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Speaker 1: it's the sideways, the people's chance. The brother has been
Speaker 1: out here stopping doing what he gotta do, not on
Speaker 1: the other culture, but he even married into the coature.
Speaker 1: God damnit, he's done what he gotta do, been been
Speaker 1: been been out here from switching house from him, his
Speaker 1: his tastes for a millionaire and to nowadays is still
Speaker 1: out here, still doing what the hell they gotta do.
Speaker 1: If you had to get ice out in your mouth,
Speaker 1: you had to go see him. Your mother flippers in
Speaker 1: case you don't know to flip. I'm talking about my
Speaker 1: motherfuck game now, Paul, I want to. I want to
Speaker 1: start from the beginning, because, um, other than bumbye, this
Speaker 1: is our second in Houston rapper correct believe. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we had Scarface, but I got him sick at fucking
Speaker 1: my food show. I had to because I was filling
Speaker 1: my food show. And then he's supposed to do drink
Speaker 1: Chaps that night, and I brung him to a restaurant.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny as hell because he kept going
Speaker 1: to think annoys like that, so you know, scar Face
Speaker 1: is funny. So I thinking scar Face is making fun
Speaker 1: of me and Ship the whole time. This motherfucker's really
Speaker 1: get second. But anyway, I want to so, um, I
Speaker 1: want to take it from the beginning because obviously all
Speaker 1: of y'all are from this like the switcher House movement, right,
Speaker 1: So in the beginning, because um, I heard you used
Speaker 1: to write uh pepsie letters and things like that. But
Speaker 1: in the beginning, how did you get started? How how
Speaker 1: did you find your love for the music? Me and
Speaker 1: Comedion that we grew up together on the same street.
Speaker 1: I know in my whole life. We both was introduced
Speaker 1: to hip hop around the same age and around the
Speaker 1: same time, through the same era, especially if Texas artists
Speaker 1: didn't inspired us, you know, because at that time there
Speaker 1: wasn't if we look on the TV or turn on
Speaker 1: the radio, there wasn't a lot of people from where
Speaker 1: we're from that we're professional in music. Yeah, even then,
Speaker 1: it was like, I when you're living in Houston and
Speaker 1: you see like you turn on the other you turn
Speaker 1: on TV, whatever you see kind of like how people
Speaker 1: treat rapple out. Sometimes we always kind of felt like
Speaker 1: we got the short ended this. We're being kind of
Speaker 1: Houston like maybe being there, we're so centrally located at
Speaker 1: the South, at the bottom of the Midwest. You know,
Speaker 1: we're in the South, but we're far west on the South,
Speaker 1: so we're kind of removed from kind of what goes
Speaker 1: on sometimes in Florida, Georgia. Yeah, so it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: although we have a lot of similarities, it was like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, we stich a part of the South. Like
Speaker 1: sad he said that he considered he considered that the
Speaker 1: South like the Texas because of different time zone, right, right,
Speaker 1: do you do you agree with that statement or just
Speaker 1: I mean personally I never looked at the time zone
Speaker 1: is being a reason for where being in the south,
Speaker 1: because there's plenty of people in the central time zone.
Speaker 1: Is you know, Chicago's the central time zone and it
Speaker 1: ain't your solveth but you know, it's just it's just
Speaker 1: more the Southwest. But even then, you know, California is
Speaker 1: the Southwest. Texas teams so big, it feels west coast.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that gets lost to is it
Speaker 1: inside of Texas, we all got our own culture. So
Speaker 1: Houston and Dallas is a lot different. And if you
Speaker 1: add in San Antonio and Austin, all four of them,
Speaker 1: places are four distinct different cultures within Texas. Some of
Speaker 1: the stuff we do share, you know, some of the
Speaker 1: same similar only for top well, but imagine growing up
Speaker 1: in Austin where once a year is the biggest music
Speaker 1: festival ever, and then the rest of the year, it's
Speaker 1: like what's going on? There is events they go on
Speaker 1: there like throughout the year. Like there's some called Texas Relays,
Speaker 1: which is like a big slab of in a big
Speaker 1: car event where we're all we're all go there to
Speaker 1: to Austin for the Texas Relays for that and there's
Speaker 1: other events to you know, throughout the year and the
Speaker 1: Austin got a dope same period musically, not just you
Speaker 1: know all over musical for sure, specifically in hip hop,
Speaker 1: but you know, just it's a different culture, it's a
Speaker 1: different being there. It's a capital being it it's a
Speaker 1: college town being that they have the you know, it's
Speaker 1: considered a lie. They call it the live music capital
Speaker 1: of the world. So the rappers coming out of there,
Speaker 1: you can tell they're influenced by that. Then you go
Speaker 1: to San Antonio. San Antonio is a huge military uh
Speaker 1: town basically, so it has his own culture separate from
Speaker 1: the military. But the fact that there's all these military
Speaker 1: bases all on in San Antonio around San Antonio all
Speaker 1: the way to ford Hood, which is clean. But you
Speaker 1: have people to come from around the world and grow
Speaker 1: up in San Antonio, but they kind of like from
Speaker 1: New York, but they're living in San Antonio because their
Speaker 1: parents stay in santon Antonio, California. Man, it's a you Also,
Speaker 1: San Antonio is you know, the first like major major
Speaker 1: city when you come up the from the border, from
Speaker 1: the Mexican border right there. So there's you know, Brown's
Speaker 1: vill McCallen all that, Corpus Christie and in San Antonio,
Speaker 1: which is the big city is where you know they
Speaker 1: got we got a basketball team there, Spirs, We got
Speaker 1: the you know, the the Oilers used to do their
Speaker 1: pre games preseason out there. The Texans, I don't know
Speaker 1: if they don't think they do them, but the Oilers
Speaker 1: used to. They got you know, in Corpus Christie right there,
Speaker 1: which is right there with Selina's from Rest in Peace Selena.
Speaker 1: But they got the you know, uh in around Rock
Speaker 1: all around there. They got the different minor league teams
Speaker 1: for the Astros. So it's like it's it's different than
Speaker 1: like major, big city type of operations stuff they're going,
Speaker 1: but it's still big city things are going. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So if you're a producer or your artists coming up
Speaker 1: in San Antonio, you got more of a I would
Speaker 1: say a global influence growing up there because there's people
Speaker 1: that I mean, it's like that everywhere though, even Miami's
Speaker 1: people from all over the world right here. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's just when you when you're in school and everybody
Speaker 1: in your class their parents are from somewhere outside of Texas.
Speaker 1: It's like it just gives you a different perspective when
Speaker 1: you are growing up as a rapper producer. So they
Speaker 1: got a dope hip hop scene is you know, it's
Speaker 1: differently so each one of then we got other other
Speaker 1: cities like al Paso, which is right there on. You know,
Speaker 1: that's the piece of what happened. Man for show thoughts
Speaker 1: out to all the prayer Man Rising piece. But two
Speaker 1: thousand and five you were signed to Atlantic Records, right
Speaker 1: and the they boot on that was the people's chance,
Speaker 1: right didn't follow by getting money and state troopers. How
Speaker 1: can you compare being on a major uh too because
Speaker 1: you went back to the Independent. Now what do you
Speaker 1: like more than how do you compare? I mean the
Speaker 1: differences I would say is when you're independent, you gotta
Speaker 1: fund everything, uh and it's a lot more. The Independent
Speaker 1: is grindwork. Its relationships did either you or people in
Speaker 1: your inner circle have built on through years, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So that that's what the independent grind
Speaker 1: is all about. It is, you know, doing the footwork,
Speaker 1: doing legwork, just going out there, really touching, interacting with
Speaker 1: your fans, really giving the people what they want consistently.
Speaker 1: And when you go to a major label. You know,
Speaker 1: some people can continue that grind inside the major system,
Speaker 1: but it's a different It's like college sports versus major
Speaker 1: league sports. You know what I'm say. It's similar, but
Speaker 1: it's different. I mean the major. When you're on a
Speaker 1: major labe, when you got all their resources, money, you
Speaker 1: ain't got a called no whether they're calling for you.
Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's I would say being also
Speaker 1: that I sell grills through and when I was on
Speaker 1: a major label, I still had independent, multiple independent albums
Speaker 1: I was getting collecting money off of that was selling more.
Speaker 1: Now that I'm on a major and I'm selling grills
Speaker 1: and I got a teacher online, so I got other
Speaker 1: multiple businesses that are all benefiting from the eposure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I for sure it would say I would like
Speaker 1: the major better, buddy, if I'm just an art independent. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You gotta be built well, you know, definitely. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a if you if you have a great
Speaker 1: business mind and you you can take the bluss when tears,
Speaker 1: and you can hustle and not give up and tap out,
Speaker 1: then that independent is for show the way to go
Speaker 1: because you still the staff. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: that's what getting lost to is it when you're independent.
Speaker 1: It's like some of it works where my manager, who's
Speaker 1: my manager is he's been my managers, the only manager
Speaker 1: I've ever had, and he's my home where I grew
Speaker 1: up with. And he didn't go to school to for management.
Speaker 1: He was doing something else when I was like, hey, man,
Speaker 1: needs you to come on the road because I need help,
Speaker 1: you know. And the reason why I went with that
Speaker 1: route instead of going with somebody who has a you know,
Speaker 1: diploma degree. Yeah, I wanted to go with somebody that
Speaker 1: I personally can trust where they have what I feel like,
Speaker 1: they have my best interests at hard They come from
Speaker 1: where I come from, so they share some of the
Speaker 1: same perspective. They want the same things for me, where
Speaker 1: when some of them managers they just there for their money.
Speaker 1: They don't care for you and your wife stay married.
Speaker 1: They don't care if your whole hood turn on you
Speaker 1: and don't care about you and call yoursel out. They
Speaker 1: don't care about that. They were like, well, yeah, letn't
Speaker 1: call you said out. Were getting you these checks. But
Speaker 1: them things mean something to me, you know, Like it
Speaker 1: means something to me to be able to go back
Speaker 1: to why I grew up and for people to be
Speaker 1: proud of me to be from there as opposed to
Speaker 1: go back to why I grew up in them to
Speaker 1: be like here seilout man, we're gonna You know that
Speaker 1: that means more than meeting whatever the check might be,
Speaker 1: because you can't buy that type of love or respect.
Speaker 1: And also just you know, the music. For me, this
Speaker 1: is like this is a love of passion for me.
Speaker 1: So it's my dream job. The only other job I
Speaker 1: would want it would be to be a DJ. That's
Speaker 1: why I started out as DJ, because to me, that
Speaker 1: was something I've seen a career path and being a
Speaker 1: DJ where I didn't see a career path being a
Speaker 1: rapper because it just ain't that many rappers from our neighborhood.
Speaker 1: And then eventually when you start seeing people and come
Speaker 1: in there doing it for fun, and you know, we
Speaker 1: were going to school together, we and whatever grade you know,
Speaker 1: the second, third, fourth grade or whatever. Whenever you know
Speaker 1: we we're being on a on a munch table, we're
Speaker 1: on a school bus, whatever. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: it came from seeing other people doing it and me
Speaker 1: thinking it was trash man. I could put some words
Speaker 1: together and then someone maybe call me out what you got?
Speaker 1: You see what you got, and I'm like, all right,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what I got. And then you know,
Speaker 1: then the reaction of people, oh, damn, you're really good.
Speaker 1: It's like ship maybe I am kind of god it
Speaker 1: let me try to do this. But it was never
Speaker 1: you know, even up until because me and Comedia were
Speaker 1: wrapping for a long time before we saw any success
Speaker 1: and then when we got when we came into the Switchhouse.
Speaker 1: Even before that, I was doing I was DJM for
Speaker 1: the Switchhouse. I was carming Michael watch Crates, I was
Speaker 1: passing out flyers. Me and my boy T Ferris was
Speaker 1: in the in the office pressing up the CDs before
Speaker 1: they the same CDs that you buy out the store.
Speaker 1: We were pressing them up. So I was doing more
Speaker 1: background work as opposed to just being in front of
Speaker 1: the microphone. And I'm on the you know, on the mixtape.
Speaker 1: So I really worked my way into the Switch House.
Speaker 1: So even becoming an artist in the Switch Out that
Speaker 1: was like back then in our neighborhood was like every
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. Some of that to me was the street
Speaker 1: team was working for Dead Jam or working for a
Speaker 1: No Limit and then Cash Money, and then that's how
Speaker 1: I got on with Switchhouse. And then at that time
Speaker 1: too we switch House. Everybody wanted to wrap and switch out,
Speaker 1: like in Houston on the North Side. So it was
Speaker 1: like ship, how cannot be? And I've seen how Michael
Speaker 1: Watts when people start blowing his phone up to get
Speaker 1: on the tape, you know, eventually like, don't answer. I
Speaker 1: ain't answering that ship. But he fussed with me. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, now I don't want him to if I
Speaker 1: ask him, I don't want to turn that off. And
Speaker 1: I can't get on the taping on. I can't get
Speaker 1: you know, He's gonna be like, I don't come around.
Speaker 1: And so I said, okay, I just you know, work
Speaker 1: my way in doing other work, doing other work. And
Speaker 1: I actually got on with switch House with Michael White
Speaker 1: because at one time I've seen him I'm doing I'm
Speaker 1: putting up I'm putting up posters for a deaf gym
Speaker 1: artist somebody. I see him at one of the record
Speaker 1: stores and I asked myself, watch man, how come ya
Speaker 1: don't never wrap on the cash money? Many fresh beatau
Speaker 1: I should love cash money and many fresh beat hard
Speaker 1: and they would never whatever freestyle and he was like, well,
Speaker 1: the artists choose the beats, and they just didn't choose
Speaker 1: the beat. And I'm like, man, they tell him they tripping,
Speaker 1: they need to wrap on this beat that beat, and
Speaker 1: he just caught them out. Was like, well, what would
Speaker 1: you do when I just freestyle something? And he was like,
Speaker 1: come on, let's go. And then we took me to
Speaker 1: the studio and watch. Um he died off a lean
Speaker 1: or now you're talking about j screw But even then, um,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like a debatable subject. I mean, he
Speaker 1: did have coding in his blood, but I don't think
Speaker 1: that's what killed him. He had a lot of he
Speaker 1: had other stuff and you know, the lifestyle be will
Speaker 1: kill you, I think more than Lane now. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's very touch of subject. And then and
Speaker 1: also try to I like some of it. I try.
Speaker 1: I try to be respectful or not only him or
Speaker 1: whoever else. But at the same time, it's a lot
Speaker 1: of miseducation that people talk about there, like you know,
Speaker 1: fake facts about lean Like I mean me personally, I'm
Speaker 1: never seeing ever anyone in the history of drink ever
Speaker 1: die from coding. Now, is it possible you could die
Speaker 1: from that. Man, I might be drinked out and then
Speaker 1: getting a car accident, but the lane would kill me.
Speaker 1: You know, if if I said drank and I mean
Speaker 1: fry foods every day, I'm not drinking the water. Only
Speaker 1: water I'm drinking is the ice in my cup. I'm
Speaker 1: not exercising it all. I'm staying up, I'm not getting
Speaker 1: proper sleep. Everything else I'm eating and putting in my body.
Speaker 1: And not only fried food. But there's some type of
Speaker 1: track is sugary, right, and then and then you mix
Speaker 1: it with some is that like a big part of it? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know, I have seen long term people who see
Speaker 1: drink long term they teeth might get sucked up. But
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of it is just it ain't
Speaker 1: like meth where if you smoke meth, your teeth gonna
Speaker 1: get sucked up. With drink. If you sit drink and
Speaker 1: you don't brush your teeth ever, and you still drink
Speaker 1: every day, every every day, then you might get cavities.
Speaker 1: But that's this ain't could be said for the soda.
Speaker 1: And most people that I've heard talking about it, they
Speaker 1: say it's the soda that funs your teeth for not
Speaker 1: to drink. There's sugar in the drink, but the sugar
Speaker 1: in the soda is what's really what it is. Now.
Speaker 1: The thing that I think, um most people, I think
Speaker 1: the most valuable information about any type of recreational drug
Speaker 1: consumption is that, you know, it's kind of table, like
Speaker 1: the way he said it, recreational drunk, do you know
Speaker 1: some of them taboo to talk about. But at the
Speaker 1: same time, the fact that we're keeping it private is
Speaker 1: what's causing people to die. Like some of this like
Speaker 1: you know, if you're taking norcoles or oxycoton or anything
Speaker 1: like that, or any opioid, yeah, and you're drinking alcohol
Speaker 1: that she could be deadly. If you're taking the opioids
Speaker 1: and the xanax and other things, the combination that ship
Speaker 1: for shows deadly. So it's like you know it ain't
Speaker 1: because you know, yeah, you know it was ill almost
Speaker 1: that when they said that they found pimps that that
Speaker 1: he couldn't he couldn't breathe like so like like like um,
Speaker 1: like I think he rolled over or something like that,
Speaker 1: I forget, and like he couldn't breathe, so that they
Speaker 1: didn't say it's lean they said that like sleep Yeah,
Speaker 1: he had for show. He had rest in Peace man
Speaker 1: to he uh, he he had sleep apnel and the
Speaker 1: doctor told him, you know he's watching ours. She'll say
Speaker 1: this when she come on there. You got ask if
Speaker 1: she'll tell you when the doctor say you got sleep apnel,
Speaker 1: you have to have the masks. If you sleep without
Speaker 1: the man. Yeah, he told him, if you sleep without it,
Speaker 1: you're gonna die. He slept without it. He died. Did
Speaker 1: he have drinking He did have drinking his system. I
Speaker 1: think they said he had cocaine and system to it,
Speaker 1: you know, but you ain't never hear knowing saying, oh
Speaker 1: he died from cocaine over those. But they had cocaine
Speaker 1: in the system. They said, oh, you die from drink
Speaker 1: over those. The doctor didn't say he died from drink
Speaker 1: over those. Doctor said he died from heart respiratory failure
Speaker 1: or something which came from the sleep avenue. But lean
Speaker 1: is a dangerous because I see so many people like
Speaker 1: so addicted to it, Like I know people who don't
Speaker 1: you wake up and that's what they do. Some of
Speaker 1: it is I mean me, I think the lifestyle is
Speaker 1: the most dangerous where the lane is so expensive, so
Speaker 1: people will get caught up in sipping lane and then
Speaker 1: they sucking their money off. Now, it ain't like to
Speaker 1: the point where people is breaking in their mama houses,
Speaker 1: pawning TVs to go buy a drink, but they will,
Speaker 1: you know. I see people off a lot of money
Speaker 1: on the drink. And and to me, it was dangerous
Speaker 1: about it. The absolute most is the fake drink. When
Speaker 1: they be playing talking about it, he was breaking down
Speaker 1: all the fake stuff. Yeah, that ship is the most
Speaker 1: most most dangerous because man, you don't know what you're sipping.
Speaker 1: So what are they doing when the man, they need
Speaker 1: to stop doing whatever they're doing. Man, they need to stop.
Speaker 1: But this I don't know. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: whipping it up in their garage like you know, or
Speaker 1: if it's something they just they don't brow this ship. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're doing. But it ain't drunk,
Speaker 1: you know, it's maybe whatever they don't I don't know
Speaker 1: that ship. To me is what's the dangerouship though, is
Speaker 1: when they said the fake drink because you don't know
Speaker 1: what you're sipping. It's just like when they when you
Speaker 1: got pressed up pills. You know that when pressed up
Speaker 1: pills are dangerous man. You know, one little grain of
Speaker 1: fitting all more than you're supposed to have would kill
Speaker 1: you. You You know what. The activist still floating around don't know.
Speaker 1: You can google this. They stop making activists in two thousands,
Speaker 1: like Levin. So someone has activists right now it's fake.
Speaker 1: Oh they it's real. But then if my mama had
Speaker 1: activis right now, I'll tell a quick plane that ain't real.
Speaker 1: Is it possible? I mean this the this the scam
Speaker 1: I got my I got all this fake drink. I
Speaker 1: come to you and I say, hey, I got a
Speaker 1: homeboy in Kentucky, his grandma on the pharmacy. They ain't
Speaker 1: sell this ship. They ain't never get rid of it,
Speaker 1: and we got a stoppile of it. It's the real ship. Man.
Speaker 1: I can get it to you whatever. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going off what you're saying. You know, you're
Speaker 1: completely scamming me or somebody scam you, so you really
Speaker 1: believe it, and then it's that's the thing is that man,
Speaker 1: I can tell you, you know, that's that's what they say.
Speaker 1: It's came from the Midwest somewhere or somewhere like that,
Speaker 1: where if something came from a pharmacy in Iowa. How
Speaker 1: can I verify that I'm in Houston. You know, if
Speaker 1: it's come from anywhere, can I was the first? I
Speaker 1: don't know who the first ever come back here. We
Speaker 1: need to make that who is that? You know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I take the rest of the ship out of here.
Speaker 1: It works. It works. The other thing they'll do is
Speaker 1: they'll say, oh, I know somebody who used to work
Speaker 1: at Activists, so they know how to make it. They
Speaker 1: got they can get the chemicals online and they can
Speaker 1: make it. They know how to make it. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing. Man, that ain't the same thing, and they
Speaker 1: ain't work used to work at Activists. They send the
Speaker 1: fake drinking. They just need a story to sell it.
Speaker 1: Another thing they'll say is, oh, well, okay, the the okay,
Speaker 1: we got the pharmacies in the Middlewest. We got to
Speaker 1: somebody used to work at Activists. Then they'll it'll be
Speaker 1: just things like that, or I know somebody who can
Speaker 1: create it, or I used to have it, or my
Speaker 1: homeboy just got out of jail. This smoke kicking in,
Speaker 1: so I just got a jail, or my my homeboy
Speaker 1: just got out of jail. He had these points at
Speaker 1: his Mama House and he want to sell them, you know,
Speaker 1: but it'll be what you got a hunted points because
Speaker 1: you've been selling them the same points for months now.
Speaker 1: Ship like damn. But you know they the scams on
Speaker 1: the fake drink on how it's real is just man,
Speaker 1: It's it's ridiculous though. But you know we pick up papers,
Speaker 1: pick up to Smoke Channel, pick up to two Miami
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, pick up to people with cherry
Speaker 1: and like I said, Sean papers and all that. But
Speaker 1: all right, so switch house now, but go before that
Speaker 1: because I want to go back to when when Screw
Speaker 1: and then started making the taste that was all based
Speaker 1: off of lean culture as well, right, I mean it
Speaker 1: was a part of it for sure, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But it was like it's like when you
Speaker 1: make a club song, it's not you know, the alcohol
Speaker 1: have something to do with the alcohol, go with it.
Speaker 1: But you can make a club party song and you
Speaker 1: don't even drink to slow down music. Wasn't because for
Speaker 1: sure that was part of me. You know, you know
Speaker 1: I think if you were sober funny, I mean, what
Speaker 1: is going up? Well, I mean I grew up and
Speaker 1: I didn't smoke or drink growing up until I was older,
Speaker 1: so I grew up appreciating it. To me, it was
Speaker 1: the greatest music on earth. So you know, you can
Speaker 1: still appreciate it, you know. I think without there, but
Speaker 1: I think in the moment of creating it and all that.
Speaker 1: And I created it too before. I you know, I
Speaker 1: was slowing music down DJ and like that, before I
Speaker 1: was really like leaning, what do you actually do to
Speaker 1: slow it down? It's different now now it's like now
Speaker 1: it's a plug that was just a Houston thing or
Speaker 1: like because you know, back in those days. It's funny
Speaker 1: because I'm there was a DJ in Florida who would
Speaker 1: make mixtape too slow down, but he wouldn't they wouldn't
Speaker 1: chop him up. And I think Flori a lot of
Speaker 1: them maybe, but it was it was like a pretty
Speaker 1: because when I think, here we speed it up. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember I came down here in like nine, uh
Speaker 1: for something that was going on and with my Jamaican partner,
Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, you know, it was going down.
Speaker 1: It was all up tempo, you know, and then we
Speaker 1: passed by one person. I hear somebody jamming screwed and
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, ship, they must be from Texas. And
Speaker 1: then that's how I found out, like, now, no, we
Speaker 1: were that, But since we sped it up out here,
Speaker 1: it was like, how the fund do you listen to this?
Speaker 1: Because everybody's doing cocaine? So think about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just made it up, but I think about it.
Speaker 1: Kind of makes sense we're sped up out here. That
Speaker 1: sounds a little better some of them in Texas. I
Speaker 1: you know, I thought about some of them Texas. We
Speaker 1: spread out, you know, so we got you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta have a car to get from point A to
Speaker 1: point B or whatever. You gotta have a car, whereas
Speaker 1: you know, it's like that in a lot of CITs
Speaker 1: as well, but you know it's also not like that
Speaker 1: in a lot of seats, so we spread it. You
Speaker 1: gotta have a car. A lot of people take better
Speaker 1: care of the car than the house. So we're gonna
Speaker 1: make sure we have mute. You know, there's based in
Speaker 1: the trunk. So didn't that leads to there being based
Speaker 1: in the music because when you're artists too, you're like,
Speaker 1: they ain't playing my ship if they got on base
Speaker 1: in this. And let me make sure you got a
Speaker 1: lot of base in it, then as hot as fun,
Speaker 1: so you know she's slow like that. Then the swing
Speaker 1: and all of that. The driving slowly really traditionally, like
Speaker 1: in the car car wise, came from the streets being
Speaker 1: sucked up. They're being potholes. Whatever. Man, if I'm in
Speaker 1: this car, ain't my rooms up, I'm gonna drive slow.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna swing around them. And then it became like
Speaker 1: a tradition or fokes on your ms when the wheel
Speaker 1: yourself that that's for nigga's not to come close to
Speaker 1: your car. I mean, this is the style for the
Speaker 1: Over the years, they've gotten wider. You know, they originally
Speaker 1: when they originally came out in the eighty four, they
Speaker 1: was they didn't stick out past the fender. But just
Speaker 1: you know when they as time went on, they got
Speaker 1: the technology got better, the rims got improved from going
Speaker 1: from alumium still, so you know, they don't get then
Speaker 1: up as much. They don't fall apart like they used
Speaker 1: to it. So you know, it's like it just didn't
Speaker 1: got upgraded updated with the times. But because we'll drive
Speaker 1: right next to each other and be looking like we're
Speaker 1: about the crap, you know, take it, definitely take a season.
Speaker 1: Veteran driver, you gotta kind of hold you nuts when
Speaker 1: you're driving. You know some of that would have been
Speaker 1: at the same time. You gotta kind of be you
Speaker 1: gotta be focused. You can't be on your phone all
Speaker 1: that kind of ship. You gotta you gottau But so
Speaker 1: that's the you know that that candy they dripped that
Speaker 1: wet yourself house inside of the House of Colors, Shout
Speaker 1: out the House of Colors. You know, that's that's something man.
Speaker 1: You know, car lovers around the world. That's funny because uh,
Speaker 1: a lot of people, a lot of the car cultures
Speaker 1: outside of Houston don't funk with the poking rims. They're like, like, man,
Speaker 1: they don't funk with the yeah, car clean, but the
Speaker 1: rims look like trash, so they really don't. Man. Especially,
Speaker 1: it's funny, like all my brothers in California, they'll be
Speaker 1: going at it with all my holies to Texas, where
Speaker 1: it'd be like ship because the cars be a little
Speaker 1: bit different. But car car lovers everywhere, you know, they
Speaker 1: got a love for that candy paint. Man, when you
Speaker 1: got that that paint is so well to look like
Speaker 1: a jolly rancher. The painting look like it looked like
Speaker 1: you just sprayed it with a with a water holes.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that, Man, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just something about that, especially when it's clean. You got
Speaker 1: candy paying this dirty man, I'm the definition of riding dirty. Man.
Speaker 1: I should be so dirty. But man, when when that
Speaker 1: should be cleaned up and you're looking good? Man, ain't
Speaker 1: nothing like a wet candy car. Man, Ain't nothing like
Speaker 1: a slab on candy man. For so, now, how did
Speaker 1: you get into grills? Because most rappers, no one is
Speaker 1: thinking like that, Like how did you? How did your mind?
Speaker 1: Even like every business I got into, it was I
Speaker 1: want that. How can I get a cheaper? I can
Speaker 1: get a cheaper if I sell it. Then if I'm
Speaker 1: just a customer, so how can I sell it? And
Speaker 1: then let me, you know, let me learn the game
Speaker 1: whatever anything any business I have or have ever had,
Speaker 1: so with that, it was always wanted one. I wanted
Speaker 1: to grill. But you know in the South, it was
Speaker 1: always permanent grills. You know, you would go to a
Speaker 1: Dinnis to do the grills and then you know you
Speaker 1: couldn't get no removable grills, nothing like that. That's what
Speaker 1: we would always see and ship everywhere period. And then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden we see Wu Tang on the
Speaker 1: videos taking the grills out. We're like, man, what's going on?
Speaker 1: They did they do that? I won't want new grill.
Speaker 1: We ain't have nothing like that, Yeah, perfectly. So then uh,
Speaker 1: you know, my boy crime came from Brooklyn. He came
Speaker 1: with the removable style grills to Houston. He's still selling
Speaker 1: grills to He like a traveling grills salesman. He go
Speaker 1: all around the country, out around the world selling grills.
Speaker 1: But he came to Houston to our neighborhood selling New
Speaker 1: York style grills, you know, removable grills, and it was
Speaker 1: cheaper than the other grills. We're like, man, what's going on.
Speaker 1: He's some flea market grills. He's some like beauty shop
Speaker 1: grill win shot grills. What's going because you know you
Speaker 1: can get the one little tooth to come on? Come on,
Speaker 1: we ain't talking like we're talking about like the custom
Speaker 1: removable all of that. We're like, man, hold on. Everything
Speaker 1: he had was just some next level of different ship.
Speaker 1: And I would always see him was at that time too,
Speaker 1: I'm passing out flyers promoting that clubs. And then I bam,
Speaker 1: see his flyer on the car, so I bump into him.
Speaker 1: He see me. He like, oh, you're the one who've
Speaker 1: been passing out these flyer And I'm like, man, you
Speaker 1: do one who selling grills and you're like I just
Speaker 1: straight up total. He wanted me to work for him
Speaker 1: doing promotions. I'm like, bed, I want to work for you,
Speaker 1: but ship, I need that wholesale price. You know. I
Speaker 1: ain't gonna start my own store without you. Nothing like
Speaker 1: that I needed for my own personal use. So he
Speaker 1: hired me to promote, had me promoting for me, actually
Speaker 1: had me running the store selling grills, and that's how
Speaker 1: I got my first set of grills. Was you know
Speaker 1: how to make grills yourself? Oh yeah, oh yeah, but
Speaker 1: you you know finish from yeah, from taking your mold
Speaker 1: to casting the gold. I ain't now now I ain't.
Speaker 1: I ain't. I can't front if you if I say you,
Speaker 1: if I get your grill like your grills, you ain't
Speaker 1: give me the verse. I like to take your mold,
Speaker 1: let me take your over trying to set before Hey,
Speaker 1: Sue said the man you know so yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: man from there was boy corn. He had me up
Speaker 1: onund of him and then eventually he just he brought
Speaker 1: me to Johnny where we was just salesman. Johnny made
Speaker 1: everything from scratch. At that point, Johnny was, you know,
Speaker 1: on his rise to start him, you know, being a
Speaker 1: grill maker and hen like, man, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: about time for me to get a story. That's right
Speaker 1: around the time when we linked up, and then we
Speaker 1: just kind of took it to another level. And then
Speaker 1: him being a Vietnamese immigrant, it'd be tough sometimes. Man.
Speaker 1: The story this is, this is like one time I
Speaker 1: hung out with t V. Johnny is one of the
Speaker 1: motherfucker most you know, he got the Ellis Access. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I had just said, l A. I was with
Speaker 1: sip TV and I think we just hooting the video
Speaker 1: for these people mastercraft. So TV Johnny comes, Johnny Dade
Speaker 1: comes to h I think he was filming in the
Speaker 1: Roxy in l A on the sunset. So I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: I'm mad happy. I went to Watts, I went to Carpton,
Speaker 1: I went to Inglewood. I went to all these hoods
Speaker 1: and um l A. So the whole time, I'm saying, man,
Speaker 1: I just went to all the hoods in l a TV.
Speaker 1: Johnny looked at me and said, man, there's no hood.
Speaker 1: They eat my dog. Yeah, yeah, Ship. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: identify what the fun is being hood and eating his
Speaker 1: dog somebody. Because I said, you can't just tell me
Speaker 1: something like yeah, just move on. I need to know
Speaker 1: why you just said that. He said, Man, I had
Speaker 1: my pet one day. I said, said, yeah, my dog.
Speaker 1: I went to the store. I leave on my side
Speaker 1: take him And I said what? And then later on
Speaker 1: and he said, they gave me and play the fool
Speaker 1: I eat my dog with them. I said, that's the
Speaker 1: story I heard. Never forget it. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: We went to Ever. We went to We didn serially.
Speaker 1: We was in the village and he was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should remind me that we say this is from
Speaker 1: He's like, hey, this is ship. Yeah. He's like, man,
Speaker 1: it's just like being on you. Well, Tago got the
Speaker 1: room and went to the actual. Man. It was so dope, bro,
Speaker 1: just like you know, first of all, going over there,
Speaker 1: going to Africa, it's something that's like, Man, that's the
Speaker 1: mothers going to Africa tomorrow to enjoy. Brother, they enjoy.
Speaker 1: You're gonna man, You're gonna love it. Man, every everything
Speaker 1: period there was like just just being there. It was
Speaker 1: just a whole experience, breathing in the air. I'm taking
Speaker 1: it all and you know, I'm man, see this is
Speaker 1: where the people got one hands from, Like the I
Speaker 1: don't know what I keep saying that, you don't know
Speaker 1: what I keep coming out with. It was crazy. Man.
Speaker 1: When the Raquel, when she came to us to do it,
Speaker 1: my boy Te Ferris was like, man, I don't know
Speaker 1: if we want Paula to go to Africa, you're gonna
Speaker 1: come back with the Daishiki even had no grill, He's
Speaker 1: gonna take Ain't gonna be on the same, gonna be
Speaker 1: a different because everybody always you know, think about Dave
Speaker 1: Chappelle when he went to Good then he turned down
Speaker 1: fifty million, so that's what he said, You like, man
Speaker 1: on with that fifty million, come we need to sign
Speaker 1: the check, you know. But I was just like, now,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, you know, even if it do transform
Speaker 1: me personally, and also being at the time when I
Speaker 1: just had I just had my son, So it's like
Speaker 1: you put it just puts the whole world in perspective,
Speaker 1: you know, just especially growing up in Houston, leaving Houston
Speaker 1: to go to other cities and then going to other
Speaker 1: continents and other a little completely different worlds. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's an amazing thing that I this is
Speaker 1: my dream job. Man. I appreciate every second and all
Speaker 1: of that. Then to really be educated on the diamonds
Speaker 1: and all that things I ain't know about it, So
Speaker 1: to put us on what did you learn out there? Okay,
Speaker 1: First of all, the ships corrupt as fun, just like
Speaker 1: it is everywhere worldwide, you know, ship and man, people
Speaker 1: being exploited. All the stories you hear about Africa being
Speaker 1: exported for their resources, that should be real talk like
Speaker 1: people don't be understanding that this this is a world
Speaker 1: where every human came from and now it seems like
Speaker 1: every other country and continent has exploited it in a
Speaker 1: long way or continue to so. Man with the diamonds specifically, okay,
Speaker 1: they had a civil war in the nineties where it
Speaker 1: was you know, it was it was crazy and like
Speaker 1: a lot of they of course they got the movie
Speaker 1: with Leonardo DiCaprio, Blood Diamond. He kind of talks about
Speaker 1: explaining some of it, but you know, it would be
Speaker 1: basically rebels who would take over the diamond mines and
Speaker 1: then trade the diamonds for drugs or trade them for
Speaker 1: guns or things like that. And there was some crazy
Speaker 1: ship child soldiers out there, you know, like thirteen fourteen,
Speaker 1: fifteen years old soldiers, and you know they would come
Speaker 1: in and you know, completely destroy a village and can
Speaker 1: out the kids. Then put the cocaine in the coffee
Speaker 1: of the kids and and drug them and brainwashed them
Speaker 1: into thinking somebody else did it as different. Oh, completely sure.
Speaker 1: First of all, you know, things I didn't understand what
Speaker 1: the Kimberley process where if you buy a dim If
Speaker 1: I'm a jeweler and I go buy my diamonds wholesale,
Speaker 1: it needs to be registered through the Kimberly process. Now
Speaker 1: what that means is when the diamond is mind in
Speaker 1: the mind. And they got different minds. They got like
Speaker 1: flint stones looking minds, just like a big gass pit,
Speaker 1: and they got these big gas machines, and then they
Speaker 1: got the watermines where they're out there sitting in the mud. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so there's there might be more, you know, our caves
Speaker 1: and us, but what we saw, that's what I saw.
Speaker 1: So they are and when they mind basically everything from
Speaker 1: who own the on the mind who's actually mining. There's
Speaker 1: it's like labor laws, Like a lot of this ship
Speaker 1: is corrupt, so they'll pay. Man, they would get like
Speaker 1: a dollar a day. Some ship thirty ninety cents a
Speaker 1: day and a bowl of rice. That was their pay
Speaker 1: for being out there in the mud sitting through the diamonds.
Speaker 1: They ain't write the ninety cents a day. And you know,
Speaker 1: so things like they where you know, there's there's not
Speaker 1: like labor laws on that type of ship. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy, man, to see that it's like this.
Speaker 1: And then the crazy perspective is just just living in
Speaker 1: this civilization, Western civilization where you're taught that you know,
Speaker 1: the diamond is you know, that's a symbol of success,
Speaker 1: that's a symbol of achievement, of pride to show off.
Speaker 1: But then to see when you try trace back where
Speaker 1: it came from all the way and not all diamonds
Speaker 1: are mind like that, through child labor and things like that,
Speaker 1: but the ones that are, it's like it just it
Speaker 1: just makes you think about all, like, man, what is
Speaker 1: it really worth it? You know, who was getting paid
Speaker 1: off of this? And then you see you know. So
Speaker 1: that's why for me going out there, it was important
Speaker 1: that Johnny came with me because I'm like, bro, we
Speaker 1: gotta come out there because there's certain things on the
Speaker 1: business and that I don't know. I don't you know
Speaker 1: the people that you know, he the businessman when it
Speaker 1: comes to negotiating all that type of ship. I'm the
Speaker 1: marketing person where I'm the face of the company, you know,
Speaker 1: So he do what he do. I do it. Don't
Speaker 1: change anything you did based on how you off Top
Speaker 1: before that, we you know, we didn't even know of
Speaker 1: the Kimberly process, so all of that, you know. And
Speaker 1: then of course Johnny being from Vietnam where it's the country,
Speaker 1: the life that it was the same, it was a
Speaker 1: lot similar to what we saw, it touched him as well.
Speaker 1: So for sure, off Top we switched our diamond hostel
Speaker 1: up and make sure they were going through the Chimerley
Speaker 1: process the ones before. Now let me say this and
Speaker 1: what the Chimley process. Let me finish it. When you
Speaker 1: mind it, you know, when you mind the diamond, you
Speaker 1: have to you find the diamond. You gotta you know,
Speaker 1: if I own the diamond, mind, I gotta get it.
Speaker 1: Each diamond registered. Then when it's sold whoever it's sold too,
Speaker 1: there's like a it's got a number registered to it
Speaker 1: so it can be tracked where exactly it came from.
Speaker 1: Now it's you know, with anything on the black market,
Speaker 1: you can you're diamond when I when we were when
Speaker 1: we out there at people in the hotel, like you
Speaker 1: need some diamonds, And I'm like, man, ain't just like
Speaker 1: damn that? Like, man, that be well, I'm just tripping
Speaker 1: to myself thinking like, man, what type of person like
Speaker 1: the flood on the diamonds. I'm glad we weren't out
Speaker 1: there to get the plug on the diamonds, were out
Speaker 1: there to try to understand or you know, it's I
Speaker 1: think it would be kind of like I mean, I
Speaker 1: can't say like we can change the world and we
Speaker 1: can change it, but we personally have to make a change,
Speaker 1: you know. I think that's what you doing. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: where after that. Oh yeah, the holy experience out there, bro,
Speaker 1: it was everything you know of Uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: got the U n escorting us. You met all the
Speaker 1: mutilated kids also thinking we met some of them. There's
Speaker 1: like a village to it, like it's it's some of
Speaker 1: it's it's just you know, you see kind of like
Speaker 1: growing up here, man, you know, we first you taught
Speaker 1: that everything is perfect, and then you realize it's all
Speaker 1: lives and bullshit. And then later on you realize the
Speaker 1: whole world is like that. You know, that's kind of
Speaker 1: how it was for me. Like I grew up thinking it, oh,
Speaker 1: America is great, and like, damn, this is funked up
Speaker 1: how it happened or how it still is. And then
Speaker 1: you go out to other places in the world, you like,
Speaker 1: damn the world. It really the world really fucked up.
Speaker 1: How we treat each other man's crazy. Man, So let's
Speaker 1: take it back, right, you and Johnny, you link up.
Speaker 1: He got crime, links you up with Johnny, right, all right,
Speaker 1: And Johnny's already doing it. He's already. He's already Johnny
Speaker 1: was at that time. This is Johnny's basic story. He
Speaker 1: came from Vietnam. Johnny actually has a crazy story within
Speaker 1: his personal family. His uncle was a general in the
Speaker 1: army in Vietnam. The commune side or the side is
Speaker 1: down with America. His uncle escaped from Vietnam. He was
Speaker 1: in jail. He escaped as a prisoner a war. It
Speaker 1: took him eighteen times. On his eighteenth time, he finally
Speaker 1: escaped and made it to America, got a political stylum
Speaker 1: everything here, and then one by one his family would
Speaker 1: come over. Johnny made it here when he was young,
Speaker 1: I think just out of high school. Um, like he
Speaker 1: might have just graduated like some time around like that,
Speaker 1: and he went to school. He started off doing jewelry repair.
Speaker 1: He was man. His first six months here. I think
Speaker 1: he said he made five dollars his first six months,
Speaker 1: and he was like, man, this is the greatest in
Speaker 1: the world. It was like, you know, as a as
Speaker 1: a community, like has going back to Vietnam, saying a
Speaker 1: few times I tried to reach out when we did,
Speaker 1: I also went to Vietnam. We did a film out
Speaker 1: that I was trying to reach out to them to
Speaker 1: be in the film. You should have win, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I just wanted to get like an interview from
Speaker 1: him about going. Yeah, it's already done, but I mean
Speaker 1: I want to go back. Man, maybe loved it. So
Speaker 1: what's it called coming home Vietnam? Thanks a lot, buddy,
Speaker 1: coming Yeah, that's what we got checked out. Back in
Speaker 1: the days they used to have to say, who is
Speaker 1: Mike Jones right now. It was where is Mike Jones at?
Speaker 1: Where is that nick guy? Man? Yeah? Man, your guests
Speaker 1: might be as good as mine. Maybe the number still works,
Speaker 1: call it the number? What happened? They don't? I think
Speaker 1: he actually, I think the phone company actually like tried
Speaker 1: to sue him because of that number, because they like, man,
Speaker 1: he don't have it no more so whoever has like
Speaker 1: they can't use it as a number. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, because they whoever it is like right now
Speaker 1: is people texting college. It's dumb. Shout out Mike Jones away. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: we wish you the best man ship. You know, what's
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? What it is? Got slimmed up bun
Speaker 1: y'all got you, you got you got z, We got
Speaker 1: my boy and trade the truth. We got Agan Stallion.
Speaker 1: Shout out Magan Stadion. Lizzo, uh Lizzo from Houston to
Speaker 1: Travis Scott, Sauce twins, Travis Scott, none of your niggers
Speaker 1: niggas from Yeah, that's what's ill about it. You know
Speaker 1: he definitely from move yeah yeah, and he gets the
Speaker 1: biggest tribute though. Yeah. I think about that too, because
Speaker 1: you know we've Throughout the years, there's been other artists
Speaker 1: that have come out of Houston that didn't come with
Speaker 1: the traditional age town sound, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: But he for sure took it to another level. But
Speaker 1: I think, you know what his style he has more
Speaker 1: of like you know, I think he's a kind of affected.
Speaker 1: It's you know, I have a bias being from Houston,
Speaker 1: so I'm gonna look at him like, oh yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he god, you know, but because he's yeah, yeah, because
Speaker 1: he's successful. So I'm rooting for him. I want to
Speaker 1: see all these for sure, but you know, just seeing
Speaker 1: just you know, just how you do his thing with
Speaker 1: the production and the rapp and then for him to man,
Speaker 1: man he on Saturday Night that Kardashian sex bring you
Speaker 1: right to the top with shout out to the kardash
Speaker 1: We've seen him on Saturday Night Live. Oh DJ screw
Speaker 1: in the background, them type of things. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: you know, and that kind of just goes to show. Like,
Speaker 1: you know, even from Houston or whatever wherever you're from.
Speaker 1: You know, if we got a wide variety of flavors,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, we do have our best
Speaker 1: selling flavors but we got a wide variety of flavors
Speaker 1: shout out yeah yeah, And I wanted the people to
Speaker 1: know that. Paul Walter said he's not drinking today, So
Speaker 1: I Am not drinking up. It's going in and expect that.
Speaker 1: So because you know, some people come out here and
Speaker 1: they don't don't drink it like they drinking some time,
Speaker 1: and you know, I don't like that. You know, I
Speaker 1: want to join my guests. Now we have guests that
Speaker 1: don't don't come on or don't smoke or drink. But
Speaker 1: it spa corse like Joe. But we had Joe button
Speaker 1: on I'm saying his name right nine because they was
Speaker 1: both they both felt like they were acn um well
Speaker 1: not Acon voice and um Joe. They felt like they
Speaker 1: were addicts at one point and that's the reason why
Speaker 1: they don't indulge anymore any time I want, right, so
Speaker 1: you don't still with or do you? Or do you huh?
Speaker 1: Or do I mean? You know? It's when you get
Speaker 1: older and then being a parent and then being a
Speaker 1: role model and actually seeing kids and then also having
Speaker 1: conversations with other artists and CEOs from Houston, from the
Speaker 1: eras that raised me and having them type of talks
Speaker 1: with them and get you a different perspective on the influence,
Speaker 1: where if I talk about it in a rapp or
Speaker 1: even if I make a whole song about it and
Speaker 1: I'm wearing a activist shirt or something, you yeah, but
Speaker 1: shall still got it. But even then I don't. It's
Speaker 1: at the jury store. Some of it is, Like, man,
Speaker 1: how much of it is it just representing the culture
Speaker 1: or how much when is it turned from that to
Speaker 1: promoting the culture and promoting the misinformation of things? And
Speaker 1: then you know, it's like, man, we got parents on
Speaker 1: there trying to band boycott us. These kids that get
Speaker 1: on the internet and day like this, they look like
Speaker 1: and they can't stay up Like that's like, yeah, some
Speaker 1: of it is, but I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 1: most of them not sitting drank though I think most
Speaker 1: of them is taking someone's and popping pills and others.
Speaker 1: But you know, and that's the it Definitely at some
Speaker 1: point it went because it's it's so funny man, being
Speaker 1: in you know, have grown up music. Leaving my musical
Speaker 1: career or when I signed to a major or whatever,
Speaker 1: you're going around the country recience drink. We asked you know,
Speaker 1: what's drinking or whatever. And then I just you know,
Speaker 1: certain places I'll go. I remember being in places and
Speaker 1: there was some very high powered people in the room
Speaker 1: and we sit and drank. They're looking at us like
Speaker 1: we're complete crackheads, and I'm like, damn, they're looking at
Speaker 1: it like we crackheads. But they was snorm cocaine, like yeah,
Speaker 1: and we just like damn. It's just funny to see,
Speaker 1: like how drink has just globally become accepted now, you know,
Speaker 1: like it's rapping. Like I was looking on Instagram's rappers
Speaker 1: in Africa talking about sit and drink and I'm like, damn, man,
Speaker 1: it's going down. And it's the other things like I
Speaker 1: got a homeboy from Poland. I went to Poland. He's like,
Speaker 1: I got a present for you. What's up. It's some
Speaker 1: Poland drink. I'm like, damn, what's going down? And for
Speaker 1: so anytime we go to Mexico, we always you know,
Speaker 1: and my farmer see you know, but you know, it
Speaker 1: ain't and they make it different all around the world,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, But it is it is
Speaker 1: cough serve all around the world. You know, you had
Speaker 1: one song to represent your your whole career like like
Speaker 1: like everything just once on to represent Paul or what
Speaker 1: would that song be? Uh? Man, that's a good one
Speaker 1: man ship, dude. It's definitely been a journey of career, man,
Speaker 1: my whole my This is my dream job. So I
Speaker 1: look at this as my career like ship, every aspect
Speaker 1: of whatever, even if it parlay and the other businesses.
Speaker 1: This is my dream job, dream career. I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: this as long as I'm able and capable, man, you know,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I think, you know. For so
Speaker 1: I would maybe say drive slow because you know it's
Speaker 1: not not friends would say maybe drive slow would be?
Speaker 1: And what what artists from the town inspired you? And
Speaker 1: then from outside of the time. For sure, Lott Kiki
Speaker 1: was my biggest inspiration. He um. You know I grew
Speaker 1: up on the era the screwed up Click everybody screwed
Speaker 1: up Drake talk about no no, no, you know these
Speaker 1: little look crazy you know what I mean and everything?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Yeah, I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: So yeah. Look, he's basically the originator of a lot
Speaker 1: of the Houston culture, especially when it comes to rapping
Speaker 1: about the culture, putting on you know, having him, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm sure he'd be a incredible guest because he can
Speaker 1: give you know, all kind of background history. You know,
Speaker 1: it was it was him. It was him fat patting
Speaker 1: DJ screw started off and then you know, there was
Speaker 1: definitely it was people involved, like you run see what
Speaker 1: to do for sure, those people involved, like in the
Speaker 1: streets like Corey Blunt, who was like a key figure
Speaker 1: where he you know, the cars he was, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the people in the streets making the money.
Speaker 1: So he had his cars right, so it was like
Speaker 1: an inspiration for everyone. You know, the way we do
Speaker 1: our cars now was all of you know, he inspired
Speaker 1: me for show the most. He was my favorite rapper
Speaker 1: still is he the greatest rapper to me still is
Speaker 1: you know, his wordplay, the things he would say, also
Speaker 1: just representing put it on for the for the Houston culture,
Speaker 1: being that he was somebody out looked to. He was
Speaker 1: from where I'm from, from the city I'm from. He
Speaker 1: represented where I'm from, where I looked at him as
Speaker 1: being somebody you know, up high, who who's professional, who
Speaker 1: made it, whose elite? You know what I'm saying. Where
Speaker 1: ship he from where I'm from? Ship that's that's exactly
Speaker 1: who I would want to be. You know, definitely he's
Speaker 1: my favorite, But he didn't answer from side who was
Speaker 1: murder from outside the town inspired, I would say maybe
Speaker 1: b G Um Maybe yeah, how boys? For sure BG
Speaker 1: was my favore. B G and juvenile there was my favorite,
Speaker 1: uh b G for sure. I think because I had
Speaker 1: the best collection, the biggest collection of his music. For
Speaker 1: sure that that was. Even though I maybe didn't pattern
Speaker 1: my rap style off of him, um, he definitely inspired
Speaker 1: me a lot. Just a lot of that too, came
Speaker 1: from the locality of where he You know, any any
Speaker 1: local rapper, they're my favorite rapper Man Snoop Dogg. They
Speaker 1: don't get more local than that. He long Beach Light,
Speaker 1: but he's global, you know, you know any local global, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand, But you know, all the local rappers are
Speaker 1: always are my favorite. You know, when you when you
Speaker 1: ascend with your career, they want you to be more
Speaker 1: mainstream so more people can funk with it. But sometimes
Speaker 1: you lose your local news. But the local rappers are
Speaker 1: always the dopest to me, many my favorite. Now you
Speaker 1: got like the eminem past. Like what I mean by
Speaker 1: that is like you know how most people they will
Speaker 1: be like, oh, logic is dope, But then they'll say,
Speaker 1: logic is dope for a white white boy, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And then they'll say, uh, you know
Speaker 1: MC searches dope before a white guy. I don't hear
Speaker 1: people say that about you, like I hear people say
Speaker 1: Paul Walls, and I hear people say Eminem is dumpe,
Speaker 1: like like, how does how does that resonate with you?
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm very grateful to people appreciate me
Speaker 1: in any capacity, and they say, are dope for somebody
Speaker 1: to wear a hat? You know? Even that, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like at least they think I'm dope because you know,
Speaker 1: I got bullied, I got picked on. So I'm I'm
Speaker 1: glad I got friends. Now I got my real friends.
Speaker 1: Shout out to my real ones, man, Hey, what's up here?
Speaker 1: Shout out to my boy Perier out there? Google, what's up? Google?
Speaker 1: Ty Fair, all my real ones out there. But you
Speaker 1: know it's funny because we'll think about it, like, well,
Speaker 1: like me and my boys will laugh about that, like
Speaker 1: when they had like the top ten greatest white rappers
Speaker 1: ever and I ain't on the list, Top twenty, top fifty,
Speaker 1: and we'll be like, damn, I know I'm better than
Speaker 1: some of them. But you know, it's like, okay, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't know how we traded you A long time ago.
Speaker 1: I forgot I got traded you for I think Grave
Speaker 1: Brady my man. Yeah, but they hey, but man, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Some of it is like dogs sterling,
Speaker 1: just ting. I don't know. I don't know how I
Speaker 1: should feel being you know, like I never cared. I
Speaker 1: never wanted to be a white rapper. I never wanted that.
Speaker 1: And then growing up in Texas, a lot of times
Speaker 1: people thought I was, especially with a low hit because
Speaker 1: they like, oh he Hispanic, or he mixed, or Frenchman
Speaker 1: from Louisiana. They is one of the three Frenchman. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but they called him Frenchman. That's what I want to be,
Speaker 1: a Frenchman. I want to be a Frenchman. Mixtape Frenchman.
Speaker 1: I think I think some of that too, being on
Speaker 1: the Switchhouse mixtapes. My voice is slowed. It's pre Internet,
Speaker 1: so you can't google what somebody looked like, so you
Speaker 1: didn't know how what I look like. You hear my music,
Speaker 1: it's already slowed down, so it's already got effects on it,
Speaker 1: so you really didn't know what I will what you know,
Speaker 1: what I looked like. And then I think sometimes people
Speaker 1: make excuses up like that just because to give me
Speaker 1: a pass, like or not here he got to be missing. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because it's funny. Man. One time I was in Florida,
Speaker 1: had the show and start six nine uh Roy Jones
Speaker 1: Junior Club in Pensacola. Uh And it was like one
Speaker 1: of my first shows, me and come in there, and
Speaker 1: I was at the bar before I'm about to go on.
Speaker 1: It was a sold out show. It was you know,
Speaker 1: it was because we was rocking it back then, just
Speaker 1: even on the mixtape. Sold out show and I'm just
Speaker 1: at the bar getting to drink. Somebody next to me
Speaker 1: say his homeboy, hey man, when I went Paul Walk
Speaker 1: going on, Man, how long we gotta wait till Paul
Speaker 1: Walk going on? I turned to him and said, oh,
Speaker 1: what's up, bro, I'm going like fifteen twenty minutes. He
Speaker 1: looked me up up and down my head like he's
Speaker 1: about to steal off on me. I'm like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm like whatever, you know, all right, that's what's up?
Speaker 1: And then I left. I'm like whatever. Then after the
Speaker 1: so he came up to me. He was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that was you. I mean, I he
Speaker 1: just straight up to him. He's like, man, I don't
Speaker 1: mean no offense, but I hate white people. Man. He
Speaker 1: told me. He was like, I hate the white people.
Speaker 1: He said, so, he said, but really you're my favorite
Speaker 1: rather so when you told me that at the bar,
Speaker 1: I'm like, who then is that? And I'm like, he said,
Speaker 1: then I come on stage, so he told me. He
Speaker 1: told me, I mean, I'm torn between two words like
Speaker 1: I like you because you're my favorite rapper. I hate
Speaker 1: you because you're white. And you know, I'll just that
Speaker 1: just man. It was so whoever that was man, you
Speaker 1: still out there. Man, ain't much love to you. I
Speaker 1: get a discount on the grill. That's some, but you
Speaker 1: know some of it too, man. I just personally, I
Speaker 1: don't like think back. I think because sometimes I see
Speaker 1: white rappers and they'll come to me like man, a
Speaker 1: lot of times, man, you know all man, all the time,
Speaker 1: white rappers come to me for advice on different things.
Speaker 1: You know, uh rappers are always coming, you know, they
Speaker 1: come me to say, how do I be a white rapper?
Speaker 1: I don't want imagine did they say that in so
Speaker 1: many words? You know, it'd be I get asked some
Speaker 1: some questions, it will be I think, how could you
Speaker 1: ask somebody that? Or how could you even think that? Like,
Speaker 1: you know, my advice to anybody you want somebody like
Speaker 1: you just be really yourself because if they don't like you.
Speaker 1: For me and faith, yeah, but so so I mean,
Speaker 1: but it's funny sometimes. But at the same time, I
Speaker 1: don't know, because growing up I had friends of all races.
Speaker 1: For sure, most of my friends were black, but I
Speaker 1: had Asian friends too, had a lot of Messican friends
Speaker 1: or Hispanic. I had friends who were other Dominican other
Speaker 1: things too, were not just mixing but Guatemala, uh you know. So,
Speaker 1: but for sure, most of my friends were for sure black.
Speaker 1: I had some white friends, but the white boys in
Speaker 1: my neighborhood were the ones that would beat me up,
Speaker 1: bullying me. So it was ship. It was, you know,
Speaker 1: that's just how it was for me that coming in there,
Speaker 1: like I grew up coming in my whole life. So
Speaker 1: me and they were friends, you know, since the kindergarten.
Speaker 1: Damn there you know what I'm saying. So you know,
Speaker 1: not only him, but all our friends from that area.
Speaker 1: We all you know, came up together. We are very
Speaker 1: similar and everything we do, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But and we all had friends of all races. But
Speaker 1: being white sometimes it's like, you know, when they don't
Speaker 1: have me on the list, it'd be funny like ship
Speaker 1: then at the same time, but like, well, that's I
Speaker 1: don't want to be seen as a white rapper or
Speaker 1: none of that. I just want people to see me
Speaker 1: for being dope or whatever. But definitely you know, being white,
Speaker 1: being dope for a white rapper or being dope. Are
Speaker 1: you dope for such and such? You dope for a girl?
Speaker 1: You don't do that? Yeah, so I wouldate to Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's uh, you know, I mean, it's good to be
Speaker 1: appreciated to be considered dope, but it's also you could
Speaker 1: be dope, not just for one aspect. Ever had a beef.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you and I'm thinking, like, you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're always been positive, so I'm thinking like, like,
Speaker 1: I know you don't commit that, but y'all y'all beef
Speaker 1: for a little while. But like it was more it
Speaker 1: was a lyrical it was more like just personal, but
Speaker 1: with him it was real. It was personal because we
Speaker 1: were best friends and then we took separate paths and
Speaker 1: you know, but it's very great. Shout out to pen
Speaker 1: c Man. Pence has had a huge He's a huge
Speaker 1: reason why we reconcile. He talked to us individually. I'll
Speaker 1: also shot to Eforty, the two biggest people it was.
Speaker 1: You know, I mean some of it is like not
Speaker 1: worth talking about because you know, bringing up all ship,
Speaker 1: but you know, it's just we had different views on
Speaker 1: certain things or you know, sometimes money might have been
Speaker 1: involved or whatever. We just it was meant for us
Speaker 1: to take separate paths. So when it was meant for
Speaker 1: that to happen, that happened. And thank you know, thankfully
Speaker 1: we kept it off Wax so that you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, some of them this is you
Speaker 1: go back even when you're cool. You're like, damn said
Speaker 1: that about me? God, you know, so uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like, man, you know, we thank god, we thankfully,
Speaker 1: thankfully we kept it off Wax. But Eforty was the
Speaker 1: first one to say, man, y'all tripping you know, how
Speaker 1: much money y'all can make and by the time you
Speaker 1: realize that that opportunity is gonna be gone, nobody's gonna
Speaker 1: care no more, or they're gonna be on to the
Speaker 1: next or something like the forties. Always tell us man,
Speaker 1: because Eforty fused with both of us, he gave us
Speaker 1: both advice. We was cool anyway, we was friends, but
Speaker 1: he was like a effort for sure. It was a
Speaker 1: big mentor in the game. But specific league, Man, you
Speaker 1: and Commed are tripping. Then pm C said it too,
Speaker 1: it's like legends. And then pm C like he came
Speaker 1: to he spoke individually to both of us, Man, what's
Speaker 1: up with you? Commed there, man, what's the problem. Okay,
Speaker 1: you're tripping? He tripping to funk that y'all making y'all tripping?
Speaker 1: His money out there, y'all can be making all this money.
Speaker 1: Y'all ain't got to get along, e man. Before they
Speaker 1: I don't know if they talked before they talked to us,
Speaker 1: but they both told us the same. You know, it
Speaker 1: was like man. And then when he put us in
Speaker 1: the song Knocking Doors Down, he shot us out. Then
Speaker 1: even before that, you know, the public will come, what's
Speaker 1: up with your COMMUNI it, what's up with you? Commit?
Speaker 1: What's up with you? Comman? It's cool whatever. Then eventually
Speaker 1: sometimes people will the public will die down, like we
Speaker 1: always to touch yourselfject if don't ask him about that,
Speaker 1: even when it ain't touch yourself, you no more. And
Speaker 1: still they'd be like, oh, I don't respect, I don't
Speaker 1: want to ask you about this or that. You know.
Speaker 1: But then you know, pm C put us in the verse.
Speaker 1: Everybody he said commit still eight talking oh money speak
Speaker 1: out that boys keep walking. He basically caught out all
Speaker 1: the Houston rappers saying, y'all tripping with each other were
Speaker 1: beef and we need to come together. But he say uh.
Speaker 1: When he said that, then every all the public say damn, man,
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do? Damn and everybody like it's like
Speaker 1: it made it cool to come talk to us about it.
Speaker 1: And then it was and it really forced us to
Speaker 1: come together. And especially when PIMPS passed away, it was like, hey,
Speaker 1: we gotta do this for pim C. Man. You know
Speaker 1: you know it's it's for pim C. You know for
Speaker 1: sure that he had It was a huge reason why
Speaker 1: we came back together. Squad stuff B and we used
Speaker 1: to pimp let us um and jail. You wasn't You
Speaker 1: wasn't yet I was. That was kind of like it
Speaker 1: was like during my attension, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then there's different levels. There's you know, you could
Speaker 1: be a one hit one, that you could be an
Speaker 1: underground mixtape, you know. Person Once you get on the
Speaker 1: radio is different. Once you're on TV and the magazines
Speaker 1: is real different. And it's an era before the Internet,
Speaker 1: before smartphones and ship. So you know, you didn't you
Speaker 1: couldn't find out about other artists unless it was put
Speaker 1: in front of your face, you know, unless you go
Speaker 1: to that CD and go to a record store. You know, ship.
Speaker 1: The only way you hear it is if if they
Speaker 1: played on the radio, which is somebody else controlling, or
Speaker 1: they played on TV, which is somebody else controlling, or
Speaker 1: there's it ship. You know, you it's tough to hear
Speaker 1: about you guys. Address and just said let me just
Speaker 1: addresses man, big bro who to dude. She're a big
Speaker 1: fan of course. And at that time too, you know,
Speaker 1: I was, I was already making a name for myself
Speaker 1: with Switchhouse, and then some of it too is you
Speaker 1: know when you say somebody, Hey, free pm C. You'
Speaker 1: say it on a rap. You know you ain't trying
Speaker 1: to be like false claiming saying that you know. Some
Speaker 1: of it yeah, you know, and some of it is
Speaker 1: people who they reached like a motherfucker. So it's like,
Speaker 1: if I don't know him, it's better to say, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't never met PIMC, but free him. I love him.
Speaker 1: But if you act like, oh, that's my PENC, free PC,
Speaker 1: but you ain't never met him, it's like, what are
Speaker 1: you faking like a motherfucker? So you know some of
Speaker 1: that too, is you know, is how can I represent
Speaker 1: hold it down for him out here while he locked up,
Speaker 1: and communicate with him so that I can't represent, you know,
Speaker 1: not like I'm speaking for him and spokes for something
Speaker 1: like that, but just at least to communicate let him
Speaker 1: know that we're holding it down for yet. If you
Speaker 1: need something from any of whatever, we ship whatever here
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's funny, you know. The type
Speaker 1: of advice he would give me would be like with
Speaker 1: messing with girls on the road, a man, she strap
Speaker 1: up them host dirty, you know, she like they don't
Speaker 1: leave your money out in your pockets they're gonna go
Speaker 1: through your pockets when you were taking a shower, watch out,
Speaker 1: you know, ship like that, Like but that's real talk.
Speaker 1: Like you know, I ain't got you know, I ain't
Speaker 1: had to lose the role legs to learn that lesson.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Ship, you tell you for
Speaker 1: I'm not a smoker. What are you smoking? Without smoking?
Speaker 1: I smoke backwards and these these papers not they're not
Speaker 1: lighting up these you gotta show. That's why I said, Man,
Speaker 1: I feel like a new ship like you just lighting
Speaker 1: in the smoke just hit you. He's killing Now what
Speaker 1: the fund comion there invested that? Now? They is the man?
Speaker 1: I don't know, but put your boy down man on it.
Speaker 1: We need to told me he invested in lift. Somebody
Speaker 1: told me, yeah he Somebody told me he's with a
Speaker 1: hedge fund or something. That's you know. Anytime I talked
Speaker 1: to him, abody he telling me he's doing he's doing
Speaker 1: something involving a hedge fun. Yeah, they take your money,
Speaker 1: they invest in a bunch of ship. Yeah, what are
Speaker 1: you doing? I don't know. I'm going to get in
Speaker 1: on it, but I don't know what he's doing. But
Speaker 1: it's working for him because and he always tell me, man,
Speaker 1: I ain't retired, but what am I gonna do for
Speaker 1: other than for the love? So he'll still do verses
Speaker 1: like he did the verse for me on Swinging in
Speaker 1: the Rain remix. Anytime I ever asked him to do
Speaker 1: verse for me, you always did it. And you know,
Speaker 1: but for sure, you know, I'm sorry I pay. A
Speaker 1: lot of it is you just gotta let it go.
Speaker 1: If we bring it up and talk about it, we're
Speaker 1: gonna fight, We're gonna argue. We've got different opinions, perspective,
Speaker 1: we might both be right on whatever we're saying. But
Speaker 1: a lot of it is, hey, we went through what
Speaker 1: we went through this the past. God let us on.
Speaker 1: Now we're here. What we're gonna do about it. We're
Speaker 1: gonna go forward with this, be positive about this. So
Speaker 1: we're gonna you know, And then some of it, too,
Speaker 1: is taking the responsibility of publicly beefing with someone else
Speaker 1: from your city like that, like you know it. It
Speaker 1: just sends more of a message that this is how
Speaker 1: to make it. Like people think, oh, if I troll you,
Speaker 1: you will respond, because if I compliment you, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna respond. And whatever they can do to get a
Speaker 1: response is cool because no one's they're getting overlooked. So
Speaker 1: it's whatever they can do to get some type of attention.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, you know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of it is just letting it go and you know,
Speaker 1: appreciating the fact that God took us, like I said,
Speaker 1: brought us through things to make us who we are.
Speaker 1: And you know, I apologize for my own he apologift
Speaker 1: here or whatever, even if we ain't wrong. Man, look
Speaker 1: we we saw. Man, Let's make it work and then
Speaker 1: should go from there. Where was you at when you
Speaker 1: found out Bush with Bills? Because I know he had
Speaker 1: to be a legend to you as well. Man, I
Speaker 1: got crazy a couple of crazy stories about Bush with
Speaker 1: Bill just in dealing with him. Man, I got a man.
Speaker 1: Yeah he was, Man. I remember I met him. I
Speaker 1: was like twelve years old. This is like the first
Speaker 1: time I ever flew on the plane. It was in
Speaker 1: the airport around like one o'clock, I don't know, two
Speaker 1: o'clock noon. I don't even remember this because I met
Speaker 1: Bush Foo Bill and it was the first time I
Speaker 1: ever flew you know. So I'm a kid, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I remember a lot of that you know, and so anyway,
Speaker 1: I mean in Houston Airport, Hobby Airport, Um, some of
Speaker 1: these too. I know from fact checking with my mom.
Speaker 1: Hey mom, who was that? Oh that was Hobby. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember the extrememember. She knew Bush will be there too.
Speaker 1: So anyway we we. I see him in a uh
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a kid, my mama doing something. My twel
Speaker 1: years old, so I'm, you know, almost a teenager. I
Speaker 1: see him sitting there with a bunch of luggage around him,
Speaker 1: in like a lounge area of a restaurant, just like
Speaker 1: you know, a restaurant whatever, just sitting there with a
Speaker 1: bunch of luggage and knocked out off top. I recognized him,
Speaker 1: but he's by himself. I'm like this bushell bill, Why
Speaker 1: ain't got a security rapple out mab with him? Everybody like,
Speaker 1: why are you by myself? I'm like them, Should I
Speaker 1: go talk to him? Count talk to him? Man? What's up?
Speaker 1: So I just said I'm gonna go talk to me
Speaker 1: and knocked out, passed out in a chair and I
Speaker 1: just go to him, shaking tam. You know, I looked
Speaker 1: back and I you know, I had I had an
Speaker 1: opportunity to telling me the story too before he passed away,
Speaker 1: you know. And but uh, you know, looking back, I realized, man,
Speaker 1: you know, now I'm a kid. I ain't know. People
Speaker 1: need their space, you know. I'm like, damn, I was mad,
Speaker 1: just respectful, like coming up to waking on about to sleep,
Speaker 1: talking to him, but why and he like, or what's up?
Speaker 1: He wake up? Get up? Like what's going on? And
Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'm what's up? Man? You Bill You're like, yeah, man, man,
Speaker 1: that's what's something. Nice to meet you man. And I'm
Speaker 1: just asking them like a kid questions. You ain't even
Speaker 1: asked for Instagram before. But I think I might have
Speaker 1: did get his autograph, and if I did, I still
Speaker 1: have it because I have. I got Big Boys autographed
Speaker 1: to one time. I see, I got a story out
Speaker 1: to them. Okay, but yeah, but I met uh, I'm
Speaker 1: a man man. Yeah. But anyway, I'm a big fan
Speaker 1: of hip hop, especially back then. If someone would come
Speaker 1: to concert, it could be somebody I've never heard of,
Speaker 1: and I'll go I'm too young, just to see what
Speaker 1: they're looking like walking into the club or whatever, or
Speaker 1: see if I can meet him. You know, I never
Speaker 1: heard them just because it was hip hop. To me,
Speaker 1: it was dope. But anyway, uh, butcher Bill. I started
Speaker 1: talking to him and I'm like, you know whatever, having
Speaker 1: a kid conversation. Eventually I realized, like, I'm kind of
Speaker 1: tripping right now, man, and I'm thinking eventually people are
Speaker 1: gonna come back and they're gonna be like, what the
Speaker 1: are you doing? Talk? You know, you gotta go. So
Speaker 1: I was like, damn, all right, bush Man, I'm ill
Speaker 1: let you and I left, you know, And I was
Speaker 1: there and okay then when I work, you know, and
Speaker 1: it was just a great positive interaction. But I thought
Speaker 1: that's how all rappers were. They want to talk to
Speaker 1: you whatever they'll work up about. They I'll just sleep
Speaker 1: to talk to you. So then I'll go to the
Speaker 1: later on in life when I'm working for Death Jam.
Speaker 1: It was an artist that I'm promoting the hardest funk
Speaker 1: for bringing his records to the DJ's, putting his posters up,
Speaker 1: passing his flies out. He come to town. I try
Speaker 1: to highlight him, thinking he's gonna be bush with cool
Speaker 1: ast fun, thinking he knows what I'm doing for him.
Speaker 1: He was rude as fun like man. It was a
Speaker 1: complete opposite interaction. Is what was Bush With? And it
Speaker 1: was like, damn, you don't know. I'm working my ass
Speaker 1: out for you. You won't he ain't even rapping. I
Speaker 1: don't even remember what. I'm sure if I go back
Speaker 1: to whatever year it was, I can think back the
Speaker 1: and ex off the list. It wasn't him wonting him
Speaker 1: on him. Okay, it was him, but whoever it is,
Speaker 1: he ain't rapping no more. But then that that led
Speaker 1: me to be the people's champ because I'm like, I
Speaker 1: want to be like bush With. I want my interaction
Speaker 1: to be positive. When someone walk away from seeing me,
Speaker 1: they like, damn, they got smile on, They're facing, They're like, man,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm at Paul. That's real. Then he cool as fuck.
Speaker 1: I don't want it to be man, fuck him. I
Speaker 1: ain't never listen to his music again. I should have
Speaker 1: stole off on him. Damn, man, I'm gonna go at
Speaker 1: him on a song like That's how people be like you, man,
Speaker 1: you shoot on people like that. So I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: I want to be more like bush With. Now let
Speaker 1: me tell you when I'm made a big boy. It
Speaker 1: was like a few years later, maybe like I might
Speaker 1: have been still a kid I was still a kid.
Speaker 1: I might have been like I might have been like
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen. So it was around the same time as
Speaker 1: I was working for De jim Me and come in there.
Speaker 1: It was like, well, we was just old enough to drive,
Speaker 1: but we ain't had a car. So they had a
Speaker 1: concert come through Houston and it was outcast I believe
Speaker 1: it was Air Cobato and it was The Roots and
Speaker 1: Cypress I believe, yeah, it was. It was Ship. It
Speaker 1: was crazy, but it was at the time when all
Speaker 1: of them were new artists too, so it was like
Speaker 1: quest Love opened up that I mean on that question,
Speaker 1: Love or the Roots. I met quest Love there too.
Speaker 1: He was cool as too. He's just standing at the
Speaker 1: you know, one of the Witch Boost and I'm going
Speaker 1: up to him like, oh ship that you want to say,
Speaker 1: then that's crazy that I'm going back. Me and community, Okay,
Speaker 1: Me and comedy was at the show. We're sitting at
Speaker 1: the the Okay. It's the center of Mitchell Woodlands Pavilion
Speaker 1: where it's outdoor pavilion. They got a lot of these
Speaker 1: all on the country, not the same name, but they
Speaker 1: got these type of venues where they got like front
Speaker 1: row seating and then they got like lawn seating in
Speaker 1: the back grass. Okay, so it'd be like it'd be
Speaker 1: like a chair seating, and then it was a walk
Speaker 1: away and then it was like a six foot up
Speaker 1: chaired seating. So me and then behind that was all
Speaker 1: the grass. Okay. So me and Coming that's sit in
Speaker 1: the front row or the back chairs. So where the
Speaker 1: walkaway is in front of us, we're bouty like six
Speaker 1: ft up, eight feet up, but we're at the edge
Speaker 1: front row. So people walking so outcast before and they
Speaker 1: get off stage and they walked, they walked through h
Speaker 1: I see a big boy of walking and I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's walking with two security guards. I'm like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: come in there. They'll go, big boy, damn, what's man?
Speaker 1: We gotta stop and we gotta like what are we
Speaker 1: gonna do? We way up here where like we gonna
Speaker 1: racing time. And also me and Coming are very different
Speaker 1: in these perspectives. Comed There has more of a Houston
Speaker 1: mind frame when it comes to celebrities and especially rappers.
Speaker 1: And this is the mind frame. I ain't gonna be
Speaker 1: on his dick. I like them, but I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: ride his nuts. So that's like Ship the Houston mind
Speaker 1: frame would be a sold out show. Everybody mean mugging you.
Speaker 1: But they love you, but they just mean they don't
Speaker 1: want you to know they love you because they want
Speaker 1: to be embarrassed. So you know, they whatever, they don't
Speaker 1: want you to thinking they're on their nut. So I'm
Speaker 1: more of a man. I love that person. Let me
Speaker 1: go tell them I love them, you know. Come in
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I love them too, but I ain't
Speaker 1: gonna be on. So we're sitting there and don't we
Speaker 1: like just sit on the front row. But I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: come in a big boy or whatever, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: Man I said, fucking I gotta go. I gotta say
Speaker 1: what's up. I just hop down, jump over the thing,
Speaker 1: just like I'm running from the cops. Jump over the fence.
Speaker 1: I hoped down, jump down by the six eight feet
Speaker 1: I land takes me down. Him and his bodyguards was like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: what's going on? What's going on? I'm still like somewhat
Speaker 1: of a kid. You can tell. I was like fifteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: so I might have looked adult tish, you know, I
Speaker 1: might have had like a little baby whisker mustache. But
Speaker 1: they can still tell them young, like I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: come up like fight him or nothing like that. But
Speaker 1: and they're like, what's going on, Like, man, big boy, MA,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm just a fan, my fan, I'm
Speaker 1: a fan. Well, you know, can can you take can
Speaker 1: you sign something? He signed something for me? I still
Speaker 1: got that autograph to this day too. Uh, I said
Speaker 1: I would collect things like that. Like that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I can't remember specifically now that you know, I for
Speaker 1: sure I got to go back and tell bush With.
Speaker 1: I mean, I go, I gotta go see uh if
Speaker 1: I got that bush With autograph, I think I still
Speaker 1: doing it because I think it was on like a napkin.
Speaker 1: But in anyway, I know a big boy signed in
Speaker 1: the actual ticket I still got there. But anyway, that
Speaker 1: was my big Boys story. But going back to Bushwick,
Speaker 1: when I saw Bushwick, I mean later on, and I
Speaker 1: see him all the time, like I would see him
Speaker 1: at shows. We were you know, sometimes we performed together
Speaker 1: and we'd be kicking the backstage, chommling it up. He
Speaker 1: also has a son always I connected with for a
Speaker 1: while me and was was always real cool. We still
Speaker 1: you know still all but like over the years, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So I got to know him
Speaker 1: and his son, you know whatever through the years. But
Speaker 1: more recently when it came out that you know, he
Speaker 1: had stage for pancreatic cancer, that was kind of like where,
Speaker 1: you know, they kind of did like a kind of
Speaker 1: call to action, you know, you fun with Bush with
Speaker 1: kind of let him know because clock kind of kicking,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it was like one
Speaker 1: of the things where you know, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: for sure restopped just to tell him, man, how much
Speaker 1: you know, I appreciate him, you know whatever. I love
Speaker 1: for him, and we always you know, we had a
Speaker 1: you know, we had a you know, I always had
Speaker 1: a great connection over the years. But then he told me,
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I'm working on the album. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be basically my my last solo album, you know, you
Speaker 1: know whatever. You know, you don't really want want to
Speaker 1: say it like that at the time, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of like how he was saying, like, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: doing another solo album is basically gonna be you know,
Speaker 1: is it? You know you're down to get on it.
Speaker 1: Of course I'm gonna get on I'm a professional rapper.
Speaker 1: And its icon legend, somebody I look up to inspire
Speaker 1: me from my very first interaction with a rapper of him,
Speaker 1: me wanting to be like him, to be a people's champ.
Speaker 1: So of course I don't get on there. So you know,
Speaker 1: I went to the studio with him, got to kick
Speaker 1: you know, chopping up with him, and really you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I did my verse. It was cool that,
Speaker 1: you know, I actually did two songs. But you know,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of quick in the studio, so I did
Speaker 1: my thing. That's cool. But after that, we just chopping
Speaker 1: it up for hours upon hours, you know, And like
Speaker 1: I said, you know, he's somebody I've known throughout the years,
Speaker 1: but are it would be we backstage at the concert,
Speaker 1: so we still it might be chopping it up for
Speaker 1: a couple of hours, you know, getting ready to go on.
Speaker 1: But it's a group satting kind of you know as
Speaker 1: a party atmosphere. So this's like real intimate want to
Speaker 1: you know, just me and him, you know, his son,
Speaker 1: a couple of other people, to engineer, a couple of people.
Speaker 1: You know, he just in there just chopping it up,
Speaker 1: talking about all kind of it is. And I got
Speaker 1: to tell him, you know, before I went to the studio,
Speaker 1: I told my mama, said, Mama, gets on going the studio.
Speaker 1: Bush Bill, No, man, for real? You member when you
Speaker 1: met him in the airport. I'm like, hey, that's my man.
Speaker 1: When I'm trying to figure out to get like a
Speaker 1: real win. Was that you remember? That was? She kind
Speaker 1: of tell me when it was, that's when we did this,
Speaker 1: and that that's the first time he flew. I kind
Speaker 1: of you know, so it kind of you know, we
Speaker 1: remember that kind of thing. So when I I told
Speaker 1: b I said, Bushell, I'm gonna tell your story. Man,
Speaker 1: I tell him a story. Shout out to Bushoo, Man,
Speaker 1: I tell him a story. He say, I said, bush,
Speaker 1: I met you when I was twelve. He say, all
Speaker 1: the way there, I tell my whole story. Say, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was the Resurrection tour or whatever tour. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was a hippy airport in the summer. Yeah I remember that.
Speaker 1: You said, uh, were you wearing summer clothes? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: remember that? But he said, yeah, I remember. So I
Speaker 1: don't know what that was you, but I remember meeting
Speaker 1: the youth in the airport in the We're in summer clothes,
Speaker 1: you know. Was that you I'm like, man, you remember that.
Speaker 1: That's crazy? But no, I don't know he really did
Speaker 1: remember that, or he was just kind of putting on.
Speaker 1: But still, you know, I definitely, you know, I'm glad
Speaker 1: I got to share that with him, to let him
Speaker 1: know how much you know, he said, hold on, let's
Speaker 1: let's all give let's all give him a moment the size,
Speaker 1: what's the piece push with bills? Definitely that most people
Speaker 1: that most people I see what grills when they smoke
Speaker 1: or they eat, they take the grills off. You don't.
Speaker 1: You don't take the grill off when you smoke or eat.
Speaker 1: I mean when you when you're on the jo I
Speaker 1: get to cheat. I can cheat, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I got the jewry stoy. So so why why don't
Speaker 1: people do that? What is it messing up or something? Well?
Speaker 1: Think about it. You got you know, your chain right there,
Speaker 1: and you you got to eat. Let's get you know,
Speaker 1: we're getting designing. You ain't gonna dipping in with design exactly.
Speaker 1: And you gotta let me get a coffee, dipping in
Speaker 1: the coffee. Let me get a milkshake, dipping in the milkshade.
Speaker 1: Let me eat a hamburger. Or whatever, let me whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. So it's like you think about you don't
Speaker 1: you wouldn't do that with that. It's grills, it's your teeth.
Speaker 1: But it's still precious metal and jewels, so you know,
Speaker 1: you gotta some of it comes with, especially the smoking.
Speaker 1: It will tarnish the metal, making, you know, change the
Speaker 1: color a little bit. Well, when you buff it out,
Speaker 1: it's brand new, back to new. Uh and in different
Speaker 1: qualities of the gold will get dirty, quicker, same munch
Speaker 1: of diamonds, you know. So when you gotta hire Caret gold,
Speaker 1: you can smoke. It's not a big deal. But you know,
Speaker 1: just it's just properly grill care um Me, I don't
Speaker 1: you know, you know whatever, I don't really tend to
Speaker 1: take my grill out too much. You know. I'm actually
Speaker 1: about to get some I'm about to go permanent on
Speaker 1: there and get some get something new. Obviously those the
Speaker 1: ones that don't come out. Yeah. So, um so, is
Speaker 1: there a difference between regular gold and dental gold, Well,
Speaker 1: the dental gold, I think when they say that they
Speaker 1: mean like the higher quality of the carrotter gold. So
Speaker 1: typically there's like ten care Ago, four teen Carego eighteen
Speaker 1: care ago. Now there's twenty two care ago, sometimes four
Speaker 1: care ago. Bruno Mars made a song about it. So,
Speaker 1: but when you go to buy jewelry, it's typically tin
Speaker 1: carrot spoorteen care or eighteen care, eighteen care being a
Speaker 1: higher care of being the best. But also it's boys
Speaker 1: whipping that gold up. Man. Boys are whipped that gold
Speaker 1: up with silver some other things. You tested, it'll be
Speaker 1: six carried goal or whatever, and they'll dip it to
Speaker 1: look like eighteen caret or dip it. I actually got
Speaker 1: a song called what they tell will called eighteen care
Speaker 1: go no deal because boys will get tin cared and
Speaker 1: then dip it to look like eighteen carret or fourteen
Speaker 1: care ago. And yeah, but yeah, it's uh but I
Speaker 1: think I think, you know, I don't know. I could
Speaker 1: be wrong, but I think when with the dental goal,
Speaker 1: what they mean is a two care or order higher
Speaker 1: higher care, but which is usually I think eighteen care.
Speaker 1: All the dentists I know to use the eighteen care ship.
Speaker 1: We do the goals for all the dentists and is
Speaker 1: eighteen carre. Uh. That's that's actually how Johnny start, how
Speaker 1: he started with the grills, was he was already doing
Speaker 1: drewelry repair, already doing a few custom things like for
Speaker 1: Drewry stores, not for customers, but for Drewry stores. So
Speaker 1: then it got to be the dentists would come to
Speaker 1: a I'm making you know, I need you to make
Speaker 1: these gold teeth for a customer who was getting them permanent.
Speaker 1: And then Johnny like, damn, I could do that on
Speaker 1: my own. What they can come to me? Why are
Speaker 1: they going to you? It can come straight to me,
Speaker 1: see it? And then basically what it was, what was
Speaker 1: the was the first order because because obviously you was
Speaker 1: a wrapper, so that this was your side house of
Speaker 1: the grills, right it was when was the same time,
Speaker 1: you know, and if I first started rapping with the
Speaker 1: Switch House my first mixtape with the Swish I was
Speaker 1: in nineteen nine and nine before that, I was rapping
Speaker 1: with comed there doing talent shows or whatever, just trying
Speaker 1: to make it. But you know, basically what no rap
Speaker 1: career was, you know, we was just you know, it
Speaker 1: was the first order with you and where you He
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, I could make some money
Speaker 1: off of this ship, Like you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like I actually, well, this is what I'm doing. I
Speaker 1: was working for Crime where I worked out of y Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was working for him, and it was at a
Speaker 1: store where we sold switch house tape. It was like
Speaker 1: a hood store like you know, uh, you know, like
Speaker 1: a bodega kind of, but we don't call it that.
Speaker 1: It's just like just a store, corner store where that
Speaker 1: we sold switch House mixed taste. We sold hood t
Speaker 1: shirts that'll just had a name of your hood type
Speaker 1: ship on their north side or whatever, this type of
Speaker 1: sayings type of s on there. Then we've been there
Speaker 1: selling grills, selling gold teeth. But after a while, you know,
Speaker 1: Ship started picking up. It was like, Okay, I gotta,
Speaker 1: I gotta move out of here. I gotta you know,
Speaker 1: I could get money in other ways, but I would
Speaker 1: really Originally I started out working for Crime doing the promotions.
Speaker 1: That's the first time where I actually ran a shop,
Speaker 1: ran a grill shot and then even then it was
Speaker 1: still working for Crime. He paid me a salary and
Speaker 1: I would sell grills and I was a salesman, but
Speaker 1: he did everything. He took everything, and then eventually he
Speaker 1: was like a look, I'm gonna do something for you man.
Speaker 1: I may introduce you the Johnny Man it's you know,
Speaker 1: and he's like all right. I was like bed ship, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he basically gave him. Yeah. But crime had different
Speaker 1: people to crime had somebody in New York that was
Speaker 1: making on me as somebody and uh, you know, but
Speaker 1: Johnny didn't majority because it was local in Houston. But
Speaker 1: he had multiple year he got all kind of stuff
Speaker 1: going on. But it wasn't It wasn't like a celebrity
Speaker 1: who came to you and like and then he was like,
Speaker 1: you know what this is, this is something I want
Speaker 1: to invest my money in. Well, I think it was
Speaker 1: just no, it was more like just the hustle because
Speaker 1: Little John was the first celebrity I did. But before that,
Speaker 1: it was just I was making money, man. I was
Speaker 1: making a kind of money selling grills, and I would
Speaker 1: The hustle is you pass out flies with your number
Speaker 1: on it, with the prices on it, and people will
Speaker 1: see it. You go to all the different cities or
Speaker 1: towns that in the three or four mile RADI three
Speaker 1: or four hour radius, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I would go to Dallas, Santonio, Austin the same places
Speaker 1: I'm going to sell switchhouse tape because keep this in
Speaker 1: mind too. I was selling Switching House mixtapes. Before I
Speaker 1: was rapping on them. I was promoting and distributing. I
Speaker 1: would press up this. I would press up the CDs
Speaker 1: and the tapes, and I also would distribute them and
Speaker 1: go to the stores, fulfill the orders, take them back
Speaker 1: to watch ron clg Dash. That's what T Ferris was
Speaker 1: doing too. We came in at the same time doing
Speaker 1: that before I was wrapping the Switch House. So I
Speaker 1: got to see in Ship the same grill hustle in Houston.
Speaker 1: I can do this out of town, So I go
Speaker 1: to Dallas all these places, put my number down with
Speaker 1: flyers of the prices. They already were traveling to Houston
Speaker 1: or places to get grills, go or to whatever whoever.
Speaker 1: Their local hood didn't but it was it's like it
Speaker 1: ain't a good selection of people to go to. It's
Speaker 1: only like one or two or maybe three in Houston
Speaker 1: at that time they were doing permanent grills. They were like,
Speaker 1: hood didn't like doing that. So it's like, ship, where
Speaker 1: can you go? So you know, doing that it was
Speaker 1: just working. And I would go to Louisiana, same thing. Lafayette,
Speaker 1: like Charles Appulus is on the baton ruge and then
Speaker 1: even in every direction, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it just it got to be a real hustle for me.
Speaker 1: But little John saw it was like he knew who
Speaker 1: I was as I was at that time. I was
Speaker 1: a d J. I was DJ, and I was an artist,
Speaker 1: switch house, a freestyle artist. But I kind of a
Speaker 1: lot of people, you know, I kind of got more
Speaker 1: recognition as a DJ at that time. At that time,
Speaker 1: DJ Paul, the other artists, I think a lot of
Speaker 1: they more respecting me as a DJ because I wasn't
Speaker 1: hound hounding them for versus and all let me act
Speaker 1: like I'm friends with you and all that. It was
Speaker 1: more like I'm a DJ, I play of music. They
Speaker 1: respected me for that because I really will support people
Speaker 1: I funk with. And whereas the fans sunk to me
Speaker 1: as being a rapper, they didn't give a funk about
Speaker 1: me DJ and the fans with me was being a rapper,
Speaker 1: but the the other artists, they sucked me as being
Speaker 1: a more DJ. So it was a lot of other
Speaker 1: the artists I sunk with, I sunk with t I
Speaker 1: real tough, real heavy, you know, even as I was
Speaker 1: rapping with the switch house and you know, you know
Speaker 1: when twenty Folks came out and you all around then,
Speaker 1: But it was more as me being a DJ and
Speaker 1: then as an artist thing came it was like, oh, ship,
Speaker 1: you rapped. Two ain't know you wrapped. And then it
Speaker 1: also let me just you know, it just it worked
Speaker 1: for me because I saw how people You know, man,
Speaker 1: everybody is a rapper or a DJ or a producer. Everybody,
Speaker 1: so everybody who's seen any type of success, and there's
Speaker 1: all types of different levels. You get everybody coming up
Speaker 1: to you, Hey, I want to be where you at?
Speaker 1: How can I be there? Can you? How can you
Speaker 1: put me on? Put me on? Put me on, put
Speaker 1: me on? So ship this man, I would just see
Speaker 1: how you would get turned off shut out. As I'm
Speaker 1: a rapper, they put me on, put me on, and
Speaker 1: they on want the funk with you? But I'm a DJ.
Speaker 1: Oh you Hey, I'm ana DJ. I can play of music.
Speaker 1: Then they oh you can play my music, let me
Speaker 1: with you. Ship. It just was like reverse psychology. And
Speaker 1: then when they when they when they would find out
Speaker 1: that I wrapped, it would be damn, you ain't even
Speaker 1: tell me you wrap. But it would be like yeah,
Speaker 1: because I ain't trying to put you out like that
Speaker 1: where you ain't want to suck with me no more,
Speaker 1: because you know, you see how that goes. It worked
Speaker 1: for me, you know what I'm saying. I just I
Speaker 1: let that. I let my other side hustles, you know, grow,
Speaker 1: so they when I had an opportunity for me to
Speaker 1: be an artist or a rapper, you know, I had
Speaker 1: all kind of money wise monetarily, I had my money,
Speaker 1: so I didn't rely on record sales. My network was
Speaker 1: already strong because I was already distributing in other people music,
Speaker 1: and I was a salesman selling grills and selling music,
Speaker 1: so I knew what, you know, just sell my own music.
Speaker 1: Being an artists with the kind of took I knew
Speaker 1: being a salesman who distributed to Switchhouse tapes. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: can tell which, you know with the fans, they work
Speaker 1: with this artist or that artist, so they like when
Speaker 1: you say this or that and then right right, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I could adjust, like okay, they like when I do that.
Speaker 1: Partners on the whole Jury Store, just the grill part,
Speaker 1: all of it, all of it your jury store. We're
Speaker 1: actually we were branching out. We're about to branch off.
Speaker 1: We still got the Sharpstown store of course, got the
Speaker 1: new and uh C too for rich in Houston, the
Speaker 1: big one, the two story. He Johnny got his own.
Speaker 1: He Johnny went from doing jury repair in his garage
Speaker 1: to selling grills in the mall to having his own mall. Man.
Speaker 1: So you know, man, you know it's it's definitely how
Speaker 1: does the want to but somebody wanted to start getting
Speaker 1: the jury business? How do you how do you even begint?
Speaker 1: This is why I love Johnny bro He changed my
Speaker 1: life as beat me being a hustler. I can sell anything,
Speaker 1: I can hustle anything. So when you got that type
Speaker 1: of skill, you know, how can you do that without
Speaker 1: going to jail? How can you do that it with integrity,
Speaker 1: to respect when you're not selling something this whack of
Speaker 1: corny or how can you do that and make a
Speaker 1: career out of me? How can you do that? You know?
Speaker 1: Just all that. So for me it was a whole
Speaker 1: lot of you know, I love grills, I want grills,
Speaker 1: so I want to sell them. Then I can make
Speaker 1: a lot of money off of this because a lot
Speaker 1: of people at the time who was selling grills were
Speaker 1: charging too much money. Or we're doing bad business where
Speaker 1: they take your money and your grill mold, but you
Speaker 1: wouldn't get your grill and you got a hound them
Speaker 1: for their grill, you know. So I just saw myself
Speaker 1: as men, if I can do a good business, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna win, all right. And Johnny gave me that opportunity.
Speaker 1: That that's what Johnny started off as he would give wholesale.
Speaker 1: Did you did you? Did you fund him first? How
Speaker 1: did he like? How did like like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, no, no, he's done it. It was
Speaker 1: all Johnny. Okay. So me, I would when I'm working
Speaker 1: for crime, doing grills, doing selling grill modes whatever, doing
Speaker 1: anything I'm doing crime, I would be like the driver
Speaker 1: drop off the mode. So I'm at Johnny's dropping off
Speaker 1: the most picking up orders things like that. I'd be
Speaker 1: in there. It was a small shop, and every time
Speaker 1: I ever went in there, he would always be getting
Speaker 1: into somebody. He got this thick Vetnamese accent and then't
Speaker 1: be somebody who is from the hood of any race.
Speaker 1: There was from some type of hood so they had
Speaker 1: a hood accent, or there was from out of state.
Speaker 1: So he didn't know what the fun they were saying
Speaker 1: that what he was saying, and it would just be
Speaker 1: a translation. No, no, he's saying, it's this, No, no, Johnny,
Speaker 1: he wants this, no this, And then you know, after that,
Speaker 1: eventually it got to be a while I'm in there
Speaker 1: dropping off grill most ship people say you like outside,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you. I'm a rapper too, and he's like,
Speaker 1: you're a rapper and you sell grills whatever, and I'm like, yeah, well,
Speaker 1: you know what whatever, And then it got to be
Speaker 1: a ship. We can do this together, and we're way
Speaker 1: stronger together. And Johnny always from the jump Johnny got
Speaker 1: a part of my music too, just like I got
Speaker 1: a part of the Jews. Johnny told me from the
Speaker 1: jump Man, Hey, look the same way you love JR.
Speaker 1: That's how I love music. I can't make no music.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to make music, but I want
Speaker 1: to be a part somehow, whether it's doing concerts, you know,
Speaker 1: just investing something. I want to be I want to
Speaker 1: be a part. So that's why we always had kind
Speaker 1: of messed the way we have the juror is this
Speaker 1: thing I do the marketing, I do things like that
Speaker 1: in terms of the marketing and outreach. Uh. Big part
Speaker 1: of what I do. Yeah, A big part of what
Speaker 1: I do is customer service. When people and there's problems.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's when people don't really call me unless
Speaker 1: they got a problem and they the problem because we're
Speaker 1: gonna spoop it over. That's all I think, too, is it?
Speaker 1: You know, customer services number one to us. But the
Speaker 1: business run itself. He running so I'm able to do
Speaker 1: my music and collect the check at the same time,
Speaker 1: cross promote and everything I do. But it just it
Speaker 1: just was like, why why not we got a team up,
Speaker 1: Let's do this together. And me, I'm a very loyal person,
Speaker 1: so I'm not the type to let me do this
Speaker 1: on my own without you to x you out so
Speaker 1: that I can make a little bit more money. I'm
Speaker 1: more of a let's build this up together. You got kids,
Speaker 1: I got kids, will pass this on to our kids together.
Speaker 1: You know I'm more of a builder than I am
Speaker 1: over let me go do it on my own. No man, stop,
Speaker 1: even you got your girls, little girls like you get
Speaker 1: those girls, Charlie Hey. But this is why, this is
Speaker 1: why I love Journey because now but it might be
Speaker 1: you're looking good, but this is why I love Johnny
Speaker 1: because the same opportunity he gave me to go hustle
Speaker 1: and make a living and make money off of this man.
Speaker 1: He get that to We got thousands of wholesale clients
Speaker 1: around the world, so that you know, instead of him
Speaker 1: franchising off and having a Johnny Danger Company in every city,
Speaker 1: there's like ten Johnny Dann company people who are getting
Speaker 1: their wholesale from us, but they're their own business. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I appreciate that he empowered you to be your own hustle,
Speaker 1: to to build your own business for your kids. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying that That's why I love Johnny
Speaker 1: because he get an opportunity. I've seen him time and
Speaker 1: time and time again, get that opportunity to what's the
Speaker 1: first thing approachon to do if they want to get
Speaker 1: into the well? I mean, because you had I would
Speaker 1: say this, No matter what, it's very easy to get
Speaker 1: tempted to run off of people money or charge them
Speaker 1: more and get them. Uh, they paid ten thousand, but
Speaker 1: let me act like they paid nine eight because I
Speaker 1: need some new rooms or something, you know. So I
Speaker 1: think good business and customer service is key a one
Speaker 1: key to long term business. Now, if you want to
Speaker 1: go out and hit licks come up real quick. That's
Speaker 1: a completely different business structure. You know. My business advice
Speaker 1: I can give you is for long term careers or
Speaker 1: something you can pass on to your kids and make
Speaker 1: millions of dollars off. Yeah, if you want to make
Speaker 1: a couple of thousand real quick and go here licks
Speaker 1: and burn people on their orders. But you want to
Speaker 1: make some millions, yeah, you can't do that type of ship.
Speaker 1: But that's what man. You know we're talking though. If
Speaker 1: you want to sell jury, the best advice I would
Speaker 1: get to you if you like, man, go talk to Johnny.
Speaker 1: We gotta. We have a whole department. This a wholesale department.
Speaker 1: This is just as big as the gold casting or
Speaker 1: diamond setting, or shipping or any other department we have those.
Speaker 1: That department is huge, man, And that's also why we're
Speaker 1: able to sell four hundred grills a day. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy to be to be able to do
Speaker 1: this much. But it's not because they you know, we
Speaker 1: got you. You know, we got in a movie called
Speaker 1: um you hope they served Ben Hell? Oh yeah, my
Speaker 1: boy Tuckle Max. So how the hell are you getting
Speaker 1: a movie like that man. Uh it's a yeah, man,
Speaker 1: it's a you know, I'm not that good at active,
Speaker 1: but I think that might be where it started. They
Speaker 1: put me in the in the movies that they not
Speaker 1: the not the mainstream successes, but that was they didn't
Speaker 1: make some money off of that. It's based off a book.
Speaker 1: My boy. It's a real person named Tuckle Max. He
Speaker 1: got a book. It was on the New York Times
Speaker 1: best seller for like teen years something crazy, like I
Speaker 1: think he might have broke a record or something. He was.
Speaker 1: But the book is like a story he wrote which
Speaker 1: is basically like adventures of getting sucked up and and
Speaker 1: fucking girls and just reckly ship three girls in one
Speaker 1: night and I ain't wear I got so drunk and
Speaker 1: I threw a ball over the floor here and there.
Speaker 1: Oh ay, one time I had to ship in. This
Speaker 1: girl gave me head while I was shooting, like it's
Speaker 1: like this, yeah, but it's all true stories and uh,
Speaker 1: you know of him and I had asked me. I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, bro, these all can't be your stories.
Speaker 1: They gotta be like you and like four or your homeboys,
Speaker 1: and you all put them together with he like, well,
Speaker 1: it's just me. But anyway, I made him through some
Speaker 1: of the else When the first time I went to
Speaker 1: iraq Um with the U s O, I went with
Speaker 1: my boy Jamie Kennedy and Stu Stone and Jamie Kennedy,
Speaker 1: you know, the actor comedian. He had a book out
Speaker 1: and uh, Tucker Max, Uh, he's the one who wrote it.
Speaker 1: He like CO wrote it, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So anyway, I was he was talking to him and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, Ship, hey, my boy, Tucker Max, say
Speaker 1: what's up? Man? You know he could helped CO wrote
Speaker 1: my book. And I'm like, oh, Ship, tell him myself.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to write a book too. Anyway, he wrote
Speaker 1: a bunch of he co he helped Tiffany Hadds right
Speaker 1: with her book. You know, I don't you know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't in on their writing problem how they do it,
Speaker 1: but a lot of times when they write books like that,
Speaker 1: you like do an interview and then it to be
Speaker 1: kind of transcribed kind of or whatever. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but whatever. Anyway, but if you look on the book
Speaker 1: The Last Black Unicorns, like Tivy hadas Tucker Max, I'm like, oh, Ship,
Speaker 1: my boy, I've seen I've seen that. I was wired
Speaker 1: up when I've seen that. But yeah, he that's how
Speaker 1: I made him. And I'm like, damn. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wrote a book is on the New York Time
Speaker 1: best seller but you know he like co wrote like
Speaker 1: a bunch of other books. So we got to be cool.
Speaker 1: And he's like, hey, they're gonna and I talk. I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, bro, if they I can't act for ship.
Speaker 1: I ain't been him with like three or four movies,
Speaker 1: but say, man, if you make the because he said
Speaker 1: they're gonna make a movie out of the book, A
Speaker 1: bro put me in the movie. Man, I try to
Speaker 1: get in that movie just because I'm trying to get
Speaker 1: a movie credit. So that's how that's how it basically happened.
Speaker 1: He put me in the movie. He basically wrote me
Speaker 1: in the movie, which was like a parody of myself,
Speaker 1: kind of like my you know, my name in the
Speaker 1: movie was Grillionaire. So but yeah, shout to my boy.
Speaker 1: What's up now? Now you got a real you got
Speaker 1: a real you married a real system. You ain't married
Speaker 1: like a faith black girl, real real black you have?
Speaker 1: What has been like like that? Because what does that
Speaker 1: life have been? Because obviously we know you're white and
Speaker 1: you married a black girl? Like, has that been pluses
Speaker 1: for you? Have that? Have people critiqued you for it? Like?
Speaker 1: You know, different people have different perspectives. You know, it's
Speaker 1: she's my dream woman. Anything now but anything I can
Speaker 1: ask for or could want and a partners, you know,
Speaker 1: see that for me, So I don't want nothing else.
Speaker 1: I would now. I never you know, I never been
Speaker 1: married and nobody else or nothing else. So I like that.
Speaker 1: So I never even you know, been this is she
Speaker 1: really the first serious, serious relationship that I had ever
Speaker 1: been in a long long term like that. Even we
Speaker 1: got married on our two year anniversaries. So should I
Speaker 1: don't know for me, you know, we get it different ways.
Speaker 1: Of course. If you look at the comments on the
Speaker 1: post or something, you'll see all kind of ships sometimes.
Speaker 1: But I think, you know, if you're racist, then you're
Speaker 1: gonna find some racist out of it or whatever. You know,
Speaker 1: there's there's definitely people on both sides who got a
Speaker 1: problem with it, you know what I'm saying or whatever,
Speaker 1: But hey, man, I wish them the best. I hope
Speaker 1: they'd be happy. You know, I'm I'm happy, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm proud to be married to. It is is what
Speaker 1: I wanted as being and my parents with divorce, and
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I wanted, Man, I want
Speaker 1: to be married ship. I'm not trying to be like
Speaker 1: rapper married where I'm married but I'm working on the side,
Speaker 1: or or just just or just just entertainer married where
Speaker 1: you don't tell nobody married, you know, just you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm because it even you know, as a child growing up.
Speaker 1: If I want to think about what the rappers, you know,
Speaker 1: from being whatever age I was when I first heard
Speaker 1: hip hop? What what? What a you know? Who's married?
Speaker 1: Who talks about being married, who's proud to be married?
Speaker 1: Or any of that? You don't hear none of that.
Speaker 1: The only thing you see is scandal side bitches, baby
Speaker 1: Mama's Dog and girls out love songs broken. You know, Hey,
Speaker 1: that's difference the love spectrum of the interactive spect you
Speaker 1: know whatever. It's big, but you don't hear too much
Speaker 1: of y'all married and you know ship like that or
Speaker 1: you know whatever, or just see people talking about it
Speaker 1: or all you'd be like, they mightn't even know he's
Speaker 1: married to. You find out somebody who got divorced, you know,
Speaker 1: got divorce. I don't even know they're married, Ship, but
Speaker 1: you know, so for me, it was like who do
Speaker 1: I look to as a role model to be you know,
Speaker 1: to be married and entertainment or be a rapper that's
Speaker 1: married or inter racial. I never really looked at any
Speaker 1: of it like any of that. But who do I
Speaker 1: look to for just to be a marriage role model?
Speaker 1: Especially in rap music? You know what I'm saying. Like Ship,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot at the time. Now he's gotten
Speaker 1: to be more, you know what I'm saying, So I
Speaker 1: you know, it's a brotherhood all the other married rappers,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and should be it's cool,
Speaker 1: you know' parenting to now people more proud to talk
Speaker 1: about being parents for sure. Man, It's something that it
Speaker 1: goes a long way in us a lot of us,
Speaker 1: you know, like growing up having bad experiences, or coming
Speaker 1: from a broken home, or not having a father, having
Speaker 1: a father addicted the drugs, like you know, all of
Speaker 1: the things. Was like, Okay, who do I look to,
Speaker 1: you know, as a role model and rap as well?
Speaker 1: Like Ship? You know, it's something that to be proud
Speaker 1: of being a father and all of these things to
Speaker 1: be married, it's something to be proud of. To be
Speaker 1: a father, something to be proud of. So it's I
Speaker 1: try to do, you know. It's what I wanted. It's
Speaker 1: my dream. I wanted to be married, had kids and
Speaker 1: be happy with my dream like a motherfucker. Now you
Speaker 1: went on tour with tchech mind Yeah, my boy like
Speaker 1: and l Bill as well. Yeah, yeah, how was that
Speaker 1: it was? We actually toured twice once. We toured in
Speaker 1: like two thousand and three, but it was just like,
Speaker 1: I think four or five shows. It wasn't a whole
Speaker 1: lot fourth probably the labels. Yeah, yeah, well maybe like
Speaker 1: at the beginning to being even then it was a
Speaker 1: weird experience showing up to the first show. It was
Speaker 1: I think it was in job. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it was the first one of the first shows. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. I remember we did a show in Joplin, Missouri,
Speaker 1: and it was like we should be pull up and
Speaker 1: there's people waiting there, but they got on black trench
Speaker 1: coats as hot as they're gonna black trench coats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they got their face painted, and we like, man, what's
Speaker 1: going on? It sat We wasn't something we wasn't used
Speaker 1: to when we go into Yeah we like technicians. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it was something he wasn't We didn't know what
Speaker 1: to expect, and it was it was a dope interaction
Speaker 1: to see the combination of his fans and my fans,
Speaker 1: you know, because you can see some people were there
Speaker 1: for me, some people there for him, some of there
Speaker 1: for both. But then for sure, it was a dope
Speaker 1: experience that first time we did the first shows and
Speaker 1: that was my first interaction with juggalos like that, and
Speaker 1: it was dope, just saying, you know, I thought that
Speaker 1: was so dope to have fans that, especially in hip
Speaker 1: hop broke because being a fan, it's not cool. You
Speaker 1: can't be no fan you're Dick Rider. They ain't no
Speaker 1: fan as you're Dick Rider. Yes, I haven't been to
Speaker 1: the crazy, but it was it was It's dope to
Speaker 1: me to see people that are proud to be a
Speaker 1: fan of you and they and if you don't like it,
Speaker 1: they're ready to fight you. That's like what That's how
Speaker 1: Zero is to me. His fan base. Zero has my
Speaker 1: boy Zero from Houston. He got a fan base where
Speaker 1: if his fans, if you talk bad about Zero, you say, man,
Speaker 1: they're gonna fight you right there on the spot when
Speaker 1: you're tripping. So you know this. They don't paint their faces,
Speaker 1: but they yeah, and so you know, I was, you know,
Speaker 1: happy to see that for show when our experience that,
Speaker 1: and that was the first time. In the second time
Speaker 1: we went on tour, it was like a sixty city show,
Speaker 1: sixty day sisty city tour. It was crazy like sisty
Speaker 1: shows back back to that. Yeah, but it taught me
Speaker 1: a grind like that, Like damn okay, I see the
Speaker 1: long time run every estate. He's killing man. He pulled
Speaker 1: up in the may back when we went to when
Speaker 1: we went to Kansas City, and we didn't always say
Speaker 1: I want to bring you bout my compounds studio. You
Speaker 1: pull up in the may back, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They pull up to the multi acre compound and we
Speaker 1: get buzzed in by security and you see the back
Speaker 1: warehouse where they got there hundred or different yeah, different
Speaker 1: sets from show sets like they you know, you go
Speaker 1: to the other side where you see the warehouse with
Speaker 1: all of their merch over the years, everything from socks
Speaker 1: to Jersey's T shirts. It's like then then you see
Speaker 1: the other side where they got the studio, they got
Speaker 1: the paperwork everything. It's like, damn, that's the real independent.
Speaker 1: That's the dream right there, the way they got everything.
Speaker 1: It's just it's very let's make some he he be
Speaker 1: wrapping his ass off to be boy you collaborative Silicone
Speaker 1: Valley based company jump Shot Media to create a battle
Speaker 1: Wrap game. Battle Wrap Is that still lit? I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's going, if it's still active right now.
Speaker 1: I think gets another one. I've seen another one that
Speaker 1: Bernard did. Um, but yeah, it was kind of dope.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, this is the early stages
Speaker 1: of interactive apps type, you know, interactive type of things
Speaker 1: like that. But it's just dope to be a part
Speaker 1: of that. You know, growing up in Houston, I wasn't
Speaker 1: a part of the battle rap scenes. So it was
Speaker 1: like it was something that I was Eventually there's gonna
Speaker 1: be like FaceTime Texas. And you know, some of it though,
Speaker 1: is the doing it, because the in the battle rap,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a performance. Yeah, that face to face
Speaker 1: disrespect in your face in front of all your people,
Speaker 1: that's you know some of that is that because if
Speaker 1: you if I'm just in my room with all my homies.
Speaker 1: You know you're holding your nuts a lot. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: really holding you face to face. It's like you might
Speaker 1: steal off only right now. So you know everybody, you
Speaker 1: gotta be ready for all of that, these people with anybody,
Speaker 1: you know. But that'd be what that battle rap is
Speaker 1: all about. But that also is why I never really
Speaker 1: personally got into that lane, because man, somebody talk about
Speaker 1: me like that. Man, I'm gonna be ready to fight.
Speaker 1: I'm saying of it. Of watching it and you shout
Speaker 1: out to my boy to Jack arrest in piece to jacko. Man,
Speaker 1: he really got me on too watching Have you seen
Speaker 1: this battle buon up battles on YouTube? Have you've seen
Speaker 1: this battle You've seen this bat all he went in. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we were that's my that's my boy. We actually did,
Speaker 1: uh we man, big rest in peace man, we uh
Speaker 1: we we actually did. We went on tour to Sweden.
Speaker 1: We did a festival over there and it was a
Speaker 1: big it was a battle rap going on, like a
Speaker 1: battle rap concert going on. It was like fifteen countries
Speaker 1: here and keep be all over the world. I gotta come,
Speaker 1: I gotta sw Yeah. But that was my first time
Speaker 1: being at a battle rap live in person and seeing
Speaker 1: all of it, meeting these artists, seeing how they see
Speaker 1: the nigas that try to jump asap Rocky did you,
Speaker 1: I don't know it. It was a few years ago
Speaker 1: when we was there. I thought about that that when
Speaker 1: I've seen it, I'm like, damn, I wanted it. Was
Speaker 1: they there on it, but they looked like they was
Speaker 1: a little younger niggas yesterday. The two niggas, two niggas. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I see them today back as the bars Kiden. I said,
Speaker 1: niggas trying to jump that rocket. That in my mind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but um, you're listening to Paul Wall. We started this
Speaker 1: to pick up our legends and tell people to their
Speaker 1: face that you know your grace and so many people
Speaker 1: are and our culture that they we don't salute our culture.
Speaker 1: And this is what we want to change. You want
Speaker 1: to change the narrative of that. We started drink Champs
Speaker 1: in order for us to give people their flowers. Why
Speaker 1: they can smell them. They thought so when they could
Speaker 1: tell them they drinks where they can drink them, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And they smoked while they could
Speaker 1: smoke up, you know what I'm saying. And we want
Speaker 1: to tell you, man, you know you've been out here.
Speaker 1: You know, represent the hip hop in the right way,
Speaker 1: playing the game in the right way. And we want
Speaker 1: to tell you we appreciate you. We want to tell
Speaker 1: you salute. We want to tell you, man, keep doing
Speaker 1: your thing. I want to tell you I'm ordering a
Speaker 1: new grill, my son and grill and I'm all all
Speaker 1: three of my sons are grill and um. But man,
Speaker 1: we want to tell you, thank you, Man, I appreciate you. Man.
Speaker 1: It's just drink Champs and man, give your flowers right now.
Speaker 1: Hey man, anybody get anybody called Tony Manning and get
Speaker 1: a grill with a hashtag on whatever, telling drink Chance,
Speaker 1: giving that you drink Chance discount. Man will give you
Speaker 1: attempts in off top. We'll take a picture in the
Speaker 1: drop