1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:08,879 Speaker 1: Now your main events introducing the hosts are Wrestling with Freddy, 2 00:00:09,440 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: Jeff Died, hand of Freddy Friends, Junior. 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 2: What's up? 4 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 3: Everybody? 5 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,920 Speaker 2: Welcome to a brand new episode of Wrestling with Friends. 6 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: Wrestling with Freddy, but it's friends today because I have 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 2: my co host, greatest co host in the world, mister 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: Jeff Dye. How are you today, sir? 9 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 3: Feeling good? 10 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 2: Buddy? 11 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 3: Are you feeling I'm feeling pretty good, looking strong, Thanks man, 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 3: Let me flex right, bind bo, Sir. 13 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 2: A lot of times I might hear an idea in 14 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 2: the moment that's awesome, and then the next day or 15 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 2: I'll write something down late at night I'm like, this 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 2: is the best movie idea ever. In the next morning 17 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 2: I'll read it and be like, this is the worst 18 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: piece of shit I've ever written. But I still think 19 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: the Medieval's Jester is a wonderful idea. However, I also 20 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: love Santina Morella, so you never you never know, you 21 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: never know, But I think Medieval Times is a winner. 22 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: And then you wouldn't have to leave town as much. 23 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: You could just work here. 24 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could live at Medieval Times. Although Buena Park 25 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,039 Speaker 3: is not close from where I live. I don't want 26 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 3: to say my exact address. But when I was going 27 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: to Medieval Times, I was like, all right, i'll get there. 28 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: I'll probably leave like I have to leave like an hour. 29 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 3: You know, everything's like an hour in la. I put 30 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: in those two hours and thirty five minutes, and I 31 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: was like, all right, because I'm leaving now at three 32 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 3: o'clock in the afternoon. 33 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 2: All right, so well you just relocate to Buyna Park 34 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 2: bro this week, y'all, we're going to take things back. 35 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 2: I did a show for A and E called w 36 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: WE Rivalries, Yes, and it was a wonderful experience. I 37 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 2: really enjoyed doing it, and I love getting to hang 38 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: out with some of the old school and new school 39 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: wrestlers and get their takes on things. And we thought 40 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 2: we would do an episode dedicated to rivalries ladies and gentlemen. 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 2: So we're gonna give you I'm not saying they're the best, 42 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 2: but I'm going to say they're the most well known. 43 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: We're not going to have time to probably get to 44 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 2: every single rivalry in the world, but here we go. 45 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 3: I have one on the list that didn't make it, 46 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: which I'm surprised, but go ahead. Yeah, well then. 47 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 2: We should do that one second to make sure that 48 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: we get it. I want to start with the one 49 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: that I always thought was the funniest one, and that's 50 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 2: why I think you'll like it too. As during the 51 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: Attitude era, which I know you love, it's the Rock 52 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: versus Stone Cold Steve Austin and the rivalry they I 53 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 2: know you love these guys. I know you love this era. 54 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 2: Some of the stuff they did to me was way 55 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 2: beyond the line of reality, but somehow, as long as 56 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 2: they're cool with me laughing at some of the stuff, 57 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 2: then it's then it all worked. And I feel like 58 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: they would be because they were taking the piss, as 59 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 2: the British would say, out of themselves for most of this. 60 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 2: I love the storyline, but I want to start with 61 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: you because this is your younger than me, and this 62 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: is your generation's golden era of wrestling and by far, 63 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: by any marker, the most successful financial period in the 64 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: history of wrestling, and there will never be well except 65 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: they just sold for a bazillion dollars, it'll never happen again, 66 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: so I'm already wrong. 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 3: Take it away, sir, I would say the Rock Versus 68 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 3: or the Rock versus Stone Clost t Boston rivalry was 69 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: like your two best friends fighting. You're like, god, I 70 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 3: love Stone Colk and then the Rock goes go, God, 71 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 3: I love the Rock. Like it was so most of 72 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,520 Speaker 3: these feuds, I can pick who I was rooting for 73 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 3: and it would rile you up, you know, because you're like, gosh, 74 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 3: I hate John c n R. Or I hate Sam 75 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: Punk or whatever. When you have literally two of the 76 00:03:35,480 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: most popular guys of that time, arguably ever, going back 77 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: and forth and the cut from a different cloth. You know, 78 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 3: the Rock came from the Nation of Domination. That's like 79 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 3: the All Black Stable. That's like we've had enough, we're angry, 80 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,320 Speaker 3: and we're we're gonna show you how good we are wrestling. 81 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 3: And you've got this kind of like white trash Beard 82 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: drinking Rattlesnake that flips everyone off, and it's always referencing 83 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 3: Texas and it's just the two cool guys of both sides. 84 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 3: I really, really, really loved every single time. I never 85 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: cared who won. I never cared who lost because I 86 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 3: just liked both of them so much. Like you said, 87 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 3: they did crazy things like with the beer, and there 88 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: was like sometimes it looked like they became friends and 89 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: then they get stone cold. I mean there was just 90 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: so he gets stunned, But so I really really. 91 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: Till the greatest, the greatest cell ever of a stunner 92 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 2: is the rock. Nobody ever sold it, that could ever again. 93 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: When I met stone Cold, I've only met him once. Ever, 94 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: he goes, who do you think took the stunner the best? 95 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 2: And I go, I think Vince McMahon took it the best. 96 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: He goes, well, I disagree with the young man. I 97 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: think he's the worst that's ever taken it. 98 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: He goes, I would agree with that, and he goes, 99 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 3: who's the Who's the worst that ever take it? And 100 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: I go the rock and he goes, I'm gonna disagree 101 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 3: with you again. We're off to a bad start. He goes, 102 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: the rock took it the best. We agree, guy, you 103 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: gotta trust your boy. 104 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 2: Man. I was the stone cold or like two peas 105 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 2: in a pot. 106 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: I had it reversed because like when Vince got done, 107 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: it looked like he died. And so that's the only 108 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 3: reason I said that, because he almost did. And when 109 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 3: a rocket stunn he's bouncing around and flopping around like 110 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: a like a fish in the ring, which is funny, 111 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 3: and that's why that's why everyone liked it. It was very, 112 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 3: very good. I just remember being a teenager being like, 113 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: oh gosh, he's making it look fake, and it's like 114 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't have my wrestler. 115 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, But that's why I loved it, because it 116 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: was so over dramatic. 117 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 3: That rivalry was really really, really, really incredible. I liked 118 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: it very much. 119 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 2: There was more cursing on television during this rivalry, just 120 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: in this rivalry than on any other network television show 121 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 2: in the history of television combined. There is more son 122 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: of a Bitch, I'll beat your ass, ye there is, 123 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: There is more of There is more cursing than any NBC, CBS, 124 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 2: ABC show combined. Now, the Sopranos, I have him beat, right, 125 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 2: episodes of Boardwalk Empire what I had him beat. I 126 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: don't know if they curse Game of Thrones. I never 127 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 2: saw that, but I bet if they did, they might 128 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 2: be able to beat him. But that's cable and streaming services. 129 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 2: There's no rules. This was on national TV, and you 130 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,239 Speaker 2: would hear people legit, just constant you son of a bitch, 131 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: I'll beat your ass. 132 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: You're going down something bitch, like I heard that every 133 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: word or every sentence came out of Stone Cold's mouth. 134 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 2: I know these matches have all been reviewed a million times, 135 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: and so I'd like to talk more about, at least 136 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 2: on my side, the content they were putting out. But 137 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 2: I do remember one story that Brian Gowertz told me 138 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 2: when I worked there that I'm sure he'd be fine 139 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: with me sharing and if not, then I'll apologize, but 140 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: it's nothing bad. He was the voice behind the Rock. 141 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: Brian Gowertz, who was this? He was a sitcom writer 142 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 2: from Hollywood who was just a huge wrestling fan, went 143 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 2: out there and a sitcom writer. Quickly became the best 144 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 2: writer they had because he was a professional writer. He 145 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 2: wasn't just a fan of wrestling. He knew how to 146 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: construct stories, and so he gets there and he had 147 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 2: to work his way up. It's not like he was 148 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 2: the head writer right away. The Rock kind of made him, 149 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 2: didn't kind of but made him. But he was the 150 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: one writing all those great promos. The Rock says this. 151 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: The Rock says that, like he was the one writing 152 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 2: all this great you know, take you down the Jabbroni 153 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 2: Avenue to the You Suck Hotel, and you know all 154 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: that pop pools. So they're working on this big promo 155 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 2: before the Stone, before one of the Stone called Steve 156 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: Austin matches. I wish I could remember which one and 157 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: give you better context, but they've been sitting there that 158 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: you know, they couldn't find the words, and so they're 159 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 2: now they're working together backstage and you know, just trying 160 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 2: to make it perfect, and Stone Cold blocks up just 161 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,320 Speaker 2: he's trying to be funny, but in a dick way 162 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: of being funny, walks Bay. He goes, I don't know 163 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: why you're working so hard. You're just losing the goddamn 164 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 2: match anyway, and just walks out of the room and 165 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 2: they're both like, bro, what they come on, man, We're 166 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: just trying to get our jobs done. So it was 167 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: cool to know that these two guys were cool like 168 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 2: that in order to pull off this type of a match, 169 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 2: because there's other rivalries we'll get into where the guys 170 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: are cool, but when you have two people that respect 171 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: each other enough to oversell his finisher at the level 172 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 2: he overseells it, which at thirteen you were god, makes 173 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: it look fake. But still he was trying to show 174 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: respect for sure, and to see Stone Cold be able 175 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 2: to praise Dwayne the Rock Johnson as he does to 176 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: this day. Lets you know that both men were in 177 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:35,120 Speaker 2: it together, and that's when you get the best stuff both. 178 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: You know, both guys were trying to do business. Brett 179 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: Hart and Sean Michaels, which I want to get into next, 180 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 2: could have lasted forever, but bad business was done, so 181 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,439 Speaker 2: it had to end. And that just makes these types 182 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: of rivalries that much more special. But to throwing the 183 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 2: titles in the river and throwing each other in the 184 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 2: river and all the shes so good, there's just said 185 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 2: so much Cursey did. They were just like, Yo, you 186 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 2: can say anything, but fuck. You can say any word 187 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: on earth, you just can't say an F bob. And 188 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 2: they're like, cool, let's go to town because yeah, I'm 189 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 2: gonna want to watch that. Everybody wants to see people 190 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: break the rules. 191 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: They're like, let them, let them, let them rip, We'll 192 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: pay the fines. Who cares. This is a good TV. 193 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: We're getting a lot of ratings with Stone Golden Rock. 194 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: I feel like there was an out that if something's 195 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 2: caught on a camera mic, the fine was Nolan void? Really, 196 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 2: if I believe there was a clause in that that 197 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,599 Speaker 2: if it was a camera mic, because that's out the 198 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 2: defense was and these are things that are collectively burgained. 199 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,280 Speaker 2: I believe I believe that if it's caught on a 200 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 2: camera mic, it's okay, because that's how professional sports franchises 201 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 2: get out of that when, like you hear now, they 202 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 2: try to bleep it when they can, and that's why 203 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: they put in that seven second delay. But I do 204 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 2: believe there was something in there because like YO, we 205 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: can't be held accountable for what you know, the fans 206 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 2: are saying and things like that, and I believe WWE 207 00:09:58,120 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: has used that clause before to get out of that. 208 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 2: Sean Michaels versus Brett Hard, This to me should have 209 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: been a three. 210 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 3: Hour episode of WWE Rivals, so. 211 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 2: This could have gone on forever. For me, it's the 212 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: most talked about moment in professional wrestling, probably because it 213 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 2: was real and it happened. Former guest of the show 214 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 2: Ariel Helwani was actually there in the crowd when it happened, 215 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 2: which is worthy of all my jealousy. But these two 216 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 2: guys didn't like each other at all. And for those 217 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: of you who aren't like the hardcore wrestling fans, but 218 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 2: you tune in just for the sounds of Jeff's and 219 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: my voice. This was real stuff. The guys hated one another, 220 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: they had been in a fight backstage. Shawn Michaels was 221 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: not the good guy in this. He was the bad 222 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 2: guy in this. And he's talked about this publicly, so 223 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:00,480 Speaker 2: it's not spilling salt on somebody's wounds, but he was. 224 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: His ego is out of control. You know. There was 225 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: drug abuse, all kinds of things like that, and it was, 226 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 2: you know, leading to a specific type of behavior that 227 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: Brett Hart just wasn't about. He's such an old school 228 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 2: guy and he was all about respect and doing things 229 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: the right way. And Sean didn't care. He was going 230 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 2: to be the guy. And that was the foundation that 231 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 2: this real life rivalry was set upon. And then they 232 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: have to go tell a story in the friggin ring. Jeff, 233 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 2: where does this rate for you as far as as 234 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: far as like rivalries in the in the whole list 235 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 2: of all the rivalries. 236 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 3: It's obviously up there. It's obviously one of the best. 237 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: It's undeniably the best, even if you don't like either 238 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: of those wrestlers, because it was personal. You could tell 239 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 3: it was personal as a viewer and also if you like, 240 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 3: if you're the kind of kid, which I was occasionally like, 241 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 3: oh this is real, Oh that was real, like that 242 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 3: this is the rivalry for you. Because even back then, 243 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 3: before like the internet was what it is today, you 244 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: knew there were somehow. I was aware that Shawn Michaels 245 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,560 Speaker 3: was hated in the locker room, and I know that 246 00:12:06,600 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 3: Brett Hart was respected. But also Brett is a grump. 247 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 3: Bread is a pretty grumpy guy. Like Razor Ramone and 248 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: him are going back and forth on a promo and 249 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 3: Razor Ramone almost comes off like the more likable one, 250 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: and Razor is the bad guy the self pro He 251 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 3: was like I'm gonna chop you up with my mucheese 252 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 3: mode like he's literally And then they go to Brett 253 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: and Brett's like I've always worked hard, I've always and 254 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: you're like, that's the good guy. There's no smile, there's 255 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: no like an it like it's just we just were 256 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 3: understood that that's the good guy. He wears the pink 257 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 3: in the black. He comes from this family's fundamental. He 258 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 3: does the he does all the like the most technical 259 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 3: work in the ring. It felt real and it was 260 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 3: real at times and very personal. And then with the 261 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 3: big obviously the big Montreal screwjob, which is still talked 262 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: about because it was real. Yeah, it's up there. It's 263 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,959 Speaker 3: not my favorite. I was never a Shawn Michael's guy 264 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 3: and I was never a Bret Hart guy. And it's 265 00:12:59,400 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 3: not that I didn't like them. I was a teenager. 266 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 3: When you're a little boy, you don't want a roof 267 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 3: for the guy coming out like I'm a sexy bully boy. 268 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 3: I'm like, when is the Undertaker gonna come in here 269 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: and choke slam? This dwinked? You know, So wasn't really 270 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: my guys. But I also, as an adult, can recognize 271 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: how dope both of those wrestlers were and also how 272 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: cool you know now that I'm a grown man and 273 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,839 Speaker 3: more reasonable. Sean Michaels was one of the goats for sure. 274 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think most people put him top. 275 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 3: Top Behaviorally, he was a mess. 276 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: I heard, yeah, but that's I mean, that's public knowledge now, 277 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 2: So don't get don't get mad at us for saying things. 278 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 2: And we're not poor and salt. We're just explaining the story. 279 00:13:40,760 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know what the 280 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,560 Speaker 2: screw job is. Again, I know we have some listeners 281 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:48,079 Speaker 2: that aren't wrestling fans. This was like the worst business 282 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 2: you could do on someone. Imagine working for your boss, 283 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: doing a great job. Your boss gives you a raise 284 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 2: a few months into the race, says, hey, I can't 285 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: afford that raise anymore? Can we go back to your 286 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 2: original salary? You'd already be insulted. 287 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:03,560 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. 288 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 2: Then you get an offer from another company. You say, okay, well, 289 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: then this offers better. Do you mind if I go 290 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 2: there and your bosses? Now, that's okay? But when you leave? 291 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: Are you cool? If the person who's going to take 292 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 2: your office humiliates you in front of everybody, and you 293 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: going like, yo, how many more things do I have 294 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 2: to do? Man? 295 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 3: Also, don't worry, We're not going to do that. And 296 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 3: then they just do that to surprise you. Yeah, and 297 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 3: you're like, wait, wit what? 298 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 2: Yeah? You say I'm not comfortable with that, and they 299 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: say okay. And then on your last day of work, 300 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: you cool it just comes in and takes a shit 301 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 2: on your desk and says, do something about it, bitch, 302 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: and you just have to take it and get thrown 303 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: out by security, and you're like, he shot on my desk. 304 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 2: I wasn't the one doing it. 305 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 3: I thought we were going to do this. I was 306 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: told we're not going to do this. They said, that's 307 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 3: what that's that's what happened to Brett Hart. So put 308 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 3: yourself in his shoes. You might be a little grumpy. 309 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: Although he did have grumpiness before then, I'll give you that. 310 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: His whole career, he seemed grumpy and talk about listen 311 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 3: to him an inn of your interview. Now he's still pretty grumpy. 312 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: I still love him. I don't care. Sunglasses were cool, 313 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 2: all right, dude. I want to make sure you get 314 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 2: yours in here because it's a big list. So what's 315 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 2: your rivalry that didn't make the list? Producer Alex? You 316 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 2: should be ashamed of yourself. 317 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: No, don't say that about Producer Alex doing the lord's work. 318 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 3: But my think my one of my favorite ones, or 319 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 3: made me the most memorable. And this could just be 320 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 3: my age, it could just be my interest in wrestling 321 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: that is a little uniquer than others. Caine and Undertaker. 322 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 3: When I always liked Kane, all right, sorry, I always 323 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 3: liked Undertaker. Everyone did he was one of the only 324 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 3: characters that could still live on in kind of like 325 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: this fantasy is like a dead wizard while all the 326 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 3: other wrestlers are kind of going into an era where 327 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 3: it's like just their names and like we don't really 328 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 3: have a shtick, you know, like we're done with the 329 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 3: whole cop thing and the Indian thing and the clown thing. 330 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: Like Undertakers transcended it. He was still able to like 331 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 3: the cop me too. I loved all that stuff, but 332 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 3: wrestling seemed to be going past that, like they started 333 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 3: to do this other thing. Undertakers still lived on, you know, 334 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 3: He's still lived on as far as like he was 335 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 3: able to go into the next era as this character. 336 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: So when they introduced an equally preposterous character that was 337 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: Undertaker's twin brother back who thought he was always dead. 338 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 3: Orn't know if it was twin brother, but it was 339 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: his brother who he was brother thought died in a 340 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: fire that Undertaker started, and he it was like Undertaker's 341 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: secret past, and Paul Hayman was really aware of it, 342 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: you know, and the way he played all sides is 343 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 3: so good. I just thought that River was so fun 344 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 3: to watch every single week. I was I was invested 345 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: and and Cain lived on to be one of the 346 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: greatest wrestlers ever because of that start. So that was 347 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 3: probably one of my favorites. 348 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we did Caana and Taker on R. Yeah, yeah, 349 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: it it meant a lot to that, not just to you, 350 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 2: to a lot of people. It was just it was 351 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: an old school story for the time in a new 352 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: school world, and it made it stand out and it 353 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 2: had I feel like that helped it resonate with the 354 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 2: older generation that wasn't getting the cops and the irs, 355 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 2: text guys like all those kind of characters anymore. And 356 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 2: they were sort of the last two attractions in wrestling, right, 357 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 2: like where it's not the pro wrestler, it's the gimmick 358 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,639 Speaker 2: and the image they portray. We know, nobody can make 359 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 2: fire come out of the turnbuckles, but this guy still does, 360 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 2: even though we know it's a pyro guy underneath pressing 361 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:27,880 Speaker 2: a button. 362 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 3: But it's cool. 363 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 2: So they both held something special. But again, it was 364 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 2: the story thing that made it work. Otherwise it's just 365 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,719 Speaker 2: two big guys as big he would say, meaty men 366 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 2: slapping meat, and you have to care about the meat 367 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,239 Speaker 2: if you want to watch it. Slap people. And in 368 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,240 Speaker 2: order to do that, you have to have a story 369 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 2: that means something. And the story back then was like 370 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: you said, he had a brother that he thought was 371 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: dead and here he comes. Oh shit. And the great 372 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: thing about that rivalry was post rivalry, it turns in 373 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 2: to a tag team. Yeah, and they become the Brothers 374 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 2: of Destruction, and so it goes from hate back to love. Right, 375 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 2: so there had to be forgiveness in there somewhere. But 376 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 2: when they became the Brothers of Destruction, I liked them 377 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 2: even more. And I already liked both guys, but I 378 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 2: was like, oh, the Brothers are Destruction. No, there's not 379 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: a tag team, and the Demolition can't beat them. No way, 380 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: there's not a tag team because they're not as tough. 381 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: The hardies can't beat them. They'll get snapped. Like nobody 382 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 2: was gonna beat the Brothers of Destruction. I loved them 383 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 2: as a tag team, so yeah, they you're right, they 384 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: should have been on them. 385 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 3: They also looked cool like that, Like they looked like 386 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 3: they're like a Halloween costume. Try to dress like a 387 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:39,880 Speaker 3: lot of wrestlers on Halloween. It's tough, but like when 388 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: you see someone dressed up as Undertaker and or Caine. 389 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: You go, I know exactly what they are. I know 390 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: exactly what that is, and it's a full It's like 391 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 3: a full thing. So I loved their look. 392 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 2: There are a ton for us to get to and 393 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 2: trying to get a little more, a little bit into 394 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: the later modern era before we run out of time. 395 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 2: But I'm happy to do a different one if you 396 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: don't want to, would you like to do cmpunk John Cena? 397 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 2: Or do you want to jump into someone else that 398 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,359 Speaker 2: tickles your fancy a bit more? That one? All right? 399 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 2: I think this one is relevant because CM punk is 400 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 2: arguably top man right on the microphone as as far 401 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 2: as who as far as promos go, CM Punk okay, yeah, 402 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 2: in the company at this time, whereas John Cena cut 403 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: the same promo every week, it was here I am, 404 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: I'm here for you, I'm here for the people. I'm 405 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 2: here for the kids. You gotta work hard, you got 406 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 2: to do things the right way. And cmpunk got to 407 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:43,880 Speaker 2: be completely free in this and say what a lot 408 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 2: of fans thought about the brand at that time, ignoring 409 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 2: what the kids liked, right, and even said that in 410 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: some of his promos, like why do you think you're 411 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 2: on in the first segment because most kids are going 412 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: to bed, like Triple H and crack jokes on that 413 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 2: before cmpunk took a little bit of it as well. 414 00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 2: But Cmpunk's ability to talk to not only Sina, but 415 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: to Vince McMahon on the mic in a promo, face 416 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: to face, and come out as the winner in every 417 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:12,199 Speaker 2: single promo, in my opinion, even when I disagreed with 418 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: some of the takes he was having, he won every 419 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: single promo. Now, granted, and I prefaced it was he 420 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,120 Speaker 2: got a lot more freedom because John Cena's locked into 421 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: it was locked into a very specific promo at that 422 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 2: time when he was putting guys over like young guys. 423 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 2: Now you've seen some different stuff where he's doing the 424 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:34,640 Speaker 2: CM punk promo on guys like Austin Theory, or he's 425 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: doing the CM punk promo before that on Roman Reigns 426 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 2: and saying the real stuff that the fans were saying. 427 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: John cenas champion, as the g Rated Era Champion would 428 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: never do that. He would never do that. It would 429 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 2: all just land all that, the real stuff would just 430 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: fall off his broad shoulders and he would just do 431 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: the company line every time, And I think that's why 432 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: people responded so much to this, because the older fans 433 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 2: hated everything's John stood for. Now they appreciate the sacrifice 434 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,119 Speaker 2: he made because they understand it was more of a sacrifice, 435 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 2: I think. But then it was just pure hatred the 436 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: science of Sina wins. We riot never had the balls 437 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 2: to riot, but you always brought your signs. And then Ciampunk, 438 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: who was, as he said in his own words, I 439 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:24,040 Speaker 2: am the voice of the voiceless, and that resonated with everybody. 440 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: Not to mention the fact that both guys could wrestle 441 00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 2: their ass off, even though they would say you can 442 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,120 Speaker 2: wrestle to John Cena, forget all that, dude. The dude 443 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 2: could wrestle. And these guys tore the house down. And 444 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 2: this was during the g era, and they made it 445 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 2: look at least pg. Thirteen, if not ours. Sometimes what 446 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 2: about you, dude? 447 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 3: Would you think, well, so, then you liked the rivalry, 448 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 3: you liked these guys. 449 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: It's not It's not so much that I like because 450 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: I'm not a John Cena guy. I just respect what 451 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: his contribution was to the business and the sacrifice says 452 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 2: he had to make. Everyone knows how I feel about cmpunk. 453 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 2: I think he's awesome. He can wrestle and he can 454 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 2: talk sick on the mic. He's older now it can't 455 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 2: work the way he used to, but back then he 456 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 2: was a man. But neither guy was a connective tissue guy. 457 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 2: For me, I never got behind and rooted for anyone. 458 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,199 Speaker 2: But he's brought so much real shit to the table, 459 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 2: excuse my language. And that hadn't been done in that company, 460 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 2: hadn't even been allowed to be done, and Cmpunk got 461 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: to do it. And I think that's what made it 462 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 2: so specialist because he was telling the truth a lot. 463 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was not a big fan of either of 464 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,840 Speaker 3: these guys, I think. I so I still hold John 465 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 3: Cena in contempt for that rapping gimmick like he was coming. 466 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 3: It's just it was so cringey and weird. He was 467 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 3: also like, if you look back on some of those 468 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 3: pretty racist. He said a lot of like really racially 469 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 3: insensitive things about Mexican and stuff, like when he was 470 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,200 Speaker 3: going when he was going to the ring about Eddie Garrera, 471 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 3: Like he said a lot of like cringey, bad stuff. 472 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,880 Speaker 2: Yo, you just popped a story in my head. There 473 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: was this like underground story, and eventually I think photos 474 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: or video came out of Juan Sina where he would 475 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 2: have to wear a mask and John hated wearing masks, 476 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 2: and I knew that, and I was the one that 477 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 2: pitched Juan Sena to Vince, and Vince popped for it 478 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,440 Speaker 2: and made him do it tour in Mexico Swan Sena 479 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 2: and just because he knew he would hate wrestling the mask, 480 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: because John havin kind of like a prick to you 481 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 2: what I first thot, I was like a Vince will 482 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 2: never say yes, but I'm just gonna put it over. 483 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: It's like, ah, that's fucking great, We're doing it. And 484 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 2: he had to be want seen it, but go ahead. 485 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 2: I always deleted his wraps out of my mind because 486 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 2: they were like not what I liked as far as 487 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 2: rap went. 488 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 3: So I don't know what. The guy was so bad 489 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 3: and cringey, and he was like trying to be edgy, 490 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 3: but it always just come off terrible. Never was a 491 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 3: John Cena guy. Even when he came around, he seemed 492 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,040 Speaker 3: I don't know if he does, but he seems kind 493 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: of kurt. He seems very like like not like I 494 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: like stuffy, even when as the good guy. 495 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 2: Kurt I think is a fair fair thingsation. 496 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,120 Speaker 3: And then Punk. I was just never like a big 497 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 3: punk guy because I kind of missed that generation of wrestling, 498 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 3: like that was the the ruthless aggression era, was not 499 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 3: your favorite. Well, I just wasn't watching, so it wasn't 500 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 3: like big on punk people you see, we see them Punk, 501 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: I missed it. I was too busy doing whatever was 502 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 3: more important in my life at that time, trying to 503 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 3: survive basically, So these two, like their rivalry was never 504 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 3: like a huge thing for me. I know that they're 505 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 3: very important to a lot of people as far as 506 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: like seeing as a classic good guy and seeing them 507 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 3: Punk is a classic bad guy. But it still just 508 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 3: kind of feels like Hogan versus you know, if it 509 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: feels like we've got the classic good guy and then 510 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 3: the classic kind of but bad guy. I don't know, 511 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,479 Speaker 3: I just didn't do much for me, but I do 512 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 3: recognize that they were important to a lot of people. 513 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 2: I believe the term pipe bomb promo actually spawned from 514 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 2: this rivalry based on the his well the promo that 515 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: you should go watch on YouTube because I can't re 516 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 2: enact it because Punk killed it. But I think that 517 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: was the birth of that phrase. The pipe bomb promo. 518 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 2: I got to see the second pipe bomb promo locally 519 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 2: here in LA when mjf Ham on national television broke rule. 520 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: I bet they got fined that night. 521 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 3: You know what's funny is I love the punk its 522 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 3: credited for the first like pipe bomb, like on that 523 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 3: kind of stuff. You know, now Mgf's doing a pipe 524 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 3: bomb every week, every week. 525 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 2: Just if he does it too much though, then maybe 526 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:26,880 Speaker 2: it doesn't, you know, mean as much. 527 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,200 Speaker 3: Well, didn't Dusty Rhodes do one a long time ago 528 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: or not Dusty Dustin Rhodes. He came out dressed in 529 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: some terrible costume and he just kept like, I'll send 530 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 3: it to you guys. But I think he had like 531 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 3: one where he was like for years, they made me 532 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 3: wear a gold dress and he called me gold dust. 533 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 3: They made me do this crap and you know how 534 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 3: my family's been in wrestling this long and this this 535 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 3: is the death. They put me in this crap and 536 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 3: make me come out here like it was. It was 537 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 3: like a legit speaking to the back of the house. 538 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 3: I always thought he loved gold that was his idea. 539 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 3: I thought, maybe I'm tripping maybe that was part of it. 540 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: Maybe that maybe just part of the gammick that he's 541 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 3: pretending to not like it. I don't know. 542 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it was that good. All right, you guys, 543 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: we'll check it out. If you want to get into 544 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 2: what our most favorite current rivalries have been, you can 545 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 2: get it on Thursday's episode, so make sure you download 546 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 2: that too. Thank you guys for your support. 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