1 00:00:04,795 --> 00:00:21,315 Speaker 1: Countdown with Keith Olderman is a production of iHeartRadio. Well 2 00:00:22,395 --> 00:00:27,155 Speaker 1: Trump didn't sleep through any of that, did he. There 3 00:00:27,155 --> 00:00:29,475 Speaker 1: are a couple of big picture headlines from day one 4 00:00:29,515 --> 00:00:32,435 Speaker 1: of Stormy Daniel's testimony that I have not seen mentioned 5 00:00:32,435 --> 00:00:37,315 Speaker 1: anywhere else. First of all, Trump's lawyer Ms Necklace, everybody reports, 6 00:00:37,595 --> 00:00:40,315 Speaker 1: seems to have made inroads in her effort to convince 7 00:00:40,355 --> 00:00:44,475 Speaker 1: the jury that miss Daniels would say or do almost 8 00:00:44,515 --> 00:00:53,675 Speaker 1: anything for money. She's a pornographic actress. Whether you approve 9 00:00:53,995 --> 00:00:58,275 Speaker 1: of that profession or abhorred, or like me, you're agnostic. 10 00:00:58,355 --> 00:01:00,315 Speaker 1: I mean there are a lot of other lines of 11 00:01:00,355 --> 00:01:04,315 Speaker 1: work that are way less defensible, like foreclosing on mortgages 12 00:01:04,435 --> 00:01:08,355 Speaker 1: or working for Fox News. Whatever your reaction towards people 13 00:01:08,395 --> 00:01:13,195 Speaker 1: in the adult entertainment industry, one statement should never be 14 00:01:13,315 --> 00:01:17,115 Speaker 1: among those you express in shock or dismay or surprise. 15 00:01:17,395 --> 00:01:21,835 Speaker 1: Oh no, she's a portographic actress. She will do or 16 00:01:21,875 --> 00:01:26,635 Speaker 1: say almost anything for money if her profession and the 17 00:01:26,715 --> 00:01:31,395 Speaker 1: requisite flexibility her experience with a sleezebag like Trump demands 18 00:01:31,435 --> 00:01:34,475 Speaker 1: of her A I did sleep with him. B Oh no, 19 00:01:34,595 --> 00:01:37,355 Speaker 1: he's suing me. I'm changing my story. I didn't sleep 20 00:01:37,395 --> 00:01:39,435 Speaker 1: with him. See, they're willing to pay me a lot 21 00:01:39,435 --> 00:01:41,595 Speaker 1: of money for my story and bury it. So yes, 22 00:01:41,675 --> 00:01:44,875 Speaker 1: I did sleep with him. D he sued me again, 23 00:01:45,235 --> 00:01:51,955 Speaker 1: so I hate him. If that surprises you, have I 24 00:01:52,035 --> 00:01:56,235 Speaker 1: got bad news for you about Santa, which leads to 25 00:01:56,315 --> 00:02:00,235 Speaker 1: the second meta headline, My god, the media, especially the 26 00:02:00,275 --> 00:02:04,795 Speaker 1: television networks, treated her testimony like they were cicadas, and 27 00:02:04,835 --> 00:02:08,195 Speaker 1: Stormy Daniels was the ring girl who stepped between the 28 00:02:08,275 --> 00:02:13,315 Speaker 1: ropes to announce the start of the thirteenth year. My god, 29 00:02:13,435 --> 00:02:18,315 Speaker 1: they all awoke from somnambulance about bank records and cell 30 00:02:18,395 --> 00:02:25,035 Speaker 1: phone extractions and the testimony of comptrollers and people named Rona, 31 00:02:25,755 --> 00:02:28,355 Speaker 1: and they were able to say, at least to themselves, 32 00:02:28,435 --> 00:02:33,555 Speaker 1: good grief. Get a load of those rebuttals. The two 33 00:02:34,075 --> 00:02:38,355 Speaker 1: most sex obsessed groups of people in the world, to 34 00:02:38,515 --> 00:02:42,395 Speaker 1: my experience in sixty five years on this planet, are 35 00:02:42,595 --> 00:02:47,555 Speaker 1: eighth grade boys and reporters, and I am not sure 36 00:02:47,755 --> 00:02:52,435 Speaker 1: which one wins. But as I read and watched the coverage, 37 00:02:52,435 --> 00:02:58,195 Speaker 1: it was clear yesterday was their day, and today will 38 00:02:58,235 --> 00:03:01,275 Speaker 1: be the day they get to relive their day. And tomorrow, 39 00:03:01,555 --> 00:03:03,875 Speaker 1: when she goes back on the stands, that could be 40 00:03:03,915 --> 00:03:08,035 Speaker 1: an even better day for them. It was so obvious 41 00:03:08,915 --> 00:03:11,795 Speaker 1: that when participants in media insist it's not about sex, 42 00:03:11,795 --> 00:03:14,555 Speaker 1: what they actually mean is it's only about sex. So 43 00:03:14,875 --> 00:03:19,235 Speaker 1: obvious that I swear I saw Wolf Blitzer's face move. 44 00:03:21,035 --> 00:03:23,795 Speaker 1: Speaking of CNN, if for those of us old enough 45 00:03:23,795 --> 00:03:26,315 Speaker 1: to have been forced to cover it, forced to wade 46 00:03:26,395 --> 00:03:29,315 Speaker 1: through it, forced to anchor it, forced to treat it 47 00:03:29,355 --> 00:03:31,555 Speaker 1: as if it had not been about sex and only 48 00:03:31,635 --> 00:03:35,715 Speaker 1: about sex, yesterday it was a one hundred percent flashback 49 00:03:35,955 --> 00:03:39,715 Speaker 1: to the Monica Lewinsky story. And to tie it all together, 50 00:03:40,795 --> 00:03:46,995 Speaker 1: who was there anchoring for CNN? Jake Tapper. Jake Tapper 51 00:03:47,275 --> 00:03:51,355 Speaker 1: who first bobbed up out of the primordial ocean of 52 00:03:51,475 --> 00:03:57,035 Speaker 1: non entities in local Washington twentieth century media, because nine 53 00:03:57,155 --> 00:04:01,315 Speaker 1: days after the Clinton Lewinsky scandal broke, he wrote an 54 00:04:01,395 --> 00:04:06,355 Speaker 1: article for Washington City Paper called I dated Monica Lewinsky 55 00:04:06,515 --> 00:04:10,475 Speaker 1: and got a career out of it. Anyway, more on 56 00:04:10,515 --> 00:04:16,355 Speaker 1: that momentarily, especially why I say anyway, the coverage yesterday 57 00:04:16,555 --> 00:04:22,035 Speaker 1: was sex, cross examination, sex. There were contradictions, sex tough, 58 00:04:22,155 --> 00:04:26,755 Speaker 1: cross sexeminar, I'm sorry, examination sex and sex and sex 59 00:04:26,795 --> 00:04:31,235 Speaker 1: and sex, which leads into the fourth meta headline, Stormy 60 00:04:31,315 --> 00:04:35,715 Speaker 1: Daniels is not on trial here. Stormy Daniels is incidental 61 00:04:35,755 --> 00:04:38,995 Speaker 1: to this case. That is not what you would have 62 00:04:39,075 --> 00:04:42,955 Speaker 1: thought if you watched coverage of it yesterday. But the 63 00:04:42,995 --> 00:04:48,075 Speaker 1: sex isn't illegal, the money isn't illegal. Trump isn't illegal. 64 00:04:49,235 --> 00:04:53,835 Speaker 1: Daniels changing her story isn't illegal. Buying her story to 65 00:04:53,915 --> 00:04:55,995 Speaker 1: keep it from becoming public in the weeks before an 66 00:04:55,995 --> 00:04:59,035 Speaker 1: election for president, and then hiding those payoffs to prevent 67 00:04:59,155 --> 00:05:02,275 Speaker 1: them from becoming public in the weeks before a presidential election, 68 00:05:02,515 --> 00:05:07,715 Speaker 1: that's illegal. And all those boring receipts and records and 69 00:05:07,995 --> 00:05:13,195 Speaker 1: notations written by hand by a guy named Alan Alan 70 00:05:13,355 --> 00:05:20,115 Speaker 1: with two l's, that is the case for the prosecution, 71 00:05:20,355 --> 00:05:24,835 Speaker 1: my lord, and denying that there was sex as Trump passed, 72 00:05:24,955 --> 00:05:28,715 Speaker 1: lying about that, as Trump has That is why Stormy 73 00:05:28,795 --> 00:05:34,995 Speaker 1: Daniels is there to testify that he's lying. And she's 74 00:05:34,995 --> 00:05:40,075 Speaker 1: also there, so wolf Blitzer's face moves, which brings me 75 00:05:40,155 --> 00:05:42,755 Speaker 1: lastly to the fifth Big Picture headline. And I have 76 00:05:42,795 --> 00:05:44,835 Speaker 1: to admit I was a little surprised by this one. 77 00:05:44,875 --> 00:05:47,915 Speaker 1: If the Monday juxtaposition of Trump may be going to 78 00:05:47,995 --> 00:05:51,555 Speaker 1: jail over the gag order and Christy Nome quintuples down 79 00:05:51,555 --> 00:05:53,555 Speaker 1: on the idea that shooting puppies in the face is 80 00:05:53,595 --> 00:05:57,395 Speaker 1: a good thing. If that underscored how MAGA believes it 81 00:05:57,435 --> 00:06:01,875 Speaker 1: has the right to kill, then yesterday's juxtaposition of Nome's 82 00:06:01,995 --> 00:06:07,755 Speaker 1: disastrous media tour more on that debris shortly and Trump 83 00:06:07,835 --> 00:06:13,835 Speaker 1: on trial. This underscores that these really deeply disturbed borderline 84 00:06:13,915 --> 00:06:17,915 Speaker 1: personalities like Trump and Gnome and all the other MAGA frauds, 85 00:06:18,475 --> 00:06:22,115 Speaker 1: they do not do well when confronted with reality from 86 00:06:22,155 --> 00:06:27,435 Speaker 1: which they cannot run and they cannot hide. It is sadly, 87 00:06:27,635 --> 00:06:31,075 Speaker 1: absolutely possible that Trump does not get convicted. I mean, 88 00:06:31,155 --> 00:06:36,115 Speaker 1: it's a trial. OJ Simpson did not get convicted at trial. 89 00:06:37,235 --> 00:06:39,795 Speaker 1: But at about the same percentage likelihood is the chance 90 00:06:39,835 --> 00:06:44,395 Speaker 1: that Trump will stroke out from embarrassment. First, I know, 91 00:06:44,515 --> 00:06:47,915 Speaker 1: he does not seem capable of embarrassment. I mean, he 92 00:06:48,035 --> 00:06:51,115 Speaker 1: goes out in public with hair like that every day 93 00:06:51,395 --> 00:06:57,395 Speaker 1: and bronzer on it more makeup than Christynome wears. Then again, 94 00:06:57,515 --> 00:07:00,395 Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever been metaphorically tied to a 95 00:07:00,555 --> 00:07:05,195 Speaker 1: chair this way and been forced to suffer through harassment 96 00:07:05,275 --> 00:07:07,315 Speaker 1: for at least two days. While the fate of the 97 00:07:07,395 --> 00:07:09,875 Speaker 1: nation rests in part on the shoulders of a woman 98 00:07:09,915 --> 00:07:15,035 Speaker 1: who chooses to be called Stormy. The creepiness of him 99 00:07:15,115 --> 00:07:18,435 Speaker 1: telling her just before sex that she reminded him of 100 00:07:18,475 --> 00:07:22,395 Speaker 1: his daughter, That doesn't surprise anybody. The fact that it 101 00:07:22,435 --> 00:07:25,955 Speaker 1: was said under oath and probably made his own lawyers 102 00:07:26,035 --> 00:07:29,515 Speaker 1: lean slightly further away from him at the table, that 103 00:07:29,635 --> 00:07:34,035 Speaker 1: probably does surprise people. He showed her a picture of 104 00:07:34,075 --> 00:07:39,635 Speaker 1: his wife, also a totally natural bit of foreplay, then said, 105 00:07:39,675 --> 00:07:42,195 Speaker 1: don't worry about her. They don't even sleep in the 106 00:07:42,235 --> 00:07:45,435 Speaker 1: same room. And that's the least shocking shock of all time. 107 00:07:46,315 --> 00:07:49,395 Speaker 1: That she said he was so rude she should spank him, 108 00:07:49,395 --> 00:07:52,835 Speaker 1: and he acquiesced, all right, judge him if you want to, 109 00:07:52,915 --> 00:07:54,475 Speaker 1: But the rest of us are trying to put him 110 00:07:54,475 --> 00:07:58,475 Speaker 1: in jail for life. We get the idea. But the 111 00:07:58,595 --> 00:08:03,675 Speaker 1: ultimate moment of reality spanking Trump yesterday was when Stormy 112 00:08:03,755 --> 00:08:07,675 Speaker 1: Daniels explained but he asked her questions about the adult 113 00:08:07,795 --> 00:08:13,395 Speaker 1: entertainment industry. Is their condom use? Are you tested for STDs? 114 00:08:14,235 --> 00:08:18,995 Speaker 1: Is there a physician on staff? These are questions about 115 00:08:18,995 --> 00:08:21,955 Speaker 1: the adult entertainment industry and film industry that may have 116 00:08:22,035 --> 00:08:24,755 Speaker 1: had an ulterior motive When you stop to think about them. 117 00:08:24,915 --> 00:08:27,915 Speaker 1: But the one line that will stick to me always 118 00:08:28,515 --> 00:08:31,955 Speaker 1: is Stormy Daniels, then insisting that just before they had sex, 119 00:08:32,235 --> 00:08:39,115 Speaker 1: Trump asked her do you get health insurance? That is 120 00:08:39,195 --> 00:08:47,515 Speaker 1: the greatest awful pickup line I have ever heard. Hey baby, 121 00:08:47,915 --> 00:08:55,155 Speaker 1: do you get health insurance? Some other lesser headlines. No, 122 00:08:55,635 --> 00:08:58,075 Speaker 1: I want to believe it too, But no, it's not true. 123 00:08:58,235 --> 00:09:01,595 Speaker 1: Trump is not skipping his son's high school graduation, after 124 00:09:01,635 --> 00:09:05,235 Speaker 1: all that nine days from now to instead go campaign 125 00:09:05,235 --> 00:09:09,235 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, rendering the entire self martyrdom of the judge. 126 00:09:09,235 --> 00:09:12,995 Speaker 1: Won't let me go into just another confidence trick. The 127 00:09:13,075 --> 00:09:16,795 Speaker 1: graduation is at ten am Eastern. The campaign event in 128 00:09:16,875 --> 00:09:20,915 Speaker 1: Minnesota is at five Central, sixth Eastern. The flight is 129 00:09:21,035 --> 00:09:25,475 Speaker 1: three hours and he has his own plane. Sorry, this 130 00:09:25,955 --> 00:09:29,515 Speaker 1: is actually this is actually me defending Trump that day. 131 00:09:30,115 --> 00:09:34,635 Speaker 1: But yes, his concierge judge, the former chief hot yoga 132 00:09:34,635 --> 00:09:39,395 Speaker 1: correspondent of the Miami Nuevo Herald, Eileen Cannon, she has 133 00:09:39,435 --> 00:09:43,315 Speaker 1: delayed the start of the espionage trial in Florida indefinitely. 134 00:09:43,435 --> 00:09:47,515 Speaker 1: Because I'm translating this from legal ease, there's too much 135 00:09:47,715 --> 00:09:50,795 Speaker 1: stuff for her to think about before she schedules a 136 00:09:50,875 --> 00:09:54,795 Speaker 1: start date. Canon has been in the bag for Trump 137 00:09:54,835 --> 00:09:57,835 Speaker 1: since before this case began, and if he has not 138 00:09:57,955 --> 00:10:00,555 Speaker 1: yet decided to do it, now is time for Jack 139 00:10:00,555 --> 00:10:03,715 Speaker 1: Smith to go to the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals 140 00:10:03,955 --> 00:10:07,235 Speaker 1: and ask if there might be any other ex Chief 141 00:10:07,275 --> 00:10:11,155 Speaker 1: Hot Yoga correspondence of the Miami Nuevo Herald now serving 142 00:10:11,195 --> 00:10:14,435 Speaker 1: as judges who have not violated all legal ethics and 143 00:10:14,475 --> 00:10:17,715 Speaker 1: exhausted all possible justifications for running out the clock on 144 00:10:17,795 --> 00:10:20,235 Speaker 1: behalf of the creature who appointed her, and also to 145 00:10:20,275 --> 00:10:23,235 Speaker 1: start an investigation of this woman Cannon, because at this 146 00:10:23,355 --> 00:10:25,595 Speaker 1: rate the question is no longer and if the Trump 147 00:10:25,635 --> 00:10:28,555 Speaker 1: documents trial in Florida will end before the twenty twenty 148 00:10:28,555 --> 00:10:31,435 Speaker 1: four election, it's whether or not it will end before 149 00:10:31,475 --> 00:10:37,675 Speaker 1: the election in twenty twenty eight. Lastly, on Trump on 150 00:10:37,875 --> 00:10:43,555 Speaker 1: Legal I promised more of Jake Tapper exploiting his date 151 00:10:43,635 --> 00:10:47,795 Speaker 1: with Monica s Lewinsky while pretending he wasn't exploiting his 152 00:10:47,875 --> 00:10:52,515 Speaker 1: date with Monica s Lewinsky nine days after the scandal 153 00:10:52,555 --> 00:10:56,195 Speaker 1: broke in nineteen ninety eight. My hands are not clean 154 00:10:56,315 --> 00:10:58,675 Speaker 1: on this. I did eventually try to get out of 155 00:10:58,755 --> 00:11:00,955 Speaker 1: the show I was doing that was basically all about 156 00:11:01,035 --> 00:11:04,515 Speaker 1: Lewinsky and Clinton. But for the first couple of weeks, 157 00:11:04,835 --> 00:11:07,395 Speaker 1: I enjoyed suddenly having an audience of more than a 158 00:11:07,435 --> 00:11:09,835 Speaker 1: million every night when we've been going along with like 159 00:11:09,915 --> 00:11:13,075 Speaker 1: ten thousand viewers. My hands are not clean. On the 160 00:11:13,075 --> 00:11:16,435 Speaker 1: other hand, they are not this dirty. Let me quote 161 00:11:16,515 --> 00:11:21,275 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper's article I Dated Monica Lewinsky January thirtieth, nineteen 162 00:11:21,395 --> 00:11:25,355 Speaker 1: ninety eight. I hesitate here because I have no desire 163 00:11:25,395 --> 00:11:32,795 Speaker 1: to appear on hard copy or banter with msnbcb's and 164 00:11:32,915 --> 00:11:36,315 Speaker 1: essentially I feel bad for poor Monica and feel unclean, 165 00:11:36,555 --> 00:11:41,235 Speaker 1: adding my feeble barnacle to her ship of fame. Although 166 00:11:41,275 --> 00:11:44,035 Speaker 1: I will admit to an odd weave of loathing and 167 00:11:44,275 --> 00:11:49,555 Speaker 1: envy when I watch the blabocracy breathlessly weighing in, Hey, 168 00:11:49,835 --> 00:11:53,275 Speaker 1: I think they don't even know this chick. But I 169 00:11:53,315 --> 00:11:56,635 Speaker 1: am not jumping in because one dinner with Monica enabled 170 00:11:56,635 --> 00:11:58,995 Speaker 1: me to read her mind as she sits with friends 171 00:11:59,195 --> 00:12:04,035 Speaker 1: and family at the Watergate hondering her fate. I write 172 00:12:04,195 --> 00:12:07,515 Speaker 1: clearly because I want a piece of this story, just 173 00:12:07,955 --> 00:12:13,755 Speaker 1: like everybody else. Later quote, Am I drunk? Or is 174 00:12:13,795 --> 00:12:19,195 Speaker 1: she cute? I asked maloney, which one, he said, Monica, 175 00:12:19,315 --> 00:12:23,795 Speaker 1: I said the one in the black. You're drunk, said Maloney. 176 00:12:23,955 --> 00:12:28,515 Speaker 1: A rugby pretty boy. I overruled him. She was cute, 177 00:12:29,115 --> 00:12:36,315 Speaker 1: if a little zoftig, and friendly and nice. Later physically 178 00:12:36,395 --> 00:12:40,195 Speaker 1: she was pleasant without being overwhelming. She's a little chubby, 179 00:12:41,515 --> 00:12:45,115 Speaker 1: but she's leaps and bounds prettier than that vacuous mugshot 180 00:12:45,195 --> 00:12:48,315 Speaker 1: beamed all over the world. You know how some photos 181 00:12:48,315 --> 00:12:50,795 Speaker 1: of yourself can make you cringe. Imagine if one of 182 00:12:50,835 --> 00:12:54,155 Speaker 1: those became a new international icon. We should be allowed 183 00:12:54,195 --> 00:12:57,315 Speaker 1: to pick our own pictures at times like these. A 184 00:12:57,355 --> 00:13:00,995 Speaker 1: great dresser. She wore some black seventies number kind of 185 00:13:01,195 --> 00:13:04,355 Speaker 1: but not in the slightest bit revealing or inappropriate. The 186 00:13:04,395 --> 00:13:08,355 Speaker 1: reason and DC quizzlings are hissing about her wacky dresses 187 00:13:08,355 --> 00:13:10,715 Speaker 1: because she has a sense of style and this city 188 00:13:10,755 --> 00:13:16,835 Speaker 1: simply does not. So a sweet girl nice. Maybe we'll 189 00:13:16,835 --> 00:13:26,075 Speaker 1: go out again, I thought, Jake Tapper, I've written cringe 190 00:13:26,115 --> 00:13:29,915 Speaker 1: worthy stuff in my life. I've written cringe worthy stuff 191 00:13:29,915 --> 00:13:33,795 Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety eight. I've written cringe worthy stuff about 192 00:13:33,835 --> 00:13:39,715 Speaker 1: Monica Lewinsky, but nothing that could compete with Jake Tapper, 193 00:13:40,275 --> 00:13:43,515 Speaker 1: and just the parts of that article I just read you, Jake, 194 00:13:44,355 --> 00:14:02,035 Speaker 1: you win by shutout in all three categories. Yeah, and 195 00:14:02,075 --> 00:14:09,195 Speaker 1: then there's Christinome. Three sound bites. First with the X 196 00:14:09,355 --> 00:14:14,875 Speaker 1: Fox anchor Eric Bowling on Newsmax. This he actually said 197 00:14:14,955 --> 00:14:19,075 Speaker 1: out loud and the studio did not erupt in laughter. 198 00:14:19,275 --> 00:14:21,075 Speaker 2: I've also written a couple of books, and I know 199 00:14:21,155 --> 00:14:23,435 Speaker 2: how the process works. You write some chapters. You don't 200 00:14:23,435 --> 00:14:24,955 Speaker 2: write the whole book at once. You write a chapter 201 00:14:25,035 --> 00:14:27,875 Speaker 2: or two, You send it to the editors and they edit, 202 00:14:27,995 --> 00:14:30,595 Speaker 2: They read it, they add, they subtract. And here's my 203 00:14:30,675 --> 00:14:34,715 Speaker 2: question the editor, the editor, was she possibly a plant? 204 00:14:34,795 --> 00:14:37,795 Speaker 2: A liberal plant, because I'm not sure either one of 205 00:14:37,835 --> 00:14:40,635 Speaker 2: these stories, the dog story of the North Korea story 206 00:14:41,195 --> 00:14:43,435 Speaker 2: seems like the Christinome. I know. 207 00:14:45,355 --> 00:14:47,715 Speaker 3: Now the book always stops with me. I take my 208 00:14:47,795 --> 00:14:50,875 Speaker 3: own full responsibility. I wrote this book, and I take 209 00:14:50,875 --> 00:14:52,435 Speaker 3: the responsibility for what's in it. 210 00:14:52,475 --> 00:14:53,235 Speaker 4: It's a great book. 211 00:14:53,555 --> 00:14:56,875 Speaker 1: No, Eric Bowling, Christy Nomes editor was not a plant. 212 00:14:57,635 --> 00:15:01,955 Speaker 1: Eric Bowling. However, Eric Bowling is a plant, a fern, 213 00:15:02,595 --> 00:15:06,515 Speaker 1: I think, And it just went downhill from there. This, 214 00:15:06,675 --> 00:15:09,835 Speaker 1: believe it or not, is Christy Nooam yesterday on Newsmax 215 00:15:10,555 --> 00:15:15,995 Speaker 1: Newsmax the anchor is named Rob Finnerty And I'll just 216 00:15:16,115 --> 00:15:18,595 Speaker 1: let you enjoy this, then I'll burst your balloon about 217 00:15:18,675 --> 00:15:19,435 Speaker 1: Rob Finderdy. 218 00:15:19,515 --> 00:15:19,835 Speaker 4: Governor. 219 00:15:19,835 --> 00:15:21,995 Speaker 5: If you asked me a month ago who's at the 220 00:15:21,995 --> 00:15:23,755 Speaker 5: top of the list to run with Donald Trump, I 221 00:15:23,795 --> 00:15:25,875 Speaker 5: would have said your name. If you asked me that 222 00:15:25,915 --> 00:15:27,675 Speaker 5: same question this morning, I don't even think you're on 223 00:15:27,715 --> 00:15:28,075 Speaker 5: the list. 224 00:15:28,235 --> 00:15:30,715 Speaker 4: Really, So my question for you, yes, really. 225 00:15:30,515 --> 00:15:31,995 Speaker 5: And it's because of things that have come out in 226 00:15:32,035 --> 00:15:34,395 Speaker 5: this book, like your claims that you met Kim Jong un. 227 00:15:34,755 --> 00:15:37,315 Speaker 4: And then over the last week i've been. 228 00:15:37,235 --> 00:15:39,755 Speaker 3: To the DMZ, I've been t every one I said stared. 229 00:15:39,635 --> 00:15:41,955 Speaker 5: On Kim Jong Let me, Governor, one second. I will 230 00:15:41,955 --> 00:15:43,635 Speaker 5: give you an opportunity to respond. I just want to 231 00:15:43,635 --> 00:15:46,075 Speaker 5: get this out there. So here's the quote from the book. 232 00:15:47,075 --> 00:15:49,195 Speaker 5: You say that I remember when I met North Korean 233 00:15:49,235 --> 00:15:52,515 Speaker 5: dictator Kim Jong un. I'm sure he underestimated me, having 234 00:15:52,555 --> 00:15:55,995 Speaker 5: no clue about my experience staring down little tyrants. 235 00:15:56,035 --> 00:15:57,075 Speaker 4: Governor, that never happened. 236 00:15:57,315 --> 00:15:59,435 Speaker 3: But I have said in the book is that when 237 00:15:59,435 --> 00:16:01,875 Speaker 3: I became aware of the content that we had, it changed, 238 00:16:02,315 --> 00:16:04,555 Speaker 3: and that's the way that it is. So I should 239 00:16:04,795 --> 00:16:07,155 Speaker 3: to put that anode in the book that I'm not 240 00:16:07,195 --> 00:16:07,595 Speaker 3: going to. 241 00:16:07,475 --> 00:16:09,435 Speaker 4: Talk about any case that it happened. 242 00:16:09,515 --> 00:16:12,795 Speaker 3: I'm not going to talk about my conversations with world leaders. 243 00:16:12,795 --> 00:16:16,355 Speaker 3: I've been involved in policy for thirty years. For thirty years, 244 00:16:16,395 --> 00:16:19,835 Speaker 3: I've been traveling the world talking to world leaders, and 245 00:16:19,875 --> 00:16:22,395 Speaker 3: that is a conversation that I'm not going to. 246 00:16:22,355 --> 00:16:23,075 Speaker 4: Have in this book. 247 00:16:24,195 --> 00:16:27,235 Speaker 3: So I've answered that in other in interviews already. I've 248 00:16:27,235 --> 00:16:30,235 Speaker 3: been very forthright, and I think that a typical politician 249 00:16:30,315 --> 00:16:33,555 Speaker 3: wouldn't be that honest. As soon as it became my attention, 250 00:16:33,955 --> 00:16:35,595 Speaker 3: I asked for the content to be changed, and it 251 00:16:35,595 --> 00:16:35,915 Speaker 3: has been. 252 00:16:35,995 --> 00:16:36,315 Speaker 4: Governor. 253 00:16:36,355 --> 00:16:39,315 Speaker 5: I'm not asking you about the details of this alleged meeting. 254 00:16:39,395 --> 00:16:41,555 Speaker 4: I'm asking if the meeting actually happened. 255 00:16:41,795 --> 00:16:43,555 Speaker 5: I don't think it did, and I think if it did, 256 00:16:43,595 --> 00:16:45,715 Speaker 5: you'd be able to confirm for me that yes, it did. 257 00:16:45,915 --> 00:16:49,315 Speaker 5: And here's when it happened. It happens, say at such 258 00:16:49,315 --> 00:16:50,835 Speaker 5: and such a date or a month, or. 259 00:16:50,835 --> 00:16:52,475 Speaker 3: You don't have to be talk about I'm not going 260 00:16:52,515 --> 00:16:53,635 Speaker 3: to talk about my conversation. 261 00:16:53,675 --> 00:16:55,795 Speaker 4: You're going to continue to have to answer this question. Then, 262 00:16:56,115 --> 00:16:56,675 Speaker 4: I don't think. 263 00:16:56,555 --> 00:17:01,675 Speaker 1: So okay that Infinity guy was an actual newscaster in Bakersfield, 264 00:17:01,715 --> 00:17:03,995 Speaker 1: in Kansas City and Tampa, and I think for a 265 00:17:03,995 --> 00:17:08,275 Speaker 1: second there, I imagine he's still employed. But in twenty 266 00:17:08,275 --> 00:17:11,475 Speaker 1: twenty two on Newsmax, he told a startled live guest 267 00:17:11,515 --> 00:17:15,795 Speaker 1: that Russia had apparently surrendered to Ukraine, and as the 268 00:17:15,835 --> 00:17:19,555 Speaker 1: guests started to turn blue, Finnerty said, oh, you fell 269 00:17:19,595 --> 00:17:22,915 Speaker 1: for it. Look at the calendar. It's April first. Still 270 00:17:23,275 --> 00:17:26,955 Speaker 1: the stop clocked got it right. And then there's Christy 271 00:17:27,035 --> 00:17:30,195 Speaker 1: Nooam on Fox Business with Stuart Varney yesterday. And all 272 00:17:30,235 --> 00:17:34,195 Speaker 1: I'll say is that I worked with Stuve Varney forty 273 00:17:34,435 --> 00:17:38,555 Speaker 1: three years ago when I started at CNN, and I 274 00:17:38,635 --> 00:17:42,075 Speaker 1: cannot think of him even through all that's happened since, 275 00:17:42,755 --> 00:17:46,715 Speaker 1: without affection. He was a great guy. They told me 276 00:17:46,755 --> 00:17:49,475 Speaker 1: one afternoon that a piece on the seven pm sportscast 277 00:17:49,555 --> 00:17:52,555 Speaker 1: on CNN they used to have sportscast on CNN, had 278 00:17:52,635 --> 00:17:55,195 Speaker 1: fallen through, and that I had to then write and 279 00:17:55,315 --> 00:17:59,955 Speaker 1: read a commentary about Tom sever and New York sports writers, 280 00:17:59,995 --> 00:18:02,395 Speaker 1: a thing we'd been discussing as a possible piece, and 281 00:18:02,435 --> 00:18:04,475 Speaker 1: they wanted me to turn it into a commentary and 282 00:18:04,475 --> 00:18:06,835 Speaker 1: I'd have to do it and read it off the teleprompter. 283 00:18:07,115 --> 00:18:10,315 Speaker 1: Live on the network that night, and I mentioned that 284 00:18:10,395 --> 00:18:13,315 Speaker 1: I didn't know how to use a teleprompter, and they said, 285 00:18:13,355 --> 00:18:16,315 Speaker 1: find somebody to teach you, and they hung up, And 286 00:18:16,355 --> 00:18:19,595 Speaker 1: as I whimpered, Stu Varney heard about it, came over 287 00:18:19,635 --> 00:18:22,155 Speaker 1: and said, what's the matter, mate, And I told him, 288 00:18:22,355 --> 00:18:25,075 Speaker 1: and he volunteered, and he taught me how to use 289 00:18:25,075 --> 00:18:28,555 Speaker 1: a teleprompter in less than ten minutes, in a process 290 00:18:28,595 --> 00:18:31,515 Speaker 1: by which I have taught hundreds of people since how 291 00:18:31,555 --> 00:18:36,235 Speaker 1: to use a teleprompter. Great guy. And then he got 292 00:18:36,555 --> 00:18:39,875 Speaker 1: hit in the head by religion or something. Still, every 293 00:18:39,915 --> 00:18:41,115 Speaker 1: once in a while. 294 00:18:41,235 --> 00:18:43,275 Speaker 4: Still think that you are in line to be Trump's 295 00:18:43,315 --> 00:18:45,075 Speaker 4: vice president. It's up to Donald Trump. 296 00:18:45,155 --> 00:18:47,595 Speaker 3: He's the only person who will decide this true, He's 297 00:18:47,635 --> 00:18:48,915 Speaker 3: the only person who will decide. 298 00:18:48,955 --> 00:18:50,915 Speaker 4: And I suppoke, yes, I do speak to him, I asked, Ques, 299 00:18:50,995 --> 00:18:51,795 Speaker 4: I said to you about this. 300 00:18:52,115 --> 00:18:55,715 Speaker 3: No, I never tell anybody my personal conversations. 301 00:18:55,115 --> 00:18:55,875 Speaker 4: With the story. 302 00:18:57,075 --> 00:18:59,315 Speaker 3: I talked to President Trump all the time about the dogs, 303 00:18:59,315 --> 00:19:01,195 Speaker 3: about a lot of things. And right now I tell 304 00:19:01,195 --> 00:19:04,355 Speaker 3: you what. He is being persecuted in a political hunt, 305 00:19:04,835 --> 00:19:07,635 Speaker 3: witch hunt in this court case. So I'm proud of 306 00:19:07,675 --> 00:19:09,955 Speaker 3: him about how tough he is and how well he 307 00:19:10,075 --> 00:19:10,435 Speaker 3: is doing. 308 00:19:10,475 --> 00:19:12,515 Speaker 4: Did you bring up yes enough for Stewart? 309 00:19:12,955 --> 00:19:16,155 Speaker 3: Did this interview is ridiculous what you were doing right now, 310 00:19:16,515 --> 00:19:19,035 Speaker 3: so you need to stop it is okay, it is 311 00:19:19,235 --> 00:19:21,555 Speaker 3: Let's talk about some real topics that Americans care about. 312 00:19:21,555 --> 00:19:23,715 Speaker 4: I'm afraid around of time. Oh well, of course we are. 313 00:19:23,755 --> 00:19:24,955 Speaker 1: We do. Thank you for being with us. 314 00:19:25,115 --> 00:19:27,355 Speaker 3: I know I pressed hard, but that's what people are 315 00:19:27,395 --> 00:19:29,075 Speaker 3: talking about to this day now. 316 00:19:29,435 --> 00:19:32,995 Speaker 1: Gotta know, thanks for joining us. Appreciate it. Watch out, mate, 317 00:19:34,435 --> 00:19:37,995 Speaker 1: she knows where all the gravel pits are. So the 318 00:19:38,115 --> 00:19:41,595 Speaker 1: gist of this is as Christy Noome continues to try 319 00:19:41,595 --> 00:19:45,355 Speaker 1: to sell this bloody book and continues to insist it 320 00:19:45,395 --> 00:19:49,515 Speaker 1: was her dog and her gravel pit and her bullets, 321 00:19:50,075 --> 00:19:53,315 Speaker 1: and just because she made up a story about meeting 322 00:19:53,435 --> 00:19:57,675 Speaker 1: Kim Jong un, she is under no obligation to ever 323 00:19:57,795 --> 00:20:00,755 Speaker 1: admit that, especially not since that she has found a 324 00:20:00,795 --> 00:20:05,315 Speaker 1: way to remove the story without admitting she made the 325 00:20:05,395 --> 00:20:09,035 Speaker 1: story up. All this makes it clear that no may 326 00:20:09,115 --> 00:20:11,995 Speaker 1: Or may not still think she could be Trump's VP pick, 327 00:20:12,435 --> 00:20:15,915 Speaker 1: but she definitely thinks she is enough of a monster 328 00:20:16,315 --> 00:20:23,035 Speaker 1: to someday be Republican president or dictator or whatever we 329 00:20:23,115 --> 00:20:26,515 Speaker 1: call the job by then. And I'm just gonna say this, 330 00:20:27,035 --> 00:20:29,395 Speaker 1: and if you don't get the reference, I'm going to 331 00:20:29,435 --> 00:20:32,835 Speaker 1: suggest you google it or go on to IMDb and 332 00:20:32,955 --> 00:20:36,195 Speaker 1: look up the movie The Dead Zone. But if this 333 00:20:36,555 --> 00:20:40,915 Speaker 1: is the start of Christy Nomes presidential campaign, it is 334 00:20:41,075 --> 00:20:53,675 Speaker 1: the worst presidential rollout since Greg Stilson Stilson S T 335 00:20:53,715 --> 00:20:56,875 Speaker 1: I L L S O N S. Also of interest 336 00:20:56,955 --> 00:21:00,555 Speaker 1: here this is a mini pod edition. Sorry, lots of 337 00:21:00,555 --> 00:21:03,795 Speaker 1: personal stuff going on, nothing wrong, just too much stuff. 338 00:21:03,875 --> 00:21:06,915 Speaker 1: Not enough day, not enough Keith. So the rest of 339 00:21:06,955 --> 00:21:11,155 Speaker 1: this episode is the story from yesterday. You probably skipped 340 00:21:11,435 --> 00:21:13,435 Speaker 1: of how the first man ever to run a mile 341 00:21:13,475 --> 00:21:15,715 Speaker 1: in four minutes or less seventy years ago. This week 342 00:21:15,835 --> 00:21:18,275 Speaker 1: a moment so epic the New York Times put out 343 00:21:18,315 --> 00:21:21,275 Speaker 1: an editorial wondering if anybody would ever do it again, 344 00:21:21,315 --> 00:21:23,715 Speaker 1: anybody would ever again run the mile in four minutes 345 00:21:23,795 --> 00:21:27,675 Speaker 1: or less? How he actually was not the first man 346 00:21:27,755 --> 00:21:29,635 Speaker 1: ever to run a mile in four minutes or less. 347 00:21:29,715 --> 00:21:34,995 Speaker 1: Roger Banister, who was probably the four thousandth man to 348 00:21:35,115 --> 00:21:38,515 Speaker 1: run a mile in four minutes or less. That's next. 349 00:21:38,755 --> 00:21:48,555 Speaker 1: This is countdown. This is countdown with Keith Olberman. It's 350 00:21:48,755 --> 00:21:52,515 Speaker 1: mash up Time, a special edition of Things I Promised 351 00:21:52,515 --> 00:21:58,755 Speaker 1: Not To Tell and Sports Central Center. Seventy years ago. Today, 352 00:21:58,875 --> 00:22:03,395 Speaker 1: the world was still in disbelief, because the day before 353 00:22:03,715 --> 00:22:08,035 Speaker 1: May sixth, nineteen fifty four saw unfold one of the 354 00:22:08,035 --> 00:22:12,515 Speaker 1: most famous events in sports history, in fact, in twentieth 355 00:22:12,515 --> 00:22:17,235 Speaker 1: century world history, and everything you may have ever heard 356 00:22:17,275 --> 00:22:23,115 Speaker 1: about it is wrong. From six zho four pm prevailing 357 00:22:23,195 --> 00:22:26,035 Speaker 1: local time in England on the early evening of Thursday 358 00:22:26,075 --> 00:22:29,595 Speaker 1: May sixth, nineteen fifty four, continuing until the day the 359 00:22:29,635 --> 00:22:34,355 Speaker 1: man died on March third, twenty eighteen, not a day 360 00:22:34,715 --> 00:22:38,235 Speaker 1: went by, probably not an hour went by without somebody 361 00:22:38,595 --> 00:22:45,515 Speaker 1: congratulating Roger Banister on becoming or having become, or being 362 00:22:46,315 --> 00:22:51,235 Speaker 1: or forever being or being immortalized by being the first 363 00:22:51,715 --> 00:22:56,635 Speaker 1: human to run a mile in four minutes or less, 364 00:22:56,995 --> 00:23:02,075 Speaker 1: the man who broke the four minute mile. Except for 365 00:23:02,235 --> 00:23:10,395 Speaker 1: one small detail, he wasn't. We cannot now comprehend what 366 00:23:10,515 --> 00:23:14,915 Speaker 1: a big deal this really was. Neil Armstrong, Times, Charles 367 00:23:14,955 --> 00:23:18,955 Speaker 1: Lindbergh plus George Washington Maybe. The next day, The New 368 00:23:19,075 --> 00:23:25,395 Speaker 1: York Times published ten different stories about Roger Banister breaking 369 00:23:25,395 --> 00:23:29,595 Speaker 1: the four minute mile barrier, plus an editorial, an editorial 370 00:23:29,635 --> 00:23:34,195 Speaker 1: on the editorial page that asked if anybody in world 371 00:23:34,275 --> 00:23:39,675 Speaker 1: history would ever do it again. Roger Gilbert Banister began 372 00:23:39,715 --> 00:23:42,515 Speaker 1: the Times on the front page ran a mile in 373 00:23:42,595 --> 00:23:45,995 Speaker 1: three minutes fifty nine point four seconds tonight to reach 374 00:23:46,195 --> 00:23:54,635 Speaker 1: one of man's hitherto unattainable goals. There's just one problem. 375 00:23:54,955 --> 00:23:58,795 Speaker 1: Not only was Roger Banister probably not the first man 376 00:23:58,915 --> 00:24:01,355 Speaker 1: to run a mile in less than four minutes, but 377 00:24:01,435 --> 00:24:04,275 Speaker 1: there is also a lot of evidence that that record 378 00:24:04,315 --> 00:24:09,995 Speaker 1: was broke in May of seventeen seventy by a guy 379 00:24:10,075 --> 00:24:14,315 Speaker 1: who sold fruits and vegetables from a push cart on 380 00:24:14,435 --> 00:24:24,475 Speaker 1: the streets of London, a guy named Parrot. Sixty nine 381 00:24:25,075 --> 00:24:29,555 Speaker 1: years later, and this is still the most famous run 382 00:24:29,715 --> 00:24:34,555 Speaker 1: in the history of the world. May sixth, nineteen fifty four, 383 00:24:35,355 --> 00:24:38,475 Speaker 1: on an ordinary spring evening at the Ifley Road Track 384 00:24:38,475 --> 00:24:42,555 Speaker 1: at Oxford University in England, even as an unfavorable wind 385 00:24:42,675 --> 00:24:45,835 Speaker 1: worked against him, Roger Banister ran through the tape in 386 00:24:45,955 --> 00:24:48,915 Speaker 1: three point fifty nine to four and ran directly into 387 00:24:48,995 --> 00:24:53,195 Speaker 1: not just sports history, but human history. The four minute mile, 388 00:24:53,635 --> 00:24:56,955 Speaker 1: the first human ever to run that far that fast, 389 00:24:57,595 --> 00:25:00,435 Speaker 1: like the first man on the moon, no matter how 390 00:25:00,515 --> 00:25:05,835 Speaker 1: much farther we go, But glory is his in Defaul Forever, 391 00:25:05,995 --> 00:25:14,355 Speaker 1: always Eternal, immortal Neil Armstrong, but in shorts or there 392 00:25:14,395 --> 00:25:17,635 Speaker 1: had already been a four minute mile run in seventeen seventy, 393 00:25:18,075 --> 00:25:20,755 Speaker 1: and Banister has no more claim to immortality than do 394 00:25:20,915 --> 00:25:23,835 Speaker 1: you or I. And this is really a story about 395 00:25:23,835 --> 00:25:28,595 Speaker 1: bureaucracy supporting bureaucracy, and what the experts call recency bias, 396 00:25:28,795 --> 00:25:31,595 Speaker 1: and a lot of racism. And the story should be 397 00:25:31,595 --> 00:25:33,755 Speaker 1: about a guy who used to sell fruits and vegetables 398 00:25:33,795 --> 00:25:35,755 Speaker 1: on the streets of London, and who ran in his 399 00:25:35,795 --> 00:25:40,355 Speaker 1: spare time for money in the decade before the American Revolution. 400 00:25:40,475 --> 00:25:44,075 Speaker 1: And his name was Parrot, as in look, Maty, I 401 00:25:44,115 --> 00:25:46,395 Speaker 1: know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm 402 00:25:46,395 --> 00:25:51,035 Speaker 1: looking at one right now. We begin in the pages 403 00:25:51,195 --> 00:25:54,755 Speaker 1: of a British book dated from seventeen ninety four, which 404 00:25:54,795 --> 00:25:57,715 Speaker 1: seems to be for you back to the future fans, 405 00:25:57,915 --> 00:26:02,355 Speaker 1: a kind of Gray's Sports Almanac. The seventeen ninety four 406 00:26:02,515 --> 00:26:08,195 Speaker 1: tome bears an amazingly modern title the sports magazine, and 407 00:26:08,275 --> 00:26:11,755 Speaker 1: its chronology of top sports events of recent years past 408 00:26:12,275 --> 00:26:17,155 Speaker 1: includes for the year seventeen seventy this quote seventeen seventy 409 00:26:17,315 --> 00:26:22,595 Speaker 1: May ninth, James Parrott a costermonger. A costermonger sold fruits 410 00:26:22,635 --> 00:26:26,555 Speaker 1: and vegetables from a pushcart on Street. James Parrott, a costuremonger, 411 00:26:26,875 --> 00:26:29,675 Speaker 1: ran the length of Old Street viz. From the Charterhouse 412 00:26:29,675 --> 00:26:33,235 Speaker 1: wall in Goswell Street to Shoreditch Church Gates, which is 413 00:26:33,275 --> 00:26:37,795 Speaker 1: a measured mile, in four minutes. Fifteen guineas to five 414 00:26:37,915 --> 00:26:40,635 Speaker 1: were betted he did not run the ground in four 415 00:26:40,675 --> 00:26:46,435 Speaker 1: minutes and a half. So that's it. I am besmirching 416 00:26:46,555 --> 00:26:50,955 Speaker 1: the immortality of Saint Roger Banister and everything you will 417 00:26:50,955 --> 00:26:53,955 Speaker 1: see in the newspapers about him over the weekend because 418 00:26:53,995 --> 00:26:58,035 Speaker 1: of fifty one words about some guy racing against an 419 00:26:58,035 --> 00:27:01,715 Speaker 1: eighteenth century watch in the year seventeen seventy and the 420 00:27:01,755 --> 00:27:07,035 Speaker 1: story wasn't even published until twenty four years later. Seriously, Seriously, 421 00:27:08,435 --> 00:27:11,715 Speaker 1: there is nothing else to say about James Parrott. That 422 00:27:11,995 --> 00:27:15,715 Speaker 1: snippet from that book is all that researchers have ever 423 00:27:15,835 --> 00:27:20,635 Speaker 1: found or found out about James Parrott. No obituary, no nothing, 424 00:27:21,035 --> 00:27:25,395 Speaker 1: no four minute mile, no confirmation he ever existed. Besides which, 425 00:27:25,435 --> 00:27:27,995 Speaker 1: as every modern sports fan will tell you, the athletes 426 00:27:28,035 --> 00:27:31,555 Speaker 1: of today are the great, greater, greatest of all time goats. 427 00:27:31,715 --> 00:27:33,995 Speaker 1: If the record book says nobody ran a four minute 428 00:27:33,995 --> 00:27:36,595 Speaker 1: mile until nineteen fifty four, of course the record books 429 00:27:36,635 --> 00:27:41,395 Speaker 1: are right. Since seventeen seventy, humans have evolved, health has evolved, 430 00:27:41,435 --> 00:27:44,835 Speaker 1: training has evolved. Why in seventeen seventy you couldn't even 431 00:27:44,875 --> 00:27:51,915 Speaker 1: accurately measure a mile, let alone measure exactly four minutes. Actually, 432 00:27:52,395 --> 00:27:56,595 Speaker 1: agricultural chains, designed to resolve who owned what property and 433 00:27:56,715 --> 00:28:00,795 Speaker 1: where international borders were had been introduced in sixteen twenty 434 00:28:01,315 --> 00:28:04,355 Speaker 1: and have proved to be at worst only off by 435 00:28:04,315 --> 00:28:08,315 Speaker 1: a round owned two fifths of an inch over a mile. 436 00:28:08,875 --> 00:28:13,515 Speaker 1: And if you're saying agcultural chains, you don't use agricultural 437 00:28:13,635 --> 00:28:17,475 Speaker 1: chains in sports, let me ask you this. What do 438 00:28:17,595 --> 00:28:20,595 Speaker 1: they use in National Football League games to check whether 439 00:28:20,675 --> 00:28:24,875 Speaker 1: or not it's a first down? Okay, we're giving them 440 00:28:24,915 --> 00:28:27,915 Speaker 1: the accuracy of the agricultural chains we still use today 441 00:28:27,955 --> 00:28:32,315 Speaker 1: in our pro sports. You could measure several blocks of 442 00:28:32,355 --> 00:28:35,475 Speaker 1: London in seventeen seventy and say from way back there 443 00:28:36,035 --> 00:28:37,835 Speaker 1: to right over here in front of the church, that 444 00:28:37,995 --> 00:28:42,915 Speaker 1: is exactly a mile, Guvnor, But how would you time 445 00:28:42,995 --> 00:28:45,515 Speaker 1: it four minutes? Exactly what did they use a really 446 00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:51,555 Speaker 1: good sundial. No, that has been called a chronometer. The 447 00:28:51,635 --> 00:28:55,435 Speaker 1: chronometer was perfected by seventeen sixty one. You may know 448 00:28:55,555 --> 00:28:59,555 Speaker 1: the chronometer as a Swiss watch, or as you might 449 00:28:59,595 --> 00:29:03,955 Speaker 1: also know it, a rolex. So this parrot runs a mile, 450 00:29:04,795 --> 00:29:07,435 Speaker 1: or maybe he runs a mile plus two fifths of 451 00:29:07,475 --> 00:29:11,155 Speaker 1: an inch, and he is timed by several guys with rolexes, 452 00:29:12,395 --> 00:29:15,195 Speaker 1: and they all have the same score. He did it 453 00:29:15,275 --> 00:29:19,995 Speaker 1: in exactly four minutes. If you're still not convinced, if 454 00:29:19,995 --> 00:29:24,515 Speaker 1: you're still googling Roger Banister's descendants so they can sue 455 00:29:24,515 --> 00:29:28,115 Speaker 1: this idiot Ulderman in his podcast, let me emphasize the 456 00:29:28,155 --> 00:29:31,675 Speaker 1: part that convinced me that a man named Parrot did 457 00:29:31,795 --> 00:29:34,875 Speaker 1: run a four minute mile two months and four days 458 00:29:35,435 --> 00:29:39,075 Speaker 1: after the Boston massacre unleashed the events that would culminate 459 00:29:39,155 --> 00:29:43,195 Speaker 1: in the American Revolution. Permit me to reread that last 460 00:29:43,275 --> 00:29:48,315 Speaker 1: sentence about James Parrott's run from Gray's Sports Almanac, I'm sorry, 461 00:29:48,435 --> 00:29:52,875 Speaker 1: from the Sporting magazine of seventeen ninety four. Quote fifteen 462 00:29:52,995 --> 00:29:56,835 Speaker 1: guineas to five were betted he did not run the 463 00:29:56,835 --> 00:30:01,675 Speaker 1: ground in four minutes and a half. This guy parrot 464 00:30:02,355 --> 00:30:07,035 Speaker 1: bet on himself and three to one odds, and the 465 00:30:07,115 --> 00:30:10,235 Speaker 1: five guineas wagered here that would be worth about fifty 466 00:30:10,275 --> 00:30:13,555 Speaker 1: five hundred dollars in today's money, meaning this was no 467 00:30:13,675 --> 00:30:16,955 Speaker 1: eighteenth century Roger Banister hoping to break a record for 468 00:30:17,035 --> 00:30:19,955 Speaker 1: Queen and Country. This was a guy who did this 469 00:30:20,595 --> 00:30:25,555 Speaker 1: for money, for the equivalent in winnings of about seventeen 470 00:30:25,715 --> 00:30:29,115 Speaker 1: thousand dollars, at least as much as his annual income 471 00:30:29,235 --> 00:30:31,995 Speaker 1: might have been selling fruits and vegetables from a cart, 472 00:30:32,075 --> 00:30:35,035 Speaker 1: and the way it's phrased in that magazine, we don't know. 473 00:30:35,075 --> 00:30:38,155 Speaker 1: If more than one bet of fifteen guineas to five 474 00:30:38,315 --> 00:30:41,835 Speaker 1: was placed, he might have won thirty four thousand dollars 475 00:30:42,155 --> 00:30:44,475 Speaker 1: or fifty one thousand dollars or five hundred and ten 476 00:30:44,555 --> 00:30:50,395 Speaker 1: thousand dollars. Because this was for money, the loser or 477 00:30:50,675 --> 00:30:53,595 Speaker 1: losers who bet he could not finish the race in 478 00:30:53,675 --> 00:30:56,915 Speaker 1: four and a half minutes had to be satisfied that 479 00:30:56,995 --> 00:30:59,315 Speaker 1: he had done it in less than four and a half, 480 00:30:59,395 --> 00:31:02,395 Speaker 1: in this case in four. As we know from our 481 00:31:02,515 --> 00:31:07,235 Speaker 1: own times, like to claim they didn't lose, and will 482 00:31:07,275 --> 00:31:09,875 Speaker 1: go to any length to convince others they did not lose. 483 00:31:10,035 --> 00:31:13,795 Speaker 1: But James Parrott got his money, which means that the 484 00:31:13,915 --> 00:31:18,235 Speaker 1: loser or losers believed James Parrott really raised a mile 485 00:31:18,315 --> 00:31:23,315 Speaker 1: and did it in four minutes. I'm sold antiquated books 486 00:31:23,355 --> 00:31:25,235 Speaker 1: and four minute miles run one hundred and eighty three 487 00:31:25,275 --> 00:31:28,595 Speaker 1: years before the first four minute mile, and costermongers and 488 00:31:28,715 --> 00:31:31,795 Speaker 1: agricultural change. They may come and go and may be 489 00:31:31,915 --> 00:31:39,115 Speaker 1: trustworthy or untrustworthy, but money is money, and James Parrott 490 00:31:39,155 --> 00:31:42,355 Speaker 1: was given the equivalent of his annual salary at least 491 00:31:42,395 --> 00:31:47,235 Speaker 1: once because somebody who thought he could not do it agreed, Yeah, 492 00:31:47,395 --> 00:31:50,395 Speaker 1: I was wrong. He really, really, really really did just 493 00:31:50,515 --> 00:31:55,515 Speaker 1: run the mile in four minutes. Now, of course, the 494 00:31:55,555 --> 00:31:58,875 Speaker 1: whole account in the book could be wrong. I'm old 495 00:31:58,955 --> 00:32:01,355 Speaker 1: enough that I was actually on the air doing sportscast 496 00:32:01,395 --> 00:32:04,275 Speaker 1: on the radio network of United Press International on April 497 00:32:04,315 --> 00:32:08,875 Speaker 1: twenty five, nineteen eighty when Rosie Ruiz quote one unquote 498 00:32:08,995 --> 00:32:12,915 Speaker 1: the Boston Marathon. Then it turned out two people had 499 00:32:12,995 --> 00:32:16,475 Speaker 1: seen Rosy Ruiz burst out of the crowd of spectators 500 00:32:16,475 --> 00:32:20,395 Speaker 1: on Commonwealth Avenue and start running alongside the men runners. 501 00:32:20,395 --> 00:32:22,715 Speaker 1: And then it turned out that while she was supposedly 502 00:32:22,755 --> 00:32:26,155 Speaker 1: completing the nineteen seventy nine New York Marathon, she had 503 00:32:26,195 --> 00:32:30,635 Speaker 1: struck up a conversation with a freelance photographer on the subway, 504 00:32:31,275 --> 00:32:33,355 Speaker 1: and the two of them went to the finish line together, 505 00:32:33,435 --> 00:32:36,515 Speaker 1: and Rosie Ruiz then told officials she had just finished 506 00:32:36,515 --> 00:32:39,715 Speaker 1: the race. And Rosie Ruiz was a total fraud in 507 00:32:39,875 --> 00:32:44,675 Speaker 1: two different marathons. Maybe the seventeen seventy four minute mile 508 00:32:44,715 --> 00:32:48,835 Speaker 1: of James Parrott was just inaccurate. Maybe it was just 509 00:32:48,875 --> 00:32:53,115 Speaker 1: an inside joke or a misheard rumor or a typo, 510 00:32:54,195 --> 00:32:59,435 Speaker 1: or he took the subway with Rosie Ruiz, or it 511 00:32:59,555 --> 00:33:02,115 Speaker 1: was a joke by whoever wrote the book. I've told 512 00:33:02,195 --> 00:33:04,675 Speaker 1: you the story before about the nineteen twelve Saint Louis 513 00:33:04,795 --> 00:33:07,835 Speaker 1: Round second baseman named Proctor, and nobody could find anything 514 00:33:07,835 --> 00:33:09,955 Speaker 1: about him. And then it turned out Proctor was the 515 00:33:09,995 --> 00:33:12,875 Speaker 1: Western Union operator who used to make up all the 516 00:33:12,915 --> 00:33:15,875 Speaker 1: official scorecards after each game, and one day he decided 517 00:33:15,875 --> 00:33:17,635 Speaker 1: he always wanted to be a Major League ball player, 518 00:33:17,635 --> 00:33:20,915 Speaker 1: so he put himself in the scorecard. Maybe James Parrott 519 00:33:20,955 --> 00:33:24,515 Speaker 1: was the author of this the sports magazine or his 520 00:33:24,555 --> 00:33:27,795 Speaker 1: four minute miles and Monty Python jokes go. Now, that's 521 00:33:27,835 --> 00:33:32,075 Speaker 1: what I call a dead parrot. So if it's a mistake, 522 00:33:32,715 --> 00:33:35,315 Speaker 1: if it's a typo, if it's his hype job, if 523 00:33:35,355 --> 00:33:41,395 Speaker 1: it's Rosie Ruiz, if it's low Proctor, Roger Banister is safe. 524 00:33:41,555 --> 00:33:44,835 Speaker 1: Now he's not because there was also a runner named Powell, 525 00:33:45,435 --> 00:33:48,115 Speaker 1: and Powell in seventeen eighty seven said he could run 526 00:33:48,155 --> 00:33:50,115 Speaker 1: a mile in four minutes, and he wasn't messing around. 527 00:33:50,315 --> 00:33:52,995 Speaker 1: He bet a thousand guineas that he could do it, 528 00:33:53,315 --> 00:33:57,355 Speaker 1: one point one million dollars in today's money. And not 529 00:33:57,475 --> 00:33:59,835 Speaker 1: only that, but he ran on a famous English running 530 00:33:59,915 --> 00:34:02,875 Speaker 1: track near Hampton Court, and five days before Christmas of 531 00:34:02,875 --> 00:34:06,315 Speaker 1: seventeen eighty seven he ran a time trial so that 532 00:34:06,355 --> 00:34:08,675 Speaker 1: the gamblers could all come over and see what shape 533 00:34:08,715 --> 00:34:11,235 Speaker 1: he was in and whether they should bet for him 534 00:34:11,555 --> 00:34:14,315 Speaker 1: or bet against him. And he did it in the 535 00:34:14,435 --> 00:34:18,355 Speaker 1: time trial in four minutes and three seconds. And when 536 00:34:18,395 --> 00:34:20,955 Speaker 1: Powell said the betters could see what shape he was in, 537 00:34:21,275 --> 00:34:24,915 Speaker 1: he really meant it. He was dedicated to his cause. 538 00:34:25,715 --> 00:34:30,315 Speaker 1: Five days before Christmas and this guy ran a mile naked. 539 00:34:31,635 --> 00:34:34,795 Speaker 1: All that was in the papers. What happened to the 540 00:34:34,835 --> 00:34:38,355 Speaker 1: actual race, We don't know that. Nobody has ever found 541 00:34:38,395 --> 00:34:41,355 Speaker 1: that newspaper. Nobody's ever found an account of the race, 542 00:34:41,755 --> 00:34:44,435 Speaker 1: only the time trial, so we have to go under 543 00:34:44,435 --> 00:34:48,875 Speaker 1: the assumption that Powell never did better than four to three. 544 00:34:48,995 --> 00:34:52,395 Speaker 1: But once again, Roger Banister's four minute mile has withstood 545 00:34:52,435 --> 00:34:58,235 Speaker 1: the test of time. Uh kinda bah, No, Actually it hasn't. 546 00:34:58,275 --> 00:35:02,075 Speaker 1: There's also another guy named Weller. Weller was famous enough 547 00:35:02,075 --> 00:35:04,195 Speaker 1: as a professional runner of the time that when he 548 00:35:04,195 --> 00:35:06,475 Speaker 1: said he could run a mile on the Banbury Road 549 00:35:06,515 --> 00:35:09,155 Speaker 1: in Oxford, the newspapers of the day all showed up 550 00:35:09,195 --> 00:35:11,475 Speaker 1: to preview it, to talk about his two brothers, who 551 00:35:11,515 --> 00:35:14,355 Speaker 1: were also professional runners, and to cover his attempt on 552 00:35:14,395 --> 00:35:17,835 Speaker 1: October tenth, seventeen ninety six. And there it is in 553 00:35:17,915 --> 00:35:23,435 Speaker 1: the papers. Weller of Oxford runs a mile in three 554 00:35:23,475 --> 00:35:29,275 Speaker 1: minutes fifty eight seconds, not only one hundred and fifty 555 00:35:29,315 --> 00:35:32,635 Speaker 1: eight years before Roger Banister, but a second and a 556 00:35:32,675 --> 00:35:39,235 Speaker 1: half faster than Roger Banister. So here's the thing. If 557 00:35:39,275 --> 00:35:42,155 Speaker 1: somebody really ran a mile in three fifty nine or 558 00:35:42,195 --> 00:35:45,075 Speaker 1: three fifty eight at the time of the American Revolution, 559 00:35:45,275 --> 00:35:49,755 Speaker 1: wouldn't that stand out as such an impossible performance, then, 560 00:35:49,795 --> 00:35:52,755 Speaker 1: such an anomaly so startling that it would be viewed 561 00:35:52,755 --> 00:35:55,395 Speaker 1: in the same way we would view news coming up 562 00:35:55,395 --> 00:35:58,315 Speaker 1: on Monday that somebody now had just run the mile 563 00:35:58,355 --> 00:36:01,235 Speaker 1: in three minutes flat. I mean, if somebody ran the 564 00:36:01,235 --> 00:36:03,355 Speaker 1: mile in three minutes flat, we would check to see 565 00:36:03,395 --> 00:36:06,315 Speaker 1: if the guy was a space ala or a time traveler. 566 00:36:06,795 --> 00:36:10,435 Speaker 1: Wouldn't they have been amazed on October tenth, seventeen ninety six, 567 00:36:11,355 --> 00:36:16,355 Speaker 1: disbelieving what they had heard, not at all. And that's 568 00:36:16,395 --> 00:36:18,435 Speaker 1: the second half of the story of the day. Roger 569 00:36:18,475 --> 00:36:22,315 Speaker 1: Banister did not break the four minute barrier. Research and 570 00:36:22,435 --> 00:36:26,395 Speaker 1: computers and simulations show that people in the seventeen eighties 571 00:36:26,435 --> 00:36:31,075 Speaker 1: were consistently running the mile in four minutes and eighteen seconds, 572 00:36:31,315 --> 00:36:34,515 Speaker 1: four minutes and twenty seconds, four minutes and fifteen seconds, 573 00:36:34,635 --> 00:36:37,435 Speaker 1: if the info about Weller is right, three minutes and 574 00:36:37,475 --> 00:36:40,675 Speaker 1: fifty eight seconds. All the time, these numbers were being 575 00:36:40,715 --> 00:36:43,795 Speaker 1: put up by all kinds of runners. So a four 576 00:36:43,835 --> 00:36:47,675 Speaker 1: minute mile would have been great, but not out of context, 577 00:36:48,075 --> 00:36:52,395 Speaker 1: not in seventeen ninety six. And then you have to ask, 578 00:36:52,715 --> 00:36:57,035 Speaker 1: if it happened, where are all those records? Who were 579 00:36:57,075 --> 00:37:00,435 Speaker 1: all those four minute eighteen guys and four minute three 580 00:37:00,475 --> 00:37:04,275 Speaker 1: second guys and three fifty eight guys. What happened to 581 00:37:04,275 --> 00:37:08,995 Speaker 1: the record words. Well, see, that's another scandal. Those eighteenth 582 00:37:09,075 --> 00:37:14,915 Speaker 1: century records were erased in the nineteenth century because richer, 583 00:37:15,595 --> 00:37:19,875 Speaker 1: slower people in the nineteenth century wanted to say they 584 00:37:19,915 --> 00:37:25,675 Speaker 1: held the records, they erased the record book. That part 585 00:37:25,675 --> 00:37:28,555 Speaker 1: of the story, and the additional sad truth that much 586 00:37:28,555 --> 00:37:39,515 Speaker 1: of the claims about Roger Banister are really really racist. Next, 587 00:37:43,955 --> 00:37:47,075 Speaker 1: we know Roger Banister really did run a three minute 588 00:37:47,115 --> 00:37:51,675 Speaker 1: and fifty nine second mile on May sixth, nineteen fifty 589 00:37:51,715 --> 00:37:54,915 Speaker 1: four in England. It was timed and announced to a 590 00:37:55,035 --> 00:37:58,755 Speaker 1: waiting crowd by no less a figure than Norris mcwerder, 591 00:37:59,195 --> 00:38:01,795 Speaker 1: who was later the founder or co founder of the 592 00:38:01,835 --> 00:38:05,195 Speaker 1: Guinness Book of World Records. And everybody who was there 593 00:38:05,515 --> 00:38:09,075 Speaker 1: saw history and was part of an impossible dream coming true. 594 00:38:09,235 --> 00:38:11,395 Speaker 1: And as I mentioned earlier, the next day, the New 595 00:38:11,435 --> 00:38:14,035 Speaker 1: York Times actually had an editorial asking whether or not 596 00:38:14,235 --> 00:38:19,035 Speaker 1: anybody would ever do it again. There is considerable evidence, 597 00:38:19,075 --> 00:38:22,115 Speaker 1: as I've laid out here, that it was done before, 598 00:38:22,795 --> 00:38:27,035 Speaker 1: like two hundred years before. But if you were still 599 00:38:27,075 --> 00:38:29,915 Speaker 1: not convinced that, no, no matter what else, it was 600 00:38:30,035 --> 00:38:32,955 Speaker 1: Roger Banister's three minute, fifty nine point four second mile 601 00:38:33,235 --> 00:38:35,995 Speaker 1: on May sixth, nineteen fifty four was not the first 602 00:38:36,035 --> 00:38:39,755 Speaker 1: four minute mile. If James Parrott and the naked runner 603 00:38:39,875 --> 00:38:43,675 Speaker 1: Powell of Hampton Court and Weller seventeen ninety six don't 604 00:38:43,715 --> 00:38:47,235 Speaker 1: convince you there is also this. There is a sports 605 00:38:47,315 --> 00:38:51,355 Speaker 1: historian named Peter Radford, himself the bronze medalist in two 606 00:38:51,475 --> 00:38:54,395 Speaker 1: sprints at the nineteen sixty Olympics in Rome, and he 607 00:38:54,435 --> 00:38:57,595 Speaker 1: brought the story of Parrot and Powell and Weller to 608 00:38:57,755 --> 00:39:00,995 Speaker 1: the forefront in the British press nearly twenty years ago. 609 00:39:01,275 --> 00:39:04,075 Speaker 1: This man found them because he was looking for and 610 00:39:04,115 --> 00:39:07,395 Speaker 1: finding the records of more than six hundred running races 611 00:39:07,635 --> 00:39:11,795 Speaker 1: in the eighteenth and nineteenth century. Running against the clock, 612 00:39:11,875 --> 00:39:14,955 Speaker 1: against each other, usually for money, was not only the 613 00:39:14,995 --> 00:39:18,435 Speaker 1: most popular professional sport in Britain at that time, it 614 00:39:18,475 --> 00:39:22,635 Speaker 1: was also probably the first. And with so many races 615 00:39:22,675 --> 00:39:26,435 Speaker 1: and especially winning and losing times recorded, Peter Radford had 616 00:39:26,555 --> 00:39:30,555 Speaker 1: data to work with. When guys didn't run a four 617 00:39:30,595 --> 00:39:33,155 Speaker 1: minute mile, how fast did they run it? How fast 618 00:39:33,155 --> 00:39:37,555 Speaker 1: were these professionals going the average ones over other distances 619 00:39:37,595 --> 00:39:41,355 Speaker 1: in say seventeen eighty nine, what was the range of times? 620 00:39:42,355 --> 00:39:45,515 Speaker 1: And his computer looked at all of these races six 621 00:39:45,635 --> 00:39:48,195 Speaker 1: hundred or so, and all of the times and all 622 00:39:48,235 --> 00:39:51,355 Speaker 1: of the speeds, and it spit out this conclusion. Factoring 623 00:39:51,355 --> 00:39:54,635 Speaker 1: in the margin of error, Radford wrote, the best possible 624 00:39:54,755 --> 00:39:59,355 Speaker 1: one mile time would be anywhere between four minutes thirteen 625 00:39:59,475 --> 00:40:04,675 Speaker 1: seconds and exactly four minutes. So no, you cannot say 626 00:40:04,755 --> 00:40:08,435 Speaker 1: James Parrott ran the first four minute mile in seventeen seventy, 627 00:40:08,475 --> 00:40:11,475 Speaker 1: and Weller ran the first sub four minute mile in 628 00:40:11,515 --> 00:40:14,515 Speaker 1: seventeen ninety six, not with certainty, but I think you 629 00:40:14,635 --> 00:40:18,795 Speaker 1: can say with certainty that somebody did it before the 630 00:40:18,875 --> 00:40:22,595 Speaker 1: year eighteen hundred, and that when Roger Banister crashed through 631 00:40:22,595 --> 00:40:26,435 Speaker 1: the tape at Oxford at six oh four Greenwich meantime 632 00:40:26,515 --> 00:40:29,155 Speaker 1: on the evening of Thursday May sixth, nineteen fifty four, 633 00:40:29,195 --> 00:40:34,675 Speaker 1: and the track announcer Norris McWhorter announced that Roger Banister's 634 00:40:34,675 --> 00:40:37,035 Speaker 1: time in the mile was and he gave it a 635 00:40:37,115 --> 00:40:41,915 Speaker 1: desperately long pause by all accounts, three minutes fifty I 636 00:40:41,955 --> 00:40:46,675 Speaker 1: an unfall ten seconds the moment that happened, Roger Banister 637 00:40:46,755 --> 00:40:50,395 Speaker 1: became at best the second man to run a mile 638 00:40:50,755 --> 00:40:54,435 Speaker 1: in four minutes or less, but more likely he was 639 00:40:55,195 --> 00:40:59,035 Speaker 1: like the twenty second or the two hundred and twenty second. 640 00:41:01,235 --> 00:41:05,275 Speaker 1: So why why didn't anybody know this? Why did Roger 641 00:41:05,315 --> 00:41:11,915 Speaker 1: Banister live a life of unceasing, undiminished and sorry, undeserved fame? 642 00:41:12,755 --> 00:41:15,635 Speaker 1: And that guy Weller who may have run the race 643 00:41:15,755 --> 00:41:18,515 Speaker 1: a second faster and one hundred and fifty eight years earlier, 644 00:41:18,635 --> 00:41:24,955 Speaker 1: why don't we even know Weller's first name? All sports 645 00:41:25,035 --> 00:41:28,035 Speaker 1: are based on history. Records are made to be broken. 646 00:41:28,075 --> 00:41:31,075 Speaker 1: The older the record, the louder the break. Who screwed 647 00:41:31,115 --> 00:41:34,995 Speaker 1: this up? How did we lose Weller in the nooks 648 00:41:35,035 --> 00:41:39,315 Speaker 1: and crannies of history. We didn't lose him. It wasn't 649 00:41:39,315 --> 00:41:45,195 Speaker 1: an error. It was deliberate. And that's where this gets 650 00:41:45,235 --> 00:41:49,315 Speaker 1: to be a crime. Our historian and ex Olympic runner 651 00:41:49,315 --> 00:41:55,155 Speaker 1: mister Radford quoted another ancient book, British Rural Sports by J. H. Walsh, 652 00:41:55,555 --> 00:41:58,115 Speaker 1: which was published in eighteen eighty eight, and in it, 653 00:41:58,915 --> 00:42:02,915 Speaker 1: all the dozens of speed and distant events had two 654 00:42:03,275 --> 00:42:07,275 Speaker 1: sets of records. One for professionals like Parrot and Powell 655 00:42:07,355 --> 00:42:10,515 Speaker 1: and Weller, the ones who ran for money, the ones 656 00:42:10,555 --> 00:42:13,075 Speaker 1: on whom people bet, the ones who bet on themselves. 657 00:42:13,515 --> 00:42:15,715 Speaker 1: There was that set of records, and then another set 658 00:42:15,715 --> 00:42:17,875 Speaker 1: of records which was given far more weight and far 659 00:42:17,915 --> 00:42:23,515 Speaker 1: more importance for the amateurs. By the early twentieth century, 660 00:42:23,595 --> 00:42:28,395 Speaker 1: Radford wrote, the professional records had been erased from these books, expunged, 661 00:42:28,675 --> 00:42:35,235 Speaker 1: not forgotten, removed. Why because the professionals were far better 662 00:42:35,275 --> 00:42:39,115 Speaker 1: than the amateurs. No amateur held the record in the mile. 663 00:42:39,155 --> 00:42:43,475 Speaker 1: It was all professionals, but the amateurs were in charge. 664 00:42:43,835 --> 00:42:46,915 Speaker 1: They were the British upper class. They rased not for money, 665 00:42:46,915 --> 00:42:50,355 Speaker 1: but for sport. So the amateurs simply did what the 666 00:42:50,435 --> 00:42:53,315 Speaker 1: upper class always does in this situation. They erased the 667 00:42:53,355 --> 00:42:56,235 Speaker 1: records of all the professionals. And oh, by the way, 668 00:42:56,355 --> 00:43:01,395 Speaker 1: they also erased all records set by women. The British 669 00:43:01,475 --> 00:43:05,835 Speaker 1: obsession with the superiority of the amateurs over the professional 670 00:43:06,635 --> 00:43:08,835 Speaker 1: If you've ever seen the movie Chariots a Fire, you 671 00:43:08,915 --> 00:43:11,995 Speaker 1: already know exactly what I mean. It spread throughout the 672 00:43:12,035 --> 00:43:15,275 Speaker 1: world through the Olympics. That's why Jim Thorpe lost all 673 00:43:15,355 --> 00:43:18,035 Speaker 1: his gold medals from the nineteen twelve Games. Why the 674 00:43:18,115 --> 00:43:21,835 Speaker 1: greatest all around athlete ever died in poverty because he 675 00:43:21,875 --> 00:43:24,915 Speaker 1: had once played minor league baseball to make some money 676 00:43:24,955 --> 00:43:27,035 Speaker 1: in the summer, and everybody knew about it, and nobody 677 00:43:27,075 --> 00:43:30,195 Speaker 1: thought they'd hold it against it, but then they held 678 00:43:30,195 --> 00:43:33,555 Speaker 1: it against him. He was a professional, so his records 679 00:43:33,595 --> 00:43:38,035 Speaker 1: did not count like James Parrott or fill in the 680 00:43:38,035 --> 00:43:42,395 Speaker 1: blank here, Powell or I don't remember his first name Weller. 681 00:43:44,315 --> 00:43:48,395 Speaker 1: So the world record in the mile as of the 682 00:43:48,475 --> 00:43:51,995 Speaker 1: year eighteen sixty one was credited to a man, an 683 00:43:52,035 --> 00:43:57,155 Speaker 1: amateur named Matthew Green. Matthew Green was the fastest man 684 00:43:57,235 --> 00:44:03,035 Speaker 1: in human history four minutes and forty six seconds, four 685 00:44:03,075 --> 00:44:06,875 Speaker 1: minutes and forty six seconds. In my twenties, I might 686 00:44:06,875 --> 00:44:10,755 Speaker 1: have come close to that number. By nineteen thirteen, the 687 00:44:10,795 --> 00:44:14,595 Speaker 1: International Amateur Athletics Federation had taken over, and it recognized 688 00:44:14,635 --> 00:44:18,475 Speaker 1: a runner from Cornell, not me, a different runner from Cornell, 689 00:44:18,675 --> 00:44:21,115 Speaker 1: as the all time outdoor record holder in the mile 690 00:44:21,435 --> 00:44:26,195 Speaker 1: four minutes and thirteen seconds, John Paul Jones, one hundred 691 00:44:26,195 --> 00:44:29,915 Speaker 1: and forty three years after James Parrot. The indoor record 692 00:44:29,955 --> 00:44:32,275 Speaker 1: in the mile was then held by a man named 693 00:44:32,315 --> 00:44:38,035 Speaker 1: Abel Kiviat four eighteen and two I met Abel Kiviat. 694 00:44:38,155 --> 00:44:41,515 Speaker 1: I interviewed him when he was ninety. I wish I 695 00:44:41,555 --> 00:44:44,195 Speaker 1: had known about James Parrott. Then I didn't. Abel, and 696 00:44:44,235 --> 00:44:47,035 Speaker 1: I talked about his roommate at the nineteen twelve Olympics, 697 00:44:47,115 --> 00:44:49,315 Speaker 1: Jim Thorpe, got to tell you that story sometime too, 698 00:44:50,395 --> 00:44:52,275 Speaker 1: But boy Able Kiviat and I could have had a 699 00:44:52,315 --> 00:44:55,235 Speaker 1: conversation about amateurs versus professionals and whether or not his 700 00:44:55,355 --> 00:44:59,555 Speaker 1: record was actually a record. Anyway, you can see where 701 00:44:59,555 --> 00:45:01,795 Speaker 1: this is all going, and we are almost at our 702 00:45:01,915 --> 00:45:05,235 Speaker 1: proverbial finish line. Not only did his we forget the 703 00:45:05,275 --> 00:45:07,955 Speaker 1: great athletes of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries like Parrot 704 00:45:07,995 --> 00:45:10,075 Speaker 1: and Powell and Weller, who if they did not break 705 00:45:10,115 --> 00:45:12,475 Speaker 1: the four minute mile, they came damn close and did 706 00:45:12,515 --> 00:45:15,595 Speaker 1: a lot better than my friend Abel Kiveat did, or 707 00:45:15,635 --> 00:45:18,115 Speaker 1: my Cornell guy John Paul Jones, to say another, of 708 00:45:18,155 --> 00:45:20,835 Speaker 1: Matthew Green four minutes and forty six seconds, What did 709 00:45:20,875 --> 00:45:26,235 Speaker 1: you do stop for lunch? Not only were the remarkable 710 00:45:26,275 --> 00:45:30,555 Speaker 1: athletes like Parrot and Powell and Weller forgotten, they were 711 00:45:30,835 --> 00:45:36,635 Speaker 1: buried deliberately. It makes the subject of the Roger Banister 712 00:45:36,795 --> 00:45:43,395 Speaker 1: four minute mile that everybody celebrates with almost undiminished astonishment 713 00:45:43,795 --> 00:45:46,475 Speaker 1: every year at this time. It makes all this a 714 00:45:46,515 --> 00:45:50,755 Speaker 1: little less trivial and a little bit more nefarious and 715 00:45:50,835 --> 00:45:57,355 Speaker 1: wrong and ugly. Speaking of ugly and Banister there is 716 00:45:57,395 --> 00:46:00,555 Speaker 1: one other component to this story. In the nineteen nineties, 717 00:46:00,595 --> 00:46:03,235 Speaker 1: having been the god of the four minute mile for 718 00:46:03,355 --> 00:46:06,755 Speaker 1: four decades, having been celebrated every day for breaking a 719 00:46:06,795 --> 00:46:09,115 Speaker 1: record that was probably broken one hundred and eighty three 720 00:46:09,195 --> 00:46:12,995 Speaker 1: years before, Roger Banister was asked about the new generation 721 00:46:13,075 --> 00:46:18,515 Speaker 1: of runners, those of African descent on September twelfth, nineteen 722 00:46:18,595 --> 00:46:24,715 Speaker 1: ninety five, Sir Roger Banister explained, quote, it's certainly obvious 723 00:46:24,715 --> 00:46:27,035 Speaker 1: when you see an all black sprint final that there 724 00:46:27,115 --> 00:46:30,715 Speaker 1: must be something rather special about their anatomy or physiology 725 00:46:31,035 --> 00:46:33,955 Speaker 1: which produces these outstanding successes. And indeed there may be, 726 00:46:34,515 --> 00:46:37,995 Speaker 1: but we don't know quite what it is. Some countries 727 00:46:38,075 --> 00:46:40,155 Speaker 1: have the good fortune to have a high proportion of 728 00:46:40,195 --> 00:46:47,595 Speaker 1: black sprinters and hurdlers. End quote. Nineteen years later, Banister 729 00:46:47,755 --> 00:46:51,115 Speaker 1: was still driving right into the Eugenics lane, sounding just 730 00:46:51,235 --> 00:46:54,795 Speaker 1: enough like Jimmy the Greek Snyder to make you squirm. 731 00:46:55,155 --> 00:46:58,915 Speaker 1: I love watching people like Usain Bolt, Banister said. The 732 00:46:58,995 --> 00:47:02,515 Speaker 1: West Africans, of course, have an inbuilt advantage, having been 733 00:47:02,595 --> 00:47:07,155 Speaker 1: transported as slaves to the way Indies. Only the toughest endured. 734 00:47:07,595 --> 00:47:11,275 Speaker 1: They have astonishing muscle composition with those fast fibers and 735 00:47:11,395 --> 00:47:17,395 Speaker 1: superior genes. I will leave it to you and to 736 00:47:17,475 --> 00:47:21,355 Speaker 1: his maker, an assessment of how much of Roger Banister 737 00:47:21,475 --> 00:47:24,675 Speaker 1: was patronizing, how much was him trying to rationalize how 738 00:47:24,715 --> 00:47:28,995 Speaker 1: his time had been bettered by nearly ten percent, and 739 00:47:29,035 --> 00:47:32,115 Speaker 1: how much of it was just sheer racism. But I 740 00:47:32,155 --> 00:47:34,875 Speaker 1: will note that in what Banister said is another reason 741 00:47:34,955 --> 00:47:38,155 Speaker 1: to believe that the idea that he was the first 742 00:47:38,315 --> 00:47:42,155 Speaker 1: human to run a four minute mile is laugh out 743 00:47:42,275 --> 00:47:48,275 Speaker 1: loud ridiculous. What about all of the runners of color 744 00:47:49,035 --> 00:47:54,475 Speaker 1: over the centuries, over the millennia, in Africa and South 745 00:47:54,475 --> 00:47:59,955 Speaker 1: America and elsewhere on this globe. By Banister's own disturbing logic, 746 00:48:00,035 --> 00:48:04,555 Speaker 1: certainly some of them must have beaten him to break 747 00:48:04,875 --> 00:48:11,275 Speaker 1: the four minute tape. No, let me close with this. 748 00:48:11,595 --> 00:48:14,915 Speaker 1: I don't know for certain who ran the first four 749 00:48:14,955 --> 00:48:18,035 Speaker 1: minute mile or when. For all we know, it was 750 00:48:18,075 --> 00:48:21,515 Speaker 1: broken two thousand years ago, and for that matter, so 751 00:48:21,675 --> 00:48:23,795 Speaker 1: was the present world record of three point forty three 752 00:48:23,875 --> 00:48:26,915 Speaker 1: point thirteen. Might have been James Parrott or Powell or Weller, 753 00:48:27,035 --> 00:48:29,875 Speaker 1: whose first names we don't know, or someone so lost 754 00:48:29,915 --> 00:48:32,035 Speaker 1: to history that we don't know their first name, or 755 00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:35,595 Speaker 1: their last name, or their country. We don't know who 756 00:48:35,635 --> 00:48:39,555 Speaker 1: it was. But no matter what you hear, or see 757 00:48:39,675 --> 00:48:43,195 Speaker 1: or read in this Weekend Ahead, it's sure as hell 758 00:48:43,435 --> 00:48:49,675 Speaker 1: was not Roger Banister, which brings us lastly to missus 759 00:48:49,915 --> 00:48:55,795 Speaker 1: Roger Banister, Moira Elva Jacobson Banister, daughter of a Swedish economist. 760 00:48:56,435 --> 00:48:59,435 Speaker 1: According to Roger Banister, his wife didn't know a lick 761 00:48:59,515 --> 00:49:02,115 Speaker 1: about sports, let alone about running, let alone about him 762 00:49:02,195 --> 00:49:09,715 Speaker 1: running four time. Roger Banister once said, my wife thought 763 00:49:09,795 --> 00:49:18,515 Speaker 1: I had run four miles in one minute. You know, 764 00:49:18,595 --> 00:49:21,035 Speaker 1: as I've been thinking about this and researching that story, 765 00:49:21,075 --> 00:49:24,435 Speaker 1: you might as well go with that four miles in 766 00:49:24,475 --> 00:49:28,795 Speaker 1: one minute. It's no more ridiculous than thinking that Roger 767 00:49:28,835 --> 00:49:31,955 Speaker 1: Banister was the first man to run one mile in 768 00:49:32,155 --> 00:49:56,035 Speaker 1: four minutes. I've done all the damage I can do here. 769 00:49:56,115 --> 00:49:58,995 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening. Countdown. Musical directors Brian Ray and 770 00:49:59,075 --> 00:50:02,955 Speaker 1: John Phillip Scheneil arranged, produced and performed most of our music. 771 00:50:03,235 --> 00:50:05,515 Speaker 1: Mister Ray was on the guitars, base and drums, and 772 00:50:05,595 --> 00:50:09,715 Speaker 1: mister Shaneil handled orchestration and keyboards, and was produced by 773 00:50:09,795 --> 00:50:13,315 Speaker 1: Tko Brothers. Other music, including some of the Beethoven compositions 774 00:50:13,395 --> 00:50:16,275 Speaker 1: arranged and performed by the group No Horns Allowed. The 775 00:50:16,315 --> 00:50:19,795 Speaker 1: sports music is the Alderman theme from ESPN two, written 776 00:50:19,795 --> 00:50:23,755 Speaker 1: by Mitch Warren Davis courtesy of ESPN Inc. Our satirical 777 00:50:23,755 --> 00:50:26,235 Speaker 1: and pithy musical comments are by Nancy Fauss. The best 778 00:50:26,275 --> 00:50:29,835 Speaker 1: baseball stadium organist ever. Our announcer was my friend Dennis Leary, 779 00:50:30,115 --> 00:50:33,235 Speaker 1: and everything else was pretty much my fault. So that's 780 00:50:33,235 --> 00:50:35,915 Speaker 1: countdown for this the one hundred and eighty second day 781 00:50:36,275 --> 00:50:40,115 Speaker 1: until the twenty twenty four presidential election, the two hundred 782 00:50:40,115 --> 00:50:44,395 Speaker 1: and nineteenth day since Defendant J Trump's first attempted coup 783 00:50:44,715 --> 00:50:48,315 Speaker 1: against the democratically elected government of the United States. Use 784 00:50:48,395 --> 00:50:52,075 Speaker 1: the mental health system, use the not regularly given elector 785 00:50:52,115 --> 00:50:56,635 Speaker 1: objection option, use the justice system to stop him from 786 00:50:56,675 --> 00:51:02,835 Speaker 1: doing it again while we still can. The next scheduled 787 00:51:02,875 --> 00:51:05,595 Speaker 1: countdown is tomorrow Boalton's as a new warrant. Still then, 788 00:51:05,595 --> 00:51:09,115 Speaker 1: I'm Keith Ulremman. Good Morning, good afternoon, good night, and 789 00:51:09,595 --> 00:51:34,955 Speaker 1: good luck. Countdown with Keith Olreman is a production of iHeartRadio. 790 00:51:35,235 --> 00:51:40,395 Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 791 00:51:40,675 --> 00:51:42,595 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts