WEBVTT - Three Reasons Why for New Coaches

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I just learned this yesterday. I went on his

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<v Speaker 1>I think you hit everything you need to hit.

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<v Speaker 2>So here is the deal, Dan, We've got a game

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<v Speaker 2>today that I'm calling three reasons why. Three reasons why.

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<v Speaker 1>For new coaches. Okay mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, this is a very active coaching carousel,

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<v Speaker 2>was it not.

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<v Speaker 1>Man, it's gonna be a different looking sport in twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna go through one reason why new coaches will work,

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<v Speaker 2>one reason why they won't. You are one pathetic loser whoa?

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<v Speaker 2>And then finally, just one burning question as we head

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<v Speaker 2>into the twenty twenty two seasons. All right, does that

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<v Speaker 2>make sense to you?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll do my best it does.

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<v Speaker 2>I was doing a little shimmy there listening to Bruno.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a sponsor, could be You're suggesting that it's on

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<v Speaker 1>the table that Bruno mars sponsor of the solid verbal.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, okay, if he's looking to attract an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting new demographic, I'm ready, LSU. LSU got rid of coach.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, they're bringing in Brian Kelly, Brian Kelly and his family. Um,

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<v Speaker 2>give me a reason why it's gonna work.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Kelly, if nothing else, is somebody who wins a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of games and a lot of places, understands, we presume,

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<v Speaker 1>what it's like to hire a winning staff, what it's

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<v Speaker 1>like to instill a week to week winning culture, to

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<v Speaker 1>wather down moments, and you know, reverse course, he understands

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<v Speaker 1>how to put together a staff who can recruit. But

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<v Speaker 1>with what he's done at what Central Michigan and Cincinnati

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<v Speaker 1>and Notre Dame and Notre Dame being a humongous place

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<v Speaker 1>with humongous pressure, and the ease with which LSU and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, any SEC team really, if they're on their game,

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<v Speaker 1>can geographically, go out and sell their program and bring

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<v Speaker 1>in top flight players to develop into a top flight team.

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<v Speaker 1>More difficult after Dame, given geography and academic restrictions in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases, but certainly Notre Dame sells itself. But LSU's

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<v Speaker 1>just different. LSU is a team that has actually won

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<v Speaker 1>and played for national championships multiple times, whereas Notre Dame

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't quite get that over that hump and do it

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<v Speaker 1>as consistently as LSU. Everybody wins and wan at LSU,

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<v Speaker 1>and Brian Kelly wins everywhere. So that's the case.

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Kelly's won two hundred and eighty four games if

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<v Speaker 2>you count the twenty one that the NCAA vacated back

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twelve and twenty thirteen, everywhere. As he said,

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<v Speaker 2>Grand Valley State, Central Michigan, Cincinnati a Notre Dame for

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<v Speaker 2>the last twelve years.

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<v Speaker 1>It's notable.

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<v Speaker 2>I think Brian Kelly has been a pretty good recruiter,

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<v Speaker 2>even in that SEC footprint, right, He's recruited nationally at

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<v Speaker 2>Notre Dame. It's just something you have to do. He

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<v Speaker 2>has left every program better than when he found it,

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<v Speaker 2>and in Notre Dame's case, for the last five years

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<v Speaker 2>that's been double digit wins. So I think yeah, on

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<v Speaker 2>the surface, as opposed to some of these other hires

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to discuss here momentarily, there's a very

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<v Speaker 2>promising track record with Brian Kelly that you got to

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<v Speaker 2>feel good about.

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<v Speaker 1>He did it largely and what he rebuilt a down

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<v Speaker 1>noting program that took over and turned into So right

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<v Speaker 1>now you can argue LSU is a down program that

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<v Speaker 1>needs a lot of elbow.

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<v Speaker 2>Grease as for one reason why it won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Work.

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<v Speaker 2>M H. I don't believe for a second that it won't.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is very much a marriage of convenience, and

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<v Speaker 2>as you said, there are previous coaches. Each of the

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<v Speaker 2>last however, many coaches at LSU have won a national championship.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the one goal here if you're Brian Kelly, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a one goal if you're LSU. We have seen Brian

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly in this play before where he's been on a

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<v Speaker 2>big stage, either in a playoff or otherwise in a

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<v Speaker 2>big game, and it has not exactly worked out. Go

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<v Speaker 2>on over to Andy Nation, they'll tell you all about it.

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<v Speaker 2>They've been trying to get rid of Brian Kelly. For

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<v Speaker 2>years because they don't think he performed well in that stage.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a case to be made though that what was

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<v Speaker 2>holding Notre Dame back with Brian Kelly. So with all

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<v Speaker 2>that said, now onto the burning question Dan.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think by the way, everything you said, I

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<v Speaker 1>think is correct. I think the SEC West is harder

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<v Speaker 1>than what Notre Dame has scheduled in recent years, by

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<v Speaker 1>and large, especially with the ACC being down and the

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama exists, they're scheduled in their division every year that

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<v Speaker 1>the case against LSU is the blueprint for historic championship

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<v Speaker 1>football is one of their quote unquote rivals, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is more difficult than playing a down USC or a

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<v Speaker 1>random NC State team or occasionally Clemson. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 1>a more difficult place to meet expectations. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and BK in big games is a work in progress.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's Sure's be honest here. It just is so SEC West. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see what he's made of. That's why they're paying

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<v Speaker 1>the big bucks, and they expect him to win.

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<v Speaker 2>How long of a leash she gets if he doesn't win,

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<v Speaker 2>And again I don't think that he won't size of

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<v Speaker 2>said leash that will be interesting to see, and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's making a lot of money. So it is a

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<v Speaker 1>golden diamond encrusted leash, so he will be given time.

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<v Speaker 1>What is your burning question about BK at LSU, what

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<v Speaker 1>that full staff looks like, and what kind of autonomy

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<v Speaker 1>he has with big decisions, be it with staff, be

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<v Speaker 1>it with getting rid of staff. We saw at Oorzron

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<v Speaker 1>have a lot of latitude in terms of hiring, firing,

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<v Speaker 1>making new decisions quickly cutting the cord when a guy,

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<v Speaker 1>a coordinator isn't working. I assume they're going to invest

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of money in top flight coordinators as they

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<v Speaker 1>have done these past few years, or quote unquote top

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<v Speaker 1>flight quarter coordinators if you look back at the bo

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<v Speaker 1>Polini experiment. But yeah, it's what that offense looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>It's what quarterback looks like. If there was a question

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<v Speaker 1>at Notre Dame, it was a rotating cast of coordinators

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<v Speaker 1>who worked to various degrees. He hired Brian van Goorter, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So his hiring is not bulletproof. His quarterback development and

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<v Speaker 1>evaluation is not bulletproof. And if it doesn't go well

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<v Speaker 1>at LS you it's a nightmare that I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>how quickly he can recover from well.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's my question, can develop a quarterback because the

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<v Speaker 2>best three quarterbacks in the last twelve years at Notre

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<v Speaker 2>Dame have been Ian Book, Deshaun Kaiser, and depending on

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<v Speaker 2>which way the wind blows, either Tommy Reese or ever Golson.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure Book was a good quarterback in college. There was

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<v Speaker 2>a ceiling to what he could give him. He was

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<v Speaker 2>good winning his quarterback in program history. But go back

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<v Speaker 2>and listen to some of my old commentary to get

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<v Speaker 2>how I felt about ian Book sure and how that

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<v Speaker 2>quarterback position developed over the years. It's like seven of

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<v Speaker 2>the twelve seasons in South Bend for BK that he

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<v Speaker 2>had a hard time committing to a quarterback and LSU

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<v Speaker 2>knows that song and dance well, like outside of twenty

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen and obviously twenty nineteen, it's pretty much been a

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<v Speaker 2>deep dark hole outside the Joe Burrow years.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what they're looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking for somebody who call and harness the true

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<v Speaker 2>power of that recruiting operation and the talent that they

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<v Speaker 2>bring on to play as part of that offense.

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<v Speaker 1>So can he do it? At LSU?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if a change of scenery helps him

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<v Speaker 2>do that, but he will have the chance, and I

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<v Speaker 2>think that's going to be truly the burning question for me,

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<v Speaker 2>not just this coming year, but really throughout his entire

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<v Speaker 2>stay in Baton Rouge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, you're totally right, and he's again. I

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the division thing. For whatever reason, we

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<v Speaker 1>are now in a golden era of SEC West quarterbacks.

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<v Speaker 1>With what Alabama does the year after year, we know

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Leach and Lane Kiffin are going to develop, find

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<v Speaker 1>and develop dudes who are productive. Same goes for Jimbo Fisher,

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<v Speaker 1>same goes it seems for Kendall Kendall Briles in Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>with how quickly they got Felipe Franks up to speed,

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<v Speaker 1>and now kJ Jefferson is to me a big national name.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't want to be the one left standing

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<v Speaker 1>without solid to very good quarterback play. When the music stops.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, where do you want to go next? You

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<v Speaker 1>tell me, man, you made the Google doc. Let's go

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<v Speaker 1>to Lincoln Riley.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, and USC Clay Hilton out Lincoln Riley in Here

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<v Speaker 2>is why I think this works. I think this works

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<v Speaker 2>because there are now serious people running the USC football program,

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<v Speaker 2>the athletic department as George Costanza would say, these are

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<v Speaker 2>men with jobs. They've finally gotten away from that whole

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<v Speaker 2>USC guy thing because they've got Mike Bone in from Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not a USC guy. Lincoln Riley clearly not a

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<v Speaker 2>USC guy either. It starts at the top, and now

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<v Speaker 2>there are capable people running this thing, So I feel

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<v Speaker 2>good about that. I think the situation is better, will

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<v Speaker 2>be better now. Lincoln Riley has clearly proven that he

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<v Speaker 2>can develop talent, he can put it into the NFL,

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<v Speaker 2>he can recruit nationally, he can recruit California. He's been

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<v Speaker 2>a perennial top dog in a conference that I'm sorry

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<v Speaker 2>to say is much better than the Pac twelve much

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been doing so for the last couple seasons.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I mean the case for Lincoln rally is very easy.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, his offenses are electric. He produces Heisman winning

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks and high draft picks at receiver, quarterback, running back, whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>The offensive line has been great. And yeah, his path

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<v Speaker 1>towards his path to the playoff within the PAC twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>if USC is merely good, even if they're not great,

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<v Speaker 1>is a lot cleaner than it would be in many

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<v Speaker 1>other conferences. His name came up with the LSU opening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot cleaner that path to get to the

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<v Speaker 1>playoff and restore USC to where its fans think the

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<v Speaker 1>trojan should be in the national conversation with what the

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<v Speaker 1>PAC twelve looks like right now. No, it's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the recruiting is interesting because you know, Southern California is

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<v Speaker 1>not what it was during the Pete Carroll time. And

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<v Speaker 1>I just I think the big thing is the path

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<v Speaker 1>and path and offense I think is the clear case.

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<v Speaker 2>More importantly, the program didn't go off a cliff after

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<v Speaker 2>he took it over for Bob Stoops. Correct, And we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen many a coach step in for a legend and

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<v Speaker 2>go full Thelma and Louise.

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<v Speaker 1>Just true with a couple of years and no, it survived.

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<v Speaker 1>Why won't it work? Dan, give me a reason it

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<v Speaker 1>won't work? Because everybody looks at USC and says, man,

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<v Speaker 1>look what he did at Oklahoma with that offense, Imagine

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<v Speaker 1>what he could do at USC with that path. He's

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<v Speaker 1>bringing the Oklahoma defensive coaches with him, and that's something

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<v Speaker 1>that's interesting, I suppose, And maybe there were reasons it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't work out at Oklahoma, but he recruited good defensive prospects,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of blue chip players on all three levels

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<v Speaker 1>that Oklahoma was able to bring in. It won't work

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<v Speaker 1>because of the defense. It won't work because Lincoln Riley

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<v Speaker 1>has never taken over a down program. He was, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he was handed the keys to a maserati with experience,

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<v Speaker 1>having already driven it some of the time. And at

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<v Speaker 1>USC it's a rebuilt, it's a construction. It's a different place.

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<v Speaker 1>And we think USC has invested resources and is now

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<v Speaker 1>a more serious place with more serious leadership. But we

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<v Speaker 1>actually have to see it right. We don't have actual

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<v Speaker 1>evidence of it yet, And so is it Lincoln. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're also on the heels of Lincoln Riley's arguable worst

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<v Speaker 1>season as an Oklahoma head coach, not making the Big

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<v Speaker 1>Twelve championship game, And so is there any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>momentum to people figuring out Lincoln Riley or people figuring

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<v Speaker 1>out Okay, if he doesn't have a top one pick

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<v Speaker 1>in the NFL Draft, maybe his teams are merely good

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<v Speaker 1>and not great, And so maybe there's that Lincoln Riley

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<v Speaker 1>regressing to becoming a merely very good coach, not a

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<v Speaker 1>coach with an elite reputation.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think we're kind of saying the same thing here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna ask the question about the defense in my

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<v Speaker 2>burning question bit here, But okay, on the specific topic

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<v Speaker 2>of why won't it work? I do think the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of failure is pretty low. But even though he's not

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<v Speaker 2>a USC guy and we feel good about that, they

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<v Speaker 2>did still sort of use the same hiring template, didn't they?

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<v Speaker 2>Like Riley is the latest on this long list of

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<v Speaker 2>up and coming offensive geniuses that USC has tried and

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<v Speaker 2>spit out over.

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<v Speaker 1>The young guns, the hot, sexy Clay Helton type.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know they've tried this before, and albeit now

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<v Speaker 2>with new leadership, perhaps that's more of a fertile crescent

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<v Speaker 2>for a program to rise up and take the playoff

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<v Speaker 2>in the PAC twelve by storm. I don't know, mm hmm,

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<v Speaker 2>but I would like to see one year before I

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<v Speaker 2>fully committed the bit and saying that, yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna work.

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<v Speaker 1>So what's your burning question is defense? You said?

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<v Speaker 2>My burning question is can he toughen up the defense?

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<v Speaker 2>Like you said, he brought over Alex Grinch with him

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<v Speaker 2>from Oklahoma. They're gonna have their work cut out for

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<v Speaker 2>him because this past year for USC, the defense was

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<v Speaker 2>Drake Jackson and then around him ten guys who got

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<v Speaker 2>pushed around, and developing defense has not been his forte.

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<v Speaker 2>He's trying to get better. That's why he brought Alex

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<v Speaker 2>Grinch over from Ohio State a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and there have been marginal improvements there. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is a different kind of rebuild. He's going to

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<v Speaker 2>need to toughen him up, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>we've seen a whole lot of proof that he can

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<v Speaker 2>do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at a certain point, you have to keep going

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<v Speaker 1>further and further back in time for Alex Grinch's success,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's not always the best, right, That's not always

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<v Speaker 1>the like, this is a dude year in and year out,

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<v Speaker 1>he just even producing solid defenses might be an improvement

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<v Speaker 1>over where Oklahoma was. So yeah, I think that's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>an open question. On a coast, in a recruiting footprint

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't produce four five star defensive tackles, edge rushers,

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<v Speaker 1>safe like, it's just that it's your farther and farther

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<v Speaker 1>away geograph, which is why you know I and Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham when we did our show, we talked about the

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<v Speaker 1>national recruiting footprint that USC sees itself with, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>what it'll need to be. It's it's difficult. We both

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<v Speaker 1>feel pretty bullish on this move, though.

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<v Speaker 2>I do. Yeah, okay, let's go on over to the

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<v Speaker 2>replacement at Oklahoma, Lincoln Riley.

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<v Speaker 1>Out Brent Venables in.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this is a much more interesting conversation

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<v Speaker 2>because now we're starting to pop the hood on guys

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<v Speaker 2>who have not any previous college football head coaching experience, right.

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<v Speaker 2>That was sort of a theme with some of these hires.

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<v Speaker 2>These guys come in with much acclaim. Brent Venables is

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<v Speaker 2>no different. Brent Venables knows the place, loves the place,

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<v Speaker 2>is from the general area, coached under great coaches, and

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<v Speaker 2>has been very patient for the right situation. He didn't

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<v Speaker 2>just jump at the first opportunity or knows he had

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of opportunities out there. But one of the

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<v Speaker 2>reasons why I think this will work is because he

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<v Speaker 2>was patient, waited for a situation that he thought was

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<v Speaker 2>good for him. He also knows how to recruit. He

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<v Speaker 2>certainly knows how to build an elite defense, which probably

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<v Speaker 2>means a very high floor like, defenses respond to this guy,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think he will get them playing a tougher,

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<v Speaker 2>better brand of defense in Norman pretty quickly. He also

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<v Speaker 2>did a good job of quelling fears about his offensive

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<v Speaker 2>expertise by hiring away Jeff Lebby from Old Miss to

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<v Speaker 2>run the offense. Now, some folks are mixed on Jeff Lebby,

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<v Speaker 2>there's baggage from the Baylor thing and whatever. But in

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<v Speaker 2>a pure football sense, Jeff Lebby did a good job

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<v Speaker 2>at a really good job with Matt Carrall and Lane

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<v Speaker 2>Kiffin at Old Miss, and so that's a pretty good

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<v Speaker 2>hire as football things go. Those are the reasons why

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<v Speaker 2>I think it will work. He's a good guy, he

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<v Speaker 2>knows the place well, he knows how to recruit. He

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<v Speaker 2>obviously brought in some firepower on offense.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll talk about ted Roof on defense. We'll get to

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<v Speaker 1>that in a second, but yeah, I think ted Roof

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<v Speaker 1>is probably the patsy if things don't start out well

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<v Speaker 1>on defense, and it's Brent Venables's defense, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to move on from ted Roof, right that

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<v Speaker 1>you hired like that patsy guy that is friendly and

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<v Speaker 1>interview as well, But no, I think you made the

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<v Speaker 1>case pretty well. I mean, it's also Brent Venables has

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<v Speaker 1>experienced fielding very strong defenses when his own offense, when

0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:25.360
<v Speaker 1>his own team's offense is explosive and electric, at least

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<v Speaker 1>until this past season, which is where Oklahoma struggled. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have the depth, they didn't have the strategy. They

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<v Speaker 1>weren't able to force the turnovers that a defense that

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<v Speaker 1>sees itself on the field a lot because of a

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<v Speaker 1>quick scoring offense is not always able to do. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, I think that the force of personality, that

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<v Speaker 1>the experience, the stage with which Brent Venables is used

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<v Speaker 1>to winning, it's all a big plus. In his column,

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<v Speaker 1>why won't it work? It won't work because he's a

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<v Speaker 1>first time head coach and it's difficult as a first

0:20:03.560 --> 0:20:08.359
<v Speaker 1>time head coach to take over a major, major, blue

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.800
<v Speaker 1>chip program with expectations on the level of Oklahoma's, which

0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:16.119
<v Speaker 1>should realistically be the playoff. USC's should maybe eventually be

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<v Speaker 1>the playoff. But what Oklahoma has and what Oklahoma invests

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<v Speaker 1>in this program, what they're able to attract in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of national recruits, you know, bringing the number one quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>from the DC area with Caleb Williams, you know, going

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<v Speaker 1>to California, you know, obviously going into Texas, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of pressure to win at Oklahoma. And if he's

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<v Speaker 1>merely good and he is merely running a nine to

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<v Speaker 1>three program, he's a failure. And so that's why it

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<v Speaker 1>won't work. He just he hasn't been in that seat before,

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<v Speaker 1>and to be in that seat for the first time

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<v Speaker 1>with those types of expectations, it's Man, it's a lot

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<v Speaker 1>that day to day of running a huge program all

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<v Speaker 1>the small medium in large elements, it's difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's also moving into the SEC shortly good call,

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<v Speaker 2>which does mean tougher competition on a week to week basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe it's good to get that defense in prime working

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<v Speaker 2>order beforehand. That would serve them. Well, I just wrote

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<v Speaker 2>down ted Roof. I don't I mean ted Roofs. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>sure a nice guy. I don't like ted Roof running

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<v Speaker 2>my defense.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want him. I don't think my defense. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think he's running the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if he's not running it, I don't I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want the leaky Roof anywhere near my defense.

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<v Speaker 1>I honestly I don't think his his his fingerprints will

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<v Speaker 1>be all over this Oklahoma defense in the way like

0:21:33.760 --> 0:21:36.480
<v Speaker 1>he will be tasked with helping to run it. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know who's calling the defensive plays during a game,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't think and I could be wrong. Brent

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<v Speaker 1>Vennable said, Yep, that's my dude. And maybe Ted Roof

0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:47.560
<v Speaker 1>is just an iron chef type. He only wins with

0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:50.520
<v Speaker 1>top top, top, top, top level talent. But also that

0:21:50.760 --> 0:21:52.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of hasn't been the case either, So I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't want I don't want the leaky Roof

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere in my defense. That spooked me a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's kind of like the cooler that the casinos

0:22:01.680 --> 0:22:03.840
<v Speaker 1>bring in when somebody's too hot at the craps table.

0:22:04.680 --> 0:22:08.320
<v Speaker 2>That spooks me to the same degree as Jimmy Lake

0:22:08.400 --> 0:22:09.360
<v Speaker 2>hiring John Donovan.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to say it, Okay, that's reasonable.

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<v Speaker 2>Burning question for me is can he continue the momentum

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<v Speaker 2>on the offensive side of the ball even though he

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<v Speaker 2>hired Leby, Yeah, and even though he held on to

0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Kle Williams. There's an open question for me, like two

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<v Speaker 2>or three years from now, what shape is that offense

0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:34.680
<v Speaker 2>going to take? Because I think whether or not Leby

0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.040
<v Speaker 2>is successful. He's probably destined for a head job somewhere

0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:42.840
<v Speaker 2>relatively soon. And so that means or hire an other people.

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<v Speaker 2>That means you got to continue with that recruiting operation.

0:22:46.720 --> 0:22:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Certainly at the quarterback position. That recruiting operation ran through

0:22:51.400 --> 0:22:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Riley. This is a dude who pumped out Heisman

0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:59.520
<v Speaker 2>Trophy winning quarterbacks first overall draft picks. If you're Caleb

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<v Speaker 2>William or someone like Caleb William Spencer Rattler, why wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>you want to go there?

0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Now?

0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:10.480
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't have that same level of cachet, So what's

0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:12.520
<v Speaker 2>it look like a couple of years down the road.

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:17.240
<v Speaker 2>On the offensive side, especially defensively, we know the drill there. Defensively,

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:19.280
<v Speaker 2>he puts guys in the league. We saw it did

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<v Speaker 2>at Clempson. Everywhere he's been he's done a good job

0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.520
<v Speaker 2>with defense. But offensively, even with a really good coordinator,

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<v Speaker 2>that to me is is the burning question. I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what to make of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's totally reasonable. And some of the

0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:36.800
<v Speaker 1>continuity for Oklahoma, especially Bill beat and Bow up front,

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:39.879
<v Speaker 1>certainly is an amazing starting point. His reputation as an

0:23:39.920 --> 0:23:41.879
<v Speaker 1>offensive line coach, But You're right. It's when you have

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:46.800
<v Speaker 1>these defensive standout minds taking over a full program, what

0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>do they want their offense to be like? And we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen it time after time where defensive coaches want the

0:23:52.600 --> 0:23:54.960
<v Speaker 1>offense to serve the defense. They want ball control, they

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:57.720
<v Speaker 1>want the defense rested, they want to dominate the game

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:00.520
<v Speaker 1>via defense. They don't want to play with pace because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they don't want to risk getting off the

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<v Speaker 1>field super quickly. And so is Brent Venables open to

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<v Speaker 1>airing it out, letting it fly, playing quickly, you know,

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.119
<v Speaker 1>playing creative RPO stuff, which obviously comes with you know,

0:24:12.160 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>the Jeff Lebby fingerprints on the offense. I don't know

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:19.520
<v Speaker 1>what Jeff Lebby's play calling experience was under both Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Hipel and Lane Kiff, And I know Lane Kiffin called

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<v Speaker 1>the plays last year for Ole Miss. So to what

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<v Speaker 1>degree was Lebby involved with the architecture of that offense?

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<v Speaker 1>My guess is significantly. But yeah, I think you're right,

0:24:31.680 --> 0:24:34.760
<v Speaker 1>what is the vision for this offense with Brent Venables

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<v Speaker 1>perspective coming from the defensive side? Defensive? So I'm right

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<v Speaker 1>there with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, Let's go out west to Washington. Your favorite school.

0:24:44.880 --> 0:24:46.920
<v Speaker 1>I like Washington. That's right on a lake. Seattle is

0:24:46.920 --> 0:24:48.040
<v Speaker 1>a great city. It's wonderful.

0:24:49.160 --> 0:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Lake out, Caitlin de boor In.

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<v Speaker 1>I love this higher Okay, talk to me. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is low key my favorite hire of the cycle.

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<v Speaker 2>What it is?

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<v Speaker 1>It is wow? Okay, I love this move. I love it.

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:12.399
<v Speaker 2>He's forty seven and seventy nine and nine as a

0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:14.840
<v Speaker 2>head coach if you count the two years at Fresno

0:25:14.920 --> 0:25:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and the five years before that at Sioux Falls, which

0:25:18.000 --> 0:25:21.200
<v Speaker 2>is lower level of college football granted, but won three

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:26.720
<v Speaker 2>championships there. He has had an almost instant impact everywhere

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:29.800
<v Speaker 2>he's gone, especially on offense. Mainly on offense. That's been

0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:34.320
<v Speaker 2>his nay right yep, sort of an understated guy, like

0:25:34.440 --> 0:25:36.760
<v Speaker 2>a really good cultural fit for that part of the

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.040
<v Speaker 2>country in the Pacific Northwest. He brings over Ryan Grubb,

0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 2>who was his OC at Fresno, and that was a

0:25:42.720 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 2>good Fresno team. They made a former Husky quarterback and

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.159
<v Speaker 2>j Camp looked really good. Just a lot to like

0:25:49.240 --> 0:25:51.760
<v Speaker 2>you made Michael Penick junior. Michael Pennix liked him so

0:25:51.880 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 2>much he's transferring up to Washington now. H So this

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.359
<v Speaker 2>is a guy who, by all accounts and x's and

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>o's genie, seems like he fits in very well culturally.

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<v Speaker 2>I do have some questions about the recruiting, which we

0:26:06.480 --> 0:26:10.200
<v Speaker 2>can talk about, but talk me off that position, Dan, Yeah,

0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>I mean the case I think you nailed the case

0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:14.600
<v Speaker 2>for it's is really as simple as he wins everywhere

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:18.680
<v Speaker 2>he's been on smaller, medium, and larger levels in the

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Mountain West.

0:26:19.520 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 1>Now he hasn't run a program of this size. And

0:26:22.840 --> 0:26:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the expectations in Washington are winning eight plus games, competing

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>at their best, competing for a conference crown, and given

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, expectations in the history of Washington at its best,

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and this was a playoff team what five years ago,

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:42.239
<v Speaker 1>So it's not unrealistic to say they should be at

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.440
<v Speaker 1>their best and when they're at their most experience and

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.399
<v Speaker 1>when they've nailed evaluation and development, they should be winning

0:26:47.560 --> 0:26:50.520
<v Speaker 1>ten plus games at their best, not every year, but

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.440
<v Speaker 1>when they're hitting their ceiling. The question to me is

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<v Speaker 1>Oregon's not going anywhere. To me, USC is improving, Wazoo

0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>will see Stanford is down. The Arizona schools are. I mean,

0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.320
<v Speaker 1>I think Arizona is heading in the right direction, but

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:09.679
<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a while. UCLA I think is decent.

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>But is Kaylin de Borr able to acquire and develop

0:27:14.920 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 1>talent recruiting against the West Coast powers and obviously Utah

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.800
<v Speaker 1>is a year and a year out very good. Is

0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>he going to be able to build a roster to

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<v Speaker 1>compete to win nine plus games? Because I think they

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.879
<v Speaker 1>can win eight or nine, But I don't know about

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.880
<v Speaker 1>his ceiling if he's not able to bring in top

0:27:33.000 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 1>flight talent, and so what I've seen from the staff

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:40.840
<v Speaker 1>hires early is familiarity. I'm curious to see. I think

0:27:40.840 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 1>it's more of an open question. How much does Washington

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 1>invest in recruiting. Chris Peterson really built a recruiting operation

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 1>in Seattle and they were fielding top flight recruiting classes

0:27:50.200 --> 0:27:53.159
<v Speaker 1>and taking advantage of SARKS classes as well. Just the

0:27:53.280 --> 0:27:55.399
<v Speaker 1>question to me is what does the talent level look like?

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Are they going to rely solely on development? And if so,

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:02.080
<v Speaker 1>that that's great, but that's sort of that that's when

0:28:02.080 --> 0:28:04.800
<v Speaker 1>you get into that nine win ceiling. So on the margins,

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:07.320
<v Speaker 1>how talented will Washington be in three years is my

0:28:07.400 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>open question. Yeah, I think we're both sort of saying

0:28:12.359 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 1>the same thing. Yeah, when we talk about the reason

0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 1>it won't work as well as the burning question totally,

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>can he build a recruiting operation that can match up

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>with the likes of Oregon? Schematically, everyone loves him, everyone

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>thinks he's a genius. Schematically sure, but the recruiting side

0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:34.400
<v Speaker 1>of this is very interesting to me. And on some level, Yeah,

0:28:34.400 --> 0:28:37.800
<v Speaker 1>you got to take that recruiting operation up a peg,

0:28:38.600 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 1>and you've got to find a way to bring in

0:28:40.400 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>that top flight talent and develop that that gives you

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the higher ceiling. I don't know, I don't know if

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>we've seen that he can do that yet. And so Washington,

0:28:49.440 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>by the way, the state of is an underrated place

0:28:53.000 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 1>in terms of recruits. And we've seen the path from

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.800
<v Speaker 1>Washington to Ohio state look fertile. You know, JT Toamalu,

0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:04.280
<v Speaker 1>A couple of receivers these past couple of years heading

0:29:04.280 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 1>to Ohio State. It's can he even just keep those

0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:10.080
<v Speaker 1>kids home? Can he convince and build the Washington brand

0:29:10.120 --> 0:29:14.480
<v Speaker 1>to a point where top flight Northwest recruits are saying, yeah,

0:29:14.640 --> 0:29:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Washington's the move, not even just Oregon, not even USC,

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>but staying away from Notre Dame Michigan. You know Ohio

0:29:23.520 --> 0:29:26.840
<v Speaker 1>state obviously that you know teams nationally are going to

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Northwest, and so it's rebuilding Washington from the

0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>failed Jimmy Lake experiment.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dan, if only for dramatic interlude, It's our

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<v Speaker 2>DraftKings Game of the Week, presented by the DraftKings Sports Book.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this on the Monday Show. We're getting

0:29:49.640 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 2>closer to the playoff. This show dropping on Wednesday, the

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:57.920
<v Speaker 2>playoff on Friday. Again, it's Michigan, it's Georgia right now.

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:00.920
<v Speaker 2>Georgia favored by seven and a half. You're over under

0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:05.280
<v Speaker 2>listed at forty five points. It's like a freaking NFL game.

0:30:05.880 --> 0:30:07.640
<v Speaker 2>This is the game that I am looking forward to.

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 2>It is on Friday evening. I need to find a

0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 2>way to watch this game amid the other New Year's

0:30:14.320 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Eve festivities. Thanks Bill Hancock. But I'm excited. I'm excited

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>for this game. I am still on Georgia minus the

0:30:22.080 --> 0:30:25.560
<v Speaker 2>seven and a half. You I believe are on Michigan

0:30:25.720 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 2>plus the seven and a half.

0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:28.600
<v Speaker 1>Who are you picking out right?

0:30:28.680 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 2>One more time?

0:30:30.480 --> 0:30:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Michigan the Wolverines. I'm staying with it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you saying that because you believe it, or because

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 2>you want to stay married.

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 1>I believe it now. I do believe it because I

0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:44.200
<v Speaker 1>was on a podcast and one of the hosts brought

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:46.840
<v Speaker 1>up a good point that Georgia is secretly like the

0:30:47.000 --> 0:30:50.720
<v Speaker 1>super rich Man's the billionaires Big Ten team with winning

0:30:50.800 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 1>with defense and ball control efficiency and a quarterback who

0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.960
<v Speaker 1>is good and make plays, but it makes plays but

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.520
<v Speaker 1>is not always. This is not an electric, explosive offense

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:04.720
<v Speaker 1>from Georgia all of the time, especially without having the

0:31:05.160 --> 0:31:09.040
<v Speaker 1>consistent speed and playmaking outside. And so I just think

0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Michigan may just be built via their pass rush, via

0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.680
<v Speaker 1>the creativity of this offense, and even without Ronnie Bell.

0:31:17.160 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm curious about, like, what would your case be for

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>the under? Just that the quarter you know, Cad mcnamaraanstats

0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>and bended are underwhelming. What's the case for the under

0:31:25.760 --> 0:31:28.720
<v Speaker 1>of forty five so that we get like a twenty

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>three to twenty game or something like that.

0:31:31.480 --> 0:31:35.120
<v Speaker 2>The case for the under is that, frankly, both defenses

0:31:35.440 --> 0:31:40.880
<v Speaker 2>overpower the opposing rules. Yeah, Michigan's defense is able to

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:45.120
<v Speaker 2>confuse and curtail and keep down the Georgia offense, which

0:31:45.160 --> 0:31:49.440
<v Speaker 2>by the way, is entirely plausible. Entirely plausible. Georgie's offense

0:31:49.440 --> 0:31:52.000
<v Speaker 2>against good defense. This is not something we've seen a

0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>whole lot of this season, So I think that for sure.

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>And then on the flip side, George's defense. We know

0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.920
<v Speaker 2>all about the George defense, been singing its praises all year.

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.120
<v Speaker 2>Can they stop what Michigan wants to do, which is

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>run the ball forty times?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Absolutely?

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:09.960
<v Speaker 2>And so if this turns into a rock fight between

0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.400
<v Speaker 2>Stetson Bennett and Cade McNamara, yeah, I feel pretty good

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 2>about that under. I would track towards the under if

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:18.560
<v Speaker 2>I were actually betting. I'm not good at over under,

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>so maybe don't take my word for it. But at

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 2>forty five points in a game where both teams are

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:26.480
<v Speaker 2>probably terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>Of making the big mistake, yeah, totally can see the under. Yeah,

0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.160
<v Speaker 1>And it's one of those things also where I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the largest number of points a team scored

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<v Speaker 1>against Georgia. Was it Tennessee, was it Kentucky? There wasn't

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.400
<v Speaker 1>a lot of points scored against this defense before Alabama.

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:46.840
<v Speaker 1>It was seventeen points. That's yeah, that's not many points

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<v Speaker 2>the coaching circuit, Dan, talk to me about Florida, m.

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<v Speaker 1>Florida's fascinating. Florida's fascinating. The case for billion Apier is

0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:46.120
<v Speaker 1>he has major experience programs, major experience, program experience, major

0:33:46.160 --> 0:33:49.720
<v Speaker 1>program experience. That's English, right. He has the experience, he

0:33:49.720 --> 0:33:52.040
<v Speaker 1>has experience winning, he has experienced as a head coach.

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:57.920
<v Speaker 1>He comes in with obviously high expectations at Florida, given

0:33:58.480 --> 0:34:01.240
<v Speaker 1>where Georgia is as a program, given where we believe

0:34:01.320 --> 0:34:04.240
<v Speaker 1>the SEC East is going. You know, Kentucky has ascended

0:34:04.280 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>to a good place. Tennessee we think is on the

0:34:06.160 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>way up. South Carolina appears to be on the way up,

0:34:10.000 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's a you know, we'll see with Missoo, I suppose,

0:34:13.040 --> 0:34:17.960
<v Speaker 1>but they're recruiting very well, and expectations at Florida are

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 1>compete to win the East, compete to win the conference,

0:34:21.080 --> 0:34:23.760
<v Speaker 1>and if you win the conference, it's compete in the playoff.

0:34:24.360 --> 0:34:28.839
<v Speaker 1>And Billy Napier is a proven head coach who has

0:34:28.920 --> 0:34:31.279
<v Speaker 1>won big games relative to the place he was at

0:34:31.320 --> 0:34:36.279
<v Speaker 1>in Louisiana and won that conference, and comes in, as

0:34:37.560 --> 0:34:40.800
<v Speaker 1>I suppose, by all indications, a grown up running a

0:34:40.880 --> 0:34:43.719
<v Speaker 1>program that very much needs a grown up running it.

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:47.320
<v Speaker 1>And you know, there's there's definitely we'll see elements, and

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:51.520
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely, I suppose, cases against it. But in terms

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:54.839
<v Speaker 1>of his resume, in terms of his reputation, I don't

0:34:54.880 --> 0:34:57.720
<v Speaker 1>know what more you would like to see from somebody

0:34:58.160 --> 0:34:59.560
<v Speaker 1>coming from the G five level.

0:35:00.360 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>He's forty two, he's familiar with the area. He's already

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 2>forty one to twelve as a head coach at Louisiana,

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.040
<v Speaker 2>which is a good base. He's coached under both Dabo

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 2>and Nick Saban, which is sort of like going to

0:35:12.719 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 2>both Harvard and Yale. It was the least spectacular big hire,

0:35:18.040 --> 0:35:21.080
<v Speaker 2>and I think you always feel good about Yeah, Florida, Florida.

0:35:21.160 --> 0:35:25.879
<v Speaker 2>This monster job somehow flew completely under the radar. As

0:35:26.120 --> 0:35:29.480
<v Speaker 2>USC and LSU and Oregon in Miami and Notre Dame,

0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>we're all doing their thing and just it worked into

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:36.880
<v Speaker 2>a frenzy. This was a very unspectacular hire. And what

0:35:37.000 --> 0:35:40.040
<v Speaker 2>I like about it is there's no stick is there,

0:35:41.360 --> 0:35:46.160
<v Speaker 2>there's no show. He's an adult. His teams were rock solid,

0:35:47.800 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 2>and they were always good, and they were at a

0:35:50.440 --> 0:35:53.200
<v Speaker 2>clear talent disadvantage when they played some teams from the

0:35:53.239 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>Power five, but they were always competitive. And they played

0:35:56.160 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 2>Iowa State beat I twelve runner up Iowa State. Yeah,

0:36:01.320 --> 0:36:03.480
<v Speaker 2>and so this is just a guy who knows how

0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:06.080
<v Speaker 2>to coach really good football and he does it the

0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:08.440
<v Speaker 2>right way. And he's going to have his work cut

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:13.000
<v Speaker 2>out for him now because he's not playing Louisiana competition.

0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:16.640
<v Speaker 2>He's playing the SEC East. That's really my only case

0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:20.479
<v Speaker 2>against I like the billiy Napier higher. We brought Bruce

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:23.319
<v Speaker 2>Felman on the program, you know a couple of weeks ago,

0:36:23.400 --> 0:36:26.600
<v Speaker 2>months ago now, and it seemed as if the Napier

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>High was sort of a no brainer to Florida. Everyone

0:36:30.000 --> 0:36:32.520
<v Speaker 2>wanted to move, he wanted it. It happened very quickly.

0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>The case against, I think, is that it's the SEC East, and.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:39.839
<v Speaker 1>The SEC East has.

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Gotten demonstrably tougher in the last year and a half.

0:36:43.080 --> 0:36:45.760
<v Speaker 2>Even if you win all the games you're quote unquote

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>supposed to, that's like a ten and two season. Dan

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Mullen did that twice. Dan Mullen went to three New

0:36:53.280 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Year six Bowl games.

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.520
<v Speaker 1>They canned him the first time. He didn't go to one.

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Now I get that there are extenuating circumstances, and we

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 2>could talk about.

0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:03.759
<v Speaker 1>The mollenisms if we want to.

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:09.839
<v Speaker 2>But the bar is much much higher at Florida than

0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 2>it is at a place like Louisiana. That side of

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the conference is getting more difficult. New teams are coming

0:37:16.040 --> 0:37:18.600
<v Speaker 2>into the conference, which is going to make it even

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:21.240
<v Speaker 2>more difficult than it's been over the last decade plus,

0:37:22.000 --> 0:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>and so we just have not seen Napier coach on

0:37:25.080 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>this level. That's not necessarily a reason why it won't.

0:37:29.200 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 2>It's a reason why it might not. But I feel

0:37:32.160 --> 0:37:35.080
<v Speaker 2>really good about the higher. I just I question about

0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.800
<v Speaker 2>him running a job this big, an operation.

0:37:38.520 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 1>This huge. Also, if you look at programs with the

0:37:43.520 --> 0:37:49.479
<v Speaker 1>expectations of a Florida, a University of Florida Gators, which

0:37:49.640 --> 0:37:54.400
<v Speaker 1>programs across the nation have succeeded on that level hiring

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.719
<v Speaker 1>from a group of five school, a head coach from

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 1>the group of five now Chris Peterson Washington took them

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.040
<v Speaker 1>to the playoff. Ultimately long term didn't work out. But

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:09.839
<v Speaker 1>who else, Right, It's a lot of internal hires, It's

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.759
<v Speaker 1>a lot of coordinators from huge places. In the case

0:38:12.800 --> 0:38:15.760
<v Speaker 1>of Michigan this year, it was Jim Harbaugh at Stanford,

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 1>Jim Harbaugh with the forty nine ers, Jim Harbaugh at Michigan.

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 1>And so that leap is not always the most successful

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:26.399
<v Speaker 1>one at a major place. Maybe I'm not thinking of one,

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.640
<v Speaker 1>but in terms of track record of winning major conference

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 1>getting to the playoff, who is there? Is there another

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:36.480
<v Speaker 1>name across the country? We are like this guy worked

0:38:36.480 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>at a G five place and is now killing it

0:38:38.880 --> 0:38:42.239
<v Speaker 1>at a huge job at a you know, a power

0:38:42.320 --> 0:38:45.680
<v Speaker 1>five school. Maybe I'm missing it, but you know, if

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.120
<v Speaker 1>it's I guess Lane Kiffin at FAU. If that's the goal.

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:52.239
<v Speaker 1>But Lane Kiffin obviously had a lot of major head

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 1>coaching experience at you know, Tennessee briefly and USC. So

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.879
<v Speaker 1>where where is the track record? Necessarily? That's what I'm

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>curious about. It doesn't mean he can't do it, It

0:39:01.840 --> 0:39:03.399
<v Speaker 1>just means it hasn't been done a ton.

0:39:03.760 --> 0:39:07.279
<v Speaker 2>I think the burning question for me is, you know,

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:09.960
<v Speaker 2>as we alluded here, Florida made them move away from

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Dan Mullen for a number of reasons, notably because of

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 2>concerns in the recruiting operation. Right also he basically lost

0:39:17.160 --> 0:39:20.680
<v Speaker 2>the team, which that happens, you're pretty much dead, doesn't

0:39:20.719 --> 0:39:24.680
<v Speaker 2>matter what you did. But can Napier build that type

0:39:24.719 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 2>of operation on the recruiting trail that's going to rival Georgia,

0:39:29.120 --> 0:39:33.200
<v Speaker 2>that's going to rival even South Carolina. South Carolina is

0:39:33.239 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 2>bringing in Spencer Rattler. I mean, they're all up in

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:36.640
<v Speaker 2>their game.

0:39:37.360 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>In the SEC.

0:39:39.080 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Tennessee is doing a good job, Kentucky is doing a

0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.720
<v Speaker 2>good job. Like this is a side of the conference

0:39:44.760 --> 0:39:48.200
<v Speaker 2>that has gotten a lot lot better very quickly. Can

0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:51.480
<v Speaker 2>he build an operation that's going to rival the competition

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 2>on the side of on that side of the conference

0:39:54.880 --> 0:39:57.360
<v Speaker 2>and in the short term and still more discipline on

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 2>the roster because these guys did give up off for Yeah,

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 2>they don't want to be there.

0:40:02.480 --> 0:40:04.680
<v Speaker 1>So I'm curious. I'm very curious to see what he

0:40:04.719 --> 0:40:07.600
<v Speaker 1>can do on that front. On the recruiting trail, Yeah, well,

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 1>how good is he at rebooting the Florida brand after

0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 1>it suffered both in terms of the on field product

0:40:12.560 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 1>and on the recruiting trail also just an open question

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:18.279
<v Speaker 1>and not necessarily why he won't succeed. But now in

0:40:18.400 --> 0:40:22.480
<v Speaker 1>his state at Miami is one of the best five

0:40:22.520 --> 0:40:25.120
<v Speaker 1>recruiters in the nation that they're competing against for in

0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>state kids, which is not always the case when you

0:40:29.120 --> 0:40:32.200
<v Speaker 1>look at some previous Miami head coaches. Not that Miami

0:40:32.239 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 1>hasn't recruited well, but now that's going to be what

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:39.440
<v Speaker 1>we presume to be an in state machine, unlike you know,

0:40:39.640 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>maybe the height of Florida state for sure under Jimbo was.

0:40:43.040 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>But that's definitely a new challenge. I would say for Florida,

0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.200
<v Speaker 1>why don't we go there? Next, it's a pro segue.

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about Mario Christobal, Mario crystal Ball for the

0:40:55.160 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 2>cultured among us. Going back home to Miami, christ Ball

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.680
<v Speaker 2>played their offensive line back in the heyday for Miami

0:41:04.719 --> 0:41:07.960
<v Speaker 2>football is Miami guy. He knows what the U is

0:41:08.000 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 2>all about. He is an ace recruiter. He is a

0:41:10.920 --> 0:41:14.440
<v Speaker 2>very good coach. There is a lot to like about

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.520
<v Speaker 2>the Crystal Ball situation. Those are the reasons why it

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:21.480
<v Speaker 2>will work. I have more reasons why I don't think

0:41:21.520 --> 0:41:25.279
<v Speaker 2>it will. I have other burning questions, but outside of

0:41:25.320 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 2>the recruiting, outside of his familiarity with that part of

0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:33.480
<v Speaker 2>the country, with this part of college football, give me

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:34.879
<v Speaker 2>some other reasons why it'll work.

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Remind me who played in the ACC championship game this year.

0:41:40.880 --> 0:41:43.840
<v Speaker 1>That's a reason it'll work. If you have to merely

0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:46.200
<v Speaker 1>be better than pitt and Wake Forest to win the

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:50.040
<v Speaker 1>conference as it stands now, I understand Clemson is in

0:41:50.120 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 1>this conference. I understand Florida State and a potentially improved,

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.319
<v Speaker 1>revised Florida State is in this conference. I understand North

0:41:57.360 --> 0:41:59.719
<v Speaker 1>Carolina and the way they've recruited, and the way that

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 1>the best of North Carolina is is in this conference.

0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:05.719
<v Speaker 1>In NC State. There are cases to be made for

0:42:05.840 --> 0:42:08.840
<v Speaker 1>several programs, but the two that broke through are Pittenway

0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:15.120
<v Speaker 1>Forest so merely being talented and winning games and more

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:19.080
<v Speaker 1>talented than everybody maybe save for Clemson of in two

0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>three years or whatever. Should be enough for Miami to

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 1>win a ton of games. And they have a quarterback,

0:42:26.160 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, Mario christaball inheriting the quarterback has been a

0:42:28.680 --> 0:42:31.800
<v Speaker 1>thing already and he's won conferences with that inherited quarterback.

0:42:33.160 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 1>We like Tyler van dim a considerable amounts. That's a

0:42:36.480 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 1>great starting point. When you have quarterback and recruiting, you

0:42:39.120 --> 0:42:42.880
<v Speaker 1>can go a long ways. And Mario Cristobal has apparently

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:46.319
<v Speaker 1>had the resources added to the program that he felt

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.320
<v Speaker 1>were necessary for Miami to compete with the best of

0:42:49.360 --> 0:42:52.080
<v Speaker 1>the best nationally. We'll see if it works out. We'll

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:56.160
<v Speaker 1>see if it's an actual long term dedication. But everything

0:42:56.280 --> 0:42:59.160
<v Speaker 1>is in place for Miami to win a ton of

0:42:59.239 --> 0:43:04.399
<v Speaker 1>games with a ton of really good players. The situation's

0:43:04.400 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>a mess. It's a mess.

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:12.200
<v Speaker 2>And I know that you got this infusion of cash

0:43:12.320 --> 0:43:15.759
<v Speaker 2>now into the athletic program, and that's why they went

0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.839
<v Speaker 2>out and they poached Mario as well as Dan Radakaevich

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:21.800
<v Speaker 2>brought him over from Clemson to be the athletic director.

0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 2>There's talk about building stadiums on campus and upgrading facilities

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 2>and just as he said, putting all the things in

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:31.320
<v Speaker 2>place that they feel they need to revive the program.

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 2>That's all great, but that stuff does not happen overnight. Dan,

0:43:38.560 --> 0:43:40.439
<v Speaker 2>If we're gonna I think Mario knows that, but yeah,

0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:41.320
<v Speaker 2>he knows it.

0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Do Miami people know it?

0:43:43.880 --> 0:43:46.839
<v Speaker 2>Because if we're gonna dunk on USC for going after

0:43:46.920 --> 0:43:49.279
<v Speaker 2>all the USC guys, the same should hold true here.

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Miami has been a program that has arguably been much

0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 2>worse at following that same playbook over the last decade.

0:43:57.320 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 2>And so we can talk a great game about all

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:02.600
<v Speaker 2>these things that they're gonna to fix the program, but

0:44:03.520 --> 0:44:06.360
<v Speaker 2>really what I question is what is the definition of

0:44:06.440 --> 0:44:10.120
<v Speaker 2>success here? How are we going to score? How Mario

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 2>crystal ball does? As I understand it, Over the last decade,

0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:15.680
<v Speaker 2>there have really been two measures for head football coach

0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:18.839
<v Speaker 2>at Miami. Number one, are you Miami enough for the job?

0:44:19.480 --> 0:44:23.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, like this this purity test, this purity test

0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.200
<v Speaker 2>that's sort of a pre wreck for the job, And

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:27.239
<v Speaker 2>it was, oh, well, Manny Diaz is from here.

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:29.200
<v Speaker 1>But he's not Mario who played here. Oh okay.

0:44:30.040 --> 0:44:32.920
<v Speaker 2>And then once you're in too, are you winning national championships?

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 2>There has to be some middle ground, like maybe we

0:44:36.360 --> 0:44:39.160
<v Speaker 2>start with getting to the ACC title game. Maybe we

0:44:39.280 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 2>start there, or maybe we get the ten wins to

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:44.440
<v Speaker 2>a better bowl game or something of the sort. But

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.520
<v Speaker 2>there has to be some middle ground that we can

0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>grade Crystal Ball on something of a curve, somewhere between

0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>being here and playing here and being beloved here and

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:58.120
<v Speaker 2>winning national championships. We need some dose of realism here

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:01.359
<v Speaker 2>in this program. So all the good stuff is, let's

0:45:01.360 --> 0:45:04.600
<v Speaker 2>build the stadium on campus, Let's get the athletic department

0:45:04.680 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 2>in order, let's spend more money on the football program.

0:45:07.680 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 1>Let's get there. But in the interim, the.

0:45:09.800 --> 0:45:12.640
<v Speaker 2>Program is still sort of a mess, and we need

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:16.200
<v Speaker 2>to rebalance expectations a bit because he's not going to

0:45:16.239 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>win a national championship that quickly.

0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Not saying you won't do it.

0:45:19.520 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 2>He's a good coach, but it's going to take a

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:24.080
<v Speaker 2>while to get there, to get to the ACC title game,

0:45:24.440 --> 0:45:27.240
<v Speaker 2>to do these interim things that need to happen first.

0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:30.800
<v Speaker 2>And so for me, why won't it happen? A? The

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:35.360
<v Speaker 2>situation's a mess, and B what is the definition for success?

0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:38.120
<v Speaker 2>That's my burning question. I want to know how are

0:45:38.160 --> 0:45:40.799
<v Speaker 2>we grading Mario crystal ball, and what are Miami fans

0:45:40.880 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>saying after year one, if he goes eight and four.

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Do you have a favorite Miami ACC championship? There have been, Sonny,

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:52.680
<v Speaker 1>we have it there. It's so hard to pick. Miami's

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>not an ACC championship program. I mean, that's the reality

0:45:55.600 --> 0:45:58.840
<v Speaker 1>in which we live. Maybe that changes, but we have

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a lot of data to suggest that Miami as an institution,

0:46:02.640 --> 0:46:04.799
<v Speaker 1>which is what Bill c Is quickly quick to point

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.720
<v Speaker 1>out is sometimes you don't blame coaches, you blame places.

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:13.240
<v Speaker 1>There are reasons places can't win, and Miami doesn't fully

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:17.440
<v Speaker 1>reflect USC. But there are some faint whiffs of USC

0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>hiring a Miami guy, big city, big expectations to get

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:24.759
<v Speaker 1>back to pass glory without actually doing what it takes

0:46:24.800 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 1>to win, you know, the step before that or the

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:28.400
<v Speaker 1>three steps before that.

0:46:28.960 --> 0:46:29.279
<v Speaker 2>And so.

0:46:31.000 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of talk tie, there's not a lot

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:38.120
<v Speaker 1>of walk so far. Right, So I'm just talking about

0:46:38.120 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the last twenty years, not necessarily Mario Cristobal's tenure. That's

0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 1>the issue to me, that there's gonna be a crazy

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:47.760
<v Speaker 1>amount of pressure on Mario Cristobal because of his status

0:46:47.800 --> 0:46:49.880
<v Speaker 1>as an alumnus and you know, player for the Kaynes

0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:52.960
<v Speaker 1>and also Miami is just not a conference championship program.

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:58.200
<v Speaker 1>It's just not. Again, it can change, but sometimes we

0:46:58.360 --> 0:47:02.920
<v Speaker 1>are who we are at a certain point and can change.

0:47:03.400 --> 0:47:06.000
<v Speaker 1>But there are reasons why Miami hasn't been there. And

0:47:06.120 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 1>so this is it's not like I was like a booster, Right,

0:47:09.920 --> 0:47:11.560
<v Speaker 1>there's a billionaire booster who was like, I'm going to

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:14.000
<v Speaker 1>tear down a middle school and build a stadium, and

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it just didn't happen. Right, it just is not happening.

0:47:16.640 --> 0:47:20.520
<v Speaker 1>I haven't seen blueprints, I haven't seen bulldozers. So it's

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.200
<v Speaker 1>it's a program built around talk and not necessarily built

0:47:24.200 --> 0:47:28.680
<v Speaker 1>around walk. Maybe it changes, but again, sometimes we just

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:29.279
<v Speaker 1>are who we are.

0:47:30.520 --> 0:47:34.520
<v Speaker 2>The swagger baby got to bring the swagger back since

0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:35.399
<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty nine.

0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:37.759
<v Speaker 1>Okay, by the way, the open question, the open question

0:47:37.840 --> 0:47:41.880
<v Speaker 1>to me is offense and offensive coordinator and what the

0:47:42.000 --> 0:47:44.640
<v Speaker 1>vision is going to look like that's different than what

0:47:44.920 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 1>really did hold Oregon back. Yeah, that's the question for

0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:51.759
<v Speaker 1>me with Miami. Not necessarily can he get them back

0:47:51.800 --> 0:47:54.399
<v Speaker 1>to glory or whatever, but the actual in the next

0:47:54.440 --> 0:47:57.400
<v Speaker 1>two years question is how is it different than what

0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.799
<v Speaker 1>held Oregon back? And yet to see.

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>All right, let's go on up to the Pacific Northwest.

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:06.880
<v Speaker 2>Let's pull in this thread a little bit more crystal

0:48:06.920 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 2>ball bolts. He goes back home to Miami, Dan Lanning.

0:48:12.520 --> 0:48:16.080
<v Speaker 2>Dan Lanning is your new head football coach at Oregon.

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 2>Dan Lanning gonna be calling the plays for Georgia as

0:48:19.280 --> 0:48:22.839
<v Speaker 2>defensive coordinator in the playoff game against Michigan, so we'll

0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:26.359
<v Speaker 2>get one final look at him. I guess, I guess

0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:28.560
<v Speaker 2>if they go to the National Championship, he'd call him again.

0:48:28.640 --> 0:48:31.040
<v Speaker 1>But we'll see. I mean, he could always be Lane

0:48:31.080 --> 0:48:33.040
<v Speaker 1>kiffined right where you're just like, I don't dig your

0:48:33.080 --> 0:48:36.560
<v Speaker 1>head's here, bye bye. Between those two games, who knows.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>We'll have to wait and see what happens if they

0:48:38.440 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 2>end up winning. But for the time being, anyway, we'll

0:48:40.760 --> 0:48:43.360
<v Speaker 2>see more of him and his work at Georgia. He

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.360
<v Speaker 2>is young, he is charismatic, He is an awesome recruiter.

0:48:47.640 --> 0:48:50.520
<v Speaker 2>He has no familiarity with the Pacific Northwest. He's a

0:48:50.719 --> 0:48:53.880
<v Speaker 2>first time head football coach. He's gonna be put in

0:48:54.000 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 2>charge of this big operation. Where are we at on,

0:48:56.719 --> 0:48:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Dan Lanning?

0:48:57.239 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Why will it work? Why won't it work? And what's

0:48:59.200 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 1>your biggest question. Uh, it will work because of his

0:49:03.320 --> 0:49:08.040
<v Speaker 1>reputation connecting with kids and recruits and people within the program,

0:49:08.160 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 1>and his reputation, his energy, given his age. You know,

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 1>everybody is you know, wants the next Sean McVay, right,

0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 1>everybody wants the next Who's is the Packers coach? Could?

0:49:17.160 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know the names of these young coaches in

0:49:18.680 --> 0:49:21.640
<v Speaker 1>the NFL, but everybody is like seduced by that or

0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:24.279
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln Riley or whatever, that young hot shot coach. And

0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.279
<v Speaker 1>he comes. He's on the defensive side. He's not like

0:49:26.360 --> 0:49:30.360
<v Speaker 1>an an offensive wounder kind as that's a German thing, right,

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:35.920
<v Speaker 1>wunderk oh yeah, yeah yeah. And he's recruiting his tailoff

0:49:36.000 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 1>at Georgia and building a recruiting monster at Oregon with

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:41.840
<v Speaker 1>his staff hires, with hiring Texas A and M and

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.680
<v Speaker 1>previously Georgia's you know, I forget the exact title, but

0:49:44.760 --> 0:49:49.800
<v Speaker 1>it's the the the chief personnel type guy, the director

0:49:49.880 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 1>of whatever, Marshall Malchow, malt I don't know how to

0:49:53.719 --> 0:49:57.840
<v Speaker 1>pronounce it. So there is an entire focus on, you know,

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.600
<v Speaker 1>recruiting and bringing in consistent top eight national classes, which

0:50:01.640 --> 0:50:04.800
<v Speaker 1>is what Mario Christobal was basically able to do. And

0:50:04.920 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 1>so talent plus conference plus energy plus hopefully a rethought

0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:14.600
<v Speaker 1>of offense that really struggled, and a new person to

0:50:14.880 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 1>try to evaluate and develop quarterbacks and the quarterbacks existing

0:50:19.680 --> 0:50:22.200
<v Speaker 1>and the roster that exists, which is arguably the deepest

0:50:22.239 --> 0:50:27.359
<v Speaker 1>and best roster depending on who actually comes back. There's

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot to like about where Dan Lanning's Oregon potential is.

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:32.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how I feel about this with a

0:50:32.600 --> 0:50:35.560
<v Speaker 2>first time head coach, sure going to a part of

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the country that he's not terribly familiar with. My questions

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>are around staff and staves. Staves what kind of support

0:50:46.080 --> 0:50:48.560
<v Speaker 2>net will be put around Dan Lanning. Everybody loves Dan

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Lanning like you won't talk to anybody who doesn't think

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.040
<v Speaker 2>this is a good hire, especially as late in the

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.759
<v Speaker 2>game as it came together. This is about as good

0:50:57.800 --> 0:51:01.080
<v Speaker 2>as Orgon was going to do. So you know, if

0:51:01.160 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 2>you believe the people who are closest to whom who

0:51:03.520 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 2>have worked with him, everybody is very bullish on this move.

0:51:07.480 --> 0:51:08.840
<v Speaker 2>But there are a lot of questions. It is not

0:51:08.920 --> 0:51:12.239
<v Speaker 2>a Marcus Freeman situation, which we can talk about next.

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Now he's been on the staff.

0:51:14.719 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 2>He's not a promotion from within like this is uprooting

0:51:18.239 --> 0:51:21.800
<v Speaker 2>and going three thousand miles the opposite direction totally, and

0:51:21.960 --> 0:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>so I question it from that standpoint. Doesn't mean it

0:51:25.080 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 2>can't work. But in terms of this little goofy game

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:33.279
<v Speaker 2>we're playing, I would say there's no familiarity with the region.

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:35.120
<v Speaker 2>He's a first time head coach. It's a lot of

0:51:35.320 --> 0:51:38.760
<v Speaker 2>upheaval and then being put in charge of this huge operation.

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Oregon obviously is sort of the crown jewel at the

0:51:41.920 --> 0:51:44.120
<v Speaker 2>moment of the PAC twelve North, maybe the PAC twelve

0:51:44.880 --> 0:51:47.880
<v Speaker 2>as a whole. That's a lot of pressure for a

0:51:47.960 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 2>first time Totally.

0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:52.360
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right. I think look the lack of

0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:55.000
<v Speaker 1>experience and going to a big place, just like we've

0:51:55.080 --> 0:51:58.920
<v Speaker 1>talked about with other coaches in this coaching search that

0:51:59.080 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I guess it was Brent Venables, who's certainly

0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:03.480
<v Speaker 1>older and more experienced and has been around more big

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 1>programs with bigger roles at big programs. So it's not

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:10.239
<v Speaker 1>a direct apples to apples analogy, but you're totally right.

0:52:10.400 --> 0:52:12.799
<v Speaker 1>It's him putting a staff together for the first time,

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:16.640
<v Speaker 1>him putting together a you know, a recruiting department and

0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>personnel department and dealing with the ins and outs of

0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:24.399
<v Speaker 1>daily college football bossing. That I think is a huge question.

0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:27.799
<v Speaker 1>And you know, he trained under one of the best

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:31.600
<v Speaker 1>with Kirby Smart and before that, Mike Norvell at Memphis.

0:52:32.480 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 1>It's it's a wide gaping question of what does Dan

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:40.360
<v Speaker 1>Lanning look like as a younger guy tasked with taking

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:43.480
<v Speaker 1>over a major program that has won on big levels.

0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:47.239
<v Speaker 1>And I guess the open question is again it's right now,

0:52:47.640 --> 0:52:50.200
<v Speaker 1>it's quarterback. Why he won't is what I just laid out.

0:52:50.680 --> 0:52:53.399
<v Speaker 1>What the open question is quarterback and offense and Kenny

0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Dillingham and you know what does this look like? What

0:52:56.840 --> 0:52:58.600
<v Speaker 1>is the vision for an offense like we mentioned with

0:52:58.600 --> 0:53:03.200
<v Speaker 1>Bret Venables as a defensive minded guy. All right, let's

0:53:03.239 --> 0:53:04.200
<v Speaker 1>close it out here.

0:53:04.520 --> 0:53:06.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, there are a bunch of coaches that we can

0:53:06.120 --> 0:53:06.520
<v Speaker 2>talk about.

0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:07.839
<v Speaker 1>We can do a bunch of quick hitters. We can

0:53:07.880 --> 0:53:08.800
<v Speaker 1>do a bunch of quick hitters.

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:11.880
<v Speaker 2>But we do have to close it out with a

0:53:11.920 --> 0:53:13.960
<v Speaker 2>little bit more detail about the Notre Dame thing and

0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 2>Marcus Streamer. It is a quick hitter to me, Marcus Freeman,

0:53:19.400 --> 0:53:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Marcus Screaman promoted from within. He is young, he is charismatic,

0:53:23.920 --> 0:53:29.800
<v Speaker 2>He's a hell of a recruiter, and I believe that

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:32.239
<v Speaker 2>for Notre Dame to get to that next gear, they

0:53:32.360 --> 0:53:35.600
<v Speaker 2>need and even stronger focus on recruiting if they want

0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.160
<v Speaker 2>to continue raising the floor. It's just where they have

0:53:38.280 --> 0:53:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to go next. I give them credit for recognizing that

0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:44.360
<v Speaker 2>this is the guy who seemingly can help them do that.

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:46.359
<v Speaker 1>It's a huge.

0:53:46.719 --> 0:53:49.839
<v Speaker 2>Shift for Notre Dame in a very brief period of time.

0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 2>They have gone from the older guy and Brian Kelly

0:53:53.960 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 2>at the top of this thing, kind of a legacy

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:59.279
<v Speaker 2>coach has been there for a decade plus to this

0:53:59.480 --> 0:54:03.240
<v Speaker 2>young up start. Frankly, it's been a huge brand revival

0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:07.080
<v Speaker 2>in a matter of days and weeks, turning things over

0:54:07.160 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 2>from Brian Kelly who was still successful and was still

0:54:10.360 --> 0:54:14.960
<v Speaker 2>getting recruits to a thirty five year old Marcus Freeman

0:54:15.320 --> 0:54:17.040
<v Speaker 2>and a twenty nine year old Tommy Reese.

0:54:18.320 --> 0:54:20.440
<v Speaker 1>We'll see if it works. I don't know.

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:24.800
<v Speaker 2>I'm hopeful, but that's a lot of brand revival in

0:54:24.880 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 2>a very short period of time. Marcus Freeman is going

0:54:28.360 --> 0:54:31.880
<v Speaker 2>to give them that. He's going to give them I

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:36.040
<v Speaker 2>think a degree of continuity as well, because not only

0:54:36.160 --> 0:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>is he staying on staff, but a bunch of the

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:40.799
<v Speaker 2>heavy hitters outside of Reese are also going to be there.

0:54:41.360 --> 0:54:45.760
<v Speaker 2>So even though Freeman is new at the top, functionally speaking,

0:54:45.840 --> 0:54:48.400
<v Speaker 2>it may not be all that different, which is a

0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 2>good spot if you're Marcus Freeman. As for why it

0:54:53.280 --> 0:54:56.480
<v Speaker 2>won't work, tell me why you think.

0:54:58.880 --> 0:55:02.400
<v Speaker 1>If he's young, he's inexperienced. He's taking over a major

0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:09.239
<v Speaker 1>program with huge expectations at a unique place. And what

0:55:10.040 --> 0:55:13.239
<v Speaker 1>does quarterback look like moving forward? What is you know,

0:55:13.320 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 1>what is different? I mean that's an open question. I

0:55:15.280 --> 0:55:18.040
<v Speaker 1>guess what is the quarterback? What is the offensive vision

0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:22.320
<v Speaker 1>for this Notre Dame team without Brian Kelly. But this

0:55:22.520 --> 0:55:27.720
<v Speaker 1>is a this is a place that largely hires not older,

0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 1>but more experienced head coaches who can deal with the intricacy,

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:37.520
<v Speaker 1>intricacies and unique challenges of Notre Dame from a more

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:43.239
<v Speaker 1>grizzled perspective, perhaps especially the guys who have succeeded. And

0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Marcus Freeman isn't that. Marcus Freeman just isn't that. He's

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:51.360
<v Speaker 1>also relatively new. He's eleven months, twelve months in South Bend,

0:55:51.520 --> 0:55:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and so while he is internal, he's not long time

0:55:56.040 --> 0:56:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame defensive coordinator, and so that's just going to

0:56:00.320 --> 0:56:03.359
<v Speaker 1>be new. That's it's just going to be new for him.

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:07.439
<v Speaker 1>Uh with uh with the unique challenges of Notre Dame,

0:56:07.520 --> 0:56:09.640
<v Speaker 1>with you know, the academic requirements, and I think he'll

0:56:09.680 --> 0:56:12.680
<v Speaker 1>recruit well, I really do. I believe it might even

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:16.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, go up a notch consistently. But it's that

0:56:17.160 --> 0:56:19.680
<v Speaker 1>day to day. It's the dealing with players who want

0:56:19.719 --> 0:56:22.800
<v Speaker 1>to transfer, it's dealing with parents, it's dealing with administrators

0:56:22.880 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 1>that he's never done. And same can be said for

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:32.000
<v Speaker 1>Dan Lanning for sure. But yeah, it's it's the unique

0:56:32.040 --> 0:56:35.640
<v Speaker 1>difficulties of taking over a major program without having spent

0:56:35.719 --> 0:56:37.279
<v Speaker 1>a lot of time there. You know, Mario Christapaul did

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:38.840
<v Speaker 1>that Orgon he was only there for a year with

0:56:38.960 --> 0:56:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Willie Taggert. So I, you know, I think it can

0:56:41.160 --> 0:56:43.719
<v Speaker 1>be done. I'm more optimistic than I am concerned. But

0:56:44.160 --> 0:56:46.879
<v Speaker 1>you know, young guy Green, I think that's the case.

0:56:47.280 --> 0:56:49.399
<v Speaker 2>First time head coaches have not done well at Notre Dame.

0:56:50.120 --> 0:56:50.800
<v Speaker 1>No, there's not.

0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:52.920
<v Speaker 2>There's not a whole lot of success. The point to

0:56:53.040 --> 0:56:57.799
<v Speaker 2>each situation is different, but they just they haven't. They

0:56:57.840 --> 0:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>haven't been successful, and it is a unique place. It's

0:57:02.520 --> 0:57:05.879
<v Speaker 2>a tough first job to get, for sure. I think

0:57:05.960 --> 0:57:09.360
<v Speaker 2>he's equipped well to handle it. He certainly seems capable.

0:57:09.400 --> 0:57:13.080
<v Speaker 2>People love him, the players love him. But if we're

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.400
<v Speaker 2>being objective about this, you have to point out that

0:57:15.600 --> 0:57:18.760
<v Speaker 2>this is a different kind of job that has not

0:57:18.840 --> 0:57:20.760
<v Speaker 2>always had a whole lot of success for first timers.

0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 1>So why won't it work? We've got a track record

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 1>on that side. What's the status of his staff.

0:57:26.520 --> 0:57:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Hiring unclear at this point. The open question at the

0:57:29.760 --> 0:57:33.760
<v Speaker 2>moment is on defense and what that looks like moving forward. Sure,

0:57:33.800 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>that's what I'm looking most forward to finding out more about.

0:57:37.640 --> 0:57:40.560
<v Speaker 2>I've got a couple burning questions about this. Oh okay

0:57:40.840 --> 0:57:44.800
<v Speaker 2>hit most notably at his presser, he talked about how

0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:49.240
<v Speaker 2>he wants to enhance. Use the word enhance a lot, enhance,

0:57:49.600 --> 0:57:54.040
<v Speaker 2>enhance enhance. Pete Sampson, our friend who was on the podcast,

0:57:54.160 --> 0:57:56.360
<v Speaker 2>he asked of what do you mean by that, Marcus?

0:57:56.360 --> 0:57:58.880
<v Speaker 2>He didn't really answer. It is probably one of those

0:57:58.920 --> 0:58:00.800
<v Speaker 2>things like you and I when we just sort of

0:58:00.880 --> 0:58:03.480
<v Speaker 2>talk ourselves into a corner and then you're stuck with

0:58:03.560 --> 0:58:04.440
<v Speaker 2>it on the record.

0:58:06.680 --> 0:58:07.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, I hope he enhances.

0:58:07.840 --> 0:58:10.720
<v Speaker 2>That'd be great but I think it was probably something

0:58:10.800 --> 0:58:13.800
<v Speaker 2>you said to be non controversial, and he doesn't have

0:58:13.840 --> 0:58:16.960
<v Speaker 2>any specifics around that. For the short term, for me,

0:58:17.200 --> 0:58:18.920
<v Speaker 2>it's can you go to Ohio State in week one

0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:20.160
<v Speaker 2>and be competitive next year?

0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Right?

0:58:21.920 --> 0:58:25.240
<v Speaker 2>And longer term, can you develop a quarterback? This is

0:58:25.360 --> 0:58:28.080
<v Speaker 2>a defensive guy. Can you develop a quarterback? I don't know.

0:58:29.080 --> 0:58:31.720
<v Speaker 1>So definitely a ton of burning questions about Marcus Freeman,

0:58:31.840 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 1>but reasonable we could talk about those in due time.

0:58:34.680 --> 0:58:37.160
<v Speaker 1>Let's do some quick hitters though. All right, kitters, give me,

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:39.840
<v Speaker 1>give me some quick hitters that you're interested in. What

0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 1>jobs out there did we not talk about that we

0:58:43.200 --> 0:58:47.040
<v Speaker 1>owe a little bit more attention to. I mean, there

0:58:47.200 --> 0:58:49.600
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of them. But you know, Jeff Tedford

0:58:49.840 --> 0:58:53.040
<v Speaker 1>at Fresno State, you know, can he hire and win

0:58:53.280 --> 0:58:56.320
<v Speaker 1>like he was able to do before when kaylind Wore

0:58:56.480 --> 0:59:01.360
<v Speaker 1>was on staff Jane Norvel, like Colorado State, there were

0:59:01.400 --> 0:59:04.840
<v Speaker 1>some open questions about their consistency and especially on defense,

0:59:04.880 --> 0:59:07.040
<v Speaker 1>and he's bringing over a lot of guys. He knows.

0:59:07.160 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Ken Wilson at Nevada, you know, coming over from Oregon

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.800
<v Speaker 1>as a linebackers coach, very familiar with that program, and

0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:16.800
<v Speaker 1>so can he rebuild that defense. Can he evaluate and

0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:19.600
<v Speaker 1>find kids because he's a really well thought of coach

0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.520
<v Speaker 1>and was at Oregon both from the recruiting perspective and

0:59:22.640 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>from a coaching perspective, And so what does that look

0:59:25.360 --> 0:59:26.880
<v Speaker 1>like at a place that you can win and is

0:59:26.920 --> 0:59:31.360
<v Speaker 1>not terribly far from talent. I'm trying to think, what

0:59:31.680 --> 0:59:34.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, Joe Morehead's going to accurate? I think is fascinating.

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Can he get them back to a bowlish program? It's

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:38.600
<v Speaker 1>much closer to where he's from in Pittsburgh.

0:59:40.040 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean area, and there are other Power five

0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:46.160
<v Speaker 2>jobs too, right, TCU and Sunny Dikes. Sonny Dikes is

0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:47.360
<v Speaker 2>from the area. He knows it well.

0:59:47.440 --> 0:59:50.800
<v Speaker 1>But can he play defense? Yeah, it's defense and quarterback.

0:59:50.880 --> 0:59:53.080
<v Speaker 1>That's It's the name of the game. And what does

0:59:53.120 --> 0:59:55.640
<v Speaker 1>the recruiting operation look like in a pretty fertile part

0:59:55.680 --> 0:59:58.440
<v Speaker 1>of the country. His staff is I don't believe complete,

0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:02.040
<v Speaker 1>but has a couple of couple of interesting guys. So, yeah,

1:00:02.240 --> 1:00:06.480
<v Speaker 1>it's defensive quarterback. It's always been a fall around Sunny

1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Dyke's Yeah.

1:00:07.080 --> 1:00:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, Tech Texas Tech isn't in all

1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:14.560
<v Speaker 2>that dissimilar situation, but they've got this huge infusion of

1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:18.280
<v Speaker 2>enthusiasm now with Joey McGuire, successful high school football coach

1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:21.400
<v Speaker 2>who has taken over was at Baylor for a little bit.

1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:25.280
<v Speaker 2>There's been a lot of steam so far on that program.

1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:27.440
<v Speaker 2>People are very excited about him taking over.

1:00:28.080 --> 1:00:30.360
<v Speaker 1>With Kiley by the Way from Western Kentucky as his

1:00:30.400 --> 1:00:32.000
<v Speaker 1>offensive coordinator. I think exactly so.

1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:34.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they'll put points on the board. I

1:00:34.680 --> 1:00:38.320
<v Speaker 2>think it's a very fascinating program to follow. But another

1:00:38.400 --> 1:00:43.080
<v Speaker 2>first timer taking over a big job in Texas Virginia Tech,

1:00:43.120 --> 1:00:46.120
<v Speaker 2>to me is very interesting. I like Brent Prye a lot.

1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:49.520
<v Speaker 2>He's familiar with the region, he's a good recruiter. I

1:00:49.600 --> 1:00:52.240
<v Speaker 2>think he will build a good defense. What I do

1:00:52.360 --> 1:00:55.760
<v Speaker 2>have questions about, though, is he's a first timer and

1:00:55.840 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 2>he's hiring two thirty two year old coordinators. Tyler Bowen

1:01:00.880 --> 1:01:03.480
<v Speaker 2>who comes up. You worked with Tyler Bowen for a

1:01:03.520 --> 1:01:05.840
<v Speaker 2>couple of years at Penn State. Tyler Bowen's been the

1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:09.840
<v Speaker 2>tight ends coach at Jacksonville and Chris marv who was

1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:13.200
<v Speaker 2>I think a linebackers coach at Florida State. So first

1:01:13.280 --> 1:01:16.680
<v Speaker 2>time head coach, two first time coordinators. Not to say

1:01:16.760 --> 1:01:20.160
<v Speaker 2>it won't work, but talk about playing without a net, right,

1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:22.400
<v Speaker 2>That's yeah, that's about as high stakes as you're going

1:01:22.480 --> 1:01:22.680
<v Speaker 2>to get.

1:01:23.720 --> 1:01:26.919
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, and I'm not really bringing back a ton

1:01:27.080 --> 1:01:28.720
<v Speaker 1>on either side of the ball that you're like, Oh,

1:01:28.840 --> 1:01:32.360
<v Speaker 1>this is the core of a ten win program, especially

1:01:32.440 --> 1:01:34.520
<v Speaker 1>on offense. So that to me is a question with

1:01:34.640 --> 1:01:37.760
<v Speaker 1>him Tony Elliott. At Virginia a place that put up

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<v Speaker 1>monster numbers, it's who can they convince to come back?

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<v Speaker 1>I saw they just lost an offensive lineman officially to Michigan,

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<v Speaker 1>I think their center. So it's who can Virginia bring

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<v Speaker 1>back from this offense? And what does he do in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of fully, you know, going after a defensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 1>and a defensive staff who can both recruit and coach

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<v Speaker 1>their asses off because this Virginia defense was a nightmare

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of production. So a lot of acc questions.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who I like, Mike Elcho at Duke.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just a matter of rebooting and having

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<v Speaker 1>a vision. After being around so long and in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of major programs, you know, going from Wake to

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame to Texas A and m you know, Duke

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<v Speaker 1>has a ways forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know why he took that job in

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<v Speaker 2>the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good question. It's an opportunity, it's a it's

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<v Speaker 1>good school, good part of the country to live in.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. That's tough. That's tough.

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<v Speaker 1>If he just wanted that shot, if he was just

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<v Speaker 1>sick of calling and running a defense and Duke, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if you turn Duke into back into a bowl team,

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<v Speaker 1>you can get a bigger job, right. So yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, I don't know. It's a springboard. But if

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't getting those sort of big twelve sec footprint

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<v Speaker 1>type looks, then you know, he just felt it was

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<v Speaker 1>time and he felt confident enough that he could build

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<v Speaker 1>a good enough defense. He built a good defense at

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<v Speaker 1>Wake Forest. You know, they're difficult places to win, and

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<v Speaker 1>Duke is one of them. And so he has that

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<v Speaker 1>experience in that part of the country. We'll see other jobs,

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<v Speaker 1>other openings, other higher you know, Don Brown at UMass

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<v Speaker 1>familiarity certainly there with what he did at UMSS when

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<v Speaker 1>they were an FCS school. Who else Jake Dicker at

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<v Speaker 1>Wazoo Oh Wazoo. Yeah, I think that's fascinating because he

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<v Speaker 1>is he has looked at some lower levels for his

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<v Speaker 1>assistant hires, which has been fascinating. He has what we

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<v Speaker 1>think is a quarterback of the future. There's some talent

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<v Speaker 1>on that defense, there's familiarity with an internal hire of

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<v Speaker 1>a program younger and without the you know, years experience

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<v Speaker 1>as a head coach. But I think the players really

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<v Speaker 1>liked playing for him and playing hard for him. The

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<v Speaker 1>open question is what does that system look like? What

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<v Speaker 1>is on both sides of the ball that you become,

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<v Speaker 1>at the very least a pain in the ass for

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<v Speaker 1>everybody in the PAC twelve? Yeah, yeah, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, please do right in and let us know

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<v Speaker 2>your thoughts on Clay Helton Georgia Southern, Clay Helton Georgia Southern,

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<v Speaker 2>or Joey Maguire Texas Tech or Mario to Miami or

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<v Speaker 2>Marcus Freeman a notre dame or billion aper, Brent vannibles

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<v Speaker 2>Lincoln Riley. Tell me again how to pronounce the Louisiana

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<v Speaker 2>higher Desorma like the jockey disorma, Kent desormo. I think

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<v Speaker 2>Kent Disarmo, Kentucky Derby or something.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the last name. I love the internal hire,

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<v Speaker 1>I love the enthusiasm.

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