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Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we gotta admit where suckers

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Speaker 1: for Cowboys hype Every once in a while, this is

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Speaker 1: usually the time of year that it happens. I'm Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: I am here at Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, California,

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Speaker 1: starting off the show solo. You know, Patrick Claibhn's doing

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Speaker 1: Fantasy Live. Jordan's over in Minnesota doing joint practices, and

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Speaker 1: we appreciate you watching this YouTube special. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: two cowboys coming on the show in just a little bit,

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Speaker 1: Dante Fowler and Demarvion Overshown and great conversations with both

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Speaker 1: of them, so look forward to that. But just a

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Speaker 1: couple of takeaways about being here. It's just different. The

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Speaker 1: Cowboys are just different. When I say I'm a sucker

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Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, you know, part of it is the

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Speaker 1: setup here. Like most of these training camps we go to,

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Speaker 1: it's minimal. Here, it's like all these foods, all this concessions,

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Speaker 1: like everything is just bigger and there's more media here.

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Speaker 1: On the twenty sixth day, I believe it was of

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys being in California. I mean that's insane. Over

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Speaker 1: three weeks they have been here, and yet there is

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Speaker 1: more media here at a training camp practice in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the week than at postgame regular season games

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Speaker 1: for a lot of NFL city So it's just different.

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Speaker 1: And then you see Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones up,

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Speaker 1: you know, high above the practice field, and it just

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Speaker 1: reminds me of Bear Bryant back in the day. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'm just like aging myself that I even know who

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Speaker 1: Bear Bryan is, but like, this is old school football.

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Speaker 1: I know, Chris Bobona doesn't know anything about this. You

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Speaker 1: got Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and they've built a

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Speaker 1: tower at Cowboys training camp and they're just watching everything

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Speaker 1: below them. They are the Kings and that is their dominion.

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Speaker 1: And that's how football practices used to be used to

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Speaker 1: be Bear Bryant at Alabama with a big megaphone yelling

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Speaker 1: at all of his players from up above in the tower.

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Speaker 1: And that's like, I don't know if that's the best

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Speaker 1: way to connect with your players, and you don't need

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Speaker 1: to connect like that when you're an owner. But Jerry

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Speaker 1: up against his team. It is a connection to that,

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Speaker 1: like old school football, and it's just different. It's truly

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Speaker 1: a family organization in a way that the NFL used

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Speaker 1: much any more. No one's doing it like they're doing

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Speaker 1: it for good and bad. So takeaways from the field today,

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Speaker 1: it was just good to see Dak Prescott throwing dartso

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Speaker 1: all over the field, just making the right decisions. It

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Speaker 1: looked a little too easy for him at times. I

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Speaker 1: like this Cowboys address group. A little more on that

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Speaker 1: in a minute, But for the most part, he was

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Speaker 1: protected very well. He finds his open receivers. He's just

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Speaker 1: the smartest dude on the field, and he was very

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Speaker 1: sharp in general. What are you gonna do with this secondary?

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Speaker 1: That's the problem that I worry the most about with

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But you have Cedee Lamb and George Pickens

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Speaker 1: and that's a big thing. I think the average fan

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Speaker 1: probably doesn't realize Deron ban Bland, he's back, he's healthy.

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Speaker 1: You got a couple really talented guys that were on

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Speaker 1: We were looking on our ace cameraman and photographer and

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Speaker 1: producer Sam here. You know, he's taken photos of practice

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Speaker 1: and Ceedee Lamb dusted some guy so badly. And I

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Speaker 1: know that Donovan Wilson, the safety on the play, like

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Speaker 1: but the cornerback gets dusted so badly. He's not in

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Speaker 1: any of the camera shots because Ceedee Lambs beat him

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Speaker 1: got me kind of thinking about like how good this

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Speaker 1: They also have a rookie Trayshawn Holden, who's looked pretty

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Speaker 1: have a seventh round running back in Phil MafA that

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Speaker 1: MafA just looks like he's a guy that you have

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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer was asked during his press conference, like what's the

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Speaker 1: was the decisions that's coming that he doesn't really know.

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Speaker 1: He admitted where they're going at a few different position battles,

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Speaker 1: They got to figure out their cornerback rotation from three

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Speaker 1: got me thinking about something I've been talking about this

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Speaker 1: I mean I've talked to different reporters who I think

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Speaker 1: who's having a good camp. But who's having a good

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Speaker 1: different ballgame. And it's very tough to translate whether they're

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Speaker 1: It's very small and sometimes you don't know the reasons

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Speaker 1: of it, Dante Fowler in just a second, is so

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Speaker 1: so you'll hear that in a second too. Though Sam

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Speaker 1: He is getting the most first team reps opposite Dante Fowler,

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Speaker 1: who's coming off a really good season for Washington. Fowler

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Speaker 1: but you're rotating in your first round pick or early

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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys have a better fifth guy then

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Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm looking forward to you guys hearing these interviews.

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Speaker 1: Here is Dante Fowler, and then right after that the

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Speaker 1: linebacker Demarvion Overshow all right, we are here with the

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Speaker 1: veteran linebacker edge rusher of the Dallas Cowboys, Dante Fowler,

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Speaker 1: coming off a long practice on the practice and a

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Speaker 1: long stay out here in California. You guys are like residents.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean I used to live out here back in

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen, nineteen. Right, I'm ready to go home.

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Speaker 2: Man. I was excited to be here first, but I

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Speaker 2: was like, it's time to go home, for sure.

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Speaker 1: That's a humble way of saying. You went to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl with the Rams. Yeah, you know, it's funny.

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Speaker 1: I was doing some research. I do that sometimes. Are

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Speaker 1: you aware that you had the most sacks of anyone,

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Speaker 1: or at least tied for the most if anyone in

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Speaker 1: the twenty seventeen playoffs with the Jaguars. You had a

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't know that, but I mean I know

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Speaker 3: I was getting off though, for sure. I know I

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Speaker 1: And a follow up, I hate to ask you, does

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Speaker 1: that mean that you hate Tom Brady more than any

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Speaker 1: man in the world, because that's one time in the

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's really cool just to get out the Tom.

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Speaker 3: That's my favorite quarterback of all toms, so growing up

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Speaker 2: And stuff like that. That's that's super cool.

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Speaker 1: All right, we got we got one of your teammates

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Speaker 3: They're not afraid of shoving in my face, like, they're

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, Dante Fowler, Thank you man. All right, were

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm a believer in the man, and I

437
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Speaker 5: know my plan, So I knew that wasn't it for me.

438
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Speaker 4: I knew how hard I.

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Speaker 5: Trained, how hard I rehab, and you know how much

440
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Speaker 5: I was prayed upon. So once you take that upon,

441
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 5: the feel with you everything else is out to do.

442
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Speaker 5: And now you know the passion that I love playing

443
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Speaker 5: and the reason I played this game. Now, that's that's

444
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Speaker 5: an excitement. You know, I've been holding that in for

445
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Speaker 5: a year, so all the negative is out the door.

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Speaker 1: Who would you compare yourself to? You're a fascinating player,

447
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Speaker 1: watching you do a little bit of everything. So for

448
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Speaker 1: me watching as like an analyst'm I try to think, like,

449
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Speaker 1: who are you like? Is there someone that you pat

450
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Speaker 1: yourself after or that you think kind of puts together

451
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Speaker 1: some of the similar skill sets?

452
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Speaker 5: Uh, I would say I used to say a lot

453
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Speaker 5: Darius Leonard. I used to say him a lot, and

454
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Speaker 5: then but I was I came in as a safety

455
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Speaker 5: out of high school to college, so I always wanted

456
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Speaker 5: to be the cam chancellor. But before my games, I

457
00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 5: watched ray Lewis highlights because I knew if I was

458
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Speaker 5: ever a linebacker any point, I wanted to be a

459
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Speaker 5: ray Lewis type, you know, head hunting type linebacker. So

460
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Speaker 5: really those guys is who I watched coming into the league,

461
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Speaker 5: and you know, all throughout college.

462
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Speaker 1: What's it been like when you when you were on

463
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Speaker 1: the field, obviously last year and anytime previous lining up

464
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Speaker 1: and trying to figure out what Dak Prescott is doing

465
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Speaker 1: and has as a linebacker like kind of being down

466
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Speaker 1: the other side of him, A veteran in the league

467
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Speaker 1: for so long, and someone I think of as one

468
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Speaker 1: of the most mentally sharp quarterbacks like in the entire NFL.

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Speaker 1: What has that done for you as a player.

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Speaker 5: It's definitely, you know, matured me way faster than if

471
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Speaker 5: I would have win somebody that's you know, not blessed

472
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Speaker 5: with a quarterback like that. You know, he's like you said,

473
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Speaker 5: he's a veteran in his game. He's one of the

474
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Speaker 5: sharpest minded quarterbacks in the in the league. So you

475
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Speaker 5: go through practices and you get like some of his

476
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Speaker 5: tendencies and you would get like why he checked this

477
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Speaker 5: when he see this and he sees certain defenses. So

478
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Speaker 5: I've definitely you know, not only is he like you know,

479
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 5: practicing against us, but the things that he's audibleling and

480
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Speaker 5: he's doing. You know, I'm able to learn from to

481
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Speaker 5: see what other quarterbacks are seeing in the league. And

482
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Speaker 5: you know, once you can get a good feel on

483
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Speaker 5: Dak Prescott, I feel like you know, you're you're with

484
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Speaker 5: that top ten percent in the quarterbacks where you can

485
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Speaker 5: play against any of the quarterbacks in the league and

486
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Speaker 5: be good.

487
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Speaker 1: So I saw Matt Abraflis just walk by, great hair

488
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Speaker 1: and beard by.

489
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Speaker 5: The way, Hey, hey, he got it going on, like

490
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Speaker 5: I don't even know his age, but I know it's

491
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Speaker 5: like it's young, and like he keep hisself well maintained.

492
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Speaker 4: And he got it going on with you. He got

493
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Speaker 4: it going on.

494
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Speaker 1: When he was on hard knocks. It was this whole thing.

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Speaker 1: It was like the ebers Flus Renaissance. And I had

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Speaker 1: some some some people eber Flus looks good. I am curious.

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Speaker 1: So what is defense is going to look like? Here?

498
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Speaker 1: And and so you've been obviously in a few defenses

499
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Speaker 1: now with Dallas a few years ago, dan Quinn's here

500
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Speaker 1: and then and last year Zimmer, what what do you

501
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Speaker 1: think defines this Eberflus defense.

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Speaker 5: I think it's the thing that he says the most

503
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Speaker 5: in his style over scheme, and that's the running, hidden.

504
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Speaker 4: Nature of his defenses.

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Speaker 5: I feel like you turn on the tape all the

506
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 5: time you see seven plus ball defenders around, each ball

507
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 5: carried no matter where they at on the field. Uh

508
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Speaker 5: and and takeaways and you know, forcing quarterbacks to play

509
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Speaker 5: uncomfortably all year and all all game and you know

510
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Speaker 5: the toy with they mind showing different coverages and dropping

511
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Speaker 5: into another one. So, uh, you know the way that

512
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 5: he just looks at the game plays you know it's

513
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 5: our defense is attack defense, and so that's how you

514
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,359
Speaker 5: got to coach it. And I feel like, you know

515
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 5: the greatness of our defense can be measured just by

516
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 5: how hard we practice and how hard we play. It

517
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 5: won't be off of mental errors or missed assignments. It's

518
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: gonna be more so on you know, did you really

519
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,399
Speaker 5: give you all this play? Like are you really you know,

520
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,359
Speaker 5: trying to be one of the closest ones at the

521
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Speaker 5: end of the play when the when the whistle is blown,

522
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Speaker 5: Because at the end of the day, that that just

523
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Speaker 5: shows you know, your love for your brother. And that's

524
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Speaker 5: that's how he coached. So that's what I'm really most

525
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Speaker 5: excited about, because I know, you know, once you get

526
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Speaker 5: eleven guys playing with their heads on fire like you can,

527
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Speaker 5: the scheme is gonna work. Regardless, like you got guys

528
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 5: out there that's really wanting to play football like you

529
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Speaker 5: the scheme is gonna work.

530
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Speaker 1: You know, I just thought that he have Shack Leonard

531
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Speaker 1: Darius Leonard back of.

532
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Speaker 5: The he has shack and so we get to see

533
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Speaker 5: some of his felms. Him and coach Ghans showed me

534
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Speaker 5: some of his clips all the time, and you know,

535
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Speaker 5: that's a guy like I said that I looked looked

536
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Speaker 5: at coming into the league, being one of those long,

537
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Speaker 5: you know, more lankier linebackers, side line of sideline making plays.

538
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Speaker 5: So definitely knowing that they coached him, coached the great

539
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Speaker 5: Sean Sean Lee. He actually he doesn't, He don't call

540
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Speaker 5: me Sean, but now it's shown, so I think he

541
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Speaker 5: think he found him another a Sean Lee prodega in

542
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Speaker 5: You know, I'm totally fine with that. You know, I

543
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 5: watched his film all the time, and he was a

544
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,600
Speaker 5: man amongst boys at times, and you know, he just

545
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,880
Speaker 5: felt like he knew before everybody else knew in the stadium.

546
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 5: And that's really what I'm trying to translate my game to.

547
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 5: And I know Flus is gonna help me get to

548
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Speaker 5: that point.

549
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Speaker 1: That's a good come for you. Actually, now I think

550
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Speaker 1: about it, just because man Shawn Lee and you, I

551
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Speaker 1: think both play with a certain sort of energy that

552
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Speaker 1: that just pops off film. I'll leave you this is

553
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 1: there is there like a running back or tight end

554
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Speaker 1: that you've gone against, whether in a game or in practice,

555
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Speaker 1: that like impresses you the most. You know that that

556
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Speaker 1: gives you the most amount of trouble, or just does

557
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: something that that that lets you know like, Okay, this

558
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Speaker 1: is great.

559
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Speaker 4: Anybody teammate or that I played.

560
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Speaker 1: Against, any anybody, anybody you want.

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Speaker 5: I probably get this question, and I probably get the

562
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Speaker 5: same answer every time, but I'm gonna give my my answer,

563
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Speaker 5: and the answer is b John Robinson. I don't think

564
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 5: I've ever seen a better football player, a better anything.

565
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Speaker 4: Whatever.

566
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Speaker 5: Whatever he does, I feel like he's the best at

567
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 5: I mean, he sees stuff before it even happens. The

568
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 5: contact balances off the radar, the you don't notice how

569
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Speaker 5: fast he is until you get behind him. But when

570
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 5: you're watching film, it's like everything he do is just

571
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 5: so smooth, but it's it's fast. So that's that's one

572
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 5: guy I would say, you know, you turn on his tape,

573
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Speaker 5: he's gonna look like the best player on the on

574
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Speaker 5: the field all the time.

575
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Speaker 1: That checks out. Appreciate having you on. Good luck with

576
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Speaker 1: the rest of your recovery, and we look forward to

577
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 1: seeing you on the field later.

578
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: This year.

579
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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Thank you.

580
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Speaker 1: All right, that was a great day at Cowboys Camp.

581
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: Thanks again to to Marvin and Dante Fowler. And yeah,

582
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,160
Speaker 1: the Cowboys get a little extra coverage. Cry about it.

583
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: It's it's not because they're the Cowboys. It's because they

584
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Speaker 1: come to California. So get your brope team to come

585
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: out here. For three weeks, the NFL Daily will cover them.

586
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Speaker 1: Two penixa