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Speaker 1: Hi, guys, Nancy Grace here, welcome back to Killers amongst Us,

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Speaker 1: the production of iHeart Media and Crime Online. What happened

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Speaker 1: to Karina Vatronto? Absolutely stunning the jogger who goes for

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Speaker 1: a jog this one day without her a dad, firefighter

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Speaker 1: feel Va Toronto and tragedy befalls her. Nancy Grace Killers

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Speaker 1: amongst us right now, more questions than answers. Her dad

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Speaker 1: a sense of foreboding coming over him, literally thinks he

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Speaker 1: hears Karina's calling out for dad. Daddy goes looking for her,

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Speaker 1: and of all the cops, the helicopters, the dogs, it's

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Speaker 1: her dad, Feel the Toronto that finds Corina's body, Joining

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Speaker 1: me right now. Corina's father, Phil Va Toronto, also with me.

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Speaker 1: Tony to Stephano reported with Newsday, Phil, you were just

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Speaker 1: describing how you want to explain what you found, and

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Speaker 1: you know, at first, I Jackie and I called Tony

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Speaker 1: to Stephano with news Day and said, listen, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: have you describe the condition of Corina's body because I

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Speaker 1: don't want to put Phil through that and then he'll

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Speaker 1: join us. We told Phil and he said, no, I

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Speaker 1: want to be there I want to hear this. Then

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Speaker 1: you went on to tell me something incredible, ill that

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Speaker 1: you actually go to this location every day. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's really moving me to tears, because, as I've told

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Speaker 1: you in the past, to this day, I have not

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Speaker 1: gone back to where my fiancee was murdered. I don't

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Speaker 1: even know if I could find it now out in

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Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, but you go every day. Phil

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Speaker 1: the trying to explain that to me. Well, I built

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Speaker 1: a memorial for my daughter. I built it out of

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Speaker 1: cobblestone and blue stone. Everything that I built it out

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Speaker 1: of was found on the trail that she ran. I

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Speaker 1: dug it up out of the ground myself, and we

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Speaker 1: made a memorial, and I planted sunflowers and rows bushes

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Speaker 1: and daffodils and butterfly bushes. And I go there and

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Speaker 1: I have bird feeders and I sit there and I

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Speaker 1: listen to nature, and I watched the cardinals and the birds,

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Speaker 1: and I feel at peace. And you would ask me,

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Speaker 1: how could that be? Maybe because that's the only place

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Speaker 1: that I feel like I have any control. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm just sitting there and I'm I'm communicating with my daughter.

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Speaker 1: I'm communicating with Karina and those That is the place

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Speaker 1: where I get thoughts in my head to do things.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say messages from Karina, but they kind

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Speaker 1: of are messages from Karina, and I feel obligated to

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Speaker 1: visit there every single day. You know, you are making

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Speaker 1: me feel like a big loser because I know I've

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Speaker 1: never read the trial transcript. I've never read the appeal.

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Speaker 1: I did not want to hear about the sentencing nothing

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Speaker 1: after I testified, because it would literally just tear me

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Speaker 1: into well, and you're so brave, I just know, No,

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Speaker 1: everybody deals with tragedy in their own way. Nobody's right

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Speaker 1: and nobody's wrong. You know, you would deal with a

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Speaker 1: tragic situation the way your body will let you survive,

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Speaker 1: and that's how you have to deal with it. And

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Speaker 1: that's how I deal with. Everybody deals with it differently.

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Speaker 1: There is no right and there is no role. You

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Speaker 1: also with me reporter from Newsday, Tony to Stephano, Tony,

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Speaker 1: how did you first become involved in Karina's disappearance. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was the night of the murder. It was a

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Speaker 1: second and we started to get reports from the police

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Speaker 1: that there had been somebody found dead in Spring Creek

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Speaker 1: Park and this was late, This was evolving late, and

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Speaker 1: So I called one of my sources in the police department,

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Speaker 1: the then spokesman, Steve Davis, and he gave me a

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Speaker 1: basic rundown because at that point we didn't know very much.

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Speaker 1: We knew Karina's name, of course, because the family had

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Speaker 1: been notified, and we knew where, but there wasn't much

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Speaker 1: this is late August second of twenty sixteen. That's how

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Speaker 1: did file some material that night, and it didn't make

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Speaker 1: deeply involved in this. This is where I got to

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Speaker 1: know the Patrano family, Phil and Cathy and well, you know,

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Speaker 1: taking in what you've told me, and it's amazing even

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Speaker 1: just then and feel when Tony to Stephano with us

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Speaker 1: day was talking and he said the word murder, And

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Speaker 1: as we're talking, I am looking right at a picture

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know if I still, to this day,

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Speaker 1: three years later, have fully taken in the magnitude of

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Speaker 1: what had happened, because from the minute it happened, we

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Speaker 1: were involved. I was involved with the police investigation. I

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Speaker 1: was involved with the familiar DNA searching. It never went away,

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Speaker 1: so we will always involved with something to do with

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Speaker 1: the case. And now I have my mind has shifted.

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Speaker 1: It has gone from a place of total rage and

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Speaker 1: for the murderer that killed my daughter, But I am

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Speaker 1: no longer angry at the world, and I'm accepting what

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Speaker 1: had happened as faith. I have become very spiritual since

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Speaker 1: I'm just protecting my mind from exploding, but I believe

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Speaker 1: it was kismid. I believe that there is a time

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Speaker 1: and a place that everyone is going to go, and

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Speaker 1: no matter what you do, you're not going to alter that.

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Speaker 1: So by me accepting that, yeah, this is what was

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Speaker 1: going to happen from the minute she was conceived, it

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Speaker 1: protects me, It helps me. So that's Phil tells us

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Speaker 1: that he called Karina multiple times and didn't get an answer,

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Speaker 1: then he goes looking for her. Listen to our friend

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Speaker 1: at ABC, Tim Fly heartwrenching, absolutely heart wrenching the testimony

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Speaker 1: of his father as he describes finding his daughter's body.

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Speaker 1: After calling three times, he went to Spring Creek Park

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Speaker 1: they honed in on an area thick with weeds and

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Speaker 1: She was there, I found her. He described how she

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Speaker 1: wife Cathy, holding a crucifix, along with other family members

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Speaker 1: crying in the gallery. He told the jury I knew

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Speaker 1: as he told him he had to take her home.

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Speaker 1: He went to tell his wife. I didn't have to

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Speaker 1: pictures of his daughter. Phil Vatronto sobbed and said this

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Speaker 1: is how he found his daughter pilatronto. That moment that

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Speaker 1: you found Carina, I know was in your mind forever.

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Speaker 1: You are part of law enforcement. What was the condition

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't remember any of that,

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Speaker 1: Karina Vatronto, the beautiful jogger, was beaten so hard by

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Speaker 1: her attack her her teeth actually broke. And I'm thinking

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Speaker 1: she clawed at her attacker's face as he beat her

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Speaker 1: to Karina Vatronto, Well, they were, as you just even

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Speaker 1: you know, you have this pretty Italian American girl, dark hair,

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Speaker 1: pictures you say, boy, this was this was some brutal attack.

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Speaker 1: This was not just a glancing blow. This was a

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Speaker 1: through ten rounds with somebody with me now, the medical

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Speaker 1: renowned medical examiner, Dotor Gallagher, thank you for spending time

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Speaker 1: with us. You know, I recall many times that Phil

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Speaker 1: Vatranto has stated that his daughter Corina's smile was quote perfect.

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Speaker 1: but it's also you know, sad. With me Fiel the

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Speaker 1: Toronto and Tony DeStefano reporter with the news dad Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace signing all good bye, fend