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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome into the Tuesday edition of The

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. We obviously have huge

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Speaker 1: news to break down with you today. You all know

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Speaker 1: about the raid on President Trump's Moral Lago residence, the

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Speaker 1: home of the former president, and Clay and I are

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Speaker 1: going to dive into this because this isn't just a

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Speaker 1: turning point I think for the midterm elections. This is

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Speaker 1: a real moment, a gut check moment for the country

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Speaker 1: about what will happen. Here's what's our future. I'll just

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Speaker 1: say this. I was on the on the couch yesterday

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Speaker 1: after a pretty long day and I'm in my I

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Speaker 1: was honestly in my pajamas because I'm one of these

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Speaker 1: I like to change when I get home into pajamas.

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Speaker 1: I'm a pajamas guy. And I'm sitting there and I

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Speaker 1: get a text message from a former White House employee

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration as soon as this thing breaks

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Speaker 1: and he I just remember looking at my phone. I

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Speaker 1: was like, wait, what you know. It was just a

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Speaker 1: moment of just belief. As soon as he gives me

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Speaker 1: a quick update that this is real. This is this

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Speaker 1: is happening, that the FBI. Dozens of FBI agents are

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Speaker 1: at the marl Ago home of former President Trump. I

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Speaker 1: call Clay. I'm trying to get through to Clay, just

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Speaker 1: because I know that this is gonna be. We're putting

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Speaker 1: out the bat signal. This is gonna be. Clay, is

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Speaker 1: where you were at at football? Was picking up? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: I was picking up my son at football practice. So

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Speaker 1: usually you know, I'm plugged in and you know, got

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Speaker 1: Football practice has started for my middle schooler, and so

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Speaker 1: I was making sure I picked him up and finding

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Speaker 1: out how practice went and everything else. And I saw

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Speaker 1: I looked down, I saw I missed a call from you,

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Speaker 1: and then I got the text message and my phone

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Speaker 1: starting to blow up. Like a lot of people out there.

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Speaker 1: It was like a havelet people reacting. Everyone. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then Fox Fox asked me, you know, how quickly can

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Speaker 1: The scooter has its advantages. Clay was on to change

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Speaker 1: out of the pjas, get into a real, real normal

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Speaker 1: grown man working clothes, and hop on the scooter and

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Speaker 1: head right down to Fox studios. Indeed, Jesse's I was

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Speaker 1: on Jesse water Show last night as the news is breaking.

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Speaker 1: Clay was on Sean Hannity Show last night to break

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Speaker 1: down what's going on. So let's let's just start with

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Speaker 1: the This is completely outrageous. This is a crossing of

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Speaker 1: the rubicon. This is a bright red line that they

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Speaker 1: have gone beyond here. And it seems to me that

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Speaker 1: it sets this up where there are really only two options,

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Speaker 1: and Clayton I Am going to break there. There's the

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Speaker 1: politics of this, the legality of this, the national security

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Speaker 1: discussion about the documents. Here's what they're saying. The aim

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Speaker 1: right now is that the DOJ was on an urgent

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Speaker 1: basis needed to get into moral lago because of records

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Speaker 1: that the National Archives says are classified and are in

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Speaker 1: Trump's possession. Now this stretches back into February. They already

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Speaker 1: they already went through a whole bunch of this, and

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Speaker 1: meeting with a world leader, let's say, and what is

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Speaker 1: classified documents. Now the class that's what the basis for

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Speaker 1: this is. They are asserting right now that it is

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Speaker 1: not related specifically to January sixth, which was a surprise

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Speaker 1: but that is what the claims being made in regime

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Speaker 1: are two possibilities here. One, this was a thuggish style

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Speaker 1: or weeks them say, well, fine, whatever, we hate Trump

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Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter that we did this to him,

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Speaker 1: or they've put themselves in a place where they do

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Speaker 1: What say you? I was stunned when our conversation started

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Speaker 1: last night because to me, when you get a warrant

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Speaker 1: people in criminal related endeavors before charges and whatnot, certainly

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Speaker 1: never on a presidential level. Phone number one eight hundred

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Speaker 1: you that my two first thoughts were who signed the warrant?

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Speaker 1: That was my first question, like who signed the warrant?

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Speaker 1: And what are they attempting to uncover based on that warrant?

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Speaker 1: And let me just kind of give everybody out there

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Speaker 1: A search warrant requires probable cause and it has to

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Speaker 1: looking for these specific things, and we believe that they

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Speaker 1: is the FBI Director, and Attorney General Merrick Garland, given

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Speaker 1: the sensitivity of this warrant request, would be briefed, informed,

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Speaker 1: We don't know if they went. Sometimes you go to

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Speaker 1: the warrants themselves secret warrants the truth. Yeah, the FISA court,

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Speaker 1: they were entirely secret and kept from public view. And

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Speaker 1: we didn't know that those were not based in fact

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Speaker 1: and what is required to me? You asked, said, there's

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Speaker 1: So they intend to charge Donald Trump with a crime.

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Speaker 1: That's as soon as I saw this raid. And Buck,

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like these are effectively buck trumped up

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Speaker 1: And as I said, there's there's only two options here.

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Speaker 1: a moment. There has been no indication Clay that there's

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Speaker 1: It was my life. Hillary Clinton, this is not a

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Speaker 1: classification documents. And the apparatus said, nobody would bring this charge.

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Speaker 1: something that happens in Banana republics all the time. Buck.

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Speaker 1: We have never seen anything like this in a modern era,

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Speaker 1: They're telling you right now, wait until all the facts

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. They don't get the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 1: after all of the emoluments clause, the tax evasion allegations,

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Speaker 1: all the things they've said about Trump, every time they

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Speaker 1: it's real, this time it's different. I'm sorry. They don't

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Speaker 1: I am seeing people on the right who are saying, well,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, President Trump is actually the Russian

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Speaker 1: They finally got him. Now, full crap, No way we're

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Speaker 1: this stunning news from yesterday of the raid on former

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Speaker 1: other hand, they we have to remember they are still

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Speaker 1: suffering from Trump to arrangement syndrome. The lib apparatus hates

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump more than they have hated any politician in memory.

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Speaker 1: And I think that, maybe you know, ever in the

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Speaker 1: history of the Republic, certainly while I've been alive, that

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Speaker 1: means that they're they're irrational. You can't trust these people.

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Speaker 1: Well worse than that too, Buck. Did you see the

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Speaker 1: video Joe Biden couldn't put on a jacket getting off

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Speaker 1: the helicopter yesterday Today he tried to shake hands with

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Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer twice within the span of about five seconds,

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Speaker 1: like a goldfish, appearing to forget that he had just

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Speaker 1: shaken hands with Chuck Schumer. The reason why I bring

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Speaker 1: that up is what you're asking requires a competent, logical,

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Speaker 1: fully functioning Joe Biden brain to be able to analyze

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Speaker 1: all the permutations of the choices that he's making. I

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Speaker 1: don't think Joe Biden can do that right now. And

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Speaker 1: so what does run Claim do? What does Kamala Harris do?

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Speaker 1: What does the apparatus that is currently running our country do?

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Speaker 1: And I also think maybe we talked about this at

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Speaker 1: the top of this an hour. Do you buy into

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Speaker 1: the idea that Joe Biden has no clue the White

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Speaker 1: House said, oh, we found out about this raid on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Do you buy into the concept or the idea that

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Speaker 1: Merrick Garland is helping to get a warrant to investigate

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump and no one inside of the Biden White

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Speaker 1: House knows about this at all? Zero chance? Yeah, Biden,

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Speaker 1: Biden knows. Garland obviously signed off on this at some level, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, just for the f I just don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Marrek Garland, the Attorney General, does this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he has the stones personally to make

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Speaker 1: this choice without the White House knowing that he's making

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Speaker 1: this choice. Right, Well, this is where you see the

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Speaker 1: independence of the DOJ is to borrow from Captain Jack

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Speaker 1: Sparrow or no, actually it's not cap it's the other

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Speaker 1: guy from the movie. It's more of a guideline than

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Speaker 1: a rule. You know, yes, there's it's really it's a

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Speaker 1: little bit like recusal. People say, oh, you have to

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Speaker 1: recuse yourself. That's a judgment call, and lives generally don't

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Speaker 1: recuse themselves on a politically important cases. This is why

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Speaker 1: Trump was furious with Jeff Sessions over Russia collusion stuff,

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Speaker 1: because he said, you gotta be kidding me. You're feeding

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Speaker 1: me to the wolves over this one. And on this Yeah,

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Speaker 1: technically speaking, Merrick Garland, first of all, they should have

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Speaker 1: if this is the real if this is a real

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Speaker 1: issue at this level, Clay, of course they should appoint

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Speaker 1: a special counsel. Yes, but they don't want to appoint

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Speaker 1: a special counsel because they want to keep political control

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Speaker 1: of it. That's right. And I don't buy I understand

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Speaker 1: they're going to say publicly the White House is we

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Speaker 1: had no idea about this. I do not buy that

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Speaker 1: there's a pre dawn raid of the man you just

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Speaker 1: beat and competed against as president and may well be

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Speaker 1: running against again, and you had no clue what was

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Speaker 1: happening until you opened up a Twitter machine and saw

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Speaker 1: the news breaking. We're gonna play you a clip of

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Speaker 1: a CNN legal analyst we just read you, Andrew Cuomo,

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Speaker 1: Fox News. This just happened on CNN this morning, one

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Speaker 1: in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. We're breaking down, frankly

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Speaker 1: unprecedented the raid on President trump'smar Lago estate. And there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of legal analysts who are weighing in,

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Speaker 1: many of them to their credit, making an awful lot

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Speaker 1: of sense. And Buck, you know this guy from CNN.

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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with him that much in terms of

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Speaker 1: what he's been capable of or what he said he

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Speaker 1: was trying to say. He reminds me of an Eric

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Speaker 1: Clay where there were not necessarily people who were right

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Speaker 1: or left. There were just people that were somewhat reasonable

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Speaker 1: on CNN, and then Jeff Zucker purged them all during

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Speaker 1: the Trump years, and now they're trying to bring him back.

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Speaker 1: This is CNN legal analyst Paul Collen, and he's laid out.

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Speaker 1: This is on CNN's Morning Show. The host asks him

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Speaker 1: about this FBI rate of mar Lago. Listen, we've heard

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Speaker 1: a lot about the Presidential Records Act now and have

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Speaker 1: for quite some time. If this becomes a Presidential Records

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Speaker 1: Act violation, not more do you think it is enough

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Speaker 1: to warrant all of this. No, it's not enough to

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Speaker 1: warrant all this. And this is a daring and dangerous

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Speaker 1: move by the Department of Justice to serve a warrant

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Speaker 1: on a former president and to raid his personal residence.

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Speaker 1: So Buck, I mean, that's a pretty aggressive, straightforward credit

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Speaker 1: to this attorney who may well be on the CNN

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Speaker 1: payroll where they want him to say. Yes, of course

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Speaker 1: the Department of Justice is is justified here. But this

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Speaker 1: ties into me with Andrew Cuomo, where where I think

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Speaker 1: if you are a lawyer who is truly committed to

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Speaker 1: the principles of the law, right, the principles of the

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Speaker 1: law as opposed to the political nature of the law,

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Speaker 1: what you immediately have to think here is I always

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Speaker 1: go to hypothesis and just flip the script. And we

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Speaker 1: talked about this a little bit earlier in the show.

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Speaker 1: What would Democrats be saying today if Joe Biden had

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Speaker 1: been rated by Donald Trump's FBI and Department of Justice,

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Speaker 1: they would be saying that Trump was a dictator attempting

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Speaker 1: to use the Department of Justice to eliminate a contender

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Speaker 1: for the presidential office against him, that this was the

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Speaker 1: darkest day. They'd be saying this book, they would be saying,

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Speaker 1: this is the darkest day in the history of American democracy.

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Speaker 1: That's the argument they'd be making. Many of those same

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Speaker 1: people are cheering this rate. Obviously, there is no limit

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Speaker 1: to the bad faith that they have applied to Trump

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Speaker 1: all along, and therefore you really can't the people that

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Speaker 1: are saying trust the system. The system has been abused

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Speaker 1: against Trump clearly and on the record repeatedly. I mean

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Speaker 1: they've already weaponized they I mean, Clay Faiza was a

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Speaker 1: big deal, like when I was in the intelligence community,

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Speaker 1: and the notion of falsifying stuff for fies a cord

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Speaker 1: to look at a presidential campaign foreign policy advisor. We've

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Speaker 1: almost become numb to it because it went on for

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Speaker 1: so long. They did that against Donald Trump. That is

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Speaker 1: a matter of record. Now they have had to reckon

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Speaker 1: with this because the facts finally came out, and so

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Speaker 1: people are now saying, oh, well, we have to see

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Speaker 1: and we have to trust the process. What if someone

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Speaker 1: called in, I mean, you know what squatting is, right,

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Speaker 1: What if someone called in and said, oh, you know,

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Speaker 1: there's an imminent threat at mar Lago? Would it be

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Speaker 1: okay for the FBI to send in tactical teams to

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Speaker 1: go raid Mara Lago because some guy called in an

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Speaker 1: anonymous tip. Well, of course, not right, But if you

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Speaker 1: want to use bad faith, you could justify that's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we got someone who called in and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Trump's holding hostages when the FBI has already been proven

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Speaker 1: to have lied on documents to obtain warrants, saying as

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Speaker 1: many people are today and were last night, Well, a

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Speaker 1: judge signed off on the warrant, there has to be

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Speaker 1: some legitimacy to it has already been proven false. So

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm not willing to presume, especially when it's

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Speaker 1: not released, that everything in this underlying warrant is accurate.

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Speaker 1: Buck As a lawyer in much less serious cases, I

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Speaker 1: have looked at warrants and challenged their legitimacy based on

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Speaker 1: whether it's reasonable and particular enough in nature, based on

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Speaker 1: whether there was probable cause to grant that warrant. So

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Speaker 1: everybody out there saying, well, this judge agreed that this

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Speaker 1: warrant was valid, Well, first of already failed in granting

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Speaker 1: warrants we know related to Russia collusion in Donald Trump before.

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Speaker 1: I'm not willing to presume that this warrant and the

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Speaker 1: other question I have, which nobody seems to be asking buck,

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Speaker 1: is was this the only judge they went to. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: you go to multiple judges trying to get a warrant

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Speaker 1: signed off on. Why was this judge in particular chosen?

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Speaker 1: What was it about him that led to this warrant

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Speaker 1: being granted? There's some stories out there that he may

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Speaker 1: have been connected to Jeffrey Epstein and he was aneam

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Speaker 1: defense attorney at one point based on who they believe

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Speaker 1: the lawyer, and he's a big Democrat donor, and all

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Speaker 1: the things that you would expect for a judge who

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Speaker 1: would sign off on something like this. I do think

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Speaker 1: that as we watch this play out, and people are

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Speaker 1: going to be talking a lot about process, it's so

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Speaker 1: important to remember that we already we got a preview

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Speaker 1: of this with Roger Stone. They sent in FBI tactical

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Speaker 1: teams to a lost Roger Stone in his silk pajamas

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Speaker 1: at five o'clock in the morning. They tipped CNN off

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Speaker 1: to it so they could get some embarrassing footage and

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Speaker 1: have all the Russia collusion truthers freaking out with how

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Speaker 1: amazing it was, Clay. They could have just called them

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Speaker 1: and said turn yourself in tomorrow. Everyone knows that they

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Speaker 1: wanted to make an example out of him and to

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Speaker 1: threaten him with tack vests and long guns a plenty.

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Speaker 1: This is who they are now, This is who the

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Speaker 1: Democrats have become. The only thing I'm surprised by is

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Speaker 1: that CNN wasn't there with the cameras rolling when they

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Speaker 1: actually went through the gates at mar Lago. That's private club,

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Speaker 1: so they could stop them from the front registance. But anyway, yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but even just standing outside in the street being like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, here comes the FBI. They didn' a

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Speaker 1: pre dawn raid. We didn't find out about it till

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Speaker 1: Trump notified everybody in the evening, and this story blew

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Speaker 1: up as it did. Much more coming on this Congressman

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan going to join us. Also Senator Tim Scott

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Speaker 1: of South Carolina. He's got a book out, but he

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Speaker 1: hasn't spoken out very much in Trump's defense so far. Buck,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna ask him about it. Fleet Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton on the front lines