WEBVTT - VH-1: MTV for Your Parents

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck and this is Stuff you should know. The Adult Contemporary.

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<v Speaker 1>Edition Video Hits one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, did you remember? That's what the VH did for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think that's I think they ran that

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<v Speaker 1>little thing. I just did. I think that was their

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<v Speaker 1>thing initially. I don't know, I seem to. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if I just made that up or not, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's something that's stuck in my brain

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<v Speaker 1>from the old days.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, from what this research show, that's exactly the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing they would have run for like the

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<v Speaker 2>first ten years.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Probably. And this is on VH one, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>And it's going to be a great warm up for

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<v Speaker 1>the long awaited Judas Priest show tonight that I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 2>Well is that tonight awesome? Man? I hope you have

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<v Speaker 2>a bitch in time. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It should be some fun people watching and some good music.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you gonna smoke PCP in the parking lot like

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<v Speaker 2>that documentary?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you know it, baby, I got my I ordered

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<v Speaker 1>some PCP online and it came in a box labeled

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<v Speaker 1>PCP okay, And I opened it up and it said

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<v Speaker 1>take two PCPs for best results.

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<v Speaker 2>You go.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think I'm good.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds legit to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think I'm all set.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I have a great time. That's cool. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>get in touch with Nita Strauss?

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<v Speaker 1>No? No, she may not be stuff you should know

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<v Speaker 1>person anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, try waving to her from the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>It's me.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe when you're on PCP you'll just crawl on to stage.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe you never know. I'm gonna take the recommended too,

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<v Speaker 1>So who knows what's gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about VH one, which is basically the

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<v Speaker 2>opposite of PCP. Yeah, as everyone knows. Who's ever seen

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<v Speaker 2>VA one actually if you were around, and it debuted

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<v Speaker 2>back in nineteen eighty five. It's just like the older, mellower,

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<v Speaker 2>more well again adult contemporary version of MTV, and it

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<v Speaker 2>bears a striking resemblance because it was launched by the

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<v Speaker 2>same company that launched MTV that hold Werner Brothers, Amex Weirdness. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>And the one of the big reasons they launched VH

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<v Speaker 2>one is because they really wanted to put one of

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<v Speaker 2>their competitors, Ted Turner's cable music channel in the ground permanently.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I guess this was before, you know, because

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<v Speaker 1>they eventually bought them out. If you remember from the

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<v Speaker 1>MTV episode. I do remember I was talking to dear listener.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's ok. Oh, I see when I address you,

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<v Speaker 1>I address you as your leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, I appreciate that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so this was before they bought them out, clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>because they were essentially saying, hey, cable companies, if you

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<v Speaker 1>want another music video station, don't go by Turner's thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just take VH one for free. If you're getting MTV,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just throw it in.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Before Video Hits one, it was value ad Hits one. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And honestly, what got me about researching this was

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<v Speaker 1>they follow similar paths as far as music videos turned

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<v Speaker 1>into original programming. But I dare say that VH one

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<v Speaker 1>did a better job and stayed more relevant in the

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<v Speaker 1>long run.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, yeah, for sure. I mean you can make a

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<v Speaker 2>case it's still quite relevant. It's definitely changed its mission dramatically,

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<v Speaker 2>but MTV changed its mission as well. And yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 2>VH one still relevant. There's no better word to put it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think they ended up having much bigger shows

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<v Speaker 1>when they started doing their original shows and MTV had.

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<v Speaker 2>For sure, and as we'll see every once while, MTV

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<v Speaker 2>likes to still poach them because even though VH one

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<v Speaker 2>is more relevant, I get the impression that MTV v

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<v Speaker 2>is still more powerful in that company.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm curious with the dynamic there.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's find out anyone who works at MTV or VH

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<v Speaker 2>one let us know.

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<v Speaker 1>But like you said, it started out just a few

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<v Speaker 1>years later and was you know they launched with Marvin

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<v Speaker 1>Gaye singing the National anthem and then Diana Ross and

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<v Speaker 1>the very mellower. Well, I guess you lost that love

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling was always mellow. But I feel like Daryl

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<v Speaker 1>holland John Oates even made it even sort of cornier.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh you wanted to hear corny?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I was listening to some beautiful music on YouTube this

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<v Speaker 2>morning as I was studying, Yeah, and I heard a

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<v Speaker 2>instrumental musaic version of Gordon Lightfoot Sundown, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>Chuck would love this one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I probably would have, because every.

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<v Speaker 2>Time I hear that song, I hear you doing your

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<v Speaker 2>impression of it where you're just like mumbling the words. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, boy, that's when Canada turned against me personally. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and they forgave me. We made up.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it was actually a pretty solid lineup. The

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<v Speaker 2>fourth video that they showed was John Lennon's Nobody Told

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<v Speaker 2>Me So. That's not a bad way to kick off

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<v Speaker 2>a new video channel. And I was looking through the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the I think first ten or twenty or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just hit after hit and the VJs

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<v Speaker 2>that they had again, this is the older sibling or

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even like parent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like people in their thirties watched vach one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>really old people.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, people that David Bowie clearly said you couldn't trust

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<v Speaker 2>any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>That was who the VJs were. They were untrustworthy former

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<v Speaker 2>radio vet's like don Imus.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Imus was air Frankie Crocker Bowser from Seannahah, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The best VJ I think of all.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>So. There was also a guy named Scott Shannon who

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<v Speaker 2>we can thank for creating the Morning Zoo radio show

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<v Speaker 2>show format.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh was he the guy?

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<v Speaker 2>He was the guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think his headstone, if he's still around, it

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<v Speaker 2>will eventually say sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And it just has a fart machine that you

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<v Speaker 1>can press.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not a bad idea, that's really not actually. So

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<v Speaker 2>one of the other things that differentiated VH one from

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<v Speaker 2>MTV is that, pretty much out of the gate, you

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<v Speaker 2>can tell from the first two videos, it was much

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<v Speaker 2>more willing to put black artists on its airwaves. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>Like we talked about MTV being like almost flat out

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<v Speaker 2>accused of racism by the head of CBS Records within

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years of its launch, VH one was

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<v Speaker 2>not that. I don't know if they learned the lesson

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<v Speaker 2>or if they were just more into music made by

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<v Speaker 2>black artists than MTV. I'm not sure, but from the

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<v Speaker 2>outset they there was a place where you could see

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<v Speaker 2>more black artists for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also a place for comedy. You know, m

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<v Speaker 1>TV we lauded some of the sort of sketch shows

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<v Speaker 1>and the remote control funny game show. But Rosie O'Donnell

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<v Speaker 1>actually got her start as a VJ on VH one

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty five, and a few years later the

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good stand up show Stand Up Spotlight was on.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was, you know, three or four years before

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<v Speaker 1>the Comedy Channel launch which would eventually become Comedy Central.

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<v Speaker 1>So there wasn't. You know, HBO was doing some stuff,

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<v Speaker 1>but there wasn't a lot of stand up on television

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<v Speaker 1>until VH one.

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<v Speaker 2>No, but apparently there already was the half hour comedy

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<v Speaker 2>hour on MTV, which I had totally forgotten about. But

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<v Speaker 2>do you remember that?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that was a good hower comedy Hour.

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<v Speaker 2>And then I guess HBO already still had some stuff too,

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<v Speaker 2>but for the most part, there wasn't It wasn't crowded

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<v Speaker 2>at all. Rosie O'Donnell was an innovator in that sense

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<v Speaker 2>for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. And then their first sort of big original show,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean stand up Spotlight did pretty well. But my generation,

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<v Speaker 1>I remember in nineteen eighty nine with Peter Noon of

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<v Speaker 1>Herman's Hermits hosting and it was, you know, it was

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<v Speaker 1>just him DJing and spinning records but also sort of

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<v Speaker 1>talking about trivia, kind of like a Turner classic movies

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<v Speaker 1>for boomers pretty much.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I was like Herman's Hermits. I know for

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<v Speaker 2>a fact, I know that band, but I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>what their big hit was. So I was looking all

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<v Speaker 2>over YouTube. I found one of their greatest hits albums,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just had to skip through all the songs yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not it. Never heard that one before. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know who would like this one. And then it finally

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<v Speaker 2>got to something tells me I'm into something good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I know, I knew where your head is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I know that one from the Romantic montage

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<v Speaker 2>and Naked Gun, that's right, And that's my Herman's Hermit story.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, these videos that they were playing on my generation,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of them were just old sort of when

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<v Speaker 1>they did promotional videos before the true music video format

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<v Speaker 1>came out. But they also played new stuff. There was

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of Michael Bolton and crossover stuff. It also was

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<v Speaker 1>playing on MTV, the VH one. Would you know plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of Rod Stewart obviously, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Rod Stewart, turns out, was to music videos what Enya

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<v Speaker 2>is to crossword puzzles, right, like Perennial. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>She just popped up again this week in the crossword?

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<v Speaker 2>Did she really?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, it's funny. Yeah, that's it just keeps happening.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty cool. Yeah, I love this ride for her.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>That was kind of a problem though, is because some

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<v Speaker 2>of these acts were already past their prime when they

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<v Speaker 2>were showing videos on VH one. They hadn't made videos.

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<v Speaker 2>They were they were Their prime came before that whole

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<v Speaker 2>marketing tool that we talked about in the MTV episode.

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<v Speaker 2>So they would have to piece together things like concert

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<v Speaker 2>footage or like you said, maybe even like TV appearances

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<v Speaker 2>or something like that, and just basically make like a

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<v Speaker 2>an edited version to make a music video for a

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<v Speaker 2>particular song. So they VH one was kind of hamstrung

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<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways right out of the gate.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's all because Peter Noon demanded it right

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<v Speaker 1>the tyrant.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, he was quite a tyrant. Everyone knows that. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't even have to know the song. Something tells me

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<v Speaker 2>I'm into something good to know that Peter Noon was

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<v Speaker 2>a tyrant.

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<v Speaker 1>Mid nineties, they found themselves floundering a bit, though, because

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<v Speaker 1>they never really got an identity outside of being sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the you know, you know, if you were an

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<v Speaker 1>MTV kid, you thought VH one was kind of boring

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like the stuff your parents might be into,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a little more square. And that's not an identity, no, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, but that's not an identity that you want

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<v Speaker 1>to claim. So they had like a mishmash of different

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<v Speaker 1>shows going on. They had a show called Archives that

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<v Speaker 1>was just kind of rebroadcasting old TV interviews that they

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<v Speaker 1>I guess had rights to m and so, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they just lacked an identity aside from being square. And

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<v Speaker 1>they also had the same pressures that MTV had when

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<v Speaker 1>with competition coming in and so much so that cable

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<v Speaker 1>operators were like, I don't like, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>even though it's free, I don't want it anymore. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>So they were trying to get rid of VH one,

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<v Speaker 1>you know actively, I think the biggest cable operator in

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<v Speaker 1>the country at the time, Telecommunications Inc. They were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even want this free thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, for free, that's pretty sad. That's that's not good. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a dude named John Sykes who essentially saved

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<v Speaker 2>VH one.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Also iHeart media executive, is he? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well, congratulations John Sykes, because he definitely turned VH

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<v Speaker 2>one around. He was what you would call a good hire. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>because in nineteen ninety four they brought him on and

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<v Speaker 2>he so changed VH one for the better that in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety five their subscriber base was forty nine million households.

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<v Speaker 2>Three years later it was up to sixty two million households.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what they call the Sykes effect.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, and he'd walk out of the room and

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<v Speaker 1>say you got pyched. They started new original music programming,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was really part of the big rebranding effort

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<v Speaker 1>that was so successful. Top ten Countdown in ninety four.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually Top twenty Countdown was sort of the big first one.

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<v Speaker 1>But in nineteen ninety six they really really hit it

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<v Speaker 1>big pop culturally with a little show called pop Up Video.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes I remember watching this and it was one of

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<v Speaker 2>the things about it. So pop up video if you've

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<v Speaker 2>never seen it. They would just show music videos, but

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<v Speaker 2>then there were these little kind of like cartoon word

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<v Speaker 2>bubbles would pop up with some random fact about the artist,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a little trivia, something about music history or and

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<v Speaker 2>this is I think what captured everybody, some sort of

0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:57.360
<v Speaker 2>juicy little bit of gossip or random weirdness that had

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<v Speaker 2>to do with that specific video. And the two guys

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<v Speaker 2>who were behind it, Woody Thompson and Ted Lowe, Apparently

0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:09.600
<v Speaker 2>they got pushed back from the parent company because the

0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.760
<v Speaker 2>parent company also owned Blockbuster, and they knew from owning Blockbuster,

0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:17.960
<v Speaker 2>foreign films didn't go anywhere because people didn't like subtitles. Yeah,

0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:20.120
<v Speaker 2>so they were like, no one's gonna want to read anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were very wrong because in large part Thompson

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<v Speaker 2>and Lowe were good writers. So this kind of became

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<v Speaker 2>known for being a much smarter show than you would

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<v Speaker 2>guess it would be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was very clever and a huge, huge hit.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I remember watching it. I don't remember like setting

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<v Speaker 1>my calendar to sit around and make sure I knew

0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.520
<v Speaker 1>and when it was on, but I definitely found myself

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<v Speaker 1>watching it quite a bit. It was a fun show.

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<v Speaker 1>Storytellers came out in nineteen ninety six, which was clearly

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<v Speaker 1>aimed at the kind of you know, younger boomer maybe

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<v Speaker 1>older gen X generation, because they just had classic rock

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<v Speaker 1>artists after classic rock artists in an intimate setting, singing songs,

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<v Speaker 1>telling stories about the writing of those songs. Very very

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<v Speaker 1>popular show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And anytime I think of Storytellers, I think of

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<v Speaker 2>the Saturday Night Live skit with Neil Diamond.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I saw that.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh it was Will Ferrell as Neil Diamond, and he

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<v Speaker 2>is just off the rails. At one point he says

0:14:20.880 --> 0:14:24.120
<v Speaker 2>he's on some dynamite pills. Got his keyboard as Kenny

0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.640
<v Speaker 2>gave him, and he at one point he said, I

0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:29.920
<v Speaker 2>will smack you in the mouth. I'm Neil Diamond, And

0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.880
<v Speaker 2>it was just bizarre that he made this Neil Diamond character.

0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:37.360
<v Speaker 2>But the ironic part of is Neil Diamond was never

0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:38.760
<v Speaker 2>on storytellers.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Well, maybe that's how they got away with it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's worth going back and seeing. Man, it's an all

0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:45.880
<v Speaker 2>time great sketch.

0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:49.040
<v Speaker 1>Better than Robert Gulay. That's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, one hundred times, maybe one hundred and twenty five.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, you did the mask.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Legends was another big show that came out that same year,

0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:01.840
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety six. This just straight up rock dock stuff,

0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:07.560
<v Speaker 1>pretty you know, straightforward, one hour documentary style. Again, you know,

0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:11.040
<v Speaker 1>artists like Bowie and Retha Franklin, and you know, the

0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:13.760
<v Speaker 1>clash was in there. I mean, you know, still aimed

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<v Speaker 1>at that audience. They knew what their bread and butter was,

0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.400
<v Speaker 1>but they started making kind of good shows to support it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And one reason that John Sykes kind of brought

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<v Speaker 2>it back to music videos and then made all this

0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:29.080
<v Speaker 2>original music programming is the Boomers to start and then

0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.280
<v Speaker 2>eventually jen X followed in their footsteps. They kept buying

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<v Speaker 2>new music, like they kept listening to music into their

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<v Speaker 2>thirties and forties. Previous generations hadn't done that, Like, apparently

0:15:40.640 --> 0:15:43.160
<v Speaker 2>you were done with music when you turn thirty because

0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.440
<v Speaker 2>life sucked and it was serious, and you were in

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<v Speaker 2>black and white and if you were a woman, you

0:15:46.920 --> 0:15:49.000
<v Speaker 2>were an apron all day. If you were a man,

0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.600
<v Speaker 2>you just drank scotch all day. You just didn't listen

0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.400
<v Speaker 2>to music after a certain point and that changed. So

0:15:55.800 --> 0:15:58.640
<v Speaker 2>it made sense that you would kind of target those

0:15:58.680 --> 0:16:02.240
<v Speaker 2>generations because they also had the most pocket money or

0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:03.280
<v Speaker 2>spending money too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I mean new music. That is like the

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<v Speaker 1>mad Men. Guys listened to the whatever Artie Shaw or

0:16:11.440 --> 0:16:14.760
<v Speaker 1>the whatever orchestra. But there were no guys in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen fifties in their thirties saying like, what's what's what's

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<v Speaker 1>new out there?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>What can you turn me on to?

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<v Speaker 2>I remember one of the more disappointing moments I've ever

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<v Speaker 2>had in relation to my father was going through his

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<v Speaker 2>old record collection and the artist he had the most

0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.400
<v Speaker 2>forty fives of was Jackie Gleason.

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<v Speaker 1>Somehow, at least your dad had records My dad didn't

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<v Speaker 1>even listen to music hardly.

0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Your dad made his own music and his jeep on

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<v Speaker 2>a CB.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's true. It was weird, had a weird family.

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<v Speaker 2>He had an old Convoy soundtrack going.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true. He would get I think I mentioned he

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<v Speaker 1>would get obsessed with like a song and that's it,

0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:57.760
<v Speaker 1>and he'd say, hey, Scott, go record that like seventeen

0:16:57.800 --> 0:16:59.680
<v Speaker 1>times in a row on on a tape for me

0:17:00.800 --> 0:17:02.480
<v Speaker 1>in Scotty to listen to the seats.

0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.119
<v Speaker 2>Here's your tape of Hot Blooded seventeen times.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety seven was when it really hit the big time

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<v Speaker 1>with behind the music. I think Olivia helped us out

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<v Speaker 1>with this went along with the MTV article and she

0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:21.720
<v Speaker 1>aptly calls it legends evil twin because these were one

0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:24.959
<v Speaker 1>hour documentaries, but they were. It got known very quickly

0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:29.040
<v Speaker 1>for being very melodramatic and very juicy with like the dirt,

0:17:29.520 --> 0:17:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the stories about what happened, you know, the real gossipy.

0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Stuff, lurid even I think in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it ran for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>It did ninety seven to I think twenty fourteen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the ones, one of the very famous episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>But they had a ton of episodes from bands from

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<v Speaker 2>Megadeth to Bette Midler to Notorious Big Yeah. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that really kind of infiltrated pop culture though,

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<v Speaker 2>was Life Garrett.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like a teen idol in the seventies and

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<v Speaker 2>he was reunited in his Behind the Music with a

0:18:06.280 --> 0:18:09.800
<v Speaker 2>friend who had become paralyzed from a car crash that

0:18:10.080 --> 0:18:13.520
<v Speaker 2>Leif Garrett caused when he was drunk back in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was very melodramatic and very kind of drippy,

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<v Speaker 2>and it just kind of made it out as a meme. Eventually,

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<v Speaker 2>I saw Brian on Family Guy they started one of

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<v Speaker 2>the episodes. Really, he was just sitting there, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>watching Behind the Music and mouthing along word for word

0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.760
<v Speaker 2>with the dialogue between Life Garrett and his friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Shall we take a break?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't expect that, but you know what, I love that.

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<v Speaker 2>You surprised me. So sure.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, it's nineteen ninety seven. We'll be back to

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<v Speaker 1>jump back in time a bit and then go forward

0:18:47.280 --> 0:19:13.760
<v Speaker 1>in time a bit. All right, so we're back. We

0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:15.560
<v Speaker 1>promised to jump back in time, and we have to

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<v Speaker 1>because ninety seven was Behind the Music. But in ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>VH one got into the fashion biz as well as

0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.200
<v Speaker 1>MTV had done with Cindy Crawford. And when they started,

0:19:25.200 --> 0:19:27.679
<v Speaker 1>they partnered up with Vogue magazine to start hosting the

0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.680
<v Speaker 1>annual Fashion Awards, and that is well, it's well known

0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.239
<v Speaker 1>because they did a pretty good job with that as

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<v Speaker 1>far as the ratings go. But that's also where Derek Zulander,

0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:39.280
<v Speaker 1>who we just mentioned. I think in the MTV episode

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<v Speaker 1>he appeared for the first time at the Fashion Awards.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like a pre taped little bit more

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<v Speaker 2>or two minute bit. But in the movie Zoolander, he

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<v Speaker 2>faces his greatest public humiliation at the VH one Fashion Awards.

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<v Speaker 2>So they showed up in the movie, which I just

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<v Speaker 2>watched right, I watched recently, and it holds up. Man,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I bet Ruby would like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I bet too. I would. I would definitely show it

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<v Speaker 2>to her.

0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Is it just her kind of silly?

0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 2>I think it is a very silly movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety seven they launched Save the Music John Sykes. He

0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>was principal for a day at a school in Brooklyn

0:20:17.760 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 1>that had no music program or couldn't get funding, and

0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.000
<v Speaker 1>that still exists. So that's sort of a feather in

0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:24.920
<v Speaker 1>their caps to Save the Music Foundation.

0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I read that they've donated two point eight million

0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.080
<v Speaker 2>recorders to schools across the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Now are you kidding? There's unreal? Are you mocking the recorder?

0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:38.160
<v Speaker 2>Yes? I am chuck.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh. Hey, if you're a recorder maestro out there, just

0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:48.840
<v Speaker 1>keep on doing it. Oh, don't listen to Josh.

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<v Speaker 2>No, don't listen to me, and in fact, listen to

0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:53.560
<v Speaker 2>me for this part. If you would make us a

0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:58.719
<v Speaker 2>music bumper for our ad biaks, that would be awesome.

0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, if you can get it, well, it'll be

0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.320
<v Speaker 1>I wish we could put the call out before this

0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.639
<v Speaker 1>episode came out, because we could put it in this episode.

0:21:07.040 --> 0:21:09.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean we can try.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe I'll do it on the Instagram page. See

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<v Speaker 1>what happened? Okay, all right, moving on to politics, right.

0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, apparently Bill Clinton was a big VH one viewer viewer.

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:22.920
<v Speaker 2>He donated one of his old saxophones to the Save

0:21:23.000 --> 0:21:27.919
<v Speaker 2>the Music program. Yeah, and they also, I guess, in return,

0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:31.520
<v Speaker 2>made a documentary about him, Bill Clinton colon Rock and

0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:34.520
<v Speaker 2>Roll President. This was nineteen ninety seven, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Forget that's right. And they also got into the live

0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:42.679
<v Speaker 1>Business with their very very successful series of Divas concerts.

0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:45.919
<v Speaker 1>The first one was in nineteen ninety eight. I remember

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<v Speaker 1>this being a very big deal.

0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:47.240
<v Speaker 2>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they got Aretha Franklin, Mariah Carey, Shania Twain, Gloria Estefan,

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:54.480
<v Speaker 1>Carol King, and.

0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Who else Celine Dion.

0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, you can't have a Divas concert in ninety

0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.160
<v Speaker 1>eight without Selene and pounding her chest.

0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.640
<v Speaker 2>No, that's a murderer's row of divas.

0:22:03.920 --> 0:22:05.240
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Absolutely so.

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<v Speaker 2>Even despite all of this reprogramming, very very successful and

0:22:09.840 --> 0:22:13.400
<v Speaker 2>popular programming, you could argue that if this wasn't the

0:22:13.520 --> 0:22:16.560
<v Speaker 2>golden era of VH one, it was certainly one of

0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:21.520
<v Speaker 2>the golden eras. Yeah, cable operators were still dropping VH one.

0:22:21.560 --> 0:22:25.000
<v Speaker 2>I guess they hadn't gotten the news yet, right, So

0:22:25.240 --> 0:22:28.240
<v Speaker 2>VH one kind of organizes something similar to I Want

0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.960
<v Speaker 2>My MTV that MTV had used before it started getting

0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:35.240
<v Speaker 2>picked up by cable operators. And they actually staged a

0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:40.440
<v Speaker 2>protest in Denver because the I guess the cable operator

0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:43.280
<v Speaker 2>there had dropped VH one, And they got Don Henley

0:22:43.320 --> 0:22:48.119
<v Speaker 2>and John Mellencamp and Jewel to fly out there and protest,

0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.440
<v Speaker 2>and I guess en route. They were in the air,

0:22:51.600 --> 0:22:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and the cable operator got word of what was about

0:22:53.960 --> 0:22:57.200
<v Speaker 2>to happen, and they agreed to pick VH one back up.

0:22:57.760 --> 0:23:00.720
<v Speaker 1>They're like Don Henley's coming. I want to mess with

0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.679
<v Speaker 1>the hen You definitely don't want to mess with Don Hinley. No,

0:23:04.680 --> 0:23:07.719
<v Speaker 1>they were pretty successful in getting, like you said, all

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:12.080
<v Speaker 1>those viewers back in to the delight of ad salespeople

0:23:12.760 --> 0:23:15.000
<v Speaker 1>because they had that eighteen to forty nine year old

0:23:15.000 --> 0:23:18.920
<v Speaker 1>demographic that is so juicy and everyone knows those are

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<v Speaker 1>the people that have all the bucks, or at least

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:23.879
<v Speaker 1>back then they did, and so they you know, they

0:23:23.920 --> 0:23:26.439
<v Speaker 1>were able to land some big ad dollars. As a

0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.000
<v Speaker 1>resultant were seemingly thriving.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it didn't hurt that there were plenty of

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:33.040
<v Speaker 2>like new artists who were making the kind of music

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:35.520
<v Speaker 2>that would make a little more sense on VH one

0:23:35.600 --> 0:23:40.399
<v Speaker 2>than say MTV, like Natalie Merchant. Celine Dion, as you mentioned,

0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:43.600
<v Speaker 2>was enormous at this time. Yeah, probably would not see

0:23:43.600 --> 0:23:46.960
<v Speaker 2>a Celenion video on MTV, but she was right at

0:23:46.960 --> 0:23:52.120
<v Speaker 2>home on VH one. Yeahlah Bolton, Michael Bolton, alanis probably

0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 2>straddled the two says like the wallflowers or goo goo

0:23:55.840 --> 0:23:56.880
<v Speaker 2>dolls or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Ooh okay, and these.

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Are real deal. I watched some VH one blocks to

0:24:02.359 --> 0:24:05.840
<v Speaker 2>come up with some examples, so all of those had

0:24:05.920 --> 0:24:08.880
<v Speaker 2>videos on VH one. Everybody, that's the kind of research

0:24:08.920 --> 0:24:10.560
<v Speaker 2>you can expect from stuff you should know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think like before dad rock was a term

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:16.400
<v Speaker 1>that was probably the angle what's dead?

0:24:16.520 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 2>I've not heard that before, so what does it cover?

0:24:19.400 --> 0:24:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Dad rock is kind of like, I know, Wilco gets

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:24.880
<v Speaker 1>thrown in there a lot. It's like, you know, kind

0:24:24.880 --> 0:24:27.520
<v Speaker 1>of dudes my age that like used to go to

0:24:27.560 --> 0:24:29.640
<v Speaker 1>all the shows, but now just so I could get

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:33.280
<v Speaker 1>out to Wilco like every year, and you know that

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:33.840
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing.

0:24:33.920 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I saw this meme on Instagram where it's this girl

0:24:37.640 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 2>sitting in a like a stadium seat and she has

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.920
<v Speaker 2>a very unhappy look on her face and it says,

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.879
<v Speaker 2>anyone over forty when the third opening band starts to

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:52.560
<v Speaker 2>set up at nine pm. It's so true, man, It's fine,

0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 2>it just starts too late.

0:24:55.119 --> 0:24:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with you. Shows are starting earlier though. I

0:24:57.720 --> 0:25:00.399
<v Speaker 1>feel like I read that like these legacy shows that

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing, all these olds, they're they're they're getting up

0:25:03.560 --> 0:25:06.359
<v Speaker 1>on stage at like, you know, opening band at seven,

0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>regular band at eight, out out by nine thirty five.

0:25:09.840 --> 0:25:12.560
<v Speaker 2>Hey, we start at seven promptly. If we ever start,

0:25:12.880 --> 0:25:15.040
<v Speaker 2>try to Yeah, if we start later than seven, it's

0:25:15.119 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the venue itself saying please let us hold because we're

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 2>making mad cash at the bar.

0:25:20.440 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. It's actually the audience's fault. Yeah, really, because they're

0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:27.960
<v Speaker 1>like they're not in yet, They're they're just getting here.

0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:29.959
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of traffic. It's actually traffic's fault.

0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.919
<v Speaker 2>And some towns are are worse for it than others.

0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Some some towns are just like, we know, you're not

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:37.040
<v Speaker 2>going to start while we're getting licker. Sorry.

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:41.879
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But like with MTV, they would you know, start

0:25:41.960 --> 0:25:45.080
<v Speaker 1>sort of changing things and rebranding. These are companies that

0:25:45.240 --> 0:25:48.880
<v Speaker 1>just seemingly change the channels, not literally, but change their

0:25:48.880 --> 0:25:51.399
<v Speaker 1>programming a lot, and like the names of the channel

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:53.959
<v Speaker 1>change a lot. Yes, Like you know MTV at MTB

0:25:54.080 --> 0:25:56.399
<v Speaker 1>two and MTV Classic and VH one kind of did

0:25:56.440 --> 0:25:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the same. They had VH one Soul which is now

0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:03.720
<v Speaker 1>Bee tol Et Soul, VH one Smooth, which was more

0:26:03.760 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 1>like Kenny G kind of stuff. But then they're like

0:26:06.440 --> 0:26:09.760
<v Speaker 1>who wants that, Let's change that VH one Classic Rock

0:26:10.040 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 1>and then just VH one Classic and now it's MTV Classic.

0:26:13.320 --> 0:26:16.320
<v Speaker 2>It is quite a ride for that channel. Yeah, yeah,

0:26:16.440 --> 0:26:18.480
<v Speaker 2>VH one smooth. I can't believe that ever made it

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.159
<v Speaker 2>outside of the initial meeting.

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:21.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. True.

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:26.320
<v Speaker 2>So VH one, just like MTV, is like, Okay, if

0:26:26.320 --> 0:26:29.680
<v Speaker 2>we can't hold people's attention from video to video, we

0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:31.600
<v Speaker 2>got to come up with a different kind of show.

0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>And so they stopped playing videos almost it dropped almost

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:40.719
<v Speaker 2>by fifty percent from ninety nine to twenty twelve. Yeah,

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 2>and remember like it had been relaunched in ninety four

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 2>as like VH one Music first, and it just wasn't

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 2>sustainable at the turn of the millennium, right, So they

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 2>started getting into countdown shows. They figured out how they

0:26:54.520 --> 0:26:58.239
<v Speaker 2>could keep showing videos. They just needed to adjust it,

0:26:58.280 --> 0:27:01.720
<v Speaker 2>put them in a certain kind of package that would

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.879
<v Speaker 2>hold your attention a little more. Nothing does that better

0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 2>than a countdown. And they kicked it off in grand

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.040
<v Speaker 2>style with the one hundred Greatest Artists of Rock and Roll,

0:27:11.400 --> 0:27:15.080
<v Speaker 2>hosted by none other than Kevin Bacon. Yeah, and this

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:20.120
<v Speaker 2>kicked off their whole great the Greatest Countdowns format, which

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:23.080
<v Speaker 2>started in ninety eight ninety nine, sorry and ran to

0:27:23.200 --> 0:27:24.199
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve.

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:27.679
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, which you know, I was kind of thinking about it.

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>They ended up the last episode was forty Greatest Pranks,

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 1>Part four, so and I was like, what a weird

0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. But that was right in the middle

0:27:37.840 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>of the of the listical revolution. Sure that was going

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:44.359
<v Speaker 1>on online, and this is kind of the same version

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.080
<v Speaker 1>of that, because I was like, oh, man, I remember

0:27:46.119 --> 0:27:48.920
<v Speaker 1>when you and I were writers for How Stuff Works

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:51.159
<v Speaker 1>back in the day. We were sort of fighting up

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 1>against that because it seems like that was what the

0:27:53.640 --> 0:27:56.600
<v Speaker 1>Internet became for a period of years, was just list

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:58.800
<v Speaker 1>top ten list list list list list.

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, where do you think ten Dumb Criminals

0:28:01.920 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 2>episode came from?

0:28:02.880 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Yeah. And that's one reason why we don't do

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.240
<v Speaker 1>a lot of those anymore is because people aren't writing

0:28:08.240 --> 0:28:10.720
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff anymore. I like to think we

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:11.520
<v Speaker 1>changed with the time.

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Plus also they can be kind of thin every

0:28:15.320 --> 0:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>once in a while, though it's a good one. I

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:18.960
<v Speaker 2>don't I can't think of any off the top of

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.160
<v Speaker 2>my head, but we've done some good top tens that.

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, they're pretty breezy which I think people

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>enjoy from time to time for sure.

0:28:26.119 --> 0:28:30.120
<v Speaker 2>So the luridity kind of really started to show itself

0:28:30.119 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 2>a little more with Where Are They Now nineteen ninety

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:37.080
<v Speaker 2>nine show that basically said where are like one hit

0:28:37.119 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 2>wonders in former child stars? What are they doing now?

0:28:41.360 --> 0:28:43.720
<v Speaker 2>Let's just peek in on their sad lives and see

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>what's what?

0:28:45.080 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they got into movies. One thing we didn't mention

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>was MTV Films, which had some pretty successful movies that

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>they were putting out. I think I remember the movie

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Election from Alexander Payne, one of my favorite movies. I

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>think that was an MTV film. But the h one

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>didn't fare as well on the movie front. But they

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 1>did have one sort of noteworthy one called Two of Us,

0:29:06.200 --> 0:29:08.160
<v Speaker 1>which which was okay. It was in two thousand. It

0:29:08.160 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>was a fictionalized story about when Paul McCartney and John

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.160
<v Speaker 1>Lennon were hanging out in nineteen seventy six, the night

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that LORDE. Michael's on SNL on air said if the

0:29:19.280 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Beatles come down here, I'll pay you. I can't remember

0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:22.560
<v Speaker 1>it was like a million bucks or something.

0:29:22.600 --> 0:29:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I saw three thousand dollars?

0:29:25.360 --> 0:29:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Was that what it was?

0:29:26.080 --> 0:29:28.200
<v Speaker 2>That's what I saw, which I was like, even in

0:29:28.280 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy six, that wasn't that much money.

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember. I mean, you can watch the clip

0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:34.640
<v Speaker 1>on YouTube and see him say it with his own mouth.

0:29:34.680 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't have a chance. Yeah, But at any rate,

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 1>it was a fictionalized version of them hanging out that night,

0:29:40.320 --> 0:29:43.080
<v Speaker 1>which is supposedly a true story, right, that they were

0:29:43.080 --> 0:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>going to come down and play on SNL like you

0:29:46.160 --> 0:29:49.920
<v Speaker 1>was it that far from the Dakota what happened? Supposedly

0:29:49.960 --> 0:29:54.000
<v Speaker 1>they were two stoned, that's as the story goes at least.

0:29:54.280 --> 0:29:56.400
<v Speaker 2>And by stone do you mean on Heroin?

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>Probably no, I think they each took two.

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:04.760
<v Speaker 2>PCPs as per the instructions. So by this time they

0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 2>finally dropped pretense this would be VH one we're talking

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 2>about again, and they just stopped using the music first

0:30:10.440 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 2>tagline because it was just a boldfaced lie. At this point,

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:18.320
<v Speaker 2>legends ended, pop up videos ended, and it was time

0:30:18.360 --> 0:30:21.240
<v Speaker 2>for a new shakeup because John Sykes had done his work,

0:30:21.800 --> 0:30:24.680
<v Speaker 2>and so MTV Networks hired a new guy named Brian Grayden,

0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:29.479
<v Speaker 2>and he said, we're going to shift more toward pop culture. Right,

0:30:29.560 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>We're not even going to show blocks of videos anymore

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:35.840
<v Speaker 2>and countdowns. And he hired a guy named Jeff Old

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.760
<v Speaker 2>who was new and he became executive vice president for

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:43.240
<v Speaker 2>programming and production. And the thing that Old brought to

0:30:43.320 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 2>this whole thing following the marching orders to make more

0:30:46.880 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 2>pop culture relevant shows is for he gave his producers

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:53.320
<v Speaker 2>free reign to just you got an idea, put it

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 2>on air, and if it works, awesome, if it doesn't whatever.

0:30:56.840 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 2>It's called the agile format of management, where you just

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.080
<v Speaker 2>do a bunch of stuff, some of it fails and

0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:03.800
<v Speaker 2>you just keep.

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:07.160
<v Speaker 1>Going, Yeah, I mean, not a bad idea, no.

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:09.320
<v Speaker 2>And the other thing about it, too, is that kind

0:31:09.400 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 2>of stuff like greenlighting a really easy show idea quickly

0:31:15.680 --> 0:31:18.520
<v Speaker 2>usually means you can make it very cheaply. And that

0:31:18.720 --> 0:31:23.280
<v Speaker 2>was what they did. They made very very inexpensive shows

0:31:23.360 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 2>that still were very very popular because the concepts were

0:31:26.760 --> 0:31:27.200
<v Speaker 2>so good.

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I Love the Eighties was the first big

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>big hit out of that camp that premiere in two

0:31:34.680 --> 0:31:38.440
<v Speaker 1>thousand and two. Not a show I watch much, but

0:31:38.520 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it was one that was almost kind of hard to avoid. Somehow.

0:31:42.160 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I remember just seeing Michael ian Black

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.760
<v Speaker 1>on my screen a lot here and there. I think

0:31:47.800 --> 0:31:48.840
<v Speaker 1>he was one of the comedians.

0:31:49.040 --> 0:31:51.479
<v Speaker 2>He was on like a million episodes of it.

0:31:51.520 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, he did great with that. But it

0:31:53.920 --> 0:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>was comedians and celebrities just sort of you know, it

0:31:56.680 --> 0:31:59.080
<v Speaker 1>was like kind of quick clip stuff of them sitting

0:31:59.160 --> 0:32:03.920
<v Speaker 1>talking headstyle, well talking and reminiscing about whatever the decade was.

0:32:04.200 --> 0:32:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny. So it was a clip show of

0:32:06.800 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>talking heads, and it would frequently end up on Talk Soup,

0:32:11.640 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 2>which was a clip show of talking heads.

0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Talk Soup.

0:32:15.720 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 2>Would be covering another clip show, but it worked. Talk

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:20.040
<v Speaker 2>Soup was great.

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:23.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I enjoyed Talk Soup. I Love the Eighties was

0:32:23.400 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>based on a BB show that was definitely a little

0:32:25.120 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 1>more serious and sort of recounting the decade. But it

0:32:28.120 --> 0:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>was a big hit again in the eighteen forty nine demographic,

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>and so they did the I Love the Seventies, I

0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Love the Nineties they did I Love the New Millennium,

0:32:36.520 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>which only covered through two thousand and seven, because it

0:32:39.160 --> 0:32:42.240
<v Speaker 1>debuted in two thousand and eight and I think in

0:32:42.320 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen. I Loved the two Thousands was the last

0:32:44.760 --> 0:32:49.440
<v Speaker 1>one in the series that ran. Another great show was

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:52.360
<v Speaker 1>called Best Week Ever, and then eventually Best Week Ever

0:32:52.440 --> 0:32:55.600
<v Speaker 1>with Paula Tompkins. Yeah, because friend of the show in

0:32:55.680 --> 0:32:59.200
<v Speaker 1>our pal Paul was the host where they recounted the

0:32:59.280 --> 0:33:01.960
<v Speaker 1>last week and this was a big launching pad for

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of great, great comedians.

0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was. It was a spinoff from I Love

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>the Eighties. I think p F. Tompkins was one of

0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:12.720
<v Speaker 2>the comedians, one of the frequently recurring comedians on that show.

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you want me to list out some comedians who started.

0:33:16.800 --> 0:33:18.800
<v Speaker 2>There, I would love that, Chuck, please please do.

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.360
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying that they were not doing anything,

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>but certainly we're not the household names there are now.

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:29.160
<v Speaker 1>But Nick Krole, Paul Sheer, Doug Benson, Rob Hubel, a

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>little comedian named John Mulaney, the wonderful Jessica Saint Clair,

0:33:33.960 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Michael Shay, Michael Ian Black, Patton Oswald, and I was

0:33:37.680 --> 0:33:41.480
<v Speaker 1>watching some of the Best Week Ever this morning and

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Paul's wonderful wife. Have we've spoken about Janey had had

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 1>Tompkins was in one of the little bits, and I

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 1>had no idea Jane was ever on there. So I'm

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I took a screenshot and I'm gonna text it to

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:53.120
<v Speaker 1>her later nice.

0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.760
<v Speaker 2>So if it was launched in two thousand and four,

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.760
<v Speaker 2>those people's careers did start to take off around that

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 2>time or after that, so yeah, it must have been

0:34:01.920 --> 0:34:04.719
<v Speaker 2>a huge launching pad for them for sure. Yeah it

0:34:04.720 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 2>was a fun show, but it also goes to show

0:34:06.520 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 2>you all, like all of those names were pretty much

0:34:09.120 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 2>recognizable today. That also is a testament to just how

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 2>popular Best Week ever and I love the eighties was.

0:34:17.400 --> 0:34:19.800
<v Speaker 2>So v H one was doing a pretty good job

0:34:20.160 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 2>shifting away from music, right, but they still hadn't gotten

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:29.880
<v Speaker 2>into what we would call reality yet. And it's about

0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:32.840
<v Speaker 2>here that you'll notice we stopped talking about music pretty

0:34:32.920 --> 0:34:36.520
<v Speaker 2>much altogether and get into the world of reality TV.

0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:41.160
<v Speaker 1>All right, I guess that means a break, right, Yeah,

0:34:41.800 --> 0:34:42.799
<v Speaker 1>all right, we'll be right.

0:34:42.719 --> 0:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>Back, So, Chuck, we talked about how VH one is

0:35:10.719 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 2>transitioning into reality shows and they didn't invent reality shows.

0:35:16.000 --> 0:35:19.400
<v Speaker 2>They were a really early contributor and they had a

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>lot of reality shows over the years, still do. But

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.560
<v Speaker 2>they came up with the term celebri reality and I

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 2>did not know this, but so celebriality is usually minor

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 2>celebrities in a reality show, sometimes big celebrities, but the

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:38.040
<v Speaker 2>whole thing that kicked it off. I didn't know this

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:42.880
<v Speaker 2>was Ted Nugent's celebrity reality show, Surviving Nugent.

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:47.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I remember that being on. Didn't watch it, but

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 1>that was you know, Ted Nugent had people out to

0:35:52.520 --> 0:35:54.840
<v Speaker 1>do what Ted Nugent does, which is shoot guns and

0:35:54.840 --> 0:35:59.120
<v Speaker 1>shoot arrows and do things that the Nuge was into.

0:35:59.239 --> 0:36:02.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like a competition reality show, and he

0:36:02.520 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>would have it. He was the arbiter of who stayed

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>or went, and competitions would be like them carrying manure

0:36:09.200 --> 0:36:12.040
<v Speaker 2>with their bare hands or climbing under an electrified fence.

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 2>And it was real enough that at one point Ted

0:36:15.200 --> 0:36:20.480
<v Speaker 2>Nugent suffered a chainsaw cut to his leg self inflicted

0:36:20.880 --> 0:36:22.480
<v Speaker 2>that required forty stitches.

0:36:23.680 --> 0:36:26.680
<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of stitches, it really is.

0:36:27.120 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 2>But this was not so Again, this was kind of

0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:33.759
<v Speaker 2>contemporaneous to The Osborne's which beat Surviving Nugent by a year,

0:36:34.080 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 2>in the same time as The Simple Life, So this

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.880
<v Speaker 2>was definitely it was in the air that people wanted

0:36:39.880 --> 0:36:44.200
<v Speaker 2>to see celebrities acting bizarrely in real life. And I

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 2>just made such air quotes that actually just jammed one

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 2>of my fingers, right.

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 1>This real Life became a big hit for them after

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>they co opted it from the WB A couple of

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>years after it debuted, it was a much bigger hit

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:03.799
<v Speaker 1>on VH one, and that eventually led to maybe. I mean,

0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:06.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I was about to say unlikely, but

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:09.719
<v Speaker 1>maybe not because Flavor. Flav has so much charisma and personality.

0:37:10.560 --> 0:37:13.080
<v Speaker 1>I was always so into Public Enemy from like high

0:37:13.080 --> 0:37:15.719
<v Speaker 1>school on. They were probably my favorite hip hop group

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.799
<v Speaker 1>of all time, and so it was a little weird

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:21.120
<v Speaker 1>for me all of a sudden to see Flave like

0:37:21.440 --> 0:37:25.120
<v Speaker 1>doing his thing on a reality show. But The Flavor

0:37:25.160 --> 0:37:27.720
<v Speaker 1>of Love was a tremendous hit. It was only around

0:37:27.719 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 1>for a few years, but it was like it invaded

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:32.000
<v Speaker 1>the zeitgeist in a big way.

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:37.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so he became a reality TV star thanks

0:37:37.400 --> 0:37:39.839
<v Speaker 2>to The Surreal Life. I think he was in season three,

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and one of the other shows he was on was

0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>Strange Love, which followed his relationship with Brigitte Nielsen, who

0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:53.120
<v Speaker 2>is a good two feet taller than him, striking blonde

0:37:54.280 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 2>who they fell in love when they met on The

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:01.800
<v Speaker 2>Surreal Life and they shoed orders with Charro, Dave Coolier,

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.319
<v Speaker 2>Jordan Knight from New Kids on the Block, and so

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>that spawned Strange Love and Flavor of Love, and then

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:15.160
<v Speaker 2>Flavor of Love spawned I Love New York, starring Tiffany

0:38:15.200 --> 0:38:17.840
<v Speaker 2>New York Pollard, who is one of the contestants on

0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Flavor of Love. Flavor of Love also inspired Rock of Love,

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 2>which featured Brett Michaels from Poison replacing the Flavor flav

0:38:29.120 --> 0:38:30.480
<v Speaker 2>as the bachelor. Right.

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the still the only show like that I've ever watched.

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I did watch Rock of Love. Yeah. I don't know

0:38:39.080 --> 0:38:42.120
<v Speaker 1>why I started, but I started and I couldn't stop.

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:46.879
<v Speaker 2>That's the sign of a VH one reality show, right there, buddy.

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:50.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for sure. So whoever was pulling the strings, you know,

0:38:50.680 --> 0:38:52.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, after the Surreal Life was on and flav

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.479
<v Speaker 1>was on, there there was some There was some guy,

0:38:56.000 --> 0:38:57.759
<v Speaker 1>some kind of square in the office that was like,

0:38:57.800 --> 0:39:01.120
<v Speaker 1>who's this guy with a clock? He's fantastic, right, we

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:02.359
<v Speaker 1>got to get him his own show.

0:39:02.440 --> 0:39:05.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know it's nuts, but it worked, for sure.

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:08.799
<v Speaker 2>There were two other big offshoots from the Cereal Life.

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.279
<v Speaker 2>I mean there were a cavalcade of them, but there

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.919
<v Speaker 2>were some other big shows that came from it. One

0:39:13.960 --> 0:39:18.520
<v Speaker 2>was My Fair Brady, which followed Christopher Knight and Adrian Curry.

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:22.759
<v Speaker 2>Christopher Knight was Peter Brady and Adrian Curry and their

0:39:22.840 --> 0:39:26.080
<v Speaker 2>unlikely relationship. They met on cereal Life as well.

0:39:26.000 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 1>And then the site who is She?

0:39:27.360 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 2>She was a playboy model?

0:39:29.280 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>Ah?

0:39:29.520 --> 0:39:33.240
<v Speaker 2>Okay, And then Salt and Pepper had their own show

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:34.960
<v Speaker 2>because I guess they were on the Cereal Life. I

0:39:34.960 --> 0:39:39.799
<v Speaker 2>didn't know that, but they had. They were reuniting or

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.560
<v Speaker 2>thinking about reuniting. I guess Pepa was trying to talk

0:39:42.640 --> 0:39:46.400
<v Speaker 2>Salt into it, but Salt had had a religious conversion

0:39:46.719 --> 0:39:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and was hesitant to take up the hip hop life again.

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:53.959
<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, Well, it sort of filled a void. As

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:56.960
<v Speaker 1>Livia sort of aptly pointed out that, you know, there

0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:01.080
<v Speaker 1>there was a big boom for sitcom about black families

0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:03.240
<v Speaker 1>in the nineties and even in the early two thousands,

0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 1>but then there was sort of a dearth of those

0:40:05.920 --> 0:40:08.480
<v Speaker 1>for a little while. So this kind of, you know,

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:12.760
<v Speaker 1>filled that void, and VH one took notice and started

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 1>sort of delivering content to Black America and still.

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>Do yes, and they can take some guff for it sometimes.

0:40:19.960 --> 0:40:22.399
<v Speaker 2>In part I saw it best explained on the Route

0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:26.520
<v Speaker 2>by Danielle C. Belton and She basically says, they broadcast

0:40:26.640 --> 0:40:29.400
<v Speaker 2>for Black Americans, but they're not at all beholden the

0:40:29.440 --> 0:40:32.839
<v Speaker 2>Black Americans, so they can do basically whatever they want,

0:40:32.920 --> 0:40:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and they very frequently feature stereotypes of black women. It's

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 2>like angry and violent and prone to yelling and stuff

0:40:40.719 --> 0:40:45.279
<v Speaker 2>like that. So it's like a mixed bag. Yeah, but

0:40:45.400 --> 0:40:49.160
<v Speaker 2>however you approach it. As of back in twenty fourteen,

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:52.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't see any more recent statistics, but in twenty fourteen,

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 2>VH one was the number one network in African American households,

0:40:56.800 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 2>followed by BET and the Oprah Winfree Network. We were

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 2>definitely doing something that Black America liked.

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.839
<v Speaker 1>They beat Oprah out. Yeah that's that says a lot.

0:41:05.960 --> 0:41:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yes it does, and yeah for sure.

0:41:08.760 --> 0:41:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Another show that got them a lot of flack eventually

0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:14.279
<v Speaker 1>was Celebrity Rehab with Doctor Drew Pinsky that premier in

0:41:14.280 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight. There's a critic that Olivia found

0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:19.880
<v Speaker 1>named Kayleie Donaldson called it perhaps the most evil reality

0:41:19.920 --> 0:41:23.719
<v Speaker 1>TV series of all time. You probably know doctor Drew

0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:28.280
<v Speaker 1>from Loveline with Adam Carolla early on, and he doctor

0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Drew is it wasn't his. I guess a real you know,

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>therapist and trained at treating addiction, so he wasn't just

0:41:36.920 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 1>some some you know, pretty face that they put on TV.

0:41:40.520 --> 0:41:42.319
<v Speaker 1>And he claimed that he wanted to make it like

0:41:42.360 --> 0:41:45.480
<v Speaker 1>a real, like meaningful show where it was like an

0:41:45.520 --> 0:41:49.600
<v Speaker 1>antidote to the cruel, tabloid depictions of these people that

0:41:49.640 --> 0:41:53.880
<v Speaker 1>were suffering through addiction. But he, you know, he also

0:41:54.000 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 1>had to deliver an entertaining show, and those two things

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>could be at odds, and it got a lot of

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>flat because, like people started dying for their addictions.

0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, by twenty twenty four to twelve, of by my count,

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 2>about forty five rehab patients on the show had died,

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:14.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of them from like overdosing or direct complications

0:42:14.880 --> 0:42:20.359
<v Speaker 2>from their addictions, like brain aneurysms, which is about more

0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:23.600
<v Speaker 2>it's a little more than a quarter, which apparently is

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>actually in line with the success rate of traditional rehab.

0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:31.560
<v Speaker 2>It's just much much, much more visible. But it was

0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 2>also again the l word lurid to just show people's

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:40.280
<v Speaker 2>you know, low points and rock bottom after rock bottom

0:42:40.320 --> 0:42:42.719
<v Speaker 2>on TV for money for ad money, you.

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:47.600
<v Speaker 1>Know, yeah for sure, And speaking of lurid, we're loath

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:50.840
<v Speaker 1>to mention Diddy, but there was a show called I

0:42:50.880 --> 0:42:52.600
<v Speaker 1>Want to Work for Diddy in two thousand and eight,

0:42:52.600 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and a silver lining of that is that it launched

0:42:55.640 --> 0:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>the career of Laverne Cox and also just launched the

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of normalization of trans people on TV. A couple

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 1>of years after that show, Laverne Cox and fellow trans

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:10.000
<v Speaker 1>women Jamie Clayton and Nina Poon got their own VH

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 1>one show called Transform Me. It was kind of a

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:14.520
<v Speaker 1>queer eye for the straight guy kind of thing, but

0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>for CIS women. And it was one of the first

0:43:17.760 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 1>shows with trans stars.

0:43:20.640 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, like period and you put all this together and

0:43:23.880 --> 0:43:27.960
<v Speaker 2>VH one had its highest Nielsen ratings ever in this

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:32.799
<v Speaker 2>era the late two thousands, the aught as we who

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:38.000
<v Speaker 2>Lived Through It column and then tragedy struck and the

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:43.359
<v Speaker 2>publicity was so searingly bad that VH one essentially through

0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.319
<v Speaker 2>the company that had been cranking out hit after hit

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:52.239
<v Speaker 2>for them under the bus. And it centered around the

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:56.239
<v Speaker 2>murder by a man named Ryan Jenkins, who had been

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 2>a contestant on not one or had been featured on

0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 2>not one, but two VH one reality shows. He murdered

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:05.120
<v Speaker 2>his wife, Jasmine Fiore.

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he was a real estate developer. He was a.

0:44:09.800 --> 0:44:12.239
<v Speaker 1>You know, they got rich guys to be contestants on

0:44:12.280 --> 0:44:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a dating show called Megan Wants to Be I'm sorry,

0:44:16.480 --> 0:44:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Megan Wants a Millionaire and fifty one Minds was the

0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:22.720
<v Speaker 1>name of this company that was like churning out these shows.

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:28.520
<v Speaker 1>After the show ended, he married Jasmine Fiore and he

0:44:28.560 --> 0:44:31.359
<v Speaker 1>got on I Love Money three, another VH one show,

0:44:32.080 --> 0:44:35.880
<v Speaker 1>and they said, fifty one months is like, hey, in retrospect,

0:44:35.920 --> 0:44:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I remember this storyline we had. It was going to

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:41.879
<v Speaker 1>revolve around him calling his new wife a lot and

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:46.120
<v Speaker 1>seemingly obsessive and jealous and very suspicious, and he ended

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 1>up murdering her in August of two thousand and nine.

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it got even worse than that. He tried to

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:56.760
<v Speaker 2>prevent her from being identified, so he removed her fingers

0:44:56.800 --> 0:45:00.279
<v Speaker 2>and her teeth. He put her, folded her up in

0:45:00.320 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 2>a suitcase, and dump the suitcase in a dumpster. And

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:07.080
<v Speaker 2>I read that it almost worked, but they identified her.

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.400
<v Speaker 2>They had to identify her through the serial numbers on

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 2>her breast implants. And so all this comes out, and

0:45:12.680 --> 0:45:16.759
<v Speaker 2>it's very clear that Ryan Jenkins was to blame. He

0:45:17.520 --> 0:45:21.960
<v Speaker 2>hung himself in a motel room, and in his note

0:45:22.000 --> 0:45:26.560
<v Speaker 2>even he blames Jasmine Fiori for him killing himself. It

0:45:26.560 --> 0:45:29.080
<v Speaker 2>doesn't take any responsibility whatsoever for killing her.

0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 1>I remember that now. That's I wasn't familiar, But as

0:45:32.560 --> 0:45:34.560
<v Speaker 1>soon as he said that, I kind of remember that storyline.

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and all of this happens in one month in

0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and nine. And if you were pumping out

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:43.200
<v Speaker 2>lured reality show after lured reality show, your viewership is

0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:46.440
<v Speaker 2>going to be highly interested in this story. Yeah, and

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 2>it's going to get out, and it's gonna get out

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to the rest of America. Who's going to make a

0:45:50.480 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>bunch of noise about how terrible these reality shows are.

0:45:53.680 --> 0:45:57.560
<v Speaker 2>And here's evidence of it. Because also that Ryan Jenkins guy,

0:45:57.600 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 2>it turned out that he had been convicted in Canada

0:46:01.880 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 2>of assaulting his girlfriend and it didn't show up on

0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:07.440
<v Speaker 2>a or he had been arrested, I'm sorry of assaulting

0:46:07.480 --> 0:46:10.439
<v Speaker 2>his girlfriend in Canada. Hadn't shown up on a background check.

0:46:11.320 --> 0:46:13.479
<v Speaker 2>So people were like, this stuff is terrible, And VH

0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:16.120
<v Speaker 2>one said, you know what, we agree. It's all that

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:20.680
<v Speaker 2>company that sent us these shows. We didn't even want them,

0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.240
<v Speaker 2>We didn't even ask for them. This company fifty one minds,

0:46:23.320 --> 0:46:26.880
<v Speaker 2>they just made us run these shows, and they really

0:46:26.880 --> 0:46:29.560
<v Speaker 2>threw them under the bus and made it look like

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:33.799
<v Speaker 2>they were turning their back on the whole concept, and

0:46:33.840 --> 0:46:37.799
<v Speaker 2>they did largely. There was a huge shift, but there

0:46:37.840 --> 0:46:40.920
<v Speaker 2>were still shows like Dating Naked that was on from

0:46:40.920 --> 0:46:44.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen, and a lot of their

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 2>existing reality shows continued on past this scandal, but they

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 2>did shift a little more to reality TV that was

0:46:53.520 --> 0:46:56.640
<v Speaker 2>made by black creators. They kind of moved away from

0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.959
<v Speaker 2>the more lurid stuff to a little more and growth

0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:03.640
<v Speaker 2>seeing black created shows.

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:06.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, RuPaul's Drag Race has been a big hit, sort

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>of a niche hit, but very very popular show. It's

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.560
<v Speaker 1>you know it's RuPaul, so it's campy. It's a parody

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 1>of reality competition that launched in two thousand and nine

0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.080
<v Speaker 1>on Logo but then moved to VH one in twenty

0:47:21.080 --> 0:47:24.040
<v Speaker 1>seventeen and then eventually MTV in twenty twenty three.

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>That's a long run.

0:47:25.800 --> 0:47:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Love and Hip Hop has been a very big

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:32.360
<v Speaker 1>show created by Mona Scott Young. That was It started

0:47:32.360 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 1>out with kind of being about Jim Jones, the rapper,

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.200
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually shifted over to his girlfriend Chrissy Lampkin.

0:47:39.840 --> 0:47:42.040
<v Speaker 1>And just the hip hop scene in New York in

0:47:42.080 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>their world.

0:47:42.560 --> 0:47:46.960
<v Speaker 2>Say with Basketball Wives by Shaquille O'Neil's ex wife Shawnee Henderson. Yeah,

0:47:47.000 --> 0:47:49.879
<v Speaker 2>Big I just had its twelfth season. And then Nick

0:47:49.960 --> 0:47:54.880
<v Speaker 2>Cannon presents wild Nout, which is an improv competition show,

0:47:55.880 --> 0:47:58.680
<v Speaker 2>and they're still making new episodes. It started out on

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.240
<v Speaker 2>MTV and the move to VH one when in twenty nineteen,

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 2>and very much like Ridiculousness, reruns of Wilding Out are

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:09.840
<v Speaker 2>carrying VH one right now, apparently with Fresh Prince of

0:48:09.840 --> 0:48:12.919
<v Speaker 2>bel Air and My Wife and Kids reruns.

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>I never saw Dating Naked. What was that about?

0:48:15.840 --> 0:48:20.120
<v Speaker 2>It was exactly what it sounds like. Oh okay, exactly.

0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:23.040
<v Speaker 2>There's no it needs no explanation whatsoever.

0:48:23.760 --> 0:48:26.400
<v Speaker 1>Okay I was kidding, oh.

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Me, and you got me, buddy. I think we're even

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:32.839
<v Speaker 2>for all time now. Okay, good well, Chuck said, okay, good,

0:48:32.920 --> 0:48:35.280
<v Speaker 2>And we don't have anything more to say about VH

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:39.120
<v Speaker 2>one except go watch some VH one and that means

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:40.200
<v Speaker 2>it's time for listener meal.

0:48:42.080 --> 0:48:45.280
<v Speaker 1>That's right, by the way, I was not bagging on Wilco.

0:48:45.520 --> 0:48:47.399
<v Speaker 1>I hope it didn't come across that way. They are

0:48:48.440 --> 0:48:50.759
<v Speaker 1>sort of thrown in that Dad Rock category. But I

0:48:50.840 --> 0:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>always love Wilco. I read all of Jeff Tweety's books,

0:48:54.200 --> 0:48:56.680
<v Speaker 1>was big into Uncle Tupelo, so I'm not bagging on Wilco.

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<v Speaker 1>I like Wolco.

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<v Speaker 2>Jeff Tweety's The Spymaster and The Teen Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, of course, and The Tinker or two is

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<v Speaker 1>really good. Hey, Chuck, Josh and Jerry have been listening

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<v Speaker 1>for a few years and used to do the sandwich

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<v Speaker 1>method for listening to the episodes, but recently decided to

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<v Speaker 1>work all my way through and catch up to the present.

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<v Speaker 1>I find this is a better method personally, since listener

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<v Speaker 1>mail on references for past shows don't really make sense

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<v Speaker 1>when listening to newer episodes before listening to the episodes

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<v Speaker 1>that came before. AnyWho, this is not why I'm writing it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure if you're aware. But Chuck Stradamus struck

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<v Speaker 1>again the episode April twenty six, twenty eighteen. Does pyromania

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<v Speaker 1>actually exist? Josh brings up John Leonard or convicted serial arsonist,

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<v Speaker 1>mass murdered former firefighter, arsenist investigator, and Chuck around thirty

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<v Speaker 1>four to thirty nine says that's a movie waiting to

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<v Speaker 1>happen well, my friends. Seven years later, Apple TV releases Smoke,

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show based on John Leonard or Wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>haven't watched the show, I definitely recommend watching, even though

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<v Speaker 1>I've spoiled the plot. Keep up the good work, guys. Ps.

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<v Speaker 1>Is Chuck's ability a gift or crazy coincidence? That is

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<v Speaker 1>Brenda s from Dallas, Texas and Brenda, I love that

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting my back? Is Chuckstra Damas because my past

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<v Speaker 1>predictions of Hugh Jackman playing p T. Barnum and most

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<v Speaker 1>notably that I thought Jared from Subway was a creep

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<v Speaker 1>long before his truth came out.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget predicting Sharknado.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and Sharknado. That's true. That might be the feather

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<v Speaker 1>in the cap. But in this case, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>if you can really claim Chucks Stra Dama's territory. If

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like, hey, that would make a good movie

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<v Speaker 1>and it became a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you really just burst Brenda's bubble.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm bursting my own bubble. What do you think?

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<v Speaker 1>Can I get a ruling from you, dear leader?

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<v Speaker 2>I will allow it as one of Chuckstra Dramas's predictions

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<v Speaker 2>that came true.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, it's canon, Okay, not Nick Cannon.

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<v Speaker 2>No, we're not wilding out here or not. If you

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<v Speaker 2>want to get in touch with us like Brenda and

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<v Speaker 2>try your luck at having us burst your bubble and

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