Speaker 1: On today's episode of News, We're talking Doune three News,
Speaker 1: We're talking Emmy norms. It's news. Hello, my name is
Speaker 1: Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosie Night and welcome back to
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Speaker 2: today's news, we are catching up on the biggest geek
Speaker 2: news of the week, including the twenty twenty six Emmy nominations,
Speaker 2: which featured some of our fabes, the latest trailer for
Speaker 2: Dune three, Oh Baby, Paula Trades, he's doing the bad stuff.
Speaker 2: He's doing it. It's happening, and PlayStation eliminating physical media
Speaker 2: because they hate you owning anything. But first, it's the Emmys.
Speaker 1: Emmy nominations have been announced and here's some of your
Speaker 1: top line numbers. The Pit leads all shows with total
Speaker 1: nominations twenty five noms for the Pit. That is followed
Speaker 1: by Hacks with twenty four, a record for comedy series
Speaker 1: in a single year. This feels like a reaction a
Speaker 1: bear anti bear as a comedy reaction, Finally swinging back
Speaker 1: the other way. Newcomer Widows Bay leading all new shows
Speaker 1: with nineteen nominations and much.
Speaker 2: Deserved misses followed, but we love that.
Speaker 1: This is followed by Ploribus eighteen, the most Vince Gilligan
Speaker 1: has ever received for a date season of his show,
Speaker 1: and showing the rise of Apple TV plus as a
Speaker 1: premium television destination. Then comes season two of Beef, sixty
Speaker 1: nominations from Netflix and eight twenty four DTF say the
Speaker 1: absolutely mad cap did did you watch that?
Speaker 2: Oh my god crazy? I'm surprised that did not scream
Speaker 2: award show to me even though I knocked it. And
Speaker 2: I have to say, I wonder if this is representative
Speaker 2: of who is voting or how TV voting is changing.
Speaker 2: But both Widows Bay and DTF Saint Louis being on
Speaker 2: here so high were like really good for me, Like
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the kind of weird shit that
Speaker 2: needs to be getting nominated.
Speaker 1: I could imagine Widow's Baby because the critical reviewing has
Speaker 1: been so high quality and so full of praise. DTF
Speaker 1: Saint Louis is so fucking weird, And I did not
Speaker 1: get the sense from just scrolling around that like a
Speaker 1: lot of people were watching it. So I was pretty shocked.
Speaker 1: It's you know, if you haven't watched it, it's an
Speaker 1: indescribable show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't even understand.
Speaker 1: This about secret lives and being the person that you
Speaker 1: want to be, and sex and the way that we
Speaker 1: relate to each other over sex and the it cannot
Speaker 1: be explained, just you gotta watch it.
Speaker 2: So weird.
Speaker 1: Then came Senta It Live our only like network appear
Speaker 1: truly eleven nominations for Saturday Night Live from NBC, and
Speaker 1: I think another surprise eleven nominations for Spider Noir on Amazon.
Speaker 2: Dude, that is very interesting to me, especially because I
Speaker 2: will say, look, Spider Noir, it was fun. We had
Speaker 2: fun with it. I'm gonna tell you that shocked me
Speaker 2: simply because I do think there's one big snub here
Speaker 2: that it was not fully snubbed. It got like a
Speaker 2: couple of technicals. But for me, I think it welcomed
Speaker 2: to Darry should have been way higher up. I think
Speaker 2: it should have gotten so many norms for performances. I
Speaker 2: think it should have got norms for writing, like it's
Speaker 2: so fucking good. It should have got like I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't think Amy's does ensemble, but like it was
Speaker 2: just so good and the fact Stranger Things got more
Speaker 2: norms than that, to me, it was kind of crazy,
Speaker 2: like that was the one show that I felt like
Speaker 2: didn't get the love it deserted. But also it's a
Speaker 2: horror show well so traditionally very normal. I was happy
Speaker 2: to see Night of the Seven Kingdoms get Outstanding Drama though,
Speaker 2: because I think that is just such a special show,
Speaker 2: Like that's easily my pick for that category this year,
Speaker 2: Like I would pick it over the pit. I think
Speaker 2: we go through some good shit like that.
Speaker 1: Let's go through some of these categories out saying DRAVI,
Speaker 1: you mentioned it The Diplomat on Netflix, The Gilded Age,
Speaker 1: a Night of the Seven Kingdoms Paradise, which I also
Speaker 1: thought was a bit of a surprise. The pick crazy
Speaker 1: plorabis slow horses Apple TV Plus and your Friends and
Speaker 1: Neighbors Apple TV Plus. Apple TV Plus also kind of
Speaker 1: owning the I was going to see people with rich
Speaker 1: people with dark lines kind of category.
Speaker 2: Kind of crazy that Apple TV has an equal amount
Speaker 2: of nominations in Outstanding Drama sees series as HBO. There
Speaker 2: is a time a couple of years ago where you
Speaker 2: would have never have seen that coming or won a
Speaker 2: lot of money if you bet that you did. So
Speaker 2: their long play has really gone hit, and I think
Speaker 2: it's actually kind of crazy. I'm not gonna say, I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna lie. Outstanding Drama Series. So we have Diplomat
Speaker 2: that's like a spy series, right, Gilded Age, it's a
Speaker 2: period piece. Nine of the Seven Kingdoms is a fantasy paradise.
Speaker 2: It's a sci fi. The Pit it's hospital standard plural us,
Speaker 2: it's a sci fi, it's a spy. We're getting a
Speaker 2: lot of like quite genre heavy pieces here being recognized
Speaker 2: in these categories in a way that I feel like
Speaker 2: doesn't often happen. So that's really fun.
Speaker 1: Outstanding Comedy Series, Avid Elementary, The Bear Boo Who it's
Speaker 1: not a comedy, Hacks, Margo's Got Money, Troubles, which is excellent.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants this from Netflix only Murders in the Building,
Speaker 1: new season from Hulu and Shrinking from Apple TV plus.
Speaker 1: Shouts to our favorite Harris at Ford d Widows Bait
Speaker 1: from Apple TV plus. That's this is a man, super
Speaker 1: super strong category. The Outstanding Limited Series All Her Fault
Speaker 1: from Peacock, The Beast in Me from Netflix, Beef, DTF
Speaker 1: Saint Louis Love Story JFK Junior in Caroline Bissett, which
Speaker 1: I started watching.
Speaker 2: A little bit. I actually think that Beef and DTF
Speaker 2: Saint Louis are the firm runners for that one.
Speaker 1: I honestly so fucking shocked if DTF Saint Louis wins,
Speaker 1: it's me too.
Speaker 2: But the rest, like love Story JFK and Carolyn Bessett,
Speaker 2: it's fine, right, It's very like standard what you expect
Speaker 2: it to be. The Beast in Meat is actually fantastic,
Speaker 2: but it's super bleak and weird, and it's really a
Speaker 2: two hander, So I would love to see that win. All.
Speaker 2: I thought it's very like what you think it is
Speaker 2: from the title. But I feel like even though Beef
Speaker 2: season two we know it dropped off thirty percent of
Speaker 2: those big Netflix conversations, I think that there's something about
Speaker 2: the anthology of it all. The casting is very appealing
Speaker 2: to voters, but DTF Saint Louis getting in a tour
Speaker 2: makes me think there's a chance it could win, which
Speaker 2: is just crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the snubs and surprises. Yes,
Speaker 1: so Stranger Things shut out of all major character categories.
Speaker 1: Final season earned seven Craft nominations but zero Outstanding Drama Series,
Speaker 1: Lead Actor, Lead Actress, any above the line categories, which
Speaker 1: I found surprising, especially for the last season of a
Speaker 1: huge show.
Speaker 2: That's why Hacks, I think as well, got so much
Speaker 2: recognition this season. Final season. Incredible season, so funny and
Speaker 2: like a little bit of that late stage recognition. I
Speaker 2: think Stranger Things was, you know, in a complicated situation
Speaker 2: because it has essentially become It was the show that
Speaker 2: launched Netflix, but in its own way, it's also the
Speaker 2: show that's kind of killing Netflix because of it's set up,
Speaker 2: the established two to three years between the kids are
Speaker 2: growing up too much. There's not enough episodes, you know,
Speaker 2: so it's interesting to kind of see it end that way.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I agree. I mean, I think that it
Speaker 2: got like one or two technicals, and I feel like
Speaker 2: it should have been up there for technicals as well
Speaker 2: as in my opinion, like performances and writing. But yeah,
Speaker 2: not surprise for me. As Stranger Things, I think it's
Speaker 2: a complicated space and if you really look at the
Speaker 2: quality of the show, like compared to some of these
Speaker 2: other shows, it doesn't have the juice. I will say
Speaker 2: Widow's Bed to Me was a surprise, but simply just
Speaker 2: because of the timing was so close right, Like it
Speaker 2: was like could it is it really going to get
Speaker 2: the juice with voters to get in this close? And
Speaker 2: it did and it deserves it completely Like nineteen and
Speaker 2: I'm so gag Kato Fling got nom like they really
Speaker 2: recognized the talent in that show. Jason, I think the
Speaker 2: hardest category for me to pick is the comedy series
Speaker 2: with that Abbott, Elementary Hacks, Margo's Got Money, Troubles Shrinking,
Speaker 2: which people love. We also saw Jessica Williams get and
Speaker 2: I mean non finally for Shrinking, which I love, the
Speaker 2: big cool comic book zine Head There She's a baddie.
Speaker 2: I love her. What and Widow's Bay. What is your pick?
Speaker 2: Because I think that's the hardest category to pick from.
Speaker 1: I think I would go Widows Bay Immediate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so too. I think the motion. I
Speaker 2: think it has the motion. I think it has the momentum.
Speaker 2: I think it was generally seen as a pretty flawless
Speaker 2: first season. I would also probably go for that though.
Speaker 2: I do just think that last season of Hacks was
Speaker 2: amazing and I love Quinta. I think abb Elementary is great.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Margo's got money troubles. I'd love to see
Speaker 2: that pull through as a little like underdog, but I
Speaker 2: think right now Widow's b or shrinking is probably the
Speaker 2: safe bet.
Speaker 1: Other surprises and snubs the boys in Euphoria.
Speaker 2: Is that a surprise? I don't know, I mean, but
Speaker 2: I do want to say, for for Zendea, I loved
Speaker 2: that she got numbed. She got numbed even though she's
Speaker 2: three for three nombed every season for Euphoria, and she
Speaker 2: didn't even do any fucking for it.
Speaker 1: No Sydney Sweeney, No Sidney Sweeney despite heavy, heavy campaigning.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. I mean Sam. Sam probably told her she'd
Speaker 2: get nominated if she got her boobs out in that
Speaker 2: fifty foot Woman sequence, which I personally did love, like
Speaker 2: it's a crazy sequins, but like, come on, babe, you
Speaker 2: were never getting it. I'm sorry A sendays show.
Speaker 1: Bad Bunny nine nominations. I think A delightful surprise here
Speaker 1: from the super Bowl. From the Super Bowl Halftime Show,
Speaker 1: Taylor shoft eras tour five nominations on Disney Plus, which
Speaker 1: is crazy, and I think this is I think a
Speaker 1: surprise just feels like a generational surprise. Subway Takes, the
Speaker 1: YouTube series has been nominated for Outstanding Short Form Comedy
Speaker 1: Drama of Variety. Huh, this is like we've arrived. You've
Speaker 1: arrived at this level.
Speaker 2: By the way, can I just say, what happened to
Speaker 2: Chicken Shop?
Speaker 1: Why? Why not chicken Shop? I think Chicken Shop is funny.
Speaker 2: Is kind of crazy that she didn't get no because
Speaker 2: she was so in the ind things hot ones. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wonder what it is about Subway Takes, specifically who's dad,
Speaker 2: Who's whose kid is that? But that's actually really funny.
Speaker 2: I want to say thank you to everyone, many of
Speaker 2: my loved ones who sent me the Subway Takes with
Speaker 2: that old man who hates Christopher Nolan and said, this
Speaker 2: is you. It's true, I am a Christopher Nolan sink.
Speaker 2: But I want to specify. While me and that guy
Speaker 2: agree on most things, I don't love once upon a
Speaker 2: time in Hollywood guys, So let's just clear that up.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Subway to do very crazy.
Speaker 1: Should we talk about your what is what is your
Speaker 1: Christopher Nolan issue.
Speaker 2: My Nolan issue is like less about the actual films,
Speaker 2: which are obviously very well made, and more about like
Speaker 2: the way that certain directors are like built up right.
Speaker 2: It's like it's very tiring to constantly be told this
Speaker 2: is the best director in the world when there are
Speaker 2: like incredible directors working. I would also say The Batman
Speaker 2: Christophanolan movies like did so much damage psychically culturally to
Speaker 2: like the grim dark trend that I will never be
Speaker 2: able to truly love them. And also, guys, I gotta
Speaker 2: tell you something else. And Christopher Nolan, I'm excited for
Speaker 2: The Odyssey. So if you're listening, as I know you do,
Speaker 2: it's getting it's getting great reviews, right, But I just
Speaker 2: want to say, inception you like that movie, go watch
Speaker 2: a movie called Patrick Obabe. Was she coming? These motherfuckers
Speaker 2: just be ripping off anime all day every day. Like
Speaker 2: that's my issue with Christopher Nolan. There's many I think
Speaker 2: he's fine. He's a good direct though, he went to
Speaker 2: film school. Good job.
Speaker 1: I think that here's my Christopher Nolan take. I think
Speaker 1: that he is an excellent director. I think he has
Speaker 1: made many, many really great movies. And then every single
Speaker 1: one of these movies, even the ones I don't like,
Speaker 1: like Interstellar, yeah always have or or Tenant, there's always
Speaker 1: two to three scenes that I would pull up on
Speaker 1: YouTube and rewatch agree, Like I would rewatch the the
Speaker 1: terrorist takeover of the Performance Hall from Tenant, I would
Speaker 1: watch that against So I think that's like really well done,
Speaker 1: even though that movie is absolutely poppy cock.
Speaker 2: And guess what, I love sham mockery.
Speaker 1: Confused mess and Interstellar is just like sappy fucking nonsense,
Speaker 1: but like arriving on the new planet, like there's a
Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that's really good.
Speaker 2: He's well, that's what I'm saying. Like I was convinced
Speaker 2: to be excited about the Odyssey because of the Trojan
Speaker 2: Horse sequence I saw at Cinema. Con Like that man
Speaker 2: can do a fucking action sequence. Think about the Bain sequence,
Speaker 2: even the really both both the robbing the Wall Street
Speaker 2: is a great sequence in that movie and the Bain
Speaker 2: sequence in the Gotham Nights Stadium, right, Like Christopher Nolen
Speaker 2: can fucking he can make a set piece. I mean
Speaker 2: even the inception set piece that was definitely him kind
Speaker 2: of you know, auditioning to be the James Bond director
Speaker 2: where they have this snow set piece right like that
Speaker 2: ship bangs like I bet you did.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to do that. My guess is that
Speaker 1: he would not want to really be the James Bond
Speaker 1: director unless they would give him significant leeway to.
Speaker 2: Be probably run by Amazon, I would say. But I'm
Speaker 2: interested to see Denise take on it, And yeah, like
Speaker 2: I just I I'm very interested to see how The
Speaker 2: Odyssey is taken because I do feel like it contends
Speaker 2: with a lot of the issues I have with his
Speaker 2: previous movies, and I think I'm interested to see the
Speaker 2: way he's been kind of holding up Zendaya and talking
Speaker 2: about how great she is. And I'm very interested to
Speaker 2: see how The Odyssey plays. We will be seeing it
Speaker 2: on Monday night, Jason, so we will be seeing it
Speaker 2: very soon, and I'm very excited.
Speaker 1: Next up, PlayStation is ending physical media. Sony Interactive Entertainment
Speaker 1: has announced that physical game disc production for all new
Speaker 1: video games released on the PlayStation console will end starting
Speaker 1: January twenty twenty eight. After that date, new games will
Speaker 1: be available exclusively in digital formats. This good for you.
Speaker 1: There's a million different reasons why this is a bad idea,
Speaker 1: but like but been a natural evolution, is a cost
Speaker 1: saving idea. There's every expectation that PlayStation six will be
Speaker 1: almost certainly digital only, and this is yet another step
Speaker 1: towards not being able to own the media that you purchase,
Speaker 1: not having control over it. It's bad, but I'm unclear
Speaker 1: what we can do about it and how it can
Speaker 1: force the industry to change. Jean Luke Melenchan, France's left
Speaker 1: wing presidential candidate, called for a legislative review of this, saying, quote,
Speaker 1: tomorrow you will pay without ever owning anything. He called
Speaker 1: video games cultural assets, not me merchandise, and that's absolutely true.
Speaker 1: In the streaming era, when you purchase a movie or
Speaker 1: a television show or a season of TV shows digitally,
Speaker 1: do you own it? Do you own your ebooks? Can
Speaker 1: your ebooks be edited without you knowing? All of these
Speaker 1: are reasons why physical media has an important place still
Speaker 1: in the world despite this clear loss for those of
Speaker 1: us who are fans of physical media.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's very heart breaking in my opinion because also
Speaker 2: this is one of those like butterfly effect choices where
Speaker 2: it starts with the gamer right, like we want to
Speaker 2: own the game, we want to be able to play
Speaker 2: the game whenever we want. But then it has ripple effects.
Speaker 2: You can't share your games with your friends anymore if
Speaker 2: they're digital games. Also, it has bigger ripple effects. What
Speaker 2: happens to a game stop, right? What happens to businesses
Speaker 2: that are built a CeX in the UK on selling
Speaker 2: secondhand physical media? Right? I think that is one of
Speaker 2: the things that we will truly lose with this. I mean,
Speaker 2: the good thing is the games we already exist, already exist,
Speaker 2: and we can own them and we can purchase them.
Speaker 2: I do think this is worrying. Jason. My biggest question
Speaker 2: for you is, and I know the answer, but I
Speaker 2: think this is something they'll have to contend with. They
Speaker 2: are going to start these programs and these purchases with
Speaker 2: the prices at the same price that a physical one
Speaker 2: would be. Right. That's the big issue is like they
Speaker 2: would They're going to charge eighty dollars for a physical download, right? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that I think is the biggest thing that they're
Speaker 2: going to have to contend with because before the price
Speaker 2: could be argued that it was the manufacturing, right, But
Speaker 2: how do you put a value on something that you
Speaker 2: don't even have the purpose to own. Now, the value
Speaker 2: comes from the work and the labor of the video
Speaker 2: artists and the animes and the programmers and shit. But like,
Speaker 2: how do you sell eighty dollars of nothing to people?
Speaker 2: I guess this is.
Speaker 1: Well, it's an eighty dollars license to be clear.
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, it's an eight dollar video rental essentially, right, right.
Speaker 1: It's it's a license. They can revoke your license for
Speaker 1: any time for whatever reason. But you're paying now for
Speaker 1: to essentially rent the video game that you used to
Speaker 1: in the past buy and put your finger on it.
Speaker 1: It is. It's very annoying that despite the fact that
Speaker 1: they are cutting out the costs associated with the physical
Speaker 1: manufacture of this past media, the price will stay the same,
Speaker 1: despite the fact that now all they need to do
Speaker 1: to deliver the product from them to us is send
Speaker 1: it down the pipe. They don't need to send it
Speaker 1: to yeah, to a printer that will then print it
Speaker 1: on the discs and source the discs and put it
Speaker 1: on the colors and yeah, the Shiperia.
Speaker 2: Walk and the awe and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: They cut all of that out. But I don't think
Speaker 2: that they will immediately cut the price.
Speaker 1: Very very very annoying. I will guarantee that they will
Speaker 1: not cut the price. They may because of this backlash
Speaker 1: be like, oh, now it's like five dollars less. But
Speaker 1: that's why I think sincerely doubt it. And then finally
Speaker 1: we got the full trailer of Dune three A Timothy
Speaker 1: Shalomes and DAYA They Go to War. The new trailer
Speaker 1: debuted July eighth and an Imax Global fan event and
Speaker 1: is now available to see on the Internet. Danny Villeneuve
Speaker 1: and Timothy Shanley presented it before audience is in LA
Speaker 1: with simulcast in Chicago, Dallas, Toronto, Montreal, London, Berlin, Mexico City,
Speaker 1: and Abu Dhabi. An extended clip will screen before the
Speaker 1: Imax seventy millimeters showings of The Odyssey, so we will
Speaker 1: potentially get to see this on the seventy millimeter Imax
Speaker 1: screen Monday, and at each screening location, one audience member
Speaker 1: found an envelope under their seat for a private advanced
Speaker 1: screening of the film. All of this tells me, Rosie,
Speaker 1: they think it's good, Dad, They gets it's good.
Speaker 2: Brodd know they have done. This movie comes out the
Speaker 2: same day as doomsday? Can we remember that? And they
Speaker 2: have done two different global trailers.
Speaker 1: We have zero Doomsay screeeners at this official doomsday anything
Speaker 1: like oh, we're getting is leaks of leaks of leaks, and.
Speaker 2: It's like they think the movie's great. The trailer is huge.
Speaker 2: If you are a fan of the books, you're likely
Speaker 2: gonna be kind of shocked by the trailer. Me and
Speaker 2: a Boo, we're talking about this a little bit. It
Speaker 2: really is leaning into what they set up in Dune
Speaker 2: Part two, which is the idea of Chinese is almost
Speaker 2: like a anti Paula trades warrior or like activist, which
Speaker 2: is not something from the books. We also get to
Speaker 2: see Anya Taylor Joy here with her baby bangs. This
Speaker 2: is the movie that was never officially gonna be called
Speaker 2: Dune Messiah, but we all assumed we'd be adapting that
Speaker 2: part and we do see that here. Like Poorie A,
Speaker 2: he's doing a genocide, he's causing problems. Both the kids
Speaker 2: are going to be in it. So we're really speeding
Speaker 2: through the timeline. When I went to the it's far ahead, right.
Speaker 1: This is a seventeen year jump, and to your point,
Speaker 1: the characters from June Messiah dun Duncan Idaho back from
Speaker 1: the dead as a clone is a character in that
Speaker 1: and his returns here. Also the character Skytail, who's a
Speaker 1: Lee lu Stancier from the book. Is this is Robert
Speaker 1: Pattinson's character. So, yes, this is the Dune Messiah adaptation
Speaker 1: of it. To your point, it certainly looks much changed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's definitely going to be changed, but I
Speaker 2: think it looks really great. We get to see some
Speaker 2: fremen action here. We get to see this kind of
Speaker 2: hint of who the Blade is. You know, what Paul's
Speaker 2: sister will do to allow him to connect and complete
Speaker 2: this kind of genocide. I'm very excited. I think they're
Speaker 2: going for Oscar here, for Zenda. I think she's going
Speaker 2: to be in big contention. Yeah, I trust any I
Speaker 2: like this. I really want to see how far we'll
Speaker 2: get with the kids, because that's where some really crazy
Speaker 2: shit happens with children of Dune. So yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: it looks banger. I did not go and see this
Speaker 2: trailer launch. I was at the first one, but I've
Speaker 2: watched the trailer a bunch of times and it does
Speaker 2: look different. Then he said, this is more of a
Speaker 2: political thriller. It's more of a pot boiler, it's more stealthy,
Speaker 2: it's more violent in ways you're not expecting. The second
Speaker 2: one was the big war movie. This is something different,
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited. I think it looks incredible and
Speaker 2: currently they are WB is definitely ahead of Avengers on
Speaker 2: hype for this because imagine, Jason, Yes, five years ago,
Speaker 2: was there a world where you would ever have bet
Speaker 2: that a Dune adaptation, big budget sci fi would be
Speaker 2: able to contend with and potentially crush an mcu event movie,
Speaker 2: Like no fucking way, Like this is a seen as
Speaker 2: an unfilmable book. You know, Lynch is one flop. I
Speaker 2: do think I love it. I love that this is
Speaker 2: where we're at, but it's crazy.
Speaker 1: I do listen. I do have some worries in the
Speaker 1: sense that this is a this is a big tent
Speaker 1: pole like hit, popcorn bucket type movie. And though Denny
Speaker 1: Villeneuve brings a kind of artistic flare to his films
Speaker 1: that are mainstream movies, I think this is going to
Speaker 1: be very challenging because what you're doing is, if you're
Speaker 1: adapting the book in in any kind of authentic way,
Speaker 1: you're taking the main character who's been the hero and
Speaker 1: you're turning him into a genocidal maniac who must be stopped.
Speaker 2: And will the.
Speaker 1: Audience go along with that?
Speaker 2: Right? I'm not sure it always type backlash, like people
Speaker 2: won't have seen it coming, or is it well enough known?
Speaker 2: Now I have to tell you something crazy. The last
Speaker 2: Dune movie the reason we're even getting this. So we
Speaker 2: talked about this the other day that Superman ended its
Speaker 2: run with six hundred and eighteen million dollars worldwide, which
Speaker 2: is not great, but it is what it is. Dude,
Speaker 2: Dune made seven hundred and fifteen million dollars worldwide. It
Speaker 2: beat Superman by almost a million dollar one hundred million dollars,
Speaker 2: and that, to me just showcases that there is a
Speaker 2: want for like epic sci fi that has not been
Speaker 2: being fed or served in a way that works for people.
Speaker 2: And I think both the rise of Apple and the
Speaker 2: success of these Dune movies are a big part of that. Now,
Speaker 2: I think you're right, Jason. Do people come out of
Speaker 2: this movie with a terrible cinema score because they hate
Speaker 2: Paul or are they understanding of a complicated figure and
Speaker 2: sort of will this be the moment where people realize
Speaker 2: what you know Herbert was really doing, which was critiquing
Speaker 2: the hero's journey, the solo one White Savior. So I
Speaker 2: think you're right. How does it lamb with audiences is
Speaker 2: the big question? Can it make a billion dollars is
Speaker 2: the biggest question? You don't think so I think it could.
Speaker 2: I think doing free you can make a billion dollars.
Speaker 1: I don't think it'll make a billion dollars, I'll be
Speaker 1: I think it'll be in that sub billion, eight hundred million,
Speaker 1: seven hundred million dollar range. I do not seeing I
Speaker 1: do not see it making a billion dollars.
Speaker 2: I think the reason that I think it has the
Speaker 2: potential to touch a bill this time round is the
Speaker 2: Zendea Robert Pattinson, Tom Holland kind of hype of Spider
Speaker 2: Man the Odyssey and this. I think it's giving Dooon
Speaker 2: a younger audience boost that we haven't seen for the
Speaker 2: other ones. And I think there is a way that,
Speaker 2: knowing the last one made seven hundred and fifteen, I
Speaker 2: think this could touch it. But I think you're right.
Speaker 2: I think realistically this could make eight hundred million and
Speaker 2: be seen as a huge success. I think there's a
Speaker 2: world where if Doomsday doesn't hit, this could touch a
Speaker 2: bill because it could play over Christmas for a really
Speaker 2: long time with a lot of people going to see
Speaker 2: it if it is the movie that defeats Doomsday. But
Speaker 2: I don't think that's likely. I think that's the underdog
Speaker 2: conversation right now. But it's crazy that it's a conversation
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: On next week's episodes of X ray Vision, we're diving
Speaker 1: into Christopher Nolans, The Odyssey, What and What Dragon End
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