Speaker 1: Now your main events introducing the hosts are Wrestling with Freddy,
Speaker 1: Jeff Died, hand of Freddy Friends, Junior.
Speaker 2: What's up?
Speaker 3: Everybody?
Speaker 2: Welcome to a brand new episode of Wrestling with Friends.
Speaker 2: Wrestling with Freddy, but it's friends today because I have
Speaker 2: my co host, greatest co host in the world, mister
Speaker 2: Jeff Dye. How are you today, sir?
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Speaker 2: Buddy?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I could live at Medieval Times. Although Buena Park
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Speaker 3: to say my exact address. But when I was going
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Speaker 2: bro this week, y'all, we're going to take things back.
Speaker 2: I did a show for A and E called w
Speaker 2: WE Rivalries, Yes, and it was a wonderful experience. I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed doing it, and I love getting to hang
Speaker 2: out with some of the old school and new school
Speaker 2: wrestlers and get their takes on things. And we thought
Speaker 2: we would do an episode dedicated to rivalries ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna give you I'm not saying they're the best,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to say they're the most well known.
Speaker 2: We're not going to have time to probably get to
Speaker 2: every single rivalry in the world, but here we go.
Speaker 3: I have one on the list that didn't make it,
Speaker 3: which I'm surprised, but go ahead. Yeah, well then.
Speaker 2: We should do that one second to make sure that
Speaker 2: we get it. I want to start with the one
Speaker 2: that I always thought was the funniest one, and that's
Speaker 2: why I think you'll like it too. As during the
Speaker 2: Attitude era, which I know you love, it's the Rock
Speaker 2: versus Stone Cold Steve Austin and the rivalry they I
Speaker 2: know you love these guys. I know you love this era.
Speaker 2: Some of the stuff they did to me was way
Speaker 2: beyond the line of reality, but somehow, as long as
Speaker 2: they're cool with me laughing at some of the stuff,
Speaker 2: then it's then it all worked. And I feel like
Speaker 2: they would be because they were taking the piss, as
Speaker 2: the British would say, out of themselves for most of this.
Speaker 2: I love the storyline, but I want to start with
Speaker 2: you because this is your younger than me, and this
Speaker 2: is your generation's golden era of wrestling and by far,
Speaker 2: by any marker, the most successful financial period in the
Speaker 2: history of wrestling, and there will never be well except
Speaker 2: they just sold for a bazillion dollars, it'll never happen again,
Speaker 2: so I'm already wrong.
Speaker 3: Take it away, sir, I would say the Rock Versus
Speaker 3: or the Rock versus Stone Clost t Boston rivalry was
Speaker 3: like your two best friends fighting. You're like, god, I
Speaker 3: love Stone Colk and then the Rock goes go, God,
Speaker 3: I love the Rock. Like it was so most of
Speaker 3: these feuds, I can pick who I was rooting for
Speaker 3: and it would rile you up, you know, because you're like, gosh,
Speaker 3: I hate John c n R. Or I hate Sam
Speaker 3: Punk or whatever. When you have literally two of the
Speaker 3: most popular guys of that time, arguably ever, going back
Speaker 3: and forth and the cut from a different cloth. You know,
Speaker 3: the Rock came from the Nation of Domination. That's like
Speaker 3: the All Black Stable. That's like we've had enough, we're angry,
Speaker 3: and we're we're gonna show you how good we are wrestling.
Speaker 3: And you've got this kind of like white trash Beard
Speaker 3: drinking Rattlesnake that flips everyone off, and it's always referencing
Speaker 3: Texas and it's just the two cool guys of both sides.
Speaker 3: I really, really, really loved every single time. I never
Speaker 3: cared who won. I never cared who lost because I
Speaker 3: just liked both of them so much. Like you said,
Speaker 3: they did crazy things like with the beer, and there
Speaker 3: was like sometimes it looked like they became friends and
Speaker 3: then they get stone cold. I mean there was just
Speaker 3: so he gets stunned, But so I really really.
Speaker 2: Till the greatest, the greatest cell ever of a stunner
Speaker 2: is the rock. Nobody ever sold it, that could ever again.
Speaker 2: When I met stone Cold, I've only met him once. Ever,
Speaker 2: he goes, who do you think took the stunner the best?
Speaker 2: And I go, I think Vince McMahon took it the best.
Speaker 2: He goes, well, I disagree with the young man. I
Speaker 2: think he's the worst that's ever taken it.
Speaker 3: He goes, I would agree with that, and he goes,
Speaker 3: who's the Who's the worst that ever take it? And
Speaker 3: I go the rock and he goes, I'm gonna disagree
Speaker 3: with you again. We're off to a bad start. He goes,
Speaker 3: the rock took it the best. We agree, guy, you
Speaker 3: gotta trust your boy.
Speaker 2: Man. I was the stone cold or like two peas
Speaker 2: in a pot.
Speaker 3: I had it reversed because like when Vince got done,
Speaker 3: it looked like he died. And so that's the only
Speaker 3: reason I said that, because he almost did. And when
Speaker 3: a rocket stunn he's bouncing around and flopping around like
Speaker 3: a like a fish in the ring, which is funny,
Speaker 3: and that's why that's why everyone liked it. It was very,
Speaker 3: very good. I just remember being a teenager being like,
Speaker 3: oh gosh, he's making it look fake, and it's like
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't have my wrestler.
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, But that's why I loved it, because it
Speaker 2: was so over dramatic.
Speaker 3: That rivalry was really really, really, really incredible. I liked
Speaker 3: it very much.
Speaker 2: There was more cursing on television during this rivalry, just
Speaker 2: in this rivalry than on any other network television show
Speaker 2: in the history of television combined. There is more son
Speaker 2: of a Bitch, I'll beat your ass, ye there is,
Speaker 2: There is more of There is more cursing than any NBC, CBS,
Speaker 2: ABC show combined. Now, the Sopranos, I have him beat, right,
Speaker 2: episodes of Boardwalk Empire what I had him beat. I
Speaker 2: don't know if they curse Game of Thrones. I never
Speaker 2: saw that, but I bet if they did, they might
Speaker 2: be able to beat him. But that's cable and streaming services.
Speaker 2: There's no rules. This was on national TV, and you
Speaker 2: would hear people legit, just constant you son of a bitch,
Speaker 2: I'll beat your ass.
Speaker 3: You're going down something bitch, like I heard that every
Speaker 3: word or every sentence came out of Stone Cold's mouth.
Speaker 2: I know these matches have all been reviewed a million times,
Speaker 2: and so I'd like to talk more about, at least
Speaker 2: on my side, the content they were putting out. But
Speaker 2: I do remember one story that Brian Gowertz told me
Speaker 2: when I worked there that I'm sure he'd be fine
Speaker 2: with me sharing and if not, then I'll apologize, but
Speaker 2: it's nothing bad. He was the voice behind the Rock.
Speaker 2: Brian Gowertz, who was this? He was a sitcom writer
Speaker 2: from Hollywood who was just a huge wrestling fan, went
Speaker 2: out there and a sitcom writer. Quickly became the best
Speaker 2: writer they had because he was a professional writer. He
Speaker 2: wasn't just a fan of wrestling. He knew how to
Speaker 2: construct stories, and so he gets there and he had
Speaker 2: to work his way up. It's not like he was
Speaker 2: the head writer right away. The Rock kind of made him,
Speaker 2: didn't kind of but made him. But he was the
Speaker 2: one writing all those great promos. The Rock says this.
Speaker 2: The Rock says that, like he was the one writing
Speaker 2: all this great you know, take you down the Jabbroni
Speaker 2: Avenue to the You Suck Hotel, and you know all
Speaker 2: that pop pools. So they're working on this big promo
Speaker 2: before the Stone, before one of the Stone called Steve
Speaker 2: Austin matches. I wish I could remember which one and
Speaker 2: give you better context, but they've been sitting there that
Speaker 2: you know, they couldn't find the words, and so they're
Speaker 2: now they're working together backstage and you know, just trying
Speaker 2: to make it perfect, and Stone Cold blocks up just
Speaker 2: he's trying to be funny, but in a dick way
Speaker 2: of being funny, walks Bay. He goes, I don't know
Speaker 2: why you're working so hard. You're just losing the goddamn
Speaker 2: match anyway, and just walks out of the room and
Speaker 2: they're both like, bro, what they come on, man, We're
Speaker 2: just trying to get our jobs done. So it was
Speaker 2: cool to know that these two guys were cool like
Speaker 2: that in order to pull off this type of a match,
Speaker 2: because there's other rivalries we'll get into where the guys
Speaker 2: are cool, but when you have two people that respect
Speaker 2: each other enough to oversell his finisher at the level
Speaker 2: he overseells it, which at thirteen you were god, makes
Speaker 2: it look fake. But still he was trying to show
Speaker 2: respect for sure, and to see Stone Cold be able
Speaker 2: to praise Dwayne the Rock Johnson as he does to
Speaker 2: this day. Lets you know that both men were in
Speaker 2: it together, and that's when you get the best stuff both.
Speaker 2: You know, both guys were trying to do business. Brett
Speaker 2: Hart and Sean Michaels, which I want to get into next,
Speaker 2: could have lasted forever, but bad business was done, so
Speaker 2: it had to end. And that just makes these types
Speaker 2: of rivalries that much more special. But to throwing the
Speaker 2: titles in the river and throwing each other in the
Speaker 2: river and all the shes so good, there's just said
Speaker 2: so much Cursey did. They were just like, Yo, you
Speaker 2: can say anything, but fuck. You can say any word
Speaker 2: on earth, you just can't say an F bob. And
Speaker 2: they're like, cool, let's go to town because yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: gonna want to watch that. Everybody wants to see people
Speaker 2: break the rules.
Speaker 3: They're like, let them, let them, let them rip, We'll
Speaker 3: pay the fines. Who cares. This is a good TV.
Speaker 3: We're getting a lot of ratings with Stone Golden Rock.
Speaker 2: I feel like there was an out that if something's
Speaker 2: caught on a camera mic, the fine was Nolan void? Really,
Speaker 2: if I believe there was a clause in that that
Speaker 2: if it was a camera mic, because that's out the
Speaker 2: defense was and these are things that are collectively burgained.
Speaker 2: I believe I believe that if it's caught on a
Speaker 2: camera mic, it's okay, because that's how professional sports franchises
Speaker 2: get out of that when, like you hear now, they
Speaker 2: try to bleep it when they can, and that's why
Speaker 2: they put in that seven second delay. But I do
Speaker 2: believe there was something in there because like YO, we
Speaker 2: can't be held accountable for what you know, the fans
Speaker 2: are saying and things like that, and I believe WWE
Speaker 2: has used that clause before to get out of that.
Speaker 2: Sean Michaels versus Brett Hard, This to me should have
Speaker 2: been a three.
Speaker 3: Hour episode of WWE Rivals, so.
Speaker 2: This could have gone on forever. For me, it's the
Speaker 2: most talked about moment in professional wrestling, probably because it
Speaker 2: was real and it happened. Former guest of the show
Speaker 2: Ariel Helwani was actually there in the crowd when it happened,
Speaker 2: which is worthy of all my jealousy. But these two
Speaker 2: guys didn't like each other at all. And for those
Speaker 2: of you who aren't like the hardcore wrestling fans, but
Speaker 2: you tune in just for the sounds of Jeff's and
Speaker 2: my voice. This was real stuff. The guys hated one another,
Speaker 2: they had been in a fight backstage. Shawn Michaels was
Speaker 2: not the good guy in this. He was the bad
Speaker 2: guy in this. And he's talked about this publicly, so
Speaker 2: it's not spilling salt on somebody's wounds, but he was.
Speaker 2: His ego is out of control. You know. There was
Speaker 2: drug abuse, all kinds of things like that, and it was,
Speaker 2: you know, leading to a specific type of behavior that
Speaker 2: Brett Hart just wasn't about. He's such an old school
Speaker 2: guy and he was all about respect and doing things
Speaker 2: the right way. And Sean didn't care. He was going
Speaker 2: to be the guy. And that was the foundation that
Speaker 2: this real life rivalry was set upon. And then they
Speaker 2: have to go tell a story in the friggin ring. Jeff,
Speaker 2: where does this rate for you as far as as
Speaker 2: far as like rivalries in the in the whole list
Speaker 2: of all the rivalries.
Speaker 3: It's obviously up there. It's obviously one of the best.
Speaker 3: It's undeniably the best, even if you don't like either
Speaker 3: of those wrestlers, because it was personal. You could tell
Speaker 3: it was personal as a viewer and also if you like,
Speaker 3: if you're the kind of kid, which I was occasionally like,
Speaker 3: oh this is real, Oh that was real, like that
Speaker 3: this is the rivalry for you. Because even back then,
Speaker 3: before like the internet was what it is today, you
Speaker 3: knew there were somehow. I was aware that Shawn Michaels
Speaker 3: was hated in the locker room, and I know that
Speaker 3: Brett Hart was respected. But also Brett is a grump.
Speaker 3: Bread is a pretty grumpy guy. Like Razor Ramone and
Speaker 3: him are going back and forth on a promo and
Speaker 3: Razor Ramone almost comes off like the more likable one,
Speaker 3: and Razor is the bad guy the self pro He
Speaker 3: was like I'm gonna chop you up with my mucheese
Speaker 3: mode like he's literally And then they go to Brett
Speaker 3: and Brett's like I've always worked hard, I've always and
Speaker 3: you're like, that's the good guy. There's no smile, there's
Speaker 3: no like an it like it's just we just were
Speaker 3: understood that that's the good guy. He wears the pink
Speaker 3: in the black. He comes from this family's fundamental. He
Speaker 3: does the he does all the like the most technical
Speaker 3: work in the ring. It felt real and it was
Speaker 3: real at times and very personal. And then with the
Speaker 3: big obviously the big Montreal screwjob, which is still talked
Speaker 3: about because it was real. Yeah, it's up there. It's
Speaker 3: not my favorite. I was never a Shawn Michael's guy
Speaker 3: and I was never a Bret Hart guy. And it's
Speaker 3: not that I didn't like them. I was a teenager.
Speaker 3: When you're a little boy, you don't want a roof
Speaker 3: for the guy coming out like I'm a sexy bully boy.
Speaker 3: I'm like, when is the Undertaker gonna come in here
Speaker 3: and choke slam? This dwinked? You know, So wasn't really
Speaker 3: my guys. But I also, as an adult, can recognize
Speaker 3: how dope both of those wrestlers were and also how
Speaker 3: cool you know now that I'm a grown man and
Speaker 3: more reasonable. Sean Michaels was one of the goats for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think most people put him top.
Speaker 3: Top Behaviorally, he was a mess.
Speaker 2: I heard, yeah, but that's I mean, that's public knowledge now,
Speaker 2: So don't get don't get mad at us for saying things.
Speaker 2: And we're not poor and salt. We're just explaining the story.
Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know what the
Speaker 2: screw job is. Again, I know we have some listeners
Speaker 2: that aren't wrestling fans. This was like the worst business
Speaker 2: you could do on someone. Imagine working for your boss,
Speaker 2: doing a great job. Your boss gives you a raise
Speaker 2: a few months into the race, says, hey, I can't
Speaker 2: afford that raise anymore? Can we go back to your
Speaker 2: original salary? You'd already be insulted.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: Then you get an offer from another company. You say, okay, well,
Speaker 2: then this offers better. Do you mind if I go
Speaker 2: there and your bosses? Now, that's okay? But when you leave?
Speaker 2: Are you cool? If the person who's going to take
Speaker 2: your office humiliates you in front of everybody, and you
Speaker 2: going like, yo, how many more things do I have
Speaker 2: to do? Man?
Speaker 3: Also, don't worry, We're not going to do that. And
Speaker 3: then they just do that to surprise you. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you're like, wait, wit what?
Speaker 2: Yeah? You say I'm not comfortable with that, and they
Speaker 2: say okay. And then on your last day of work,
Speaker 2: you cool it just comes in and takes a shit
Speaker 2: on your desk and says, do something about it, bitch,
Speaker 2: and you just have to take it and get thrown
Speaker 2: out by security, and you're like, he shot on my desk.
Speaker 2: I wasn't the one doing it.
Speaker 3: I thought we were going to do this. I was
Speaker 3: told we're not going to do this. They said, that's
Speaker 3: what that's that's what happened to Brett Hart. So put
Speaker 3: yourself in his shoes. You might be a little grumpy.
Speaker 3: Although he did have grumpiness before then, I'll give you that.
Speaker 3: His whole career, he seemed grumpy and talk about listen
Speaker 3: to him an inn of your interview. Now he's still pretty grumpy.
Speaker 2: I still love him. I don't care. Sunglasses were cool,
Speaker 2: all right, dude. I want to make sure you get
Speaker 2: yours in here because it's a big list. So what's
Speaker 2: your rivalry that didn't make the list? Producer Alex? You
Speaker 2: should be ashamed of yourself.
Speaker 3: No, don't say that about Producer Alex doing the lord's work.
Speaker 3: But my think my one of my favorite ones, or
Speaker 3: made me the most memorable. And this could just be
Speaker 3: my age, it could just be my interest in wrestling
Speaker 3: that is a little uniquer than others. Caine and Undertaker.
Speaker 3: When I always liked Kane, all right, sorry, I always
Speaker 3: liked Undertaker. Everyone did he was one of the only
Speaker 3: characters that could still live on in kind of like
Speaker 3: this fantasy is like a dead wizard while all the
Speaker 3: other wrestlers are kind of going into an era where
Speaker 3: it's like just their names and like we don't really
Speaker 3: have a shtick, you know, like we're done with the
Speaker 3: whole cop thing and the Indian thing and the clown thing.
Speaker 3: Like Undertakers transcended it. He was still able to like
Speaker 3: the cop me too. I loved all that stuff, but
Speaker 3: wrestling seemed to be going past that, like they started
Speaker 3: to do this other thing. Undertakers still lived on, you know,
Speaker 3: He's still lived on as far as like he was
Speaker 3: able to go into the next era as this character.
Speaker 3: So when they introduced an equally preposterous character that was
Speaker 3: Undertaker's twin brother back who thought he was always dead.
Speaker 3: Orn't know if it was twin brother, but it was
Speaker 3: his brother who he was brother thought died in a
Speaker 3: fire that Undertaker started, and he it was like Undertaker's
Speaker 3: secret past, and Paul Hayman was really aware of it,
Speaker 3: you know, and the way he played all sides is
Speaker 3: so good. I just thought that River was so fun
Speaker 3: to watch every single week. I was I was invested
Speaker 3: and and Cain lived on to be one of the
Speaker 3: greatest wrestlers ever because of that start. So that was
Speaker 3: probably one of my favorites.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we did Caana and Taker on R. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it it meant a lot to that, not just to you,
Speaker 2: to a lot of people. It was just it was
Speaker 2: an old school story for the time in a new
Speaker 2: school world, and it made it stand out and it
Speaker 2: had I feel like that helped it resonate with the
Speaker 2: older generation that wasn't getting the cops and the irs,
Speaker 2: text guys like all those kind of characters anymore. And
Speaker 2: they were sort of the last two attractions in wrestling, right,
Speaker 2: like where it's not the pro wrestler, it's the gimmick
Speaker 2: and the image they portray. We know, nobody can make
Speaker 2: fire come out of the turnbuckles, but this guy still does,
Speaker 2: even though we know it's a pyro guy underneath pressing
Speaker 2: a button.
Speaker 3: But it's cool.
Speaker 2: So they both held something special. But again, it was
Speaker 2: the story thing that made it work. Otherwise it's just
Speaker 2: two big guys as big he would say, meaty men
Speaker 2: slapping meat, and you have to care about the meat
Speaker 2: if you want to watch it. Slap people. And in
Speaker 2: order to do that, you have to have a story
Speaker 2: that means something. And the story back then was like
Speaker 2: you said, he had a brother that he thought was
Speaker 2: dead and here he comes. Oh shit. And the great
Speaker 2: thing about that rivalry was post rivalry, it turns in
Speaker 2: to a tag team. Yeah, and they become the Brothers
Speaker 2: of Destruction, and so it goes from hate back to love. Right,
Speaker 2: so there had to be forgiveness in there somewhere. But
Speaker 2: when they became the Brothers of Destruction, I liked them
Speaker 2: even more. And I already liked both guys, but I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, the Brothers are Destruction. No, there's not
Speaker 2: a tag team, and the Demolition can't beat them. No way,
Speaker 2: there's not a tag team because they're not as tough.
Speaker 2: The hardies can't beat them. They'll get snapped. Like nobody
Speaker 2: was gonna beat the Brothers of Destruction. I loved them
Speaker 2: as a tag team, so yeah, they you're right, they
Speaker 2: should have been on them.
Speaker 3: They also looked cool like that, Like they looked like
Speaker 3: they're like a Halloween costume. Try to dress like a
Speaker 3: lot of wrestlers on Halloween. It's tough, but like when
Speaker 3: you see someone dressed up as Undertaker and or Caine.
Speaker 3: You go, I know exactly what they are. I know
Speaker 3: exactly what that is, and it's a full It's like
Speaker 3: a full thing. So I loved their look.
Speaker 2: There are a ton for us to get to and
Speaker 2: trying to get a little more, a little bit into
Speaker 2: the later modern era before we run out of time.
Speaker 2: But I'm happy to do a different one if you
Speaker 2: don't want to, would you like to do cmpunk John Cena?
Speaker 2: Or do you want to jump into someone else that
Speaker 2: tickles your fancy a bit more? That one? All right?
Speaker 2: I think this one is relevant because CM punk is
Speaker 2: arguably top man right on the microphone as as far
Speaker 2: as who as far as promos go, CM Punk okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: in the company at this time, whereas John Cena cut
Speaker 2: the same promo every week, it was here I am,
Speaker 2: I'm here for you, I'm here for the people. I'm
Speaker 2: here for the kids. You gotta work hard, you got
Speaker 2: to do things the right way. And cmpunk got to
Speaker 2: be completely free in this and say what a lot
Speaker 2: of fans thought about the brand at that time, ignoring
Speaker 2: what the kids liked, right, and even said that in
Speaker 2: some of his promos, like why do you think you're
Speaker 2: on in the first segment because most kids are going
Speaker 2: to bed, like Triple H and crack jokes on that
Speaker 2: before cmpunk took a little bit of it as well.
Speaker 2: But Cmpunk's ability to talk to not only Sina, but
Speaker 2: to Vince McMahon on the mic in a promo, face
Speaker 2: to face, and come out as the winner in every
Speaker 2: single promo, in my opinion, even when I disagreed with
Speaker 2: some of the takes he was having, he won every
Speaker 2: single promo. Now, granted, and I prefaced it was he
Speaker 2: got a lot more freedom because John Cena's locked into
Speaker 2: it was locked into a very specific promo at that
Speaker 2: time when he was putting guys over like young guys.
Speaker 2: Now you've seen some different stuff where he's doing the
Speaker 2: CM punk promo on guys like Austin Theory, or he's
Speaker 2: doing the CM punk promo before that on Roman Reigns
Speaker 2: and saying the real stuff that the fans were saying.
Speaker 2: John cenas champion, as the g Rated Era Champion would
Speaker 2: never do that. He would never do that. It would
Speaker 2: all just land all that, the real stuff would just
Speaker 2: fall off his broad shoulders and he would just do
Speaker 2: the company line every time, And I think that's why
Speaker 2: people responded so much to this, because the older fans
Speaker 2: hated everything's John stood for. Now they appreciate the sacrifice
Speaker 2: he made because they understand it was more of a sacrifice,
Speaker 2: I think. But then it was just pure hatred the
Speaker 2: science of Sina wins. We riot never had the balls
Speaker 2: to riot, but you always brought your signs. And then Ciampunk,
Speaker 2: who was, as he said in his own words, I
Speaker 2: am the voice of the voiceless, and that resonated with everybody.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that both guys could wrestle
Speaker 2: their ass off, even though they would say you can
Speaker 2: wrestle to John Cena, forget all that, dude. The dude
Speaker 2: could wrestle. And these guys tore the house down. And
Speaker 2: this was during the g era, and they made it
Speaker 2: look at least pg. Thirteen, if not ours. Sometimes what
Speaker 2: about you, dude?
Speaker 3: Would you think, well, so, then you liked the rivalry,
Speaker 3: you liked these guys.
Speaker 2: It's not It's not so much that I like because
Speaker 2: I'm not a John Cena guy. I just respect what
Speaker 2: his contribution was to the business and the sacrifice says
Speaker 2: he had to make. Everyone knows how I feel about cmpunk.
Speaker 2: I think he's awesome. He can wrestle and he can
Speaker 2: talk sick on the mic. He's older now it can't
Speaker 2: work the way he used to, but back then he
Speaker 2: was a man. But neither guy was a connective tissue guy.
Speaker 2: For me, I never got behind and rooted for anyone.
Speaker 2: But he's brought so much real shit to the table,
Speaker 2: excuse my language. And that hadn't been done in that company,
Speaker 2: hadn't even been allowed to be done, and Cmpunk got
Speaker 2: to do it. And I think that's what made it
Speaker 2: so specialist because he was telling the truth a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was not a big fan of either of
Speaker 3: these guys, I think. I so I still hold John
Speaker 3: Cena in contempt for that rapping gimmick like he was coming.
Speaker 3: It's just it was so cringey and weird. He was
Speaker 3: also like, if you look back on some of those
Speaker 3: pretty racist. He said a lot of like really racially
Speaker 3: insensitive things about Mexican and stuff, like when he was
Speaker 3: going when he was going to the ring about Eddie Garrera,
Speaker 3: Like he said a lot of like cringey, bad stuff.
Speaker 2: Yo, you just popped a story in my head. There
Speaker 2: was this like underground story, and eventually I think photos
Speaker 2: or video came out of Juan Sina where he would
Speaker 2: have to wear a mask and John hated wearing masks,
Speaker 2: and I knew that, and I was the one that
Speaker 2: pitched Juan Sena to Vince, and Vince popped for it
Speaker 2: and made him do it tour in Mexico Swan Sena
Speaker 2: and just because he knew he would hate wrestling the mask,
Speaker 2: because John havin kind of like a prick to you
Speaker 2: what I first thot, I was like a Vince will
Speaker 2: never say yes, but I'm just gonna put it over.
Speaker 2: It's like, ah, that's fucking great, We're doing it. And
Speaker 2: he had to be want seen it, but go ahead.
Speaker 2: I always deleted his wraps out of my mind because
Speaker 2: they were like not what I liked as far as
Speaker 2: rap went.
Speaker 3: So I don't know what. The guy was so bad
Speaker 3: and cringey, and he was like trying to be edgy,
Speaker 3: but it always just come off terrible. Never was a
Speaker 3: John Cena guy. Even when he came around, he seemed
Speaker 3: I don't know if he does, but he seems kind
Speaker 3: of kurt. He seems very like like not like I
Speaker 3: like stuffy, even when as the good guy.
Speaker 2: Kurt I think is a fair fair thingsation.
Speaker 3: And then Punk. I was just never like a big
Speaker 3: punk guy because I kind of missed that generation of wrestling,
Speaker 3: like that was the the ruthless aggression era, was not
Speaker 3: your favorite. Well, I just wasn't watching, so it wasn't
Speaker 3: like big on punk people you see, we see them Punk,
Speaker 3: I missed it. I was too busy doing whatever was
Speaker 3: more important in my life at that time, trying to
Speaker 3: survive basically, So these two, like their rivalry was never
Speaker 3: like a huge thing for me. I know that they're
Speaker 3: very important to a lot of people as far as
Speaker 3: like seeing as a classic good guy and seeing them
Speaker 3: Punk is a classic bad guy. But it still just
Speaker 3: kind of feels like Hogan versus you know, if it
Speaker 3: feels like we've got the classic good guy and then
Speaker 3: the classic kind of but bad guy. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I just didn't do much for me, but I do
Speaker 3: recognize that they were important to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: I believe the term pipe bomb promo actually spawned from
Speaker 2: this rivalry based on the his well the promo that
Speaker 2: you should go watch on YouTube because I can't re
Speaker 2: enact it because Punk killed it. But I think that
Speaker 2: was the birth of that phrase. The pipe bomb promo.
Speaker 2: I got to see the second pipe bomb promo locally
Speaker 2: here in LA when mjf Ham on national television broke rule.
Speaker 2: I bet they got fined that night.
Speaker 3: You know what's funny is I love the punk its
Speaker 3: credited for the first like pipe bomb, like on that
Speaker 3: kind of stuff. You know, now Mgf's doing a pipe
Speaker 3: bomb every week, every week.
Speaker 2: Just if he does it too much though, then maybe
Speaker 2: it doesn't, you know, mean as much.
Speaker 3: Well, didn't Dusty Rhodes do one a long time ago
Speaker 3: or not Dusty Dustin Rhodes. He came out dressed in
Speaker 3: some terrible costume and he just kept like, I'll send
Speaker 3: it to you guys. But I think he had like
Speaker 3: one where he was like for years, they made me
Speaker 3: wear a gold dress and he called me gold dust.
Speaker 3: They made me do this crap and you know how
Speaker 3: my family's been in wrestling this long and this this
Speaker 3: is the death. They put me in this crap and
Speaker 3: make me come out here like it was. It was
Speaker 3: like a legit speaking to the back of the house.
Speaker 3: I always thought he loved gold that was his idea.
Speaker 3: I thought, maybe I'm tripping maybe that was part of it.
Speaker 3: Maybe that maybe just part of the gammick that he's
Speaker 3: pretending to not like it. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it was that good. All right, you guys,
Speaker 2: we'll check it out. If you want to get into
Speaker 2: what our most favorite current rivalries have been, you can
Speaker 2: get it on Thursday's episode, so make sure you download
Speaker 2: that too. Thank you guys for your support. Jeff I
Speaker 2: love you brother, Love you buddy.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on again.
Speaker 2: Peace.
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