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Speaker 1: Dan Rubenstein, sir, how are you. I'm good. Some might

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Speaker 2: So here is the deal, Dan, We've got a game

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Speaker 2: today that I'm calling three reasons why. Three reasons why.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go through one reason why new coaches will work,

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Speaker 1: Just true with a couple of years and no, it survived.

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Speaker 1: Why won't it work? Dan, give me a reason it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we're kind of saying the same thing here.

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Speaker 1: So what's your burning question is defense? You said?

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Speaker 2: My burning question is can he toughen up the defense?

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Speaker 1: Out Brent Venables in.

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Speaker 2: I feel like this is a much more interesting conversation

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Speaker 1: I'll talk about ted Roof on defense. We'll get to

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Speaker 1: I know, I think that the force of personality, that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's also moving into the SEC shortly good call,

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Speaker 2: sure a nice guy. I don't like ted Roof running

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Speaker 1: I don't want him. I don't think my defense. I

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Speaker 1: I honestly I don't think his his his fingerprints will

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Speaker 1: That's that's kind of like the cooler that the casinos

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Speaker 1: I hate to say it, Okay, that's reasonable.

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Speaker 2: On the offensive side, especially defensively, we know the drill there. Defensively,

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Speaker 2: he puts guys in the league. We saw it did

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Speaker 2: at Clempson. Everywhere he's been he's done a good job

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Speaker 2: with defense. But offensively, even with a really good coordinator,

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Speaker 2: that to me is is the burning question. I just

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Speaker 2: don't know what to make of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's totally reasonable. And some of the

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Speaker 1: continuity for Oklahoma, especially Bill beat and Bow up front,

440
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Speaker 1: certainly is an amazing starting point. His reputation as an

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Speaker 1: offensive line coach, But You're right. It's when you have

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Speaker 1: these defensive standout minds taking over a full program, what

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Speaker 1: do they want their offense to be like? And we've

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Speaker 1: seen it time after time where defensive coaches want the

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Speaker 1: offense to serve the defense. They want ball control, they

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Speaker 1: want the defense rested, they want to dominate the game

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Speaker 1: via defense. They don't want to play with pace because

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Speaker 1: you know, they don't want to risk getting off the

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Speaker 1: field super quickly. And so is Brent Venables open to

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Speaker 1: airing it out, letting it fly, playing quickly, you know,

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Speaker 1: playing creative RPO stuff, which obviously comes with you know,

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Speaker 1: the Jeff Lebby fingerprints on the offense. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what Jeff Lebby's play calling experience was under both Josh

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Speaker 1: Hipel and Lane Kiff, And I know Lane Kiffin called

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Speaker 1: the plays last year for Ole Miss. So to what

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Speaker 1: degree was Lebby involved with the architecture of that offense?

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Speaker 1: My guess is significantly. But yeah, I think you're right,

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Speaker 1: what is the vision for this offense with Brent Venables

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Speaker 1: perspective coming from the defensive side? Defensive? So I'm right

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Speaker 1: there with you.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Let's go out west to Washington. Your favorite school.

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Speaker 1: I like Washington. That's right on a lake. Seattle is

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Speaker 1: a great city. It's wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Lake out, Caitlin de boor In.

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Speaker 1: I love this higher Okay, talk to me. I love it.

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Speaker 2: This is low key my favorite hire of the cycle.

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Speaker 2: What it is?

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Speaker 1: It is wow? Okay, I love this move. I love it.

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Speaker 2: He's forty seven and seventy nine and nine as a

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Speaker 2: head coach if you count the two years at Fresno

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Speaker 2: and the five years before that at Sioux Falls, which

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Speaker 2: is lower level of college football granted, but won three

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Speaker 2: championships there. He has had an almost instant impact everywhere

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Speaker 2: he's gone, especially on offense. Mainly on offense. That's been

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Speaker 2: his nay right yep, sort of an understated guy, like

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Speaker 2: a really good cultural fit for that part of the

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Speaker 2: country in the Pacific Northwest. He brings over Ryan Grubb,

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Speaker 2: who was his OC at Fresno, and that was a

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Speaker 2: good Fresno team. They made a former Husky quarterback and

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Speaker 2: j Camp looked really good. Just a lot to like

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Speaker 2: you made Michael Penick junior. Michael Pennix liked him so

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Speaker 2: much he's transferring up to Washington now. H So this

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Speaker 2: is a guy who, by all accounts and x's and

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Speaker 2: o's genie, seems like he fits in very well culturally.

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Speaker 2: I do have some questions about the recruiting, which we

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Speaker 2: can talk about, but talk me off that position, Dan, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean the case I think you nailed the case

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Speaker 2: for it's is really as simple as he wins everywhere

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Speaker 2: he's been on smaller, medium, and larger levels in the

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Speaker 2: Mountain West.

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Speaker 1: Now he hasn't run a program of this size. And

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Speaker 1: the expectations in Washington are winning eight plus games, competing

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Speaker 1: at their best, competing for a conference crown, and given

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Speaker 1: you know, expectations in the history of Washington at its best,

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Speaker 1: and this was a playoff team what five years ago,

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Speaker 1: So it's not unrealistic to say they should be at

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Speaker 1: their best and when they're at their most experience and

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Speaker 1: when they've nailed evaluation and development, they should be winning

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Speaker 1: ten plus games at their best, not every year, but

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Speaker 1: when they're hitting their ceiling. The question to me is

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Speaker 1: Oregon's not going anywhere. To me, USC is improving, Wazoo

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Speaker 1: will see Stanford is down. The Arizona schools are. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think Arizona is heading in the right direction, but

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Speaker 1: it's going to be a while. UCLA I think is decent.

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Speaker 1: But is Kaylin de Borr able to acquire and develop

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Speaker 1: talent recruiting against the West Coast powers and obviously Utah

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Speaker 1: is a year and a year out very good. Is

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Speaker 1: he going to be able to build a roster to

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Speaker 1: compete to win nine plus games? Because I think they

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Speaker 1: can win eight or nine, But I don't know about

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Speaker 1: his ceiling if he's not able to bring in top

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Speaker 1: flight talent, and so what I've seen from the staff

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Speaker 1: hires early is familiarity. I'm curious to see. I think

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Speaker 1: it's more of an open question. How much does Washington

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Speaker 1: invest in recruiting. Chris Peterson really built a recruiting operation

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Speaker 1: in Seattle and they were fielding top flight recruiting classes

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Speaker 1: and taking advantage of SARKS classes as well. Just the

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Speaker 1: question to me is what does the talent level look like?

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Speaker 1: Are they going to rely solely on development? And if so,

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Speaker 1: that that's great, but that's sort of that that's when

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Speaker 1: you get into that nine win ceiling. So on the margins,

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Speaker 1: how talented will Washington be in three years is my

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Speaker 1: open question. Yeah, I think we're both sort of saying

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Speaker 1: the same thing. Yeah, when we talk about the reason

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Speaker 1: it won't work as well as the burning question totally,

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Speaker 1: can he build a recruiting operation that can match up

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Speaker 1: with the likes of Oregon? Schematically, everyone loves him, everyone

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Speaker 1: thinks he's a genius. Schematically sure, but the recruiting side

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Speaker 1: of this is very interesting to me. And on some level, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got to take that recruiting operation up a peg,

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Speaker 1: and you've got to find a way to bring in

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Speaker 1: that top flight talent and develop that that gives you

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Speaker 1: the higher ceiling. I don't know, I don't know if

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Speaker 1: we've seen that he can do that yet. And so Washington,

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Speaker 1: by the way, the state of is an underrated place

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Speaker 1: in terms of recruits. And we've seen the path from

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Speaker 1: Washington to Ohio state look fertile. You know, JT Toamalu,

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Speaker 1: A couple of receivers these past couple of years heading

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Speaker 1: to Ohio State. It's can he even just keep those

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Speaker 1: kids home? Can he convince and build the Washington brand

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Speaker 1: to a point where top flight Northwest recruits are saying, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Washington's the move, not even just Oregon, not even USC,

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Speaker 1: but staying away from Notre Dame Michigan. You know Ohio

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Speaker 1: state obviously that you know teams nationally are going to

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Speaker 1: the Pacific Northwest, and so it's rebuilding Washington from the

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Speaker 1: failed Jimmy Lake experiment.

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Speaker 2: All right, Dan, if only for dramatic interlude, It's our

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Speaker 2: DraftKings Game of the Week, presented by the DraftKings Sports Book.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this on the Monday Show. We're getting

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Speaker 2: closer to the playoff. This show dropping on Wednesday, the

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Speaker 2: playoff on Friday. Again, it's Michigan, it's Georgia right now.

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Speaker 2: Georgia favored by seven and a half. You're over under

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Speaker 2: listed at forty five points. It's like a freaking NFL game.

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Speaker 2: This is the game that I am looking forward to.

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Speaker 2: It is on Friday evening. I need to find a

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Speaker 2: way to watch this game amid the other New Year's

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Speaker 2: Eve festivities. Thanks Bill Hancock. But I'm excited. I'm excited

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Speaker 2: for this game. I am still on Georgia minus the

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Speaker 2: seven and a half. You I believe are on Michigan

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Speaker 2: plus the seven and a half.

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Speaker 1: Who are you picking out right?

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Speaker 2: One more time?

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Speaker 1: Michigan the Wolverines. I'm staying with it.

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that because you believe it, or because

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Speaker 2: you want to stay married.

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Speaker 1: I believe it now. I do believe it because I

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Speaker 1: was on a podcast and one of the hosts brought

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Speaker 1: up a good point that Georgia is secretly like the

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Speaker 1: super rich Man's the billionaires Big Ten team with winning

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Speaker 1: with defense and ball control efficiency and a quarterback who

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Speaker 1: is good and make plays, but it makes plays but

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Speaker 1: is not always. This is not an electric, explosive offense

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Speaker 1: from Georgia all of the time, especially without having the

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Speaker 1: consistent speed and playmaking outside. And so I just think

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Speaker 1: Michigan may just be built via their pass rush, via

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Speaker 1: the creativity of this offense, and even without Ronnie Bell.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious about, like, what would your case be for

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Speaker 1: the under? Just that the quarter you know, Cad mcnamaraanstats

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Speaker 1: and bended are underwhelming. What's the case for the under

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Speaker 1: of forty five so that we get like a twenty

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Speaker 1: three to twenty game or something like that.

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Speaker 2: The case for the under is that, frankly, both defenses

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Speaker 2: overpower the opposing rules. Yeah, Michigan's defense is able to

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Speaker 2: confuse and curtail and keep down the Georgia offense, which

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Speaker 2: by the way, is entirely plausible. Entirely plausible. Georgie's offense

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Speaker 2: against good defense. This is not something we've seen a

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Speaker 2: whole lot of this season, So I think that for sure.

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Speaker 2: And then on the flip side, George's defense. We know

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Speaker 2: all about the George defense, been singing its praises all year.

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Speaker 2: Can they stop what Michigan wants to do, which is

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Speaker 2: run the ball forty times?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely?

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Speaker 2: And so if this turns into a rock fight between

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Speaker 2: Stetson Bennett and Cade McNamara, yeah, I feel pretty good

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Speaker 2: about that under. I would track towards the under if

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Speaker 2: I were actually betting. I'm not good at over under,

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Speaker 2: so maybe don't take my word for it. But at

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Speaker 2: forty five points in a game where both teams are

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Speaker 2: probably terrified.

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Speaker 1: Of making the big mistake, yeah, totally can see the under. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And it's one of those things also where I mean,

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Speaker 1: what was the largest number of points a team scored

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Speaker 1: against Georgia. Was it Tennessee, was it Kentucky? There wasn't

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Speaker 1: a lot of points scored against this defense before Alabama.

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Speaker 1: It was seventeen points. That's yeah, that's not many points

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Speaker 2: the coaching circuit, Dan, talk to me about Florida, m.

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Speaker 1: Florida's fascinating. Florida's fascinating. The case for billion Apier is

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Speaker 1: he has major experience programs, major experience, program experience, major

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Speaker 1: program experience. That's English, right. He has the experience, he

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Speaker 1: has experience winning, he has experienced as a head coach.

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Speaker 1: He comes in with obviously high expectations at Florida, given

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Speaker 1: where Georgia is as a program, given where we believe

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Speaker 1: the SEC East is going. You know, Kentucky has ascended

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Speaker 1: to a good place. Tennessee we think is on the

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Speaker 1: way up. South Carolina appears to be on the way up,

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Speaker 1: and it's a you know, we'll see with Missoo, I suppose,

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Speaker 1: but they're recruiting very well, and expectations at Florida are

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Speaker 1: compete to win the East, compete to win the conference,

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Speaker 1: and if you win the conference, it's compete in the playoff.

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Speaker 1: And Billy Napier is a proven head coach who has

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Speaker 1: won big games relative to the place he was at

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Speaker 1: in Louisiana and won that conference, and comes in, as

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Speaker 1: I suppose, by all indications, a grown up running a

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Speaker 1: program that very much needs a grown up running it.

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Speaker 1: And you know, there's there's definitely we'll see elements, and

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Speaker 1: there's definitely, I suppose, cases against it. But in terms

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Speaker 1: of his resume, in terms of his reputation, I don't

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Speaker 1: know what more you would like to see from somebody

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Speaker 1: coming from the G five level.

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Speaker 2: He's forty two, he's familiar with the area. He's already

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Speaker 2: forty one to twelve as a head coach at Louisiana,

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Speaker 2: which is a good base. He's coached under both Dabo

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Speaker 2: and Nick Saban, which is sort of like going to

647
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Speaker 2: both Harvard and Yale. It was the least spectacular big hire,

648
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: and I think you always feel good about Yeah, Florida, Florida.

649
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 2: This monster job somehow flew completely under the radar. As

650
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 2: USC and LSU and Oregon in Miami and Notre Dame,

651
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 2: we're all doing their thing and just it worked into

652
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 2: a frenzy. This was a very unspectacular hire. And what

653
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: I like about it is there's no stick is there,

654
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: there's no show. He's an adult. His teams were rock solid,

655
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: and they were always good, and they were at a

656
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 2: clear talent disadvantage when they played some teams from the

657
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 2: Power five, but they were always competitive. And they played

658
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 2: Iowa State beat I twelve runner up Iowa State. Yeah,

659
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 2: and so this is just a guy who knows how

660
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 2: to coach really good football and he does it the

661
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: right way. And he's going to have his work cut

662
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 2: out for him now because he's not playing Louisiana competition.

663
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: He's playing the SEC East. That's really my only case

664
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,479
Speaker 2: against I like the billiy Napier higher. We brought Bruce

665
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 2: Felman on the program, you know a couple of weeks ago,

666
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: months ago now, and it seemed as if the Napier

667
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 2: High was sort of a no brainer to Florida. Everyone

668
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 2: wanted to move, he wanted it. It happened very quickly.

669
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: The case against, I think, is that it's the SEC East, and.

670
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: The SEC East has.

671
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 2: Gotten demonstrably tougher in the last year and a half.

672
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,760
Speaker 2: Even if you win all the games you're quote unquote

673
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: supposed to, that's like a ten and two season. Dan

674
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 2: Mullen did that twice. Dan Mullen went to three New

675
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,320
Speaker 2: Year six Bowl games.

676
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: They canned him the first time. He didn't go to one.

677
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: Now I get that there are extenuating circumstances, and we

678
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 2: could talk about.

679
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 1: The mollenisms if we want to.

680
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 2: But the bar is much much higher at Florida than

681
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 2: it is at a place like Louisiana. That side of

682
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: the conference is getting more difficult. New teams are coming

683
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: into the conference, which is going to make it even

684
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,240
Speaker 2: more difficult than it's been over the last decade plus,

685
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 2: and so we just have not seen Napier coach on

686
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: this level. That's not necessarily a reason why it won't.

687
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 2: It's a reason why it might not. But I feel

688
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 2: really good about the higher. I just I question about

689
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 2: him running a job this big, an operation.

690
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: This huge. Also, if you look at programs with the

691
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:49,479
Speaker 1: expectations of a Florida, a University of Florida Gators, which

692
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: programs across the nation have succeeded on that level hiring

693
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: from a group of five school, a head coach from

694
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: the group of five now Chris Peterson Washington took them

695
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: to the playoff. Ultimately long term didn't work out. But

696
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: who else, Right, It's a lot of internal hires, It's

697
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: a lot of coordinators from huge places. In the case

698
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 1: of Michigan this year, it was Jim Harbaugh at Stanford,

699
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,360
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh with the forty nine ers, Jim Harbaugh at Michigan.

700
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: And so that leap is not always the most successful

701
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: one at a major place. Maybe I'm not thinking of one,

702
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: but in terms of track record of winning major conference

703
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: getting to the playoff, who is there? Is there another

704
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: name across the country? We are like this guy worked

705
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,800
Speaker 1: at a G five place and is now killing it

706
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: at a huge job at a you know, a power

707
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: five school. Maybe I'm missing it, but you know, if

708
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: it's I guess Lane Kiffin at FAU. If that's the goal.

709
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: But Lane Kiffin obviously had a lot of major head

710
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: coaching experience at you know, Tennessee briefly and USC. So

711
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 1: where where is the track record? Necessarily? That's what I'm

712
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: curious about. It doesn't mean he can't do it, It

713
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,399
Speaker 1: just means it hasn't been done a ton.

714
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 2: I think the burning question for me is, you know,

715
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: as we alluded here, Florida made them move away from

716
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 2: Dan Mullen for a number of reasons, notably because of

717
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 2: concerns in the recruiting operation. Right also he basically lost

718
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: the team, which that happens, you're pretty much dead, doesn't

719
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: matter what you did. But can Napier build that type

720
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: of operation on the recruiting trail that's going to rival Georgia,

721
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: that's going to rival even South Carolina. South Carolina is

722
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: bringing in Spencer Rattler. I mean, they're all up in

723
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: their game.

724
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 1: In the SEC.

725
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 2: Tennessee is doing a good job, Kentucky is doing a

726
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,720
Speaker 2: good job. Like this is a side of the conference

727
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 2: that has gotten a lot lot better very quickly. Can

728
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 2: he build an operation that's going to rival the competition

729
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 2: on the side of on that side of the conference

730
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 2: and in the short term and still more discipline on

731
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 2: the roster because these guys did give up off for Yeah,

732
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 2: they don't want to be there.

733
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: So I'm curious. I'm very curious to see what he

734
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: can do on that front. On the recruiting trail, Yeah, well,

735
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 1: how good is he at rebooting the Florida brand after

736
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: it suffered both in terms of the on field product

737
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: and on the recruiting trail also just an open question

738
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 1: and not necessarily why he won't succeed. But now in

739
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: his state at Miami is one of the best five

740
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: recruiters in the nation that they're competing against for in

741
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,080
Speaker 1: state kids, which is not always the case when you

742
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: look at some previous Miami head coaches. Not that Miami

743
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: hasn't recruited well, but now that's going to be what

744
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: we presume to be an in state machine, unlike you know,

745
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: maybe the height of Florida state for sure under Jimbo was.

746
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: But that's definitely a new challenge. I would say for Florida,

747
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: why don't we go there? Next, it's a pro segue.

748
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Mario Christobal, Mario crystal Ball for the

749
00:40:55,160 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 2: cultured among us. Going back home to Miami, christ Ball

750
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: played their offensive line back in the heyday for Miami

751
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: football is Miami guy. He knows what the U is

752
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 2: all about. He is an ace recruiter. He is a

753
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 2: very good coach. There is a lot to like about

754
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: the Crystal Ball situation. Those are the reasons why it

755
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 2: will work. I have more reasons why I don't think

756
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: it will. I have other burning questions, but outside of

757
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: the recruiting, outside of his familiarity with that part of

758
00:41:29,120 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: the country, with this part of college football, give me

759
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: some other reasons why it'll work.

760
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: Remind me who played in the ACC championship game this year.

761
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: That's a reason it'll work. If you have to merely

762
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: be better than pitt and Wake Forest to win the

763
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: conference as it stands now, I understand Clemson is in

764
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: this conference. I understand Florida State and a potentially improved,

765
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 1: revised Florida State is in this conference. I understand North

766
00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: Carolina and the way they've recruited, and the way that

767
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: the best of North Carolina is is in this conference.

768
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: In NC State. There are cases to be made for

769
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: several programs, but the two that broke through are Pittenway

770
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: Forest so merely being talented and winning games and more

771
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: talented than everybody maybe save for Clemson of in two

772
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 1: three years or whatever. Should be enough for Miami to

773
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 1: win a ton of games. And they have a quarterback,

774
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, Mario christaball inheriting the quarterback has been a

775
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: thing already and he's won conferences with that inherited quarterback.

776
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: We like Tyler van dim a considerable amounts. That's a

777
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 1: great starting point. When you have quarterback and recruiting, you

778
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: can go a long ways. And Mario Cristobal has apparently

779
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,319
Speaker 1: had the resources added to the program that he felt

780
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: were necessary for Miami to compete with the best of

781
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: the best nationally. We'll see if it works out. We'll

782
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: see if it's an actual long term dedication. But everything

783
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: is in place for Miami to win a ton of

784
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:04,399
Speaker 1: games with a ton of really good players. The situation's

785
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: a mess. It's a mess.

786
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: And I know that you got this infusion of cash

787
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: now into the athletic program, and that's why they went

788
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 2: out and they poached Mario as well as Dan Radakaevich

789
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,800
Speaker 2: brought him over from Clemson to be the athletic director.

790
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: There's talk about building stadiums on campus and upgrading facilities

791
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: and just as he said, putting all the things in

792
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 2: place that they feel they need to revive the program.

793
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: That's all great, but that stuff does not happen overnight. Dan,

794
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: If we're gonna I think Mario knows that, but yeah,

795
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,320
Speaker 2: he knows it.

796
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: Do Miami people know it?

797
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 2: Because if we're gonna dunk on USC for going after

798
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 2: all the USC guys, the same should hold true here.

799
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 2: Miami has been a program that has arguably been much

800
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 2: worse at following that same playbook over the last decade.

801
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: And so we can talk a great game about all

802
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: these things that they're gonna to fix the program, but

803
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 2: really what I question is what is the definition of

804
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 2: success here? How are we going to score? How Mario

805
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: crystal ball does? As I understand it, Over the last decade,

806
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 2: there have really been two measures for head football coach

807
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: at Miami. Number one, are you Miami enough for the job?

808
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: You know, like this this purity test, this purity test

809
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: that's sort of a pre wreck for the job, And

810
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: it was, oh, well, Manny Diaz is from here.

811
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 1: But he's not Mario who played here. Oh okay.

812
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: And then once you're in too, are you winning national championships?

813
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: There has to be some middle ground, like maybe we

814
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: start with getting to the ACC title game. Maybe we

815
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: start there, or maybe we get the ten wins to

816
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 2: a better bowl game or something of the sort. But

817
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: there has to be some middle ground that we can

818
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: grade Crystal Ball on something of a curve, somewhere between

819
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 2: being here and playing here and being beloved here and

820
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 2: winning national championships. We need some dose of realism here

821
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 2: in this program. So all the good stuff is, let's

822
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 2: build the stadium on campus, Let's get the athletic department

823
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: in order, let's spend more money on the football program.

824
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: Let's get there. But in the interim, the.

825
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: Program is still sort of a mess, and we need

826
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 2: to rebalance expectations a bit because he's not going to

827
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: win a national championship that quickly.

828
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: Not saying you won't do it.

829
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 2: He's a good coach, but it's going to take a

830
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 2: while to get there, to get to the ACC title game,

831
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 2: to do these interim things that need to happen first.

832
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: And so for me, why won't it happen? A? The

833
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: situation's a mess, and B what is the definition for success?

834
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,120
Speaker 2: That's my burning question. I want to know how are

835
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 2: we grading Mario crystal ball, and what are Miami fans

836
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: saying after year one, if he goes eight and four.

837
00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: Do you have a favorite Miami ACC championship? There have been, Sonny,

838
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: we have it there. It's so hard to pick. Miami's

839
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: not an ACC championship program. I mean, that's the reality

840
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 1: in which we live. Maybe that changes, but we have

841
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: a lot of data to suggest that Miami as an institution,

842
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 1: which is what Bill c Is quickly quick to point

843
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,720
Speaker 1: out is sometimes you don't blame coaches, you blame places.

844
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:13,240
Speaker 1: There are reasons places can't win, and Miami doesn't fully

845
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: reflect USC. But there are some faint whiffs of USC

846
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: hiring a Miami guy, big city, big expectations to get

847
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: back to pass glory without actually doing what it takes

848
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: to win, you know, the step before that or the

849
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 1: three steps before that.

850
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,279
Speaker 2: And so.

851
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: There's a lot of talk tie, there's not a lot

852
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: of walk so far. Right, So I'm just talking about

853
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: the last twenty years, not necessarily Mario Cristobal's tenure. That's

854
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: the issue to me, that there's gonna be a crazy

855
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 1: amount of pressure on Mario Cristobal because of his status

856
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: as an alumnus and you know, player for the Kaynes

857
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: and also Miami is just not a conference championship program.

858
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: It's just not. Again, it can change, but sometimes we

859
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: are who we are at a certain point and can change.

860
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: But there are reasons why Miami hasn't been there. And

861
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: so this is it's not like I was like a booster, Right,

862
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: there's a billionaire booster who was like, I'm going to

863
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:14,000
Speaker 1: tear down a middle school and build a stadium, and

864
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: it just didn't happen. Right, it just is not happening.

865
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: I haven't seen blueprints, I haven't seen bulldozers. So it's

866
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: it's a program built around talk and not necessarily built

867
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: around walk. Maybe it changes, but again, sometimes we just

868
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: are who we are.

869
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: The swagger baby got to bring the swagger back since

870
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:35,399
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine.

871
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: Okay, by the way, the open question, the open question

872
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: to me is offense and offensive coordinator and what the

873
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: vision is going to look like that's different than what

874
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: really did hold Oregon back. Yeah, that's the question for

875
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: me with Miami. Not necessarily can he get them back

876
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 1: to glory or whatever, but the actual in the next

877
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: two years question is how is it different than what

878
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: held Oregon back? And yet to see.

879
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's go on up to the Pacific Northwest.

880
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 2: Let's pull in this thread a little bit more crystal

881
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 2: ball bolts. He goes back home to Miami, Dan Lanning.

882
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning is your new head football coach at Oregon.

883
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning gonna be calling the plays for Georgia as

884
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator in the playoff game against Michigan, so we'll

885
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 2: get one final look at him. I guess, I guess

886
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 2: if they go to the National Championship, he'd call him again.

887
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: But we'll see. I mean, he could always be Lane

888
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 1: kiffined right where you're just like, I don't dig your

889
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: head's here, bye bye. Between those two games, who knows.

890
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:38,360
Speaker 2: We'll have to wait and see what happens if they

891
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 2: end up winning. But for the time being, anyway, we'll

892
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 2: see more of him and his work at Georgia. He

893
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: is young, he is charismatic, He is an awesome recruiter.

894
00:48:47,640 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 2: He has no familiarity with the Pacific Northwest. He's a

895
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 2: first time head football coach. He's gonna be put in

896
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 2: charge of this big operation. Where are we at on,

897
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 2: Dan Lanning?

898
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: Why will it work? Why won't it work? And what's

899
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: your biggest question. Uh, it will work because of his

900
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 1: reputation connecting with kids and recruits and people within the program,

901
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 1: and his reputation, his energy, given his age. You know,

902
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: everybody is you know, wants the next Sean McVay, right,

903
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: everybody wants the next Who's is the Packers coach? Could?

904
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: I don't know the names of these young coaches in

905
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: the NFL, but everybody is like seduced by that or

906
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley or whatever, that young hot shot coach. And

907
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: he comes. He's on the defensive side. He's not like

908
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 1: an an offensive wounder kind as that's a German thing, right,

909
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: wunderk oh yeah, yeah yeah. And he's recruiting his tailoff

910
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: at Georgia and building a recruiting monster at Oregon with

911
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: his staff hires, with hiring Texas A and M and

912
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,680
Speaker 1: previously Georgia's you know, I forget the exact title, but

913
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 1: it's the the the chief personnel type guy, the director

914
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: of whatever, Marshall Malchow, malt I don't know how to

915
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,840
Speaker 1: pronounce it. So there is an entire focus on, you know,

916
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: recruiting and bringing in consistent top eight national classes, which

917
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: is what Mario Christobal was basically able to do. And

918
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: so talent plus conference plus energy plus hopefully a rethought

919
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: of offense that really struggled, and a new person to

920
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 1: try to evaluate and develop quarterbacks and the quarterbacks existing

921
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:22,200
Speaker 1: and the roster that exists, which is arguably the deepest

922
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: and best roster depending on who actually comes back. There's

923
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: a lot to like about where Dan Lanning's Oregon potential is.

924
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 2: I don't know how I feel about this with a

925
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: first time head coach, sure going to a part of

926
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: the country that he's not terribly familiar with. My questions

927
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 2: are around staff and staves. Staves what kind of support

928
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: net will be put around Dan Lanning. Everybody loves Dan

929
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 2: Lanning like you won't talk to anybody who doesn't think

930
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,040
Speaker 2: this is a good hire, especially as late in the

931
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: game as it came together. This is about as good

932
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 2: as Orgon was going to do. So you know, if

933
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 2: you believe the people who are closest to whom who

934
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: have worked with him, everybody is very bullish on this move.

935
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: But there are a lot of questions. It is not

936
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 2: a Marcus Freeman situation, which we can talk about next.

937
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: Now he's been on the staff.

938
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 2: He's not a promotion from within like this is uprooting

939
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: and going three thousand miles the opposite direction totally, and

940
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 2: so I question it from that standpoint. Doesn't mean it

941
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: can't work. But in terms of this little goofy game

942
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:33,279
Speaker 2: we're playing, I would say there's no familiarity with the region.

943
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 2: He's a first time head coach. It's a lot of

944
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 2: upheaval and then being put in charge of this huge operation.

945
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 2: Oregon obviously is sort of the crown jewel at the

946
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 2: moment of the PAC twelve North, maybe the PAC twelve

947
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 2: as a whole. That's a lot of pressure for a

948
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 2: first time Totally.

949
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,360
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I think look the lack of

950
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: experience and going to a big place, just like we've

951
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 1: talked about with other coaches in this coaching search that

952
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it was Brent Venables, who's certainly

953
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: older and more experienced and has been around more big

954
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: programs with bigger roles at big programs. So it's not

955
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: a direct apples to apples analogy, but you're totally right.

956
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:12,799
Speaker 1: It's him putting a staff together for the first time,

957
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: him putting together a you know, a recruiting department and

958
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: personnel department and dealing with the ins and outs of

959
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 1: daily college football bossing. That I think is a huge question.

960
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,799
Speaker 1: And you know, he trained under one of the best

961
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: with Kirby Smart and before that, Mike Norvell at Memphis.

962
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 1: It's it's a wide gaping question of what does Dan

963
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,360
Speaker 1: Lanning look like as a younger guy tasked with taking

964
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,480
Speaker 1: over a major program that has won on big levels.

965
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: And I guess the open question is again it's right now,

966
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: it's quarterback. Why he won't is what I just laid out.

967
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: What the open question is quarterback and offense and Kenny

968
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 1: Dillingham and you know what does this look like? What

969
00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:58,600
Speaker 1: is the vision for an offense like we mentioned with

970
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: Bret Venables as a defensive minded guy. All right, let's

971
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: close it out here.

972
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 2: Well, there are a bunch of coaches that we can

973
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 2: talk about.

974
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: We can do a bunch of quick hitters. We can

975
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: do a bunch of quick hitters.

976
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 2: But we do have to close it out with a

977
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 2: little bit more detail about the Notre Dame thing and

978
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: Marcus Streamer. It is a quick hitter to me, Marcus Freeman,

979
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 2: Marcus Screaman promoted from within. He is young, he is charismatic,

980
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 2: He's a hell of a recruiter, and I believe that

981
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: for Notre Dame to get to that next gear, they

982
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 2: need and even stronger focus on recruiting if they want

983
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 2: to continue raising the floor. It's just where they have

984
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: to go next. I give them credit for recognizing that

985
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 2: this is the guy who seemingly can help them do that.

986
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 1: It's a huge.

987
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,839
Speaker 2: Shift for Notre Dame in a very brief period of time.

988
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 2: They have gone from the older guy and Brian Kelly

989
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: at the top of this thing, kind of a legacy

990
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: coach has been there for a decade plus to this

991
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:03,240
Speaker 2: young up start. Frankly, it's been a huge brand revival

992
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,080
Speaker 2: in a matter of days and weeks, turning things over

993
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 2: from Brian Kelly who was still successful and was still

994
00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 2: getting recruits to a thirty five year old Marcus Freeman

995
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 2: and a twenty nine year old Tommy Reese.

996
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: We'll see if it works. I don't know.

997
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: I'm hopeful, but that's a lot of brand revival in

998
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 2: a very short period of time. Marcus Freeman is going

999
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: to give them that. He's going to give them I

1000
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 2: think a degree of continuity as well, because not only

1001
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 2: is he staying on staff, but a bunch of the

1002
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 2: heavy hitters outside of Reese are also going to be there.

1003
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 2: So even though Freeman is new at the top, functionally speaking,

1004
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 2: it may not be all that different, which is a

1005
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 2: good spot if you're Marcus Freeman. As for why it

1006
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 2: won't work, tell me why you think.

1007
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: If he's young, he's inexperienced. He's taking over a major

1008
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: program with huge expectations at a unique place. And what

1009
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 1: does quarterback look like moving forward? What is you know,

1010
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: what is different? I mean that's an open question. I

1011
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 1: guess what is the quarterback? What is the offensive vision

1012
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 1: for this Notre Dame team without Brian Kelly. But this

1013
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:27,720
Speaker 1: is a this is a place that largely hires not older,

1014
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 1: but more experienced head coaches who can deal with the intricacy,

1015
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: intricacies and unique challenges of Notre Dame from a more

1016
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:43,239
Speaker 1: grizzled perspective, perhaps especially the guys who have succeeded. And

1017
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: Marcus Freeman isn't that. Marcus Freeman just isn't that. He's

1018
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: also relatively new. He's eleven months, twelve months in South Bend,

1019
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: and so while he is internal, he's not long time

1020
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: Notre Dame defensive coordinator, and so that's just going to

1021
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:03,359
Speaker 1: be new. That's it's just going to be new for him.

1022
00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:07,439
Speaker 1: Uh with uh with the unique challenges of Notre Dame,

1023
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: with you know, the academic requirements, and I think he'll

1024
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: recruit well, I really do. I believe it might even

1025
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: you know, go up a notch consistently. But it's that

1026
00:56:17,160 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: day to day. It's the dealing with players who want

1027
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: to transfer, it's dealing with parents, it's dealing with administrators

1028
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: that he's never done. And same can be said for

1029
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Dan Lanning for sure. But yeah, it's it's the unique

1030
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,640
Speaker 1: difficulties of taking over a major program without having spent

1031
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: a lot of time there. You know, Mario Christapaul did

1032
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: that Orgon he was only there for a year with

1033
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: Willie Taggert. So I, you know, I think it can

1034
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 1: be done. I'm more optimistic than I am concerned. But

1035
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,879
Speaker 1: you know, young guy Green, I think that's the case.

1036
00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,399
Speaker 2: First time head coaches have not done well at Notre Dame.

1037
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: No, there's not.

1038
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,920
Speaker 2: There's not a whole lot of success. The point to

1039
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 2: each situation is different, but they just they haven't. They

1040
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 2: haven't been successful, and it is a unique place. It's

1041
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 2: a tough first job to get, for sure. I think

1042
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 2: he's equipped well to handle it. He certainly seems capable.

1043
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 2: People love him, the players love him. But if we're

1044
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: being objective about this, you have to point out that

1045
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 2: this is a different kind of job that has not

1046
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: always had a whole lot of success for first timers.

1047
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: So why won't it work? We've got a track record

1048
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: on that side. What's the status of his staff.

1049
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: Hiring unclear at this point. The open question at the

1050
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 2: moment is on defense and what that looks like moving forward. Sure,

1051
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 2: that's what I'm looking most forward to finding out more about.

1052
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 2: I've got a couple burning questions about this. Oh okay

1053
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 2: hit most notably at his presser, he talked about how

1054
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 2: he wants to enhance. Use the word enhance a lot, enhance,

1055
00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: enhance enhance. Pete Sampson, our friend who was on the podcast,

1056
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,360
Speaker 2: he asked of what do you mean by that, Marcus?

1057
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: He didn't really answer. It is probably one of those

1058
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: things like you and I when we just sort of

1059
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 2: talk ourselves into a corner and then you're stuck with

1060
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 2: it on the record.

1061
00:58:06,680 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 1: You know, I hope he enhances.

1062
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: That'd be great but I think it was probably something

1063
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 2: you said to be non controversial, and he doesn't have

1064
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: any specifics around that. For the short term, for me,

1065
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: it's can you go to Ohio State in week one

1066
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: and be competitive next year?

1067
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 1: Right?

1068
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: And longer term, can you develop a quarterback? This is

1069
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 2: a defensive guy. Can you develop a quarterback? I don't know.

1070
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: So definitely a ton of burning questions about Marcus Freeman,

1071
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:34,600
Speaker 1: but reasonable we could talk about those in due time.

1072
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: Let's do some quick hitters though. All right, kitters, give me,

1073
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: give me some quick hitters that you're interested in. What

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Speaker 1: jobs out there did we not talk about that we

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Speaker 1: owe a little bit more attention to. I mean, there

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00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: are a lot of them. But you know, Jeff Tedford

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Speaker 1: at Fresno State, you know, can he hire and win

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Speaker 1: like he was able to do before when kaylind Wore

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00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 1: was on staff Jane Norvel, like Colorado State, there were

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Speaker 1: some open questions about their consistency and especially on defense,

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00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: and he's bringing over a lot of guys. He knows.

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00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: Ken Wilson at Nevada, you know, coming over from Oregon

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00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 1: as a linebackers coach, very familiar with that program, and

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00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: so can he rebuild that defense. Can he evaluate and

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00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: find kids because he's a really well thought of coach

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00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: and was at Oregon both from the recruiting perspective and

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Speaker 1: from a coaching perspective, And so what does that look

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00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: like at a place that you can win and is

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00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:31,360
Speaker 1: not terribly far from talent. I'm trying to think, what

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00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, Joe Morehead's going to accurate? I think is fascinating.

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00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: Can he get them back to a bowlish program? It's

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00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: much closer to where he's from in Pittsburgh.

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00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean area, and there are other Power five

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: jobs too, right, TCU and Sunny Dikes. Sonny Dikes is

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00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: from the area. He knows it well.

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Speaker 1: But can he play defense? Yeah, it's defense and quarterback.

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00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,080
Speaker 1: That's It's the name of the game. And what does

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00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: the recruiting operation look like in a pretty fertile part

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00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 1: of the country. His staff is I don't believe complete,

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00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: but has a couple of couple of interesting guys. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's defensive quarterback. It's always been a fall around Sunny

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Speaker 1: Dyke's Yeah.

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01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 2: And by the way, Tech Texas Tech isn't in all

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01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 2: that dissimilar situation, but they've got this huge infusion of

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01:00:14,720 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: enthusiasm now with Joey McGuire, successful high school football coach

1106
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 2: who has taken over was at Baylor for a little bit.

1107
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 2: There's been a lot of steam so far on that program.

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01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 2: People are very excited about him taking over.

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01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: With Kiley by the Way from Western Kentucky as his

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01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. I think exactly so.

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01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they'll put points on the board. I

1112
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 2: think it's a very fascinating program to follow. But another

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01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 2: first timer taking over a big job in Texas Virginia Tech,

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01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,120
Speaker 2: to me is very interesting. I like Brent Prye a lot.

1115
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 2: He's familiar with the region, he's a good recruiter. I

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01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 2: think he will build a good defense. What I do

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01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 2: have questions about, though, is he's a first timer and

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01:00:55,840 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 2: he's hiring two thirty two year old coordinators. Tyler Bowen

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Speaker 2: who comes up. You worked with Tyler Bowen for a

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Speaker 2: couple of years at Penn State. Tyler Bowen's been the

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01:01:06,120 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: tight ends coach at Jacksonville and Chris marv who was

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01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: I think a linebackers coach at Florida State. So first

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Speaker 2: time head coach, two first time coordinators. Not to say

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Speaker 2: it won't work, but talk about playing without a net, right,

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Speaker 2: That's yeah, that's about as high stakes as you're going

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Speaker 2: to get.

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01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I'm not really bringing back a ton

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Speaker 1: on either side of the ball that you're like, Oh,

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Speaker 1: this is the core of a ten win program, especially

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Speaker 1: on offense. So that to me is a question with

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Speaker 1: him Tony Elliott. At Virginia a place that put up

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Speaker 1: monster numbers, it's who can they convince to come back?

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Speaker 1: I saw they just lost an offensive lineman officially to Michigan,

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Speaker 1: I think their center. So it's who can Virginia bring

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01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: back from this offense? And what does he do in

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Speaker 1: terms of fully, you know, going after a defensive coordinator

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01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 1: and a defensive staff who can both recruit and coach

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Speaker 1: their asses off because this Virginia defense was a nightmare

1139
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:04,280
Speaker 1: in terms of production. So a lot of acc questions.

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01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 1: I don't know who I like, Mike Elcho at Duke.

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01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a matter of rebooting and having

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Speaker 1: a vision. After being around so long and in a

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01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,160
Speaker 1: lot of major programs, you know, going from Wake to

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01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: Notre Dame to Texas A and m you know, Duke

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Speaker 1: has a ways forward.

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Speaker 2: I want to know why he took that job in

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Speaker 2: the first place.

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Speaker 1: It's a good question. It's an opportunity, it's a it's

1149
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,040
Speaker 1: good school, good part of the country to live in.

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01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. That's tough. That's tough.

1151
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: If he just wanted that shot, if he was just

1152
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,760
Speaker 1: sick of calling and running a defense and Duke, you know,

1153
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 1: if you turn Duke into back into a bowl team,

1154
01:02:41,480 --> 01:02:45,280
Speaker 1: you can get a bigger job, right. So yes, I

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01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know. It's a springboard. But if

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Speaker 1: he wasn't getting those sort of big twelve sec footprint

1157
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: type looks, then you know, he just felt it was

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Speaker 1: time and he felt confident enough that he could build

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Speaker 1: a good enough defense. He built a good defense at

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01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 1: Wake Forest. You know, they're difficult places to win, and

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01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: Duke is one of them. And so he has that

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: experience in that part of the country. We'll see other jobs,

1163
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: other openings, other higher you know, Don Brown at UMass

1164
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 1: familiarity certainly there with what he did at UMSS when

1165
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: they were an FCS school. Who else Jake Dicker at

1166
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: Wazoo Oh Wazoo. Yeah, I think that's fascinating because he

1167
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 1: is he has looked at some lower levels for his

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01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 1: assistant hires, which has been fascinating. He has what we

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01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: think is a quarterback of the future. There's some talent

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Speaker 1: on that defense, there's familiarity with an internal hire of

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01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: a program younger and without the you know, years experience

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Speaker 1: as a head coach. But I think the players really

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01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: liked playing for him and playing hard for him. The

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Speaker 1: open question is what does that system look like? What

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01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: is on both sides of the ball that you become,

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01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: at the very least a pain in the ass for

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01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: everybody in the PAC twelve? Yeah, yeah, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, please do right in and let us know

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Speaker 2: your thoughts on Clay Helton Georgia Southern, Clay Helton Georgia Southern,

1180
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 2: or Joey Maguire Texas Tech or Mario to Miami or

1181
01:04:06,040 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 2: Marcus Freeman a notre dame or billion aper, Brent vannibles

1182
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,000
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley. Tell me again how to pronounce the Louisiana

1183
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 2: higher Desorma like the jockey disorma, Kent desormo. I think

1184
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 2: Kent Disarmo, Kentucky Derby or something.

1185
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,280
Speaker 1: I love the last name. I love the internal hire,

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01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: I love the enthusiasm.

1187
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