WEBVTT - Model Behavior... 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:04.880 Hi. I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:11.840 you a Charlotte? Hi? Hi, everyone, We're back. This is 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:14.640 Are You a Charlotte? And we are now looking and 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.440 at season one, episode two. It's called Models and Mortals. 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:24.119 Oh my goodness, me, I watched this last night. I'm 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.360 still in shock. I have more questions than I have answers. 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:33.080 There's a lot to dig into here. I honestly just 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.479 don't even really, I really am not sure what to 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:39.680 say about. This episode is super fascinating, though, So let 0:00:39.680 --> 0:00:42.239 me just kind of go back in time a little bit. 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:47.400 I Charlotte only has one scene in this episode, and 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.519 it's a really fun and funny scene that I do 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:53.000 have a lot of memories about. And someone asked me, oh, 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:55.080 did you remember that you only had one scene? And 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.480 I didn't remember. And part of the reason that I 0:00:57.520 --> 0:01:01.120 didn't remember is that one of the things, and I 0:01:01.160 --> 0:01:04.040 don't really know if we're the only show who does those, 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:06.559 we probably aren't. But one of the interesting things about 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.480 how we film, and this is still true to this 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:12.880 day on and just like that, is that we crossboard 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:16.360 two episodes at a time, so we're always filming two 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:20.000 episodes simultaneously. And part of the reason for that is 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.399 that locations in New York City are so expensive. So 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.240 let's say you get a restaurant for the day. That 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.080 takes you know, a lot of money. You have to 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:29.479 get into all kinds of arrangements. You have to arrange 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:34.000 with the Mayor's Office of Location Management for parking and 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.960 for all the trucks, and it's a whole big to do, right, So, 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:40.520 if you get a location, you would divide it up, 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:42.479 Like let's say you got a restaurant, you might film 0:01:42.520 --> 0:01:44.400 in front of the restaurant, and then you might also 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:47.840 film a different scene from a different episode inside the restaurant, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:53.040 So you know, you're kind of cross purposing those actual locations. 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:57.040 So when you're filming, you're filming two episodes at once. Now, 0:01:57.520 --> 0:02:00.360 sometimes it gets out of hand, Like I remember one time, 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:05.040 maybe season three of Sex and the City. Towards the end, 0:02:05.160 --> 0:02:08.880 we had all these unfinished scenes and we had I 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.960 think four units filming, and we had to make T shirts, 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.400 different colored T shirts for the different crews on the 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:17.320 different units and all the actors. We just had to 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.000 run from soundstage to soundstage to do the different things 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:21.800 that we needed to do to finish the episode like 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:24.079 that was crazy times, and then just his past year 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:25.680 on and just like that. I think there was a 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:28.919 time when the call sheet had six different episodes listed 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.160 for Charlotte of things that I had to finish. So 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.520 this particular episode, I have a different storyline for the 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.760 next episode that I was also doing, so it's not 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.120 like I was just sitting around the whole time. But 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:42.160 I also didn't really remember that I only had the 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:45.680 one episode and my thoughts on that, which, you know, 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:47.440 I don't know if we're ever going to find out, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:52.600 you guys, why they tried to demote me, As one 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:55.160 of our current writers said, because you know, the funny 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:57.320 thing about the reaction, I mean, there's many funny things 0:02:57.320 --> 0:02:59.880 about the reaction to the first two podcasts. One is 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:02.720 that a lot of my closest friends don't even know 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.000 the stories that I told you guys. They're like, what 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:07.800 you know? And some of our current you know, very 0:03:07.880 --> 0:03:11.960 beloved crew members and writers and directors and everybody don't 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.320 know that story. So everyone's just like, why what happened? 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.400 What happened? I don't know if we'll ever know. I 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.240 really don't know. I don't know the answer to it, 0:03:20.680 --> 0:03:23.160 I feel when I look back on it now from 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:28.440 the perspective of twenty seven years later or whatever, having 0:03:28.520 --> 0:03:32.240 read Candace's book, which was based on Candace's column, And 0:03:32.280 --> 0:03:35.120 the thing that's important for this particular episode to remember 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.840 is that Candace's column in The Observer called Sex and 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:43.520 the City was I believe, based in true stories that 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:47.320 she was hearing and or participating in, but also hearing 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.920 around town that were true stories, right, So she wouldn't 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.640 use the names. She might imply who they were, so 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.080 that if you were, like you know, ran in this 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.280 circle of friends in New York, you might know who 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.360 the stories were, but you might also not know and 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:05.960 just you know, read it for some interesting like social archaeology. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.640 I guess maybe I'm going to try not to say 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:11.040 like so much, because I did see the comment from 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.200 one of our listeners that I say like too much. 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:17.200 So I just said, like, I'm really sorry. I'm going 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:20.039 to do my best. It's not going to be easy 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:22.640 because I'm just sitting here by myself yaking, okay, but 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:26.160 thank you for being with me and understanding. So Candace 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:28.840 is writing this column in the nineties in New York 0:04:28.880 --> 0:04:33.000 City and she is writing things she's hearing happened, or 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.400 was there for when they happened, or both or neither, 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:39.360 I guess, but you know, that's the genesis of all 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:42.840 of this. So when I watched this episode, episode two, 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:45.839 which was the first episode we filmed once the show 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:51.799 had been picked up, I'm assuming that this really insane 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:59.880 storyline about this character that Gabriel Mock plays Barkley film 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:03.719 these models. I'm just going to go with the fact 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:06.920 that this is something Candice heard about that happened and 0:05:07.040 --> 0:05:09.559 put in her column and thus ended up in her book, 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:12.320 and thus ended up in our show because Darren Starr 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:15.720 optioned her book, Sex and the City. So that's what 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:18.000 I'm going to go with. I'm going to go with 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.640 the fact that they didn't just make this up or 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:24.200 whatever for the show. I'm not sure because at this 0:05:24.320 --> 0:05:28.120 point also the important thing to remember for me is 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:32.120 that the writers were all in Los Angeles. They did 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.480 not come We did not know them very unlike how 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.120 the show went on to develop, where the writers were 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:40.359 with us every day. The writers were part of our lives. 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:42.400 They were very close friends of ours, still are a 0:05:42.440 --> 0:05:44.960 very close friend of ours. You're going to be meeting 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.600 them along the way. They're wonderful, these particular group of writers. 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.200 Some of them I would not know them if I 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:52.320 saw them. If I ran into them and they told 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:54.279 me I wrote an episode of Sex and City for 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:56.320 the first season, I would just say, like, okay, I 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:58.279 would believe them, because I don't know what they look like. 0:05:58.760 --> 0:06:04.240 We were in Los Angeles after the pilot, Darren, myself, 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.280 and then strangely Sarah Jessica. This is a funny story. 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.279 I was renting a house at the time in a 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.400 little canyon in the west side of Los Angeles, not 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:20.159 a particularly popular canyon, and one day I had gotten 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.120 a puppy and I was walking down the street and 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.200 we are in the waiting period of waiting to hear 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:27.800 if HBO was going to pick the show up, and 0:06:27.839 --> 0:06:31.400 they had I feel like they had eighteen months to 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.880 decide something like that, maybe just a year. Whatever. It 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.960 was felt like eternity. And I would call my poor 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.560 manager Dave every day and be like, did you hear anything, 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.680 did you hear anything? Did you hear anything? And then 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:44.360 I would call my lawyer Jason, and I would say 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:46.839 did you hear anything? Did you hear anything? And It 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:48.760 just went on and on and on the waiting, and 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:50.839 sometimes I think I would call Darren Starr say like, 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:55.000 did you hear anything? I wasn't close enough to Sara 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:56.919 Jessica at this point to have her number to be 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.000 calling a buggy herm, which is probably a good thing. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:01.240 But one day walking down the street in this little 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:03.320 neighborhood that I've rented a house in, and I'm walking 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.919 my new puppy, and who drives down this empty street 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:10.720 with Sara Jusica Parker in a rented Lexus And I'm like, hey, 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:13.680 you know what I mean? And she's like, Hi, what 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:15.080 are you doing here? And I said, I just rented 0:07:15.080 --> 0:07:16.680 the house over here. What are you doing here? And 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.040 she said, oh, Matthew's here doing a movie, so I'm 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:21.960 here with him while he's filming this movie. And I said, 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:25.360 did you hear anything? She was like no, and she 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.880 didn't seem she didn't seem as anxious about it as 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.040 I was. And I was like, what do you think 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:33.480 is happening? You know what was going on? And she goes, oh, 0:07:33.600 --> 0:07:36.640 I don't know, you know, I don't know. And I said, 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:38.680 what don't you wanted to be picked up? And she 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.720 said something like yeah, but I could tell she was 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.520 just trying to please me, you know what I mean. 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:46.600 I thought, oh, no, Sara Jusica doesn't want to do it. 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.480 I don't know. And I do think now, you know, 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:51.880 knowing her all these many, many years, that this was 0:07:52.000 --> 0:07:56.720 back to her kind of reticence to being committed to 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.800 a show. Because, as I told you before, we did 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.200 have these massive, in your long contracts, which is the 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.760 norm for any kind of pilot. So for her, she'd 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:08.680 been kind of just this, you know, journeyman actress in 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.080 a way, like doing Broadway, you know, doing movies like 0:08:12.640 --> 0:08:15.400 Honeymoon in Vegas. Most actors don't really want to be 0:08:15.440 --> 0:08:18.920 committed one to one job forever. So anyway, Sarah Jessica, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:22.440 I believe her nervousness was do I really want to 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.680 be committed? Do I want to be tied down? It 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.920 wasn't something that most actors like you didn't start to 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:29.880 be an actor because you wanted to do one job 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.600 for thirty years. That just wasn't even really a possibility. 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.840 And obviously for us has turned into this incredible opportunity. 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:40.400 But never, never, never, never, never, never would we have 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:43.880 thought of that at the time, I mean never, never, 0:08:44.320 --> 0:08:47.720 Like we were just wanting to be picked up for thirteen episodes. 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:50.400 That was our dream. Like I remember Darren and I 0:08:50.440 --> 0:08:52.000 when we did get picked up, we used to make 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.720 jokes about how maybe one day we could get nominated 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:58.079 for a Cable Ace Award. That was the highest our 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:00.880 hopes were. There's this thing there gone they were called 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.000 the Cable Ace Awards. They were just for shows on 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.680 cable because at that point, no cable show had ever 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.320 been nominated for an Emmy, much less one in Emmy. 0:09:09.559 --> 0:09:11.959 So it wasn't even in our mind that that could happen. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:14.800 But obviously it did later on happen, which is a miracle. 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.680 There's so many miracles involved in our show. Anyway, back 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:22.160 to this episode. So this episode to me is super 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:25.080 fascinating for so many different reasons. So we have a 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:29.760 different DP at this point. Her name is Maurice Albert Ti. 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:31.800 She's French, and I used to butcher her name all 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:34.040 the time, and for any French people, I'm really sorry 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:37.400 if I have butchered it again. But she was incredible, 0:09:37.720 --> 0:09:40.760 and we also have this really interesting director, Alison McClain. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:46.840 Now what I remember of the first season Okay, wait, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.400 I didn't get to the point that they did finally 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:51.319 pick us up obviously. I guess that's obvious. So maybe 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:54.120 like a year of waiting and then we get picked 0:09:54.160 --> 0:10:07.520 up finally. I also think, and when I watched this 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:11.720 episode two, I really really seriously think this that you know, 0:10:12.520 --> 0:10:16.080 it was a really different, different time in our culture, 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:21.560 certainly in our entertainment landscape. HBO at that point was 0:10:21.640 --> 0:10:25.720 known for having boxing. Yes, boxing, that was their claim 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:29.120 to fame, boxing and movies, right. That was why you 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:32.560 paid the hefty price to have HBO cable pay cable 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:35.280 on your television at home, because no one had iPads 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:38.480 because they weren't invented. It's crazy to think about, you guys. Crazy. Okay. 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:43.040 So they had had a show called dream On on HBO, 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:49.319 and on dream On every episode a different actress would 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.679 show her breasts. That was just part of the show 0:10:53.160 --> 0:10:57.760 and it was theoretically to please the men who were 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.400 watching HBO to watch the boxing. I believe, I mean, 0:11:01.600 --> 0:11:03.319 no one ever said these words to me, but this 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:05.160 is what I believe to be true. So I think 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.640 when we came along, one of the things that I 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.400 think is super interesting to think about for the first season. 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.960 Nothing had aired yet at this point, and back in 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.400 the olden days, we used to put a show on 0:11:17.440 --> 0:11:20.080 the air and see the reaction as it went. Like 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.080 if you were on, say, for instance, a multi camera show, 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.440 you would start filming, they would come on the air, 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:28.600 you'd still be filming, right, so you could kind of 0:11:30.480 --> 0:11:33.000 change and shift based on the audience reaction to things. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:37.960 Back when we started, we filmed the whole thirteen without 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.560 anything ever being on the air, which was really unusual 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.439 at the time. Now with streaming, people do it all 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:44.640 the time. But no one knew what we were doing. 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:47.360 We didn't really know what we were doing. I remember 0:11:47.440 --> 0:11:51.240 that someone made, probably production I guess, made a hat 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:54.120 for us to start. It was like a welcome, you know, 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.400 a welcome you get like swag right in the beginning, 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:59.480 and it said sex on the front of the baseball cap. 0:12:00.120 --> 0:12:03.320 Back of the baseball cap it said and the city. Now. 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:07.920 I wore this hat all over Manhattan. Okay. So I 0:12:07.960 --> 0:12:11.280 remember being into Starbucks one time with his sex hat on, 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:14.200 and some man is ahead of me in line and 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:17.640 he turns and he's like interesting hat, and I'm like, oh, yeah, 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:20.960 it's a show. And he said, oh, and I said, 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:23.320 you know, it's a show on HBO. It's a new show. 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:26.160 He said, are you on it? And I said I am, Yeah, 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:28.680 I am. And he said, oh, is it Real Sex? 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:31.920 And I was like, no, there was a show on 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.200 HBO in the wee hours of the morning, you guys 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.319 literally basically like porn. Okay. I only saw it once, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.480 and I was like, what, Oh my god, So this 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.800 man in the Starbucks thinks that I, personally Kristen am 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.400 on this show called Real Sex in the wee hours 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.520 on HBO. And I didn't know what it was at 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.360 the time, but I was like, no, no, it's a comedy. 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.839 And he was like, oh, it looked like he didn't 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.200 believe me, So I kind of quit wearing that hat. 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:02.160 But these this is where we're at at this point, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.520 right we're just kind of at a vacuum, you know, 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.559 so we're operating in a vacuum. We're trying to figure 0:13:07.559 --> 0:13:09.840 out what we're doing. All the writers are back in 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.000 Los Angeles. Writer Darren had had a writer's room back 0:13:13.000 --> 0:13:15.640 in LA which is kind of you know, like how 0:13:15.679 --> 0:13:18.520 writers work, they have a writer's room, they pitch ideas. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.640 I'm sure they were using Candace's book. Maybe Candace was involved, 0:13:22.679 --> 0:13:26.040 I don't know, but they then they have the scripts, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:28.520 and then they already have the scripts when we come 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.280 to work basically or the scripts are primarily done. Michael 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.200 Patrick King is the person that we will ask about 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:37.560 this because Michael Patrick's King. King's name appears on this 0:13:37.640 --> 0:13:40.840 episode for the first time, hallelujah, and we get to 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:42.959 talk to him very soon. And man, the list of 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.680 questions is going to be long, you guys, I mean 0:13:46.160 --> 0:13:49.960 so long, like things that I literally am. I feel 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:51.480 like I've never seen the show. When I watched these 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:55.080 early episodes, I feel like I don't remember this. I 0:13:55.120 --> 0:13:59.200 don't know what's happening. I'm fascinated. But wow. So Michael 0:13:59.200 --> 0:14:01.400 can hopefully answer some of these questions for us. I'm 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.440 sure that he can, and he is on. His name 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.120 is on, not as a writer Darren wrote this episode, 0:14:08.240 --> 0:14:11.440 but he definitely is on as a co executive producer. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:16.560 So that's super interesting. So this episode, Hey gosh, where 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:21.800 to begin? This episode has so many fascinating, fascinating points 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:25.440 to it, which you know, I really seriously need to 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:29.480 hear all of your feedback on it. Because of two reasons. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:34.120 Number one, how does it seem to you if you've 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.560 seen it, like in the last couple of years, for instance, 0:14:36.840 --> 0:14:39.160 does it seem really shocking to you in terms of 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.480 this storyline of men who only date models, And then 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.560 there's this one and they're they're kind of like, you know, 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.760 unembarrassed about it all, you know, like, yeah, of course, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:52.000 you know, I just love beautiful women, you know, like 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:57.120 it's very interesting. And then also there's this one particular character, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:02.120 bark Lee, who filmed these models that he's having sex 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:06.240 with secretly and tells Carrie that this is his real 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:09.760 art because he is also a painter. He's splashing some 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:14.520 paint and you know, like kind of in a slightly 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:17.440 Jackson Pollock way but not really on a big canvas 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.000 with Carrie talking about models. And then he's like, but 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:22.040 this is my real art, and he shows her this 0:15:22.120 --> 0:15:25.760 wall of like super old fashioned, like nineteen sixties televisions, 0:15:26.080 --> 0:15:30.520 and then shows Carrie the video of him having sex 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.960 with these different women who are models, who Carrie says, 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.320 it is like the entire fragrance section of Vogue magazine, 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:39.640 and you know what on earth I mean? I Ah, 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:43.680 I'm just still in Shock. Obviously he would be in 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:48.000 jail if this happened now, which you know, this is progress, okay, 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:52.280 But also Carrie has to really be like so kind 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:57.600 of game, like she just sits there and she's like, oh, 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.400 you know, And I just wonder what on earth Sir 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.480 Jusica was thinking. And I'm also wondering what on earth 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.760 Gabriel Mocked was thinking. I mean, he gets, in my 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:12.080 mind so much credit because his likability factor is so 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:17.160 high that he somehow makes this character likable almost I 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.240 mean not really, because no one doing this could really 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:21.960 be likable, but like you really are. You're kind of 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:24.160 with him and then you're like, oh my gosh. But 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.880 like then we see him again at the fashion show 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.880 and Carrie's like, hey, you know, like it's really fascinating. 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.440 And I honestly think if it were not Gabriel Mocked 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:34.440 to play that character, I just don't even know how. 0:16:34.880 --> 0:16:36.920 I just don't even I just can't even picture it 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:41.800 even being remotely palatable in any way. So credit to you, 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.320 mister Mocked. I can totally see how you have a 0:16:45.440 --> 0:16:48.680 very successful career on suits and all the other things. 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.240 I don't even know, And I really wish I had 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.840 gotten to work with you because you were great, but wow, 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.120 I'm sorry you had to play this part. You can 0:16:56.160 --> 0:16:59.040 tell how I feel about this, this character and this storyline, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.680 and I just also feel for Sarah Jessica and I 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.400 just can't wait to ask her, you know, what on 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:06.280 earth were you thinking when you had to do this 0:17:06.359 --> 0:17:09.119 and be fine with it? And what I think about 0:17:09.160 --> 0:17:13.040 it is that one of the things I think as 0:17:13.080 --> 0:17:16.919 a kind of a thematic idea of watching the beginning 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:20.760 of the beginning of the show is one of the 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:23.120 things that we were struggling with, though I don't think 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:24.680 we would have had the words for it at the time, 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:32.480 was whose gaze is this story or show for and 0:17:32.800 --> 0:17:34.520 or by? Is it the male gaze? Is it the 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:40.440 female gaze? Are we trying to be somehow filling this 0:17:41.880 --> 0:17:44.480 area that HBO has carved out for itself of having 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:49.760 like kind of funny and slightly titillating shows like dream On. 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.760 Are we trying to do that for the men viewers? 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.640 Or are we trying to make a show about strong 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.840 women navigating relationships in New York City, which obviously is 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:03.760 we turned into Thank Goodness, But at the time I 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:05.920 don't think that we really knew. And part of the 0:18:05.960 --> 0:18:07.720 reason I bring this up is that coming up in 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:11.720 a couple episodes is going to be a storyline where 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:17.920 Charlotte is in a situation that I saw happening one 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:19.920 way and the director saw happening in a very very 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:22.399 different way. And I ended up having to lock myself 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.359 in a dressing room and call my manager and it 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:26.320 was like two am. So Michael Patrick wasn't there, Sir 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:28.000 Jessca wasn't there. No one was there to help me, 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:29.879 and I just had to like hide and call my 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.600 manager and be like what I do? What shud I do? 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:38.280 What's happening? And it was very similar the more active 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.800 as this storyline that Carrie finds herself in terms of 0:18:42.840 --> 0:18:49.200 like something that normally I think you wouldn't see on television, right. 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:50.760 I think that was kind of the thing too, Like 0:18:50.800 --> 0:18:53.359 we were trying to push the boundaries, and I feel 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:57.080 like Candice in her column was also like trying to 0:18:57.280 --> 0:19:00.680 push the boundaries, but investigate, like what is going on here? 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.879 You know, can women have sex like men? You know? 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:06.240 What do you make of modelizers? You know? Is it 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.120 worth trying to like push through that with a man 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:12.160 let's see you meet a man in New York, which 0:19:12.200 --> 0:19:15.439 could still happen. Okay, these dudes are one hundred percent 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:17.840 still there. I mean there are some famous ones. I 0:19:17.920 --> 0:19:19.520 am not going to say their name. I know you 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.040 all know who I mean. Like, I think it's really 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.920 fascinating and I don't know that it's been answered yet, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:29.840 Like why, like why why would a man only date models? 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:34.240 That is interesting? Okay, is it, like Carrie says about 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:38.280 the status, you know, is it making them feel stronger, 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:43.880 more powerful better that they have kind of a trophy 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:47.359 kind of person on their on their arm. But I 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:51.399 also feel like there is this storyline kind of uh 0:19:51.680 --> 0:19:54.440 sub subtext going on, or actually I think we actually 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:56.040 say it in the episode of like that they're not 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.120 that bright because the whole storyline with Josh Pace, who's 0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:03.080 so funny as Nick, who is the main modelizer of 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.399 the episode, who takes Miranda on a date because his 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.160 friends gang up on him and tell him that they 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.600 want him to bring a woman who can actually have 0:20:11.640 --> 0:20:15.720 a conversation, which is kind of funny, and so he 0:20:15.800 --> 0:20:19.800 brings Miranda and then she finds out and then it 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:23.120 shows these beautiful women that he's previously brought and they 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:27.800 can't even really converse with his friends who are not models. Right, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:30.199 So it does kind of continue on this kind of 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:32.800 idea that the beautiful women can't be smart, which is 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:36.320 not fair either. Right. So, like we've got some different 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:38.600 things that we're toying with in this episode, which I 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.399 think are fascinating, but also I don't know that we 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:44.719 go deep enough. I think that's I think that's what 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.360 I think. I mean. I love these two beautiful women 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.640 because we're still in the talking to the camera phase, right. 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:51.520 So at one point we got cut to a restaurant 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:54.280 and they're two beautiful women, and one of them says, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:57.600 oh god, I was hopeful for a second. She goes, 0:20:57.640 --> 0:20:59.920 you know, I mean people just don't think we're smart. 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:02.280 And I read all the time, and I'm like yay. 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:05.440 And then she says, I read sometimes a magazine from 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:08.840 cover to cover, and I'm like boo. So, like, you know, 0:21:08.920 --> 0:21:11.000 this whole episode for me was really up and down, 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.400 really up and down. Now let's cut two for a second. 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:18.720 We now have the transition happening of Sir Jessica's hair. 0:21:19.000 --> 0:21:22.760 It's brown in the pilot, which I personally love. Maybe 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:26.680 selfishly because obviously I'm a brunette and she's now blonde, 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:28.560 but it's not as blond as she ends up, right, 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:31.399 it's kind of in transition. She's got like really light 0:21:31.480 --> 0:21:33.760