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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh, and there's

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Speaker 2: Chuck and this is Stuff you should know. The Adult Contemporary.

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Speaker 1: Edition Video Hits one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you remember? That's what the VH did for.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think that's I think they ran that

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Speaker 1: little thing. I just did. I think that was their

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Speaker 1: thing initially. I don't know, I seem to. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if I just made that up or not, but

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Speaker 1: I feel like that's something that's stuck in my brain

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Speaker 1: from the old days.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, from what this research show, that's exactly the

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Speaker 2: kind of thing they would have run for like the

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Speaker 2: first ten years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Probably. And this is on VH one, of course,

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Speaker 1: And it's going to be a great warm up for

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Speaker 1: the long awaited Judas Priest show tonight that I'm going to.

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Speaker 2: Well is that tonight awesome? Man? I hope you have

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Speaker 2: a bitch in time. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It should be some fun people watching and some good music.

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Speaker 2: Are you gonna smoke PCP in the parking lot like

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Speaker 2: that documentary?

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Speaker 1: Oh you know it, baby, I got my I ordered

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Speaker 1: some PCP online and it came in a box labeled

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Speaker 1: PCP okay, And I opened it up and it said

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Speaker 1: take two PCPs for best results.

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Speaker 2: You go.

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Speaker 1: So I think I'm good.

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Speaker 2: That sounds legit to me.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm all set.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have a great time. That's cool. Did you

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Speaker 2: get in touch with Nita Strauss?

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Speaker 1: No? No, she may not be stuff you should know

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Speaker 1: person anymore.

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Speaker 2: Well, try waving to her from the audience.

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Speaker 1: It's me.

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Speaker 2: Maybe when you're on PCP you'll just crawl on to stage.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe you never know. I'm gonna take the recommended too,

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Speaker 1: So who knows what's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: So we're talking about VH one, which is basically the

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Speaker 2: opposite of PCP. Yeah, as everyone knows. Who's ever seen

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Speaker 2: VA one actually if you were around, and it debuted

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Speaker 2: back in nineteen eighty five. It's just like the older, mellower,

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Speaker 2: more well again adult contemporary version of MTV, and it

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Speaker 2: bears a striking resemblance because it was launched by the

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Speaker 2: same company that launched MTV that hold Werner Brothers, Amex Weirdness. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And the one of the big reasons they launched VH

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Speaker 2: one is because they really wanted to put one of

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Speaker 2: their competitors, Ted Turner's cable music channel in the ground permanently.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I guess this was before, you know, because

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Speaker 1: they eventually bought them out. If you remember from the

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Speaker 1: MTV episode. I do remember I was talking to dear listener.

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Speaker 1: But that's ok. Oh, I see when I address you,

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Speaker 1: I address you as your leader.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was before they bought them out, clearly,

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Speaker 1: because they were essentially saying, hey, cable companies, if you

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Speaker 1: want another music video station, don't go by Turner's thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just take VH one for free. If you're getting MTV,

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Speaker 1: we'll just throw it in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Before Video Hits one, it was value ad Hits one. Well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And honestly, what got me about researching this was

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Speaker 1: they follow similar paths as far as music videos turned

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Speaker 1: into original programming. But I dare say that VH one

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Speaker 1: did a better job and stayed more relevant in the

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, for sure. I mean you can make a

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Speaker 2: case it's still quite relevant. It's definitely changed its mission dramatically,

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Speaker 2: but MTV changed its mission as well. And yeah, it's

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Speaker 2: VH one still relevant. There's no better word to put it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think they ended up having much bigger shows

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Speaker 1: when they started doing their original shows and MTV had.

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Speaker 2: For sure, and as we'll see every once while, MTV

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Speaker 2: likes to still poach them because even though VH one

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Speaker 2: is still more powerful in that company.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm curious with the dynamic there.

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Speaker 2: Let's find out anyone who works at MTV or VH

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Speaker 1: But like you said, it started out just a few

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Speaker 1: years later and was you know they launched with Marvin

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Speaker 1: the very mellower. Well, I guess you lost that love

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Speaker 1: holland John Oates even made it even sort of cornier.

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Speaker 2: Oh you wanted to hear corny?

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: I was listening to some beautiful music on YouTube this

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Speaker 2: Chuck would love this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I probably would have, because every.

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Speaker 2: Time I hear that song, I hear you doing your

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Speaker 2: impression of it where you're just like mumbling the words. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, that's when Canada turned against me personally. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they forgave me. We made up.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it was actually a pretty solid lineup. The

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Speaker 2: fourth video that they showed was John Lennon's Nobody Told

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Speaker 2: Me So. That's not a bad way to kick off

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Speaker 2: a new video channel. And I was looking through the

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Speaker 2: rest of the I think first ten or twenty or whatever,

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Speaker 2: and it was just hit after hit and the VJs

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Speaker 2: maybe even like parent.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like people in their thirties watched vach one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: really old people.

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Speaker 2: Right, people that David Bowie clearly said you couldn't trust

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Speaker 2: That was who the VJs were. They were untrustworthy former

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Imus was air Frankie Crocker Bowser from Seannahah, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh was he the guy?

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Speaker 2: will eventually say sorry.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And it just has a fart machine that you

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Speaker 1: I mean stand up Spotlight did pretty well. But my generation,

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Speaker 1: I remember in nineteen eighty nine with Peter Noon of

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Speaker 2: and Naked Gun, that's right, And that's my Herman's Hermit story.

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Speaker 1: You know, these videos that they were playing on my generation,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's all because Peter Noon demanded it right

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Speaker 1: Ninety seven was when it really hit the big time

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Speaker 2: I didn't expect that, but you know what, I love that.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's nineteen ninety seven. We'll be back to

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Speaker 1: Ninety seven they launched Save the Music John Sykes. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I read that they've donated two point eight million

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely so.

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Speaker 2: Even despite all of this reprogramming, very very successful and

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Speaker 1: They're like Don Henley's coming. I want to mess with

441
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Speaker 1: the hen You definitely don't want to mess with Don Hinley. No,

442
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 1: they were pretty successful in getting, like you said, all

443
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 1: those viewers back in to the delight of ad salespeople

444
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Speaker 1: because they had that eighteen to forty nine year old

445
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: demographic that is so juicy and everyone knows those are

446
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Speaker 1: the people that have all the bucks, or at least

447
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 1: back then they did, and so they you know, they

448
00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,439
Speaker 1: were able to land some big ad dollars. As a

449
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: resultant were seemingly thriving.

450
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it didn't hurt that there were plenty of

451
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Speaker 2: like new artists who were making the kind of music

452
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Speaker 2: that would make a little more sense on VH one

453
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: than say MTV, like Natalie Merchant. Celine Dion, as you mentioned,

454
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Speaker 2: was enormous at this time. Yeah, probably would not see

455
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Speaker 2: a Celenion video on MTV, but she was right at

456
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Speaker 2: home on VH one. Yeahlah Bolton, Michael Bolton, alanis probably

457
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 2: straddled the two says like the wallflowers or goo goo

458
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Speaker 2: dolls or something like that.

459
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Speaker 1: Ooh okay, and these.

460
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: Are real deal. I watched some VH one blocks to

461
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 2: come up with some examples, so all of those had

462
00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,880
Speaker 2: videos on VH one. Everybody, that's the kind of research

463
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 2: you can expect from stuff you should know.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think like before dad rock was a term

465
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: that was probably the angle what's dead?

466
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Speaker 2: I've not heard that before, so what does it cover?

467
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Speaker 1: Dad rock is kind of like, I know, Wilco gets

468
00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: thrown in there a lot. It's like, you know, kind

469
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: of dudes my age that like used to go to

470
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,640
Speaker 1: all the shows, but now just so I could get

471
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: out to Wilco like every year, and you know that

472
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: kind of thing.

473
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Speaker 2: I saw this meme on Instagram where it's this girl

474
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Speaker 2: sitting in a like a stadium seat and she has

475
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,920
Speaker 2: a very unhappy look on her face and it says,

476
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 2: anyone over forty when the third opening band starts to

477
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Speaker 2: set up at nine pm. It's so true, man, It's fine,

478
00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 2: it just starts too late.

479
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. Shows are starting earlier though. I

480
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Speaker 1: feel like I read that like these legacy shows that

481
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: I'm seeing, all these olds, they're they're they're getting up

482
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: on stage at like, you know, opening band at seven,

483
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Speaker 1: regular band at eight, out out by nine thirty five.

484
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Speaker 2: Hey, we start at seven promptly. If we ever start,

485
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Speaker 2: try to Yeah, if we start later than seven, it's

486
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 2: the venue itself saying please let us hold because we're

487
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 2: making mad cash at the bar.

488
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Speaker 1: Yeah. It's actually the audience's fault. Yeah, really, because they're

489
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 1: like they're not in yet, They're they're just getting here.

490
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,959
Speaker 1: There's a lot of traffic. It's actually traffic's fault.

491
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: And some towns are are worse for it than others.

492
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 2: Some some towns are just like, we know, you're not

493
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 2: going to start while we're getting licker. Sorry.

494
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But like with MTV, they would you know, start

495
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 1: sort of changing things and rebranding. These are companies that

496
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: just seemingly change the channels, not literally, but change their

497
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 1: programming a lot, and like the names of the channel

498
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,959
Speaker 1: change a lot. Yes, Like you know MTV at MTB

499
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: two and MTV Classic and VH one kind of did

500
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Speaker 1: the same. They had VH one Soul which is now

501
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Speaker 1: Bee tol Et Soul, VH one Smooth, which was more

502
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: like Kenny G kind of stuff. But then they're like

503
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: who wants that, Let's change that VH one Classic Rock

504
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: and then just VH one Classic and now it's MTV Classic.

505
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Speaker 2: It is quite a ride for that channel. Yeah, yeah,

506
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 2: VH one smooth. I can't believe that ever made it

507
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 2: outside of the initial meeting.

508
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. True.

509
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 2: So VH one, just like MTV, is like, Okay, if

510
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 2: we can't hold people's attention from video to video, we

511
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 2: got to come up with a different kind of show.

512
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 2: And so they stopped playing videos almost it dropped almost

513
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Speaker 2: by fifty percent from ninety nine to twenty twelve. Yeah,

514
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: and remember like it had been relaunched in ninety four

515
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: as like VH one Music first, and it just wasn't

516
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 2: sustainable at the turn of the millennium, right, So they

517
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 2: started getting into countdown shows. They figured out how they

518
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 2: could keep showing videos. They just needed to adjust it,

519
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: put them in a certain kind of package that would

520
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: hold your attention a little more. Nothing does that better

521
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 2: than a countdown. And they kicked it off in grand

522
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: style with the one hundred Greatest Artists of Rock and Roll,

523
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 2: hosted by none other than Kevin Bacon. Yeah, and this

524
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 2: kicked off their whole great the Greatest Countdowns format, which

525
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 2: started in ninety eight ninety nine, sorry and ran to

526
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Speaker 2: twenty twelve.

527
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which you know, I was kind of thinking about it.

528
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 1: They ended up the last episode was forty Greatest Pranks,

529
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: Part four, so and I was like, what a weird

530
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: kind of thing. But that was right in the middle

531
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 1: of the of the listical revolution. Sure that was going

532
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: on online, and this is kind of the same version

533
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: of that, because I was like, oh, man, I remember

534
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: when you and I were writers for How Stuff Works

535
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 1: back in the day. We were sort of fighting up

536
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: against that because it seems like that was what the

537
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: Internet became for a period of years, was just list

538
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: top ten list list list list list.

539
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, where do you think ten Dumb Criminals

540
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 2: episode came from?

541
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Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah. And that's one reason why we don't do

542
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 1: a lot of those anymore is because people aren't writing

543
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff anymore. I like to think we

544
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: changed with the time.

545
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus also they can be kind of thin every

546
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Speaker 2: once in a while, though it's a good one. I

547
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Speaker 2: don't I can't think of any off the top of

548
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 2: my head, but we've done some good top tens that.

549
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, they're pretty breezy which I think people

550
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:24,639
Speaker 1: enjoy from time to time for sure.

551
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: So the luridity kind of really started to show itself

552
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: a little more with Where Are They Now nineteen ninety

553
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 2: nine show that basically said where are like one hit

554
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: wonders in former child stars? What are they doing now?

555
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 2: Let's just peek in on their sad lives and see

556
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 2: what's what?

557
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they got into movies. One thing we didn't mention

558
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: was MTV Films, which had some pretty successful movies that

559
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Speaker 1: they were putting out. I think I remember the movie

560
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: Election from Alexander Payne, one of my favorite movies. I

561
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Speaker 1: think that was an MTV film. But the h one

562
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: didn't fare as well on the movie front. But they

563
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: did have one sort of noteworthy one called Two of Us,

564
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: which which was okay. It was in two thousand. It

565
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: was a fictionalized story about when Paul McCartney and John

566
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Speaker 1: Lennon were hanging out in nineteen seventy six, the night

567
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Speaker 1: that LORDE. Michael's on SNL on air said if the

568
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Speaker 1: Beatles come down here, I'll pay you. I can't remember

569
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Speaker 1: it was like a million bucks or something.

570
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: I saw three thousand dollars?

571
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Was that what it was?

572
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Speaker 2: That's what I saw, which I was like, even in

573
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Speaker 2: nineteen seventy six, that wasn't that much money.

574
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Speaker 1: I can't remember. I mean, you can watch the clip

575
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Speaker 1: on YouTube and see him say it with his own mouth.

576
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: I just didn't have a chance. Yeah, But at any rate,

577
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: it was a fictionalized version of them hanging out that night,

578
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: which is supposedly a true story, right, that they were

579
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Speaker 1: going to come down and play on SNL like you

580
00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,920
Speaker 1: was it that far from the Dakota what happened? Supposedly

581
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: they were two stoned, that's as the story goes at least.

582
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 2: And by stone do you mean on Heroin?

583
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: Probably no, I think they each took two.

584
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 2: PCPs as per the instructions. So by this time they

585
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 2: finally dropped pretense this would be VH one we're talking

586
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: about again, and they just stopped using the music first

587
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 2: tagline because it was just a boldfaced lie. At this point,

588
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: legends ended, pop up videos ended, and it was time

589
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: for a new shakeup because John Sykes had done his work,

590
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 2: and so MTV Networks hired a new guy named Brian Grayden,

591
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Speaker 2: and he said, we're going to shift more toward pop culture. Right,

592
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Speaker 2: We're not even going to show blocks of videos anymore

593
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Speaker 2: and countdowns. And he hired a guy named Jeff Old

594
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Speaker 2: who was new and he became executive vice president for

595
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: programming and production. And the thing that Old brought to

596
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Speaker 2: this whole thing following the marching orders to make more

597
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 2: pop culture relevant shows is for he gave his producers

598
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Speaker 2: free reign to just you got an idea, put it

599
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: on air, and if it works, awesome, if it doesn't whatever.

600
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Speaker 2: It's called the agile format of management, where you just

601
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: do a bunch of stuff, some of it fails and

602
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: you just keep.

603
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Going, Yeah, I mean, not a bad idea, no.

604
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 2: And the other thing about it, too, is that kind

605
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 2: of stuff like greenlighting a really easy show idea quickly

606
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: usually means you can make it very cheaply. And that

607
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: was what they did. They made very very inexpensive shows

608
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: that still were very very popular because the concepts were

609
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Speaker 2: so good.

610
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I Love the Eighties was the first big

611
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Speaker 1: big hit out of that camp that premiere in two

612
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: thousand and two. Not a show I watch much, but

613
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Speaker 1: it was one that was almost kind of hard to avoid. Somehow.

614
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Speaker 1: I feel like I remember just seeing Michael ian Black

615
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 1: on my screen a lot here and there. I think

616
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Speaker 1: he was one of the comedians.

617
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Speaker 2: He was on like a million episodes of it.

618
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, he did great with that. But it

619
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Speaker 1: was comedians and celebrities just sort of you know, it

620
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: was like kind of quick clip stuff of them sitting

621
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Speaker 1: talking headstyle, well talking and reminiscing about whatever the decade was.

622
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny. So it was a clip show of

623
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Speaker 2: talking heads, and it would frequently end up on Talk Soup,

624
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 2: which was a clip show of talking heads.

625
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Talk Soup.

626
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Would be covering another clip show, but it worked. Talk

627
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 2: Soup was great.

628
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I enjoyed Talk Soup. I Love the Eighties was

629
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Speaker 1: based on a BB show that was definitely a little

630
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: more serious and sort of recounting the decade. But it

631
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: was a big hit again in the eighteen forty nine demographic,

632
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: and so they did the I Love the Seventies, I

633
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Love the Nineties they did I Love the New Millennium,

634
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: which only covered through two thousand and seven, because it

635
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: debuted in two thousand and eight and I think in

636
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. I Loved the two Thousands was the last

637
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: one in the series that ran. Another great show was

638
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Speaker 1: called Best Week Ever, and then eventually Best Week Ever

639
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: with Paula Tompkins. Yeah, because friend of the show in

640
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: our pal Paul was the host where they recounted the

641
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 1: last week and this was a big launching pad for

642
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: a lot of great, great comedians.

643
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was a spinoff from I Love

644
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: the Eighties. I think p F. Tompkins was one of

645
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 2: the comedians, one of the frequently recurring comedians on that show.

646
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want me to list out some comedians who started.

647
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 2: There, I would love that, Chuck, please please do.

648
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that they were not doing anything,

649
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: but certainly we're not the household names there are now.

650
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: But Nick Krole, Paul Sheer, Doug Benson, Rob Hubel, a

651
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: little comedian named John Mulaney, the wonderful Jessica Saint Clair,

652
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: Michael Shay, Michael Ian Black, Patton Oswald, and I was

653
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: watching some of the Best Week Ever this morning and

654
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 1: Paul's wonderful wife. Have we've spoken about Janey had had

655
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: Tompkins was in one of the little bits, and I

656
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Speaker 1: had no idea Jane was ever on there. So I'm

657
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Speaker 1: I took a screenshot and I'm gonna text it to

658
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Speaker 1: her later nice.

659
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Speaker 2: So if it was launched in two thousand and four,

660
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: those people's careers did start to take off around that

661
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: time or after that, so yeah, it must have been

662
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,719
Speaker 2: a huge launching pad for them for sure. Yeah it

663
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: was a fun show, but it also goes to show

664
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 2: you all, like all of those names were pretty much

665
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: recognizable today. That also is a testament to just how

666
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 2: popular Best Week ever and I love the eighties was.

667
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,800
Speaker 2: So v H one was doing a pretty good job

668
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: shifting away from music, right, but they still hadn't gotten

669
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 2: into what we would call reality yet. And it's about

670
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 2: here that you'll notice we stopped talking about music pretty

671
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 2: much altogether and get into the world of reality TV.

672
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: All right, I guess that means a break, right, Yeah,

673
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be right.

674
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Speaker 2: Back, So, Chuck, we talked about how VH one is

675
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 2: transitioning into reality shows and they didn't invent reality shows.

676
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 2: They were a really early contributor and they had a

677
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: lot of reality shows over the years, still do. But

678
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: they came up with the term celebri reality and I

679
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: did not know this, but so celebriality is usually minor

680
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: celebrities in a reality show, sometimes big celebrities, but the

681
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 2: whole thing that kicked it off. I didn't know this

682
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: was Ted Nugent's celebrity reality show, Surviving Nugent.

683
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that being on. Didn't watch it, but

684
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: that was you know, Ted Nugent had people out to

685
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: do what Ted Nugent does, which is shoot guns and

686
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: shoot arrows and do things that the Nuge was into.

687
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a competition reality show, and he

688
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: would have it. He was the arbiter of who stayed

689
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: or went, and competitions would be like them carrying manure

690
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 2: with their bare hands or climbing under an electrified fence.

691
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: And it was real enough that at one point Ted

692
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: Nugent suffered a chainsaw cut to his leg self inflicted

693
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: that required forty stitches.

694
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Speaker 1: It's a lot of stitches, it really is.

695
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 2: But this was not so Again, this was kind of

696
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: contemporaneous to The Osborne's which beat Surviving Nugent by a year,

697
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 2: in the same time as The Simple Life, So this

698
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 2: was definitely it was in the air that people wanted

699
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: to see celebrities acting bizarrely in real life. And I

700
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: just made such air quotes that actually just jammed one

701
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: of my fingers, right.

702
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: This real Life became a big hit for them after

703
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: they co opted it from the WB A couple of

704
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: years after it debuted, it was a much bigger hit

705
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: on VH one, and that eventually led to maybe. I mean,

706
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was about to say unlikely, but

707
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: maybe not because Flavor. Flav has so much charisma and personality.

708
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 1: I was always so into Public Enemy from like high

709
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 1: school on. They were probably my favorite hip hop group

710
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 1: of all time, and so it was a little weird

711
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: for me all of a sudden to see Flave like

712
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 1: doing his thing on a reality show. But The Flavor

713
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,720
Speaker 1: of Love was a tremendous hit. It was only around

714
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 1: for a few years, but it was like it invaded

715
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: the zeitgeist in a big way.

716
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so he became a reality TV star thanks

717
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 2: to The Surreal Life. I think he was in season three,

718
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: and one of the other shows he was on was

719
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: Strange Love, which followed his relationship with Brigitte Nielsen, who

720
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: is a good two feet taller than him, striking blonde

721
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 2: who they fell in love when they met on The

722
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: Surreal Life and they shoed orders with Charro, Dave Coolier,

723
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: Jordan Knight from New Kids on the Block, and so

724
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: that spawned Strange Love and Flavor of Love, and then

725
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,160
Speaker 2: Flavor of Love spawned I Love New York, starring Tiffany

726
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: New York Pollard, who is one of the contestants on

727
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 2: Flavor of Love. Flavor of Love also inspired Rock of Love,

728
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 2: which featured Brett Michaels from Poison replacing the Flavor flav

729
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: as the bachelor. Right.

730
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the still the only show like that I've ever watched.

731
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: I did watch Rock of Love. Yeah. I don't know

732
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Speaker 1: why I started, but I started and I couldn't stop.

733
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Speaker 2: That's the sign of a VH one reality show, right there, buddy.

734
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. So whoever was pulling the strings, you know,

735
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,439
Speaker 1: you know, after the Surreal Life was on and flav

736
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,479
Speaker 1: was on, there there was some There was some guy,

737
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: some kind of square in the office that was like,

738
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: who's this guy with a clock? He's fantastic, right, we

739
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: got to get him his own show.

740
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know it's nuts, but it worked, for sure.

741
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: There were two other big offshoots from the Cereal Life.

742
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 2: I mean there were a cavalcade of them, but there

743
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,919
Speaker 2: were some other big shows that came from it. One

744
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: was My Fair Brady, which followed Christopher Knight and Adrian Curry.

745
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:22,759
Speaker 2: Christopher Knight was Peter Brady and Adrian Curry and their

746
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: unlikely relationship. They met on cereal Life as well.

747
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 1: And then the site who is She?

748
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,680
Speaker 2: She was a playboy model?

749
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: Ah?

750
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:33,240
Speaker 2: Okay, And then Salt and Pepper had their own show

751
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: because I guess they were on the Cereal Life. I

752
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 2: didn't know that, but they had. They were reuniting or

753
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: thinking about reuniting. I guess Pepa was trying to talk

754
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: Salt into it, but Salt had had a religious conversion

755
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 2: and was hesitant to take up the hip hop life again.

756
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:53,959
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Well, it sort of filled a void. As

757
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: Livia sort of aptly pointed out that, you know, there

758
00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: there was a big boom for sitcom about black families

759
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: in the nineties and even in the early two thousands,

760
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: but then there was sort of a dearth of those

761
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: for a little while. So this kind of, you know,

762
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: filled that void, and VH one took notice and started

763
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 1: sort of delivering content to Black America and still.

764
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 2: Do yes, and they can take some guff for it sometimes.

765
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 2: In part I saw it best explained on the Route

766
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 2: by Danielle C. Belton and She basically says, they broadcast

767
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: for Black Americans, but they're not at all beholden the

768
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,839
Speaker 2: Black Americans, so they can do basically whatever they want,

769
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 2: and they very frequently feature stereotypes of black women. It's

770
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: like angry and violent and prone to yelling and stuff

771
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: like that. So it's like a mixed bag. Yeah, but

772
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: however you approach it. As of back in twenty fourteen,

773
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 2: I didn't see any more recent statistics, but in twenty fourteen,

774
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 2: VH one was the number one network in African American households,

775
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: followed by BET and the Oprah Winfree Network. We were

776
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 2: definitely doing something that Black America liked.

777
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: They beat Oprah out. Yeah that's that says a lot.

778
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: Yes it does, and yeah for sure.

779
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 1: Another show that got them a lot of flack eventually

780
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: was Celebrity Rehab with Doctor Drew Pinsky that premier in

781
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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. There's a critic that Olivia found

782
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 1: named Kayleie Donaldson called it perhaps the most evil reality

783
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: TV series of all time. You probably know doctor Drew

784
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: from Loveline with Adam Carolla early on, and he doctor

785
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: Drew is it wasn't his. I guess a real you know,

786
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 1: therapist and trained at treating addiction, so he wasn't just

787
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: some some you know, pretty face that they put on TV.

788
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: And he claimed that he wanted to make it like

789
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 1: a real, like meaningful show where it was like an

790
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: antidote to the cruel, tabloid depictions of these people that

791
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: were suffering through addiction. But he, you know, he also

792
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 1: had to deliver an entertaining show, and those two things

793
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: could be at odds, and it got a lot of

794
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: flat because, like people started dying for their addictions.

795
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, by twenty twenty four to twelve, of by my count,

796
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: about forty five rehab patients on the show had died,

797
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: a lot of them from like overdosing or direct complications

798
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: from their addictions, like brain aneurysms, which is about more

799
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: it's a little more than a quarter, which apparently is

800
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Speaker 2: actually in line with the success rate of traditional rehab.

801
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: It's just much much, much more visible. But it was

802
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 2: also again the l word lurid to just show people's

803
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:40,280
Speaker 2: you know, low points and rock bottom after rock bottom

804
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 2: on TV for money for ad money, you.

805
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: Know, yeah for sure, And speaking of lurid, we're loath

806
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: to mention Diddy, but there was a show called I

807
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: Want to Work for Diddy in two thousand and eight,

808
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 1: and a silver lining of that is that it launched

809
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: the career of Laverne Cox and also just launched the

810
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: sort of normalization of trans people on TV. A couple

811
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: of years after that show, Laverne Cox and fellow trans

812
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: women Jamie Clayton and Nina Poon got their own VH

813
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: one show called Transform Me. It was kind of a

814
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: queer eye for the straight guy kind of thing, but

815
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: for CIS women. And it was one of the first

816
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: shows with trans stars.

817
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 2: Yes, like period and you put all this together and

818
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 2: VH one had its highest Nielsen ratings ever in this

819
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: era the late two thousands, the aught as we who

820
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 2: Lived Through It column and then tragedy struck and the

821
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 2: publicity was so searingly bad that VH one essentially through

822
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 2: the company that had been cranking out hit after hit

823
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,239
Speaker 2: for them under the bus. And it centered around the

824
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: murder by a man named Ryan Jenkins, who had been

825
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 2: a contestant on not one or had been featured on

826
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Speaker 2: not one, but two VH one reality shows. He murdered

827
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Speaker 2: his wife, Jasmine Fiore.

828
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was a real estate developer. He was a.

829
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: You know, they got rich guys to be contestants on

830
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: a dating show called Megan Wants to Be I'm sorry,

831
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: Megan Wants a Millionaire and fifty one Minds was the

832
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: name of this company that was like churning out these shows.

833
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 1: After the show ended, he married Jasmine Fiore and he

834
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,359
Speaker 1: got on I Love Money three, another VH one show,

835
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Speaker 1: and they said, fifty one months is like, hey, in retrospect,

836
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 1: I remember this storyline we had. It was going to

837
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,879
Speaker 1: revolve around him calling his new wife a lot and

838
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: seemingly obsessive and jealous and very suspicious, and he ended

839
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: up murdering her in August of two thousand and nine.

840
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it got even worse than that. He tried to

841
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:56,760
Speaker 2: prevent her from being identified, so he removed her fingers

842
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: and her teeth. He put her, folded her up in

843
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: a suitcase, and dump the suitcase in a dumpster. And

844
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: I read that it almost worked, but they identified her.

845
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 2: They had to identify her through the serial numbers on

846
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: her breast implants. And so all this comes out, and

847
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: it's very clear that Ryan Jenkins was to blame. He

848
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: hung himself in a motel room, and in his note

849
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 2: even he blames Jasmine Fiori for him killing himself. It

850
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: doesn't take any responsibility whatsoever for killing her.

851
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: I remember that now. That's I wasn't familiar, But as

852
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: soon as he said that, I kind of remember that storyline.

853
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,759
Speaker 2: Yes, and all of this happens in one month in

854
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. And if you were pumping out

855
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 2: lured reality show after lured reality show, your viewership is

856
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: going to be highly interested in this story. Yeah, and

857
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: it's going to get out, and it's gonna get out

858
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 2: to the rest of America. Who's going to make a

859
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: bunch of noise about how terrible these reality shows are.

860
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: And here's evidence of it. Because also that Ryan Jenkins guy,

861
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: it turned out that he had been convicted in Canada

862
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 2: of assaulting his girlfriend and it didn't show up on

863
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: a or he had been arrested, I'm sorry of assaulting

864
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 2: his girlfriend in Canada. Hadn't shown up on a background check.

865
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Speaker 2: So people were like, this stuff is terrible, And VH

866
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: one said, you know what, we agree. It's all that

867
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: company that sent us these shows. We didn't even want them,

868
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 2: We didn't even ask for them. This company fifty one minds,

869
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: they just made us run these shows, and they really

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Speaker 2: threw them under the bus and made it look like

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Speaker 2: they were turning their back on the whole concept, and

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Speaker 2: they did largely. There was a huge shift, but there

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Speaker 2: were still shows like Dating Naked that was on from

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen to twenty sixteen, and a lot of their

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Speaker 2: existing reality shows continued on past this scandal, but they

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Speaker 2: did shift a little more to reality TV that was

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Speaker 2: made by black creators. They kind of moved away from

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Speaker 2: the more lurid stuff to a little more and growth

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Speaker 2: seeing black created shows.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, RuPaul's Drag Race has been a big hit, sort

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Speaker 1: of a niche hit, but very very popular show. It's

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Speaker 1: you know it's RuPaul, so it's campy. It's a parody

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Speaker 1: of reality competition that launched in two thousand and nine

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Speaker 1: on Logo but then moved to VH one in twenty

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Speaker 1: seventeen and then eventually MTV in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: That's a long run.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Love and Hip Hop has been a very big

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Speaker 1: show created by Mona Scott Young. That was It started

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Speaker 1: out with kind of being about Jim Jones, the rapper,

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Speaker 1: and then eventually shifted over to his girlfriend Chrissy Lampkin.

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Speaker 1: And just the hip hop scene in New York in

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Speaker 1: their world.

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Speaker 2: Say with Basketball Wives by Shaquille O'Neil's ex wife Shawnee Henderson. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Big I just had its twelfth season. And then Nick

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Speaker 2: Cannon presents wild Nout, which is an improv competition show,

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Speaker 2: and they're still making new episodes. It started out on

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Speaker 2: MTV and the move to VH one when in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: and very much like Ridiculousness, reruns of Wilding Out are

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Speaker 2: carrying VH one right now, apparently with Fresh Prince of

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Speaker 2: bel Air and My Wife and Kids reruns.

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Speaker 1: I never saw Dating Naked. What was that about?

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Speaker 2: It was exactly what it sounds like. Oh okay, exactly.

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Speaker 2: There's no it needs no explanation whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Okay I was kidding, oh.

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Speaker 2: Me, and you got me, buddy. I think we're even

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Speaker 2: for all time now. Okay, good well, Chuck said, okay, good,

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Speaker 2: And we don't have anything more to say about VH

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Speaker 2: one except go watch some VH one and that means

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Speaker 2: it's time for listener meal.

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Speaker 1: That's right, by the way, I was not bagging on Wilco.

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Speaker 1: I hope it didn't come across that way. They are

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Speaker 1: sort of thrown in that Dad Rock category. But I

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Speaker 1: always love Wilco. I read all of Jeff Tweety's books,

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Speaker 1: was big into Uncle Tupelo, so I'm not bagging on Wilco.

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Speaker 1: I like Wolco.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Tweety's The Spymaster and The Teen Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course, and The Tinker or two is

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Speaker 1: really good. Hey, Chuck, Josh and Jerry have been listening

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Speaker 1: for a few years and used to do the sandwich

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00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 1: method for listening to the episodes, but recently decided to

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Speaker 1: work all my way through and catch up to the present.

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Speaker 1: I find this is a better method personally, since listener

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Speaker 1: mail on references for past shows don't really make sense

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Speaker 1: when listening to newer episodes before listening to the episodes

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Speaker 1: that came before. AnyWho, this is not why I'm writing it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you're aware. But Chuck Stradamus struck

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Speaker 1: again the episode April twenty six, twenty eighteen. Does pyromania

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Speaker 1: actually exist? Josh brings up John Leonard or convicted serial arsonist,

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Speaker 1: mass murdered former firefighter, arsenist investigator, and Chuck around thirty

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Speaker 1: four to thirty nine says that's a movie waiting to

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Speaker 1: happen well, my friends. Seven years later, Apple TV releases Smoke,

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Speaker 1: a TV show based on John Leonard or Wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: haven't watched the show, I definitely recommend watching, even though

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Speaker 1: I've spoiled the plot. Keep up the good work, guys. Ps.

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Speaker 1: Is Chuck's ability a gift or crazy coincidence? That is

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Speaker 1: Brenda s from Dallas, Texas and Brenda, I love that

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Speaker 1: you're getting my back? Is Chuckstra Damas because my past

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Speaker 1: predictions of Hugh Jackman playing p T. Barnum and most

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Speaker 1: notably that I thought Jared from Subway was a creep

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Speaker 1: long before his truth came out.

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Speaker 2: Don't forget predicting Sharknado.

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Speaker 1: Oh and Sharknado. That's true. That might be the feather

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Speaker 1: in the cap. But in this case, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you can really claim Chucks Stra Dama's territory. If

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Speaker 1: it's just like, hey, that would make a good movie

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Speaker 1: and it became a movie.

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Speaker 2: I feel like you really just burst Brenda's bubble.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm bursting my own bubble. What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Can I get a ruling from you, dear leader?

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Speaker 2: I will allow it as one of Chuckstra Dramas's predictions

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Speaker 2: that came true.

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Speaker 1: All right, it's canon, Okay, not Nick Cannon.

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Speaker 2: No, we're not wilding out here or not. If you

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Speaker 2: want to get in touch with us like Brenda and

955
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: try your luck at having us burst your bubble and

956
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:06,319
Speaker 2: have a lot of alliteration as we do, you can

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Speaker 2: send us an email to Stuff podcast at iHeartRadio dot com.

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