1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Huddle on Giants 2 00:00:04,280 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: dot Com. Here we go, Here we Go on the 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: Giants Moblet, part of the Giants Podcast Network. We're back 4 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: for another edition of the Giants Huddle podcast. John Schmolke 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: with you today's guests from the NFL Matchup Show on 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: ESPN and of course NFL Films. He is Greg Coussel. 7 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: But first, just a reminder. You can find the Giants 8 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,320 Speaker 1: Huddle Podcast on the Giants Podcast Network, which is presented 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: by Investors Bank. You can find the archive of this 10 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: show on all of our programs at Giants dot com, 11 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: Slash Podcast on the Giants Mobile app, and on all 12 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platforms. And now we're joined by our guest. 13 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,000 Speaker 1: He is great to sell. You see him on the 14 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: NFL Matchup Show on ESPN, and of course you also 15 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: know him from his years at NFL Films. No one 16 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,199 Speaker 1: watches more film than he does. Great, we'll usually have 17 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: you at the combine. Now we get you a little 18 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: bit closer to the draft. Hope you've survived what's been 19 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: a very very hot last thirteen months since we saw 20 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,280 Speaker 1: you last. Yeah, no, I was just happy we played 21 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: football this year as I'm sure we are our John, So, uh, 22 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: you know, at least it feels somewhat normal. I know 23 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: it's not and I know for people that have unfortunately 24 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: had tragedies, it's certainly not normal. But I guess at 25 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 1: least in the NFL world, it's it seems a little 26 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: more normal. Yeah. Absolutely, hopefully we get closer to normal 27 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,199 Speaker 1: as as we go along. Here. Let's start with the Giants, Gregg, 28 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: because you know, we were a little bit taken aback 29 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: at how aggressive they weren't for agency and the number 30 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: of moves that they made. So we'll start with the 31 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: general question. Your overall reaction to what the Giants did 32 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: do in free agency. Well, I thought I thought they 33 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: did some good things offensively, I think, and Kenny Golladay 34 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: was big. Um. You know, the whole issue of what's 35 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: the number one receiver that that's just a term, that's 36 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: a platitudinous term. But you're obviously dealing with a big, 37 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: physical wide out, which is something they've not had. And 38 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: if you pair that with a player I like and 39 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: Darius Slayton, who certainly brings the speed element, I think 40 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: you have two receivers that give you dimensions. And then 41 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: you end up still with Sterling Shepherd, who's probably now 42 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: he's a slot receiver, and I think that's where he goes. Um. 43 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: I guess they signed John Ross as well. I'm sure 44 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 1: for most people, John Ross is someone who's viewed as 45 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: a bust, but uh, he's never seemingly been healthy. He 46 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: still can run, so that that's just one of those 47 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: signings that will see UM. You know, you're hoping Barkley 48 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 1: is back and healthy and can play a full season. 49 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: That's been a little bit of a challenge. Yeah, no 50 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: question about it. When you talk about a guy like 51 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: Gola Day, how can somebody with his skill set and 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,360 Speaker 1: you watch his tave Greg, I mean the contested catches. 53 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: He goes flat out horizontal, will make a lot of 54 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: these catches, maybe not the most separation, but the guy 55 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: makes big plays and he makes contested catches. How can 56 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 1: somebody like that helping offense and help a quarterback? Well, 57 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,000 Speaker 1: I think the league in many cases now, particularly with 58 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: an influx of bigger receivers. Uh. And and they'll be 59 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: smaller ones as well, And that's a fascinating part of 60 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: this draft. But overall, there's been a lot more big 61 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: receivers in recent years, they tend john to separate and 62 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:05,119 Speaker 1: create windows for quarterbacks versus man coverage in the same 63 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: way that smaller, quicker receivers do. So your point about 64 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: contested catches is true. Now, what that means for a 65 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: quarterback is a quarterback then has to be willing to 66 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: turn it loose. Uh, And very often that's something that 67 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 1: they have to work on as well, because they'll see 68 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: a receiver like Holiday who quote unquote may not be 69 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: open the way a received. A quarterback normally sort of 70 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,920 Speaker 1: associates open in his mind, but he is open, you know. Obviously, 71 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: Golliday just came from Detroit with a quarterback who was 72 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: as much of a turn at loose guy as any 73 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: we've seen in Matthew Stafford. He was going to make 74 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: the throws. So that's something for Daniel Jones, who don't 75 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: know the answer to that, because Daniel Jones has not 76 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: had that kind of receiver in his short time in 77 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: the league. But you have to throw the ball to 78 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: Goliday even if something in your brain says, well, he's 79 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: not really open because he's six three, six four, he's 80 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: a big body, and he makes a lot of contested catches. 81 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: We'll get back to for agency, but I think this 82 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: is a good time to talk about Daniel and I 83 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: guess the one thing I'll say Gret was we talked 84 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: about this when the Giants drafted him. The one thing 85 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: he had a Duke is that, frankly, his receivers didn't 86 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,480 Speaker 1: get open really because they weren't you know, top recruits 87 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: or anything like that. And as we've seen, and we've 88 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: seen the bad side of it too with with some 89 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: of the interceptions. He's not afraid to throw the ball 90 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: into tight windows and and try to make some big 91 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: time throws in the NFL. But I would think that 92 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: this would be a boon to him if he's able 93 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 1: to take advantage of his tools, right, yeah, without question. 94 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: And I think that that's something that he's going to 95 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: have to do, uh consistently, and that has to become 96 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: part of their offense. I mean, look, if you look 97 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: at Golladay and again nowadays in the NFL, you line 98 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,240 Speaker 1: up with receivers in different spots, but essentially Golladay to 99 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,039 Speaker 1: me is a big X and and and the boundary 100 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: X is the single receiver to the short side of 101 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,799 Speaker 1: the field. They very off been getting man coverage even 102 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: in his own concept, because the coverage more often than 103 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: not is cheated to the wide side of the field, 104 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 1: particularly if you have three receivers to the wide side 105 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:14,119 Speaker 1: of the field, so that boundary X receiver very often 106 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: he does not create a ton of separation, particularly in 107 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: a vertical type route concept. And you've got to throw 108 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:22,280 Speaker 1: the football because that's what you're looking for. You're looking 109 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:25,119 Speaker 1: for your six three six four wide out who weighs 110 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 1: two twenty pounds matched up against maybe a six ft corner, 111 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: maybe it's a five eleven corner. You know, you're looking 112 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: for that matchup advantage. The NFL is a game of matchups, 113 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: particularly to the boundary side of the field. How do 114 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: you view greg where Daniel Jones is now heading into 115 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: his third year, because if you look at the numbers, 116 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: and I think, and it's not their fault people that 117 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: from the outside looking and see all twelve touchdown passes 118 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: in a second year, Daniel Jones wasn't had a terrible year. 119 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 1: But then if you watch him, his turnovers went way down, 120 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 1: his deep accuracy went way up, his efficiency went up. 121 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: So to me, I think despite the fact the counting 122 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:05,040 Speaker 1: numbers and the production went down and look that counts. 123 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I do think you 124 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: saw a lot of improvements in in the little thing. 125 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: So your thoughts on where he is heading into year three, 126 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,919 Speaker 1: the most important things he needs to improve on to 127 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: take that next step. Well, I still feel like Daniel 128 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: Jones can be a quality quarterback. Um. I thought he 129 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: was really good as a rookie. I know he turned 130 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: it over at fumbles, but I'm talking about dropping back 131 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: throwing the football. I thought there was a certain amount 132 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: of poise to his play. I still think he plays 133 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: like that. You know, numbers are are one of those things. 134 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: They can they can happen for many different reasons. Um, 135 00:06:39,320 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: But I think in an ideal world, what what Daniel 136 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: Jones is at this point in his career is a 137 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: quarterback that's a piece of an offense. Now, obviously, when 138 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: you draft up player six, you ultimately want him to 139 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: be more than that. But they really haven't been in 140 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: a position where he can be more than that because 141 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: they lost Sparkley last year, so they had an inconsistent 142 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: run game. Um, they did not have quality wide outs 143 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: throughout the season. Um, they did not get a ton 144 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: of production from the tight end position. So at the 145 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: end of the day, I think with Jones you're still 146 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: counting on him to be a really efficient executor and 147 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: ball distributor. That's essentially what he is. John, Yes, does 148 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,680 Speaker 1: he have some movement ability, He's not a statue, and 149 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: then that's a nice trait to have, obviously, But I 150 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: think you're looking for him to be really efficient within 151 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: the context of a complete and multidimensional offense. So the 152 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: way I look at it, then, Greg and I'll get 153 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: the Barkley in a second, But to me, this offensive 154 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: line is going to be really important this year to 155 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: bringing the best out of Daniel Jones, because, as you said, 156 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: while he has great straight ahead speed, we saw him 157 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: some of those design runs, he's not the most elusive 158 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: guy in the pocket. So the jibe right now, at 159 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: least as of now. We'll talk about this with the draft. 160 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: I suppose are going into the year next year with 161 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: a pretty young offensive line group at Gates oh first 162 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: year at center. Last year, Andrew Thomas was a rookie, 163 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: Shane m You're a rookie fifth round pick. He was 164 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: a starter. They let call Kevin Zeisler. So does that mean, 165 00:08:07,960 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: as will hern end there's a right guard we don't 166 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: know quite yet. Are they gonna trust Matt Parrot, who 167 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: had a red shirt year last year to be a 168 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: starting right tackle? Is gonna be Nate Solder? So I 169 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 1: think that's whore on offense. I think we have the 170 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: most questions when you be an offensive on like this, 171 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: and you're Dave Gentleman, you're Joe Judge, how do you 172 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: balance giving the young guys a chance to seize these 173 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: jobs and win them, but at the same time have 174 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: a baseline level of play where you gotta give Daniel 175 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: Jones a chance to be successful. Yeah, that's a hard deal. 176 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: I mean because you look at someone like Matt part 177 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: who was a four year starter at Connecticut played both 178 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: right tackle and left tackle. I like his skill set, 179 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: I like his traits. I'm sure the Giants do too. 180 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 1: He's a big kid, he's got athleticism. He obviously played 181 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,080 Speaker 1: some snaps last year at the right tackle. He was 182 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,959 Speaker 1: in that rotation. I guess it was with Cameron Fleming, 183 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: who he rotated with last year, and there were some 184 00:08:58,360 --> 00:09:00,679 Speaker 1: games he played twenty five snaps. Some games he played 185 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: seven snaps. So in an ideal world, John you'd like 186 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 1: him to win that job and to really take a 187 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 1: step up because the athletic traits are there and size, 188 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: which he has a ton of. That's an athletic trade. 189 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: So you'd love to feel that, Hey, you've got Andrew Thomas, 190 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: your your high pick at left tackle improving, you've got 191 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: paired and right tackle stepping in. You'd like to feel 192 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: that you're set there. Um, but at some point you 193 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,479 Speaker 1: do have to let younger players play. You know, Hernandez 194 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:35,199 Speaker 1: is only going into his I believe, fourth year. Yeah. Um, 195 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: you know Gates, he was a free agent and he 196 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: was actually a tackle in Nebraska. Memory serves me correctly. Um, 197 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: they signed Zack Fulton, did they not? Yeah? So, I 198 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: mean he started in this league. Um. I I haven't 199 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: studied him and graded, you know, every snap of his 200 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: I've certainly seen him play. You know. I think he's 201 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: one of those guys that you hope you get the 202 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: better part of fall more consistently, because I think he's 203 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: been up and down. But you're counting on young players 204 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: that you've drafted. I mean, don't forget Thomas was the 205 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: first round pick. Pared was a third round pick. You're 206 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: counting on both those players to be quality starters, with 207 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: Thomas in particular to be an all Pro type at 208 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: some point sooner than later. Yeah, And I think that'll 209 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: be a big guy here. And then se Kwan is 210 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: the last part of this formula. Right. So I guess 211 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 1: the way Jason Garrett likes during his offense, Greg is 212 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: they're gonna want to try to run this ball and 213 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,960 Speaker 1: had everything in the past game come off that run, right, 214 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,600 Speaker 1: I mean, think of it this way. And I don't 215 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: know what Jason Garrett's gonna do, none of us know 216 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: that for sure. But think of the Cowboys in the 217 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 1: early years of of Prescott when the offense ran through 218 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott and and Prescott was he was a distributor, 219 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: he was, he was an executor. Now obviously he had 220 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: movement ability. But Jones can do that a little bit 221 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: as well. I think ultimately that's what they their offense 222 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: to look like, you know, certainly at this point in time, 223 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: until Jones continues to develop ideally and becomes the kind 224 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 1: of quarterback that you can ask to do more and 225 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: more in terms of volume throws, because that's really what 226 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:16,680 Speaker 1: you're talking about. What you're talking about is how many 227 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: times by choice do you ask Daniel Jones to drop back? 228 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: Let's assume the games are relatively close, and you're not 229 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: in games where he has to drop back forty five times. 230 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: You don't want to be in those games. So John, 231 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: the question becomes for the Giants, for Joe Judge, Jason Garrett, 232 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: is what's the ideal formula? How many times by choice 233 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: do you want Daniel Jones to drop back? My guess 234 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: is they do not want that number to exceed thirty. Yeah, 235 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: I agree. I think that's an ideal formula, and I 236 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: think that's how their offense ran last year, especially since 237 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: the defense played particularly well. They were top ten defense 238 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:51,839 Speaker 1: last year. Greg and I think this is a good 239 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: time to to angle there. And one of the big 240 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,200 Speaker 1: needs they had last year was finding a second quarterback. 241 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: They kind of had a rotating group of guys Isaac Yaddam, 242 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: Ryan Low with Julian Love at the end of the 243 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,679 Speaker 1: year in and out of that second quarterback spot. Not ideal. 244 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:06,959 Speaker 1: So they go out there, they bring in the Dorry Jackson. 245 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: Is he gonna give Patrick Graham some more freedom now? 246 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: Because I think we both thought when Patrick Graham got 247 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: to the Giants, he's coming from a man's scheme everywhere 248 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: he's been. But the Giants played almost exclusively zone, especially 249 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: late in the year last year. So was Jackson gonna 250 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: be allowed him to open up the playbook a little bit, 251 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,959 Speaker 1: having that second, more consistent starting corner. It's a great question. 252 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: I mean, they started the season playing man. I believe 253 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: they're open. It was Pittsburgh, was it not in Pittsburgh killed? 254 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: And when they were in man and they started to 255 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 1: move towards ow You're right, they played a ton of 256 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: zone last year. Um, you know when Dorry Jackson obviously 257 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: was a former I believe first round pick obviously is 258 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: very fast, he's small, he was very up and down 259 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: in Tennessee. Heard a lot that that's a question for 260 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,680 Speaker 1: this offseason. I don't. I wish I had an answer 261 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: for you, John. I wish I, you know, had a 262 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: crystal ball and could be really smart about it. I 263 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: think they would like to do that, But I think 264 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: that's a question mark. I think a Dory Jackson, his 265 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: ability to line up on a weekly basis and matchup 266 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: man to man against quality white out is a bit 267 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: of a question right now. I mean, obviously they signed him, 268 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: they view him as an upgrade. But I think even 269 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:18,080 Speaker 1: they would have to admit, which they won't. They don't. 270 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: You know, teams don't say this stuff. I think deep 271 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: down they would have to admit the era. They hope, 272 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: but they don't know. What do you think about the 273 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: general strategy that we've seen a lot of teams taken, well, 274 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 1: I think the Giants have to occurred just be the 275 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: market dictating it too. I don't know what they're thinking, 276 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: but they've kind of focused it on the secondary here. 277 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: They brought Logan Ryanan and the last year sign him 278 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 1: to a long term contract. Uh. He can play safety, 279 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 1: he can play a little bit of corner. Two. Uh, 280 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: they have you broke Peppers back there. They use a 281 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: second round pick on Xavier McKinney last year. They paid 282 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: James Bradbury last year, now Jackson. Uh, Donny Holmes was 283 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: a mid round pick last year. Kind of the focus 284 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: on the secondary now, greg instead of the pass rush 285 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: and trying to slow down opposing pass games. Well, that's 286 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 1: up to this point. There's you know, there's a draft 287 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: coming up. We'll see what they do. You know that 288 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: that's become the question over the last number of years 289 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: is to quote unquote what's more important pass rush or coverage? Now, 290 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 1: obviously in an ideal world, you want to be able 291 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: to be good at both. Um, the game has changed. 292 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 1: There's a lot more quick game, there's a lot more 293 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: three step drop, there's a lot more five step drop. 294 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: So the pass rush not that you don't want pass rush. Obviously, 295 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: there's still third and long situations where you need pass rush. 296 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:36,360 Speaker 1: But overall, I think there's an evolving nature and changing 297 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 1: nature to the game where there's a lot more quicker 298 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: throws and those throws need to be defended by your secondary, 299 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: not by your pass rush, because your pass rush is 300 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: not going to get there. So I don't know if 301 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: that's the thought process. You know, only they could tell 302 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: you that, But I'm just speaking to the evolution of 303 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: the NFL game as a whole. Yeah, no question about. 304 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: We see the Patriots invest that way and their teams 305 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: do it too. How about Leondond Williams. He's a guy 306 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 1: that the Giants had franchised last year. They decided to 307 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: bring it back long term. I don't know if anybody 308 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: expects him to get eleven and a half sacks again 309 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: defensive tackles. I did a study Greg. I think in 310 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: the last six years there's only one defensive tackle that's 311 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: had double digit sacks more than once. It won't take 312 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: him on the guests which one that is, because I 313 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: think everyone knows who that is. Might that be Aaron Donald? Yes, 314 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: it would be big surprise, I know. So your thoughts 315 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: on Williams impact, You know, Ken, you know he's running 316 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: on the Giants a pass rusher. How do you build 317 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: around that and build a pass rusher around a guy 318 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: like Williams, which I think the Giants actually did pretty 319 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: successfully last year. They had over forty sacks in the year, 320 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: which I think was better than what a lot of 321 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: expectations were. Well, there are multiple front defense, John, as 322 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, they don't just line up in their sub 323 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: with four across and it's the same four, you know, 324 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: two defensive ends to d tackles. Williams played all over 325 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: the front. They're going to continue to do that. I'm sure. 326 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: I think that's built in to Graham. His philosophy comes 327 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: from Belichick. Belichick has always been a multiple front defense, 328 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 1: you know, the whole Belichick philosophy, and of course Patrick 329 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: Graham can develop his own philosophies as well. But the 330 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: Belichick philosophy has always been multiple fronts and coverage consistency. 331 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: So you don't play a ton of coverages, but you 332 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: have multiple fronts. So I think when you talk about 333 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: Leonard Williams, yes, I guess he's listed as a D 334 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: tackle per se, but he played on the inside, he 335 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: played on the outside. I would expect them to do 336 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: the same thing. I kind of like the Ryan Anderson signing. 337 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: I thought that was under the radar. I liked him 338 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: coming in of Alabama. He wasn't a true true edge rusher, 339 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of ben the edge, get load 340 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: of the ground, that motorcycle lean as we like to 341 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: call it. But I think he's a quality player, and 342 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,840 Speaker 1: I'm really curious to see how they see him within 343 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: the context of this multiple front defense. So I think 344 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: that's the important point. Though They're not just gonna line 345 00:16:56,360 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: up Williams in one place. What did you think, Greg 346 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: about general job that Joe Judge and his coaching stid 347 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,280 Speaker 1: staff did last year. I think a lot of people 348 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:05,680 Speaker 1: were very impressed with what he got out of the 349 00:17:05,760 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: roster that he had in his first year as an 350 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: NFL head coach. I would agree with that. Um you know, 351 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: this was not a great roster a here Ago. They 352 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: know that. That's why they made a ton of free 353 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: agent signings. They're just trying to get better. I mean, 354 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,439 Speaker 1: at some point you have to have some talent. I 355 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:25,160 Speaker 1: think coaching is extremely important, but at some point to compete, 356 00:17:25,160 --> 00:17:28,040 Speaker 1: you have to have some talent, and they've tried to 357 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: do that. I personally think they've made some pretty good signings. 358 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: You know, we don't know until they start playing. Um. 359 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: I think so much as we spoke about a little bit, 360 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 1: Ago is dependent on this old line. You know, because 361 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: if you look at this offense, you're dealing with a 362 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: quarterback who's a six pick in the draft. You're dealing 363 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: with with a back who was a second pick in 364 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:49,600 Speaker 1: the draft. The big free agent signing was Gola Day. 365 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: You know you you drafted Andrew Thomas, he was fourth right. Yeah, 366 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 1: So I mean they're addressing issues now. These players they 367 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: have to perform, you know, It's that's just the way 368 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 1: it is in this league, and you have to give 369 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: guys opportunities. That's always talking about a parent and right tackle. 370 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: He's the third round pick. When you draft the third 371 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: round tackle, he's got to play by his second year. 372 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: You know, so they need these guys to play. So 373 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: now it comes down to that these were the players 374 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 1: they drafted, so they have to play. And that's that's 375 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: where they are right now. Limited Giant season tickets are 376 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 1: on sale now for the season. In addition to ticket savings, 377 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:33,399 Speaker 1: membership benefits include access to exclusive events, experiences, pre sales, 378 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: and more. You can lock in your seat starting at 379 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: just one hundred bucks. 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But do you think 398 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: any of the guys in the zed rusher class are 399 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: true top ten worthy players in a normal year in 400 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: an NFL draft. I think one is, but he's got 401 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 1: issues that will drop him out of the top ten. 402 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: But yes, Jalen Phillips, Yes, yeah, me too. I think 403 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:49,119 Speaker 1: Jaitlen Phillips is the best edge pass rush prospect in 404 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: this draft, particularly in a four three front, because he's 405 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: a defensive end. I think he came in at six 406 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: five and a half to sixty. You know, when I 407 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: watched his tape, I thought to myself, God, a guy 408 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: like Mike Zimmer would just be drooling over, you know, 409 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips. That's the perfect fit. You know, the Sean 410 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:08,200 Speaker 1: mcdermotts would be drooling over Jalen Phillips. But he's had 411 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: some issues of both. And again this is just with 412 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: what I read. You know, I don't interview these kids. 413 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm just sitting here watching the tape. John, Um, you know, 414 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: I know that some view him is having character issues. 415 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: I know he's had some medical issues, but I think 416 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: if he was a totally clean player, I think he'd 417 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: be a top ten, top twelve guy. All Right, so 418 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: let's break it down there. Let's throw the quarterbacks out, Greg, 419 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: We'll we'll fill him in the in the bin for now. 420 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 1: We'll attack him at the very end. Just in terms 421 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: of where the Giants might pick, how do you see 422 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: the non quarterbacks in this class? Who are the elite talents? 423 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 1: To you that the Giant fans should be sitting there 424 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: with their hands folded at a PM on the Thursday 425 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 1: saying please fall to us at number eleven. Guys, Oh, 426 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: well that that's hard to know. I mean, I'm not 427 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: good at that stuff, John, I would tell you that. 428 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: I think that too best. I guess if you're if 429 00:20:55,600 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: you're pushing quarterbacks aside, I think that Kyle Pitch and 430 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: Jail and Waddle, based on my tape study, are the 431 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,399 Speaker 1: two most fascinating players in this draft. They won't be 432 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: there at eleven. Why is that, Well, Pitts is it 433 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: doesn't matter what two letters you put before or after 434 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: his name. Pitches are receiving weapon. Uh. And I think 435 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 1: in today's NFL, with the multiple offensive formations and the 436 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: fact that players who are quote unquote tight ends line 437 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: up anywhere, I think Pitts is is remarkable. He's a freak. 438 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: I mean I saw today because he's having his pro 439 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,719 Speaker 1: day that they put up his numbers relative to Mike Evans, 440 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: and his athletic numbers are better than Mike Evans. And yeah, 441 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 1: so you can you can do whatever you want with Pitts. 442 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,159 Speaker 1: He's a freak. Um Jail and Waddle to me is 443 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. And I think we see the value of 444 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 1: Tyree Hill in today's NFL, and I think the game 445 00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,959 Speaker 1: is going to move toward that, and it has already. 446 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:05,120 Speaker 1: With shorter receivers, smaller receivers who you can line up anywhere. 447 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: You use them on jet sweeps or but reverses the 448 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,439 Speaker 1: multiple wide receiver screen game, you get them in space, 449 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: they can win vertically. I think jayal and Waddle fits 450 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: that to a t. There's many receivers in the draft 451 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: like that. Uh. They're not all Waddles the best of 452 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 1: the bunch, but you have a Mari Rodgers. You've got 453 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: your Darius Tony, You've got Elijah More of Mississippi State. Um, 454 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's a bunch of those kinds of receivers 455 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: who I now think have far more value to me anyway, 456 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: based on my watching the NFL game and seeing how 457 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 1: it's evolved. This is the bit we've had here on 458 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: our various shows. You have waddle head of Davante Smith 459 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: and Jamaar Chase. I guess my question would be, why 460 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: do you think he's better? In addition to what you 461 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: already spoke to about Javonta. Smith is an outlier. He's 462 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: a hundred seventy pounds, so you have to understand what 463 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: he is. He's a really good receiver. I mean that's 464 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: not the point, but he's he's long, thin, he's silky smooth. 465 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: He's linear, he's not loose hipped in in the way 466 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:13,400 Speaker 1: you think of smaller, lighter receivers. He's tall and angular, 467 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: so he's he's an outlier. He's six ft plus and 468 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 1: a hundred and seventy pounds, So to me, he's a 469 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: movement z. You need to get him in motion, you 470 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,360 Speaker 1: need him off the ball, you need him with free access. 471 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: I watched eight Alabama games from two thousand and nineteen 472 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: and probably ten Alabama games from this year because they 473 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: had so many players. Obviously, John, I felt like I 474 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: was watching them. You know. I think I would wake 475 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night saying, I have 476 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 1: to go watch Alabama again. Now you know um. And 477 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: there were snaps where he was the boundary X, which 478 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,239 Speaker 1: means he's on the line of scrimmage where he got 479 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: pushed out of bounds by college corners. Now, it didn't 480 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: happen twenty times, so I don't want people to think, oh, 481 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: you know, but you know it did happen, and these 482 00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: are college corners. So to me, I think he could 483 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: be a really good receiver. But I think you need 484 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,600 Speaker 1: him to be able to freely release off the line 485 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: of scrimmage to get into that stride lane because there 486 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: he's almost like running backs that we described as having 487 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 1: kind of a darting slashing style. He runs routes that way. 488 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: He's not a sink your hips, you know, jew kind 489 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: of route runner because he's so long and high cut. 490 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: How about your more Chase, Well, I love you, mar Chase. 491 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: I think I mean as a pure receiver. I think 492 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 1: he's the best. UM. You know when I felt that way, 493 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: I watched him last summer, UM when I was home, 494 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: as many of us were. UM, I watched him last summer. 495 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,920 Speaker 1: I think I watched you know, eight or nine games, 496 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: and I think Jamar Chase has a pure receiver, is 497 00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: the best wide receiver in this draft class. He will 498 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: not be there at all of it. Yeah, though he 499 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: will not be I agree with How about the two 500 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 1: top offensive lineman? Do you see Rashawn Slater as an 501 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 1: offensive tackle? Do you see him more as a guard? 502 00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 1: And Penny Soul? I think it's interesting. I think you 503 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: look at him and you see the measurables and you 504 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: understand what he can be. But I think there's a 505 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: question as to what he is right now. Do you 506 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,399 Speaker 1: think that? Well, I'll say this because you know, I 507 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: don't want to say anything out of school. Seul is 508 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 1: the one guy I have not watched yet. OK, fair enough, 509 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,240 Speaker 1: though I'm not going to comment on him. I watched 510 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: every other I've watched probably fifteen offensive tackles, the guys 511 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: who didn't play this year. I've got this thing in 512 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,200 Speaker 1: my brain, John, where it's like, oh, do I really 513 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: want to do that, you know today, So I just 514 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: haven't gotten a sewel yet, but I did do Slater, 515 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: You have to think. Here's the way I think of it, 516 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: and I'm I don't want people to think I'm an 517 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,680 Speaker 1: offensive line douru. I'm not. You know, people I know 518 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,479 Speaker 1: who are offensive line guys tell me I know more 519 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: than I probably think. But I just it's one of 520 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,800 Speaker 1: those positions. I just you know, I do my best. 521 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: You know. Um, I would say that you gotta line 522 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: up with sixty four offensive tackles every week, and they're 523 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: not all gonna look like Joe Thomas, you know. Not 524 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: everybody's gonna be long with sweet feet, So you still 525 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: got to line up with offensive tackles. So this this 526 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,880 Speaker 1: thing now where everybody looks at an offensive tackle who 527 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: does not have sweet feet and does not have ideal 528 00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: length and says he's a guard. Well, in that case, 529 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 1: you're gonna have two offensive tackle prospects. So I think 530 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: you gotta put guys an offensive tackle. You know, Slater 531 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,520 Speaker 1: to me, is an offensive tackle. There, A Tuck is 532 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,720 Speaker 1: an offensive tackle. You gotta you gotta line them up there. Now. 533 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 1: To me, of the guys I've seen and everyone but Sewell, Basically, 534 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,520 Speaker 1: I like Christian Darisaw as the as the top offensive 535 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: tackle prospect in this draft class. That's the way I 536 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: see it right now. Interesting, and you think he would 537 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: be worth the pick at eleven for the Giants that 538 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: they want to if they want to go in that direction, 539 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're gonna go with Thomas and 540 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: Paired as their TI. I mean, that's I think that's 541 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. No, and I frankly I agree 542 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: with me. And again I'm not making a judgment as 543 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: to what I think they should or shouldn't do. But 544 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: I think when you addressed in in the last draft, 545 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: the tackle position at number one and at number three, 546 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: unless the guy at eleven is the guy you have 547 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 1: is the third best player on your draft board, and 548 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: we don't know what their draft board looks like. We're 549 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 1: not gonna know what their draft board looks like. That's different. 550 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: But if if you pick at eleven and the first 551 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,399 Speaker 1: offensive tackle is the ninth best guy on your board, 552 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you draft an offensive tackle. That's just 553 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: my opinion of how the draft works. But you know 554 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: what do I know? All right? Last one on the 555 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: draft and I'll get you one generic one before we 556 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: say goodbye. Grade. Thanks again for the time. Um. Best 557 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: defensive players in this draft in your opinion that you 558 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,360 Speaker 1: think could really be impact players? Um, in this year's class. Oh, 559 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: I've seen so many, John, give me some knees. Okay, 560 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: I'll throw out some a bunch for you. Uh, certain Parsons, 561 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: all right, I think we can start with those two 562 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: and and maybe even J. C. Horne. I'll throw in 563 00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: the mix there for you if you want, right, Uh, 564 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: if we're gonna look at corners. Um, again, this is 565 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: in the eye of the beholder. Um. I like Patrick 566 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: Sartan the most. But again, it's not as if you 567 00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,399 Speaker 1: know he's way up here and everybody's dead. You know. 568 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 1: I like Ertan. I think the kid was born to 569 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: line up and play mirrormatch press man. He just looks 570 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 1: like it's the easiest thing he's ever done in his life. Um. 571 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: You know, Uh, I think Farley is and again, putting 572 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: aside the second back surgery, who knows what that means 573 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: in our teams will respond to that. But I think 574 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: Farley is a better pure athlete than certain. You know, 575 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: he's built their height and weights very similar, but Farley 576 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: is built much more powerfully. He's a more powerful looking athlete. UM, 577 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: so some are going to say that his ceiling will 578 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: be higher because he just looks like more of an 579 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: athletic stud um. Horn is another guy you know, and 580 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: all these guys can play press. The only concern I 581 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: have with Horn, another guy with really good traits overall, 582 00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: is he tended to be very handsy and grabby, and 583 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 1: that's gonna have to change. In the NFL. He will 584 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: have to change or he's gonna get called for penalties. 585 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: So I'm not saying it can't change. It will change. 586 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: The question is how quickly. But you're dealing with three guys. 587 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 1: Newsom's another guy who's played a lot of neror match 588 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: press man, very smooth player. Um. The bottom line is 589 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and I know the Giants played a 590 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: ton of own. I don't think Graham wants to play 591 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: that higher percentage. I don't think anybody does. I think 592 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: corners in the NFL, the baseline is you're going to 593 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: have to play man coverage at some point and be 594 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: able to do it well. I should ask you about 595 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,360 Speaker 1: the quarterbacks very quickly. How many you think go off 596 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: the board before the Giants. I know you're not in 597 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: the prediction business. I know that up in your bed spot. 598 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: I know their quarterbacks. John, Come on, okay, okay, I'll 599 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: ask you this. Do you think, based on what you've 600 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: seen from the class, that the talent justifies that many 601 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 1: quarterbacks going off the board ahead of the Giants? How 602 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: about I ask it that way? Wow? Um, Look, no 603 00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: quarterback comes into the NFL as a finished product. So 604 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: you're you're drafting a quarterback based on what you believe 605 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: he will become and how you see the league trending. Um. 606 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: You know, Lawrence is obviously a big kid, very good 607 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: arm um, a little bit of a body thrower. I'm 608 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 1: curious to see how he handles inside pressure. He tends 609 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: to rush his mechanics a bit when when he faces 610 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: inside pressure. We've seen that in the playoffs the last 611 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: two years, and he becomes a little scatter shot. Um. 612 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: Wilson is fascinating, and that he's has what you look for. 613 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: He's got a live arm, not a power arm, but 614 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: a live arm. He's got movement ability. There was only 615 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: one game this year in which he was in an 616 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: environment that he'll see more often in the NFL where 617 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,600 Speaker 1: he faced pressure that was against Coastal Carolina. He did 618 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: not handle himself particularly well. Um. Trey Lance, to me 619 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 1: is a very fascinating guy because he played in an 620 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: offense where he played under center a Ton. He's the 621 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: most refined and advanced when it comes to the convention 622 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: a play action pass game, turning your back to the 623 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: defense and then having to snap your head around. That's 624 00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,920 Speaker 1: a learned trade, John, because amazingly enough, in the NFL, 625 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: the defense is not in the same place after you 626 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: snap your head around as it was before you turned 627 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: your head around. They actually move, believe it or not. 628 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: So it's a learned trade to understand how to respond 629 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: to that. So he's the most refined and advanced in 630 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: that regard. Fields is just phenomenally gifted. Um, He's almost 631 00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: like just a little smaller Cam Newton. He's phenomenally gifted. 632 00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: But there are some questions about the speed with which 633 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: he plays. Is he a little deliberate? The tape shows 634 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: everything I'm saying is a function of tape. By the way, 635 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: these this this is not just my opinion spouting. This 636 00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: is I've watched at least eight games of every one 637 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: of these guys, some of them I watched in two 638 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen tape as well. You know, so there are 639 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: questions a little bit about his field vision. Sometimes that's 640 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: a tough question to answer because you don't know exactly 641 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 1: how he's coached in college and what he's asked to do. 642 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 1: So you're responding to what the tape shows, but you 643 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: don't know how he's coached. And then how about Mac Jones. 644 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 1: You know that a lot of people think, oh, third 645 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: pick overall, Kyle Shanahan's all in. Look, I think I 646 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: feel really good about that. He's going to be a 647 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,480 Speaker 1: pretty good NFL quarterback. Greg. I just don't know what 648 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: the upside is there given his physical traits. Well, I 649 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 1: think with Mac Jones, you you have a decision to 650 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: make unless you believe he's Tom Brady and I'm not, 651 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: you know, And maybe there's teams who believe that, because 652 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: none of us know how teams think. Or Drew Brees 653 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: one of the other right, right, exactly. Although Drew Brees 654 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 1: was a great athlete, that's a good point. He was. 655 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,760 Speaker 1: Mac Jones is not a great athlete. So the question 656 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: you would have to ask yourself about Mac Jones is 657 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: do you believe in today's NFL that the ability to 658 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: move as a second reaction player. I'm not talking about 659 00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: design boot, so I'm talking about moving in reaction to 660 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: the defense. If you believe that that is now essential, 661 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: and some teams will see it as essential, others may not. 662 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: But if you believe it to be essential to play 663 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: the position now, then mac Jones is not your guy. 664 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: If you don't believe it's essential and that you can 665 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: work around it with whatever it is you do, then 666 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: you might feel very strongly about mac Jones. Look I 667 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: one of the reasons, in my view anyway, that the 668 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brady's that Brady is Brady. One of the reasons. 669 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 1: There's many reasons why Brady is Brady, obviously, but one 670 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: of the reasons is as he played more and more 671 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: and and don't forget the game change he's been playing 672 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: for so long, but he wins before the snap of 673 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 1: the ball, and that takes time in the NFL that 674 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: you don't step in week one and win before the 675 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 1: snap of the ball as a quarterback. So Brady can 676 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 1: negate and and minimize a lot of the pressures. But 677 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: even in the in the NFC Championship game, there was 678 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 1: a pressure off his front side unblocked, he threw the 679 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,040 Speaker 1: ball for grabs and Jerry Alexander intercepted it. You know, 680 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: he didn't have anything else he could do there, whereas 681 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: if you have movement ability, you might have something else 682 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: you could do. So you just have to decide how 683 00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: important that kind of movement is to you, because I 684 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: don't care what Mac Jones forty time was. He's not 685 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: a great athlete. All right, final question, Greg, and I 686 00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: will preface this question by saying, at this time last year, 687 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: we all thought the Eagles and the Cowboys are the 688 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,479 Speaker 1: front runners of the end. The two teams were playing 689 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,360 Speaker 1: catch up and then of course at the end of 690 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: the year, it's completely flopped from where we thought it 691 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 1: was going to pay. So just your early way too early, 692 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: And I'm not holding you to anything. You say, look 693 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: at what the NFC Eastern is and how it might 694 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:54,600 Speaker 1: breakdown in Uh, boy, that's a tough call. I mean, 695 00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys actually have a pretty good team 696 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: and I was really I was kind of disappointed that 697 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: that DK Prescott couldn't play because I think he's really 698 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: developing into a high level quarterback and now coming off 699 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: a major injury. Who knows from what I hear. You know, 700 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: we know he's a great kid and he's working really hard. 701 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: But I really thought he was developing into truly a 702 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: high level player. And they've got a lot of weapons. Um, 703 00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 1: I guess their defense man, who I know? I know, 704 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: it's there was a major issue. You know, every team 705 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 1: is flawed. Let's put it that way. It's a very 706 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 1: difficult division as we as we head into April, you know, 707 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,640 Speaker 1: in April fools here, it's a very difficult division to 708 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: handicap right now because every team has concerns and we 709 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: still have a draft, so we don't have those concerns 710 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,880 Speaker 1: will be addressed. Let's just hope that one of the 711 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: teams manages to get over five this year. That would 712 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: be nice to see. Greg. Good stuff, my friend, I 713 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: really appreciate. It's always a pleasure talking to you. Best 714 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,439 Speaker 1: of lucking and tell the folks where they can find 715 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:00,919 Speaker 1: you a work, where they can find you on Twitter 716 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: or anything else that you're up to. Well, actually, I'm 717 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,279 Speaker 1: doing this thing and it's coming out tomorrow, both as 718 00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,480 Speaker 1: an app and as a guy, which will continually be 719 00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,440 Speaker 1: updated for a company called Fantasy Points. Dot com. I'm 720 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 1: their draft guy, so uh, they'll probably be when all's 721 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 1: said and done, because I'm still watching tape. We're still 722 00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: a month from the draft. You know, probably be a 723 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: hundred seventy seventy players that I end up evaluating, um 724 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: in great detail. I don't know, John, if you've seen 725 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: my evaluations, you probably have I do them in great detail. 726 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: I don't watch, you know, one or two games. I 727 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: don't want YouTube highlights. I sit and watch full games. Well, 728 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,360 Speaker 1: we look forward to it, and Greg, we obviously the 729 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: reason I have you on because we respect the hell 730 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:40,440 Speaker 1: out of all the evaluation and the work that you 731 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,120 Speaker 1: put into it. Thanks so much. We'll talk to you soon, 732 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: all right, all right, and appreciate it. That's great because 733 00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: so again the ESPNNFL Matchup show and you can find 734 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: them NFL films as well, and you can find them 735 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,799 Speaker 1: in the check out. All his work does a great job. 736 00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the john S Little Podcast on 737 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,320 Speaker 1: the John's Podcast Now we're presented by Investors Bank on 738 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 1: the Giants mobile app at Johns dot com. Slash podcast. 739 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,800 Speaker 1: I don't know your favorite podcast platforms for an Apple podcast, 740 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,480 Speaker 1: Please do a five star positive review if you like 741 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: what you're here for, Greg, I'm Schmalk. We'll see you 742 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: next time on the Giant Tunnel.