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Speaker 1: You know the background, the journey that it took to

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Speaker 2: Very proud of Ray to be where he's at today.

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Speaker 2: That had Buffalo really gotten after Challel. So how big

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Speaker 2: What do you think has made Tune such a good

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Speaker 1: Year especially get all yeah, he's you know for a

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Speaker 1: Creative, man, like cover it up, lock it up when

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Speaker 1: you're here now, so you might as well. Nothing really

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Speaker 1: It's gonna whatever gets celebrated no matter what in a

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Speaker 2: And that's what is hard about this job and in

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Speaker 1: On the team when this is their first playoff experience.

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Speaker 2: Just mentally, do you handle this week with those guys differently?

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Speaker 1: Same ass man, same ass That's what we talked about

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Speaker 1: And you know, I think that our players have done

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Speaker 1: That is playoff football, and you know we'll be ready

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