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Speaker 1: Welcome to tex Stuff, a production from I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, and welcome to tex Stuff. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland. I'm an executive producer with I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: And how the tech are you? Uh So, this is

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Speaker 1: probably gonna be a little long for a tech Stuff

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Speaker 1: tidbits episode, but it's also I think it's gonna be

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Speaker 1: somewhere between the tidbits in a full episode. We'll see

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Speaker 1: when we get done, won't we. But I thought I

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Speaker 1: would do a spotlight on a particular startup story during

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Speaker 1: the heyday of the dot com bubble, as in when

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Speaker 1: dot com companies were considered the new you know, gold rush.

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Speaker 1: And it's a story about greed, deception, and a spectacular collapse.

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Speaker 1: So let's set the scene. And by the way, this

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Speaker 1: is a story that has been told before, and I'll

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Speaker 1: talk a little bit about a particular depiction of this

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Speaker 1: later on. Now, in the early nineties, very few people

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Speaker 1: outside of academia and maybe some research facilities, some military facilities,

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Speaker 1: very few people were aware of the Internet. In general.

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Speaker 1: The mainstream was blissfully ignorant of the Internet. People might

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Speaker 1: have made use of an online service provider or OSP

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Speaker 1: bulletin board system or BBS. But these were kind of

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Speaker 1: windows into tiny walled gardens for the most part, and

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Speaker 1: they only offered a hint of what would be possible

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Speaker 1: with the proliferation of the Internet and the Worldwide Web.

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Speaker 1: As such, no one was really thinking ahead about, you know,

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Speaker 1: monetizing the Internet in a meaningful way, because again, most

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Speaker 1: folks didn't even know the Internet existed, but then came

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Speaker 1: the Worldwide Web in the early nineties. If you listen

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Speaker 1: to my interview with barrittun Day Thurston, then you know

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Speaker 1: I was skeptical of the Web when I first countered

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Speaker 1: it in college, and I could hardly be blamed because

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Speaker 1: at that point the Web was essentially a bunch of

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Speaker 1: text based pages. Uh these were static pages, so nothing

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Speaker 1: would change on them, and everything kind of looked like

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Speaker 1: was not exciting. It didn't resemble today's web at all, really,

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Speaker 1: But with netscapes, introduction of the Secure Sockets Layer or SSL,

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Speaker 1: and the foundation of companies like eBay and Amazon, the

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Speaker 1: after that, folks began to really dream big about the

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Speaker 1: and the Web in particular. And behind those companies was

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Speaker 1: the financial sector, And in this case we're talking mostly

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Speaker 1: about venture capitalists and other types of investors who saw

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Speaker 1: into let's see a metric buttload of money. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: these are rich people looking to get way more rich.

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Speaker 1: For the most part, there are probably some people who

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Speaker 1: probably couldn't afford to invest, and we're doing it anyway.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, this was these were the money people, right.

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Speaker 1: The potential of the Internet in general and the Web

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Speaker 1: So we started seeing these various money people for ludicrous

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Speaker 1: So while they were flush with investment capital and they

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Speaker 1: them would end up seeking multiple rounds of funding, and

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Speaker 1: have ways to generate revenue. They weren't like just completely directionless. However,

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Speaker 1: that the dot com bubble ultimately burst, and it was

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Speaker 1: due to a lot of different factors. But our story

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Speaker 1: called Pixelon. Now, a man calling himself Michael Finna founded

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Speaker 1: Pixelon in n in San Juan Capistrano, California, and the

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Speaker 1: whole purpose of pixelon was to bring streaming video to

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Speaker 1: In much of the world that was online was still

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Speaker 1: to look at it another way, YouTube, arguably the best

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Speaker 1: So a web based video platform capable of sending streaming

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Speaker 1: He had founded a quote unquote computer business, which is

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Speaker 1: a one thousand channel internet video platform capable of streaming

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Speaker 1: Internet connection. So Michael Finney seemed determined and he established

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Speaker 1: So Ward was guiding the company toward a round of fundraising,

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