WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: You Better Shop Around 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.479 Hi, get everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading 0:00:06.519 --> 0:00:11.840 the Bengals Booth Podcast. The My Mama told Me a 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:16.599 better shop around. Addition, as Dave Lapham joins me to 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:18.480 take a look at the free agents who have agreed 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.200 to new deals in Cincinnati, some guys they are still 0:00:21.239 --> 0:00:26.520 negotiating with, and we'll answer your ask lap questions. 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I suspect 0:01:53.760 --> 0:01:57.400 that you'll be moved to tears as well. Now let's 0:01:57.400 --> 0:02:00.240 get to football, as Dave Lapham joins me to discuss 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:04.800 free agency and much more. All right, lab, let's dive 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.440 right into free agency. So far from the Bengals, and 0:02:07.480 --> 0:02:09.880 who knows, as we're doing this recording, they might sign 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.720 another guy or two. I'll keep an eye on that 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:14.760 during the recording. But let's start with the biggest free 0:02:14.800 --> 0:02:18.200 agent acquisition thus far, and that is defensive end Trey 0:02:18.280 --> 0:02:23.320 Hendrickson from the Saints. Four years, sixty million dollars. Basically, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.440 it's kind of a swap. They lost Carl Lawson, their 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:28.919 best pass rusher. They're bringing in a guy who had 0:02:28.960 --> 0:02:31.560 thirteen and a half sacks last year to tie for 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:35.280 second best in the NFL. Yeah. I thought that free 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:38.880 agency had some depth to it Dan with the edge rushers, 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:42.040 and it has some solid depth of defensive tackle and 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:45.560 the Bengals got one of each. You know, Ogan Joey, 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.239 we know a lot about. He's raised some heck here 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:52.440 against the Cincinnati Bengals, and like you said, Hendrickson had 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.600 a breakout year thirteen and a half sacks. The Lawson 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.080 Henderson trade off to me is an interesting one. I 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.359 think they're both rated maybe in the top three edge 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.559 guys by by most uh most people that were rating 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:10.720 edge people in the free agency. They have different uh 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.480 they're a little bit different though. I think I think Hendrickson, 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:19.200 if I had to use the term football player instincts, 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:22.160 you know, an instinctive football player. I give the edge 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.800 to Hendrickson because he plays the run a little bit better, 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:27.919 obviously a lot better in my opinion than Carl does. 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:32.000 And then Carl was improving. But if you're talking quick twitch, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:37.440 rare explosion, unbelievable first step, get off all the He's 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:39.840 got that skill that that part of the skill set 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.840 Lawson has is very very unique, you know, and you 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.000 look at Carl Losson put his numbers up basically a 0:03:47.040 --> 0:03:49.520 one man band, with Hubbard being hurt a good part 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.680 of it. Not, you know, not any compliment, guys. You 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.560 know people are gonna argue Hendrickson thirteen and a half sacks, 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:59.240 but man, you get you know, you get Cam Jordan, 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.360 you know, working with him, you get other other guys inside. 0:04:03.600 --> 0:04:06.120 With the offense the Saints have, they're playing with the 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:08.720 lead all the time, and rush from the quarterback becomes 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:10.560 much easier when you know you're going to rush the 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:12.960 passer because they have to throw the football and try 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.560 to catch up. Team start abandoned in their running game. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:17.080 I mean, you can come up with all kinds of 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:20.960 theories and arguments and reasons. Bottom line, in my opinion, 0:04:21.000 --> 0:04:24.839 having you know, played in the trenches, thirteen half sacks 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:26.520 is thirteen a half sacks. He still went out and 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:29.000 got him, you know, he still did it. And I'm 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:31.520 not saying that it wasn't maybe an easier path. I 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:35.360 mean Carl had more fewer sacks, but more hits, but 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:38.920 a lot more snaps. Well, you know, Hendrickson has a 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:42.320 good rush and the quarterback has nowhere else to go 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.799 because other guys are getting a good rush. Carl Lawston 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:47.840 has a good rush. Quarterback can slidestep and move and 0:04:48.000 --> 0:04:50.640 change the pocket because it's a one man band on 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.839 the rush. So you know, there's there's something to it 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.479 all the time when you look at a guy's numbers. 0:04:56.040 --> 0:04:58.240 That's why football, I think is the is the most 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.520 interesting sport because there's the moving parts on both sides 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.400 of the football, and you know one guy's numbers, you 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.799 can't just extrapolate it. It's not like a vacuum extrapolated 0:05:08.800 --> 0:05:10.240 and plugged in here and he's going to have those 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:13.200 same numbers. Just doesn't work that way. You know, there's 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:15.320 a lot of variables and a lot of components around 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.760 everybody's numbers and everybody's efforts and all that goes into it. 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.560 But bottom line is when I watch him play, I mean, 0:05:23.520 --> 0:05:27.480 I'm excited to see the h men. Hubbard and Henderson. 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:31.400 They both have to. I mean, they're both gonna bring 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:33.800 it every snap. They're both gonna be you know, a 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.440 full effort going to empty the effort bucket up. I'm 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.559 very interested in seeing the ah men on the edges. 0:05:39.080 --> 0:05:42.120 I think covered gonna be a good little, good little tandem. 0:05:42.760 --> 0:05:46.360 We will not use preparation age when talking about those 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:49.120 two guys coming off the edge as a term that is, 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.120 we're not going to use that. Here's here's what I 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.680 like about it. A couple of things. Number One, you 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:58.800 get an extra year. So Carl's deal with the Jets 0:05:59.279 --> 0:06:03.640 was three years. The Bengals deal with Hendrickson was four years, 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:05.840 fifteen million dollars a year in each case, so I 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:10.360 like the extra year. Secondly would be the durability. Hendrickson 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:13.479 did have one season where he only played five games. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:16.920 But Karl, of course, has a couple of significant knee 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:20.120 injuries in his past. You know, there were times that 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:22.680 he had to miss several games here, several games there 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:25.200 for pulled muscles and things like that. I think you're 0:06:25.200 --> 0:06:28.880 getting a slightly more durable guy, at least based on 0:06:29.000 --> 0:06:33.599 his history. I agree with that. Dan and a bigger guy, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.880 you know, overall frame, you know, two hundred and seventy pounds, 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:40.360 that carries it a lot more easily than Carl Lawson, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.360 who's a beefed up whatever he is, and he's not 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:46.200 two hundred and seventy pounds. And you know, in my 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.720 mind with Carl, the only negative I guess from a 0:06:50.760 --> 0:06:55.120 physical standpoint is lack of length, and Henderson has got 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:57.760 more length, you know that way, And again I think 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:01.840 I think overall foot ball player in terms of football 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:06.440 player instincts, I give, I definitely give the edge to Hendrickson. Um, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:08.800 and I do like, like you said, I do like 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:11.200 the fact that you have the extra year. They're both 0:07:11.200 --> 0:07:14.000 the standing player. It's going to be very interesting to see, 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.200 you know, whose ascension continues. I do think both have 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:23.679 upside potential. The gets will probably say I think Carl 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:28.320 Loston more upside potential because of that the rare explosiveness, 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:30.480 that quick twitch that he has. I mean, you don't 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:32.680 find many big guys with the quick twitch to that 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.920 that that dude has. Kray Hendrickson ran a four six 0:07:36.040 --> 0:07:38.800 five forty you know, out of college, so he's a 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:41.960 guy that might not have the quickness and explosion is 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:45.520 Carl Lawson, but he is also a tremendous all around athlete, 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.320 effort guy too, and I'm not standing to Carl Lawson. 0:07:48.480 --> 0:07:51.400 Isn't or wasn't um Carl Lawson. I think, you know, 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.880 gives you gives good effort. But we know what's Sam 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.120 Hubbard's like, I mean Sam Hubbards. You know it's it's 0:07:56.560 --> 0:07:59.160 like if she's he's losing an arm, he's still coming, 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.120 you know. And that's what Henderson brings to the table 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.559 it as well. I think, all right, let's talk about 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:08.200 the two cornerbacks that have signed so far, beginning with 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.920 and I'm going to I work very hard on this name, 0:08:11.960 --> 0:08:16.080 on the pronunciation. I think I've got it right. Shitubey 0:08:16.120 --> 0:08:21.480 a Woogie shit Obey A Wougier, second round draft picked 0:08:21.520 --> 0:08:24.440 by the Cowboys back in twenty seventeen. He'll be twenty 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:27.600 seven years old in June. He gets a three year 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:32.320 roughly twenty one million dollar contracts, so that's about seven 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:36.680 million dollars a year. Will Jackson signed with Washington for 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:41.240 twice that fourteen million dollars a year. Will Jackson is 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:45.720 not twice as good as Shitubey A. Wougier. In fact, 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:48.679 based on conversations that I've had with people from Dallas, 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.080 a description of shit Obey a Wougier sounds exactly like 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.600 Will Jackson to me. Yeah, I mean, I think there's 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.280 a there's a lot of a lot of comparisons. To me, 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.800 he looks like he's a, you know, a reliable guy 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:04.760 where he's supposed to be kind of guy can make 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:07.439 playce Now, last year he you know, he misstate games. 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:12.120 He had the hamstring injury and COVID issues, but his 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:16.360 overall production the first four years in the league. Yeah, 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.800 I mean, I agree with you. I think I don't 0:09:18.840 --> 0:09:21.920 think they're losing much and they're not paying anywhere near 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.800 as much, so I don't have a real big problem 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:29.280 with that signing. And he'll start, you know. To me, 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.480 the Bengals went out in free agency and they got 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:37.040 a starting edge rusher at a starting corner, they got 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.360 a starting stock corner, and they got a starting defensive 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.559 tackle a three technique. I mean, they've addressed a lot 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.200 of defensive needs. And again and I feel like in 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:50.600 free agency there was more depth on the defensive side 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.720 of the football. I think the offensive line depth in 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:57.760 free agency was not his deep. I think there were 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:00.600 some good players and they got paid the old line 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.760 the guys that, uh, we're out there broke the bank. Um. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.160 But I think the offensive line in the draft is 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.760 a lot deeper than, uh than the defensive front and 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:14.240 the secondary draft. So I think the Bengals went and said, 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:18.840 all right, well, free agency edge, defensive tack or corner, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.360 let's see what we get there, and then we'll address 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.040 and still try to get that old lineman and Riley 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:30.160 reive and hopefully he's signing as we speak. Hopefully uh 0:10:30.320 --> 0:10:32.680 Joe Burrow's taking him to breakfast, lunch and dinner and 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.839 told him how important is that he comes here to 0:10:36.880 --> 0:10:40.400 be a Cincinnati Bengal um. And and if they if 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.960 they get that done, then then a little bit of 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:46.199 the pressure is off, I think in terms of the draft, 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:48.320 and I know people are gonna be like, look, you 0:10:48.360 --> 0:10:50.439 know you're gonna play it. You're saying, all right, well 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:52.480 the draft, you're gonna have two rookies starting in your 0:10:52.520 --> 0:10:54.720 offensive line. No, that's not That's not what I'm saying. 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:58.600 But I'm saying I think the draft is uh is 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.480 deeper than what they have out there in free agency. 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.360 And I think it was like in this free agency 0:11:04.400 --> 0:11:07.200 that was supposed to be terrible year to be a 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:10.160 free agent because fifteen million dollars less than a cap 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.320 and a lot of teams been capped jail in camp bid. 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:17.520 Trent Williams got the highest offensive tackle contract in the 0:11:17.600 --> 0:11:21.120 history of the National Football League. Doon, he got eighty million, 0:11:21.160 --> 0:11:23.640 one hundred and thirty plus. Don't get eighty million plus. 0:11:23.679 --> 0:11:27.880 So the peak guys, the prime guys, we're gonna get paid. 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.920 And the Chiefs just the Chiefs only need his offensive line. 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:34.440 They addressed it with a bell cop. You know, the 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.920 forty nine ers they've got Trent Williams in a trade. 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:40.640 They like Trent Williams. They you know, they haven't need there. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.120 They're not. They didn't do anything else. Neither of those 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.520 teams did anything else. What the Bengals decided to do 0:11:45.640 --> 0:11:48.520 is not a that kind of money for that type 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.480 of the player. Instead, you know, try to try to 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.720 address multiple needs the Bengals had. Let's face, the Bengals 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:57.839 have many more needs than the Kansas City Chiefs in 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.520 the San Francisco forty nine ers. That's just the the truth, 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:02.760 that's just the nature of the beach. Let's turn to 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:06.880 the next defensive back that they signed, slot corner Mike Hilton. 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:09.199 We know all about him from seeing the Bengals face 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.480 the Steelers over the past several years. He's twenty seven 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:15.320 years old. He gets a four year, twenty four million 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.560 dollars deal, so that projects to six million per So 0:12:18.679 --> 0:12:24.839 basically a Wugier gets seven million a year, Hilton gets 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:28.600 six million a year. Added up thirteen million dollars. That's 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:32.360 still less than Will Jackson. You got two for you 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.719 got two for one, you know, in terms of the 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:39.400 dollars there, and for multiple years. And they're both two 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:45.000 years younger than Will. Right, Hilton's twenty, Wugier is twenty 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:49.040 five and Hilton's twenty seven. Right, No, and Wougier turns 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.440 twenty seven in June, so he'll be twenty seven in 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:56.360 time for next season, and Hilton is twenty seven. Will 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:01.800 will be twenty nine next year. So Hilton seven interceptions, 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.120 nine and a half sacks, and you know, forty one 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:09.040 pressures off the edge. So I mean, now you have 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:11.960 an element that caused the Bengals and other team's problems. 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:15.000 When Hilton comes, he brings it. I mean he's matched 0:13:15.080 --> 0:13:16.960 up on running backs and people like that, and he 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:21.000 that's a mismatch in Hilton's favor in the Steelers opinion 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.480 and probably uh Luna Ruma's opinion as well. So it's 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.880 going to be interesting to see how they utilized him. 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.320 You know, It's it's very interesting though, Dan. You know 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:33.199 the thing is, you almost have two free agent classes, 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:39.080 honestly because DJ Reader made a guest appearance, Trey Waynes 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.520 didn't make any appearance. So you've got basically this year, 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.480 you've got Trey Waynes, who they got paid a ton 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.040 of money to play corner, and last year's free agency market, 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:51.600 I mean they have they have basically a new secondary, 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:54.199 three three new starters out there, you know in the 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.640 secondary and Ogan Job as a three technique, hendricksoners and 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:02.840 defensive end. They have addressed that defensive football team in 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.000 the last two free agency classes where they felt like 0:14:06.760 --> 0:14:10.240 there's a deeper pool of defensive players to look at 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:14.040 to get better than offensive lineman. Well, let's turn to 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:16.600 Larry Ogan Job because that's another guy we've seen a 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.080 lot of over the past several years with the Cleveland Browns. 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.160 Also a member of the two thousand and seventeen draft class. 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:25.840 So that was the case with Hendrickson and a Wouger. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.600 Hilton was part of the two thousand and sixteen draft class. 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.680 But in any case, Larry Ogan Job turns twenty seven 0:14:32.800 --> 0:14:35.960 in June five and a half sacks, is an interior 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:40.840 defensive lineman. In two eighteen and two thousand nineteen story 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:43.480 on him is that, apparently he's a little bit inconsistent, 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:47.360 but he always played well against the Bengals. He did. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:49.480 I mean in eight games he had a one and 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:53.600 a half sacks, six tackless, lost four quarterback hits. He 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:56.600 was thorn in their side, and they moved to him 0:14:56.640 --> 0:15:00.160 Cleveland ended up, you know, moving him from a three 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:03.560 technique to a nose tackle. I thought that that they 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:05.720 did people a favor. I thought he was better as 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.680 a as a three technique and I think, you know, 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.920 outside shoulders guard pass rush guy, and I think that's 0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:13.760 where the Bengals, you know, are looking to utilize him. 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:18.000 They felt like, honestly, they were second second few as 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.240 quarterback sacks in the National Football League. Obviously that's a 0:15:21.320 --> 0:15:25.120 huge weakness. Where the Bengals had problems last year was 0:15:25.160 --> 0:15:29.320 in the trenches offensive and defensive line. So they've addressed 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.200 the defensive line in free agency, and you know, everybody 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.480 out there is gonna go nuts they don't get resigned 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:38.920 that they didn't do anything with the offensive line, but 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.040 they will address it in the draft. And no, still 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:46.240 I addressed U for depth defensive depth in the draft. 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.200 But I think in the early rounds it's gonna be 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.440 offensive oriented. There's no two ways about it, no question 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.080 about it. But I think Ogan joby is I think 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:00.600 it's a solid signing. You know, I I think I 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:03.480 think maybe Geno Atkins games the numbered. I mean, you 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.800 can't spend forty million dollars the defensive tackle with, you know, 0:16:06.920 --> 0:16:11.680 DJ Reader, Ogan Joebi, Gino Atkins, Daniels. Somebody's got to go, 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.720 and obviously I think Gino might be the guy to go, 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:18.480 unless he takes an enormous haircut. All right, now, let's 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.480 turn to some guys that the Bengals are reportedly talking to, 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.480 including a player that you've mentioned a few times already today. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.440 Riley Reef, veteran offensive lineman, former first round draft pick 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:31.200 by the Lions, spent five years in Detroit and the 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:35.680 last four in Minnesota. Thirty two years old. Pro Football 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:38.960 Focus calls him one of the most consistent offensive tackles 0:16:39.120 --> 0:16:42.560 in the league. So this obviously would be a significant 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:47.320 addition in the attempt to improve the offensive line. Yeah, 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:50.200 I mean a lot of things I like about him. Obviously, 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:52.320 he's on the back nine of his career. He's played 0:16:52.360 --> 0:16:55.560 a few years. They do need that veteran presence, you know, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.080 there's always a need for a veteran presence in the 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.920 offensive line, and he would divide that and for years 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:04.520 linebackers coming out of Penn State it was Penn State. 0:17:04.560 --> 0:17:08.400 You he comes off of Iowa. In my mind, that's 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.160 full lined. You. Kirk Ferns was an offensive line coach 0:17:11.200 --> 0:17:13.600 in the NFL at the Cleveland Browns and Baltimore Ravens. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:19.440 He knows his offensive lineman. He recruits offensive lineman out 0:17:19.440 --> 0:17:22.520 of high school with great talent to develop at Iowa. 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.840 They come out of Iola, I think, ready to play. 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:28.520 You know, suff is another example of an Iowa guy 0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.120 that was out there in free agency and he got 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.679 tagged by the Redskins. So there's there's we can go 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.520 over a litanya guys that have had success from from 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:40.199 Iowa in terms of the offensive line. Like you said, Dan, 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:42.560 it was the twenty third pick in the draft in 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:46.320 the first round coming out of college, so over thousand 0:17:46.320 --> 0:17:49.760 snaps last year, only had one penalty, committed one penalty 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:52.760 and gave up one sack. I think he's very intelligent. 0:17:53.200 --> 0:17:56.639 I think he's extremely durable. I mean he's dependable, he 0:17:56.720 --> 0:18:01.720 shows up. He's accountable, reliability, depending ability because the physical 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.120 aspect of it with the mental intelligence. And he's versatile. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.879 It's the position versatility. He can play left hackley to 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.199 play right tackle. So I think he would be a 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.760 great signing. Um. He's kind of kind of what you're 0:18:12.760 --> 0:18:17.960 looking for. And he was a stalary casualty the Viking 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.480 saved between eleven and twelve million bucks. I think it 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:24.240 was by letting him go. And I think his people 0:18:24.320 --> 0:18:29.400 probably feel like after Trent Williams, he might be the guy. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.440 So but it hasn't worked out that way, I guess 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:36.159 maybe necessarily. And the Bengals have him in town and 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.360 they're they're winding and dining him and trying to get 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:40.160 a deal done. It'd be great if they could get 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.760 a deal done with him, and then I think there'd 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:47.440 be a transposition of Riley Reeve comes and at that 0:18:47.520 --> 0:18:51.359 point Propy's heart would probably go, you can't It wouldn't 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:54.760 be keeping them, both of them out there in the 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:59.720 early stages of free agency when we were talking about possibilities. Obviously, 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:01.520 you know Trent Williams is at the top of the 0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:04.199 totem pole. He's getting twenty three millions dollars a year 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.080 from the forty nine Ers. That wasn't going to happen. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.040 Taylor Moden's name came up, he got tagged by the Panthers. 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:12.840 Darryl Williams name came up. He got a three year 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.760 extension with his team, the Buffalo Bills, So that really 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:21.159 thinned the available tackle market out pretty quickly. We mentioned 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:24.160 Matt Feiler, who signed with the Chargers for three years 0:19:24.160 --> 0:19:27.520 twenty one million bucks. From what's still left out there 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:32.240 as we speak, Riley Reif, Mitchell Schwartz, who got cut 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:40.520 by the Chiefs, Russell o'coon, Alejandro Villa Nueva. What appeals 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.240 to you most from that pack? Is it? Riley Reef? Yeah, 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:48.160 I mean I think they're I think they've got a good, solid, 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:52.200 solid guy there. I don't think the Minnesota Vikings wouldn't necessarily, 0:19:52.560 --> 0:19:57.640 you know, let him go if it wasn't just our capissues. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:59.600 They're in a little bit of cap jail and had 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:01.320 to make a I had to make a decision, had 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:04.520 to make a move. UH. I like him a lot. 0:20:04.640 --> 0:20:06.359 I mean, I think he's a I think he's a 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:09.360 really good player. I do think that that the uh, 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:13.760 the offensive line gaps got thinned out very quickly. I 0:20:13.800 --> 0:20:16.160 didn't think it was that deep as we talked about 0:20:16.720 --> 0:20:19.159 UH in free agency with the offensive line, and it 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:21.960 got pluck. If you have a good one, normally you 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:24.959 don't let them, you know, out there unless you have 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:28.800 situations with cap problems and and things of that nature. 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:31.760 And the guys on the back nine, because everybody, a 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:34.199 lot of the guys were talking about they have some 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.480 wear and tear on them. There's no question. I mean, 0:20:36.520 --> 0:20:41.600 I think Trent Williams, I think will probably be upper 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:45.440 cruss guy for a couple more years, maybe maybe three. 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.359 Um and and in the forty nine ers are like, 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.959 look we have this is our kneed Perry and creates. 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:55.359 This is what we're going to spend on. So he 0:20:55.440 --> 0:20:57.640 got the he got the enormous box. The one thing 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:02.080 that we talked about this a lot is okay, do 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:05.119 you go get the weapons or do you get linemen. Well, 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:08.960 in this down market, the two guys that get paid 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.320 were a left tackle and a guard. They hit the 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:16.359 jack pot because there weren't many of them and the 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:18.439 teams that had a need for them were willing to 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:24.320 pay significant dollars. I mean, they're paid. Their contracts didn't 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:27.480 diminish like people thought they might. It might be a 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:29.199 you know, a bad years. It's going to be a 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.119 bad year for some quite a few free agents, but 0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:34.760 the cream of the crop free agents. Not a bad 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:38.919 year for and who are the two highest paid offensive linemen? 0:21:39.400 --> 0:21:44.040 Who else get money? Edge rush guys, cornerbacks, it's a 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.560 passing lead going to protect them, that to be able 0:21:47.560 --> 0:21:51.280 to rush them and cover them. And yet the wide 0:21:51.320 --> 0:21:54.359 receivers buy and large, are not getting paid. And that 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:57.040 leads us to Kenny gala Day, who has a one 0:21:57.119 --> 0:22:01.119 year offer on the table from Cincinnati, reportedly the number 0:22:01.200 --> 0:22:04.359 one free agent wide receiver in this class according to 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:06.760 most of the experts. Head back to back one thousand 0:22:06.840 --> 0:22:10.840 yards seasons for Detroit two eighteen and twenty nineteen before 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:14.520 getting hurt last year. Career yards per catch average of 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.920 nearly seventeen yards a catch. He wants to get paid 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:21.400 like the top receivers in the NFL. You know, of course, 0:22:21.440 --> 0:22:24.320 to twenty million dollars a year. That's not happening for 0:22:24.359 --> 0:22:26.960 any of these guys with the cap going down. So 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:30.560 the Bengals have offered him a one year deal, basically saying, hey, 0:22:30.560 --> 0:22:33.119 come here, put up big numbers with Joe Burrow throwing 0:22:33.119 --> 0:22:35.560 you the ball, and then next year you can cash 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:38.440