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Speaker 1: we could put more nurses in, and like we want

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00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: this committee like made outside of UM like that, like

427
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: those nurses scheduleds and then we also want them to

428
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: be paid for their time. Hospital disagrees with all of that.

429
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: They don't even want to pay nurses for their time

430
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: to create safe staffing ratios. It's hard. So like the

431
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: people that are empowered, they're just a bunch of narcissists,

432
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: that's all they are. Um, And that's the only way

433
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: to remain empower is to have no empathy for your employees.

434
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: So that is what we're up against. So every negotiation,

435
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm just arguing with a two year old. Yeah,

436
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: I mean it really, and like they really seem like

437
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 1: a kind of people who you can only actually the

438
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: only language they understand is power, and like the only

439
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: way you can get to invest them of anything is

440
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: just like whacking them over the head with it. Which

441
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:23,800
Speaker 1: David Graper had this thing about, Um, it was it him.

442
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 1: I think he had this thing about how like the

443
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: trying to think of how he actually phrased it. It

444
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: was basically like, Okay, if if if you have a

445
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of like if you have like a large amount

446
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: of actual physical power over someone, you don't need to

447
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: like use eloquent arguments at all. You can just sort

448
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: of like tell them what to do and they have

449
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: to do it, and like the less actual physical power

450
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: you have, the more you have to sort of like

451
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 1: use argumentation to like convince people to do things. And

452
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: this this really seems like the peak of cure. A

453
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: bunch of people who have been so powerful for so

454
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 1: long they don't even like they don't even know how

455
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: to make a compelling argument because I've never had to.

456
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: All all they all they've ever had to do is

457
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: use brute force. M h. And it like sucks trying

458
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: to use like logic and reason against people who like

459
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 1: by design don't know and don't want to know how

460
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: to do this because if if they if they're ever

461
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: in a position where they have to, it means that

462
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: their power has been diminished. Mm hmm. Exactly. Well. And

463
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: also nurses like we're natural people pleasers were like kind

464
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: of a we can be a little more submissive, and

465
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: we've been like that for years and we're finally standing

466
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: up for ourselves. And they really don't have arguments. Yeah,

467
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like they're killing people, Like it's like

468
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: they're they're killing people for money. That there's not like

469
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: you know, there's not actual moral justifications here. Exactly I know. Yeah,

470
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: it's just God, what a terrible way to run a

471
00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 1: health care system, like just oh you know, and I

472
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: know a lot of hospitals are getting more into like

473
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: creating executive care and executive hospitals, executive clinics and which

474
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: all that is is just a hospital that is just

475
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: dedicated to exactly like the elites. And you would pay

476
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: that hospital like a country club membership, so like to

477
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: under granted year or whatever it's. They're not going to

478
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: take Medicare, they're not going to take Medicaid. Um, it'll

479
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: be strictly out of pocket, not insurance, out of pocket

480
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: um money. And you can just get all of the

481
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: care you need at that one facility. Um, it'll have

482
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 1: all specialties. You can see them same day, you can

483
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 1: text your doctor. It's just health care that's just on

484
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 1: demand and readily available for those people that can pay it.

485
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: I know, I mean what I Meanwhile, everyone else is

486
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: like waiting seventeen hours with like a hole in them

487
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: in a hallway exactly like fair View is one of

488
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: the hospital chains in our um in Minnesota, and they're

489
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: creating a thousand bed hospital for the ultra elite. They're

490
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: going to be doing that soon. And then they're also

491
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: bargaining with the nurses and saying that they don't have

492
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 1: money to pay them raises, they don't have money to

493
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: give them family leave, they don't have money to um

494
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: create better staffing models, you know. And one of the

495
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: things I keep hearing about this is they're like, oh,

496
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: like the rich hospitals will subsidize the ones that don't

497
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: make money. It's like, no, they won't, Like you're just

498
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: gonna you're just going to keep all of that money

499
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: and continue not funding the poorer hospitals, Like you won't

500
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 1: you already do this. You can't actually fool anyone who

501
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: has a bit more than two seconds like looking at

502
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: this works exactly. I know. I know they're going to

503
00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: prioritize those executive hospitals and just fuddle all their money

504
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: and resources that direction. It'll for sure be non union

505
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 1: and they will push so much non union propaganda athletes too.

506
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it sucks. Suck it, it does suck, I know,

507
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: and just a lot of people don't know about it.

508
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: It's scary what we're what we're heading towards, and that's

509
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: that's that's what we're fighting for, our fighting against and

510
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I will say like I do

511
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: feel like like a lot of the I don't know,

512
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,440
Speaker 1: I've been thinking about this a lot, with like what

513
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: happened in and like why that kind of thing happens,

514
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of like, Okay, there is

515
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 1: any stent to which people sort of don't care about violenceness,

516
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: an extent to which people like are able to sort

517
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: of like rationalize it. But but I think there is

518
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: an extent to which like the average person on the

519
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: street has no idea this is happening until there's like

520
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: sitting in a hospital room, and then they don't understand

521
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: why it's happening, and so I think, yeah, like I

522
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: don't like this. This is not an acceptable state of affairs.

523
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: And I think I don't know, like the when people

524
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: start to fight back, and then when people like actually

525
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: know about what is happening, I think it's gonna be

526
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: like hopefully will become harder and harder for them to

527
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: do this stuff, because you know, hey, like yeah, people

528
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: are literally dying and being like previously injured because the

529
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 1: hospital refuses to pay more. Exactly, No, they just the

530
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: hospitals just push that propaganda that they're underfunded and they

531
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: can't afford stand, they can't afford this, and there's a

532
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: nursing shortage and there's nothing they can do about it.

533
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 1: And it's actually there's not a nursing shortage at all.

534
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: There's a shortage and nurses that want to deal with

535
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 1: this ship. Yeah, they're just leaving the bedside for better jobs.

536
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: I think the thing I want to sort of start

537
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: closing on is about Okay, like that there there is

538
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: some negotiation going on about pay raises because hey, guess

539
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: what inflation is happening, etcetera, etcetera. But like the extent

540
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: to which the negotiations aren't about like a aren't about

541
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: pay because this is something we've been seeing. This is

542
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: a this is a thing with the with the rail

543
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: strike that's temporarily been averted. This is the thing there

544
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:20,359
Speaker 1: has been a thing in a lot of places. It's

545
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: been a thing that's been dragging people out of the

546
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: workplace just everywhere. Is that, Yeah, Like it's like this

547
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: strike isn't really like if I think it's like, I

548
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: don't know, Okay, to tell me if this is wrong.

549
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 1: I don't think the strike would have happened if it

550
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: had just been people not getting paid enough. Like I

551
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: I think if there was adequate staffing, and I think

552
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: if there was, like if people weren't paying for to

553
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: take more patients, like there wouldn't be a strike right now,

554
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: or there wouldn't have been a strike. Yeah. Possibly, Yeah,

555
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,760
Speaker 1: for sure, I think, Um, we're definitely not paid our worth.

556
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 1: But also that's not all we want. There's definitely way

557
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: more to it. Um Yeah, it's um, we just we

558
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: want to reclaim our profession. Yeah. Like it seems like

559
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: it really seems like they're like this the stuff that's happening,

560
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 1: and I think sort of broadly like is like it's

561
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: not just sort of about conversation. It's about the fact

562
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: that for I mean, my entire lifetime for like twenty

563
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: five years, but like before that, like employers have had

564
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: almost limited power and they've used are almost limited power

565
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: to just make everyone's lives absolutely living hell. And they've

566
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: they've used it to sort of like just to force

567
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: to force people to work hours that are like unbelievable,

568
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: to force people to like you know, like like for

569
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: force people to stand there with like like cans so

570
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: they can pee into while they're still on an assembly

571
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: line force people just like this like unbelievably just sort

572
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: of horrible and degrading stuff. That's like it's like, no,

573
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: you can't actually just fix this with higher wages. You

574
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: actually have to change, like something actually has to change

575
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: about how the workplace works, because otherwise people are just

576
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: going to stop. Exactly yeah, exactly, um yeah, I know.

577
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: One of our proposals, we want to work a max

578
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: of three twelve hours shifts in a row because right

579
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: now our contract says we can't work more than seven

580
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 1: twelve hours shifts in a row, and we obviously that

581
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 1: is way too much and that's something that would mean

582
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: even even three is like like isn't really Like every

583
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 1: single time I read one of these things, it's like okay,

584
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 1: like hey, I like, yeah, okay, we we we we

585
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: want for only one of our fingers to be cut

586
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: off per shift instead of four. And it's like this

587
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: is like oh god, It's like the demands are incredibly

588
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: reasonable considering being asked to do, Like Jesus, oh yeah,

589
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: we want the hospitals to have six months of PPE

590
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: on hand at all times. They've already declined that. Yeah.

591
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: I was like, oh who who who needs PPE? Like

592
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 1: really everyone in the splice's like, oh, who who needs

593
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: to have? Who who needs to have like stories of

594
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: critical spare parts? No one this this will never come

595
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: back to haunts. We will never be in any position

596
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: where we said you don't have the spirit parts. Oh

597
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: my god, yeah I know. Um, we have a pandemic

598
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: proposal we want, um, we want to pass and that's

599
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: just to give the nurses the power to decide, um

600
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: what we need when another pandemic hits. Um to provide

601
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: SafeCare and like safety for ourselves. Um. Yeah, the hospitals

602
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: didn't include us on any decisions during the pandemic. It

603
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 1: was yeah, we were just used and abused. Yeah, and

604
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:56,160
Speaker 1: um we had to use our own sick time and

605
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: vacation if we were exposed or if we had quarantines

606
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: or we're nursed with COVID Yeah, which also I wouldn't like.

607
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 1: But did you get COVID? What is happening? Um? I

608
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: only had it once that I know of. Yeah, I

609
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: mean okay, oldly had it once. Is like like, I

610
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: don't know anyone who worked as a nurse who didn't

611
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: get COVID at least once, and most of them got

612
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: it at least twice. Oh yeah, just god, I don't know.

613
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 1: That's just so bleak, like I know, and it just

614
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: depended on like your patient population. I'm in surgery, so

615
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm a little more like guarded from that um COVID population.

616
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: You know, we only did surgery if if UM they

617
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: really needed it done and if they were positive for COVID,

618
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 1: so we kind of got to pick and choose a

619
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: little bit. UM. But other nurses obviously they could not

620
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: avoid COVID. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. It's just God, like,

621
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: I can't just go like just this is just the

622
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: worst possible way you can run a medical system. And

623
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:18,440
Speaker 1: it's just I know, and I know, like I know

624
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: in UM. Let see, Sanford is another big hospital joint

625
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: giant that's like in South Dakota, North Dakota, and I'm

626
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: from South Dakota, so that's kind of all like really

627
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: hits home for me. UM is they're hiring seven foreign

628
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: nurses like from Venezuela, Mexico wherever. Um as like they're

629
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 1: pretty much using them as travel nurses, UM just to

630
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: avoid actual travel nurses here. UM. They will bring them

631
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: here UM by and they'll sign like a three year

632
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: contract um, the hospital will provide housing for them and

633
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: and they will drop wages significantly. In the nursing world,

634
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: especially in South Dakota and North Dakota, they're definitely not

635
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: going to be paid their worth. I know they're going

636
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: to be exploited more than we are. I had family

637
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: like the actually did the ante calls talking about who

638
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: are doctors, Like we're in North Dakota for a bit,

639
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: and they were just like this is the worst, and

640
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: they like they left for like they left for a

641
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: vast improvement and being in a hospital in Nebraska, which

642
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: is like yeah. And I also like I want to

643
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,239
Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit because this is like

644
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: a this is interesting what the Philippines too, where like

645
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,319
Speaker 1: there's there's like there are a whole industries of like

646
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,760
Speaker 1: basically training people and then shipping them to the US

647
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: so they can be like just horribly exploited. Um. And

648
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: then that's been like one of the things that's been

649
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like bolstering the prophets of the

650
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: medical sector for a long time is the usually just

651
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: like import people and exploit them. Yeah, and like the

652
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 1: fact that they're like, oh god, this is some like

653
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 1: the the fact that these people are gonna be like

654
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: living in like houses that are owned by their bosses.

655
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: Is some real like yeah gilded age ship. Yeah, I

656
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: mean well, I mean the thing I think it most

657
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: like this is this is like standard practice in China,

658
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: for example, and it's a disaster. Like I like, I

659
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if people have ever actually seen

660
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: pictures of what the inside of these dormitories look like,

661
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: but like it is like these are you get a

662
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: room that is like smaller than the college dorm room

663
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: that doesn't have air conditioning that like I don't know,

664
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Speaker 1: I I we talked about on this show, like the

665
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 1: which we talked about a worker like a couple of

666
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago who like died from the heat wave because

667
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: when he came home, I mean, he people working a

668
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: bunch of shifts and he had to work, like he

669
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: had to work a shift in like a hundred and

670
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 1: four degrees like loading stuff onto a train, and he

671
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: came back home and there was no air conditioning and

672
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: he's in this tunty apartment. He died in his bed

673
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: because you know, it was it was too hot, and

674
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 1: like like this is the kind of stuff that happens,

675
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: especially when you have, like like when when when you're

676
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 1: sleeping in corporate dormitories and we're sleeping in a place

677
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: that like your boss owns, Like this is the ship

678
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:12,919
Speaker 1: that happens, and it's really really bleak. And I hope

679
00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: these people are able to unionize and like fight their bosses,

680
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I don't know it. Yeah, well, I

681
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: mean fear of being exiled. I highly doubt they're going

682
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 1: to be able to unionize. Yeah, because yeah, because I

683
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: mean I say everything, like like the way the visa

684
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:34,120
Speaker 1: process works, right, Like it's really easy to like if

685
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 1: someone's here to work visa and then suddenly you're like, oh, hey,

686
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: I want to unize, is like, well, nope, screw you.

687
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:47,680
Speaker 1: You don't have a job anymore. We're gonna get you deported. Yeah, exactly,

688
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: which I mean, I guess it's it's it's you know,

689
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 1: it's it's it's another one of those things where like

690
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: like we all of the different sort of disparate like

691
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 1: fights people are having our acted like like this, this

692
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: this wouldn't be happening, like if we didn't have the

693
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,719
Speaker 1: sort of border regime that we have right now, Like okay,

694
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: if firmigration system wasn't just like you know, and like

695
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: and it just like if it wasn't just like a

696
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: giant like torture machine for millions of people, the stuff

697
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be happening if you weren't in this sort of

698
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: moments of like you know, if you if you weren't

699
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 1: at a moment where the power of unions has been

700
00:44:26,239 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: collapsing for decades, Like if you weren't and if you

701
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,479
Speaker 1: weren't in a place where like I mean even even

702
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: even sort of like on on on the level of

703
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: Obama going like we're not gonna like we're gonna make

704
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: our healthcare system worse because it will cost insurance jobs

705
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: if you make it any better. Like it's just like

706
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: uh yeah, like like I feel like I feel like

707
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: the medical sector is like like people do. Working in

708
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: healthcare is like it's one of these places where just

709
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: like every possible it it's kind of it's kind of

710
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: like prisons where it's like everything that's gone wrong in

711
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 1: our society just like gets focused into like one nexus

712
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: point and it's the point where people have to go

713
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: where they die, I know. And the only thing that's

714
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 1: holding hospitals accountable are unions. In this country. Yeah, if

715
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: there was no unions, the wages would be much lower.

716
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 1: And I don't even know where healthcare would be right now. Yeah,

717
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. Not good. I mean like I can't

718
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: I can keep going back to China because it's like

719
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: that's like the other healthcare system as a disaster that

720
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:39,680
Speaker 1: like I have family and it's like, well, I mean,

721
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 1: I guess the thing that's been happening in the U

722
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: S too, of like the increasing violence you can staff,

723
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: but like China has a huge, a huge problem with

724
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: basically riots breaking out because people like someone's family member

725
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: dies because their their care was really bad, and so

726
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: they'll just be like a riot and people will go

727
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 1: tack the doctors. It's like yeah, and it's like okay,

728
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: like I get why they're doing this, but it's like

729
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: it sucks, and this is this is a huge problem

730
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: they've had with with retention because their numbers are like

731
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 1: they're they're like their staff to patient ratios are unreal

732
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: awful and yeah, and like you know like that that

733
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff makes health care systems fall apart absolutely. Yeah, yeah,

734
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: and that's kind of like they've been doing that here.

735
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 1: I mean, hospitals have been demonizing nurses instead of like

736
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 1: actually saying that they do have institutional failures and it's

737
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: their faults and we're only as strong as like the

738
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: safety protocols and policies that are in place. Yeah, and

739
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: like I mean, like the best nurse in the world

740
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: can't be three nurses, Like yeah, it's actually yeah yeah

741
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: and yeah. So if they kind of do this for

742
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: a nursing deal, um, I mean South Dakota and at

743
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: Dakota their right to work states, so they it's almost

744
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: impossible to unionize. You can, but it's it takes a

745
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: lot of work. Uh, but when most your staff is

746
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: already travelers, like I was told by another nurse, like

747
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: in North Dakota, Sanford their staff is travelers, Well, how

748
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 1: the help can you even attempt to unionize? And that's

749
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: that's the goal of hospitals is just to create so

750
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: much turnover where yeah, I mean it's just yes, just

751
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 1: turning hospitals into Amazon, which the system meditoriously works great,

752
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Like it's exactly, and travelers m are less likely to

753
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: speak up because they're just afraid of their contract being

754
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 1: canceled or they're going to be blacklisted, and blacklisted just

755
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: means like there's a um common website that all hospitals

756
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 1: will go on just to look at travel nurses that

757
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 1: are recommended, um not to call all or not to

758
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 1: give a contract to Jesus Yeah, exactly so, and you

759
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: can blacklist a nurse for any reason, um yeah, and

760
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: the reasons they're not disclosed. It just says do not

761
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: call next to that name. Well, that completely ruins their

762
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: travel career. Yeah, it's like it's amazing. It's so formalized.

763
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: Like I know people have been blacklisted from other professions,

764
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: but it was like very like it was kind of

765
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: an under the table thing. This is just like not

766
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: a not We're we were literally going to put your

767
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: name on a list that everyone just has, Like oh god,

768
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So if there is you know, safety issues

769
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 1: at a hospital, those nurses are less likely to speak

770
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: up and they're less likely to even you know, leave

771
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: their contract because they're afraid of retaliation like that. It

772
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: just incentivizes just a terrible care. Yeah okay, we we Well,

773
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: we have now spent an enormous amount of time talking

774
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 1: about how unbelievably messed up this whole system is. Um

775
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: what can people do to a help this strike and

776
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: be like, will help with contract negotiations and be like,

777
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: just in general, try to fight for better health care

778
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,720
Speaker 1: for people. I know I've been asked that a lot too. UM.

779
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: We do have a website with um M and a

780
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: Minnesota nursing association where we do like to have people

781
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: share their stories about surprise bills or firsthand experiences with understaffing, UM,

782
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 1: et cetera. UM, and that's something like we've just been

783
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: kind of collecting stories, UM, just so we can kind

784
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: of keep exposing the corruption. UM. Also, donating to our

785
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,840
Speaker 1: strike fund is always much appreciated. Yeah, yeah, we can

786
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: it will put it, put a link to that in

787
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: the description. Yeah, that's how you create change, just this

788
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,359
Speaker 1: public pressure. Yeah. Do you do you have anywhere else

789
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: anything else that you want to say? I don't think so.

790
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I feel like I covered a lot. UM. Yeah,

791
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to bring awareness to this topic. Yeah,

792
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: thank you so much for bringing on the show. I'm

793
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: for talking to us about this because yeah, this is

794
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: definitely something that people need to hear, and I'm really

795
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: glad you're able to join us. Thank you for having

796
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,919
Speaker 1: me appreciate it. Yeah, this has been nickuld Happen Here,

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00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:38,600
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Speaker 1: usual places. Uh yeah. Make make the world a better

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Speaker 1: place for nurses and a worse place for hospital executives. Yes,

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