1 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie. Oh yeah, in Samantha, and welcome 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: to stuff. I've never told your prediction of I hiar radios. 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: How stuff works. Did you play soccer as a kid, Samantha. No, No, 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: Well I came up a very small town, so the 5 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: only sports we ever had were baseball, softball, football, basketball, 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: end of story, and maybe some tennis. I guess. Yeah, 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: soccer was no, no soccer and el soccer and l J. 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: That's funny. I do remember, Um, I played soccer, and 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:46,480 Speaker 1: I remember it being this kind of battle to even 10 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: get funding because all the funding goes to football, right, 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: which is confusingly North American football. Right again. I think 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: I think people know what we're talking about, um, and 13 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: it's it's sad because I was really competitive for a 14 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: while when I played, but when I became like a teenager, 15 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: I was so insecure about my body and my ability 16 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: that I quit. It kind of goes back to the 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 1: impossible goal, but also just yeah, pretty much I got 18 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: breast and then I was like, no, I'm embarrassed, and 19 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: it still bums me out. But in college, my roommate 20 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: had a poster of Mi a Ham Yes, and I 21 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: remember occasionally just being really happy like that that post 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, I'm feeling like, yeah, get it, get it, 23 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, bend it like Beckham. It was fantastic, one 24 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: of my favorites. I haven't seen that so long. It's 25 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:47,600 Speaker 1: been a while. Yea. Um, but yes, the reason we're 26 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: talking about this is the U S women's national soccer 27 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: team just won the Women's World Cup. Let's get equal pay. Yeah, 28 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: that's what people started chanting. And the team and the 29 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: USA they're they're about to meet up with some of 30 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: the female senators. Yeah that awesome. Well, congratulations to them. 31 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: So number four, number four, number four one. Oh, it's like, no, 32 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: they're number one. Therefore World Cup wink, they are number four. 33 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: And yeah. While this has been happening, while everyone's been 34 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: watching this, a lot of issues around equality and sexism 35 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 1: have played out. Um. I remember there's all the talk 36 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: that they celebrated too hard. It was like not sports 37 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 1: and sportsman. Yeah, uh huh. And then um, immediately after 38 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: they won the equal pay chanting um. And there have 39 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: been so many reasons for so long that are untrue 40 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: about why the women on the team don't get equal 41 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: pay and number one being the women's team doesn't generate 42 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 1: as many viewers as the male team, but the final 43 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: game of the nineteen Women's World Cup rated as one 44 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: of the highest in soccer history when it comes to viewership. 45 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: I think one of the other recent reports they've made 46 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: more money, yes, they did, for than any than the 47 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 1: men's team. They absolutely did. UM And you know, you 48 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,519 Speaker 1: know when the last best showing for soccer in the 49 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 1: US was, I'll tell you the FIFA Women's World Cup 50 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: final UM And this year's viewership is higher than the 51 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: men's final. UM And the US men might not have 52 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: been in that game, which is another point we could make, UM, 53 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: but that's still pretty huge, right yeah. The team filed 54 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit, the women's team against the US 55 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: Soccer Federation, asserting they get paid less than their male 56 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: counterparts for the same work and that they were expected 57 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: to work under worst conditions quote for substantially equal work 58 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: and by denying them at least equal playing, training, and 59 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: travel conditions, equal promotion for their games, equal support and 60 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: development for their games, and other terms and conditions of 61 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: employment equal to the m n T the prize. Let's 62 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: talk about that. The prize for the men's World Cup 63 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 1: was four hundred million dollars, while female players will receive 64 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: thirty million dollars this year. That's I mean Snoop Dogg 65 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: said it paid women. He said, if Snoop dogs, I 66 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: mean snoop Dog chimed in, He's like, what the hell, y'all? 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: That was my impression. I'm sorry, this is all right, 68 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: me just saying it as me pretending like it would 69 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,360 Speaker 1: have been something Snoop dog would have said. But it's not. 70 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: But Snoop Dog, I get you. I hear you. I 71 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 1: got you. That same year, women's matches generated over a 72 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: million more dollars in revenue than men's. The US men's 73 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: team failed to even qualify last year and doesn't have 74 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: the same record of success that the women's team does. 75 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:11,280 Speaker 1: So I'm just, uh, they're so awesome and like seeing 76 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: them and being vocal and like all about equality and LGBTQ. 77 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: Plus it's been such a trail and him so's it's 78 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 1: like seeing that me a hand poster all over again, 79 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: and I'm so happy and they're inspiring and congratulations, congratulations, 80 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: but let's get them some equal pay, equal pay. Welcome 81 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: to stuff Mom never told you. From House Supports dot Com. 82 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to the podcast I'm Kristen and I'm Caroline, 83 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: and to celebrate Women's History Month, which is March, by 84 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: the way, Yes, and also to explore questions that we 85 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: hear directly from stuff Mom Never, all the listeners, and 86 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:06,040 Speaker 1: also just from ourselves about how to become female trailblazers, 87 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: gender equality instigators, and fearless rabble rousers. We're presenting this 88 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 1: month long mini series we're calling change Makers, and before 89 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: we get to today's fabulous and inspiring change maker, we 90 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: want to give you a little bit of background about 91 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: how this series came to be. Yeah, let's talk about 92 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: the makers and change makers, because all of this was 93 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: inspired by our trip to a women's empowerment conference hosted 94 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: by Makers, which is a platform from a O. L. 95 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: Glorious dynam Is. It's godmother of sorts and Makers is 96 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,359 Speaker 1: the largest video collection of women's stories. And at this 97 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: fantastic conference, Caroline and I had the opportunity to chat 98 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: with a few of those makers who were personally driven 99 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: to change your environments and ultimately change the world hashtag 100 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: in BG. But we realize how change making can seem 101 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: in timid dating. I mean, how do you start? What 102 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: if you earnt a celebrity or a corporate superstar. What 103 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: are the transformative tools that we all have, regardless of 104 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: where we are in life, regardless of whether we're podcasters 105 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: or not. Well, thankfully we have resources like Makers that 106 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: showcase all of these female role models whose stories and 107 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: insights demonstrate not only what incredible societal impacts women can 108 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: create even today, but also how each of us can 109 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: find our voices and our authentic paths towards success for 110 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,280 Speaker 1: today and for the future. So with that, let's get 111 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: to change making. So, Caroline, the theme for this mini 112 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: series episode is Motivation Matters. Yeah, we're talking to the 113 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: incredibly motivational Abby Wombach, and I find her to be 114 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: incredibly motivating because I don't know when the last time 115 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: was that I heard someone who was just so determined 116 00:07:59,120 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: to make waves. Yeah, I mean, she's motivating, but she's 117 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: also one of the most motivated people I think I've 118 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:12,080 Speaker 1: ever met. And the combination of her motivation and the confidence, 119 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: the sheer confidence that she has to back it up 120 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: is something I think that we all can learn from 121 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: because for those of you who don't know, Abby Wambach 122 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: is one of the best soccer players in the sports history. 123 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: She scored more goals in international games than any other player, 124 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: male or female. She's incredible, and she recently retired, and 125 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: she has this massive platform and the kind of platform 126 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: and connections that seem so out of reach for folks 127 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: like us everyday folks. Um. But when we talk to her, 128 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: she also offered so much practical insight into the things 129 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: that you and I can be doing every day to 130 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of become our own Abbey wandbox you know what 131 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: I mean? Well, yeah, and I mean Abby Wamba. Part 132 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: of how she became Abby Wambach has to do with 133 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: her upbringing. She's the youngest of seven kids, and so 134 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: she really pushed herself not only to just keep up 135 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: with her siblings, but to be able to get any 136 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: attention in that huge group of people. Yeah, as the 137 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: youngest of five kids, I could relate to this. Um. 138 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 1: She talks about how she has a bunch of brothers, 139 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: and I think she has four brothers, and she would 140 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: kind of have to endure harassment, sibling harassment from them. 141 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: They would often play hockey and she would be the 142 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: keeper and they would just like pelt the hockey pucks 143 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 1: with them. They would also pull pranks on her. But 144 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: she had this drive growing up that resonated completely with 145 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: my experience as the baby in the family, where she 146 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 1: never wanted to win just because they led her. She 147 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: always wanted to win fair and square, and so that 148 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: competitive edge was there in her from the get go, 149 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: and not surprisingly, that translated right to the soccer field, 150 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: where she started playing when she was a kid and was, 151 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: you know, immediately at the top of her game growing up. 152 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: And I think it was in high school that she 153 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: really started developing her signature style of heading the balls. 154 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: She's known for scoring via heading, which as someone who 155 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: played soccer for a couple of years and I grew 156 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: up with soccer players all in my family, that just 157 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: amazed me, because I mean, I'm just not great at 158 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: heating the ball. To be able to do what the 159 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: kind of force that she does, you literally have to have. 160 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,199 Speaker 1: You have to be um hard headed, hard headed, yes, 161 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: thank you. I was like strong, will, No, that's not right, 162 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: hard headed. And thanks to that hard headedness and that 163 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: incredible innate ability. In two thousand four, she was further 164 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: motivated in Athens, Greece to lead the US women's Olympic 165 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: soccer team to an overtime gold medal victory against Brazil. 166 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 1: And four years later she was motivated again to heal 167 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: from a fractured tibia and fibula, and that sidelined her 168 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: at the Beijing Olympics and she had to sort of 169 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: learn to be able to sit back and let others 170 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: take the lead. And for those of you who didn't 171 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: tune into that Women's World Cup, in the semifinals, the 172 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: US was playing Brazil and they were down, and Abby 173 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: Wombach and her incredible heading skills and just general skills 174 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 1: was able to score and tie things up, sending the 175 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: game into overtime, and then I think it went into 176 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: penalty kicks, and of course the US won. They were 177 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: later defeated by Japan, But that US Brazil game was 178 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: just stunning to watch. Yeah, I mean, And in just 179 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: a year later she was named FIFA's Women's Player of 180 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: the Year, so I mean, which is honestly no surprise 181 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 1: because of all of her internal dry have all of 182 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: that motivation that led her up to that point, and 183 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: ever since announcing her retirement in October, Wamback has a 184 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: new and even boulder motivation. Um She's talked about how 185 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: her life was so shaped by Title nine, um which 186 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people might not realize that Title nine 187 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:26,560 Speaker 1: was actually not intended to even the playing field for 188 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: girls and women's sports. But because of that outcome, you know, 189 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: it enabled her to go to high school and play soccer, 190 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: and then go to college and obviously continue playing and 191 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: have access to soccer or for our European listeners, to football, 192 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: having access to those kinds of sports. And so now 193 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: she's been through the system, she was at the top 194 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: of the professional sport, and now that she's retired, she's 195 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: described her next big thing that she's clearly still to 196 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: eloping as titled ten. Yeah, she has had the chance 197 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: to meet now that she's retired. I mean, I don't 198 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,319 Speaker 1: know if she's actually sat down or or like rested 199 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: for a minute, but she's had the chance to meet 200 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: all sorts of executive politicians, just leaders in this country 201 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: and in the world who have helped sort of open 202 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: her eyes to things like the gender gap. And she 203 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,199 Speaker 1: even visited the White House and when Obama met her, 204 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: part of what he told her was that playing like 205 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: a girl means playing like a badass. Obama, Yeah, spoken 206 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,680 Speaker 1: like the father of two daughters. Caroline, I'm sure that 207 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 1: meeting President Obama was quite a thrill, but I mean, 208 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: I would think that her opportunity to meet a couple 209 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: of lady podcasters was I mean, so far the highlight 210 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: of just I'm gonna just say everything. You know, Yeah, 211 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: I can see how we we can really play a 212 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:02,040 Speaker 1: role in her continued motivation. Absolutely congred urban pushing Wombach 213 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: to be even more incredible. But you know, we we 214 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: loved the chance to talk to her. She's a fantastic 215 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: woman who's again and Kristin already said this, but I 216 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: think it bears repeating. Her confidence is is out of 217 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: this world. It's it is really inspirational to see a 218 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: woman who just absolutely has and I'm apologizing for this 219 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: this pun, but she's got her eye on the ball. 220 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: I know, I know you love it, Carolyn, I'd say 221 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: that pun was a goal. Thanks. Um, Well, so yeah, 222 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: let's let's jump into our conversation with Abby and and 223 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: find out kind of what's on her mind as she 224 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: enters retirement. Still getting used to saying former and right 225 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 1: now I am figuring out how exactly I'm going to 226 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: change the world, because that's what I'm gonna do. That's 227 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: who I am. I don't understand why people wouldn't want 228 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: to positively influence our culture. Are our daughters, our mothers, 229 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: our brothers, our sons, um and I think that I 230 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: have a unique opportunity and a platform to be able 231 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: to do that in a really progressive way. That stands 232 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: and uh and so it's going to be an interesting 233 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: couple of years figuring it all out. But that's that's 234 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: the beauty of life, you know, trying to figure it 235 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: all out. So in addition to her massive platform, which 236 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: by the way, now includes her own Barbie Doll, I mean, 237 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 1: I feel like you know you've made it when you 238 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: have your own Barbie Doll Caroline. Quick question also, I 239 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: don't want to get too far away from Wombach, but 240 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: if you had your own Barbie Doll, Like, what would 241 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: be the Caroline Barbie Doll accessories? Uh, let's see, she 242 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: would be carrying a corgy and a sandwich. Yeah, I 243 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: think that would be Corgy in a sandwich like that 244 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: is separate hands though you can't, like, I mean, unless 245 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 1: it's like a really well behave corky that could put 246 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: the sandwich on its head. Silence it obviously if you 247 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 1: do it in the same hand, Corky is gonna eat 248 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: the sandwich. But that would kind of be cute to watch. 249 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, well, that's the Barbie Doll Caroline. Um, 250 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: I will preorder when it comes out. Um yeah, I 251 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: considered to be part of it's Lady Power, Lady Power sandwich. 252 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: But back to a wombuck. She has this lofty goal. Obviously, 253 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,280 Speaker 1: she wants to create this thing that she's calling titled ten, 254 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: which is essentially attacking the issue of the gender wage gap, 255 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: which is all around the world alive and not so well. 256 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 1: And in order to do that, it's gonna take a 257 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: lot of coalition building, obviously, and so we wanted to 258 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: ask her about how team building and also serving as 259 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 1: the captain of her team on the soccer field will 260 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: translate into starting this movement, because I mean, she definitely 261 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: has the individual qualities of a leader. When she was 262 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: talking to a O l CEO Tim Armstrong, for instance, um, 263 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,640 Speaker 1: he asked for like three words that people who knew 264 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 1: her would use to describe her, and without missing a beat, 265 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: she just said loud, fearless, and a winner. I need 266 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: a little wombach in my life, but I think, yeah, 267 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: I think we all need a little Wombach in our lives. 268 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: And I like to though that when she talks about 269 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: team building and pulling people together, like she she's very 270 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,640 Speaker 1: clear that we need all sorts of people represented. She's 271 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: been quoted as saying, you know, we need men at 272 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: the table too, we need people of all different backgrounds. 273 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 1: And so when we asked her about what she was 274 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,960 Speaker 1: going to do in terms of using her team building 275 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: experience to try to change the world, she gave us 276 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: some great insight. But she also corrected me on my 277 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: use of the word try. You have to effectively find 278 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: out what motivates, eats and in each individual and at 279 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 1: the same time still adhering to the collective goals in 280 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 1: which you set forth as a collective. And and it's 281 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:27,320 Speaker 1: not easy by by any stretch. It's it's very difficult 282 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: to um to motivate and find what motivates people. It's 283 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: a hard thing, you know. I know parents are around 284 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: the world struggle to do that themselves. But the truth 285 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: is is the beauty of it all is in that 286 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 1: form of motivating or trying to find out what motivates people, 287 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: all you are really hoping to do is for them 288 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: to learn about themselves so they don't need external motivation, 289 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: so that they can motivate themselves to be their best, 290 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: best self. And to correct you, UM, I'm not wanting 291 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: to change the world. I'm going to change the world. 292 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: And I think that that's a very very unique and 293 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: important justification because I will not let myself fail at 294 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: that because I think it's too important now. In terms 295 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: of failure, Wombach has experienced it personally obviously losing games, 296 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: sometime getting injured and not being able to go to 297 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: the Beijing Olympics UM, and she's also experienced it on 298 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,160 Speaker 1: the on the receiving end in terms of the failure 299 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 1: of professional soccer to level the gendered playing field. And 300 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: even before she retired, Wombach was and obviously still is 301 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: extremely vocal, especially on pay equity for female players, because 302 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 1: the disparity between what male professional soccer player will make 303 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: versus a female professional soccer player UM is so dark. 304 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: If we just look at the World Cup payouts. For instance, 305 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: the total Women's World Cup payout is fifteen million dollars, 306 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: which nothing to sneeze at, but the total payout for 307 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: the men's World Cup five hundred seventies six million dollars. 308 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: That's a difference. That is a difference. I think according 309 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: to our math skills, Caroline, that is a big difference. Approximately, 310 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 1: that's approximately, give or take a giant difference, a giant gap, yes, 311 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: the giant pay gap. Um yeah, I mean when you 312 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 1: look at what's going on with women's soccer compared to men's, 313 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: it is a stark difference. Like you said, um, a 314 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: first division women's soccer player makes nine point six percent 315 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 1: less than comparable professional men's players. And this kind of 316 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: gender discrimination is even reflected in the subpart artificial turf 317 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: of the women's World finalists had to play on. And 318 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: there's even been a gender discrimination lawsuit brought against FIFA 319 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,520 Speaker 1: to get the women on natural grass. And that might 320 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: seem like a quibble of oh, well, who cares whether 321 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,719 Speaker 1: you're playing on AstroTurf or natural grass, And the answer 322 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: is it changes everything. Well, not to mention that there 323 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: was that one recent incident where they showed up to 324 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: play on turf not grass, and not only was it 325 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: not up to par, but I mean there were rocks everywhere, 326 00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 1: scoff's holes. They couldn't play on it. Yeah, I mean, 327 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like those kinds of conditions are just flat 328 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: out dangerous. And in speaking again to h A O 329 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: L CEO Tim Armstrong at the Maker's Conference, Wombox said 330 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: it cost zero dollars to treat somebody equally, And that 331 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: fires me up. Why is this still happening? I'm piste off. Yeah, 332 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she's really zeroing in on this pay gap 333 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 1: issue in her retirement. I mean, we well, we keep 334 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: referring to it us her retirement, but it doesn't sound 335 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: like she's slowing down or heading to boker or anything. 336 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: You know. She she's talked about the need for real 337 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: equality for all people and has even pointed out something 338 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: that you know, we've sort of touched on in a 339 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 1: lot of Sminty episodes, which is the idea that people 340 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: are brought up thinking women are inferior. And so she's 341 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: really kind of putting her flag in the ground, saying 342 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: this is my issue and I'm going to tackle this. 343 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: And we want to get her perspective too on managing failure, 344 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: especially as you're working towards such a lofty goal, because 345 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:37,840 Speaker 1: the thing is closing that infuriating gender wage gap also 346 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 1: requires confronting gendered notions of female perfection and learning, especially 347 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: as girls and women who are socialized to avoid risk 348 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 1: taking and fear to understand how to manage that in 349 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,280 Speaker 1: a healthier and and kind of more successful way in 350 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: the long term. I think that that's a really great point, 351 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: especially because now that we're fighting for positions of power, 352 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: whether it's the oval office or positions on executive boards, 353 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:15,040 Speaker 1: whether it's the token one female in the executive boardroom. UM, 354 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,640 Speaker 1: women are expected to be perfect and fit this perfect 355 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:25,160 Speaker 1: quote unquote system, this this image I think that men 356 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 1: have created for us. My my personal belief is the 357 00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: more times you fail, the more you learn. UM. It's 358 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: not easy because because um knowing what society like believes 359 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: in in terms of um perfectionism. From a female's perspective, 360 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: you we all have high standards, you know, uh. And 361 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: I think that that's a positive, but it also can 362 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: hurt us in some ways because when you do fail, 363 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 1: it's never about what you fail or how often you feel. 364 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: It's always always about what you do when you're when 365 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: the failure happens, How how you react. That's your character, 366 00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: That's who you are. You know, when when you feel 367 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 1: one time you learn, it's experience. You turn the page 368 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: and you move on. And the faster you can move on, 369 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: the quicker the learn will happen, the quicker that experience 370 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: will set in, and the more respect you will get. 371 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: Because the truth is is most guys out there, they've 372 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: been punched in the face at recess. Right. Where they 373 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: get their respect is if they get up right. Where 374 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: they get their respect is how they get up. Where 375 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: they grow their character is what they do after when 376 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: after getting punched in the face metaphorically speaking of course 377 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: or literally, I don't want to playground violence. We actually 378 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 1: I think recess is now gone, So bring recess back 379 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: to the schools now. Of course, getting back up is 380 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,640 Speaker 1: easier when you have a good support network, and arguably 381 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: Wombach has had a large one since childhood. You know, 382 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: we mentioned her six siblings already, but we really wanted 383 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: to know what relationships have been critical for getting her 384 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: to this milestone in her career and life. Well, that's 385 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: a huge thing. You are, You are, You are the 386 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:19,919 Speaker 1: environment you surround yourself with, and you know, as you 387 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: grow older and for me, as I've gotten a little 388 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,440 Speaker 1: bit more famous quote unquote famous, I wouldn't even call 389 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: myself famous. But you know, I've been able to meet 390 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:32,800 Speaker 1: amazing people, amazing people that that have changed the world, right, 391 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,119 Speaker 1: and so I just picked their brains. I put myself 392 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 1: in environments where, um, I can learn as much as 393 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: I can. But my support system is is surely my 394 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: friends and family. Um. You know, I'm so lucky to 395 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: have the people that I've had surround me over the 396 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: last four months, you know, even since the World Cup ended. Um, 397 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: it's been a journey. It's been a it's been a 398 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: real journey. Because when you've done something for thirty years 399 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: and then you kind of strip away from that, you know, 400 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: you wonder who you are because I identified so much 401 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: of myself as a soccer player and to shed that 402 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,720 Speaker 1: a soccer player's skin and now recreate and re grow, 403 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: so to speak, the skin of you know this older 404 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: more wise uh more pretty uh woman. It's been it's 405 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 1: been daunting, and so you need the people around you 406 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: that that that can mirror for you, right. UM, I 407 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000 Speaker 1: don't need somebody to tell me what to do. I 408 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: need somebody to mirror me so that I can see 409 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,640 Speaker 1: what I'm doing and and from that mirror I can 410 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: then make those decisions moving forward to to be more 411 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 1: positive and happy. And the thing is, Wombach is so 412 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: motivated and so extremely confident, but she's also logical. I mean, 413 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:06,160 Speaker 1: she realizes that everything that she's saying is a bold declaration, 414 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:10,240 Speaker 1: but it is inspiring to hear her breakdown how that 415 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: motivation factor and all of its individual components can ignite 416 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: the Wombach level of passion that all of us can practice, 417 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: regardless of say, our athletic ability or history making talent. 418 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: We don't have to all have our own Barbies as 419 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,679 Speaker 1: much as Caroline. I really do want a Caroline Barbie 420 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: as soon as possible. Um, but we don't have to 421 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: be at that level to start practicing these things and 422 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 1: fueling our own motivation for the long term. Yeah. Again, 423 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: the confidence and single mindedness is really inspiring from Abby. 424 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: She doesn't settle. This is not a woman who settled, 425 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 1: she told Tim Armstrong interr Maaker's interview. I know, no 426 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: matter what I do, I'm going to be good at. 427 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: But that's not good enough. Apparently that's not good enough, 428 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: she says, I want to be the best. It's going 429 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: to be changing the world and fighting free quality. So 430 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:10,959 Speaker 1: everyone has equal opportunities small goals, small goals, small goals. 431 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: But I do I love it. Like you said, she 432 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: really does break down how we can all stay motivated, 433 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,080 Speaker 1: whether it is to become a world a top of 434 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: the world soccer player, or whether it's just to sort 435 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: of motivate yourself moment to moment throughout your day. Caroline, 436 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: do you think that, um, starting now, if I really 437 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 1: fuel up my Wambach level passion and get on that 438 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: soccer field, I can make it. Yeah, make it. I'm 439 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: sure it's just like muscle memory, right, you know, to 440 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: starting to head the ball again. Well, you know, while 441 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: I was playing soccer though as a kid, I was 442 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,560 Speaker 1: also taking ballet, So I don't know which muscle memory 443 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: will be revived. Okay, well you don't do the pirouetting 444 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: on the field, Okay, to save the pla A is 445 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: for later, which is mode that we should all live. 446 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: So let's hear a boy from Womba. You know, I've 447 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: played I played soccer for thirty years. So the last 448 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: five or six weeks, um, I've been meeting with a 449 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: lot of people. I've been doing things like that, uh 450 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: and and like this. So for the last couple of weeks, 451 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: I've kind of just turned turned my brain off. I've 452 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: had things here and there that I've done, and it's 453 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: been really interesting because if you're out there and you 454 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: struggle to find any motivation or you struggle to figure 455 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: out what your next move or next step is going 456 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: to be, that's okay because I've been doing that also, 457 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, and people look at me as this aspiring 458 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: athlete who overcome overcame challenges and now is going to 459 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: take on and spearhead this change the world equality thing. Um. 460 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,640 Speaker 1: But you know, I'm I'm a human being too. I'm 461 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 1: not like, I'm not like looking at myself every night 462 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: in the mirror, motivating myself like, come on, how do 463 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: you can do this tomorrow? I don't do that. You know. 464 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm a person and I have fears and questions and 465 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: curiosities not just about the world, but about myself. And 466 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: I think that that's so important. Too often people immortalized 467 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: and and and put idols and famous people on pedestals 468 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: that we don't deserve. I may be tall, I may 469 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: be a little seem over most women and men, but 470 00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: the reality for me is I'm I'm human and I'm 471 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,720 Speaker 1: I'm scared in moments too, and it's not easy to, um, 472 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 1: to sidestep some of that fear and to go after 473 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: something that you really truly believe in. Because that's my 474 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: my belief is if you're passionate about something enough, you 475 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: believe in yourself enough, then those steps that you take 476 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: towards that passion, towards that goal will will happen. And 477 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: sometimes it's scary to take the first step, but I 478 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: promised that second and third and fourth step will be 479 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: so worth it. Um, take it from me. I've I've 480 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: gotten up, I've I've failed, I've stayed down a little 481 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: bit longer than maybe I should have. But all that 482 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: stuff is good. It's like it's real, deep seated good 483 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: stuff that you will carry with you for the rest 484 00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: of your life. And you know, even now I'm talking 485 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: and I'm motivating myself to get excited about working out 486 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,720 Speaker 1: later today. Um, and that's a very trivial thing, right, 487 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: I'm talking about changing the world. But then some people 488 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: have to scale that back. I don't have the platform 489 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 1: Abby has, Like, how does this relate to me? Listen, 490 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: you have to motivate yourself every day to eat well, 491 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,479 Speaker 1: to sleep enough hours to exercise, and those are really 492 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: really important factors at being a healthy, successful, happy human being. 493 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: Otherwise everybody would be happy, right, everybody would have a perfect, 494 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,000 Speaker 1: beautiful life. Not everybody does because it takes work, It 495 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 1: takes it takes failure, it takes you know, success, it 496 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: takes all the different things. And once you bundle bundle 497 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: that all up in a little package, hopefully you're older 498 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: and and and wiser and you have and you have 499 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,959 Speaker 1: a good and happy life. And it seems like a 500 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:10,040 Speaker 1: lot of what underlies Abby wombox success and her confidence 501 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: and motivation moving forward is a lot of self awareness 502 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,840 Speaker 1: to I mean, yes, she has achieved so much. She's 503 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: a world class female athlete with few qualms for calling 504 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,959 Speaker 1: out gender disparities, you know, but she's also an LGBT 505 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: athlete who has been so comfortable with herself and her orientation, 506 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: to the point that when she and her partner got 507 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: married and there was obviously some media buzz over it, 508 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 1: she didn't really understand because she's like, there was never 509 00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: really like a coming out moment for me. I've always 510 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:47,040 Speaker 1: just really been myself. Um, And even the way that 511 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: she describes herself like she she's clearly able to recognize 512 00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: where she might have some faults, but also how that 513 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: feeds into her strengths. Yeah, she admits that she is, 514 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 1: as she put it, this is these are her words, 515 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: not ours. I'm a control freak, know it all, But 516 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: she says, I'm sneaky about it. I think I know 517 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,320 Speaker 1: what I'm doing. But I'm lucky I have the ability 518 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: to step back. It's important, again, as we've talked about, 519 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: to have that self awareness, and she really considers her 520 00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: compassion and her drive to understand others experiences as two 521 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: of her biggest strengths. So all of this is happening, 522 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 1: you know while really the world is watching, and there 523 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: are so many girls, especially out there, who see Abby 524 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: Wombach as a role model. And I can only guess 525 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,400 Speaker 1: that as she continues her work and doesn't plan on, 526 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, stepping back from her public visibility at all, 527 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: the role modeling will only continue. So we wanted to 528 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: talk to her about the responsibility that she feels regarding 529 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: role modeling and kind of what impression she hopes she's 530 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: leaving with everyone. I'm the number one thing um I 531 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,120 Speaker 1: hope to role model is that you can be yourself. 532 00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: You can be excellent at what you do. You can 533 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: win championships, you can break records, you can be literally 534 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: the best in the world at what you do, but 535 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 1: none of that will mean you're a good person. You 536 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: have to you have to earn that every single day, 537 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: and it's how you treat the people amid being the best, 538 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: the best goal score winning championships. So I always like 539 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: to bring myself down to ground zero and remind myself 540 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: that being a good person is the most important quality 541 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:41,919 Speaker 1: that you can possibly have. And if you can have 542 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:48,799 Speaker 1: those qualities within all of the confines of having a successful, 543 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: happy life, then then you've got You've kind of figured 544 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:54,839 Speaker 1: it all out, you know what I mean. And it's 545 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 1: not always easy. You know, sometimes people who aunk their 546 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,040 Speaker 1: horns in New York City really annoy me U and 547 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: I get angry quickly. Um. But the truth is is 548 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: that every single day is another opportunity to prove what 549 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 1: kind of person you are. And and I try to 550 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: prove that I'm a good person every single day, and 551 00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm not successful at it. You know, some days I 552 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: I am too lazy, some days I'm too crazy. I 553 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: don't even know what. But um, every every single day 554 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,279 Speaker 1: is another opportunity to prove your worth and and who 555 00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: you are and who you want to be. Well, thanks 556 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: you advanced for changing the world. Yeah. Well, Caroline, I 557 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: gotta say that it's comforting to know that Abby Wanpac 558 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: has those those kinds of emotional ups and downs in 559 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: a way of getting angry clearly about issues like maybe 560 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: not being paid as much as her male counterparts and 561 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: just an equality that she sees within society at large, 562 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: but that she can channel it, and that we can 563 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: channel that kind of anger into two powerful things, into 564 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 1: entire movements. Yeah. And I think if we all could 565 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: have even an ounce of Abbey's single minded confidence and determination, 566 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we could all feel better about our 567 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: opportunities that we have and seizing our opportunities to change 568 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 1: the world around us. Yeah. I mean, in terms of 569 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 1: the theme of motivation matters, it seems like after talking 570 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,680 Speaker 1: to Abbey, yes, there's that threat of motivation throughout her 571 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,920 Speaker 1: whole life that has led her to this point, but 572 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: there's also the connection between self awareness and motivation, So 573 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: it seems like self aware motivation matters. Yeah. Being able 574 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,800 Speaker 1: to recognize your weaknesses or failings and instead of feeling 575 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: bad about them or letting them trip you up, just 576 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,280 Speaker 1: saying I'm just going to compensate for them in other ways, 577 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: or you know, whereas they might be viewed as negatives, 578 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: just viewing almost as a natural part of yourself that 579 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: you know, you're just going to almost work around them. Yeah. 580 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 1: And and also to the factor of being motivated, yes, 581 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: for yourself, warts and all, but also being motivated for others. 582 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it really seems like it was a transformational 583 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: experience for her to have to take a step back 584 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,400 Speaker 1: in two thousand and eight when she was injured and 585 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 1: watch her team and be motivated for them, and clearly 586 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: that same it's it seems like she's only spreading that 587 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: farther because I feel like Caroline, she's motivated for all 588 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,839 Speaker 1: of us, all of our like girls and women, and 589 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's what a leader is. Someone who's 590 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: so driven, but not only driven to benefit themselves, but 591 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:47,879 Speaker 1: driven to make changes for the better in the lives 592 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: of others. Caroline, I really feel like we are now 593 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: introducing Abby wanback presidential candidate. It sounds like a good idea. 594 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: Maybe she should pinple that in if she's talking about 595 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: all these world leaders Yeah, just go ahead and hop on, 596 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: hop on in that mix. Yeah, and that hots too well. 597 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: Thanks so much to Abby Wombach for talking to us 598 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 1: and now listeners. 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