Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barr Lazar, Well, everybody nailed it, joined
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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barks. All right, I know you don't
Speaker 1: want to do this, but I'm gonna bring it up.
Speaker 1: A lot of those concepts you're talking about. We're geared
Speaker 1: around the running back like Jamir Gibbs led the team
Speaker 1: and catch us. He led the team and carries. Why
Speaker 1: are we doing this? Why every draft ever? You know
Speaker 1: why your microphone? You know why every draft season you
Speaker 1: have to come at me with the running back, the
Speaker 1: the punter, the the guard and do they not usually
Speaker 1: end up making those moves? Yeah, but we're not here
Speaker 1: he doesn't. It doesn't mean that we should delight or
Speaker 1: we should applaud it. I'm not Robinson in the first round. Great, awesome,
Speaker 1: but here's what you mistake. I am not applauding it.
Speaker 1: But nobody cares what we would do because we're not
Speaker 1: the ones making the decisions. They want us to tell
Speaker 1: them what we think, in our expert opinion, the team
Speaker 1: is going to do. It would be malpractice not to
Speaker 1: address it whether the move is right or wrong. Alex
Speaker 1: Barth back in studio, back from Vegas. We're not going
Speaker 1: to get into too many wild Vegas stories, but a
Speaker 1: couple of little tidbits about the lux Or, which was
Speaker 1: a beautiful you love the Luxor elevators that go at
Speaker 1: thirty nine degree angles. That almost made me throw up
Speaker 1: multiple times because I was drunk, just because the elevator
Speaker 1: is Evan just can't handle an elevator. Not that elevator.
Speaker 1: That was kind of cool. Diabo Cantina, fantastic Mexican. I
Speaker 1: usually don't love Mexican food. That was really good, the
Speaker 1: great Mexican restaurant inside the lovely lux Or. But I've
Speaker 1: had some some moments where I've woken up since we've
Speaker 1: been back. I told you this that I thought I
Speaker 1: was still in the Luxe store, and then i wake
Speaker 1: up and I'm like, oh good, I'm home. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not in this hotel in Vegas anymore. I know
Speaker 1: that was your first time in Vegas. I hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed yourself. But now that I've been to Vegas three
Speaker 1: times in like a seven month span, I am so
Speaker 1: Vegas out. I have no need for Vegas anymore. I've
Speaker 1: been there, I've done it. It smells it's hot, or
Speaker 1: this time it was it was not hot, this time
Speaker 1: it was cold. This time it was cold when it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be hot. Like, I'm just out on Vegas
Speaker 1: and I love Vegas, but I'm out back, like that
Speaker 1: sign says when you're leaving, come back soon. That's the
Speaker 1: worst part. I think that's the worst part is that
Speaker 1: knowing that the Raiders are once again on the road
Speaker 1: team schedule for next year, so no matter what I do,
Speaker 1: I will be back in Vegas next fall. I know.
Speaker 1: This sounds like a first world problem. It tour Evan.
Speaker 1: It totally more. Evan has to go to Las Vegas
Speaker 1: and watch football. Oh no, it's how It's one of
Speaker 1: those places that you go with your buddies. You go,
Speaker 1: you know, and have a good time for two or
Speaker 1: three days, but when you have to go over and
Speaker 1: over again and for a week at a time, it's
Speaker 1: not even just like that. We're popping in and leaving, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, we've been there for five six days straight. There.
Speaker 1: There's definitely a such thing as too much Vegas, and
Speaker 1: I've I've hit the Vegas quota and then some So
Speaker 1: that's our Vegas minute. We want to start the show.
Speaker 1: I published my first mock draft today, as I know
Speaker 1: you have one coming shortly on the Sports Up, but
Speaker 1: I want to go through some of the picks that
Speaker 1: I made in the mock draft and explain some of
Speaker 1: my methodology here of why I got to some of
Speaker 1: these things. Then we're gonna do some Senior Bowl stuff
Speaker 1: that will segue us into some Senior Bowl stuff because
Speaker 1: we haven't been on the air since the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: so we'll get an opportunity to talk about some of
Speaker 1: the standouts and we'll see take some calls and see
Speaker 1: where that takes us. Eight five five patch five hundred
Speaker 1: is the phone number you can email at web radio
Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com as well. Let's get into the
Speaker 1: mock draft, though, I think the biggest thing that when
Speaker 1: I went into this mock draft, so the first thing
Speaker 1: that I wanted to do was get through the top receivers,
Speaker 1: the top corners, and the top tackles in the draft
Speaker 1: to have a really good feel of the guys that
Speaker 1: realistically the Patriots might target in the first round this year.
Speaker 1: In the draft, I think we can all agree that
Speaker 1: those three positions back to the rand at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the show, they're not I pray that they're not
Speaker 1: taking another guard. I pray that they're not taking Bijean
Speaker 1: Robinson or your boy Gibbs from Alabama in the first
Speaker 1: round of running back, is my point. We pray that
Speaker 1: that's not going to be I pray. I can't speak
Speaker 1: for you. Can I give you one more position that
Speaker 1: I could not be less interested in the first round.
Speaker 1: And some people actually like the positions you named. I
Speaker 1: don't think anybody's really talking about that. The tight end
Speaker 1: in the first round thing, Yeah, that too when you
Speaker 1: stop because especially like Mayor in particular, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I think he's a bad player. I actually think he's
Speaker 1: a very good player. But a big issue for the
Speaker 1: Patriots offense really going back to Cam Newton year, has
Speaker 1: been they're not horizontal enough, right, Like, if you stack
Speaker 1: the box against the Patriots, you're pretty much gonna take
Speaker 1: away everything. I think Michael Mayer is a really good player,
Speaker 1: but he barely lines up in the slot. Forget out
Speaker 1: Why I mean you're lining him up in line? Everything
Speaker 1: is being played in a phone booth, right You're you're
Speaker 1: no more. You don't prevent teams from stacking the box.
Speaker 1: You don't prevent teams from you know, taking players outside
Speaker 1: the numbers, right, So I just if you're gonna use
Speaker 1: that hive and investment on a pass catcher, either trade
Speaker 1: it for a guy like Tee Higgins right or at
Speaker 1: least draft And what's weird is the top receivers in
Speaker 1: this draft or all slot receivers. So they don't necessarily
Speaker 1: fix that problem either, at least not to the extent.
Speaker 1: But I just I see all these people who are
Speaker 1: all excited about Michael Mayer, you know as the US
Speaker 1: but may or like a big guy, where's eighty seven? Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it just it doesn't make sense. I'm not saying tight
Speaker 1: end in the draft doesn't make sense. We'll get to that,
Speaker 1: but if we're listening, the positions we're out on in
Speaker 1: the first round unless they do something spectacular in free agency,
Speaker 1: it with trades and whatever. For now, I am out
Speaker 1: on sight end in the first round. So I think
Speaker 1: the biggest issue that I had is that every single
Speaker 1: time I came up with a reason to take a
Speaker 1: position other than the guy at the position I took,
Speaker 1: I still came back to this still feels like such
Speaker 1: a glaring hole that they absolutely need to address. And
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, the Patriots have targeted
Speaker 1: major holes on their roster with their top picks in
Speaker 1: the draft. Coles Strange needed guards, They draft a guard,
Speaker 1: need a quarterback. They draft Mac Jones. Patrick Chung is
Speaker 1: about to retire, They draft Kyle Dugger. Right, they have
Speaker 1: gone need based a little bit here. Well, so my
Speaker 1: and you've heard me do this rump before drafting for
Speaker 1: need versus drafting the best player available. And everybody always says, well,
Speaker 1: you don't draft for need, You never draft for need.
Speaker 1: Just take the best player on the board, and that's
Speaker 1: what you do. Okay, Well, what does that mean? What
Speaker 1: does the best player on the board mean? Are we
Speaker 1: talking about like overall talent level? Because if that's the case,
Speaker 1: there should be kickers and punters going in the first round,
Speaker 1: Like you know, we're gonna get twenty twenty five picks
Speaker 1: into this thing. And if we're just going back, like Pier,
Speaker 1: throwout positional value, just who is the best at their
Speaker 1: position relative to everybody else at their position. Jake Moody's
Speaker 1: a top thirty player in this draft. Would you agree
Speaker 1: with that in that context? I understand. And then but
Speaker 1: that's the thing. Then people come back and say always
Speaker 1: got to come up. But then, but then people are
Speaker 1: A running back Jimir Gibbs is a top thirty talented
Speaker 1: player in this draft, just just to John Robinson, I
Speaker 1: think is a top twenty guy. Okay, so, but so
Speaker 1: they're the best player available. So if you're gonna come
Speaker 1: at me and say, well, no, it's not what it means, well,
Speaker 1: all right, well now you're not taking the best player.
Speaker 1: Now you're putting qualifiers on it, right. I also think
Speaker 1: that their approach has been pretty consistently the best player
Speaker 1: available at the biggest areas. They're trying to get those
Speaker 1: two things. And what does Bill Belichick always say? You know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do what's best for the team. So if
Speaker 1: the best player available is the best player for the team,
Speaker 1: you are factoring need in. So best player available doesn't
Speaker 1: actually mean anything because you can make an argument that
Speaker 1: a kicker or running back. How about all those years
Speaker 1: with Brady when they were passing on quarterbacks who were
Speaker 1: better players than the guys they were drafting in the
Speaker 1: first round, right, Well, that one you know later in
Speaker 1: his career, maybe you could argue taking a quarterback, but
Speaker 1: I'm talking earlier on right, Aaron Rodgers falls all the
Speaker 1: way to twenty. Whatever I believe they picked before the
Speaker 1: Packers that year, I'm gonna guess he's a better player
Speaker 1: and whoever they took, but that one helps them. So
Speaker 1: best player available as a fallacy, best player available doesn't
Speaker 1: actually mean what you think it means. When you say
Speaker 1: best player available, the full sentence should be best player
Speaker 1: available for the football team. So don't come at me with, oh,
Speaker 1: you're too focused on drafting for need That's not what
Speaker 1: teams do. That's what every team does. It just sounds
Speaker 1: sexier to say taking the best player avail. So I
Speaker 1: think that we can agree that corner, tackle, wide receiver
Speaker 1: are the three biggest spots where a significant upgrade on
Speaker 1: the roster would really move the needle. And we're taking
Speaker 1: quarterback out of it. I know some people would would
Speaker 1: say quarterback, but we're taking quarterback out of it because
Speaker 1: I think they're taking quarterback out of it right at
Speaker 1: least for this year and at that high in the draft. Right.
Speaker 1: So my other the way that I always go about
Speaker 1: this is that I try to eliminate guys before I
Speaker 1: pick a guy, right like, I try to eliminate options
Speaker 1: where I don't love this, I don't like that, and
Speaker 1: then I end up with the last man standing right
Speaker 1: at corner. I got admit, I've watched all of these guys,
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, Joey Porter Junior, Cam Smith, Ringo from Georgia,
Speaker 1: and who's the other, A Witherspoon from Illinois. I think
Speaker 1: all of them have first round caliber traits, but I
Speaker 1: don't think any of them are really the entire package.
Speaker 1: And that's why I don't think you're gonna have a
Speaker 1: Sauce Gardener right like, You're not gonna have somebody go
Speaker 1: in the top five at that position this year. Because
Speaker 1: of that. I think that a guy that could be
Speaker 1: available there that I would at that position is Joey
Speaker 1: Porter Junior. But then you have some political things with
Speaker 1: his father and the Patriots that I think you have
Speaker 1: to bring up in this conversation when it comes to
Speaker 1: draft and fit. But based off the things that Joey
Speaker 1: Porter Senior has said about New England in the past,
Speaker 1: and you can just go look him up on your
Speaker 1: own time, I'm not necessarily sure that Bill's gonna draft
Speaker 1: his son. I just and even on top of that,
Speaker 1: there's the Penn State thing he never takes. And I
Speaker 1: would also mention that as good as I think Joey
Speaker 1: Porter Junior could probably be in the protect in a
Speaker 1: proper role, in the proper scheme, he is a higher,
Speaker 1: higher legged, or tighter hipped corner. He's somebody that when
Speaker 1: you look at him play, if he's not getting redirects
Speaker 1: or jams instantly early on in the route and guys
Speaker 1: are able to get up to top speed on him,
Speaker 1: he has a difficult time I think on film flipping
Speaker 1: his hips and then mirroring guys down the field right,
Speaker 1: being able to turn and run with guys even out
Speaker 1: of press coverage. I think out an off coverage, smaller,
Speaker 1: shiftier guys are going to be able to break down
Speaker 1: on him, and they're gonna be able to change directions
Speaker 1: on him. So I'm not in love with any of
Speaker 1: the corners. We've talked a ton about wide receiver and
Speaker 1: I feel the same. And I would also mention that
Speaker 1: with both these groups, I think it's a really deep
Speaker 1: draft at both of these positions. So is there really
Speaker 1: all three that the Patriots need. I know you're getting
Speaker 1: a tackle, but if there is there a huge drop
Speaker 1: off from Christian Gonzales to some of the corners that
Speaker 1: you might be able to get. I think this corner
Speaker 1: has the narrowest drop off I think in a lot
Speaker 1: of years. And we're going to talk about this, I oh,
Speaker 1: this guy's the first round picked. This guy's second round pick.
Speaker 1: It's very important to remember that's all relative. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: are guys in last year's like they're guys in this
Speaker 1: year's class who aren't going to go in the first round,
Speaker 1: who would have been first round picks last year, like
Speaker 1: easy locked first round picks that this year might go
Speaker 1: in the second round. Might they might even go in
Speaker 1: the third. So it's all relative when you look at
Speaker 1: it like that. And yeah, this is a year where
Speaker 1: I think at cornerback, you can there's gonna be one
Speaker 1: or two guys that go outside of the top sixty
Speaker 1: at corner that in an average year might be first
Speaker 1: round picks. Yeah. So the other position was wide receiver,
Speaker 1: and I love wide receivers. I love breaking them down,
Speaker 1: I love talking about them. It's the sexy position for
Speaker 1: them to draft. It's the most fun position. For them
Speaker 1: to take is to take a weapon. One punters can
Speaker 1: be weapons. The problem that I have with this wide
Speaker 1: receiver class is one the vast majority of the guys
Speaker 1: that I think fit their system or inside receivers. I'm
Speaker 1: not touching Quentin Johnston with a ten foot poll for
Speaker 1: the page. Well, not just the guys that pick their system.
Speaker 1: I think the majority of the best receivers in this
Speaker 1: after inside receivers. Right, so we're talking about guys at
Speaker 1: inside receiver that also have flaws in terms of playing
Speaker 1: obviously outside. I think speed, vertical speed, long speed is
Speaker 1: something that some of these guys like a Jackson Smith
Speaker 1: and Jigba is going to have a knock on unless
Speaker 1: he goes to the combine and runs a four four.
Speaker 1: If he even runs, I think that people are going
Speaker 1: to worry about play speed or you know, elite top
Speaker 1: end speed with a player like that. Jordan Addison I
Speaker 1: think had a lot of struggles against press man when
Speaker 1: he went to USC He was better in that situation
Speaker 1: against when he was with Pitt, But he goes to
Speaker 1: a better conference and he struggled. I thought, getting off
Speaker 1: press coverage. Thank you for saying the PAC twelve is
Speaker 1: a better conference than the ACCT it is it was,
Speaker 1: and handling those types of things. I think size as
Speaker 1: a whole with some of these guys, right Zay Flowers
Speaker 1: say Flowers, Tank Dale right, size issues. So all of
Speaker 1: these things, I think come back to what is how
Speaker 1: do you hit the ball straight down on the runway.
Speaker 1: I'll use a golf analogy for you, right, how do
Speaker 1: you split the fairway here? Or fairway? I'm gonna go
Speaker 1: with the fairway, that's correct, Yeah, how do you split
Speaker 1: the fairway? And I think that there's this is why
Speaker 1: I got the tackle, and I think number one, it's
Speaker 1: the biggest need. The season starts tomorrow. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if they have a two starting caliber tackles. I
Speaker 1: think Trent Brown you can count, but they definitely don't
Speaker 1: have But he even Trent Brown's on the last year's contracts,
Speaker 1: So you gotta start planning ahead and you don't even
Speaker 1: you definitely don't have one. You have one starting tackle
Speaker 1: missing right because you just don't even have anybody under
Speaker 1: contract honestly to play right tackle at the moment or
Speaker 1: left if you know you're flipping Trent back to right.
Speaker 1: So tackles the biggest area of need on the roster,
Speaker 1: and I think there's three guys that are Tier one
Speaker 1: tackles in this class that realistically one of them I
Speaker 1: think will be available at fourteen. Now, the guy that
Speaker 1: I pegged at fourteen was Kronsky, and the reason why
Speaker 1: I did that is because I think Paris Johnson is
Speaker 1: built in a lab to play left tackle in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He's the prototype, right He's He's a Tyre and Smith type.
Speaker 1: He's like the guy that's just you printed him out
Speaker 1: and he's a left tackle. He's six foot five, good length,
Speaker 1: good balance, good all that stuff, like a good feet
Speaker 1: like just exactly what you want in a tackle. I
Speaker 1: think that that guy is too polished and in terms
Speaker 1: of his body type and his building his frame to
Speaker 1: not go top ten. Broderick Jones, to me, is going
Speaker 1: to put on an absolute show at the combine. You
Speaker 1: can see it when he blocks in space on film
Speaker 1: at Georgia. He can get out of his stance, he
Speaker 1: can run, he can really block on the move, screens, polls,
Speaker 1: second level climbs like whatever. He can do all that.
Speaker 1: So that tells me that I think that he's going
Speaker 1: to run really well and test really well and Indie,
Speaker 1: and I think that he'll be a fringe top ten,
Speaker 1: like late like five to nine ten range, let's call it.
Speaker 1: So that leaves Scarronsky, who I think is the least
Speaker 1: likely to put up a huge onbine workout. I think
Speaker 1: there are some concerns about his arm length. I am
Speaker 1: not a big arm length guy, but that's gonna come
Speaker 1: up in his draft evaluation. But ultimately, I think that
Speaker 1: the floor of him is extremely high. It's a safe pick.
Speaker 1: He's tackled Coal Strange. You are gonna I think he's
Speaker 1: more polished than Coal Strange. And I think that when
Speaker 1: you draft him, you are drafting a player that and look,
Speaker 1: everybody could get injured every like all that, like all
Speaker 1: those types of caveats aside, you are drafting a player
Speaker 1: that is going to be your starting tackle on either
Speaker 1: the left or the right side for the next half
Speaker 1: decade plus if you actually pay him when the time comes.
Speaker 1: And that's a whole separate conversation. So at least for
Speaker 1: the rookie contract, you're not gonna you're gonna put him in.
Speaker 1: He's gonna plug and play as a rookie, and you're
Speaker 1: not gonna move him right and that and that I
Speaker 1: think there's something to really be said for that. I
Speaker 1: understand that maybe some people want a higher ceiling, like
Speaker 1: they want that, you know, all pro maybe future type
Speaker 1: of multi all probe type of player. But I think
Speaker 1: at fourteen, you're really just trying to get a guy
Speaker 1: that is a plug and play player as a rookie,
Speaker 1: that isn't gonna miss and can really hold down a
Speaker 1: position for you long term. And I think that that's
Speaker 1: Scarnsky's tackle. It's the most likely option I think at
Speaker 1: fourteen to fall to you amongst those Tier one tackles.
Speaker 1: And I would also mention lastly, he can play on
Speaker 1: the left side, which I think is important. Yeah, as
Speaker 1: much as I don't think I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: right tackle, I don't think he's a commo tackle like
Speaker 1: that's just as much as I love guys like we've
Speaker 1: talked about them a ton, Dawn Jones, Darnell Right from Tennessee,
Speaker 1: I love those guys, but they're pure right tackles, and
Speaker 1: I think that it's more important for them right now.
Speaker 1: Tayo address left. Maybe you flip Trent Brown back to
Speaker 1: right if Scarronsky is ready to go and you have
Speaker 1: that for next year, and then you were you maybe
Speaker 1: drafted right tackle later in the draft or another tackle prospect,
Speaker 1: which I did in this and double dip at the
Speaker 1: position to get two starters in one draft. So Scronsky
Speaker 1: was my first round pick at fourteen. I just think
Speaker 1: it's too easy of a projection for them. Give you
Speaker 1: an interesting hypothetical, not a hypothetical, I don't know what
Speaker 1: this is. Let's say they didn't need a tackle. Let's
Speaker 1: say it's like last year, right where you're set for
Speaker 1: the position for one year. You know you're gonna need
Speaker 1: a tackle next year. I almost wish they could draft
Speaker 1: to Wan Jones, red shirt him, and like teach him
Speaker 1: left tackle behind the scenes. I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: way where I think there's a way that you could
Speaker 1: play him at right tackle. And then let's say he's
Speaker 1: absolutely balls out at right tackle. You could flip him
Speaker 1: at some point. And I know that that scares some
Speaker 1: people because of what it see. I wouldn't flip him
Speaker 1: if he has to play immediately. That's the thing. I
Speaker 1: think it's possible. Look, it's risky though, that's and you're
Speaker 1: talking about that. That's the thing. It's not the safe pick,
Speaker 1: it's not I love to want Jones, man, he's so
Speaker 1: freaking good. I like to want Jones a lot too.
Speaker 1: And I'm not completely ruling out making you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't take another tackle on the top one hundred. I
Speaker 1: took Steen in the fourth round. So maybe they do
Speaker 1: go and take two tackles in the top one hundred
Speaker 1: and really solidify that spot. But even still they're not
Speaker 1: If they don't take Dwan Jones at fourteen, I don't
Speaker 1: think you're getting no. And no, I don't think so either.
Speaker 1: And the other thing that I didn't do trades in
Speaker 1: this one because to me, sometimes I think we get
Speaker 1: lost in the sauce with the trades, Like you're all
Speaker 1: you're moving on and you're like, oh, I'm gonna trade this,
Speaker 1: and i'm gonna trade that, and I'm gonna trade a
Speaker 1: future pick. Like I'm just trying to get guys that
Speaker 1: make sense, right, Like, and if if Joe, you know,
Speaker 1: Skrotsky ends up getting picked in the first thirteen picks
Speaker 1: and they don't have a chance to draft them, then okay, whatever,
Speaker 1: But we need to talk about Skarroski. Yeah, Like he's
Speaker 1: somebody that they could easily target in the first round.
Speaker 1: So my second round pick was Josh Downs from uncom
Speaker 1: preseason some people. For some people can't. The feedback that
Speaker 1: I got was that it's too low, right, that he's
Speaker 1: gonna go higher than this. I don't really like that.
Speaker 1: Are those discussions either, because somebody always falls, like somebody
Speaker 1: we're not expecting always falls. Somebody that we're not expecting
Speaker 1: we think is going to go in the thirties goes
Speaker 1: in the forties, and so on and so forth. So
Speaker 1: we don't know for one hundred percent fact that jo
Speaker 1: Down is gonna go higher. What I like about Josh
Speaker 1: Downs compared can I Can I just make one more
Speaker 1: point on that before you get into the player himself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a class. We're at that position. Jordan Atison,
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbaze, Flowers, k Shawn Boutet. There's so
Speaker 1: much talent at that very specialized position. Somebody in that
Speaker 1: group's gonna fall. Yeah, somebody in that group's gonna fall.
Speaker 1: And by the way, on the board we use so
Speaker 1: you took him forty six, Yeah, they've Josh Downs forty four,
Speaker 1: So that's not a stretch at all. Yeah, So Josh Downs.
Speaker 1: The reason why I like him over a guy like
Speaker 1: Isa Flowers in particular, or our guy Tank Dell, who
Speaker 1: we both really like, yeah, is that he's a little
Speaker 1: bit more girthy than those two guys. Right, he's five
Speaker 1: foot teine five. I think he's built to a stand
Speaker 1: getting targeted one hundred times in the slot, little bit
Speaker 1: more than those two guys are. And he's got that
Speaker 1: list five seventy five. I think he's bigger than that.
Speaker 1: I think you look at the the Edelman or the
Speaker 1: Welker comparisons, I think that he's a thicker build. I
Speaker 1: think he's got sort of that running back type of
Speaker 1: frame where he's a little bit thicker. He's got a
Speaker 1: low center of gravity, can change directions really well, can
Speaker 1: pick up yards after the catch with the football in
Speaker 1: his hands. This is Mac Jones's jitterbug, right, Like this
Speaker 1: is his slot receiver, his Welker, his Edelman, his get
Speaker 1: open in his foam booth, catch the football, add five
Speaker 1: six yards to it after the catch when he's got
Speaker 1: some breathing room, and keep him to chains moving. That's
Speaker 1: that's who Josh Downs is. And I'll say they have
Speaker 1: to hit on that skill set in this draft. Josh
Speaker 1: Downs from everything and I haven't talked him personally, but
Speaker 1: from everything I understand about him. So day of Drake
Speaker 1: may come in last year unc Drake may I believe
Speaker 1: he was a true freshman or was he a redshirt freshman?
Speaker 1: Either way first year as a starter. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a high ranked recruister richer freshman and like he tore
Speaker 1: it up and Josh Downs was that guy that kind
Speaker 1: of you have this young, inexperienced quarterback that he felt
Speaker 1: he could go to. Now Mac Jones is gonna be
Speaker 1: more experienced than Josh Downs. The roles kind of flipped there.
Speaker 1: But this is a guy who kind of knows how
Speaker 1: to carry a quarterback along. Yeah, and that's certainly something
Speaker 1: to Patriots. Yeah. I talked about, you know, potentially replacing
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers. That's something Jacoby Myers is excellent with kind
Speaker 1: of just helping Mac Jones along. There's a guy that
Speaker 1: third down, he's gonna be your first read all the
Speaker 1: time and he's going to deliver more often than not. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Dante Skarneck has been on various shows and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, and he's talked about needing to get mac
Speaker 1: Jones his binkie, Like, who's this guy when he's third
Speaker 1: and five and he needs a first down? Who can
Speaker 1: he immediately look to. I think Jacobe Myers has has
Speaker 1: tried and at times elevated to that status, but I
Speaker 1: think they need somebody that's a little bit more dynamic
Speaker 1: and more consistent in that role. And I think Downs
Speaker 1: can do that. And I just think that in general,
Speaker 1: whether it's Downs, whether it's Flowers, whether it's Jackson, Smith
Speaker 1: and Jim there's so many options of that skill set
Speaker 1: in this draft that it seems inexcusable to me to
Speaker 1: not come away with one. They have to draft one
Speaker 1: of those guys. It does, but we've also done this before.
Speaker 1: We did it at linebacker last year. We did a
Speaker 1: wide receiver yere. But just because they don't do it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's the right I know, I know,
Speaker 1: I just and look, I think they're again, They're three
Speaker 1: biggest needs are so far, in a way, the three
Speaker 1: best positions in the traft. And maybe you could argue
Speaker 1: their fourth biggest need is tight end and that's another
Speaker 1: excellent position in this draft. Yeah, Like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: temperate my expectations because they never attack these strong classes.
Speaker 1: But I'm almost kind of agreeing with you in different way.
Speaker 1: Those other years, it's not like they went out and
Speaker 1: took players they didn't need, right, But it's so it's
Speaker 1: gonna be so hard for them this year to not
Speaker 1: pick from the strongest positions, just given the way the
Speaker 1: board sets up in everything. And I last year and
Speaker 1: I we're gonna get to talk to him again, and
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to having his answer about this again.
Speaker 1: Last year Macro talked about having to attack the receiver
Speaker 1: position a little bit differently, and now it's a position
Speaker 1: of great premium value that you need to go out
Speaker 1: and get these guys. You can't just sit back and
Speaker 1: hang out and wait for somebody in the seventh round
Speaker 1: to turn into Julian Edelman anymore. So I look at it,
Speaker 1: and I say, with receiver, especially because it's so much
Speaker 1: cheaper to find them in the draft than it is
Speaker 1: to go out in free agency or out in the
Speaker 1: veteran trade market. In the choir one like, let's say
Speaker 1: they go out and they I don't think he's getting moved,
Speaker 1: but if they trade for T Higgins, now you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to give T Higgins a five year, one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty five million dollar contract salary cap, and he
Speaker 1: traded a first round pick for him, right, in all
Speaker 1: these different things, So the best and easiest way, well,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say the easiest, the best way in terms
Speaker 1: of a cost and just in terms of a value.
Speaker 1: I guess the best way to put it. It's a
Speaker 1: draft these guys, and my inclination is then to take
Speaker 1: that and say, well, then you should keep taking stabs
Speaker 1: until you find it right. Like they took Tae Quad
Speaker 1: in the second round last year. If they take one
Speaker 1: of that group that we've been mentioning a bunch here
Speaker 1: today in the first or second round this year, like
Speaker 1: this is what, you should keep taking stabs at it
Speaker 1: and bites at the apple until you get it right.
Speaker 1: They can also, they can do both too, right. They
Speaker 1: can use a second round pick on a guy like
Speaker 1: Josh Downs and then double up with Tamario Douglas later
Speaker 1: in the draft. And I'll say this too, Bill O'Brien's offense.
Speaker 1: At times they could run two slot receivers. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean Edelman and Amndola did it right, Welker and sort
Speaker 1: of Edelman even at Alabama that would kind of get
Speaker 1: weird with it with Mechi and Slave Bolden. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I'm not a post of doubling up at the position either. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think you need to keep taking swings there
Speaker 1: because these wide receivers in the draft. Every draft class,
Speaker 1: I know the Patriots haven't had the best luck, but
Speaker 1: every draft class, it seems like there's a half a
Speaker 1: dozen guys that come out that end up being starters
Speaker 1: and maybe even stars even in later rounds. Like it
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily need to be a first round pick. There's
Speaker 1: guys in the day two that have been coming out
Speaker 1: for years now that ended up being hit. So the
Speaker 1: round out the top one hundred, I took Julius Brents
Speaker 1: with my third round pick here at a Kansas State.
Speaker 1: Both of us have talked a little bit about him.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've talked about I've talked about
Speaker 1: on air together, but Julius Brents is the day two
Speaker 1: long athletic outside corner right six foot three, two hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: I thought what really stood out at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: in one on one drills and the film that I
Speaker 1: saw from practices was his ability to flip his hips
Speaker 1: and get out and run right, And that's not something
Speaker 1: that a lot of guys at that size can do.
Speaker 1: Can you transition your hips? Can you get out and
Speaker 1: get off a press coverage and then flip and run
Speaker 1: with a guy like That's not easy to do at
Speaker 1: six foot three. He's not leggy, He's not He doesn't
Speaker 1: stall out of his transitions. He's really quick and smooth
Speaker 1: out of the transitions. And I think when you look
Speaker 1: at learning from past mistakes with that skill set, like
Speaker 1: a Juan Williams, Juan Williams ran in the four sixes,
Speaker 1: Juan Williams couldn't transition, flip and run right like that
Speaker 1: was the biggest issue that he has. I think that
Speaker 1: a guy like Brands, at least at least from what
Speaker 1: I've seen, can do that a little bit more consistently.
Speaker 1: He was also in a system at Kansas State where
Speaker 1: he was just asked to be on an island, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: most of the game, you got this guy right man
Speaker 1: coverage on an island. So he went up against Quinton
Speaker 1: Johnston at TCU twice. It was a back and forth battle,
Speaker 1: I think in the big the regular season. Yet I
Speaker 1: can't remember which one it was one of them. Quinton
Speaker 1: Johnson put up some numbers against Quintin Johnston. So he
Speaker 1: had in the Big Twelve championship game, he had four
Speaker 1: for one fifty six. Yeah, but he had like an
Speaker 1: eighty yard catch seventy eighty yard like catch and run
Speaker 1: that was just on a I think it was on
Speaker 1: zone because it was like at the end of the half. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that might have not been Brenton coverage on that one.
Speaker 1: So he got bee. He got called for a couple
Speaker 1: of DPIs in that game, but does get he does
Speaker 1: get a little handy. That's my one. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that he'll need to refine that. I think he needs
Speaker 1: to refine being able to track the football in the
Speaker 1: air a little bit better. I think that's what happens
Speaker 1: is that he loses the ball a little bit and
Speaker 1: then the receiver stop to go up and elevate for
Speaker 1: the football and he's on top of him right and
Speaker 1: then against the flags. So I think that there's going
Speaker 1: to be some elements of his game that need to
Speaker 1: be seasoned, that need to be worked out. But if
Speaker 1: there's one thing that I think I'm confident in them
Speaker 1: being able to do, is to coach up those elements
Speaker 1: of cornerbacks, right, like the details. Yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: they've missed in the past, it's they've missed on the athlete, right,
Speaker 1: they've missed on the actual movement skill of the player,
Speaker 1: not necessarily that they can't coach him up. And this
Speaker 1: goes back to like what we were doing last year
Speaker 1: with Tarique Woolen. And I don't think he's Tarique Woolen,
Speaker 1: but he's six three two o two. He can move.
Speaker 1: Just get him in the building and you'll figure it
Speaker 1: out after that because you do have a good, great
Speaker 1: coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball and
Speaker 1: whether it's tim and a good track record developing that position, right,
Speaker 1: any one of these big corners, I think Brent is
Speaker 1: that he's my favorite of the like non obvious first
Speaker 1: round pick ones. But just get him in the building
Speaker 1: and figure out because boy would have six three corner
Speaker 1: When you got to play the Bengals with t Higgins
Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase, when you got to play the Raiders
Speaker 1: with Devanta Adams, when there's all these teams with big
Speaker 1: receivers in the AFC, right, when you gotta go play
Speaker 1: those teams, you have a guy that look, Marcus Jones
Speaker 1: going against both DeAndre Hopkins and and Devanta Adams was
Speaker 1: so much better than anybody could have expected. But at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, he's going to be five eight,
Speaker 1: And there were times when that came up like there
Speaker 1: was nothing. They're just throwing jump balls and six four
Speaker 1: te Higgins is going to be able to get up higher.
Speaker 1: So having a guy like Julius Brents would just completely
Speaker 1: change the way they can operate against some of these
Speaker 1: elite offenses. Yeah. I think we're talking to people at
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl sizek corner and tackle or the two
Speaker 1: biggest things that kept on coming size of tackle, just
Speaker 1: like tackled right, Yeah, it kept on coming up at
Speaker 1: in conversations, and I think that you you said, oh,
Speaker 1: what do you think about this guy? What do you
Speaker 1: think about that guy? And a lot of the time
Speaker 1: when you when you pointed out one of these Jack Jones,
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones type of corners, a guy you know like
Speaker 1: Keetroll Clark we really liked and practices out of Louisville.
Speaker 1: You got, well, we got Keetroll Clark, right, we got
Speaker 1: three Keatroll Clark. So did see another thing I would
Speaker 1: love them doubling up and taking a guy like a
Speaker 1: Keetroll Clark or a Miles Brooks later on in the draft.
Speaker 1: But hey, that can't that can't be all you come
Speaker 1: away with. Yeah, so I'll just ridele off these. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we're thirty five minutes in, We've
Speaker 1: done three picks. Trey Dean in the fourth round, trading
Speaker 1: U Shrine Bowl State, like the the player of the
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl, I think. And he was on the West
Speaker 1: team with the Patriots coach. And we heard some guys
Speaker 1: that really on the coaching staff that were really high
Speaker 1: on Trey Dean and he was. He was really high
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff too. I think that does matter here.
Speaker 1: Yep uh Tyler Stein from Alabama. They're left tackle who
Speaker 1: I think is a tackle and I think can play
Speaker 1: either side most likely. I love that he played in
Speaker 1: the SEC his whole career, went to Vanderbilt first and
Speaker 1: then he transferred Alabama. So a very good tackle prospect.
Speaker 1: I think from where you're gonna get him. Here's just
Speaker 1: a quick thing on seen. Yeah. I always look at
Speaker 1: and Alabama doesn't do transfers as much as everybody else,
Speaker 1: just because and this is kind of changing now. But
Speaker 1: you don't transfer out of Alabama, right, so there aren't
Speaker 1: as many guys coming in. But when Nick Saban takes
Speaker 1: a guy who he's played against multiple times and says
Speaker 1: I've got to get him, especially from a program like Vanderbilt,
Speaker 1: that tells me a lot. So Steen I think can
Speaker 1: start in the NFL. Also, I think he's got st
Speaker 1: start right away though starting caliber traits. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you can start right away, but if you assume
Speaker 1: that Trent is going to start for a year, and
Speaker 1: then maybe Steen is the guy that in two years,
Speaker 1: because you're gonna start Gronsky in this instance, Yeah, in
Speaker 1: year one, last fourth ground pick a lot to Cameron
Speaker 1: Latto from Alabama. The tight end we talked, you talked
Speaker 1: about it briefly. Loaded tight end class, one of the
Speaker 1: tight end classes in recent memory. I think you have
Speaker 1: to pick someone out of that hat. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: took a lot to for obvious reasons. The Alabama connection.
Speaker 1: If you look at his stats under Bill O'Brien the
Speaker 1: last two years, that's when his career really took off
Speaker 1: at Alabama, was playing under Bill O'Brien. I think is
Speaker 1: a really solid route runner. I think he's somebody that's
Speaker 1: a very crisp and sharp out of his cuts and
Speaker 1: doesn't drift and doesn't, you know, do those little things
Speaker 1: that allowed defensive backs to get back in there. I
Speaker 1: think he can block a little bit. I think he
Speaker 1: can move around a little bit. I don't think he's
Speaker 1: got the ceiling that some of these other guys at
Speaker 1: the top, because he doesn't have that top end athleticism.
Speaker 1: But I think that he's just a solid, well rounded
Speaker 1: player on his ceiling though, And when you talk about
Speaker 1: his route running, I feel like we don't talk about
Speaker 1: these guys like he's a smart route runner. You watch
Speaker 1: him against zone like he knows where to go. And
Speaker 1: part of the reason is he actually was recruited as
Speaker 1: a defensive end and then switched to tight end after
Speaker 1: his first year. So when I see a guy like that,
Speaker 1: I don't know that he is a ceiling of like
Speaker 1: Musgrave or Kincaide, but like I think he actually has
Speaker 1: sneaky ceiling. You're right, he doesn't have the athleticism. He's
Speaker 1: never gonna run like a four four. But the fact
Speaker 1: he's only been playing the position three really two years,
Speaker 1: and he's gotten this far leads me to believe it,
Speaker 1: like he's a guy that can pick things up quickly
Speaker 1: in all of that, especially in this system. I think
Speaker 1: he knows the system like they sneaky upside for him.
Speaker 1: Sixth round. I know you told me this was too
Speaker 1: late for Jake Moody, but I took too late for
Speaker 1: Jake Moody, the kicker from Michigan. I think that they're
Speaker 1: gonna come away with a kicker or a punter. They're
Speaker 1: gonna draft one of them. They have these these sixth
Speaker 1: round picks. Maybe they package the two sixth round picks
Speaker 1: and move up back into the fifth round for their
Speaker 1: special teams round they don't currently have. They're a fifth
Speaker 1: round pick. They don't round pick get one. Some places
Speaker 1: are projecting the Kerass comp pick could come to the fifth,
Speaker 1: not a six yet it's possible. The next guy here,
Speaker 1: Tyrius Wheat from Misissippi State, another Shrine Bowl guy that
Speaker 1: they absolutely loved on the West team. Edge defender two
Speaker 1: sixty two sixty five, can play with his hand in
Speaker 1: the dirt or stand up linebacker on the outside, someone
Speaker 1: that just sets the edge the way that they want
Speaker 1: people to set the edge. He's not gonna be super flashy.
Speaker 1: He's not gonna jump out at you with all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But he's just a sturdy, rock solid,
Speaker 1: strong side edge defender, which we know they desperately like
Speaker 1: three down defensive end, which I love. He kind of
Speaker 1: reminds me of Teatrick Wise a little bit. And there's
Speaker 1: another guy they worked with the Shrine Bowl, Haba Cookball Donado.
Speaker 1: He was in here originally and I swopped him out
Speaker 1: for a week. Hey yeah, I also took Wheat in
Speaker 1: the same spot in my mock draft, and I had
Speaker 1: a really tough time between the two of them. So
Speaker 1: I think Habba is a little bit more upside with
Speaker 1: his athleticism. He's somebody that really can jump off the
Speaker 1: film on that first step right now, first step explosiveness
Speaker 1: that get off is really impressive from Haba. But I
Speaker 1: think that Habba to them will be like a situational rusher,
Speaker 1: right So I think Wheat is that early down run.
Speaker 1: I say, though we only overlapped. I saw your draft thirty.
Speaker 1: We only overlapped five picks this year only, and I
Speaker 1: think only four of them are taken in the same spot.
Speaker 1: So I just look at their their edge group and
Speaker 1: Ch and Jennings are gonna be free agents. Their rookie
Speaker 1: deals are coming up next offseason. But they also have
Speaker 1: guys like Judean who's on the TVs right now talking.
Speaker 1: That's a nice sweatshirt. There you go, Judean Ch those
Speaker 1: guys to our pass rushers, right, they need somebody that
Speaker 1: I think is gonna hold up a tight end and
Speaker 1: a combo block on the outside. Right, that that could be.
Speaker 1: I think that's what they want Jennings to be as well.
Speaker 1: But I think that we would join that mix here
Speaker 1: in the sixth round. Still Travis Die from USC the
Speaker 1: running back. This is where I think they should take
Speaker 1: a running back somewhere on day three, three years ago,
Speaker 1: when we started working together, you would have never made
Speaker 1: this pick. You would have been so annoyed when I
Speaker 1: suggested it. I am so proud of you for putting
Speaker 1: this pick in it kind of paying me. Still, You're
Speaker 1: he won me over talking to him. So I think
Speaker 1: that Die would have went a little bit higher if
Speaker 1: he was healthy and he could do all the people
Speaker 1: would have infringed on the showcases and stuff. But he
Speaker 1: injured his ankle towards the end of last season, so
Speaker 1: he's been held out of all these types of the
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl. He was there just for interviews and to
Speaker 1: be with the team. He was out there at practice though.
Speaker 1: He didn't participate though, but he was like standing out
Speaker 1: there with the coaches, taking the coach and that's something
Speaker 1: they're gonna notice. Yeah. So Travis d Usc I think
Speaker 1: has a chance to be a James White, right. I
Speaker 1: think he's got that change of direction. I think he's
Speaker 1: got that aciman in the passing game. He can pass block,
Speaker 1: really good pass block. Smart kid. I think he understands
Speaker 1: his role in the passing game and all those types
Speaker 1: of things. So he's been working with Shane Vereen actually
Speaker 1: a little bit. He told me, there you go, change
Speaker 1: of direction at the top of the route, that type
Speaker 1: of stuff. All right, h next sixth rounder forsythe from Oregon,
Speaker 1: Alex Forsyth. So I went back and forth on this
Speaker 1: one too, because they have that tackle that was at
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl that I'm not gonna try to pronounce
Speaker 1: his name. Well, they also have t J. Bass, right,
Speaker 1: he's the left tackle. Um, but uh Malisila, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna do. Just do the initials M A. L. L
Speaker 1: Are the initials right tackle right, Yeah, the right tackle
Speaker 1: from Oregon. He was at the Shrine Bowl on the
Speaker 1: East team. He's an NFL caliber player. TJ. Bass. You
Speaker 1: mentioned their left tackle is probably gonna move inside the
Speaker 1: guard in the NFL. He's an NFL caliberlier A caliber player.
Speaker 1: Forsyth is their center, who's an NFL caliber player for
Speaker 1: the starting center for the last two years. I think
Speaker 1: they like Cody Russi a lot. I do, but I
Speaker 1: think once you start to plan for post David Andrews,
Speaker 1: it would be nice to have multiple guys that could
Speaker 1: potentially fill the center role moving forward. And the reason
Speaker 1: obviously that we take an Oregon guy here is because
Speaker 1: of Adrian Clem reportedly coming on board. I think that
Speaker 1: he's going to be somebody that he's gonna have one
Speaker 1: of his guys, whether it's a UDFA or it's a
Speaker 1: late round pick, Like if I took forsythe he's gonna
Speaker 1: get one of his guys. I just think Bass is
Speaker 1: interesting because there's some three positional versatility. Yeah, he could
Speaker 1: he could move around. I think like that. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: that I went with Bass in that spot, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not bad. Okay. Seventh round another Shrine Bowl stand out,
Speaker 1: Anthony Orgy from Vanderbilt, the linebacker. I really liked what
Speaker 1: Eric Gaalco had to tell us about him. The first
Speaker 1: thing that he mentioned is that he's a downhill player,
Speaker 1: right attack the line of scrimmage, take on blockers, play
Speaker 1: the run well. And then I thought from all that,
Speaker 1: I actually thought that his passing coverage stood out a
Speaker 1: little bit in Vegas and he was a much better
Speaker 1: player in space or player in coverage than maybe he
Speaker 1: was getting credit for from some of the people coming in.
Speaker 1: So that was the mock draft. I really thought that
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me was trying to dip into
Speaker 1: some of these stronger classes this year. Tackle, corner, receiver,
Speaker 1: tight end. Like I thought that you really needed to
Speaker 1: come away with a player at each one of those positions.
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up this and take some calls. What's
Speaker 1: your biggest gripe with my mock draft, Alex that I
Speaker 1: need your biggest gripe that Jake Moody's not going in
Speaker 1: the in the sixth ride, No, um, I it is
Speaker 1: that don't you don't don't change your stance. It is
Speaker 1: that honestly, so I think it's a Forsyth pick. They're
Speaker 1: so just the numbers, like, not even the depth in
Speaker 1: terms of talent. Okay, so let me explain it a
Speaker 1: little bit further because it's a fair gripe. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: Forsyth can play center. He's listed at six foot three,
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, it's a little bit thin to be
Speaker 1: a guard, but I think that he could play guard. Okay,
Speaker 1: and we're getting to that point now. I hate, I
Speaker 1: hate to do this, but like with Mike on Winny, like,
Speaker 1: are we paying Mike on winning or are we not
Speaker 1: paying Mike on winning? Like, yeah, I just what's the
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that, you've got to invest a
Speaker 1: little more than a guy who's because he's never played guard.
Speaker 1: I don't think Forsyth. I think he I think he
Speaker 1: played clearly on in his career. He played a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's like significant snap. It's at that point, go get
Speaker 1: go get a guard or like I just I either
Speaker 1: want positional versatility there or I just want raw sizes
Speaker 1: like Dalton Wagner. Right, that's kind of where met I'll
Speaker 1: tell you where we're both wrong though. Okay, So as
Speaker 1: I go through your draft here, you have big ten
Speaker 1: acc Big twelve, SEC, SEC, Big ten, sec, Pac twelve,
Speaker 1: Pac twelve sec. I'll tell you by for mine right now.
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert SEC Big twelve, AAC SEC, SEC Pac twelve,
Speaker 1: Big ten, SEC, Big twelve, Pac twelve. There's no Chattanooga.
Speaker 1: There there's no I forget where Sam Roberts went. Northwest
Speaker 1: northwest Missouri state. There's no South Dakota state. As much
Speaker 1: as I love the defending National Champion jack round, it
Speaker 1: doesn't And this is maybe wishful thinking on my part,
Speaker 1: and I guess on your part two for your future
Speaker 1: mock draft here, but this has got to be they
Speaker 1: have and I understand that Kyle Dugger is a good
Speaker 1: player and they got him from the D two level
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always work not work out. I get that,
Speaker 1: but it just feels like, especially in the first round
Speaker 1: at fourteen, is a premium pick. That's not that's not
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, right. I know they traded down, but so
Speaker 1: so so what I'm saying, let me give you last
Speaker 1: year FC. I don't know any that most of the
Speaker 1: conferences beyond uh FBS SO FCS Big twelve, AAC, Pac twelve, FCS,
Speaker 1: Sun Belt SEC D two SEC, Big ten that's painful.
Speaker 1: But let's go the year before SEC SEC Big twelve,
Speaker 1: Big twelve, Big ten, SEC PAC twelve and then AAC
Speaker 1: SO and that went in twenty twenty one, might be
Speaker 1: the best draft they've had in a decade. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: like we're kind of both projecting them. And now, look,
Speaker 1: you you know my thing I want. I want name
Speaker 1: brand players. I want guys that played at big schools,
Speaker 1: like I can go and watch Peter Scronsky against legitimate
Speaker 1: pass rushers in that conference, the Ohio State guys. I
Speaker 1: went and watched them against Aidan Hutchinson the year before this, right,
Speaker 1: like guys that are playing in the league at a
Speaker 1: high level, Like I don't need Chattanooga and there's another
Speaker 1: guy offensive lineman from Chattanooga in this draft, by the well,
Speaker 1: so let me bring this one a Cody Mok who
Speaker 1: I think you you really actually like more than me.
Speaker 1: I would have no where. This is the most surprising
Speaker 1: development on the DRAFTIC guys, this is this is the
Speaker 1: North Dakota State converted guard that is missing his two
Speaker 1: front teeth and that plays with the jersey rolled up
Speaker 1: in his gut out that Evan just loves. This is
Speaker 1: the player Evan is hated for yet in Vegas, horrible
Speaker 1: for you. You're drafting running backs, you like the North
Speaker 1: Dakota State guards. But my point close of out of
Speaker 1: his stance, he generates movement. He plays with nastiness, like
Speaker 1: this is like the type of like that's offensive. But
Speaker 1: here's my point, Cody Mock, you like neither, like you
Speaker 1: wouldn't be upset if they took him in the third round.
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd be upset in the first round
Speaker 1: because well, but here's my point, Like that's the Summit
Speaker 1: Conference where like there's smaller school players in this draft
Speaker 1: that we like, but this feels more like, you know,
Speaker 1: they've done this in the past, they've overcorrected, right, even
Speaker 1: when things work, they will overcorrect away from it. So
Speaker 1: how do you overcorrect from Chattanooga in South Dakota State,
Speaker 1: in Western Kentucky, in Northwest Missouri State. And it's nothing
Speaker 1: against the players, it's just it's a different approach. You
Speaker 1: go big sec big, big twelve when the big twelve
Speaker 1: is maybe as good as it's ever been this way,
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's on the way up. Let's another story. You know,
Speaker 1: you go, I didn't go big on the big ten
Speaker 1: you did, but like you go big into those big conferences.
Speaker 1: If I'm not a big, big ten guy, but if
Speaker 1: it's in the trenches, the big ten gets the trenches, correct,
Speaker 1: Big ten gets the trenches right, like the SEC. If
Speaker 1: you if you're gonna draft defensive players, skill players, corners,
Speaker 1: receivers like, I definitely go SEC all day, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to tackles and offensive linemen like those guys
Speaker 1: get that type of play and I love the mentality. Oh,
Speaker 1: the big ten is a line. We could do a
Speaker 1: whole show on which positions you draft from which conference,
Speaker 1: but we gotta take some calls. All right, We're gonna
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Speaker 1: right now, Patty and Aga on what's up Patty, Look guys, Heyton,
Speaker 1: First thing, First things first, great job last week. Thank you.
Speaker 1: We're in formative and entertaining. I loved it. Um So
Speaker 1: I want to kind of peeback off of Alex's situation
Speaker 1: where let's pretend that they they fixed the offensive line
Speaker 1: at least for this coming year. There's three guys I'm
Speaker 1: I would like to see them possibly take in the
Speaker 1: first round at wide receiver. And I just want to
Speaker 1: get sure, guys that you know, if you can do
Speaker 1: a quick sum because I know you probably get other
Speaker 1: calls moeting just the pros and cons of these three
Speaker 1: guys in this system and Bill O'Brien's system, Zay Flowers,
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, and Keishan Boutier. And I'll hang up and listen. Guys, thanks, Patty.
Speaker 1: All right, three guys that we both are pretty familiar with.
Speaker 1: So this is the second tier of the slot receivers
Speaker 1: after Jackson Smith and Jacob pretty much. So he said,
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, right, Yeah, Addison was in the Kee So
Speaker 1: you're throwing Josh downs and that's the second tier of
Speaker 1: slot receivers JS and I think is in his own tier.
Speaker 1: So Zay Flowers, electric player, electric with the football in
Speaker 1: his hands, can go vertical, right, can do all that
Speaker 1: he is from a movement standpoint, one of the more
Speaker 1: exciting players in the draft, like just an absolute jitterbug,
Speaker 1: explosive guy, rocked up all that. But five to nine
Speaker 1: one seventy, right, I think is what he's at right
Speaker 1: now and he I that part of it does have
Speaker 1: some hesitation for me because in this offense, in Bill
Speaker 1: O'Brien's offense, that guy's gonna be targeted one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty times, and is he going to be able to
Speaker 1: take the wear and tear of being targeted one hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty times in the slot in the NFL going
Speaker 1: over the middle, that type of stuff. I don't look
Speaker 1: at his body type and see, you know, when Edelman
Speaker 1: used to walk around here, Edelman was like a UFC fighter,
Speaker 1: Like that guy was rocked up right. And I stand
Speaker 1: next to Zay Flowers, I'm like, you know, he's a
Speaker 1: little bit slighter framed. And that's why I like Downs
Speaker 1: a little bit more for this mock was because I
Speaker 1: think he's a little bit stift. Flowers also won't be
Speaker 1: there at forty six, and that's part of it too.
Speaker 1: Um yeah to me, so just real quick with Flowers.
Speaker 1: The pros is obviously how well he moves. I mean,
Speaker 1: he just looks natural gliding around the field. He's explosive
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands. I would be really
Speaker 1: worried about his durability. Jordan Addison teams are gonna figure
Speaker 1: out very quick if you get in his face. He
Speaker 1: pressed him at the line. If you start kind of
Speaker 1: hitting him early in the game, you know, really make
Speaker 1: him feel it. He can fade a little bit, and
Speaker 1: that's not something you can have from that position at all.
Speaker 1: If anything, you get stronger the more you get hit.
Speaker 1: Julian nedelman Us talk about the more he took hits,
Speaker 1: the more fearless he get. I don't know if I
Speaker 1: said this to you on or off the air, if
Speaker 1: I said it on another show. Kashawn Boutet is the
Speaker 1: gem in this draft. Now there's the exact type of
Speaker 1: guy that they picked though and he and he's an
Speaker 1: absolute bust because he's such a projections though. He's one
Speaker 1: hundred ten percent project Actually he didn't play, but he
Speaker 1: played in twenty twenty one. He was excellent. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: like you're, I think you're. He was the consensus number
Speaker 1: one receiver in this class for almost a year for
Speaker 1: a reason. He's a great talent. I just think that
Speaker 1: you are. You're fully hoping that you can capture that
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season lightning in a bub. But don't
Speaker 1: they do this a lot? Remember they did this with Barmore.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they haven't done it. I'm just
Speaker 1: saying how much success have they really had doing it.
Speaker 1: Barmore was a guy who had a better you know,
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact year of class, but like
Speaker 1: two years before the draft, Barmore is better than his
Speaker 1: last year in college. Um who, I just did this
Speaker 1: the other day. Romandre was another. Ramandre was suspended, Yeah,
Speaker 1: most of his last year at Oklahoma. Right, you're swaying,
Speaker 1: and he came back and and um again, I wish
Speaker 1: I could remember the other names of these guys, but
Speaker 1: like they've done this before, Jack Jones, it's a you
Speaker 1: gotta go like all the way back, Like he was
Speaker 1: better as a freshman. Dissatified of the guy that Boote
Speaker 1: to me is like a ball of clay right, Like
Speaker 1: he's he's exactly what you want at a receiver. Like
Speaker 1: he's super talented, explosive, I can do all sorts of
Speaker 1: different things out on the field. Six foot two oh five.
Speaker 1: You can probably play him on the boundary a little
Speaker 1: bit if you really like you could. He's not just
Speaker 1: a spot receivers Flowers and George Best on film. He's
Speaker 1: a little bit Odell like, but when he's at his best,
Speaker 1: who's better than him in this draft? I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody is. And the other thing is like everybody wants, oh,
Speaker 1: just draft to number one receiver, Like just draft that
Speaker 1: guy's not there for them in this draft. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the fourteenth pick. That guy's not there. Quinn Johnson isn't
Speaker 1: going to be that guy in this offense. And Flowers
Speaker 1: and Addison have their limitations. They do they can be
Speaker 1: a guy, but they can't be the guy. The one
Speaker 1: guy in this draft I think can be the guy
Speaker 1: for them, not will be, but can be. But in
Speaker 1: the second round, it's like, it's not that first round risk.
Speaker 1: How's he Honestly, how's any different than Tai Kwon last year?
Speaker 1: Was Taekwon on massive swing. I'm not saying it's any different.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that in form my opinion because they
Speaker 1: took that swing on Tai Kwon, which is based almost
Speaker 1: basically a traits pick, right like fast guy, great, forty
Speaker 1: blazing speed. I just I gravitate towards the safer pick
Speaker 1: because I think that that is a guy that a
Speaker 1: reliable guy I think would do better in this style
Speaker 1: of offense than the high the high ceiling guy. And
Speaker 1: so I look at a guy like js N Jackson
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigbe from Ohio State, and I know for
Speaker 1: a fact watching him that all thirty two teams are
Speaker 1: going to be kicking themselves because they pass on him
Speaker 1: in the first round this year. But it's still really
Speaker 1: JSS not gonna be a first round pick. I don't
Speaker 1: think so. Really, I don't think so. Yeah. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you can get Jsen at forty six, I don't
Speaker 1: think six. I think he'll be a thirties pick. I
Speaker 1: think I think he'll be early second round unless he runs.
Speaker 1: If he runs, and he puts up a good number.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that I think are
Speaker 1: really concerned about his play speed, Like he's not a
Speaker 1: fast receiver. He doesn't pop off the film when watch
Speaker 1: him run, and I think that's gonna be a concern
Speaker 1: for a lot of teams. But I know for a
Speaker 1: fact that we're gonna come back to it in three
Speaker 1: years and jays End is gonna be like Michael Thomas
Speaker 1: in this draft right, and everybody we're gonna be like, well,
Speaker 1: what the heck, Like, why did you know it was
Speaker 1: a little better than Michael Thomas. And I mean Michael
Speaker 1: Thomas was awesome for for one year. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just I look at Boutet and it's like debt. Yes,
Speaker 1: it's a risky pick. That's also the pick outside of
Speaker 1: last year, And that's the pick they haven't made that
Speaker 1: we've kind of been waiting for them to make. They
Speaker 1: keep making these safe picks at wide receiver and they
Speaker 1: don't pa. I don't think Taekwon was a safe pick.
Speaker 1: That's the one exception, but like going back before that,
Speaker 1: it is just a lot of safe picks and and
Speaker 1: Boutet is the you're talking about the athlete, the guy
Speaker 1: who's rocked up, like the term you like to use, right,
Speaker 1: the guy that can can jump out of the gym
Speaker 1: and explode out of the gates. Bill O'Brien's going to
Speaker 1: figure it out with like this isn't this isn't the
Speaker 1: mat Patricia Offensive. I just don't. I don't know who
Speaker 1: he is consistently, Like I know what he could be.
Speaker 1: I know what his ceiling is, I know what his
Speaker 1: elite traits are, but what is he like, what is
Speaker 1: he consistently that he's going to develop into an eighty
Speaker 1: catch guy in the NFL, Like, what is well, what
Speaker 1: do we have to hang our hats on? Where his explosive?
Speaker 1: His explosiveness is route running? But he's never done it
Speaker 1: though he has done it. Well, what did he put
Speaker 1: up two years ago? It wasn't like anything crazy? So
Speaker 1: he's first of all, he's playing a horrible LC. Don't
Speaker 1: don't make the excuse I was playing at He in
Speaker 1: six games, so we can double these for a full
Speaker 1: season of production. Why was the only it was the
Speaker 1: only healthy for six games? Was this the COVID year?
Speaker 1: It was the I don't remember why he didn't play
Speaker 1: look it up, but like hypothetically, this is my point.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you why, I'll tell you what. No,
Speaker 1: but like I don't, no, not no, he he only
Speaker 1: played six games in the year where they played double
Speaker 1: digit games. He sat because of the drafts. I don't know,
Speaker 1: thirty eight catches for five hundred nine yards and nine
Speaker 1: touchdowns exactly. He in nine touchdowns in six games, even
Speaker 1: in the SEC. But that's college like that, that's not
Speaker 1: a SEC. All right, we're gonna go back and forth
Speaker 1: on this, all right, Sean and Vancouver, what's up? Sean,
Speaker 1: and I really liked your mock draft. I agree with
Speaker 1: it completely. It's correct, right, Sean. Well, the one thing
Speaker 1: I noticed is the three players that really stood out
Speaker 1: for me in the Shrine Bowl. Uh, you have two
Speaker 1: of them on this draft of guys from the West
Speaker 1: team that that I really liked. One guy who I
Speaker 1: also like, and I want to talk to you about
Speaker 1: this because of Bailey, is Michael Turk. Oh, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know you probably Alex. This guy, Michael Hunter. Michael Turk
Speaker 1: loves Alex, Barth loves Yeah. Well, Alex, how do you
Speaker 1: feel about him? He the ball explodes off his foot.
Speaker 1: He's very accurate, now, he was, He was incredible. He
Speaker 1: was m He kind of reminded me of like rookie
Speaker 1: Jake Bailey, where just when he punts the ball, everybody
Speaker 1: was watching. That's not normally how goes these events? Even
Speaker 1: Bill like when he punched at the ball. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: can ply He's going to be a punch in this
Speaker 1: league for a long time. Don't look at his Twitter though. Okay. Now,
Speaker 1: the other thing I want to talk about is free
Speaker 1: because that's going to change the way the Patriots look
Speaker 1: at the draft. And there isn't a lot of wide receiver.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say that Jacoby is the number
Speaker 1: one guy, But someone that I'm looking at really going
Speaker 1: under the radar is DJ Chark. I think he has
Speaker 1: the size and the speed as a deep thread. He
Speaker 1: didn't have as many opportunities with Detroit, but when he
Speaker 1: did he came through. He did get injured, which has
Speaker 1: been a problem with him, but he looked good after
Speaker 1: the injust so he's healthy. Now, what do you think
Speaker 1: of J Chark? Yeah, thanks Sean, thanks for the call.
Speaker 1: And h Yeah, Michael Turk, we both really were impressed
Speaker 1: by him. You mentioned Chark. I still feel like Chark
Speaker 1: is in that tier of receiver that they've had to
Speaker 1: come through here in the last couple of years, like
Speaker 1: Davante Parker, Kendrick Boorne, Nelson Aglor like right, like it.
Speaker 1: I don't mind Chark as like a member of your offense, right.
Speaker 1: I don't think he can't play. I just don't think
Speaker 1: he really changes the complexion of anything that you don't
Speaker 1: already have. Like I think he's just redundant in terms
Speaker 1: of skill set or not non terms of skill set,
Speaker 1: in terms of talent level to what you have. Like
Speaker 1: I think he might bring a little bit of a
Speaker 1: different downfield element than some of these other guys do.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just feel like from a
Speaker 1: skills a skill level standpoint, he's kind of the same,
Speaker 1: right Like, I don't think he's a number one. I
Speaker 1: think he's kind of a complimentary guy. They need somebody.
Speaker 1: Like the only receiver interested in paying is the guy
Speaker 1: who comes in is instantly on top of the depth chart,
Speaker 1: right right, DJ Chark is He's right there with Kendrick Bourne,
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker. By the way, Kay shan boutet in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one, before he got hurt against the SEC in
Speaker 1: three games before he got hurt, before he got hurt,
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt again. This year, he didn't
Speaker 1: get hurt. This year. He was done with that team.
Speaker 1: That team was a mess. How does that make it
Speaker 1: any better? I just just okay, Kay Shuil against the SEC,
Speaker 1: eighteen catches two hundred and eighty five yards three touchdowns
Speaker 1: in three games. Against two games against AP top twenty
Speaker 1: five teams in two games, fourteen catches two hundred yards
Speaker 1: in a touchdown. He's been talented. I don't I've never
Speaker 1: denied that he's incredibly talented, but just off of sheer reps,
Speaker 1: he's not a guy that has a lot of experience.
Speaker 1: Isn't this what we said about like DK though, And
Speaker 1: like yeah, it is what we said about DK duty
Speaker 1: And everybody's still so miserable that they didn't make that
Speaker 1: pick round. He was the number one receiver in the class.
Speaker 1: He ka fell to the second round, So okay for
Speaker 1: the receipts to prove that I had him. So here
Speaker 1: just for everybody I know you do. So here's here's
Speaker 1: your shot at redemption. Yeah, we'll get into it more
Speaker 1: down the road, but my shot at redemption is boote. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it might be. I think it might be.
Speaker 1: I reserve the right to change my mind after the
Speaker 1: combine if he wants something bad, but that I am
Speaker 1: standing on Jackson Smith and Jigba. I think that he's
Speaker 1: the guy in this draft that I look at that
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna overthink because they're gonna say, oh, he's not
Speaker 1: that fast, doesn't run that well. I don't think that that.
Speaker 1: I think that Jason is gonna end up being the
Speaker 1: best receiver out of this. I think you're creating a
Speaker 1: fas I think most people think he's the best receiver
Speaker 1: in this card. I think there's a lot of people
Speaker 1: though that don't see him as like that tier one receiver,
Speaker 1: like when you relative to other drafts. Right, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about that guy's not in the strafts. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he gets passed the first round.
Speaker 1: I really don't. Does he fall out of the top twenty, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could see it. I don't think he gets passed
Speaker 1: the first round. All right, last call here, Eldred, what's up? Hey? So,
Speaker 1: but I don't like your sentiment. Oho that slot receiver. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm with Paul, you can't win that much. And Quentin
Speaker 1: Johnson it's gonna be the steel of the draft. I
Speaker 1: know he's six five, he got speed. He's on the
Speaker 1: outside because you're gonna need the outside threat. You know,
Speaker 1: if anybody else they didn't side of stuff. It's not
Speaker 1: gonna got on outside. Just get a defense. And like
Speaker 1: you said, like you said earlier in the championship game,
Speaker 1: both catches one touchdown. Who do that? Well? I think
Speaker 1: the idea that I the reason why I come at
Speaker 1: it with the inside receivers and where I guess I
Speaker 1: differ with with Paul, who I've heard had this take,
Speaker 1: but I haven't really sat down and talked to him
Speaker 1: about it. I think where I differ is the quarterback, right,
Speaker 1: because if Mac Jones is your quarterback, and you're building
Speaker 1: your offense around Mac Jones at quarterback, then drafting the
Speaker 1: outside receiver that you have to throw bombs too down
Speaker 1: the field, Like, is that really the skill set that
Speaker 1: you want to draft a pair with Mac Jones Like
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson did Wilson, he did with Williams, he did
Speaker 1: with Yeah, he did it with great players in college,
Speaker 1: but this isn't college. But this isn't like but he
Speaker 1: didn't throw deep though, right, he threw deep at Alabam's
Speaker 1: still a hundred yards Evan. I just I personally think
Speaker 1: that for mac Jones, the middle of the field is
Speaker 1: where I think he's the most comfortable throwing the football
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I know what he did it in college,
Speaker 1: like I know what he did at Alabama, but I
Speaker 1: think that he did that in a much different environment.
Speaker 1: I think here in the NFL he's got to be
Speaker 1: that guy that dominates with the quick release, with the
Speaker 1: accuracy underneath, get the football and guy's hands and let
Speaker 1: him run with it. And I think that's the skill
Speaker 1: set that they have to target. I I look at
Speaker 1: the blueprint that they've had with Brady as a blueprint
Speaker 1: that they should be funny. But he's not. But he's
Speaker 1: not Josh Allen either, Like I just don't think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be thrown by but he's not Brady. You know,
Speaker 1: Brady committed doing that. But I'll with you with DKA
Speaker 1: because doing that draft and what they got Harry, I
Speaker 1: called him a buzz That's one I wanted with DK
Speaker 1: metcam and I was, don't wait before they throw a draft.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the guy. What should get about thought
Speaker 1: he was a one tickton if they know he's not,
Speaker 1: and he proved out he wasn't a one trick pony.
Speaker 1: So so Eldred, I would just asking before he let
Speaker 1: you go. So do you think Quentin Johnston is you
Speaker 1: have him in that same DK category in terms of
Speaker 1: everybody's got him wrong? Is that what what I'm hearing? Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: that's fair. Thanks for the call, Edward, we appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I think that that's an interesting conversation with Quinton Johnson.
Speaker 1: I think I'm so nikkil Harry PDSDD by this situation
Speaker 1: that I just don't know if I can draft another
Speaker 1: six foot four wide receiver early, right, Like, I just
Speaker 1: have so much anxiety over that because of their ability
Speaker 1: to get that guy to translate at the NFL level.
Speaker 1: He's not a route runner like you watch him. Even
Speaker 1: in his good games, he runs an under or a
Speaker 1: slant or something and he's smothered. Right, there's guys all
Speaker 1: over him in man coverage. He's not a great route
Speaker 1: runner underneath the defense. He gets better as he gets
Speaker 1: further down the field. A lot of his wins are
Speaker 1: on verticals, a lot of his wins are at the
Speaker 1: catch point. Like that type of guy. I just don't know.
Speaker 1: Is that what's best for this offensive Bill O'Brien, is
Speaker 1: that what's best for Mac Jones? Like I still come
Speaker 1: back to with Mac Jones that I think that he's
Speaker 1: the best at his best when the ball's coming out quickly,
Speaker 1: he's attacking within twenty yards and he's getting the football
Speaker 1: out over the middle of the field. And that's why
Speaker 1: I've gravitated towards the inside guys, right, because I think
Speaker 1: you have to if you have a dominate, dominant slot receiver.
Speaker 1: I think that you can still win like that. And
Speaker 1: I think people hear that and they think checkdowns, and
Speaker 1: that's maybe it's what you mean. Like when I look
Speaker 1: at it, I agree at the middle of the field thing.
Speaker 1: But Max said is best in the intermediate yea that
Speaker 1: eight to fifteen yard range. So who are the like
Speaker 1: Johnson is not an intermediate receiver down The best intermediate
Speaker 1: receivers in this draft are in Jigba, Josh Downs, and
Speaker 1: Sea Boute. Yeah, so those are the three guys. And
Speaker 1: like Zay Flywer, I don't even know Zay Flywer's an
Speaker 1: intermediate receiver. He might just be a pure slot. Yeah
Speaker 1: he might. He might be like a quick hitter or
Speaker 1: a deep guy like he might be like you know,
Speaker 1: in that that those types of those two zones, like
Speaker 1: I think you take the intermediate the field, those those
Speaker 1: are the three guys I look at if like, if
Speaker 1: they want to truly maximize Mac Jones, who are the
Speaker 1: three best receivers for Mac Jones in this class in
Speaker 1: no particular order, in Jigba, Downs, Boute. I also just
Speaker 1: look at you know, he mentioned the teams recently, the
Speaker 1: teams that are still alive, like a team like Kansas City.
Speaker 1: And look, I know, Patrick Mahomes is totally is a cyborg.
Speaker 1: He's his own thing. I totally understand that. But still,
Speaker 1: their passing game is built around a tight end. It's
Speaker 1: built around Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey is not a vertical
Speaker 1: threat in an offense, right like they they don't have
Speaker 1: great outside receivers. They have good outside receivers, you know,
Speaker 1: MVS and those guys are solid outside receivers. But they
Speaker 1: are winning in the passing game with Travis Kelsey over
Speaker 1: the middle, with Travis Kelsey at the short and intermediate levels,
Speaker 1: and obviously with Mahomes's magic. So I still think that
Speaker 1: there's a place for an offense to be built inside
Speaker 1: out like that. I don't think it's totally impossible to
Speaker 1: build it that way. I just don't want Mac Jones
Speaker 1: throwing bombs. They tried that this year with him he
Speaker 1: was a turnover machine. It just wasn't It's just not
Speaker 1: what's what he's built for. It's just not. So they
Speaker 1: got to get back to playing to his strength. And
Speaker 1: I just don't think that a downfield receiver plays to
Speaker 1: that strength. All Right, we didn't we didn't get to
Speaker 1: everything we wanted to get to today because Alex has
Speaker 1: got to go host over at ninety eight five tonight, right,
Speaker 1: six to six to ten, ninety eight five Sports. So
Speaker 1: we'll do some football talk. We're probably gonna be heavy basketball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: big trade hire. NBA traded all of their second round
Speaker 1: picks today. It was fascinating. Well, well we'll get more
Speaker 1: into a Senior Bowl. We we can do some senior
Speaker 1: like ten minutes, all right, we got ten minutes, ten
Speaker 1: minute all right? Uh, we want to do Senior Bowls
Speaker 1: standouts like who are a couple of guys who mentioned brands?
Speaker 1: We mentioned some guys already that we're Senior Bowl guys
Speaker 1: that Alabama kids were at the Senior Bowls? Stein and
Speaker 1: a lot too. Who else stood out to you in mobile?
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta mention my guy to Wan Jones
Speaker 1: again because he's just so good and he was one
Speaker 1: day a practice, practice, one and done. He's solely real.
Speaker 1: I'll give you another tight end. I really like for them.
Speaker 1: Payne Durham from Purdue. Yeah, I had a good week.
Speaker 1: So first, hang on, I think I got a sneeze. No,
Speaker 1: I'm good, all right, Paynt Durham. First off, pro didn't
Speaker 1: play high school football till the senior year. What sport
Speaker 1: did he play? Instead? Lacrosse? Lacrosse player only for he
Speaker 1: played like Pop Warner football. But three years of lacrosse
Speaker 1: Scott and football senior year still got did not walk
Speaker 1: on still in that one year, got a scholarship offer
Speaker 1: to Purdue. Has been developing his game kid a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. Well, no, what about he was here
Speaker 1: for like a minute. What about who was the guy
Speaker 1: last year that the falcons Um Bernhard? Jared Bernhard? Who
Speaker 1: was that he won the lacrosse highsman and then he
Speaker 1: went played D two quarterback and won a Natty Um. No,
Speaker 1: so pan Durham was. It was a high school acrosse
Speaker 1: player switches to football, gets the scholarship to Purdue. Really
Speaker 1: great size six five, two fifty eight and that's the seat,
Speaker 1: that's the real number, that's the senior number. Um excellent blocker,
Speaker 1: plays with a great motor. But he really came along
Speaker 1: as a receiver this year. He made some great catches
Speaker 1: in that that Big Ten championship game against Michigan. He's
Speaker 1: expected to go way later than I thought, Like I'm
Speaker 1: thinking He's probably like a fifth sixth round guy should
Speaker 1: like sneak into the top one fifty, not gonna be
Speaker 1: outside the top two hundred. A lot of places have
Speaker 1: him sixth round, seventh round undrafted. Even so, maybe I'm
Speaker 1: missing something. I don't know how much you watched of him,
Speaker 1: but you talk about a project player. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much he helps you in twenty twenty three. But
Speaker 1: you take him in the sixth round. They got what
Speaker 1: four five sixth round picks, You take him in the
Speaker 1: sixth round. You just kind of let him work for
Speaker 1: a year behind the scenes. I think his upside is tremendous. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a great inline blocker two, which I think if
Speaker 1: you start to look at what they want at that position,
Speaker 1: I think they would ideally like to get back to
Speaker 1: that a little bit more of somebody that can really
Speaker 1: be an extra tackle, so to speak for you, in
Speaker 1: the run game. I don't know if Johnny Smith and
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry have blocked as well as they were hoping
Speaker 1: they were going to block for them at that position,
Speaker 1: So I think that would be something that they would
Speaker 1: really like. You mentioned Dwan Jones just dropped the mic
Speaker 1: first day. I'd senior practices didn't come back, kind of
Speaker 1: like a Zay Flowers. Can I give you my weird
Speaker 1: comp for Duwan Jones. I don't know if I've done
Speaker 1: it on the show. My comfort Duwan Jones in terms
Speaker 1: like as a draft prospect is Tyrek Wolin. He's just
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna what Tariq there was a
Speaker 1: totally different position. Well no, not even the same side
Speaker 1: of the ball. So let me explain. Tariq wool In
Speaker 1: six four two fifteen ran a fourth three like low
Speaker 1: four three forty, and he still went in the fourth round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I think people sort of looked at him in thought,
Speaker 1: it's too good to be true. There's no way he's
Speaker 1: this big, in this athletic and it's gonna play at
Speaker 1: this skill level. And they were just they were almost
Speaker 1: scared off by, like how perfect of a prospect he was.
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be teams. This is why Duan
Speaker 1: Jones initially was projected as a third round pick. I
Speaker 1: think people looked at him and said, he's sixty eight
Speaker 1: three seventy, is an iron man, like doesn't get hurt,
Speaker 1: Like there's got to be some catch, and he comes
Speaker 1: out and he shows the footwork and everything. I think
Speaker 1: there's gonna be team is that just assume there's some
Speaker 1: catch with Dwan Jones and are turned off by him?
Speaker 1: Now does that comp make sense? Like a little bit?
Speaker 1: So with Dwan Jones, I think, what's what could you tell? You?
Speaker 1: Tell me why Tariq will And went in the fourth
Speaker 1: round last year. I know he wasn't super experienced, but
Speaker 1: the fourth round six three four two four three two four,
Speaker 1: I'm not because I was right about this is your
Speaker 1: dk Metcalf? Yeah, okay, So so that's my comfort Dwan Jones.
Speaker 1: So Dwan Jones, I think what stands out about him
Speaker 1: is so his foot speed isn't isn't great, right, because
Speaker 1: its a bigger guy. So his ability to you know,
Speaker 1: pick up his fee, move his fee, change directions, that
Speaker 1: type of stuff is a concern on his projection. But
Speaker 1: he's so long, and it's not just about being big, right,
Speaker 1: it's the lank ninety in wingspans a record. It's like
Speaker 1: an adult grown crane, like a bird. He's so long
Speaker 1: that he can be he can get you know, he
Speaker 1: can be in the wrong spot, right, he can he
Speaker 1: can be in the wrong spot and still be able
Speaker 1: to punch out with his hand and w and kind
Speaker 1: of buy himself some time to change directions. Right, So
Speaker 1: he's somebody that is a little bit different. I agree.
Speaker 1: I really liked Darnell right from Tennessee also, like he's
Speaker 1: like sort of in this big right tackle tier for
Speaker 1: me as well for the Patriots and early day towo,
Speaker 1: maybe they trade back or trade up in second round whatever.
Speaker 1: What I love so much about Darnell Wright is that
Speaker 1: he was nails against top competition like Will Anderson against Georgia,
Speaker 1: against Clemson last year and then in the in the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in Mobile. He every single time he went
Speaker 1: up against like NFL caliber players, he was excellent. I
Speaker 1: think he was probably the best tackle against Will Anderson
Speaker 1: that Will Anderson maybe ever faced in college. Like he
Speaker 1: totally shut down Will Anderson in that Tennessee Alabama game
Speaker 1: last year. And that's maybe the number one overall pick
Speaker 1: in the draft, right, So that was really impressive about him.
Speaker 1: I think we should mention two other guys. Tyreek Stevenson
Speaker 1: right from Miami. He had a really good week down there.
Speaker 1: His ability to just basically run the route for the receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's extremely smooth, really good. He had one rep in
Speaker 1: one on ones. I don't think I've ever seen this.
Speaker 1: The quarterback didn't even throw the ball because the receiver
Speaker 1: ran a crosser and Stevenson ran a better crosser to
Speaker 1: the point where if the quarterback threw it, he would
Speaker 1: have just been throwing it to Stevenson as the intended target.
Speaker 1: So the quarterback just ate it because the poor quarterback
Speaker 1: doesn't want to put an interception on film, so he
Speaker 1: just eats it. That is very very rare in one
Speaker 1: on ones because does always favor the receiver. Obviously, there's
Speaker 1: so much space it's it's really difficult to defend a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys. And he was just excellent all
Speaker 1: week long, and one on ones the last name I'll
Speaker 1: give you. We gotta talk a little bit about Tank Dell.
Speaker 1: I think Tank Dell had a good week. He is
Speaker 1: going to be a terrified pick for some teams because
Speaker 1: of his size. He's one hundred and sixty five pounds
Speaker 1: and in the NFL that's just too small, Like it
Speaker 1: just is too small. And I think the one thing
Speaker 1: that we talk about a lot in the draft is, oh,
Speaker 1: well he'll get into an NFL strength program, and he'll
Speaker 1: just gain twenty pounds overnight. Like this is a guy
Speaker 1: that's five eight one sixty five. Like maybe he can
Speaker 1: gain some weight in the margins, but he's not. He
Speaker 1: doesn't have a frame that's built to carry more. You
Speaker 1: worry if he puts too much weight on is it
Speaker 1: could impact his speed. Right, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: the league keeps making less and less legal to hit
Speaker 1: these guys, So you know guys like that are going
Speaker 1: to be more and more able to play in the league.
Speaker 1: I'll give you two more quick ones as well. On defense,
Speaker 1: Christopher Smith, the safety from Georgia, a true free safety,
Speaker 1: which there aren't a lot of. I thought he had
Speaker 1: a really good week, potential Devin mccordy replacement. And I
Speaker 1: gotta go Bryce Barringer from Michigan State, the hunter. He
Speaker 1: was excellent. I think he had like hang on I
Speaker 1: had to go at the punch average four point five
Speaker 1: second hanging time, Like he said, they're gonna take kicker
Speaker 1: at punter Baronsrew is really good. He's kicked in bad
Speaker 1: weather up in Lancing like he's going to be on
Speaker 1: their board. This offensive line group in Mobile was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I was raving about it all week. They were excellent
Speaker 1: on both teams. A National and American had great offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Some other guys that really stood out. Jalen Duncan from
Speaker 1: Maryland is really raw. I think there's some issues with
Speaker 1: his pass sets, but he's super athletic. He's not gonna
Speaker 1: have any issues getting out to landmarks or cutting off
Speaker 1: the corner. He's just got to work on his technique
Speaker 1: and in his footwork and his pass sets, and he's
Speaker 1: going to be an NFL player. He's got really really
Speaker 1: solid foundational just athleticism in play straight like he's just
Speaker 1: got those two boxes checked, which I think for offensive
Speaker 1: lineman that's certainly the number one thing he got a
Speaker 1: check right, is having those two things. I know that
Speaker 1: there is some love from for Bergeron from Syracuse. I'm
Speaker 1: not as in love with him for the Patriots because
Speaker 1: I think he might be a guard, but he's somebody
Speaker 1: that can that can play at the next level, Like
Speaker 1: he's going to be an NFL offensive lineman somewhere. He's
Speaker 1: got that type of ability. The one clip that's going
Speaker 1: around about him that he's throwing a guy into the
Speaker 1: quarterback and holding at the same time but that's not
Speaker 1: let's not pump that up anymore. That was not a
Speaker 1: good rep. But I think he had some good reps.
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an NFL player. Um. Lastly,
Speaker 1: who's the last guy I was thinking about? Um, It'll
Speaker 1: come to me in a second, but I'll read Michael Wilson. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson had a really good week. And I'm still
Speaker 1: worried about the injuries with him. He could never stay healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's somebody the Patriots take on, you know, in like
Speaker 1: the fourth round, and they bet on the injuries. You
Speaker 1: talk about Boutet like that's their guy, right, is a
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson type. I think that that's possible. Um as well,
Speaker 1: in terms of a wide receiver. There's one more tackle
Speaker 1: and I'm blanking on it, but I'll look it up
Speaker 1: really quickly. Is there anybody that that was a dud
Speaker 1: to you? Yeah? I mean it's Andre Carter from Army right, Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all this type about this guy coming in. He had
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half sacks in twenty twenty one and
Speaker 1: had a bit of a down year this year and
Speaker 1: then just really I mean he got owned by Dawan
Speaker 1: Jones like it was bad. Um, I'm gonna get you.
Speaker 1: We're talking about maybe the first top fifty pick from
Speaker 1: a service academy in the modern era. It's gonna be
Speaker 1: kind of fringe. Now, we'll see what he does with
Speaker 1: the combine, and I think he will have a very
Speaker 1: good combine. But yeah, he didn't help himself. So the
Speaker 1: one excuse that people were making for him that I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how accurate this is by sad
Speaker 1: floating around a little bit. Army has some like pretty
Speaker 1: strict height and weight maybe maybe Marine and mackin speed
Speaker 1: to this, Army's got some pretty strict height and weight
Speaker 1: like thing like thresholds. Yeah, and you can't. So he's
Speaker 1: six foot five. So at six foot five, if he
Speaker 1: was like six five three hundred pounds, the Army would say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's overweight, like like that's well, that's why that's why
Speaker 1: they run the speed option because they can't be bigger
Speaker 1: than the other teams. They just happen, right, So he
Speaker 1: had to be at a certain weight. So he was
Speaker 1: only six five, two sixty five, So he's very high
Speaker 1: cut and he's not it doesn't have a lot of
Speaker 1: sand in the pants, right, So and mobile. I don't
Speaker 1: want Jones was just throwing him out the club, Rob
Speaker 1: Gronkowski style. And I think maybe in the NFL he'll
Speaker 1: be able to pack on the guy that I forgot
Speaker 1: in the pros, Cody Mock. I mean, talke about him,
Speaker 1: That's why I forgot about him. Just excellent. I mean,
Speaker 1: what a tape, what a guy. I love him, This
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I hate happen that he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: I hate that he's gonna have to play guard in
Speaker 1: the NFL because if he was a true tackle, I
Speaker 1: would be one hundred. And we have spent so much
Speaker 1: time with you just complaining about why are you considering
Speaker 1: drafting a guard? Why are you considering drafting an FCS player? Oh,
Speaker 1: you only like him because his teeth they're missing. You
Speaker 1: only like him because of his hair. We so often
Speaker 1: we did this, and now you're just like all in
Speaker 1: on like the most of me prospect of all time,
Speaker 1: like all of like the offensive line cliches that we
Speaker 1: used to talk about, right like that that is Cody.
Speaker 1: That's him. Who is the center from Wisconsin Whitewater couple
Speaker 1: years ago, you remember mirrors or something like that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, you hated that guy. They come to the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, they played at this low level of competition
Speaker 1: at North Dakota State, and he just wants to put
Speaker 1: on a show, right, Like he just he knows that
Speaker 1: he's got to take a big leap up in competition.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like cold Strange last year, and he
Speaker 1: just put on an absolute show. Cody Mock loved it.
Speaker 1: The one tackle that I thought was really disappointing was
Speaker 1: the BYU kid Blake Freeland. Yeah, he had a really
Speaker 1: rough week. He's six foot six and like not in
Speaker 1: a good way. Like his all he carries all of
Speaker 1: his weight above his waist and he just like bends
Speaker 1: at the waist to block people, right, and so he's
Speaker 1: got no flexibility in his lower half. His knees and
Speaker 1: his hips are there's zero flexibility there. So he was
Speaker 1: just getting rag dulled all week. Log it was a
Speaker 1: really really bad week, like to the point where I
Speaker 1: think that he's out of the top one hundred completely.
Speaker 1: Like I think you have to wait to day three
Speaker 1: to pick this guy because against the NFL competition and mobile,
Speaker 1: it was really really rough. The last name I will
Speaker 1: mention here, I'm not going to mention a running back
Speaker 1: because then I'll just break Tyreek Spears. Uh No was
Speaker 1: good spirits, one of the best players there. I don't care.
Speaker 1: Uh Ivan Pace from Cincinnati, the linebacker. I thought he
Speaker 1: was really good as well. He's a little bit under size.
Speaker 1: He's like kind of a Landing Roberts right, Like he's
Speaker 1: like six one, two hundred and thirty pounds. I think
Speaker 1: Roberts was like six sixty one two thirty five coming out,
Speaker 1: So they're very very similar type of players. Really explosive
Speaker 1: downhill player, like just he absolutely wrecked. I think it
Speaker 1: was um the guy that everybody the interior offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: everybody's been raven about that might be a first round pick.
Speaker 1: I got it right here. He just took him on
Speaker 1: in the whole uh Osiris Torn Florida and he hit
Speaker 1: It was like kind of like a butt fumble situation
Speaker 1: where he hit Torn so hard that torn tackle the
Speaker 1: running back for him, Like that was like how much
Speaker 1: of an impact he made. Was really really good in
Speaker 1: blitz drills in practice as well. He's somebody that really
Speaker 1: stood out to me. But yeah, Blake Freeland would be
Speaker 1: on my downs list, and from this week in mobile,
Speaker 1: really watching a lot of the tackles I know we
Speaker 1: didn't get today. We got to our senior bull stand.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about Adrian clemm and the coaching staff.
Speaker 1: Next week, hopefully it will be officially announced that he's
Speaker 1: actually coming to the Patriots. Right now, just reported that
Speaker 1: he's coming to the Patriots, So hopefully by next week
Speaker 1: we'll have an official announcement on that. Make sure to
Speaker 1: listen to Alex on the Sports Up tonight from six
Speaker 1: to ten, and we'll be back next week on Thursday,
Speaker 1: same time, same place for another draft edition, probably very
Speaker 1: draft heavy, maybe some free agency of Catch twenty two.
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