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Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barr Lazar, Well, everybody nailed it, joined

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Speaker 1: us always buy ours, Bar David match. Here is Evan

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Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barks. All right, I know you don't

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Speaker 1: want to do this, but I'm gonna bring it up.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those concepts you're talking about. We're geared

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Speaker 1: around the running back like Jamir Gibbs led the team

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Speaker 1: and catch us. He led the team and carries. Why

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Speaker 1: are we doing this? Why every draft ever? You know

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Speaker 1: why your microphone? You know why every draft season you

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Speaker 1: have to come at me with the running back, the

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Speaker 1: the punter, the the guard and do they not usually

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Speaker 1: end up making those moves? Yeah, but we're not here

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Speaker 1: he doesn't. It doesn't mean that we should delight or

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Speaker 1: we should applaud it. I'm not Robinson in the first round. Great, awesome,

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Speaker 1: but here's what you mistake. I am not applauding it.

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Speaker 1: But nobody cares what we would do because we're not

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Speaker 1: the ones making the decisions. They want us to tell

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Speaker 1: them what we think, in our expert opinion, the team

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Speaker 1: is going to do. It would be malpractice not to

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Speaker 1: address it whether the move is right or wrong. Alex

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Speaker 1: Barth back in studio, back from Vegas. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to get into too many wild Vegas stories, but a

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Speaker 1: couple of little tidbits about the lux Or, which was

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Speaker 1: multiple times because I was drunk, just because the elevator

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Speaker 1: is Evan just can't handle an elevator. Not that elevator.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of cool. Diabo Cantina, fantastic Mexican. I

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Speaker 1: usually don't love Mexican food. That was really good, the

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Speaker 1: great Mexican restaurant inside the lovely lux Or. But I've

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Speaker 1: had some some moments where I've woken up since we've

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Speaker 1: been back. I told you this that I thought I

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Speaker 1: I'm not in this hotel in Vegas anymore. I know

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Speaker 1: that was your first time in Vegas. I hope you

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Speaker 1: enjoyed yourself. But now that I've been to Vegas three

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Speaker 1: Vegas out. I have no need for Vegas anymore. I've

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Speaker 1: been there, I've done it. It smells it's hot, or

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Speaker 1: this time it was it was not hot, this time

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Speaker 1: supposed to be hot. Like, I'm just out on Vegas

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Speaker 1: and I love Vegas, but I'm out back, like that

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Speaker 1: sign says when you're leaving, come back soon. That's the

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Speaker 1: worst part. I think that's the worst part is that

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Speaker 1: I will be back in Vegas next fall. I know.

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Speaker 1: This sounds like a first world problem. It tour Evan.

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Speaker 1: It totally more. Evan has to go to Las Vegas

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Speaker 1: and watch football. Oh no, it's how It's one of

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Speaker 1: those places that you go with your buddies. You go,

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Speaker 1: you know, and have a good time for two or

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Speaker 1: three days, but when you have to go over and

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Speaker 1: not even just like that. We're popping in and leaving, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've been there for five six days straight. There.

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Speaker 1: There's definitely a such thing as too much Vegas, and

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Speaker 1: that's our Vegas minute. We want to start the show.

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Speaker 1: I published my first mock draft today, as I know

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Speaker 1: you have one coming shortly on the Sports Up, but

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Speaker 1: I want to go through some of the picks that

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Speaker 1: I made in the mock draft and explain some of

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Speaker 1: these things. Then we're gonna do some Senior Bowl stuff

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Speaker 1: that will segue us into some Senior Bowl stuff because

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Speaker 1: so we'll get an opportunity to talk about some of

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Speaker 1: the standouts and we'll see take some calls and see

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Speaker 1: where that takes us. Eight five five patch five hundred

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Speaker 1: is the phone number you can email at web radio

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Speaker 1: at Patriots dot com as well. Let's get into the

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Speaker 1: taking another guard. I pray that they're not taking Bijean

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Speaker 1: And some people actually like the positions you named. I

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Speaker 1: don't think anybody's really talking about that. The tight end

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Speaker 1: been they're not horizontal enough, right, Like, if you stack

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Speaker 1: away everything. I think Michael Mayer is a really good player,

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Speaker 1: Why I mean you're lining him up in line? Everything

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Speaker 1: no more. You don't prevent teams from stacking the box.

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Speaker 1: You don't prevent teams from you know, taking players outside

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Speaker 1: the numbers, right, So I just if you're gonna use

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Speaker 1: it for a guy like Tee Higgins right or at

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Speaker 1: it just it doesn't make sense. I'm not saying tight

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Speaker 1: gone need based a little bit here. Well, so my

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Speaker 1: what you do. Okay, Well, what does that mean? What

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Speaker 1: Like you know, we're gonna get twenty twenty five picks

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Speaker 1: A running back Jimir Gibbs is a top thirty talented

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Speaker 1: Porter Junior. But then you have some political things with

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Speaker 1: own time, I'm not necessarily sure that Bill's gonna draft

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Speaker 1: is his slot receiver, his Welker, his Edelman, his get

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Speaker 1: open in his foam booth, catch the football, add five

429
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 1: six yards to it after the catch when he's got

430
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Speaker 1: some breathing room, and keep him to chains moving. That's

431
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Speaker 1: that's who Josh Downs is. And I'll say they have

432
00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 1: to hit on that skill set in this draft. Josh

433
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,720
Speaker 1: Downs from everything and I haven't talked him personally, but

434
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Speaker 1: from everything I understand about him. So day of Drake

435
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: may come in last year unc Drake may I believe

436
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: he was a true freshman or was he a redshirt freshman?

437
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,919
Speaker 1: Either way first year as a starter. I mean, he's

438
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: a high ranked recruister richer freshman and like he tore

439
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 1: it up and Josh Downs was that guy that kind

440
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: of you have this young, inexperienced quarterback that he felt

441
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: he could go to. Now Mac Jones is gonna be

442
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,800
Speaker 1: more experienced than Josh Downs. The roles kind of flipped there.

443
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: But this is a guy who kind of knows how

444
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: to carry a quarterback along. Yeah, and that's certainly something

445
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,000
Speaker 1: to Patriots. Yeah. I talked about, you know, potentially replacing

446
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers. That's something Jacoby Myers is excellent with kind

447
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 1: of just helping Mac Jones along. There's a guy that

448
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,840
Speaker 1: third down, he's gonna be your first read all the

449
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Speaker 1: time and he's going to deliver more often than not. Yeah.

450
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 1: So Dante Skarneck has been on various shows and stuff

451
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 1: like that, and he's talked about needing to get mac

452
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 1: Jones his binkie, Like, who's this guy when he's third

453
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Speaker 1: and five and he needs a first down? Who can

454
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Speaker 1: he immediately look to. I think Jacobe Myers has has

455
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: tried and at times elevated to that status, but I

456
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 1: think they need somebody that's a little bit more dynamic

457
00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 1: and more consistent in that role. And I think Downs

458
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 1: can do that. And I just think that in general,

459
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: whether it's Downs, whether it's Flowers, whether it's Jackson, Smith

460
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,920
Speaker 1: and Jim there's so many options of that skill set

461
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 1: in this draft that it seems inexcusable to me to

462
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 1: not come away with one. They have to draft one

463
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,399
Speaker 1: of those guys. It does, but we've also done this before.

464
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 1: We did it at linebacker last year. We did a

465
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Speaker 1: wide receiver yere. But just because they don't do it

466
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that it's the right I know, I know,

467
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: I just and look, I think they're again, They're three

468
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: biggest needs are so far, in a way, the three

469
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 1: best positions in the traft. And maybe you could argue

470
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 1: their fourth biggest need is tight end and that's another

471
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: excellent position in this draft. Yeah, Like I'm trying to

472
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Speaker 1: temperate my expectations because they never attack these strong classes.

473
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Speaker 1: But I'm almost kind of agreeing with you in different way.

474
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,159
Speaker 1: Those other years, it's not like they went out and

475
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 1: took players they didn't need, right, But it's so it's

476
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: gonna be so hard for them this year to not

477
00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 1: pick from the strongest positions, just given the way the

478
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 1: board sets up in everything. And I last year and

479
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: I we're gonna get to talk to him again, and

480
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to having his answer about this again.

481
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: Last year Macro talked about having to attack the receiver

482
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Speaker 1: position a little bit differently, and now it's a position

483
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: of great premium value that you need to go out

484
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 1: and get these guys. You can't just sit back and

485
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: hang out and wait for somebody in the seventh round

486
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: to turn into Julian Edelman anymore. So I look at it,

487
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: and I say, with receiver, especially because it's so much

488
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,679
Speaker 1: cheaper to find them in the draft than it is

489
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 1: to go out in free agency or out in the

490
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Speaker 1: veteran trade market. In the choir one like, let's say

491
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,720
Speaker 1: they go out and they I don't think he's getting moved,

492
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: but if they trade for T Higgins, now you're gonna

493
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Speaker 1: have to give T Higgins a five year, one hundred

494
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: and twenty five million dollar contract salary cap, and he

495
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: traded a first round pick for him, right, in all

496
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,919
Speaker 1: these different things, So the best and easiest way, well,

497
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,520
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say the easiest, the best way in terms

498
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 1: of a cost and just in terms of a value.

499
00:24:58,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: I guess the best way to put it. It's a

500
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 1: draft these guys, and my inclination is then to take

501
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 1: that and say, well, then you should keep taking stabs

502
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: until you find it right. Like they took Tae Quad

503
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,959
Speaker 1: in the second round last year. If they take one

504
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 1: of that group that we've been mentioning a bunch here

505
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: today in the first or second round this year, like

506
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,719
Speaker 1: this is what, you should keep taking stabs at it

507
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: and bites at the apple until you get it right.

508
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 1: They can also, they can do both too, right. They

509
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 1: can use a second round pick on a guy like

510
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: Josh Downs and then double up with Tamario Douglas later

511
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: in the draft. And I'll say this too, Bill O'Brien's offense.

512
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 1: At times they could run two slot receivers. Yeah, I

513
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,680
Speaker 1: mean Edelman and Amndola did it right, Welker and sort

514
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:43,760
Speaker 1: of Edelman even at Alabama that would kind of get

515
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 1: weird with it with Mechi and Slave Bolden. Yeah, so

516
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: I'm not a post of doubling up at the position either. Yeah,

517
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: I just think you need to keep taking swings there

518
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: because these wide receivers in the draft. Every draft class,

519
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: I know the Patriots haven't had the best luck, but

520
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: every draft class, it seems like there's a half a

521
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: dozen guys that come out that end up being starters

522
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,560
Speaker 1: and maybe even stars even in later rounds. Like it

523
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily need to be a first round pick. There's

524
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: guys in the day two that have been coming out

525
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: for years now that ended up being hit. So the

526
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Speaker 1: round out the top one hundred, I took Julius Brents

527
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: with my third round pick here at a Kansas State.

528
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: Both of us have talked a little bit about him.

529
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if we've talked about I've talked about

530
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:32,320
Speaker 1: on air together, but Julius Brents is the day two

531
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Speaker 1: long athletic outside corner right six foot three, two hundred pounds.

532
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 1: I thought what really stood out at the Senior Bowl

533
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: in one on one drills and the film that I

534
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: saw from practices was his ability to flip his hips

535
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,679
Speaker 1: and get out and run right, And that's not something

536
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,919
Speaker 1: that a lot of guys at that size can do.

537
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,639
Speaker 1: Can you transition your hips? Can you get out and

538
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 1: get off a press coverage and then flip and run

539
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: with a guy like That's not easy to do at

540
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: six foot three. He's not leggy, He's not He doesn't

541
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 1: stall out of his transitions. He's really quick and smooth

542
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: out of the transitions. And I think when you look

543
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: at learning from past mistakes with that skill set, like

544
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: a Juan Williams, Juan Williams ran in the four sixes,

545
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 1: Juan Williams couldn't transition, flip and run right like that

546
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: was the biggest issue that he has. I think that

547
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 1: a guy like Brands, at least at least from what

548
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: I've seen, can do that a little bit more consistently.

549
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 1: He was also in a system at Kansas State where

550
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,920
Speaker 1: he was just asked to be on an island, like, yeah,

551
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: most of the game, you got this guy right man

552
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: coverage on an island. So he went up against Quinton

553
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 1: Johnston at TCU twice. It was a back and forth battle,

554
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: I think in the big the regular season. Yet I

555
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: can't remember which one it was one of them. Quinton

556
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: Johnson put up some numbers against Quintin Johnston. So he

557
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: had in the Big Twelve championship game, he had four

558
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: for one fifty six. Yeah, but he had like an

559
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: eighty yard catch seventy eighty yard like catch and run

560
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 1: that was just on a I think it was on

561
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 1: zone because it was like at the end of the half. Yeah,

562
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: that might have not been Brenton coverage on that one.

563
00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: So he got bee. He got called for a couple

564
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: of DPIs in that game, but does get he does

565
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,200
Speaker 1: get a little handy. That's my one. Yeah, I think

566
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,480
Speaker 1: that he'll need to refine that. I think he needs

567
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 1: to refine being able to track the football in the

568
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: air a little bit better. I think that's what happens

569
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,440
Speaker 1: is that he loses the ball a little bit and

570
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: then the receiver stop to go up and elevate for

571
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: the football and he's on top of him right and

572
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: then against the flags. So I think that there's going

573
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: to be some elements of his game that need to

574
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: be seasoned, that need to be worked out. But if

575
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 1: there's one thing that I think I'm confident in them

576
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: being able to do, is to coach up those elements

577
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: of cornerbacks, right, like the details. Yeah, I think when

578
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: they've missed in the past, it's they've missed on the athlete, right,

579
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: they've missed on the actual movement skill of the player,

580
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: not necessarily that they can't coach him up. And this

581
00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: goes back to like what we were doing last year

582
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: with Tarique Woolen. And I don't think he's Tarique Woolen,

583
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,320
Speaker 1: but he's six three two o two. He can move.

584
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: Just get him in the building and you'll figure it

585
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: out after that because you do have a good, great

586
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: coaching staff on the defensive side of the ball and

587
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: whether it's tim and a good track record developing that position, right,

588
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: any one of these big corners, I think Brent is

589
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: that he's my favorite of the like non obvious first

590
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: round pick ones. But just get him in the building

591
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 1: and figure out because boy would have six three corner

592
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: When you got to play the Bengals with t Higgins

593
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: and Jamar Chase, when you got to play the Raiders

594
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: with Devanta Adams, when there's all these teams with big

595
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: receivers in the AFC, right, when you gotta go play

596
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: those teams, you have a guy that look, Marcus Jones

597
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: going against both DeAndre Hopkins and and Devanta Adams was

598
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: so much better than anybody could have expected. But at

599
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: the end of the day, he's going to be five eight,

600
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: And there were times when that came up like there

601
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: was nothing. They're just throwing jump balls and six four

602
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: te Higgins is going to be able to get up higher.

603
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 1: So having a guy like Julius Brents would just completely

604
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: change the way they can operate against some of these

605
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: elite offenses. Yeah. I think we're talking to people at

606
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl sizek corner and tackle or the two

607
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: biggest things that kept on coming size of tackle, just

608
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: like tackled right, Yeah, it kept on coming up at

609
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: in conversations, and I think that you you said, oh,

610
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: what do you think about this guy? What do you

611
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 1: think about that guy? And a lot of the time

612
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: when you when you pointed out one of these Jack Jones,

613
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: Marcus Jones type of corners, a guy you know like

614
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: Keetroll Clark we really liked and practices out of Louisville.

615
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: You got, well, we got Keetroll Clark, right, we got

616
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 1: three Keatroll Clark. So did see another thing I would

617
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: love them doubling up and taking a guy like a

618
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: Keetroll Clark or a Miles Brooks later on in the draft.

619
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: But hey, that can't that can't be all you come

620
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: away with. Yeah, so I'll just ridele off these. Yeah,

621
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, we're thirty five minutes in, We've

622
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: done three picks. Trey Dean in the fourth round, trading

623
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: U Shrine Bowl State, like the the player of the

624
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl, I think. And he was on the West

625
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: team with the Patriots coach. And we heard some guys

626
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: that really on the coaching staff that were really high

627
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: on Trey Dean and he was. He was really high

628
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff too. I think that does matter here.

629
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: Yep uh Tyler Stein from Alabama. They're left tackle who

630
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 1: I think is a tackle and I think can play

631
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: either side most likely. I love that he played in

632
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 1: the SEC his whole career, went to Vanderbilt first and

633
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: then he transferred Alabama. So a very good tackle prospect.

634
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: I think from where you're gonna get him. Here's just

635
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: a quick thing on seen. Yeah. I always look at

636
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: and Alabama doesn't do transfers as much as everybody else,

637
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: just because and this is kind of changing now. But

638
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: you don't transfer out of Alabama, right, so there aren't

639
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: as many guys coming in. But when Nick Saban takes

640
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: a guy who he's played against multiple times and says

641
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 1: I've got to get him, especially from a program like Vanderbilt,

642
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: that tells me a lot. So Steen I think can

643
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: start in the NFL. Also, I think he's got st

644
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 1: start right away though starting caliber traits. I don't know

645
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: if you can start right away, but if you assume

646
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: that Trent is going to start for a year, and

647
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: then maybe Steen is the guy that in two years,

648
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: because you're gonna start Gronsky in this instance, Yeah, in

649
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: year one, last fourth ground pick a lot to Cameron

650
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: Latto from Alabama. The tight end we talked, you talked

651
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: about it briefly. Loaded tight end class, one of the

652
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 1: tight end classes in recent memory. I think you have

653
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: to pick someone out of that hat. Yeah, and I

654
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: took a lot to for obvious reasons. The Alabama connection.

655
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: If you look at his stats under Bill O'Brien the

656
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,280
Speaker 1: last two years, that's when his career really took off

657
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: at Alabama, was playing under Bill O'Brien. I think is

658
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: a really solid route runner. I think he's somebody that's

659
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: a very crisp and sharp out of his cuts and

660
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: doesn't drift and doesn't, you know, do those little things

661
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: that allowed defensive backs to get back in there. I

662
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: think he can block a little bit. I think he

663
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: can move around a little bit. I don't think he's

664
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: got the ceiling that some of these other guys at

665
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: the top, because he doesn't have that top end athleticism.

666
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: But I think that he's just a solid, well rounded

667
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: player on his ceiling though, And when you talk about

668
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: his route running, I feel like we don't talk about

669
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 1: these guys like he's a smart route runner. You watch

670
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: him against zone like he knows where to go. And

671
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 1: part of the reason is he actually was recruited as

672
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: a defensive end and then switched to tight end after

673
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: his first year. So when I see a guy like that,

674
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: I don't know that he is a ceiling of like

675
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: Musgrave or Kincaide, but like I think he actually has

676
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: sneaky ceiling. You're right, he doesn't have the athleticism. He's

677
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: never gonna run like a four four. But the fact

678
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: he's only been playing the position three really two years,

679
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: and he's gotten this far leads me to believe it,

680
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: like he's a guy that can pick things up quickly

681
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: in all of that, especially in this system. I think

682
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: he knows the system like they sneaky upside for him.

683
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: Sixth round. I know you told me this was too

684
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: late for Jake Moody, but I took too late for

685
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: Jake Moody, the kicker from Michigan. I think that they're

686
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 1: gonna come away with a kicker or a punter. They're

687
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: gonna draft one of them. They have these these sixth

688
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: round picks. Maybe they package the two sixth round picks

689
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: and move up back into the fifth round for their

690
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: special teams round they don't currently have. They're a fifth

691
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: round pick. They don't round pick get one. Some places

692
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: are projecting the Kerass comp pick could come to the fifth,

693
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: not a six yet it's possible. The next guy here,

694
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: Tyrius Wheat from Misissippi State, another Shrine Bowl guy that

695
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 1: they absolutely loved on the West team. Edge defender two

696
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: sixty two sixty five, can play with his hand in

697
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: the dirt or stand up linebacker on the outside, someone

698
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: that just sets the edge the way that they want

699
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: people to set the edge. He's not gonna be super flashy.

700
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: He's not gonna jump out at you with all that

701
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But he's just a sturdy, rock solid,

702
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: strong side edge defender, which we know they desperately like

703
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: three down defensive end, which I love. He kind of

704
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: reminds me of Teatrick Wise a little bit. And there's

705
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: another guy they worked with the Shrine Bowl, Haba Cookball Donado.

706
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 1: He was in here originally and I swopped him out

707
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: for a week. Hey yeah, I also took Wheat in

708
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: the same spot in my mock draft, and I had

709
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: a really tough time between the two of them. So

710
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 1: I think Habba is a little bit more upside with

711
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: his athleticism. He's somebody that really can jump off the

712
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 1: film on that first step right now, first step explosiveness

713
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: that get off is really impressive from Haba. But I

714
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: think that Habba to them will be like a situational rusher,

715
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: right So I think Wheat is that early down run.

716
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: I say, though we only overlapped. I saw your draft thirty.

717
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: We only overlapped five picks this year only, and I

718
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: think only four of them are taken in the same spot.

719
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: So I just look at their their edge group and

720
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: Ch and Jennings are gonna be free agents. Their rookie

721
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: deals are coming up next offseason. But they also have

722
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: guys like Judean who's on the TVs right now talking.

723
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: That's a nice sweatshirt. There you go, Judean Ch those

724
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,000
Speaker 1: guys to our pass rushers, right, they need somebody that

725
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: I think is gonna hold up a tight end and

726
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: a combo block on the outside. Right, that that could be.

727
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: I think that's what they want Jennings to be as well.

728
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,479
Speaker 1: But I think that we would join that mix here

729
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: in the sixth round. Still Travis Die from USC the

730
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: running back. This is where I think they should take

731
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: a running back somewhere on day three, three years ago,

732
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: when we started working together, you would have never made

733
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: this pick. You would have been so annoyed when I

734
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: suggested it. I am so proud of you for putting

735
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: this pick in it kind of paying me. Still, You're

736
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: he won me over talking to him. So I think

737
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: that Die would have went a little bit higher if

738
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: he was healthy and he could do all the people

739
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: would have infringed on the showcases and stuff. But he

740
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: injured his ankle towards the end of last season, so

741
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: he's been held out of all these types of the

742
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: Shrine Bowl. He was there just for interviews and to

743
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 1: be with the team. He was out there at practice though.

744
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: He didn't participate though, but he was like standing out

745
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: there with the coaches, taking the coach and that's something

746
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,879
Speaker 1: they're gonna notice. Yeah. So Travis d Usc I think

747
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: has a chance to be a James White, right. I

748
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: think he's got that change of direction. I think he's

749
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,800
Speaker 1: got that aciman in the passing game. He can pass block,

750
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: really good pass block. Smart kid. I think he understands

751
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: his role in the passing game and all those types

752
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 1: of things. So he's been working with Shane Vereen actually

753
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: a little bit. He told me, there you go, change

754
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: of direction at the top of the route, that type

755
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: of stuff. All right, h next sixth rounder forsythe from Oregon,

756
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 1: Alex Forsyth. So I went back and forth on this

757
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: one too, because they have that tackle that was at

758
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: the Shrine Bowl that I'm not gonna try to pronounce

759
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: his name. Well, they also have t J. Bass, right,

760
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: he's the left tackle. Um, but uh Malisila, I'm not

761
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: gonna do. Just do the initials M A. L. L

762
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Are the initials right tackle right, Yeah, the right tackle

763
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: from Oregon. He was at the Shrine Bowl on the

764
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: East team. He's an NFL caliber player. TJ. Bass. You

765
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 1: mentioned their left tackle is probably gonna move inside the

766
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: guard in the NFL. He's an NFL caliberlier A caliber player.

767
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: Forsyth is their center, who's an NFL caliber player for

768
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: the starting center for the last two years. I think

769
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 1: they like Cody Russi a lot. I do, but I

770
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: think once you start to plan for post David Andrews,

771
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: it would be nice to have multiple guys that could

772
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 1: potentially fill the center role moving forward. And the reason

773
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 1: obviously that we take an Oregon guy here is because

774
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: of Adrian Clem reportedly coming on board. I think that

775
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: he's going to be somebody that he's gonna have one

776
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 1: of his guys, whether it's a UDFA or it's a

777
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: late round pick, Like if I took forsythe he's gonna

778
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: get one of his guys. I just think Bass is

779
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: interesting because there's some three positional versatility. Yeah, he could

780
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: he could move around. I think like that. Yeah, so

781
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,200
Speaker 1: that I went with Bass in that spot, Yeah, that's

782
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: not bad. Okay. Seventh round another Shrine Bowl stand out,

783
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: Anthony Orgy from Vanderbilt, the linebacker. I really liked what

784
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 1: Eric Gaalco had to tell us about him. The first

785
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: thing that he mentioned is that he's a downhill player,

786
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: right attack the line of scrimmage, take on blockers, play

787
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: the run well. And then I thought from all that,

788
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: I actually thought that his passing coverage stood out a

789
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: little bit in Vegas and he was a much better

790
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: player in space or player in coverage than maybe he

791
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: was getting credit for from some of the people coming in.

792
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: So that was the mock draft. I really thought that

793
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 1: the biggest thing for me was trying to dip into

794
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: some of these stronger classes this year. Tackle, corner, receiver,

795
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: tight end. Like I thought that you really needed to

796
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: come away with a player at each one of those positions.

797
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: Before we wrap up this and take some calls. What's

798
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: your biggest gripe with my mock draft, Alex that I

799
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: need your biggest gripe that Jake Moody's not going in

800
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: the in the sixth ride, No, um, I it is

801
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: that don't you don't don't change your stance. It is

802
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: that honestly, so I think it's a Forsyth pick. They're

803
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: so just the numbers, like, not even the depth in

804
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 1: terms of talent. Okay, so let me explain it a

805
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: little bit further because it's a fair gripe. Yeah, so

806
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: Forsyth can play center. He's listed at six foot three,

807
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: three hundred pounds, it's a little bit thin to be

808
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 1: a guard, but I think that he could play guard. Okay,

809
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: and we're getting to that point now. I hate, I

810
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: hate to do this, but like with Mike on Winny, like,

811
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: are we paying Mike on winning or are we not

812
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 1: paying Mike on winning? Like, yeah, I just what's the

813
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,480
Speaker 1: If you're gonna do that, you've got to invest a

814
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: little more than a guy who's because he's never played guard.

815
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: I don't think Forsyth. I think he I think he

816
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: played clearly on in his career. He played a little bit.

817
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 1: It's like significant snap. It's at that point, go get

818
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 1: go get a guard or like I just I either

819
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 1: want positional versatility there or I just want raw sizes

820
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: like Dalton Wagner. Right, that's kind of where met I'll

821
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: tell you where we're both wrong though. Okay, So as

822
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 1: I go through your draft here, you have big ten

823
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: acc Big twelve, SEC, SEC, Big ten, sec, Pac twelve,

824
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: Pac twelve sec. I'll tell you by for mine right now.

825
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: Spoiler alert SEC Big twelve, AAC SEC, SEC Pac twelve,

826
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: Big ten, SEC, Big twelve, Pac twelve. There's no Chattanooga.

827
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: There there's no I forget where Sam Roberts went. Northwest

828
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: northwest Missouri state. There's no South Dakota state. As much

829
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: as I love the defending National Champion jack round, it

830
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: doesn't And this is maybe wishful thinking on my part,

831
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: and I guess on your part two for your future

832
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: mock draft here, but this has got to be they

833
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 1: have and I understand that Kyle Dugger is a good

834
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 1: player and they got him from the D two level

835
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: and it doesn't always work not work out. I get that,

836
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: but it just feels like, especially in the first round

837
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: at fourteen, is a premium pick. That's not that's not

838
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, right. I know they traded down, but so

839
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,439
Speaker 1: so so what I'm saying, let me give you last

840
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 1: year FC. I don't know any that most of the

841
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: conferences beyond uh FBS SO FCS Big twelve, AAC, Pac twelve, FCS,

842
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: Sun Belt SEC D two SEC, Big ten that's painful.

843
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: But let's go the year before SEC SEC Big twelve,

844
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: Big twelve, Big ten, SEC PAC twelve and then AAC

845
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: SO and that went in twenty twenty one, might be

846
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: the best draft they've had in a decade. Yeah, so,

847
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: like we're kind of both projecting them. And now, look,

848
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,719
Speaker 1: you you know my thing I want. I want name

849
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: brand players. I want guys that played at big schools,

850
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: like I can go and watch Peter Scronsky against legitimate

851
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: pass rushers in that conference, the Ohio State guys. I

852
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: went and watched them against Aidan Hutchinson the year before this, right,

853
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: like guys that are playing in the league at a

854
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: high level, Like I don't need Chattanooga and there's another

855
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: guy offensive lineman from Chattanooga in this draft, by the well,

856
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: so let me bring this one a Cody Mok who

857
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: I think you you really actually like more than me.

858
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: I would have no where. This is the most surprising

859
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 1: development on the DRAFTIC guys, this is this is the

860
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: North Dakota State converted guard that is missing his two

861
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: front teeth and that plays with the jersey rolled up

862
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: in his gut out that Evan just loves. This is

863
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: the player Evan is hated for yet in Vegas, horrible

864
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: for you. You're drafting running backs, you like the North

865
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: Dakota State guards. But my point close of out of

866
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: his stance, he generates movement. He plays with nastiness, like

867
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: this is like the type of like that's offensive. But

868
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: here's my point, Cody Mock, you like neither, like you

869
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: wouldn't be upset if they took him in the third round.

870
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: I don't think I'd be upset in the first round

871
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: because well, but here's my point, Like that's the Summit

872
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,880
Speaker 1: Conference where like there's smaller school players in this draft

873
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: that we like, but this feels more like, you know,

874
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: they've done this in the past, they've overcorrected, right, even

875
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: when things work, they will overcorrect away from it. So

876
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:05,919
Speaker 1: how do you overcorrect from Chattanooga in South Dakota State,

877
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: in Western Kentucky, in Northwest Missouri State. And it's nothing

878
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 1: against the players, it's just it's a different approach. You

879
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: go big sec big, big twelve when the big twelve

880
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 1: is maybe as good as it's ever been this way,

881
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: Unfortunately it's on the way up. Let's another story. You know,

882
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: you go, I didn't go big on the big ten

883
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: you did, but like you go big into those big conferences.

884
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,960
Speaker 1: If I'm not a big, big ten guy, but if

885
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: it's in the trenches, the big ten gets the trenches, correct,

886
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 1: Big ten gets the trenches right, like the SEC. If

887
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 1: you if you're gonna draft defensive players, skill players, corners,

888
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: receivers like, I definitely go SEC all day, but when

889
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: it comes to tackles and offensive linemen like those guys

890
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: get that type of play and I love the mentality. Oh,

891
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: the big ten is a line. We could do a

892
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: whole show on which positions you draft from which conference,

893
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: but we gotta take some calls. All right, We're gonna

894
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 1: take some calls now. Thanks for hanging on on the phones.

895
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: We appreciate shade us our deliberation back and forth on

896
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 1: mock draft. One point now that's on Patriots dot com

897
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 1: right now, Patty and Aga on what's up Patty, Look guys, Heyton,

898
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: First thing, First things first, great job last week. Thank you.

899
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 1: We're in formative and entertaining. I loved it. Um So

900
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: I want to kind of peeback off of Alex's situation

901
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: where let's pretend that they they fixed the offensive line

902
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 1: at least for this coming year. There's three guys I'm

903
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: I would like to see them possibly take in the

904
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 1: first round at wide receiver. And I just want to

905
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: get sure, guys that you know, if you can do

906
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: a quick sum because I know you probably get other

907
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 1: calls moeting just the pros and cons of these three

908
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 1: guys in this system and Bill O'Brien's system, Zay Flowers,

909
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 1: Jordan Addison, and Keishan Boutier. And I'll hang up and listen. Guys, thanks, Patty.

910
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 1: All right, three guys that we both are pretty familiar with.

911
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: So this is the second tier of the slot receivers

912
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: after Jackson Smith and Jacob pretty much. So he said,

913
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers, right, Yeah, Addison was in the Kee So

914
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: you're throwing Josh downs and that's the second tier of

915
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 1: slot receivers JS and I think is in his own tier.

916
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: So Zay Flowers, electric player, electric with the football in

917
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: his hands, can go vertical, right, can do all that

918
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: he is from a movement standpoint, one of the more

919
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: exciting players in the draft, like just an absolute jitterbug,

920
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: explosive guy, rocked up all that. But five to nine

921
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: one seventy, right, I think is what he's at right

922
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: now and he I that part of it does have

923
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: some hesitation for me because in this offense, in Bill

924
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 1: O'Brien's offense, that guy's gonna be targeted one hundred and

925
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 1: twenty times, and is he going to be able to

926
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: take the wear and tear of being targeted one hundred

927
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: and twenty times in the slot in the NFL going

928
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 1: over the middle, that type of stuff. I don't look

929
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: at his body type and see, you know, when Edelman

930
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: used to walk around here, Edelman was like a UFC fighter,

931
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Like that guy was rocked up right. And I stand

932
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: next to Zay Flowers, I'm like, you know, he's a

933
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: little bit slighter framed. And that's why I like Downs

934
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more for this mock was because I

935
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: think he's a little bit stift. Flowers also won't be

936
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: there at forty six, and that's part of it too.

937
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: Um yeah to me, so just real quick with Flowers.

938
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: The pros is obviously how well he moves. I mean,

939
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 1: he just looks natural gliding around the field. He's explosive

940
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: with the ball in his hands. I would be really

941
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: worried about his durability. Jordan Addison teams are gonna figure

942
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: out very quick if you get in his face. He

943
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: pressed him at the line. If you start kind of

944
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: hitting him early in the game, you know, really make

945
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: him feel it. He can fade a little bit, and

946
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 1: that's not something you can have from that position at all.

947
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: If anything, you get stronger the more you get hit.

948
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 1: Julian nedelman Us talk about the more he took hits,

949
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: the more fearless he get. I don't know if I

950
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: said this to you on or off the air, if

951
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: I said it on another show. Kashawn Boutet is the

952
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: gem in this draft. Now there's the exact type of

953
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: guy that they picked though and he and he's an

954
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: absolute bust because he's such a projections though. He's one

955
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: hundred ten percent project Actually he didn't play, but he

956
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: played in twenty twenty one. He was excellent. Yeah, but

957
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: like you're, I think you're. He was the consensus number

958
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 1: one receiver in this class for almost a year for

959
00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,360
Speaker 1: a reason. He's a great talent. I just think that

960
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: you are. You're fully hoping that you can capture that

961
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,960
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one season lightning in a bub. But don't

962
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: they do this a lot? Remember they did this with Barmore.

963
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they haven't done it. I'm just

964
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: saying how much success have they really had doing it.

965
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Barmore was a guy who had a better you know,

966
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact year of class, but like

967
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 1: two years before the draft, Barmore is better than his

968
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: last year in college. Um who, I just did this

969
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,319
Speaker 1: the other day. Romandre was another. Ramandre was suspended, Yeah,

970
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: most of his last year at Oklahoma. Right, you're swaying,

971
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: and he came back and and um again, I wish

972
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: I could remember the other names of these guys, but

973
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 1: like they've done this before, Jack Jones, it's a you

974
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: gotta go like all the way back, Like he was

975
00:47:52,200 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: better as a freshman. Dissatified of the guy that Boote

976
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: to me is like a ball of clay right, Like

977
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: he's he's exactly what you want at a receiver. Like

978
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: he's super talented, explosive, I can do all sorts of

979
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 1: different things out on the field. Six foot two oh five.

980
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: You can probably play him on the boundary a little

981
00:48:10,040 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: bit if you really like you could. He's not just

982
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: a spot receivers Flowers and George Best on film. He's

983
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,719
Speaker 1: a little bit Odell like, but when he's at his best,

984
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: who's better than him in this draft? I don't know

985
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: if anybody is. And the other thing is like everybody wants, oh,

986
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 1: just draft to number one receiver, Like just draft that

987
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,879
Speaker 1: guy's not there for them in this draft. Yeah, it's

988
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: the fourteenth pick. That guy's not there. Quinn Johnson isn't

989
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: going to be that guy in this offense. And Flowers

990
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: and Addison have their limitations. They do they can be

991
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:42,839
Speaker 1: a guy, but they can't be the guy. The one

992
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: guy in this draft I think can be the guy

993
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: for them, not will be, but can be. But in

994
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 1: the second round, it's like, it's not that first round risk.

995
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: How's he Honestly, how's any different than Tai Kwon last year?

996
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: Was Taekwon on massive swing. I'm not saying it's any different.

997
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that in form my opinion because they

998
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: took that swing on Tai Kwon, which is based almost

999
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 1: basically a traits pick, right like fast guy, great, forty

1000
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: blazing speed. I just I gravitate towards the safer pick

1001
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: because I think that that is a guy that a

1002
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 1: reliable guy I think would do better in this style

1003
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: of offense than the high the high ceiling guy. And

1004
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: so I look at a guy like js N Jackson

1005
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigbe from Ohio State, and I know for

1006
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,239
Speaker 1: a fact watching him that all thirty two teams are

1007
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: going to be kicking themselves because they pass on him

1008
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: in the first round this year. But it's still really

1009
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 1: JSS not gonna be a first round pick. I don't

1010
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: think so. Really, I don't think so. Yeah. I mean,

1011
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: if you can get Jsen at forty six, I don't

1012
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: think six. I think he'll be a thirties pick. I

1013
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: think I think he'll be early second round unless he runs.

1014
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,320
Speaker 1: If he runs, and he puts up a good number.

1015
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of people that I think are

1016
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: really concerned about his play speed, Like he's not a

1017
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: fast receiver. He doesn't pop off the film when watch

1018
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: him run, and I think that's gonna be a concern

1019
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: for a lot of teams. But I know for a

1020
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: fact that we're gonna come back to it in three

1021
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: years and jays End is gonna be like Michael Thomas

1022
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,879
Speaker 1: in this draft right, and everybody we're gonna be like, well,

1023
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: what the heck, Like, why did you know it was

1024
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: a little better than Michael Thomas. And I mean Michael

1025
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: Thomas was awesome for for one year. I don't know.

1026
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: I just I look at Boutet and it's like debt. Yes,

1027
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: it's a risky pick. That's also the pick outside of

1028
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: last year, And that's the pick they haven't made that

1029
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: we've kind of been waiting for them to make. They

1030
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 1: keep making these safe picks at wide receiver and they

1031
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: don't pa. I don't think Taekwon was a safe pick.

1032
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: That's the one exception, but like going back before that,

1033
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: it is just a lot of safe picks and and

1034
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: Boutet is the you're talking about the athlete, the guy

1035
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: who's rocked up, like the term you like to use, right,

1036
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: the guy that can can jump out of the gym

1037
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 1: and explode out of the gates. Bill O'Brien's going to

1038
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: figure it out with like this isn't this isn't the

1039
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: mat Patricia Offensive. I just don't. I don't know who

1040
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: he is consistently, Like I know what he could be.

1041
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: I know what his ceiling is, I know what his

1042
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: elite traits are, but what is he like, what is

1043
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: he consistently that he's going to develop into an eighty

1044
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 1: catch guy in the NFL, Like, what is well, what

1045
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: do we have to hang our hats on? Where his explosive?

1046
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: His explosiveness is route running? But he's never done it

1047
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: though he has done it. Well, what did he put

1048
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 1: up two years ago? It wasn't like anything crazy? So

1049
00:51:22,440 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: he's first of all, he's playing a horrible LC. Don't

1050
00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: don't make the excuse I was playing at He in

1051
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: six games, so we can double these for a full

1052
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: season of production. Why was the only it was the

1053
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: only healthy for six games? Was this the COVID year?

1054
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: It was the I don't remember why he didn't play

1055
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 1: look it up, but like hypothetically, this is my point.

1056
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 1: All right, I'll tell you why, I'll tell you what. No,

1057
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,759
Speaker 1: but like I don't, no, not no, he he only

1058
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: played six games in the year where they played double

1059
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: digit games. He sat because of the drafts. I don't know,

1060
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: thirty eight catches for five hundred nine yards and nine

1061
00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: touchdowns exactly. He in nine touchdowns in six games, even

1062
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: in the SEC. But that's college like that, that's not

1063
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 1: a SEC. All right, we're gonna go back and forth

1064
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 1: on this, all right, Sean and Vancouver, what's up? Sean,

1065
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: and I really liked your mock draft. I agree with

1066
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: it completely. It's correct, right, Sean. Well, the one thing

1067
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: I noticed is the three players that really stood out

1068
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: for me in the Shrine Bowl. Uh, you have two

1069
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: of them on this draft of guys from the West

1070
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: team that that I really liked. One guy who I

1071
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 1: also like, and I want to talk to you about

1072
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: this because of Bailey, is Michael Turk. Oh, yeah, I

1073
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: know you probably Alex. This guy, Michael Hunter. Michael Turk

1074
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: loves Alex, Barth loves Yeah. Well, Alex, how do you

1075
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: feel about him? He the ball explodes off his foot.

1076
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 1: He's very accurate, now, he was, He was incredible. He

1077
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: was m He kind of reminded me of like rookie

1078
00:52:55,120 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: Jake Bailey, where just when he punts the ball, everybody

1079
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 1: was watching. That's not normally how goes these events? Even

1080
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: Bill like when he punched at the ball. Yeah, he

1081
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: can ply He's going to be a punch in this

1082
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: league for a long time. Don't look at his Twitter though. Okay. Now,

1083
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:12,319
Speaker 1: the other thing I want to talk about is free

1084
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: because that's going to change the way the Patriots look

1085
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: at the draft. And there isn't a lot of wide receiver.

1086
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 1: A lot of people say that Jacoby is the number

1087
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 1: one guy, But someone that I'm looking at really going

1088
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: under the radar is DJ Chark. I think he has

1089
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:28,840
Speaker 1: the size and the speed as a deep thread. He

1090
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: didn't have as many opportunities with Detroit, but when he

1091
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 1: did he came through. He did get injured, which has

1092
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: been a problem with him, but he looked good after

1093
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 1: the injust so he's healthy. Now, what do you think

1094
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: of J Chark? Yeah, thanks Sean, thanks for the call.

1095
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: And h Yeah, Michael Turk, we both really were impressed

1096
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: by him. You mentioned Chark. I still feel like Chark

1097
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: is in that tier of receiver that they've had to

1098
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 1: come through here in the last couple of years, like

1099
00:53:55,760 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: Davante Parker, Kendrick Boorne, Nelson Aglor like right, like it.

1100
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: I don't mind Chark as like a member of your offense, right.

1101
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 1: I don't think he can't play. I just don't think

1102
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:10,439
Speaker 1: he really changes the complexion of anything that you don't

1103
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,919
Speaker 1: already have. Like I think he's just redundant in terms

1104
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: of skill set or not non terms of skill set,

1105
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: in terms of talent level to what you have. Like

1106
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: I think he might bring a little bit of a

1107
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: different downfield element than some of these other guys do.

1108
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I just feel like from a

1109
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 1: skills a skill level standpoint, he's kind of the same,

1110
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 1: right Like, I don't think he's a number one. I

1111
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: think he's kind of a complimentary guy. They need somebody.

1112
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,400
Speaker 1: Like the only receiver interested in paying is the guy

1113
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: who comes in is instantly on top of the depth chart,

1114
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: right right, DJ Chark is He's right there with Kendrick Bourne,

1115
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker. By the way, Kay shan boutet in twenty

1116
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: twenty one, before he got hurt against the SEC in

1117
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: three games before he got hurt, before he got hurt,

1118
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: and then he got hurt again. This year, he didn't

1119
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,560
Speaker 1: get hurt. This year. He was done with that team.

1120
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: That team was a mess. How does that make it

1121
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 1: any better? I just just okay, Kay Shuil against the SEC,

1122
00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: eighteen catches two hundred and eighty five yards three touchdowns

1123
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: in three games. Against two games against AP top twenty

1124
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: five teams in two games, fourteen catches two hundred yards

1125
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: in a touchdown. He's been talented. I don't I've never

1126
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:17,080
Speaker 1: denied that he's incredibly talented, but just off of sheer reps,

1127
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 1: he's not a guy that has a lot of experience.

1128
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: Isn't this what we said about like DK though, And

1129
00:55:22,560 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: like yeah, it is what we said about DK duty

1130
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: And everybody's still so miserable that they didn't make that

1131
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: pick round. He was the number one receiver in the class.

1132
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: He ka fell to the second round, So okay for

1133
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:34,480
Speaker 1: the receipts to prove that I had him. So here

1134
00:55:34,680 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: just for everybody I know you do. So here's here's

1135
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: your shot at redemption. Yeah, we'll get into it more

1136
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 1: down the road, but my shot at redemption is boote. Yeah.

1137
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: I think it might be. I think it might be.

1138
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: I reserve the right to change my mind after the

1139
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: combine if he wants something bad, but that I am

1140
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: standing on Jackson Smith and Jigba. I think that he's

1141
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,359
Speaker 1: the guy in this draft that I look at that

1142
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna overthink because they're gonna say, oh, he's not

1143
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: that fast, doesn't run that well. I don't think that that.

1144
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: I think that Jason is gonna end up being the

1145
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 1: best receiver out of this. I think you're creating a

1146
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,280
Speaker 1: fas I think most people think he's the best receiver

1147
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: in this card. I think there's a lot of people

1148
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,880
Speaker 1: though that don't see him as like that tier one receiver,

1149
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 1: like when you relative to other drafts. Right, I'm not

1150
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: talking about that guy's not in the strafts. I don't know.

1151
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:25,080
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think he gets passed the first round.

1152
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: I really don't. Does he fall out of the top twenty, Yeah,

1153
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: I could see it. I don't think he gets passed

1154
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:32,680
Speaker 1: the first round. All right, last call here, Eldred, what's up? Hey? So,

1155
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,280
Speaker 1: but I don't like your sentiment. Oho that slot receiver. Okay,

1156
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: I'm with Paul, you can't win that much. And Quentin

1157
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: Johnson it's gonna be the steel of the draft. I

1158
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: know he's six five, he got speed. He's on the

1159
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: outside because you're gonna need the outside threat. You know,

1160
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 1: if anybody else they didn't side of stuff. It's not

1161
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 1: gonna got on outside. Just get a defense. And like

1162
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: you said, like you said earlier in the championship game,

1163
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: both catches one touchdown. Who do that? Well? I think

1164
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 1: the idea that I the reason why I come at

1165
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: it with the inside receivers and where I guess I

1166
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: differ with with Paul, who I've heard had this take,

1167
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: but I haven't really sat down and talked to him

1168
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: about it. I think where I differ is the quarterback, right,

1169
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: because if Mac Jones is your quarterback, and you're building

1170
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: your offense around Mac Jones at quarterback, then drafting the

1171
00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: outside receiver that you have to throw bombs too down

1172
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: the field, Like, is that really the skill set that

1173
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,160
Speaker 1: you want to draft a pair with Mac Jones Like

1174
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson did Wilson, he did with Williams, he did

1175
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: with Yeah, he did it with great players in college,

1176
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: but this isn't college. But this isn't like but he

1177
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: didn't throw deep though, right, he threw deep at Alabam's

1178
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: still a hundred yards Evan. I just I personally think

1179
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: that for mac Jones, the middle of the field is

1180
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: where I think he's the most comfortable throwing the football

1181
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: in the NFL. I know what he did it in college,

1182
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 1: like I know what he did at Alabama, but I

1183
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: think that he did that in a much different environment.

1184
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: I think here in the NFL he's got to be

1185
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: that guy that dominates with the quick release, with the

1186
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: accuracy underneath, get the football and guy's hands and let

1187
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,200
Speaker 1: him run with it. And I think that's the skill

1188
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: set that they have to target. I I look at

1189
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: the blueprint that they've had with Brady as a blueprint

1190
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 1: that they should be funny. But he's not. But he's

1191
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 1: not Josh Allen either, Like I just don't think he's

1192
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: gonna be thrown by but he's not Brady. You know,

1193
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: Brady committed doing that. But I'll with you with DKA

1194
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:43,560
Speaker 1: because doing that draft and what they got Harry, I

1195
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: called him a buzz That's one I wanted with DK

1196
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: metcam and I was, don't wait before they throw a draft.

1197
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the guy. What should get about thought

1198
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 1: he was a one tickton if they know he's not,

1199
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 1: and he proved out he wasn't a one trick pony.

1200
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: So so Eldred, I would just asking before he let

1201
00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:00,160
Speaker 1: you go. So do you think Quentin Johnston is you

1202
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 1: have him in that same DK category in terms of

1203
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: everybody's got him wrong? Is that what what I'm hearing? Yeah, okay,

1204
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,360
Speaker 1: that's fair. Thanks for the call, Edward, we appreciate you.

1205
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: I think that that's an interesting conversation with Quinton Johnson.

1206
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: I think I'm so nikkil Harry PDSDD by this situation

1207
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: that I just don't know if I can draft another

1208
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: six foot four wide receiver early, right, Like, I just

1209
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: have so much anxiety over that because of their ability

1210
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: to get that guy to translate at the NFL level.

1211
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: He's not a route runner like you watch him. Even

1212
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 1: in his good games, he runs an under or a

1213
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 1: slant or something and he's smothered. Right, there's guys all

1214
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 1: over him in man coverage. He's not a great route

1215
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: runner underneath the defense. He gets better as he gets

1216
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:50,600
Speaker 1: further down the field. A lot of his wins are

1217
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: on verticals, a lot of his wins are at the

1218
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: catch point. Like that type of guy. I just don't know.

1219
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: Is that what's best for this offensive Bill O'Brien, is

1220
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: that what's best for Mac Jones? Like I still come

1221
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,439
Speaker 1: back to with Mac Jones that I think that he's

1222
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: the best at his best when the ball's coming out quickly,

1223
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: he's attacking within twenty yards and he's getting the football

1224
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: out over the middle of the field. And that's why

1225
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: I've gravitated towards the inside guys, right, because I think

1226
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: you have to if you have a dominate, dominant slot receiver.

1227
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 1: I think that you can still win like that. And

1228
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: I think people hear that and they think checkdowns, and

1229
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:27,439
Speaker 1: that's maybe it's what you mean. Like when I look

1230
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: at it, I agree at the middle of the field thing.

1231
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 1: But Max said is best in the intermediate yea that

1232
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: eight to fifteen yard range. So who are the like

1233
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: Johnson is not an intermediate receiver down The best intermediate

1234
01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:42,240
Speaker 1: receivers in this draft are in Jigba, Josh Downs, and

1235
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 1: Sea Boute. Yeah, so those are the three guys. And

1236
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: like Zay Flywer, I don't even know Zay Flywer's an

1237
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: intermediate receiver. He might just be a pure slot. Yeah

1238
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: he might. He might be like a quick hitter or

1239
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,120
Speaker 1: a deep guy like he might be like you know,

1240
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 1: in that that those types of those two zones, like

1241
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 1: I think you take the intermediate the field, those those

1242
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,800
Speaker 1: are the three guys I look at if like, if

1243
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: they want to truly maximize Mac Jones, who are the

1244
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: three best receivers for Mac Jones in this class in

1245
01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: no particular order, in Jigba, Downs, Boute. I also just

1246
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 1: look at you know, he mentioned the teams recently, the

1247
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 1: teams that are still alive, like a team like Kansas City.

1248
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,560
Speaker 1: And look, I know, Patrick Mahomes is totally is a cyborg.

1249
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: He's his own thing. I totally understand that. But still,

1250
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 1: their passing game is built around a tight end. It's

1251
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: built around Travis Kelsey. Travis Kelsey is not a vertical

1252
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,280
Speaker 1: threat in an offense, right like they they don't have

1253
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: great outside receivers. They have good outside receivers, you know,

1254
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: MVS and those guys are solid outside receivers. But they

1255
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 1: are winning in the passing game with Travis Kelsey over

1256
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: the middle, with Travis Kelsey at the short and intermediate levels,

1257
01:01:43,320 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 1: and obviously with Mahomes's magic. So I still think that

1258
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 1: there's a place for an offense to be built inside

1259
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: out like that. I don't think it's totally impossible to

1260
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,880
Speaker 1: build it that way. I just don't want Mac Jones

1261
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: throwing bombs. They tried that this year with him he

1262
01:01:57,280 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 1: was a turnover machine. It just wasn't It's just not

1263
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 1: what's what he's built for. It's just not. So they

1264
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: got to get back to playing to his strength. And

1265
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: I just don't think that a downfield receiver plays to

1266
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: that strength. All Right, we didn't we didn't get to

1267
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: everything we wanted to get to today because Alex has

1268
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,440
Speaker 1: got to go host over at ninety eight five tonight, right,

1269
01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: six to six to ten, ninety eight five Sports. So

1270
01:02:17,880 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: we'll do some football talk. We're probably gonna be heavy basketball. Yeah,

1271
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 1: big trade hire. NBA traded all of their second round

1272
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 1: picks today. It was fascinating. Well, well we'll get more

1273
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: into a Senior Bowl. We we can do some senior

1274
01:02:30,080 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: like ten minutes, all right, we got ten minutes, ten

1275
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: minute all right? Uh, we want to do Senior Bowls

1276
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: standouts like who are a couple of guys who mentioned brands?

1277
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:38,840
Speaker 1: We mentioned some guys already that we're Senior Bowl guys

1278
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: that Alabama kids were at the Senior Bowls? Stein and

1279
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 1: a lot too. Who else stood out to you in mobile?

1280
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta mention my guy to Wan Jones

1281
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 1: again because he's just so good and he was one

1282
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: day a practice, practice, one and done. He's solely real.

1283
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: I'll give you another tight end. I really like for them.

1284
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: Payne Durham from Purdue. Yeah, I had a good week.

1285
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 1: So first, hang on, I think I got a sneeze. No,

1286
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:00,880
Speaker 1: I'm good, all right, Paynt Durham. First off, pro didn't

1287
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,160
Speaker 1: play high school football till the senior year. What sport

1288
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,720
Speaker 1: did he play? Instead? Lacrosse? Lacrosse player only for he

1289
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 1: played like Pop Warner football. But three years of lacrosse

1290
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:12,880
Speaker 1: Scott and football senior year still got did not walk

1291
01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: on still in that one year, got a scholarship offer

1292
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 1: to Purdue. Has been developing his game kid a couple

1293
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 1: of years ago. Well, no, what about he was here

1294
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:25,160
Speaker 1: for like a minute. What about who was the guy

1295
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: last year that the falcons Um Bernhard? Jared Bernhard? Who

1296
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 1: was that he won the lacrosse highsman and then he

1297
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 1: went played D two quarterback and won a Natty Um. No,

1298
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:37,360
Speaker 1: so pan Durham was. It was a high school acrosse

1299
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: player switches to football, gets the scholarship to Purdue. Really

1300
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,320
Speaker 1: great size six five, two fifty eight and that's the seat,

1301
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:49,160
Speaker 1: that's the real number, that's the senior number. Um excellent blocker,

1302
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: plays with a great motor. But he really came along

1303
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 1: as a receiver this year. He made some great catches

1304
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,959
Speaker 1: in that that Big Ten championship game against Michigan. He's

1305
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 1: expected to go way later than I thought, Like I'm

1306
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,760
Speaker 1: thinking He's probably like a fifth sixth round guy should

1307
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,760
Speaker 1: like sneak into the top one fifty, not gonna be

1308
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,280
Speaker 1: outside the top two hundred. A lot of places have

1309
01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: him sixth round, seventh round undrafted. Even so, maybe I'm

1310
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 1: missing something. I don't know how much you watched of him,

1311
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 1: but you talk about a project player. I don't know

1312
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 1: how much he helps you in twenty twenty three. But

1313
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,400
Speaker 1: you take him in the sixth round. They got what

1314
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: four five sixth round picks, You take him in the

1315
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:26,720
Speaker 1: sixth round. You just kind of let him work for

1316
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: a year behind the scenes. I think his upside is tremendous. Yeah,

1317
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: he's a great inline blocker two, which I think if

1318
01:04:32,600 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: you start to look at what they want at that position,

1319
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: I think they would ideally like to get back to

1320
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:40,520
Speaker 1: that a little bit more of somebody that can really

1321
01:04:40,560 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: be an extra tackle, so to speak for you, in

1322
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 1: the run game. I don't know if Johnny Smith and

1323
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: Hunter Henry have blocked as well as they were hoping

1324
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,280
Speaker 1: they were going to block for them at that position,

1325
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: So I think that would be something that they would

1326
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:57,880
Speaker 1: really like. You mentioned Dwan Jones just dropped the mic

1327
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: first day. I'd senior practices didn't come back, kind of

1328
01:05:01,520 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: like a Zay Flowers. Can I give you my weird

1329
01:05:03,880 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: comp for Duwan Jones. I don't know if I've done

1330
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:08,720
Speaker 1: it on the show. My comfort Duwan Jones in terms

1331
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,320
Speaker 1: like as a draft prospect is Tyrek Wolin. He's just

1332
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 1: I think people are gonna what Tariq there was a

1333
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 1: totally different position. Well no, not even the same side

1334
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:22,840
Speaker 1: of the ball. So let me explain. Tariq wool In

1335
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: six four two fifteen ran a fourth three like low

1336
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: four three forty, and he still went in the fourth round. Yeah,

1337
01:05:30,160 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 1: because I think people sort of looked at him in thought,

1338
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,919
Speaker 1: it's too good to be true. There's no way he's

1339
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 1: this big, in this athletic and it's gonna play at

1340
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: this skill level. And they were just they were almost

1341
01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: scared off by, like how perfect of a prospect he was.

1342
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,439
Speaker 1: I think there's gonna be teams. This is why Duan

1343
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:47,920
Speaker 1: Jones initially was projected as a third round pick. I

1344
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 1: think people looked at him and said, he's sixty eight

1345
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:54,920
Speaker 1: three seventy, is an iron man, like doesn't get hurt,

1346
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: Like there's got to be some catch, and he comes

1347
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: out and he shows the footwork and everything. I think

1348
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: there's gonna be team is that just assume there's some

1349
01:06:01,960 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: catch with Dwan Jones and are turned off by him?

1350
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: Now does that comp make sense? Like a little bit?

1351
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 1: So with Dwan Jones, I think, what's what could you tell? You?

1352
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 1: Tell me why Tariq will And went in the fourth

1353
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: round last year. I know he wasn't super experienced, but

1354
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: the fourth round six three four two four three two four,

1355
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,320
Speaker 1: I'm not because I was right about this is your

1356
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: dk Metcalf? Yeah, okay, So so that's my comfort Dwan Jones.

1357
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:27,680
Speaker 1: So Dwan Jones, I think what stands out about him

1358
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,040
Speaker 1: is so his foot speed isn't isn't great, right, because

1359
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,680
Speaker 1: its a bigger guy. So his ability to you know,

1360
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: pick up his fee, move his fee, change directions, that

1361
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: type of stuff is a concern on his projection. But

1362
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,120
Speaker 1: he's so long, and it's not just about being big, right,

1363
01:06:43,160 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 1: it's the lank ninety in wingspans a record. It's like

1364
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: an adult grown crane, like a bird. He's so long

1365
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 1: that he can be he can get you know, he

1366
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: can be in the wrong spot, right, he can he

1367
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,360
Speaker 1: can be in the wrong spot and still be able

1368
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,800
Speaker 1: to punch out with his hand and w and kind

1369
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: of buy himself some time to change directions. Right, So

1370
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,680
Speaker 1: he's somebody that is a little bit different. I agree.

1371
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:14,720
Speaker 1: I really liked Darnell right from Tennessee also, like he's

1372
01:07:14,760 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: like sort of in this big right tackle tier for

1373
01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:20,919
Speaker 1: me as well for the Patriots and early day towo,

1374
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: maybe they trade back or trade up in second round whatever.

1375
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: What I love so much about Darnell Wright is that

1376
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: he was nails against top competition like Will Anderson against Georgia,

1377
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: against Clemson last year and then in the in the

1378
01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl in Mobile. He every single time he went

1379
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: up against like NFL caliber players, he was excellent. I

1380
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: think he was probably the best tackle against Will Anderson

1381
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: that Will Anderson maybe ever faced in college. Like he

1382
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: totally shut down Will Anderson in that Tennessee Alabama game

1383
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: last year. And that's maybe the number one overall pick

1384
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: in the draft, right, So that was really impressive about him.

1385
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: I think we should mention two other guys. Tyreek Stevenson

1386
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 1: right from Miami. He had a really good week down there.

1387
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: His ability to just basically run the route for the receiver. Yeah,

1388
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: he's extremely smooth, really good. He had one rep in

1389
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:20,519
Speaker 1: one on ones. I don't think I've ever seen this.

1390
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 1: The quarterback didn't even throw the ball because the receiver

1391
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: ran a crosser and Stevenson ran a better crosser to

1392
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,679
Speaker 1: the point where if the quarterback threw it, he would

1393
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: have just been throwing it to Stevenson as the intended target.

1394
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:35,080
Speaker 1: So the quarterback just ate it because the poor quarterback

1395
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: doesn't want to put an interception on film, so he

1396
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: just eats it. That is very very rare in one

1397
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:44,880
Speaker 1: on ones because does always favor the receiver. Obviously, there's

1398
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: so much space it's it's really difficult to defend a

1399
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,320
Speaker 1: lot of these guys. And he was just excellent all

1400
01:08:50,320 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: week long, and one on ones the last name I'll

1401
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: give you. We gotta talk a little bit about Tank Dell.

1402
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: I think Tank Dell had a good week. He is

1403
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: going to be a terrified pick for some teams because

1404
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: of his size. He's one hundred and sixty five pounds

1405
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,760
Speaker 1: and in the NFL that's just too small, Like it

1406
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,040
Speaker 1: just is too small. And I think the one thing

1407
01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,800
Speaker 1: that we talk about a lot in the draft is, oh,

1408
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: well he'll get into an NFL strength program, and he'll

1409
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 1: just gain twenty pounds overnight. Like this is a guy

1410
01:09:18,320 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: that's five eight one sixty five. Like maybe he can

1411
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: gain some weight in the margins, but he's not. He

1412
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,360
Speaker 1: doesn't have a frame that's built to carry more. You

1413
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:28,600
Speaker 1: worry if he puts too much weight on is it

1414
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:32,519
Speaker 1: could impact his speed. Right, But at the same time,

1415
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,639
Speaker 1: the league keeps making less and less legal to hit

1416
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,880
Speaker 1: these guys, So you know guys like that are going

1417
01:09:36,920 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 1: to be more and more able to play in the league.

1418
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 1: I'll give you two more quick ones as well. On defense,

1419
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:46,679
Speaker 1: Christopher Smith, the safety from Georgia, a true free safety,

1420
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:48,120
Speaker 1: which there aren't a lot of. I thought he had

1421
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: a really good week, potential Devin mccordy replacement. And I

1422
01:09:51,280 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: gotta go Bryce Barringer from Michigan State, the hunter. He

1423
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:55,640
Speaker 1: was excellent. I think he had like hang on I

1424
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 1: had to go at the punch average four point five

1425
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: second hanging time, Like he said, they're gonna take kicker

1426
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,840
Speaker 1: at punter Baronsrew is really good. He's kicked in bad

1427
01:10:03,840 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: weather up in Lancing like he's going to be on

1428
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,560
Speaker 1: their board. This offensive line group in Mobile was fantastic.

1429
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: I was raving about it all week. They were excellent

1430
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:15,960
Speaker 1: on both teams. A National and American had great offensive lineman.

1431
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:19,400
Speaker 1: Some other guys that really stood out. Jalen Duncan from

1432
01:10:19,439 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: Maryland is really raw. I think there's some issues with

1433
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,200
Speaker 1: his pass sets, but he's super athletic. He's not gonna

1434
01:10:25,240 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: have any issues getting out to landmarks or cutting off

1435
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,040
Speaker 1: the corner. He's just got to work on his technique

1436
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: and in his footwork and his pass sets, and he's

1437
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 1: going to be an NFL player. He's got really really

1438
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,720
Speaker 1: solid foundational just athleticism in play straight like he's just

1439
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 1: got those two boxes checked, which I think for offensive

1440
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,000
Speaker 1: lineman that's certainly the number one thing he got a

1441
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:48,640
Speaker 1: check right, is having those two things. I know that

1442
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:52,599
Speaker 1: there is some love from for Bergeron from Syracuse. I'm

1443
01:10:52,680 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: not as in love with him for the Patriots because

1444
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,599
Speaker 1: I think he might be a guard, but he's somebody

1445
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: that can that can play at the next level, Like

1446
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,160
Speaker 1: he's going to be an NFL offensive lineman somewhere. He's

1447
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:05,880
Speaker 1: got that type of ability. The one clip that's going

1448
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 1: around about him that he's throwing a guy into the

1449
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 1: quarterback and holding at the same time but that's not

1450
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 1: let's not pump that up anymore. That was not a

1451
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,719
Speaker 1: good rep. But I think he had some good reps.

1452
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 1: I think he's going to be an NFL player. Um. Lastly,

1453
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: who's the last guy I was thinking about? Um, It'll

1454
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: come to me in a second, but I'll read Michael Wilson. Yeah,

1455
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson had a really good week. And I'm still

1456
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: worried about the injuries with him. He could never stay healthy. Yeah,

1457
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 1: he's somebody the Patriots take on, you know, in like

1458
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,680
Speaker 1: the fourth round, and they bet on the injuries. You

1459
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 1: talk about Boutet like that's their guy, right, is a

1460
01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: Michael Wilson type. I think that that's possible. Um as well,

1461
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: in terms of a wide receiver. There's one more tackle

1462
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 1: and I'm blanking on it, but I'll look it up

1463
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:52,599
Speaker 1: really quickly. Is there anybody that that was a dud

1464
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,880
Speaker 1: to you? Yeah? I mean it's Andre Carter from Army right, Oh? Yeah,

1465
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 1: all this type about this guy coming in. He had

1466
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: fifteen and a half sacks in twenty twenty one and

1467
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:02,280
Speaker 1: had a bit of a down year this year and

1468
01:12:02,320 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 1: then just really I mean he got owned by Dawan

1469
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: Jones like it was bad. Um, I'm gonna get you.

1470
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:10,760
Speaker 1: We're talking about maybe the first top fifty pick from

1471
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 1: a service academy in the modern era. It's gonna be

1472
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: kind of fringe. Now, we'll see what he does with

1473
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: the combine, and I think he will have a very

1474
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: good combine. But yeah, he didn't help himself. So the

1475
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:23,680
Speaker 1: one excuse that people were making for him that I

1476
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: don't I don't know how accurate this is by sad

1477
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: floating around a little bit. Army has some like pretty

1478
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: strict height and weight maybe maybe Marine and mackin speed

1479
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,719
Speaker 1: to this, Army's got some pretty strict height and weight

1480
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: like thing like thresholds. Yeah, and you can't. So he's

1481
01:12:39,600 --> 01:12:42,160
Speaker 1: six foot five. So at six foot five, if he

1482
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: was like six five three hundred pounds, the Army would say, oh,

1483
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,439
Speaker 1: he's overweight, like like that's well, that's why that's why

1484
01:12:47,439 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: they run the speed option because they can't be bigger

1485
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:52,360
Speaker 1: than the other teams. They just happen, right, So he

1486
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,400
Speaker 1: had to be at a certain weight. So he was

1487
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:57,360
Speaker 1: only six five, two sixty five, So he's very high

1488
01:12:57,439 --> 01:12:59,160
Speaker 1: cut and he's not it doesn't have a lot of

1489
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 1: sand in the pants, right, So and mobile. I don't

1490
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 1: want Jones was just throwing him out the club, Rob

1491
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,720
Speaker 1: Gronkowski style. And I think maybe in the NFL he'll

1492
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,839
Speaker 1: be able to pack on the guy that I forgot

1493
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,840
Speaker 1: in the pros, Cody Mock. I mean, talke about him,

1494
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:16,720
Speaker 1: That's why I forgot about him. Just excellent. I mean,

1495
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:20,120
Speaker 1: what a tape, what a guy. I love him, This

1496
01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 1: is unbelievable. I hate happen that he's gonna have to

1497
01:13:23,080 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: I hate that he's gonna have to play guard in

1498
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 1: the NFL because if he was a true tackle, I

1499
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: would be one hundred. And we have spent so much

1500
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 1: time with you just complaining about why are you considering

1501
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: drafting a guard? Why are you considering drafting an FCS player? Oh,

1502
01:13:37,000 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: you only like him because his teeth they're missing. You

1503
01:13:39,080 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 1: only like him because of his hair. We so often

1504
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: we did this, and now you're just like all in

1505
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: on like the most of me prospect of all time,

1506
01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: like all of like the offensive line cliches that we

1507
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,560
Speaker 1: used to talk about, right like that that is Cody.

1508
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 1: That's him. Who is the center from Wisconsin Whitewater couple

1509
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: years ago, you remember mirrors or something like that. Yeah, yeah,

1510
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you hated that guy. They come to the

1511
01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,680
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, they played at this low level of competition

1512
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,479
Speaker 1: at North Dakota State, and he just wants to put

1513
01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: on a show, right, Like he just he knows that

1514
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: he's got to take a big leap up in competition.

1515
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 1: It's kind of like cold Strange last year, and he

1516
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,280
Speaker 1: just put on an absolute show. Cody Mock loved it.

1517
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: The one tackle that I thought was really disappointing was

1518
01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:28,880
Speaker 1: the BYU kid Blake Freeland. Yeah, he had a really

1519
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:33,200
Speaker 1: rough week. He's six foot six and like not in

1520
01:14:33,240 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 1: a good way. Like his all he carries all of

1521
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: his weight above his waist and he just like bends

1522
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: at the waist to block people, right, and so he's

1523
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: got no flexibility in his lower half. His knees and

1524
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: his hips are there's zero flexibility there. So he was

1525
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: just getting rag dulled all week. Log it was a

1526
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: really really bad week, like to the point where I

1527
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,280
Speaker 1: think that he's out of the top one hundred completely.

1528
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: Like I think you have to wait to day three

1529
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: to pick this guy because against the NFL competition and mobile,

1530
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: it was really really rough. The last name I will

1531
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,680
Speaker 1: mention here, I'm not going to mention a running back

1532
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: because then I'll just break Tyreek Spears. Uh No was

1533
01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:16,200
Speaker 1: good spirits, one of the best players there. I don't care.

1534
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: Uh Ivan Pace from Cincinnati, the linebacker. I thought he

1535
01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: was really good as well. He's a little bit under size.

1536
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: He's like kind of a Landing Roberts right, Like he's

1537
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: like six one, two hundred and thirty pounds. I think

1538
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:31,679
Speaker 1: Roberts was like six sixty one two thirty five coming out,

1539
01:15:31,720 --> 01:15:35,040
Speaker 1: So they're very very similar type of players. Really explosive

1540
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 1: downhill player, like just he absolutely wrecked. I think it

1541
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,799
Speaker 1: was um the guy that everybody the interior offensive lineman,

1542
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: everybody's been raven about that might be a first round pick.

1543
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: I got it right here. He just took him on

1544
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: in the whole uh Osiris Torn Florida and he hit

1545
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:56,880
Speaker 1: It was like kind of like a butt fumble situation

1546
01:15:56,920 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: where he hit Torn so hard that torn tackle the

1547
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,800
Speaker 1: running back for him, Like that was like how much

1548
01:16:02,800 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: of an impact he made. Was really really good in

1549
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 1: blitz drills in practice as well. He's somebody that really

1550
01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 1: stood out to me. But yeah, Blake Freeland would be

1551
01:16:12,160 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 1: on my downs list, and from this week in mobile,

1552
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,200
Speaker 1: really watching a lot of the tackles I know we

1553
01:16:19,200 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: didn't get today. We got to our senior bull stand.

1554
01:16:21,040 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about Adrian clemm and the coaching staff.

1555
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,160
Speaker 1: Next week, hopefully it will be officially announced that he's

1556
01:16:26,200 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 1: actually coming to the Patriots. Right now, just reported that

1557
01:16:28,720 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: he's coming to the Patriots, So hopefully by next week

1558
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 1: we'll have an official announcement on that. Make sure to

1559
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 1: listen to Alex on the Sports Up tonight from six

1560
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 1: to ten, and we'll be back next week on Thursday,

1561
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,920
Speaker 1: same time, same place for another draft edition, probably very

1562
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 1: draft heavy, maybe some free agency of Catch twenty two.

1563
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,719
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening everybody. We'll see you guys

1564
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:57,679
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1565
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1566
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