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Speaker 1: On today's episode, PlayStation, Rings of Power Update, Captain America,

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Speaker 1: Brave New World Update, comic book writer Jenny Blake, Isabella's transitioning,

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Speaker 1: and more news news coming up. Hello, my name is

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Speaker 1: Jason Steptone and I'm marsday Night, and welcome to Next

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Speaker 1: our vision of the podcast where we dive deep with

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Speaker 1: your favorite shows, movie, comics, and pop culture, coming to

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Speaker 1: you from My Heart Podcast. We're bringing you three episodes

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Speaker 1: every week, plus.

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Speaker 2: News on today.

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Speaker 3: And in today's news episode, or if we call it

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Speaker 3: previously on, we are catching up on the biggest geek

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Speaker 3: news of the week.

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Speaker 2: Including Rings of Power.

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Speaker 3: It's coming back for season three and that's going to

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Speaker 3: be a time jump. And let's talk about those Thursday

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Speaker 3: previews of Captain America, Brave New World, what the box

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Speaker 3: very interesting anonymous source that explains why there was some

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Speaker 3: issues with the highly anticipated Marvel movie.

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Speaker 2: But first, let's talk about news.

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Speaker 1: First up, we've got a new PlayStation State of Play

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Speaker 1: There is a much anticipated release date trailer for the

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Speaker 1: new Metal Gear Metal Gear Solid Delta Snake Eater august

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Speaker 1: so that's exciting. We also got a new release trailer

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was excited to see this trailer for Saros,

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Speaker 3: which is a new game. Very cinematic trailer, very doony

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Speaker 2: So I thought that looked really cool.

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Speaker 3: I am all so just generally interested to know.

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Speaker 2: I want to know what's next.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we're on the edge right now of

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Speaker 3: I want to know what the next Xbox is. I

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Speaker 1: Usually about the lifespan, I was interested in this The

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Speaker 1: Gone remaster, the twenty nineteen zombie game that came out

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Speaker 1: good game. Next up, Rings of Power officially renewed for

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Speaker 1: Season three takes place at the height of the War

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Speaker 1: after this. And we're back, let's talk. Captain America Brave

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Speaker 1: New World mustling to the weekend with twelve million dollars

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Speaker 1: but there's inflationary forces and other things. This is a

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Speaker 1: Vulture released a anonymously sourced article that taps a member

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Speaker 1: to quote from the article now quote in particular Harrison

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Speaker 1: Ford's Red Hulk, Thatteus Thunderbolt Ross character created uncomfortable political

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Speaker 1: To be sure, the reshirts reshoots took place last summer,

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Speaker 1: Brave New World. Indeed, in July, the studio altered a

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Speaker 1: And finally, legendary comic book writer Jenny Blake Isabella has

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Speaker 4: Thank you. It's Dreamer, not dream.

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Speaker 4: No, They're like, hey, do you want to write this

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Speaker 4: Yeah, right, Like everyone would go crazy for that, but

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Speaker 2: Where is she? Where is she after this? Where where

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Speaker 4: I don't know if. First of all, I think one

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Speaker 3: Oh, Nicoly, you're so coming back, Like, let's have you

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Speaker 4: Look, I'm just saying, okay, okay, here's my pitch show

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Speaker 1: Well, coming out of Absolute Power it was a great event.

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Speaker 4: finding them all in their respective denials. Grieving processes is

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Speaker 4: typhoons of guilt. Like Junior has been in this space

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Speaker 4: bad time and now she's just like so convinced she's

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Speaker 4: a bad person. And guess what, so is John Kent

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Speaker 4: because he's thought that for a second that he he

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Speaker 4: Waller goes ahead and forcibly turns some into one. And

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Speaker 4: so he Now when we find John, he is so like,

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Speaker 4: it's over, it's done. I'm fine, My boyfriend and I

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Speaker 4: are gonna move to San Francisco. I'm gonna bring him

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Speaker 4: takeout and everything's gonna be fine. Oh wait, no, it's not,

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Speaker 4: because my boyfriend is like spiraling into like a downward

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Speaker 4: spiral of hate, anger, grief, and like need for vengeance.

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Speaker 4: And Jay is exactly that because what else can he do.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is so especially John, is so eager to just

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Speaker 4: wash their hands of all this and get back to normal,

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Speaker 4: and Jay's like, I can't do that. I couldn't do

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Speaker 4: that anyway. And then there was a brief window of

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Speaker 4: time where I had my family back and I had

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Speaker 4: my home back, my people were safe, and then it

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Speaker 4: happened all over again with someone who was demonstrably worse

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Speaker 4: than Henry Gottis, and our friend helped her do it.

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Speaker 4: You're defending her and saying, oh, it wasn't her fault.

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Speaker 4: Oh she didn't have a choice. Oh she didn't know

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Speaker 4: any better. She always knows better. That's literally her thing

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Speaker 4: is she supposed to know better. So how are you

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Speaker 4: sitting here defending her? I'm angry and a little obsessed.

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Speaker 4: And then Nia shows up. She's a.

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Speaker 2: Lawler's missing what's going on there? I've been trying to get.

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Speaker 4: Space because I know him on your shitless But but

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Speaker 4: you should know.

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Speaker 2: I gotta ask.

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Speaker 3: I love that you have gone from like this journey

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Speaker 3: of discovering DC comics to now write in comics.

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Speaker 2: With some deeply, deeply deep cut character. Does it?

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Speaker 3: Because you're talking about Catman, Black Alice, even dead Shot?

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Speaker 2: Not everyone knows even though they fucking should.

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Speaker 3: They should by now, I mean it's dead Shot, come on,

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Speaker 3: but you gotta try, Like, how did you pick the

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Speaker 3: characters that would become your secret sick?

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Speaker 4: At first? When we were deciding it wasn't going to

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Speaker 4: have original members, and at first I was thinking like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'll stay in this little like gaggle that is naturally formed,

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Speaker 4: and I think the other three members were going to

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Speaker 4: be Damian Wayne, Galaxy and Galaxy's dog Argus because Scooby

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Speaker 4: Doo only has four.

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Speaker 3: Members, five members.

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Speaker 4: What we were pretty quick to be like, no, this

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Speaker 4: needs to have at least half returning members. We need

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Speaker 4: to have familiar faces, like also in reading, like the

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Speaker 4: original Secret Six obviously it's so iconic, original in the two

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Speaker 4: thousand and eight, two thousand and five Secret Sexes, and

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Speaker 4: of course the original one too that didn't have the

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Speaker 4: same cast to have it be so lightning in a

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Speaker 4: bottle and magical and like kind of the perfect comic

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Speaker 4: book runs, specifically the two thousand and eight, which if

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Speaker 4: you haven't reread, holy shit, go read it. But we

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Speaker 4: knew we wanted to have three returning members, and once

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Speaker 4: we kind of decided that it was, that was kind

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Speaker 4: of easy. I knew one was gonna be Black Alice

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Speaker 4: because we already had that relationship with Dreamer she was

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Speaker 4: on the suicide squad. It felt like the kind of natural, like, oh,

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Speaker 4: if we're going after Amanda.

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Speaker 5: Well this is someone and someone else who's gonna want

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Speaker 5: to do as their's planet was like her whole walk

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Speaker 5: into the sunset moment of like you know, I'm free

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Speaker 5: and I'm gonna go wherever I want.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna do whatever. And then the next time we

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Speaker 4: see her Amanda Waller is scooped her up, and so

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Speaker 4: Black Alice finds herself repeatedly being the most powerful person

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Speaker 4: in any given room at any given time, but she

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Speaker 4: still somehow always manages to just be like a tool

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Speaker 4: for frankly less powerful beings to just like for their

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Speaker 4: own ends. So she's like, fuck everybody, I'm I'm going vengeance. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'm with I'm with the pink haired one. Hell yeah.

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Speaker 4: And then Catman and dead Shot were really easy too,

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Speaker 4: because I was like, as soon as Secret It's gonna

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Speaker 4: be Catman in dead Shot. That's not like we're picking

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Speaker 4: Secret six members. It's gonna be cat Man a dead Shot,

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Speaker 4: And for them I knew I wanted to pick up from.

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Speaker 4: This is what always get confused by that iconic splashed

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Speaker 4: that was two thousand and five. That wasn't I believe

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Speaker 4: playe Do you know what I'm talking about? The one

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Speaker 4: where they're in the in the kitchen in their underwear.

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Speaker 4: It's not in the gun to each other's throat.

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Speaker 2: You're like, secretics law, what.

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Speaker 4: Are people reading Secret six?

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Speaker 3: Come on?

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Speaker 4: Before? If not hoping that I will write some.

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Speaker 3: Wrong, I was like, does this mean we're getting an

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Speaker 3: underweest splash page in Secret six.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if we're getting an underwear splash page,

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Speaker 4: but their reunion is very cranked up to eleven right away.

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Speaker 4: They have some unfinished business.

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Speaker 2: If you need a.

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Speaker 4: If you need a glimpse into what Catman and Deadshot's

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Speaker 4: relationship is, watch kill bill both of them.

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Speaker 2: This is just I love that. Well, great inspiration.

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Speaker 1: Well A Secret six comes out March fifth, available for

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Speaker 1: pre orders now, Nicole, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 4: This is fantastic. We have to talk about Star Wars.

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Speaker 2: Please come back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say come back anytime.

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Speaker 2: This was week. We could have kept going. We got

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Speaker 2: to talk about Star Wars. We'll make it happen.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here's my go for it.

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Speaker 2: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: Okay, picture this set in the Clone Wars era Quinlan

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Speaker 4: Voss series. Yes, I mean like inessential Ray Jedi please

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Speaker 4: buy his own room.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you said, great Jedi, you were meant to be here.

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Speaker 3: That's a phrase that we belove. We love on this show.

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Speaker 2: We always got that. What is what is? She's a

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Speaker 2: great job, Discord, Nicole.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna love this episode.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on. You're the best.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate you. We did it, guys, We do it.

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Speaker 1: Hey. On next week's episodes of Extra Vision, we're diving

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Speaker 1: into recap of the Yellow Jackets premiere. Or do we

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Speaker 1: get back on the train, do we get off the train?

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Speaker 1: Do we dip a toe on the in the jacuzzi

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Speaker 1: and just kind of say we'll see, we'll see, and

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Speaker 1: recover the final of your Friendly neighborhood spine Man. That's

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Speaker 1: it for news, Thanks for listening by.

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