonna live, how many people 763 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: it could encounter but probably won't. Um. You know, that's 764 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,680 Speaker 1: just a different perspective, a different level of perspective that 765 00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,759 Speaker 1: I that I hope people get from that um when 766 00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,759 Speaker 1: it comes out, because that's a pretty damn cool thing 767 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,799 Speaker 1: to to be a part of. Yeah. No, it was 768 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: an incredible, incredible opportunity and again just just just impressive, 769 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,239 Speaker 1: impressive to be around folks that are just so professional 770 00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 1: and you know, it really is go time, right, So 771 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: there's a there's a federal trapping season that these all 772 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 1: these biologists that are doing these types of studies, like 773 00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:44,960 Speaker 1: it's trapping season, just like if you were making money 774 00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 1: off the hides. These these folks are like getting things 775 00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,359 Speaker 1: prepared all year long for this live trapping season where 776 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:57,520 Speaker 1: they can go collect their data um or go get 777 00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: callers on bears to collect more data. Really, um, you're 778 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,320 Speaker 1: taking a lot of data when you're when you're working 779 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: up the bears too. But um and and it's just 780 00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: like very prepared, very efficient. Again. The animals, well, welfare 781 00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:17,879 Speaker 1: is top of mind. You have uh an oximeter, so 782 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,160 Speaker 1: you're making sure that bear gets enough oxygen. You actually 783 00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,960 Speaker 1: pull the bear's mouth apart and clip the oximeter on 784 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,760 Speaker 1: their tongue, which is pretty wild, right because these bears 785 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: aren't It's like they're on there badly, badly intoxicated. Like blackout, 786 00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:44,839 Speaker 1: intoxicated without the use of their muscles. Um. But they're 787 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:50,799 Speaker 1: not technically asleep either, you know. So uh there there's 788 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,160 Speaker 1: a little bit of movement. There's definitely some noises and 789 00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, Cal go ahead and just you know, 790 00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:05,239 Speaker 1: pride that bear's mouth, hope, And that's what I would 791 00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:10,560 Speaker 1: have been, like, yeah, you do that, We'll do Yeah. Well, 792 00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,839 Speaker 1: I mean, on my end, I've never I've had one 793 00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,040 Speaker 1: other one other group. I had a grizzly bear and 794 00:50:16,080 --> 00:50:18,960 Speaker 1: counter up in Northwest Territories. That was kind of one 795 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:20,760 Speaker 1: I care every hunt of years ago. That was kind 796 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,279 Speaker 1: of uh, you know, I got my hackles up a 797 00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,360 Speaker 1: little bit, kind of scary, but nothing like the recent 798 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,399 Speaker 1: one here in in our very young Gallatin Valley. UM. 799 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:36,040 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you man, like I have Joe Ferronado, 800 00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,560 Speaker 1: UM who's on this podcast and formally a mediator employee, 801 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: like he he got charged with a bear earlier this year. 802 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:48,040 Speaker 1: Every time somebody around Big Sky or Bozeman or somewhere 803 00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,480 Speaker 1: around here has a mix up with a barry here 804 00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,840 Speaker 1: about it. I mean, so it's definitely kind a heightened 805 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,920 Speaker 1: part of my hunting life. I mean, you grew cal 806 00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,400 Speaker 1: you grew up around here, Like what's the what are 807 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: the change is before I tell my story, Like what 808 00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:04,319 Speaker 1: are the changes have you seen in terms of like 809 00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:08,279 Speaker 1: the frequency that guys are getting you know, reported mix 810 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,080 Speaker 1: ups or stories out there in the world. I mean, 811 00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: there's there's no question the frequency is has gotten, you know, 812 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: has cranked up much more frequent, No, no question whatsoever. 813 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:24,799 Speaker 1: So like you know, growing up running all over um 814 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:30,399 Speaker 1: wasn't even that concerning than started spending a lot more 815 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,719 Speaker 1: time with the Bob Marshall um, where it's like, yes, 816 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,919 Speaker 1: there are bears here, started working out a Glacier National Park, 817 00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: Yes there are there are grizzly bears here. Um. But 818 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:44,399 Speaker 1: you know, in the Bob it was like, oh, check 819 00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,200 Speaker 1: it out, grizzly bear track. That's cool. Don't see that 820 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,600 Speaker 1: that often? See one bear trip maybe you know, you know, 821 00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: if you're out really hunting, and then it's like, you 822 00:51:57,080 --> 00:51:59,399 Speaker 1: know you're going to see a bearer trip. And then 823 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:05,319 Speaker 1: there was two bears a trip, and and you know, 824 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,239 Speaker 1: tracks on all the trails that we use, like all 825 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:14,520 Speaker 1: the heavy human traffic trails, lots of tracks, um. And 826 00:52:14,600 --> 00:52:19,120 Speaker 1: you know there's some food benefit to that behavior. Unfortunately, 827 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: like either you know, hard hard years, they're going to 828 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:29,040 Speaker 1: be eating uh, scat from the stock, all the mule 829 00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,839 Speaker 1: and horse poop, you know, eating the leftover grain out 830 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: of it, stuff like that. So there is some some 831 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,839 Speaker 1: incentive to being where the people are on certain times 832 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,800 Speaker 1: a year. But if it's like that thing that everybody 833 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,239 Speaker 1: tells themselves where it's like, oh, they're more scared of 834 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:49,680 Speaker 1: you than you are them, it's like, well, just like anybody, 835 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:54,239 Speaker 1: they're not really looking to pick a fight, but if 836 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,040 Speaker 1: they need to be there, they're going to be there. 837 00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:00,879 Speaker 1: So I you know, I know grizzly bear sightings when 838 00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:03,840 Speaker 1: I was when I first moved to Bosman, I knew 839 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:05,920 Speaker 1: that it would be part of my hunting life at 840 00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,040 Speaker 1: some level, um, but I didn't think it would be 841 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: so forward facing as it has been the last couple 842 00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,440 Speaker 1: of years. Pretty much everywhere I go, you know, the 843 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,200 Speaker 1: fodder around town here and opening days is as much 844 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:21,320 Speaker 1: about grizzy bear encounters as it seems to be about 845 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,680 Speaker 1: big elk encounters. Um. The folks I'll talking to in 846 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,719 Speaker 1: the last couple of years and this year for me 847 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: so far has been about wolves and bears as much 848 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,319 Speaker 1: as it has been about elk because I don't know 849 00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,719 Speaker 1: if I told you this or I I don't know 850 00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:38,520 Speaker 1: if I sent you the video. But I have numerous 851 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got multiple, probably fifteen to twenty trail 852 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,400 Speaker 1: cam videos of wolves um on my on my truck 853 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,799 Speaker 1: camera up not too far from where I'm sitting right now, 854 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,160 Speaker 1: a matter of fact, And so I spent a lot 855 00:53:51,239 --> 00:53:56,200 Speaker 1: of my trail cam scouting prep time combing through predator 856 00:53:56,239 --> 00:54:00,320 Speaker 1: photos and less elk um. Not that that don't I 857 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,600 Speaker 1: don't think there's a correlation there. But we had I 858 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,200 Speaker 1: shared this on social but we had a pack of 859 00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:11,360 Speaker 1: wolves running cattle about me. I was about August twelve 860 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,240 Speaker 1: running a bunch of cattle up and down this drainage 861 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: where I've got my cameras where I've been where I 862 00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: know there's a bunch of elk, and we ended up 863 00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,560 Speaker 1: punting and seeing a bunch of elks. So I've had 864 00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,280 Speaker 1: I have what five six seven videos of this all happening. 865 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:26,960 Speaker 1: Or it's pretty clear that one of these wolves takes 866 00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,919 Speaker 1: down a calf and you can hear the calf ball 867 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:31,840 Speaker 1: and and then you can hear the wolves howling in 868 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: the background. Some pretty eerie footage of you know, a 869 00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: big adult male standing looking right at the camera while 870 00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 1: his buddies are howling in the background. Shortly after you 871 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,799 Speaker 1: can hear this calf balling, and shortly before that you 872 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,239 Speaker 1: can see these wolves chasing these cows up and down 873 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,759 Speaker 1: this ridge, this meadow where my trail camera is. So 874 00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,520 Speaker 1: that was kind of my first interaction with this this year. 875 00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,400 Speaker 1: So we called the game warden. My buddy and I 876 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,720 Speaker 1: called the game warden, and I chatted with the local 877 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:05,239 Speaker 1: warden and he he was going to get ahold of 878 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: the rancher and let him know this was happening, going 879 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:10,759 Speaker 1: there and look for a kill site. Uh and and 880 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 1: and in the conversation I had with him, he said, man, 881 00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: look these these couple of drainages, these couple of canyons 882 00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:19,960 Speaker 1: to the east where you're hunting, there's been a grizzly 883 00:55:19,960 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: bear spotted. So if there is a kill site there, 884 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,960 Speaker 1: and you're gonna go look forward, or you're gonna be 885 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,080 Speaker 1: in that country where that killsite might be of this 886 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,680 Speaker 1: of these of these cows, just just be careful because 887 00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:36,560 Speaker 1: grizzly bears are around. And so now I'm going into 888 00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:38,920 Speaker 1: ELX season, like well, you know, I know that there's 889 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 1: were some really good bulls in this one small, kind 890 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:47,120 Speaker 1: of tricky little chunk of public. It butts up to private, 891 00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,040 Speaker 1: but I know I can get in. But I also 892 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,719 Speaker 1: know it's a pretty pretty high possibility I'm gonna see 893 00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: wolves and or gizzy bears in this little zone. And um, 894 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's thirty minutes from my house, so a 895 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,080 Speaker 1: nice place to be and it's easy to get into 896 00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,120 Speaker 1: for my dad. So we hunted it, and we hunted 897 00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:07,360 Speaker 1: it for a couple of days and had some good encounters. 898 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,320 Speaker 1: And a buddy Uh from Meat Eater, somebody who you 899 00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:14,319 Speaker 1: and I have worked with for a while, also knows 900 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,520 Speaker 1: about this spot, asked if he could go in there. 901 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:20,520 Speaker 1: I said, no problem, knock it dead. He goes in there, 902 00:56:21,080 --> 00:56:23,239 Speaker 1: calls in a bull, Sparta in Law shoots this bull. 903 00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:27,680 Speaker 1: That's actually we should talk about that too. Because we 904 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,279 Speaker 1: had hunted it three days in a row, and we 905 00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,560 Speaker 1: had been on elk every day, we kind of had 906 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:37,000 Speaker 1: the lay of the land. We knew what elk were 907 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,840 Speaker 1: in there, we knew what bulls we wanted to target. 908 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,640 Speaker 1: We knew exactly kind of the game plan we it snowed. 909 00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,440 Speaker 1: It kind of turned them off. We're going to pull 910 00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:47,880 Speaker 1: out of there for a few days and let it 911 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:51,560 Speaker 1: calm down. And then our our mutual buddy here at 912 00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: a meat eater goes in and called it makes I 913 00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,400 Speaker 1: think he probably two or three cow calls, and immediately 914 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:01,040 Speaker 1: two bulls running and they shoot one. I want to congratulations, 915 00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:07,359 Speaker 1: and I did, but inside you're like, damn it, no, no, 916 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,799 Speaker 1: I don't need the details. I don't need how many 917 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,560 Speaker 1: times you calcolled. They're the artists at the ball stopped. 918 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,120 Speaker 1: That's just let's just call it a day. Or the 919 00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: fact that you were you were walking in on my tracks, 920 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:21,600 Speaker 1: walking in on the trucks I made earlier that day, 921 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,760 Speaker 1: and that I called all up and down that road 922 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,960 Speaker 1: and didn't hear ship and didn't see anything. Put one 923 00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: one fresh set of bulls tracks. So anyway, that's that's 924 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: that's n that's publicly and on as part of it. 925 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:37,560 Speaker 1: I was happy for a buddy to get get a bull. 926 00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,680 Speaker 1: But anyhow, it is funny that I gotta tell you 927 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 1: when I was taking Snort out there um to look 928 00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:47,880 Speaker 1: for grouse, just you know, a couple of hours, there's 929 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,120 Speaker 1: a big part of me that I was like, God, 930 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,000 Speaker 1: I hope I don't bump into any elk. I got 931 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: just mentally, I'm not sure I can handle it. And 932 00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:02,840 Speaker 1: um stopped, you know, up on top of the reedge 933 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 1: and in another spot where I was like, oh, this 934 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,560 Speaker 1: thing should be full of blue grouse and I could 935 00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:12,920 Speaker 1: hear very very clearly another hunter let go with a 936 00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:17,439 Speaker 1: little bugle. I was like, ah, thank you, thank you. 937 00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,200 Speaker 1: So then I can mentally be like it's overrun with 938 00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,360 Speaker 1: people anyway. I don't want to be well, that's it. Man. 939 00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,560 Speaker 1: Every time I'm in a camp with somebody, they're like, ah, 940 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,840 Speaker 1: they already killed their elk, or they already got a 941 00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:29,520 Speaker 1: deer on the ground. I'm just gonna go sit out 942 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:33,360 Speaker 1: and I'm here anyway, travel travel all this way to 943 00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:34,600 Speaker 1: be in some camp with a bunch of out the 944 00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:36,760 Speaker 1: guided hunters shot my bull in the first day. I'm 945 00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:39,760 Speaker 1: gonna just go walk around like, don't ever do that, 946 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:42,360 Speaker 1: because you're gonna see the biggest bull, the biggest buck 947 00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:45,800 Speaker 1: of your life. Don't ever give yourself this opportunity because 948 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:49,480 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. If there are elk gods and dear gods, 949 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,680 Speaker 1: they want to mess with you, and they will send 950 00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 1: that giant buck after you filled your tag, or if 951 00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:56,920 Speaker 1: you're just out taking your dog for a walk during 952 00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:01,120 Speaker 1: the season, it will happen. Yeah, but you know, it's 953 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,320 Speaker 1: like one of those things. It's like getting something big 954 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:18,560 Speaker 1: and giant, um may not be as oh addicting as 955 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:24,000 Speaker 1: missing something big and giant. Right, We're like, yeah, now 956 00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,760 Speaker 1: I have to come back. I'm right there, man, this 957 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:30,120 Speaker 1: is we had My dad and I had a pretty 958 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,000 Speaker 1: good start this season. But mentally right now after I'll 959 00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:37,040 Speaker 1: finish this grizzly story, but mentally after you know, Buddy 960 00:59:37,040 --> 00:59:40,720 Speaker 1: goes in gets a bull after having a bunch of 961 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 1: close calls. My dad's bow string jumped off the cam 962 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,720 Speaker 1: when we had a bull at a hundred yards, so 963 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,000 Speaker 1: we had to take a day off a hunt and 964 00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,360 Speaker 1: to get get his bow fixed. And like all these 965 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,520 Speaker 1: things add up to this this immediate like I'm feeling deadly. 966 00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:01,000 Speaker 1: I am ready to find some damn six says, and 967 01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm gonna charge harder than ever to figure it out. 968 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:06,560 Speaker 1: So I don't mind. I don't mind that mindset. I 969 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,880 Speaker 1: don't mind going into it like this is gonna happen. 970 01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:13,360 Speaker 1: I if I needed to happen, I gotta you know 971 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:17,720 Speaker 1: all these things can't be for nothing. Yeah, that's the mindset. 972 01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,440 Speaker 1: So we go. You know, we're in the same drainage, 973 01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,600 Speaker 1: so we have the option to kind of leave this 974 01:00:27,000 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 1: little drainage, this little honey hoole, we have rest for 975 01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:33,280 Speaker 1: a few days. After somebody drops a bull in there 976 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,120 Speaker 1: and runs down to the bottom, my immediate thought was, 977 01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:40,320 Speaker 1: there's a fresh carcass. There's a fresh gut pile there. 978 01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:43,840 Speaker 1: You know, this guy works at meat eaither so there's 979 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,919 Speaker 1: not a scrap of of edible flesh there. But there's 980 01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 1: still plenty for gizzi bear to claim, and there's plenty 981 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,080 Speaker 1: for wolves to circle around of feet on. So I 982 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 1: talked to my dad. I said, here's the deal. We 983 01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: can go in there and check this out. There's a 984 01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,240 Speaker 1: there's a different side of the road that we can 985 01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,840 Speaker 1: go on. We can go on the east side of 986 01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,760 Speaker 1: the road, you know, around where this carcass will be, 987 01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:08,919 Speaker 1: and we'll have a good chance of running into a bull. 988 01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,680 Speaker 1: But I mean it's sketchy. Um, I know there's grizzing there. 989 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:14,840 Speaker 1: I know there's wolves. If we shoot another elk, Now 990 01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:19,600 Speaker 1: there's two carcasses within, you know, five six thousand yards 991 01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 1: of each other. We're gonna have to be slick and 992 01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 1: getting it out of there. We're probably going to have 993 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,920 Speaker 1: some sort of entangment with one of these critters. And 994 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: then the guy who shot the bull sends me a text, Hey, man, 995 01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,680 Speaker 1: I just want to let you know there were wolf 996 01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 1: tracks on top of our fresh tracks in the snow, 997 01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:41,280 Speaker 1: on in between our two pack out trips. So there 998 01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: was wolves trying to find that carcass from the time 999 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:46,680 Speaker 1: they took the first load out to can't come back 1000 01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,400 Speaker 1: and get the rest of the meat. There was already 1001 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:52,840 Speaker 1: wolves on this carcass and I already know, yeah, man, 1002 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: and like this pack of wolves has been in there 1003 01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:57,720 Speaker 1: a while. Yeah, so they kill I mean they killed 1004 01:01:57,760 --> 01:01:59,920 Speaker 1: this bull five yards up the drains from where I 1005 01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 1: my trail camera sits, and so that pack of wolves 1006 01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,840 Speaker 1: is thick and they're sticking in there. Oh, there's plenty 1007 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,959 Speaker 1: of plenty for them to do. But then I also 1008 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,400 Speaker 1: know from the game warn that there's there's a big 1009 01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:16,600 Speaker 1: boar grizz hanging around the area. And I know that 1010 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,840 Speaker 1: a grizz can smell a pin drop of blood from 1011 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:21,720 Speaker 1: six or so miles away, and so I'm pretty sure 1012 01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:24,479 Speaker 1: something's gonna go down if we go back in here. 1013 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:28,200 Speaker 1: The morning after somebody shot a bull into strainage. So 1014 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:29,880 Speaker 1: my dad and I talked about it. He's like, just 1015 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,960 Speaker 1: grab a pistol and let's go. We'll try to avoid it. 1016 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,000 Speaker 1: Now we know they're elkin here, let's try to get one. 1017 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:40,400 Speaker 1: And so I agreed, Okay, grab the torrups. I just 1018 01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:43,800 Speaker 1: got a new Tourists forty four mag. And by the way, 1019 01:02:44,040 --> 01:02:46,280 Speaker 1: like I feel like forty four mag is the minimum 1020 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,880 Speaker 1: bear defense pistol. But I've got two or three other 1021 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,000 Speaker 1: pistols that I could have taken. But there is no 1022 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,960 Speaker 1: Ammo and Bozeman. Have you tried to buy Ammo lately, cal, 1023 01:02:57,480 --> 01:03:00,720 Speaker 1: I have not, not at all, not at all. I 1024 01:03:01,080 --> 01:03:05,360 Speaker 1: went to a few I went to a few local 1025 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,560 Speaker 1: places trying to find three fifty seven or ten and 1026 01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,120 Speaker 1: there's nothing. I mean, like two boxes on the entire 1027 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:15,160 Speaker 1: row of shelves for m oh so if you need 1028 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:19,640 Speaker 1: either of those, I do just odd odd thing my 1029 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:23,120 Speaker 1: grandpa gave me is three fifty seven and a couple 1030 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,120 Speaker 1: of boxes. I am a couple of weeks ago, so 1031 01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 1: I need it. Yeah, you're you're morning. Welcome to I 1032 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:32,800 Speaker 1: think I got a box ten mill too, so that's 1033 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,320 Speaker 1: what I'm gonna need to do. But I had a 1034 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,440 Speaker 1: forty four mag and I'm like, I'm confident that that'll 1035 01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,720 Speaker 1: stop it at least, although it's not preferable, it will 1036 01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:43,200 Speaker 1: stop it. So I loaded that up, put in the holster, 1037 01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: bear spread on one bear spread, and left hip holster 1038 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:49,320 Speaker 1: pistol on the right. We get going. We're hiking on 1039 01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, to make a long story short, We're hiking 1040 01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:53,760 Speaker 1: up to a glassing point where we can look down 1041 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,640 Speaker 1: over this entire drainage down into this private land where 1042 01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,600 Speaker 1: these all come up from. And about ten team minutes 1043 01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:04,640 Speaker 1: into our sit, I looked to my left up this 1044 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,760 Speaker 1: ridge about seven yards is the one of the biggest 1045 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,880 Speaker 1: bulls I've ever seen on public land. I mean, this 1046 01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:13,400 Speaker 1: is a pretty damn giant six by six. He's kind 1047 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,640 Speaker 1: of just stomping. He looks piste off. He's stopping across 1048 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,840 Speaker 1: this ridge away from us. So I go to get 1049 01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,160 Speaker 1: my dad. I'm let's go, let's go, let's go. We're 1050 01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:23,040 Speaker 1: gonna try to cut him off, and we start running 1051 01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:26,240 Speaker 1: down the road to cut him off. Well, it's just 1052 01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:28,760 Speaker 1: stopped to check the wind. Our wind is totally wrong. 1053 01:04:28,800 --> 01:04:32,040 Speaker 1: It's blowing right to where he was headed to. Feeling 1054 01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,240 Speaker 1: kind of screwed, so I just stopped at a little debate. 1055 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,920 Speaker 1: I said, let's back out. Let's go back down to 1056 01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:38,680 Speaker 1: where we were and try to call him back around 1057 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:41,120 Speaker 1: to us, because we're not gonna he's gonna wind us 1058 01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:44,640 Speaker 1: if we blow this this ridge, so we gotta go back. 1059 01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:46,800 Speaker 1: So we we turned to go back, and as we turned, 1060 01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:50,000 Speaker 1: I stopped once to call a few through three or 1061 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,720 Speaker 1: four or five six calcols across this ridge, just to 1062 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:55,040 Speaker 1: try to get his attention. As we kind of retreated 1063 01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,680 Speaker 1: to get the wind right, and I look across this 1064 01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 1: ridge and like under some pine trees is this big 1065 01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,120 Speaker 1: shadowy figure can start to running down the hill. And 1066 01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:06,680 Speaker 1: my first thought was bear. And my second thought was 1067 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,040 Speaker 1: that must be the elk. I mean, that was right 1068 01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,600 Speaker 1: where the elk was. That had to be him, but 1069 01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:12,400 Speaker 1: it kind of looked like a bear. And I told 1070 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:13,880 Speaker 1: my dad, so I'm not sure what that was. I 1071 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,200 Speaker 1: think it's our elk, but it also could have been 1072 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:18,120 Speaker 1: a bear. Let's run down here anyway and set up 1073 01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 1: in case that was the elk, which how could there 1074 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,040 Speaker 1: be a big bear and an elk standing in the 1075 01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,920 Speaker 1: same damn spot. So we run down the ridge. We 1076 01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,520 Speaker 1: set up. I'm doing some cow calls. I'm looking down 1077 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,840 Speaker 1: the ridge. I go to move a little bit and 1078 01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I looked down and like a hundred yards below us 1079 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:39,240 Speaker 1: is the biggest damn grizzly bear I've ever seen. I 1080 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,240 Speaker 1: mean the biggest. I don't know. I'm not a grizzly 1081 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,280 Speaker 1: bear expert. I haven't I laid hands on him like 1082 01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,800 Speaker 1: you cal but I just looked like a tractor, like 1083 01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:55,240 Speaker 1: a furry tractor. I've never say anything like it. And 1084 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,120 Speaker 1: I think, luckily for us, I think he was he 1085 01:05:57,200 --> 01:05:59,560 Speaker 1: was obviously coming to the cow call. I think, luckily 1086 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,960 Speaker 1: for us, there was a carcass up drainage, and he 1087 01:06:03,120 --> 01:06:05,600 Speaker 1: turned to head that way instead of coming up to 1088 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,800 Speaker 1: check us out a little bit more. But I got 1089 01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,040 Speaker 1: the opportunity to watch this giant bear waddle away like 1090 01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:16,600 Speaker 1: swaying back and forth his fricked shoulders or boat out 1091 01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:19,720 Speaker 1: um washing him in the glass, trying to figure out 1092 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,760 Speaker 1: if he's a grizzly bear. Of course, see the giant hump, 1093 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:29,440 Speaker 1: blocky head, big swede bellyund grizzly easy. The biggest thing 1094 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:31,920 Speaker 1: I've ever even seen. It is an interesting thing too, 1095 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:36,000 Speaker 1: because we had that snow come through last week. Um, 1096 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:40,280 Speaker 1: higher elevations. Obviously, it was a little bit colder, a 1097 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,280 Speaker 1: little bit longer, a little bit more snow. Um that 1098 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:47,040 Speaker 1: you know, there's still quite a few berries out. But 1099 01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:49,800 Speaker 1: you know, you get that a couple of nights a 1100 01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,680 Speaker 1: hard freeze, which I mean it froze, got below freezing 1101 01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,840 Speaker 1: in town three nights in a row, four nights in 1102 01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,400 Speaker 1: a row. Right, Um. So yeah, those higher elevations, I'm 1103 01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,680 Speaker 1: sure that barry crop um and started to drop off 1104 01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:06,120 Speaker 1: the bushes, you know, and we still got a long 1105 01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,760 Speaker 1: way to go before those bears would really want to 1106 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,240 Speaker 1: dan up. Oh yeah, so those carcasses are gonna be 1107 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,400 Speaker 1: real valuable. Yeah, I could and and it it was 1108 01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,960 Speaker 1: something I don't know if you've ever kind of run 1109 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:22,840 Speaker 1: into this right and knew in my head this was 1110 01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:25,480 Speaker 1: I was like, man, I put two and two together 1111 01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,200 Speaker 1: and it equal four. I'm like, man, this is really 1112 01:07:28,200 --> 01:07:31,120 Speaker 1: not a great idea. Like we were walking into some 1113 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:34,160 Speaker 1: we were walking into the like a very high probability 1114 01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:36,960 Speaker 1: of having an en counter here, and uh, I don't 1115 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:42,160 Speaker 1: want to I still ye. Anyway, we did working with 1116 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:47,960 Speaker 1: those guys on the Grizz team there, man, they are 1117 01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:55,560 Speaker 1: full like hunting great. Uh. You know what really sucks 1118 01:07:57,200 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: people leaving their goddamn trash out. Uh. Those bears we 1119 01:08:03,840 --> 01:08:08,480 Speaker 1: have to shoot because they will do whatever it takes 1120 01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:13,520 Speaker 1: to keep eating human food. And it's starts with people, 1121 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:18,280 Speaker 1: even their trash out. And it's like the stupidest selfish thing, 1122 01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:24,720 Speaker 1: you know. Um. And so it's people, right, It's like 1123 01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,960 Speaker 1: it's people in every day. And I've had, you know, 1124 01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:33,120 Speaker 1: a handful of encounters that, um, you know, I've had 1125 01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:39,639 Speaker 1: one one encounter out of several that it was just 1126 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:47,639 Speaker 1: a true like, oh God, neither of us saw this coming, right, 1127 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:53,280 Speaker 1: but um. And you know I had one where had 1128 01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:58,680 Speaker 1: I been walking ten yards down the slope versus on 1129 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:03,120 Speaker 1: top of the ridge, I would have just been walking 1130 01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:08,000 Speaker 1: on a sow and two cubs trail with steaming ship 1131 01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,840 Speaker 1: on it, you know, and I would have been like, oh, 1132 01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:19,559 Speaker 1: I'm not going to follow them, you know. Um. But yeah, 1133 01:09:20,040 --> 01:09:25,040 Speaker 1: there there's a lot of there's a lot of woods 1134 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,080 Speaker 1: out there, and there's a lot of things that you 1135 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:31,080 Speaker 1: can do to mitigate these things were happening. And I 1136 01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:36,920 Speaker 1: always feel like you Ronnell always quiz me on this 1137 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:46,240 Speaker 1: because I get very analytical about these situations because I 1138 01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:50,840 Speaker 1: don't know what the long term effects are of having 1139 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:59,920 Speaker 1: close encounters with these bears. Are they than going? How 1140 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:03,519 Speaker 1: that wasn't as big a deal as I thought? And 1141 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,920 Speaker 1: are they going to be more aggressive to somebody else? 1142 01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:13,280 Speaker 1: Or are they gonna run over somebody else? Or um? 1143 01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:17,120 Speaker 1: You know, what is the long term effect of a 1144 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:25,880 Speaker 1: bear charging a bear charging somebody? Um? And it's next encounter, like, 1145 01:10:25,960 --> 01:10:29,640 Speaker 1: what is the relationship if any Yeah, I mean, I 1146 01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:33,400 Speaker 1: I'll tell you. Like I said, I'm still most people 1147 01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:36,320 Speaker 1: are relatively rookies when it comes to these encounters. I 1148 01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,080 Speaker 1: would hope. And I still was struck by this initial 1149 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:43,719 Speaker 1: fear realizing, oh, that was a bear charging down a ridge, 1150 01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,080 Speaker 1: come to check me out, thinking I was a cow out. 1151 01:10:47,200 --> 01:10:48,840 Speaker 1: It's the biggest bear I've ever seen, and that is 1152 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,600 Speaker 1: it's as it started kind of waddle away and the 1153 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:53,760 Speaker 1: and the sun was hitting it. We were then we 1154 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,759 Speaker 1: started to talk about, you know, is it a grizzlies 1155 01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,679 Speaker 1: the black bear? See the hump, you know, see the profile. 1156 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,519 Speaker 1: Then later saw its tracks affirmed it. It's like all 1157 01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,120 Speaker 1: you're in all of it. You're excited to be seeing 1158 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:08,160 Speaker 1: it now. It's the highlight of your trip. And I 1159 01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:12,480 Speaker 1: think that, just me personally, that's a thing that, um, 1160 01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,800 Speaker 1: you gotta struggle with because you why, man, I'd love 1161 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,519 Speaker 1: that was one of the coolest things that's happened to 1162 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:18,720 Speaker 1: me in the woods of my entire life. But there 1163 01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,160 Speaker 1: was a moment there where I was replaying all the 1164 01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:24,880 Speaker 1: podcast guests I've had on here who've gotten maimed and 1165 01:11:24,920 --> 01:11:28,320 Speaker 1: mauled and and your revel could be, you know, damaged 1166 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:31,320 Speaker 1: physically by these bears. So it's like, there's you got 1167 01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:34,680 Speaker 1: to figure out at what point are you willing to 1168 01:11:34,720 --> 01:11:37,680 Speaker 1: take that risk? And and if if you go out 1169 01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,400 Speaker 1: in the woods, know and every single time that you 1170 01:11:39,439 --> 01:11:41,720 Speaker 1: might run into a grizzly bearman, does how can that 1171 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,519 Speaker 1: not change your attitude towards towards what you're up to? 1172 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,040 Speaker 1: Damn absolutely? And I've never I've never, I have never 1173 01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:53,000 Speaker 1: seen a bear like that in my life. I mean, 1174 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,000 Speaker 1: I wish I would have my phone scope and I 1175 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:57,040 Speaker 1: could share what share the video? I have the track. 1176 01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,439 Speaker 1: I sent it to a couple of biology us and 1177 01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,080 Speaker 1: both of them are like, yeah, that's a big one. 1178 01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:06,800 Speaker 1: It's like, thanks, I appreciate that, but yeah, it's just 1179 01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,400 Speaker 1: something to know. And I will tell you the other 1180 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:11,160 Speaker 1: thing that we were just talking about, um before we 1181 01:12:11,200 --> 01:12:14,320 Speaker 1: get going here is is the same spot, the same 1182 01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:19,240 Speaker 1: piece of public land. I have been posting about all 1183 01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:23,120 Speaker 1: the trash I find at this place, and I said, 1184 01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:25,320 Speaker 1: it's a nice honey hoole. It's a beautiful place. I 1185 01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:28,200 Speaker 1: love going there. It's right close to where I live, 1186 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:30,360 Speaker 1: so I care a lot about it. I've had a 1187 01:12:30,360 --> 01:12:33,040 Speaker 1: lot of awesome stories to tell from just going there. 1188 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:37,040 Speaker 1: A few years. There was a mattress in the middle 1189 01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,760 Speaker 1: of the road not too long ago, a dirty ass 1190 01:12:41,920 --> 01:12:47,040 Speaker 1: mattress that looked like I mean it was used. Why 1191 01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,639 Speaker 1: it was there? No, there's no way to know why 1192 01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,000 Speaker 1: somebody brought it there. I mean, cal do you have 1193 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,200 Speaker 1: any phil you have any guesses as to why mattress 1194 01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,519 Speaker 1: would be in the middle of the dirt road on 1195 01:12:56,600 --> 01:12:59,880 Speaker 1: public land national forest? Cost fifteen bucks take it to 1196 01:12:59,880 --> 01:13:04,360 Speaker 1: the municipal dump. I mean, that's just too much money. 1197 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,720 Speaker 1: I have no gases now. We also had recently a 1198 01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,439 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties stationary bike. If you want to see it, 1199 01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:15,000 Speaker 1: you can go to my Instagram. Was also I mean 1200 01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:16,960 Speaker 1: not even it was it's like right off the road, 1201 01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:18,840 Speaker 1: but somebody had to brink drive it all the way 1202 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,479 Speaker 1: up there and dump it on public lands. Right over 1203 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,720 Speaker 1: the hill from that, in a place where I've I've 1204 01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,040 Speaker 1: looked for help before is a literal camp that has 1205 01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,920 Speaker 1: if you go there you can hopefully you never do 1206 01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:33,920 Speaker 1: and never find my spot. But if you if you 1207 01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,040 Speaker 1: walk five ft without seeing a mountain dew can or 1208 01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:39,719 Speaker 1: a keystone light can or a white claw, um shout 1209 01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:42,400 Speaker 1: out to white Claw, please sponsor us. If you if 1210 01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:45,000 Speaker 1: you don't go five ft without seeing an old can, 1211 01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:49,599 Speaker 1: there's American flag like folding chairs up there, just thrown 1212 01:13:49,680 --> 01:13:53,040 Speaker 1: in in a bushes. There's old tents. There was a 1213 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:58,120 Speaker 1: whole case of ensure that had somebody had uh partaken 1214 01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,400 Speaker 1: in there. I'm not sure if like the kids are 1215 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:03,720 Speaker 1: drinking in her now with their mountain dew, but this 1216 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,560 Speaker 1: is like, this is the this is the this is 1217 01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,920 Speaker 1: where this is I mean, and this is close to town. Um, 1218 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:13,640 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just I don't know. I'm telling the 1219 01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,679 Speaker 1: story to say it's disgusting and and anybody that talks 1220 01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:21,200 Speaker 1: about loving his country and and loving its public lands, 1221 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,400 Speaker 1: I'm glad to take it here and show you what 1222 01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:30,439 Speaker 1: the wrong version of this looks like. That's for sure. 1223 01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:37,960 Speaker 1: It's just so yeah, man, I do not. It's these 1224 01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,720 Speaker 1: people think very little of themselves. When it comes down. 1225 01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:43,479 Speaker 1: They must they must, yeah. They The effort to bring 1226 01:14:43,560 --> 01:14:46,960 Speaker 1: up a stationary bike and throw it on public land 1227 01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:49,960 Speaker 1: is has to be the same amount of effort it 1228 01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:51,600 Speaker 1: is to drive it to the dump or put it 1229 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,679 Speaker 1: on eBay and try to sell it or do anything. 1230 01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:58,599 Speaker 1: It's just like intentionally lazy. Um. It's almost like throwing 1231 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:01,599 Speaker 1: you know, these places is back in our faces to say, well, 1232 01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,120 Speaker 1: if you're gonna let me do whatever I want to 1233 01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:06,439 Speaker 1: within the law, I'll just I'll take advantage of of 1234 01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,760 Speaker 1: the good will. It's uh, it's sad to see. So 1235 01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:12,400 Speaker 1: if you see it out there, man clean it up, 1236 01:15:12,600 --> 01:15:14,559 Speaker 1: especially see it. We've talked about this before. I especially 1237 01:15:14,560 --> 01:15:17,719 Speaker 1: see it on shooting ranges, it seems publicly, and shooting 1238 01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:20,160 Speaker 1: ranges in the West are always full of garbage one 1239 01:15:20,160 --> 01:15:23,639 Speaker 1: way or the other. Um, that seems to be common. 1240 01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:26,040 Speaker 1: So we can all do a little bit of something 1241 01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,720 Speaker 1: for to help out and clean up. So, uh, that's 1242 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,960 Speaker 1: my rant. It's over now. It's a good one. It's 1243 01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:38,120 Speaker 1: well worth beating into the ground man, because it's so ah, 1244 01:15:38,160 --> 01:15:44,639 Speaker 1: it's just so bad, you know what I'm I'm reading weekly. Um, 1245 01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,200 Speaker 1: there's just there's a lot of people outside, you know, 1246 01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,160 Speaker 1: and it's like we got a harp on this stuff 1247 01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:53,559 Speaker 1: because uh, you know, it's great that people are out 1248 01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,439 Speaker 1: there partaking in these resources, but they gotta understand that 1249 01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,479 Speaker 1: nobody's gonna come and clean up after him, really, so 1250 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,320 Speaker 1: they need to do it when they're out there and 1251 01:16:05,360 --> 01:16:07,559 Speaker 1: be good stewards of land and figure out what that 1252 01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,000 Speaker 1: actually means, you know. Yeah, And I'll tell you, Uh, 1253 01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:12,880 Speaker 1: my dad and I were leaving this is actually the 1254 01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:14,560 Speaker 1: day we had the Grizzly beer encounter. To bring this 1255 01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:16,519 Speaker 1: all back together. We were driving out on the main 1256 01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:21,040 Speaker 1: road where the stationary bike was trashed, and there was 1257 01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,400 Speaker 1: an old man. I didn't stop. I really regretting not 1258 01:16:23,439 --> 01:16:25,959 Speaker 1: stopping and talking to him. There was an old man, shirtless, 1259 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,960 Speaker 1: old man. He kind of looked like an old Ryan 1260 01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Callahan if you picture like a five year old, shirtless 1261 01:16:32,840 --> 01:16:37,080 Speaker 1: Ryan Callahan with like the perfect tan. He was out 1262 01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:43,160 Speaker 1: there with a big gravel shovel take going through these 1263 01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:45,840 Speaker 1: like little shitty campsites where people had and he was 1264 01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:48,800 Speaker 1: shoveling out all the ashes and the broken glass and 1265 01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,640 Speaker 1: putting him in a trash can picking up cans. He 1266 01:16:52,800 --> 01:16:55,880 Speaker 1: it was just like an angel come from from above 1267 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,920 Speaker 1: to two lemon. And and the sad part is a 1268 01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,120 Speaker 1: couple days later, I'm up there and all the stuff 1269 01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:04,240 Speaker 1: he had done had been replaced with new garbage. Um, 1270 01:17:04,400 --> 01:17:06,280 Speaker 1: but there was some guy. I should have talked to 1271 01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:07,920 Speaker 1: him and got his name and give him a shout out, 1272 01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,720 Speaker 1: but there was he was just looked like he was 1273 01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:14,040 Speaker 1: up there to do exactly what we should all do 1274 01:17:14,120 --> 01:17:16,320 Speaker 1: every once in a while, just go clean up, you 1275 01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,559 Speaker 1: know the places where where you can go hunt and 1276 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,040 Speaker 1: fish and hike. So I should have stopped talking to him. 1277 01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:24,160 Speaker 1: But he had a flowing mustache much like yours. Cow 1278 01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:28,760 Speaker 1: although it was great, not so horrid. I'm good for that. Okay, 1279 01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:33,800 Speaker 1: where we are beers on me, angels, angels in the AFA. 1280 01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,880 Speaker 1: Al right, well we're gonna let you go. Cal Um, 1281 01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:39,400 Speaker 1: you did you take a COVID test? Have you taken 1282 01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,240 Speaker 1: a COVID test yet? I go in tomorrow for a 1283 01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:45,519 Speaker 1: COVID test. Yeah, so you're feeling you're not feeling, You're 1284 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:50,639 Speaker 1: feeling fine. Just precautionary. Oh yeah, you know, it's it's 1285 01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:54,920 Speaker 1: pretty wild where they're at right now. It's like, so 1286 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,720 Speaker 1: these are the symptoms, and then here's everything else we 1287 01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:06,360 Speaker 1: could possibly think of that could be symptoms. And you know, 1288 01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:11,120 Speaker 1: we're sitting in this soup bowl of smoke right now, 1289 01:18:12,400 --> 01:18:20,439 Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, if your eyes are richy, that 1290 01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:23,840 Speaker 1: could be COVID. The hell of a time to have allergies. Man, 1291 01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,639 Speaker 1: if you got allergies right now, you're a persona on garrata. 1292 01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,600 Speaker 1: Stay home, don't go out sneezing on people. But no, 1293 01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm feeling good. And the reality is, it's 1294 01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:40,840 Speaker 1: like myself, I can deal with, you know, I very 1295 01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:46,160 Speaker 1: comfortable with with with myself what I I do. Not 1296 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:54,400 Speaker 1: like the idea of infecting somebody else, Um, just because 1297 01:18:54,920 --> 01:19:01,840 Speaker 1: my own selfish actions. Um, so you know, I'm being serious. 1298 01:19:02,479 --> 01:19:07,599 Speaker 1: So I'd like to get a clean bill of health 1299 01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:12,080 Speaker 1: back and then um adhered to the rest of this 1300 01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:15,880 Speaker 1: fourteen day quarantine and yeah, do your thing. I mean, 1301 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,439 Speaker 1: yeah I did that. I traveled to the back forty 1302 01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:22,719 Speaker 1: for some filming with Mark Kenyon and then listeners will 1303 01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:26,040 Speaker 1: remember the episode we just did in Louisiana with the 1304 01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,920 Speaker 1: swamp people, Troy and Jacoble Andrey. After I got back 1305 01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:31,800 Speaker 1: from that, I kind of self quarantined and took a 1306 01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,439 Speaker 1: test and came back negative just just to be delivered. 1307 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,200 Speaker 1: And for the reasons you said, Man, that's a time 1308 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,160 Speaker 1: where we gotta watch what we do for the sake 1309 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,920 Speaker 1: of others, um ultimately, So I'm glad you're doing it. 1310 01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:48,080 Speaker 1: And uh, I'm sure you'll be negative. Yees. The trick 1311 01:19:48,160 --> 01:19:51,280 Speaker 1: is staying positive and tell you know you're negative, Red. 1312 01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:54,360 Speaker 1: That's damn right. And and by the bye, go listen 1313 01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,320 Speaker 1: to the last episode last this past Sunday's episode of 1314 01:19:57,320 --> 01:20:00,360 Speaker 1: Cow's we Can Review. You gotta hear about the scrowed 1315 01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:04,120 Speaker 1: them frog from Lake Titty Kaka and the porn website 1316 01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,400 Speaker 1: that's raising money. By the time, by the time I 1317 01:20:07,439 --> 01:20:10,360 Speaker 1: got it done at that episode, I was like, boy, 1318 01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:14,920 Speaker 1: this is this is possibly the most racy episode of 1319 01:20:14,960 --> 01:20:18,960 Speaker 1: Cow's Wee Can Review without trying to be so yeah, 1320 01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:20,840 Speaker 1: well you'll hear it. I'm We're not gonna give you 1321 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:23,760 Speaker 1: the whole thing, but just just saying Cal had to 1322 01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,760 Speaker 1: introduce a story about a screwed them frog in Lake 1323 01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:30,720 Speaker 1: Titty Kaka, Like how much research can you do. You're 1324 01:20:30,720 --> 01:20:35,800 Speaker 1: so limited because it's like we're all working on work computers. Yes, 1325 01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,400 Speaker 1: you can't. Can't go to the site and see what 1326 01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,080 Speaker 1: it said about the about the porn drive and so 1327 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:44,519 Speaker 1: if you want to hear about that, they want and 1328 01:20:44,560 --> 01:20:48,120 Speaker 1: only place to do that is cows Weaken Review your bastards, 1329 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:50,759 Speaker 1: go over there. If you're not listen to that, you're stupid. 1330 01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:53,439 Speaker 1: You're just stupid. It's your fault. You should feel bad 1331 01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:57,479 Speaker 1: about yourself, So go and do it. Brian Callahan appreciated, brother, Um, 1332 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,280 Speaker 1: go get healthy and then Haunts of Milk and keep 1333 01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,040 Speaker 1: us updated. Man. Yes, Sarah, thanks a bunch. You guys 1334 01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,280 Speaker 1: have a good day, all right, dude, see ye see 1335 01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:17,960 Speaker 1: your count. That's it. That's all another episode in the books. Phil. 1336 01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,920 Speaker 1: We love around Callahan, But we have a little explaining 1337 01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:23,840 Speaker 1: to do, don't we, Phil. Yeah, this was as we 1338 01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:26,760 Speaker 1: plan for this week, was it? We built something up, 1339 01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:31,519 Speaker 1: didn't we We build up some suspense. And I've had 1340 01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:36,280 Speaker 1: lots of messages from people that were excited about today's 1341 01:21:36,320 --> 01:21:40,080 Speaker 1: episode for a particular reason, and that's because we said 1342 01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:43,120 Speaker 1: Paul Bascher, who's the founder, one of the co founders 1343 01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:46,479 Speaker 1: of an Animal rights group, or rather controversial and radical 1344 01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:51,479 Speaker 1: animal rights group anonymous for the voiceless. Uh, it was 1345 01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,559 Speaker 1: gonna be on today's show, but it turns out now 1346 01:21:54,680 --> 01:21:56,880 Speaker 1: we have to say that I did do the interview right. 1347 01:21:57,640 --> 01:22:00,560 Speaker 1: You've not heard it yet, Phil obviously not listened to 1348 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:03,040 Speaker 1: the whole thing, but I have some audio from it. 1349 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,479 Speaker 1: So we had to make a decision. We had. We've 1350 01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,160 Speaker 1: had the shittiest week here. I'm not gonna lie. Um 1351 01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:12,720 Speaker 1: construction in the studio, Cal's got COVID lockdown, most of 1352 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:17,719 Speaker 1: our office has COVID lockdown, and um, the air outside 1353 01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:21,080 Speaker 1: is filled with smoke from the Western fires. And we 1354 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:26,600 Speaker 1: had a really interesting, dynamic, crazy interview with Paul the 1355 01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:29,920 Speaker 1: Sheer that we couldn't share with you because we can't 1356 01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,519 Speaker 1: get the audio right. So we had it. We we 1357 01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:35,040 Speaker 1: had the option to kind of share some crappy audio 1358 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,439 Speaker 1: with you or hold it for later, And I'm choosing 1359 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,439 Speaker 1: to hold it for later because I want to make 1360 01:22:40,479 --> 01:22:43,720 Speaker 1: sure you guys hear all of it, and you can 1361 01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:47,200 Speaker 1: and there's no complaints, um, because I think it's an 1362 01:22:47,200 --> 01:22:50,920 Speaker 1: important conversation. So do you have any uh immediate thoughts 1363 01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:54,160 Speaker 1: from what you heard there? Phil? That we can tease people. 1364 01:22:54,200 --> 01:22:56,160 Speaker 1: Whenever we finally get the audio right and could send 1365 01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,840 Speaker 1: it out to the internet. I haven't I haven't listened 1366 01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,519 Speaker 1: to it yet. There's one point where you're kind of 1367 01:23:02,920 --> 01:23:04,800 Speaker 1: I was kind of scrubbing through it, and I think 1368 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,959 Speaker 1: you say something like like, listen, I I applaud vegans, 1369 01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:12,200 Speaker 1: like you know, I I, and then he Paul, Paul 1370 01:23:12,240 --> 01:23:14,200 Speaker 1: asked you like, well, then why aren't you a vegan? 1371 01:23:15,160 --> 01:23:18,160 Speaker 1: That's funny, and then I stopped. I did not finish. 1372 01:23:18,240 --> 01:23:20,519 Speaker 1: I didn't listen wait for your answer, and I was like, 1373 01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,559 Speaker 1: I was like, oh man, this is good. This is 1374 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,400 Speaker 1: gonna be good. But having my simple, my simple answer 1375 01:23:25,520 --> 01:23:28,920 Speaker 1: something like I enjoy my omnivory and I'm not, there's 1376 01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,920 Speaker 1: no reason for me to stop it. And I'll explain why. 1377 01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:34,680 Speaker 1: It's an interesting conversation. And you know, the reason why 1378 01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:38,599 Speaker 1: I wanted to hold it was because it starts out 1379 01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,320 Speaker 1: a little uh combative, Like you could tell Paul didn't 1380 01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,400 Speaker 1: want to answer my questions. He wasn't sure where this 1381 01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:48,960 Speaker 1: was going. He wasn't sure if this was some kind 1382 01:23:48,960 --> 01:23:51,880 Speaker 1: of gotcha interview where I was gonna try to try 1383 01:23:51,880 --> 01:23:55,439 Speaker 1: to make him look stupid. But over time I think 1384 01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:59,280 Speaker 1: both of us, I, you know, wanted to be conciliatory 1385 01:23:59,320 --> 01:24:01,160 Speaker 1: and wanted to tell them I do appreciate what's going 1386 01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,840 Speaker 1: on here some of it, but there's a lot of 1387 01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:05,800 Speaker 1: this that just doesn't make sense. So let's talk about 1388 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:10,719 Speaker 1: that part. But I think by the end Um he said, 1389 01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:13,679 Speaker 1: thanked me for the conversation and and thanked me for 1390 01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,519 Speaker 1: my perspectives. And that was the most amazing thing that 1391 01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:19,720 Speaker 1: has ever happened to me in in hundred and four 1392 01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,680 Speaker 1: or some episodes of doing this show. Because what you'll 1393 01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,000 Speaker 1: find out about their organization and about their belief system 1394 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:29,599 Speaker 1: is is it's it's hard to let people in when 1395 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:32,960 Speaker 1: you feel like millions, billions of people are murdering millions 1396 01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,519 Speaker 1: and billions of animals um for their own, you know, 1397 01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:40,960 Speaker 1: personal pleasure and gain. And so when you come to 1398 01:24:40,960 --> 01:24:43,280 Speaker 1: come with this conversations with that worldview, it's really tough 1399 01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,160 Speaker 1: to come across the aisle and meet someone where they are, 1400 01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:50,439 Speaker 1: particularly me as a hunter UM. And so I felt 1401 01:24:50,439 --> 01:24:53,800 Speaker 1: like we got somewhere in that sense. And so I'm 1402 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:55,519 Speaker 1: sorry that you're not listening to it right now. You're 1403 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:58,040 Speaker 1: listening to me talk about it, But we're gonna get 1404 01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:03,240 Speaker 1: it figured out, phil as Uh some magic audio dust 1405 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:05,000 Speaker 1: that you can sprinkle on it, right, So yeah, just 1406 01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,760 Speaker 1: just hold hold your horses. The the interview is we 1407 01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,120 Speaker 1: we we have it and we have an okay recording 1408 01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,200 Speaker 1: of it, but the something I wasn't able to make 1409 01:25:13,200 --> 01:25:16,120 Speaker 1: it into the studio and Ben did the interview. Uh, 1410 01:25:16,160 --> 01:25:19,200 Speaker 1: and then Ben was having issues with the way we 1411 01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:23,960 Speaker 1: normally record phone calls and skype calls and so so 1412 01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:26,320 Speaker 1: we have a version of it that, if if need be, 1413 01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,720 Speaker 1: will drop. But um, we're gonna try and see if 1414 01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,840 Speaker 1: we can get a better audio quality version for you all. 1415 01:25:33,360 --> 01:25:35,880 Speaker 1: We're gonna do it for you. So maybe next week 1416 01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:39,760 Speaker 1: either way, I'm headed up with the Great Clay Nukeom 1417 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:43,040 Speaker 1: to go to them all my very long awaited Missouri breaks. 1418 01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:46,160 Speaker 1: I'll hunt this week and so you will see follow 1419 01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:49,599 Speaker 1: along on the social media's and then check back list 1420 01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:51,120 Speaker 1: for that story as well. So we got a lot 1421 01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:53,400 Speaker 1: coming up for you and the weeks to come, the 1422 01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,599 Speaker 1: return of Asked the Eagle and Yanni pittell Us, who's 1423 01:25:56,600 --> 01:25:58,120 Speaker 1: on the board. He's got an elk on the ground. 1424 01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,519 Speaker 1: We'll talk about that many many many things to do. 1425 01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:04,080 Speaker 1: And you also might hear about my not so a 1426 01:26:04,120 --> 01:26:06,840 Speaker 1: Sharp moment of when I put my pants a couple 1427 01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,479 Speaker 1: of days ago in the woods with my dad. Um, 1428 01:26:10,520 --> 01:26:13,240 Speaker 1: I I don't know. I don't know if I'm gonna 1429 01:26:13,240 --> 01:26:16,040 Speaker 1: be able to tell it. It's pretty embarrassing. I'm thirty 1430 01:26:16,120 --> 01:26:19,679 Speaker 1: four year old man, and I put my pants and 1431 01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:22,920 Speaker 1: so I'll think long and hard about how to share 1432 01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:26,799 Speaker 1: that experience with you. But before we do that, before 1433 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:31,400 Speaker 1: we let you go play the jingle Phil, what sharp 1434 01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:42,280 Speaker 1: not so sharp moment? So you don't have to I 1435 01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:43,880 Speaker 1: threw that. I threw that out. Actually the end, we 1436 01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:45,840 Speaker 1: don't normally do this. At the end, Man, you caught 1437 01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:48,400 Speaker 1: me off guard. What are we're doing it right now? 1438 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,960 Speaker 1: We're another episode of Not So a Sharp Moments sponsored 1439 01:26:52,000 --> 01:26:54,479 Speaker 1: by Work Sharp. Thank you to Work Sharp for bringing 1440 01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:58,680 Speaker 1: all home for us. And we're going to read you 1441 01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 1: a wonderful story now in I had a lot of 1442 01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:05,280 Speaker 1: Nazi Sharp Moments stories that involved poop, and I'm I'm 1443 01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,560 Speaker 1: gonna leave him out. I don't want to do I 1444 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,679 Speaker 1: don't want to go too far. But this one doesn't 1445 01:27:09,680 --> 01:27:13,599 Speaker 1: involved poop. It's pretty good. It's from Tom's Spring. Tom says, 1446 01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,559 Speaker 1: despite a lifetime in the outdoors. I've only been hunting 1447 01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,320 Speaker 1: since I was about twenty four years old, and I'm 1448 01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:23,160 Speaker 1: going on just about seven years now of hunting. My 1449 01:27:23,280 --> 01:27:26,280 Speaker 1: first mentors were co workers who were gracious enough to 1450 01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:29,639 Speaker 1: show me the ropes, first with small game at various 1451 01:27:29,640 --> 01:27:33,200 Speaker 1: state recreation areas here in Michigan. Next came the late 1452 01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:36,640 Speaker 1: Antler list deer season. Towards the end of the December, 1453 01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:41,479 Speaker 1: my boss's boss's boss and another senior co worker let 1454 01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:45,880 Speaker 1: me hunt their family property. We'll see, that's that's tom 1455 01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:50,679 Speaker 1: hunting your boss's boss's boss's property is trouble. That's trouble. 1456 01:27:51,880 --> 01:27:53,679 Speaker 1: I hope that's not where this is going. But boy, 1457 01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,840 Speaker 1: you want to you don't want to get work and 1458 01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,200 Speaker 1: hunting tangle. There's too many emotions, hey go on. By 1459 01:28:01,240 --> 01:28:03,840 Speaker 1: this point in the season, there weren't many people still 1460 01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,280 Speaker 1: out hunting, so one Sunday I got to enjoy another 1461 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,719 Speaker 1: hunter's permanent blind that they were apparently no longer needing. 1462 01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:12,559 Speaker 1: I had never shot a deer before, and this being 1463 01:28:12,600 --> 01:28:15,599 Speaker 1: Southeast Michigan, I had only ever sat in blinds over 1464 01:28:15,680 --> 01:28:20,040 Speaker 1: bait piles. So so far, just a handful of times, 1465 01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:23,839 Speaker 1: sadly to no avail. My dad's old wing Master, loaded 1466 01:28:23,840 --> 01:28:27,360 Speaker 1: with old slugg arounds, and it was unchanged since the 1467 01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:32,439 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, but no less reliable. Sometime around three pm, 1468 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,880 Speaker 1: a doe what I would later with the benefit of 1469 01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:37,000 Speaker 1: experience relies, was probably a one and a half year 1470 01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:40,280 Speaker 1: old deer came furiously bounding towards me down the two 1471 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:42,920 Speaker 1: track that led up to the side of the wooden 1472 01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,559 Speaker 1: box blind. I don't remember if I deliberated, justified, or 1473 01:28:46,600 --> 01:28:50,360 Speaker 1: just reacted, but I shot at just a slight downward 1474 01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:54,440 Speaker 1: angle where the narrow path kinked. If it reacted physically, 1475 01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,800 Speaker 1: I missed the queue. All my untrained eyes followed was 1476 01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:00,960 Speaker 1: its steady retreat up the rutted road around the curve 1477 01:29:01,240 --> 01:29:04,559 Speaker 1: and out of sight. What laid beyond the bend was 1478 01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:07,639 Speaker 1: a proper dirt road and a field filled with scrap 1479 01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,880 Speaker 1: and debris. I took a moment to collect myself, believing 1480 01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,320 Speaker 1: I'd screwed up because it hadn't dropped immediately in its tracks. 1481 01:29:14,720 --> 01:29:18,200 Speaker 1: I safetied my shotgun and stepped out into the stale, 1482 01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:23,400 Speaker 1: gray afternoon twilight. Approaching the rutted, depressed trail, I immediately 1483 01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:26,559 Speaker 1: spotted what looked like drops of blood good news. It 1484 01:29:26,760 --> 01:29:30,840 Speaker 1: was a lot of blood. Actually, I couldn't believe it, 1485 01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:33,000 Speaker 1: but a clear trail was visible leading up to the 1486 01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,080 Speaker 1: two tracks and towards the private farm road I'd followed 1487 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:40,000 Speaker 1: to get here. I launched ahead, focused on the blood, 1488 01:29:40,120 --> 01:29:43,040 Speaker 1: on finding its source and its final stroke of color, 1489 01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:48,160 Speaker 1: now only imitating life on the crusted, weak old snow. 1490 01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,320 Speaker 1: When I got to the road, the trail disappeared. There 1491 01:29:52,320 --> 01:29:54,439 Speaker 1: were three main directions that could have gone, but a 1492 01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:57,680 Speaker 1: lack of obvious tracks and blood made me distrustful of 1493 01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:01,599 Speaker 1: the easy paths. The swam was my fear, and even 1494 01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:04,759 Speaker 1: worse houses. Eventually, on the far side of that swamp, 1495 01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:08,920 Speaker 1: at a momentary loss, I called my coworker, who owned 1496 01:30:08,920 --> 01:30:11,080 Speaker 1: the property, and told him what was what had happened. 1497 01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:14,640 Speaker 1: He said he'd be there when he could. They were 1498 01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:16,559 Speaker 1: at the other end of the property, helping another hunter 1499 01:30:16,680 --> 01:30:18,960 Speaker 1: get a deer out of a steep ravine it had 1500 01:30:19,000 --> 01:30:21,840 Speaker 1: expired in. By the time I saw their headlights, it 1501 01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,599 Speaker 1: was after sundown. I walked my coworker and the sun 1502 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:27,160 Speaker 1: down the path to where it abruptly ended, and the 1503 01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:29,679 Speaker 1: three of us spent an hour and a half trying 1504 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:33,479 Speaker 1: to track the trail again. It had rain and sleeated 1505 01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:35,639 Speaker 1: a little in the meantime, and the blood didn't look 1506 01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:38,479 Speaker 1: as fresh as it did in the daylight. I had 1507 01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:40,760 Speaker 1: to leave, but my co workers said he'd check again 1508 01:30:40,800 --> 01:30:44,400 Speaker 1: in the morning. I told my boss's boss's boss what happened, 1509 01:30:44,920 --> 01:30:47,880 Speaker 1: and he said it'd be all right. I can never. 1510 01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:50,719 Speaker 1: I just can never hunt with my boss's boss's boss. 1511 01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:53,439 Speaker 1: There's just two. I can't do it. Phil would be 1512 01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:55,400 Speaker 1: too many emotions going on. I don't want to shoot 1513 01:30:55,400 --> 01:30:57,280 Speaker 1: the wrong deer. I don't want to be made to 1514 01:30:57,360 --> 01:30:59,479 Speaker 1: look like an idiot. And I feel like Tom has 1515 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:04,000 Speaker 1: headed that direction here because so far it's not. It's 1516 01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,760 Speaker 1: pretty sharp, everything seems fine, you know. I'm I'm wait. 1517 01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:10,160 Speaker 1: I'm waiting for the drop off here. Yeah, I lived 1518 01:31:10,160 --> 01:31:12,240 Speaker 1: about an hour away, but it just so happened. The 1519 01:31:12,280 --> 01:31:14,759 Speaker 1: next day, Monday, was the start of a company planning 1520 01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:18,720 Speaker 1: retreat held at a resort upstate. My co worker wasn't 1521 01:31:18,760 --> 01:31:21,280 Speaker 1: required to be there until Wednesday and lived on the 1522 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,639 Speaker 1: expanse of property, so I didn't feel too bad about 1523 01:31:23,720 --> 01:31:27,599 Speaker 1: leaving the investigation in his hands, especially since there didn't 1524 01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:29,840 Speaker 1: seem to be a trail to follow in the first place, 1525 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:32,680 Speaker 1: a mystery that would rob me of all but a 1526 01:31:32,720 --> 01:31:36,400 Speaker 1: few hours of sleep that night. You'll and you'll figure 1527 01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:38,160 Speaker 1: this out. Phil. When you have a wounded animal out 1528 01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:39,840 Speaker 1: in the woods and you have no idea what to do, 1529 01:31:41,000 --> 01:31:43,960 Speaker 1: it's desperate, especially if your new hunter like this guy. 1530 01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,080 Speaker 1: The next day passed without any word from the coworker, 1531 01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:51,160 Speaker 1: and then not in My stomach continued to grow. After dinner, 1532 01:31:51,439 --> 01:31:54,280 Speaker 1: the Big Boss arrived, coming from a day of meeting 1533 01:31:54,280 --> 01:31:58,400 Speaker 1: with board members. The evening presentation was midpower point, and 1534 01:31:58,520 --> 01:32:01,240 Speaker 1: seeing me after he stepped through the big double doors, 1535 01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:04,240 Speaker 1: he waved and beckoned me over, still standing in front 1536 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,880 Speaker 1: of the only easy excit in his winter gear, a 1537 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:09,880 Speaker 1: serious and dare I say, ominous look on his face. 1538 01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:14,320 Speaker 1: That wasn't a deer you shot? Time stood still, My 1539 01:32:14,360 --> 01:32:17,840 Speaker 1: mind raised fight or flight itself became a lie. I 1540 01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,200 Speaker 1: was frozen in place, unable to defend or retreat. Did 1541 01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:25,479 Speaker 1: I shoot a dog a person? Did the gun jerk 1542 01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:27,679 Speaker 1: high and overshoot the depressed spot in the past, sending 1543 01:32:27,720 --> 01:32:31,519 Speaker 1: me a rifle slab up into their fragile yonder before 1544 01:32:31,520 --> 01:32:33,559 Speaker 1: I could run away, dye my hair and change my name. 1545 01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:39,120 Speaker 1: My boss's Boss's boss continued, Schmidte shot a dough out 1546 01:32:39,160 --> 01:32:41,920 Speaker 1: of the blind Saturday evening. He backed his truck up 1547 01:32:41,960 --> 01:32:44,920 Speaker 1: to load it. The trail of blood drops you saw 1548 01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:48,240 Speaker 1: were just trips from his tailgate as he drove out 1549 01:32:48,479 --> 01:32:52,160 Speaker 1: on the road. I don't know how long the pause was, 1550 01:32:52,280 --> 01:32:54,439 Speaker 1: but the first noise I could muster was to laugh 1551 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,559 Speaker 1: loudly and inappropriately, laugh at myself and a complete and 1552 01:32:58,640 --> 01:33:02,960 Speaker 1: utter relief I wouldn't have to flee to Canada. Later 1553 01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:04,960 Speaker 1: that season, I got my first year, and I've never 1554 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:08,080 Speaker 1: stopped trying to learn all I can, spending countless hours 1555 01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:10,559 Speaker 1: in the woods, with many highs and lows show for it. 1556 01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,880 Speaker 1: I don't know how many people my co workers I've 1557 01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:15,599 Speaker 1: shared this story with, but no matter what, the relief 1558 01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,240 Speaker 1: like waking up from a bad dream, will always outweigh 1559 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:23,320 Speaker 1: any embarrassment from my not so sharp moment. Tom Spring 1560 01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:28,320 Speaker 1: play the jingle Phil sh not so sharp moment, so 1561 01:33:28,680 --> 01:33:37,000 Speaker 1: you don't have to I feel like that was okay. 1562 01:33:37,360 --> 01:33:40,800 Speaker 1: That wasn't that was mildly not so sharp. Sure, I 1563 01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:44,639 Speaker 1: mean there was some shoddy detective work, um, but besides that, 1564 01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,519 Speaker 1: you know nothing to be embarrassed about. I'll give it 1565 01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:51,479 Speaker 1: this there. It was not a poop story, so that's 1566 01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:56,080 Speaker 1: that's what you'll give it. And grading is ingrading its effectiveness. 1567 01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,040 Speaker 1: Tom's story did not involve poop, even though we're talking 1568 01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:03,200 Speaker 1: about it now, so it kind of did. Thank you, Tom. 1569 01:34:03,240 --> 01:34:05,120 Speaker 1: And if you have some time time, go to work 1570 01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:07,439 Speaker 1: Sharp's YouTube page. They have weekly hot tips on how 1571 01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,599 Speaker 1: to keep things sharp everything in your life, from access 1572 01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,679 Speaker 1: to knives on down the line. And you're gonna get 1573 01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:17,040 Speaker 1: a work Sharp field sharpener for all your troubles. And 1574 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:21,120 Speaker 1: again we're gonna try to keep these things clean going forward. 1575 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:25,759 Speaker 1: They're not so sharp moments as we enter the fall months, certainly, 1576 01:34:26,320 --> 01:34:30,120 Speaker 1: all right, before we go, I gotta tell you, um, 1577 01:34:30,280 --> 01:34:32,400 Speaker 1: this entire time, I had a couple of white claws, 1578 01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,120 Speaker 1: but then I made a salty Gilbert. So now I'm 1579 01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,680 Speaker 1: sipping on a salty Gilbert. Phil It's the only way 1580 01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,599 Speaker 1: I can really get through this day. It's been a 1581 01:34:38,600 --> 01:34:42,120 Speaker 1: tough Dayyboddy. So I've got something. I've got something that 1582 01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,439 Speaker 1: might cheer you up a little bit more. Um, have 1583 01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:48,519 Speaker 1: you been to the office recently since before they we 1584 01:34:48,520 --> 01:34:52,080 Speaker 1: started construction? Uh? No, I left something on your desk, 1585 01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:55,600 Speaker 1: which means it probably got moved somewhere, but I just 1586 01:34:55,600 --> 01:34:59,840 Speaker 1: wanted to shout out Mike and Andrea, who run Freestone 1587 01:34:59,880 --> 01:35:03,280 Speaker 1: to Designs. It's a T shirt printing clothing printing company 1588 01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:05,639 Speaker 1: here in Bozeman. They sent us a couple of T shirts. Oh, 1589 01:35:05,680 --> 01:35:09,479 Speaker 1: they did, they did. Uh, it's pretty pretty cool design. 1590 01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:13,439 Speaker 1: It's got there's a bear, he's wearing sunglasses. He's floating 1591 01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:16,960 Speaker 1: on a tube in some sort of body of water, 1592 01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:23,360 Speaker 1: drinking a white cloth. Uh. It says getting clawd in Montana. Perfect. 1593 01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:26,280 Speaker 1: That's waiting for you somewhere in the office if it 1594 01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:32,639 Speaker 1: hasn't been stolen by a contractor who was punching out. Yeah. 1595 01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,000 Speaker 1: If I see like a construction guy dressed in one 1596 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,519 Speaker 1: of these T shirts, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be upset. 1597 01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:41,920 Speaker 1: But I will say, you know, by the bye um 1598 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:45,599 Speaker 1: White Claw probably is never gonna sponsor me. I've I've 1599 01:35:45,600 --> 01:35:48,679 Speaker 1: sent him a few messages, We've inquired the professional channels. 1600 01:35:48,880 --> 01:35:53,559 Speaker 1: It just doesn't look promising. But the fact that Element 1601 01:35:53,840 --> 01:35:58,640 Speaker 1: has brought their own salty recharged to the table to 1602 01:35:58,720 --> 01:36:00,559 Speaker 1: include with my white club makes me good about what 1603 01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm drinking. Uh, and the salty right now, if you 1604 01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:08,680 Speaker 1: can hear the ice of my glass. The salty, beautiful 1605 01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:12,559 Speaker 1: mango reach arge is just really helping me out. Phil. 1606 01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:14,719 Speaker 1: You know, I've been having one of those Element reacharges 1607 01:36:14,720 --> 01:36:19,080 Speaker 1: pretty much every day since you Well, that's good times. 1608 01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:22,280 Speaker 1: Well Phil, I'm gonna enjoy this cocktail. We're gonna let 1609 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:26,479 Speaker 1: everybody go. But if you have your work sharp field 1610 01:36:26,479 --> 01:36:28,360 Speaker 1: sharpen or if you're feeling sharp, you've gotta also go 1611 01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:32,200 Speaker 1: to drink Element dot com, slash meat eater, drink l 1612 01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,120 Speaker 1: m nt dot com slash meat eater, check out everything 1613 01:36:36,160 --> 01:36:40,320 Speaker 1: Element does they support us? Please support them. We can't 1614 01:36:40,320 --> 01:36:42,400 Speaker 1: do this without our sponsors. We can't do this with 1615 01:36:42,479 --> 01:36:45,479 Speaker 1: that Element, So hit that website up. There's some pictures 1616 01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:48,599 Speaker 1: of me drinking stuff there and hunting. You're gonna love that. 1617 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:52,040 Speaker 1: Um and again we have a website, which is amazing 1618 01:36:52,080 --> 01:36:53,679 Speaker 1: to me that anyone would want to put my picture 1619 01:36:53,720 --> 01:36:57,120 Speaker 1: on anything, let alone an internet website. So go there. 1620 01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:01,240 Speaker 1: Support our sponsors, particularly our friend that work sharp an 1621 01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:05,479 Speaker 1: Element Tea, Keep us hydrated, keep us sharp. So we'll 1622 01:37:05,479 --> 01:37:10,200 Speaker 1: see you next time. Phil, say bye bye goodbye. You know, 1623 01:37:10,640 --> 01:37:16,360 Speaker 1: because I can't go a week without doing run, oh 1624 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:26,599 Speaker 1: without absolutely run absolutely draking,