WEBVTT - Ep. 69: Bear Grease [Render] - Possum Tattoos, The Bargain Barn, and Holt Collier

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render

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<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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<v Speaker 1>HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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<v Speaker 1>that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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<v Speaker 1>Did Isaac get new boots? And what's happening to Brent's feet?

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start with Isaac. I'm new boot. Those are those

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<v Speaker 1>are different than the ones before? Wow, they've got some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of metallic kind of looks like Allard Metallica. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what happened. I was at the Delta

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<v Speaker 1>Waterfowl Expo and Little Rock and I straight surfed across

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<v Speaker 1>the bathroom floor. There was a layer of moisture that

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<v Speaker 1>I hope was from a recent mopping, but I doubt

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<v Speaker 1>and just stop myself by banging my shins right into

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<v Speaker 1>the jurnal because I had I had leather leather sole

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<v Speaker 1>boots on, so I went for the hybrid ub So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see. Those are what we'd call rough out boots,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that, Miss Nukem sir Okay, So there's two

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<v Speaker 1>sides to leather. There's the smooth finish side and there's

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<v Speaker 1>the rough out, so those would be rough out. Nice, nice, Isaac.

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<v Speaker 1>Now let's talk about branch. What's happening. You don't know

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<v Speaker 1>where your Crocs were. I was trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>why you own them. Somebody gave them to me. Those

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<v Speaker 1>are very popular, they say, hey, dude, hey, dude, dudes.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe they are now owned by Crocs, so technically

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<v Speaker 1>on brand for Brent Reeves. I don't know. They just

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<v Speaker 1>they have a funny look with your your overall is

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<v Speaker 1>They're not funny look funny funny to carry about other

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<v Speaker 1>people a little more diplomatic. Okay, all right, I am

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<v Speaker 1>wearing muddy rubber boots. Welcome to the bar, Gary surrender.

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<v Speaker 1>This is uh, this is a fantastic day. Yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just looking around at the footwear. Yeah, Brent

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<v Speaker 1>definitely wins the kind of preppy guy in the overall award. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>with those, we gotta skip over our guests. But he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a nice solid pair of Brogrand type brown boots.

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<v Speaker 1>Misty's wearing her extra tough rubber boots, which is great.

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac with his rough outs and Gary Nucomb with his

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<v Speaker 1>Sportivas trail running shoes. Great to see everybody. We have

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<v Speaker 1>a fantastic podcast aligned. I would like to introduce my father,

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<v Speaker 1>Gary Newcome to my right and how you been great? Great? Great? Great,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even better than great. I hope you enjoyed this

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<v Speaker 1>whole Call your podcasts and have some insight for us. Well, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. It was just a lot. To your right,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac Neil, assistant to the regional producer with the Burgers podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>Glad you got to see me today. Good to see you, man,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac's Isaac tells me today that he's got an appointment

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<v Speaker 1>for a new tattoo. You want to share with us

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<v Speaker 1>what that tattoo is? Mrs gonna maybe give me a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of credit for it. Yeah, by all means,

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<v Speaker 1>Mry's gonna love this too, because I had this and

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<v Speaker 1>that there is some level of planning on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>I had it. I had the idea yesterday morning during

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<v Speaker 1>church and the tattoo artist, but I thought, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know what about church inspired it, but I just popped

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<v Speaker 1>into my head. You know, I want to get a

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<v Speaker 1>possum in raccoon, So I think I'm going to get

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<v Speaker 1>a big possum and a raccoon on the backs of

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<v Speaker 1>my list. Why but these are like the creatures that

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<v Speaker 1>that are the worst. That's what raccoon they eat my

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<v Speaker 1>chickens about it. This is a great example of how

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<v Speaker 1>perspective informs someone like now, a raccoon to me is

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest beasts in North America. Chickens. But

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<v Speaker 1>that is why I like chickens, is because raccoons eat them.

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<v Speaker 1>That's very interesting. I don't know if it's appropriate. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Clay's got a good possum story if he if he

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<v Speaker 1>feels up to sharing it. Part two. I just because

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac said, Missy's gonna love this. I want to make

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<v Speaker 1>it clear I don't have a problem with Isaac getting tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>The thing that is really Misty's a principal, so she

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<v Speaker 1>feels like she could well let talk. We stop saying that.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think what makes me nervous is that Isaac

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<v Speaker 1>gets tattoos sometimes without a lot of premeditation. And from

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<v Speaker 1>my perspective, these are your fraid he's gonna run out

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<v Speaker 1>of space. No, I'm concerned about These are lifelong commitments

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<v Speaker 1>to your skin. And it's just like how can you

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<v Speaker 1>make a decision like that that's so consequential. I think

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<v Speaker 1>he is in Yeah, I think he woul come back

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<v Speaker 1>to the possum story and I want to hear a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more about why the possum. But to your

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna skip over our guests as we do. Brent Reeves,

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<v Speaker 1>great to see you, Hello, And then to your left

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<v Speaker 1>is my friend Jonathan Wilkins. Jonathan, great to have you

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<v Speaker 1>on the Burger Surrender. Thank you much. Tattoos. I've always

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<v Speaker 1>loved some of Jonathan's tattoos. You gotta this, Yeah, let

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<v Speaker 1>me see. Let me see. He's got a beautiful rooster tail.

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<v Speaker 1>The fish is pretty. And then a picture of your mom.

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<v Speaker 1>How cool is that? This dog with the mustache is pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>Sport got a dog with a big mustache. Let me

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<v Speaker 1>see the dog with a mustache, the picture of his mom.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks like, Yeah, I saw that was when that

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<v Speaker 1>he had that. That was like when the first ones

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<v Speaker 1>I ever saw him. That's like twenty years old. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>capture your mom and like, like, I mean, I assume

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<v Speaker 1>she's aged in the last twenty years. Yeah, she was.

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<v Speaker 1>She was not crazy about it at first, not because

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<v Speaker 1>she was upset about the tattoo, but because she had

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<v Speaker 1>last is on and she had gotten Lasik. But you know, now,

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<v Speaker 1>this is what she looked like twenty years ago, so

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<v Speaker 1>she's all about it. Just what do you think. I

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<v Speaker 1>know that Lasik has developed a lot in the last

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<v Speaker 1>few years. Do you think there's a potential for Lasik

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<v Speaker 1>on tattoos? Do you think the tattoo can get late? Oh? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a ridiculous question. YEA, Well, I was

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<v Speaker 1>just curious how much forethought Jonathan put into his tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>as as opposed to her friend Isaac, who sometimes just

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<v Speaker 1>are you still in the tattoo market, Jonathan? Uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got a few that I I plan on getting

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<v Speaker 1>once my buddy opens up his new shop. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I've I've thought about all of them for a

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<v Speaker 1>long time, and then I went I went seven years

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<v Speaker 1>without getting one. I was shooting. I haven't gotten a

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<v Speaker 1>tattoo and probably three years. Yeah, I'm cool with having

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<v Speaker 1>weird tattoos. I just you just want to think about it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, I had some bad ideas when I

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<v Speaker 1>was younger that I'm glad I didn't. I didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>with Yeah, I try. I try to takes like a

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<v Speaker 1>real win when like ten years later you're like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad I didn't do that. I mean, it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>you can look back on your past self and be

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like proud of how wise you were even

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<v Speaker 1>in the midst of a bad decision. Maybe there's there's

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<v Speaker 1>some conversation that we had about the tattoos you didn't get,

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<v Speaker 1>and now how that's like a credit to pretty much

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<v Speaker 1>the story of my life. It's just a constant tattoos

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<v Speaker 1>didn't get. Do you have the tattoos? Be honest, I

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<v Speaker 1>have one? Do you really sinking ship sunk? I guess

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<v Speaker 1>we just got Yeah, and it was an undercover tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see it's Batman in the middle. Can you say,

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<v Speaker 1>did you really get that while you were undercoverage? And

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<v Speaker 1>it's Batman the symbol? Rent? So wow, Brent, Tattoos as

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<v Speaker 1>good a friends as we are brand I'm I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen your arm up that, huh. I don't. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like showing the white parts of me anyway. You know. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>when ride along Tattoosy Gary, you want to go with

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<v Speaker 1>me on Friday? No, yeah, Matt, you could get a

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<v Speaker 1>possum in a coon. Yeah, I'll get and you get

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<v Speaker 1>the he's a black pantherom man. You know, when I

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<v Speaker 1>was when I was young, we used to joke around about,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, getting one tattoo, like in a place where

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<v Speaker 1>no one else would ever see it in a few

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<v Speaker 1>of my buddies did. But back then took tattoos. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people just didn't get them, like the real rebels got tattoos.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know anybody with tattoos, so I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know when he was in the service, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, I mean, I didn't go around

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<v Speaker 1>looking at people did Houston tattoos? You know, the World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two guys had uh anchors and mom and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>when they came back. But Houston taston heads. My grandfather tattoo.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know about it. Anybody was thinking tattoos. I

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<v Speaker 1>wonder about their stability. Example three on three here, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really new comes versus tattoos. Yeah, okay, let me well, okay, Isaac,

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<v Speaker 1>why the possum and coon? I just like the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of the miso predators getting some love. So you're okay

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<v Speaker 1>with a tattoo that has that little meaning to it.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you mean why do they have to have meaning?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what I'm talking about. That's great, It's okay.

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<v Speaker 1>I like a raccoon. I like, I like grammar could

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<v Speaker 1>put some meaning on it this period in your life

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<v Speaker 1>while you were you know. Yeah, for me, the tattoo

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<v Speaker 1>will always mean that. At this point in my life,

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking about getting a possum and a raccoon

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<v Speaker 1>tattooed on me to remember that. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it feels verreos archy in to me. So

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<v Speaker 1>here's the possum story told. I've told this twice this week,

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<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't told it originally to be funny. It

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<v Speaker 1>was literally told as a means to explain the people

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<v Speaker 1>in my house and the man that was staying in

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<v Speaker 1>our barn, why something happened that potentially they saw, and

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<v Speaker 1>just to be just totally disclosing. It's not like we

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<v Speaker 1>often have been just staying in our barn, Like, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not a yeah, we didn't find him out. So the

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<v Speaker 1>other night I hear I hear dogs barking, and I

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<v Speaker 1>don't tolerate barking dogs, and so they wake me up,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think they're gonna stop. Shortly, they don't stop.

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<v Speaker 1>They continue bark, bark, barking. It's Jed and Tim, Tim

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<v Speaker 1>the squirrel dog, Jed the coon dog. They bark so

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<v Speaker 1>much that finally I get up and I'm angry. And

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<v Speaker 1>usually I just lift the window in the bedroom and oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you ought to hear me my dog scolden voice. It's

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<v Speaker 1>scare a child. Often the dogs don't wake me up,

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<v Speaker 1>but always the dog's colding does. Yeah. And so I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't I was so fired up. I wasn't even gonna

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<v Speaker 1>just open the window. I was gonna go downstairs and

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<v Speaker 1>go on the front porch and scold the dogs, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just like h and uh. But about halfway down the stairs,

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<v Speaker 1>I realized they're not just joy barking. They're treeing something like.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, they're looking at something. Wait, can we pause

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<v Speaker 1>this real quick? I got a question? Can we do

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<v Speaker 1>a how to video on how to scold the dog

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<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the way to do it? That works?

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<v Speaker 1>And a dog and an animal can read intent. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've got another story about that too. Um. The so

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<v Speaker 1>I walk outside and I think those dogs are treat

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<v Speaker 1>and so I go from anger to a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of excitement. I wonder what's in the tree. So I

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<v Speaker 1>walk out, and sure enough I see Jet and Tim

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<v Speaker 1>just treeing on one of our apple trees. And I

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<v Speaker 1>know that they're looking at something, and I'm like, what's

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<v Speaker 1>in the tree. And I happened to be in my

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<v Speaker 1>underwear and barefoot, and then we happen to have a guest. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's my buddy is staying over in the barn.

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<v Speaker 1>So the window of the barn looks right over the

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<v Speaker 1>apple orchard. Well, I've got my coon light on, and

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<v Speaker 1>I walk out in the grass barefoot and my underwear

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<v Speaker 1>and go and start circling this apple tree looking for

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<v Speaker 1>what's in the tree. Just want a pause, so that

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's got this coon hat, coon light. Yes, And so

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<v Speaker 1>I look up in the tree and there's a possum

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<v Speaker 1>about twelve foot up in the tree and the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>are just looking at it, just tree in this possum. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I decide that the only way I'm gonna get rid

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<v Speaker 1>of this possum. And you know, we possums were bad

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<v Speaker 1>news on this farm, so I was gonna shake this

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<v Speaker 1>possum ount. I'll just be honest with you, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna do. I shook the apple tree and

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<v Speaker 1>nothing fell but apples. And so I think, man, if

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<v Speaker 1>I can just crawl up this tree a little ways,

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<v Speaker 1>I can grab that limb and I'll just I'll just

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<v Speaker 1>shake that sucker down. And so there's a fork in

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<v Speaker 1>the tree and I reach up and grabbed the tree

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<v Speaker 1>and I go to climb in this apple tree. Now

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<v Speaker 1>remember I'm in my underwear, and I have my Sunspot

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<v Speaker 1>coon light, which are going to be for sale on

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<v Speaker 1>the meat eatrew dot com soon. For real. You can

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<v Speaker 1>get a coon light just like me and have best

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<v Speaker 1>light in the world. I've got it on, and I

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<v Speaker 1>go to climbing this apple tree barefoot. And I get

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<v Speaker 1>like a way up in the top of this apple tree,

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<v Speaker 1>and the possum just disappears into the stars, like I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know where he goes. This isn't a big apple

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<v Speaker 1>tree there. I once heard someone tell his story about

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<v Speaker 1>how that they that like a slick tree, like when

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<v Speaker 1>a dog trees and there's nothing in the tree that

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<v Speaker 1>like the animal escaped into the stars and their dog

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<v Speaker 1>was still their tree, and that's what happened. I get

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<v Speaker 1>up to the top of the apple tree. I cannot

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<v Speaker 1>find the possum. I don't know what happened to him. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>so I decided that I've got to get down from

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<v Speaker 1>the tree. And I don't have my contacts in and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm barefoot. I don't know if you ever climbed apple

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<v Speaker 1>tree barefoot, But my foot is crammed down and the

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<v Speaker 1>crotch of this tree so deep that I can't get

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<v Speaker 1>it out. And so I'm like hanging and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I've got to like jump backwards just to land,

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<v Speaker 1>and my foot is stuck in the crotch of this tree.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think I'm gonna come out of back out

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<v Speaker 1>of this tree backwards, and my foot is gonna stay

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<v Speaker 1>in this tree and I'm gonna break my ankle in

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<v Speaker 1>this apple tree. So basically I just have this big

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<v Speaker 1>kerfuffle coming out of the tree, and uh. And I

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<v Speaker 1>finally I feel like I'm like eight foot off the ground,

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<v Speaker 1>and I finally just go I got I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 1>have to go up and then back and just like

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<v Speaker 1>jump out. And when I go up and back and

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<v Speaker 1>jump out, I was like six inches off the ground

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<v Speaker 1>and then I kind of shined up towards where the

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<v Speaker 1>window was where my but he was staying to see

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<v Speaker 1>if he was watching me, and he wasn't. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I just walked back in the house and the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>were happy with that. They never saw the possum, didn't

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<v Speaker 1>come down, but the dogs were just like, yeah, that's

0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:47.840
<v Speaker 1>good enough. So you're telling me about this magic animal

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<v Speaker 1>that can right off into the stars, and You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>why would you get a tattoo of that creature? And

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, why wouldn't you get creatures? Yeah, awesome, Brent.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got another story for you that I haven't told you.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to leave my dogs out overnight this week. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I went on a coon hunt. Wasn't planning to go,

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have everything charged up really great because I hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>been in a while, and I plugged it in for

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<v Speaker 1>the last hour before before dark, and I went out

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<v Speaker 1>and I took fern jed and Hoot the pup hoot

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<v Speaker 1>and um. We went and treat and a treat in

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<v Speaker 1>a spot where I don't think they had the coon.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't find the coon, but it was thick and

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<v Speaker 1>bining and and so we made a big loop and

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<v Speaker 1>came around on the other side of the property and

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs, Ferns collar went dead. Jed didn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>collar because I only have two collars right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>who stayed with me? So Fern and Jed go off

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<v Speaker 1>and Ferns collar dies, and I'm up at the foot

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<v Speaker 1>of this mountain and I hear like, I can't hear

0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:57.320
<v Speaker 1>the dogs. And finally I'd say that for like forty

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<v Speaker 1>five minutes or an hour, I can't hear the dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>And I walked back to the truck like half a

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<v Speaker 1>mile and I can hear firm tread way back in there,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't have the collar is dead and U.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when I walked towards her, when I got

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<v Speaker 1>to the foot of the mountain, I couldn't hear her.

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<v Speaker 1>And I can't course the dog because of a bad ear.

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<v Speaker 1>So three different times I tried to walk to her

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<v Speaker 1>and never could. Like I would just start walking to

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<v Speaker 1>her and I would lose her, and then I'd come

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<v Speaker 1>back like the way the truck set, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>could hear. And finally at two am, I just left

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<v Speaker 1>and I left her tread. I could hear her treating

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like my you know, three quarters of a

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<v Speaker 1>mile away. I could not find her. Came back at

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<v Speaker 1>daylight and she wasn't there. And long story short, about

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<v Speaker 1>ten o'clock they showed up at the farmer's house I

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<v Speaker 1>was hunting on. So that's my story. I mean, if

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<v Speaker 1>you were using the Leon Boyd technique, you would have

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<v Speaker 1>never lost him. Stayed with them. Just take off sprint.

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<v Speaker 1>Ye look like a fallen man. You just gotta make

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<v Speaker 1>it a habit as soon as you get home. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't care if it's nine o'clock at night or nine

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<v Speaker 1>in the morning. As soon as you get the house,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to put that stuff on the charge because

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<v Speaker 1>I've been right there, will you. I know it. And

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<v Speaker 1>the whole deal as you go to that dog to

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<v Speaker 1>get out there because you she went and did what

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to do. Yeah, and you gotta go to her.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna we're gonna talk about whole caller, but before

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<v Speaker 1>we do, Brent. Brent pulled something out of his pocket

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<v Speaker 1>today that shocked me. Brent, What do you have in

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<v Speaker 1>your pocket? What do you carry in your pocket? And

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<v Speaker 1>tell the story behind my whole all everything, or just

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<v Speaker 1>this one maybe two? Well, I took two pocket knives

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<v Speaker 1>and chapstick and a buckeye and this buck I've had

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<v Speaker 1>since the first meeting you and I had, we went

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<v Speaker 1>on top of the mountain on a bear hunt. We

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<v Speaker 1>were we were side seating at that time, and there

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<v Speaker 1>was a bunch of buck eyes up there, and I

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<v Speaker 1>asked if you knew about guys being good luck for hunters,

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<v Speaker 1>and you said no, you hadn't heard that story. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that's not true, Gary, I blame you for that. Now

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<v Speaker 1>that is an outright live I rejected, because we carried

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<v Speaker 1>buck eyes our whole You're the one the top of

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<v Speaker 1>that was a kid. That part of the story is

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<v Speaker 1>not true. That that part may not have been true anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I said, the only way these can be good luck

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<v Speaker 1>is if you one gives them to another that I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't know. And you said, well here, so I handed

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<v Speaker 1>you one, and you handed me one. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one that you gave me. And I've carried it

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<v Speaker 1>in my pocket every day where everywhere when I get it,

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<v Speaker 1>if I leave the house with my breeches on, unlike

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.879
<v Speaker 1>you know the possible, I've got this bucket in my

0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.760
<v Speaker 1>pocket uniform back when I wore a uniform from going

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<v Speaker 1>to church whatever, I've always got that. So you were

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<v Speaker 1>that undercover was before that one correct. But I had

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<v Speaker 1>one day because my dad had given it to me,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had we exchange my whole life back and forth,

0:19:01.560 --> 0:19:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and then they would just absolutely turned to the dust. Impressive.

0:19:06.240 --> 0:19:09.400
<v Speaker 1>And then you have a a quarter that your wife

0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:12.520
<v Speaker 1>gave you. It's a dollar, Okay, it's one of those.

0:19:12.680 --> 0:19:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Uh was that second? You will a dollar? And she said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it would help me find my way back

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<v Speaker 1>home always be if I'm in the woods, it would

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<v Speaker 1>help me get home. So I care that my pocket too, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 1>Would you have the wherewithal to keep up with something

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<v Speaker 1>for like ten years a buckeye? I wouldn't. I probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I had given you a buckeye ten years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd probably lost it through. Yeah, I'm not as romantic

0:19:43.960 --> 0:19:50.800
<v Speaker 1>as nude. I've got a pretty good buckeye story. So

0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 1>we Clay wanted to plant all native plants out here

0:19:55.160 --> 0:19:57.200
<v Speaker 1>when we first moved out here, so we planned some buckeyes,

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<v Speaker 1>and the girls were really fascinated. If you've ever seen

0:19:59.359 --> 0:20:02.040
<v Speaker 1>how a buckeye girls, it's pretty interesting. Right now, They're

0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.480
<v Speaker 1>all spiky and then they fall down and we would

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<v Speaker 1>just our girls. Even River came home last fall and

0:20:07.040 --> 0:20:09.600
<v Speaker 1>she just like instinctively just started collecting them all and

0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:11.680
<v Speaker 1>put them in a vase in our our living room.

0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.439
<v Speaker 1>They just always would carry them around. River was a

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<v Speaker 1>real funny girl. We would go places and Willow would

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<v Speaker 1>always be focused on getting getting the job done, getting

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<v Speaker 1>from point A to point B. River. You would turn

0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:25.919
<v Speaker 1>around and she would be about a mile behind us,

0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.119
<v Speaker 1>just picking things up, seeing all sorts of things that

0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:30.520
<v Speaker 1>we missed along the way, and putting them in her pockets.

0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.600
<v Speaker 1>So every time I did her laundry, I had an

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:36.800
<v Speaker 1>empty out, you know, two pounds worth of interesting things. Well,

0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:39.280
<v Speaker 1>she was real fascinated with those buck eyes and she

0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:41.919
<v Speaker 1>would keep them in her pockets. And you know, I

0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know why people do this, but I get, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>real testy around people who narrate the potential doom that

0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:54.080
<v Speaker 1>could come that's really unlikely, but could happen. And someone said,

0:20:54.080 --> 0:20:56.680
<v Speaker 1>as we were putting River in the car, hey, don't

0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:01.440
<v Speaker 1>let her swallow that it's poisons. And this is a

0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:03.919
<v Speaker 1>bucket on the size of like half the size of

0:21:03.920 --> 0:21:08.600
<v Speaker 1>a golf ball. May not it's not really a swallow,

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.840
<v Speaker 1>it's not. Yeah, But I was a young mom, and

0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:13.480
<v Speaker 1>I was like, why would you even put that thought

0:21:13.520 --> 0:21:15.840
<v Speaker 1>in my head, and the River was real little, and

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<v Speaker 1>we we put her in the car and we drove

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<v Speaker 1>off and we were going to meet. Clay was actually

0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.480
<v Speaker 1>behind me. We had two cars and we were meeting

0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.919
<v Speaker 1>meeting somewhere, and I had River in the car. I

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<v Speaker 1>had my mom in the car. I had Willow in

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<v Speaker 1>the car. We're driving and Rivers just playing. Every time

0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.680
<v Speaker 1>I look back there, she's just playing with this buck eye.

0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:34.639
<v Speaker 1>And once I look back there and she doesn't have

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the buckeye, and I said, hey, where's your buckeye? And

0:21:39.040 --> 0:21:44.320
<v Speaker 1>she looked and she she got this likely yeah. And

0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.920
<v Speaker 1>River talked real funny. She had some things going on

0:21:46.960 --> 0:21:49.040
<v Speaker 1>with their adenoids, so she had a real deep voice,

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and she just got really like scared looking, and she

0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:56.760
<v Speaker 1>looked at me and she said, I's wallowed it. And

0:21:56.840 --> 0:21:59.800
<v Speaker 1>I was like, no, it is hollowing, and she said,

0:22:00.040 --> 0:22:03.800
<v Speaker 1>I swallowed it. Mama did. And all of a sudden

0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.239
<v Speaker 1>she started like pay nicking in the car. And of

0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:08.960
<v Speaker 1>course my mom and I are looking at each other,

0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:15.639
<v Speaker 1>and I called Clay. He was behind us. They have

0:22:15.720 --> 0:22:18.280
<v Speaker 1>just wallowed a buck eye. Are they really poisoned us?

0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean, should I go straight to the e R

0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:21.439
<v Speaker 1>or do we have some time here? I didn't know

0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:26.160
<v Speaker 1>like all that. So we pull over and Clay walks

0:22:26.200 --> 0:22:28.639
<v Speaker 1>over there and we sit what river up and everybody's

0:22:28.680 --> 0:22:31.040
<v Speaker 1>looking in her mouth and looking and we set her up.

0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:33.320
<v Speaker 1>We set her up and boom in her car seat

0:22:33.400 --> 0:22:36.680
<v Speaker 1>is a big old buckeye and she had just lost

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.600
<v Speaker 1>track of it and remembered that we have been so

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:44.199
<v Speaker 1>she wasn't lying. She just thought like she was like,

0:22:44.440 --> 0:22:50.240
<v Speaker 1>I've mapped it out, have swallowed it, and she looked

0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:54.119
<v Speaker 1>at oh there, it is the same thing. If you

0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 1>swallowed it too fast, you forget it. No, it'll be

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:04.919
<v Speaker 1>in your chair when you stand. Uh. Hey, we have

0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:07.439
<v Speaker 1>just a few more housekeeping things to do here. On

0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.560
<v Speaker 1>the last Bargrease Render, I I put my mule up

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<v Speaker 1>for sale. And when I did this, I thought this

0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:19.520
<v Speaker 1>was a great idea to sell stuff on the Beargrease

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<v Speaker 1>Render podcast. And so we're actually starting an official Beargrease

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<v Speaker 1>bargain barn section of the Bargrease Surrender. And if and

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<v Speaker 1>this is for real, if you have something for sale now,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not guaranteeing that everybody that writes in is gonna

0:23:37.240 --> 0:23:40.159
<v Speaker 1>is gonna get their item put up for sale. We

0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:46.840
<v Speaker 1>need premium items. Okay, well that'll be the first one. UM.

0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.280
<v Speaker 1>But so basically we're every every week we're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>the Beargrease bargain barn where we're gonna we're gonna sell

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<v Speaker 1>about three items and you can email your item to

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<v Speaker 1>bear Grease at the eater dot com. And I will

0:24:03.119 --> 0:24:07.040
<v Speaker 1>not be monitoring this email address, but someone will. And

0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>it's got to be for real because we're gonna put

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<v Speaker 1>your your you have to have a social media handle

0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:14.520
<v Speaker 1>because that we don't want to put a phone number

0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:17.760
<v Speaker 1>or an email. We're not gonna be playing matchmaker. That's right.

0:24:17.880 --> 0:24:20.080
<v Speaker 1>We're just we're putting it out there. This is what's

0:24:20.080 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 1>for sale. We're not involved in the sale. We're not

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<v Speaker 1>involved with money. Would take zero liability for uh, for

0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:33.359
<v Speaker 1>anything that could possibly go wrong with this um and

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<v Speaker 1>but we're looking for for real stuff that needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be sold that you think would be a big fuit. Listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you think you think it's gonna work? Uh,

0:24:46.480 --> 0:24:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, I guess it could work. Like what if

0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:51.719
<v Speaker 1>you had a duck boat that you needed sold and

0:24:51.800 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>you could get it in front of a bunch of

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:57.040
<v Speaker 1>bargeras podcast listeners or some eagle feat pot belly stone.

0:24:57.320 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 1>One of those would be illegal. I mean you've got ah,

0:25:01.000 --> 0:25:03.240
<v Speaker 1>you've got a great listenership, so I'm sure that you could.

0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:05.960
<v Speaker 1>You can make a few shekels. Well, I mean it's

0:25:05.960 --> 0:25:07.920
<v Speaker 1>not we're not making money. It's not. It's not about

0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:15.200
<v Speaker 1>saying taking a Oh you think we're gonna move into

0:25:15.240 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 1>like taking a cut. Well, I mean, how hard is

0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.439
<v Speaker 1>it to start an Instagram account? You know someone named

0:25:20.560 --> 0:25:26.040
<v Speaker 1>Blay Buchum that was selling raccoon vacuums. There you go,

0:25:26.160 --> 0:25:30.040
<v Speaker 1>there you go. Okay, okay, well this is you're you're saying,

0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:32.720
<v Speaker 1>this is a way of fencing his ill gotten gain.

0:25:33.480 --> 0:25:35.439
<v Speaker 1>Well maybe not ill gotten. I don't. I don't think

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:37.680
<v Speaker 1>he's poaching coons, but okay, I think there could be

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:41.880
<v Speaker 1>an illst of trade. And li we finally get those

0:25:42.480 --> 0:25:48.679
<v Speaker 1>all bladders, we get stuck about this, No, no I have.

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>So this is for real. It's gonna be called the

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 1>Burgery's Bargain Barn, and there will be a short segment

0:25:55.680 --> 0:25:58.479
<v Speaker 1>on the burgery Strender And so you can email what

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.480
<v Speaker 1>you have for sale to bear grease at the meat

0:26:01.480 --> 0:26:04.959
<v Speaker 1>eat dot com. And we're not we can't read everybody

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:08.680
<v Speaker 1>stuff stuff, but stuff that we feel is appropriate, and

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:11.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, tell us what it is, give us, give

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:14.760
<v Speaker 1>us the whole sales pitch, and be ready for some

0:26:14.800 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 1>people to come knocking on your door. One of the

0:26:17.720 --> 0:26:19.920
<v Speaker 1>things we'd like to see is in the subject line

0:26:19.920 --> 0:26:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and the email bear grease, bargain barn b G b

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:27.720
<v Speaker 1>B something like that, and then really sell us on it. Yeah. Yeah,

0:26:27.760 --> 0:26:30.080
<v Speaker 1>it needs it needs to be a good ad. We

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>need some effort. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna facilitate a sale.

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Make it entertaining. Yeah, like, let me just put it

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>out here. Broken clothes dryer, we're putting that up probably not.

0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:49.120
<v Speaker 1>No pontoon boat turned into a tiki bar. Interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:53.080
<v Speaker 1>that's a good example. Would fired cook stove, old gas

0:26:53.119 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>tiller for the garden? Yeah? How much we send that for?

0:26:57.160 --> 0:27:03.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We're getting going out. So yeah, we

0:27:03.080 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>just we just kind of want to facilitate some stuff

0:27:05.000 --> 0:27:07.919
<v Speaker 1>because because I put my mule up for sale the

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:11.640
<v Speaker 1>other day and I had a few, a few bites,

0:27:11.760 --> 0:27:16.120
<v Speaker 1>a few nimbles, um, but I'm actually slandered the mule

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot. I didn't slander the mule. That's why I

0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:23.399
<v Speaker 1>can never be a mule trader because I'm I'm I'm

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:28.399
<v Speaker 1>too honest, ms nukem. It's it's hard to sell a

0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>mule if you tell the truth every time. It's real hard.

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:35.520
<v Speaker 1>And so that's the reason I've decided to keep Banjo.

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:41.560
<v Speaker 1>And um, I've got a guy, my friend Michael Lanier, uh,

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:46.360
<v Speaker 1>my Scurel hunting mentor and uh he was on Meat

0:27:46.359 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Eater Season ten. I think with Steve Rinella and me

0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:54.240
<v Speaker 1>and we Scurore hunted and uh, Michael has found me

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 1>uh a guy here in Arkansas that well keep him

0:27:57.760 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 1>for thirty days and basically ride him. So that's a

0:28:00.000 --> 0:28:02.359
<v Speaker 1>thing you do if you have a mule, Jonathan, you

0:28:02.400 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 1>could pay someone. It's not it's that he's not training

0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.720
<v Speaker 1>the mule because the mule has been trained to some degree.

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:14.120
<v Speaker 1>It's not like sending your kid boarding, right and so

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:19.880
<v Speaker 1>but what most guys that listen, it's actually a pretty

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:22.639
<v Speaker 1>good business model. And if things don't work out for

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:27.480
<v Speaker 1>me and outdoor media, I would consider doing this. Um

0:28:27.800 --> 0:28:31.800
<v Speaker 1>is uh you charge like, I'll just tell you that

0:28:31.840 --> 0:28:34.600
<v Speaker 1>this guy is going to charge six fifty dollars to

0:28:34.720 --> 0:28:37.720
<v Speaker 1>ride that mule for thirty days and do the math.

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>If you had even let's say seven or eight mules

0:28:42.080 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>for a month and your own and you were getting

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.480
<v Speaker 1>paid six and forty bucks, you know, that's several thousand

0:28:46.480 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 1>dollars of income per month and all you would have

0:28:49.840 --> 0:28:51.360
<v Speaker 1>to do, and you don't write it every day. You

0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:53.520
<v Speaker 1>write it like five days a week, so they'll guarantee

0:28:53.520 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 1>you, you you know, they're gonna ride the mule like four

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>times or something for like thirty minutes segments, not like

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 1>they're gonna write it all eight They're just gonna saddle

0:29:01.120 --> 0:29:04.560
<v Speaker 1>the animal, work the animal ride it unsaddled. So if

0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 1>you woke up every day and you had the ride

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:11.560
<v Speaker 1>eight mules, I mean an hour a mule would be

0:29:11.640 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>eight hours is a good, honest mule man's work day

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:20.600
<v Speaker 1>of work. You know. So I have backup plans for

0:29:20.720 --> 0:29:23.280
<v Speaker 1>my career. I think that you could really kick start

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 1>your backup career by just going and writing people's mules

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 1>and then invoicing them on the back end. Don't wait

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:36.080
<v Speaker 1>for them to send you a mule. Just find a

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.360
<v Speaker 1>pasture with a mule in itop on it, send him

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 1>abil at the end of the month. That's a good idea, Yeah,

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the mule story, that's the bear grease bargain barn story. Uh,

0:29:47.320 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>we've covered We've We've covered a lot. Jonathan Black Duck

0:30:00.240 --> 0:30:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Revival Jonathan is Black Duck Revival on on Instagram and

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>your business. Tell me about your Jonathan is Black Dunck Revival.

0:30:13.840 --> 0:30:15.239
<v Speaker 1>Is that not a good way to kind of it's

0:30:15.320 --> 0:30:17.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of sound like you said, Jonathan's Black Duck Revival.

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:22.960
<v Speaker 1>But that's that's funny. I don't know if I started

0:30:23.280 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>did you just kind of you were slow and getting

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:32.480
<v Speaker 1>it out, and so I was like, what's saying remaining honest, Well,

0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>tell me about tell me about your waterfowl outfit. Huh

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>oh it's ah and the classes and what you do. Yeah, yeah,

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I told the story. It feels so many times lately.

0:30:45.800 --> 0:30:48.560
<v Speaker 1>So some years ago I bought an old church in

0:30:48.600 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 1>a town called Brinkley, Arkansas, over and the the opposite

0:30:52.080 --> 0:30:56.040
<v Speaker 1>side of the state and the Delta and referbed it,

0:30:56.680 --> 0:31:00.960
<v Speaker 1>turned it into a lodge and then I started doing these.

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:06.280
<v Speaker 1>Uh it's kind of curated hunt experiences where folks come out,

0:31:06.720 --> 0:31:09.200
<v Speaker 1>we go hunting for a couple of days. Do small

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>groups like cat the hunts at five people um. And

0:31:12.000 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 1>then we spent a couple of days hunting and just

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>going into depth about like whole bird processing. We look

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 1>at like wax plucking, dry plucking, mechanically plucking birds. We

0:31:23.280 --> 0:31:26.560
<v Speaker 1>do cooking classes and demos. You know, I'm real big

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:29.840
<v Speaker 1>on like whole bird usage. So that's you know, cooking

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>the innards and using the feet and all that kind

0:31:32.320 --> 0:31:35.280
<v Speaker 1>of stuff. Uh. And you know it's got a bunch

0:31:35.280 --> 0:31:39.520
<v Speaker 1>of like Southern heritage stuff wrapped into it. So yeah,

0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:42.719
<v Speaker 1>I've got I've got a handful of spots left for

0:31:42.760 --> 0:31:45.680
<v Speaker 1>this season on that. So it's during duck season and

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>goose season. You have people come in and you host

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:52.200
<v Speaker 1>them at your lodge. You feed them, and you take

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:54.920
<v Speaker 1>them duck hunting and goose hunt, and then and then

0:31:54.960 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>you teach them how to handle the ducks, handle the geese,

0:31:59.080 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 1>cook them. And I mean it's like a it's it's

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>a it's a class, an immersive experience call it. Uh yeah.

0:32:06.640 --> 0:32:08.440
<v Speaker 1>Would you would you be upset with me if I

0:32:08.520 --> 0:32:12.400
<v Speaker 1>basically copied your model for coon and squirrel hunting? Go

0:32:12.520 --> 0:32:17.520
<v Speaker 1>for it, man squirreled what we call it, uh gray

0:32:17.560 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 1>squirrel revival. I don't know you'd have to. You'd have to,

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, secure large blocks of private land because you

0:32:24.480 --> 0:32:26.800
<v Speaker 1>can't guide for that stuff on public land in Arkansas.

0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:31.280
<v Speaker 1>What about you could can't. You can't guide for squirrel

0:32:31.320 --> 0:32:35.960
<v Speaker 1>hunting in Arkansas on public land. It's a fish only

0:32:36.480 --> 0:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>on public land really, So there's no public land guiding

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.600
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas as far as I understand it. Yeah, I've

0:32:42.680 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>just never thought because no one guides for squirrel. Yeah,

0:32:46.120 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, for a long time, you could do it. Uh,

0:32:48.480 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>you do it for ducks, but they shout. I thought

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>I thought they shut it down just for ducks because

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:59.360
<v Speaker 1>of the pressure that waterfowl areas have from outfitters and stuff. Yeah,

0:32:59.360 --> 0:33:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I I I'm not saying I know that.

0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.959
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying I did not know, because I actually

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>had if the if if the outdoor media thing didn't

0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:10.120
<v Speaker 1>work and then the mule training thing didn't work, that

0:33:10.240 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>was option three? What about what about flashy mule revival

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:20.520
<v Speaker 1>and then you train mule skinners. Man, I'm probably not

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 1>that good. You don't have to be that good. You

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 1>just have to get good. God, get him in, get

0:33:28.080 --> 0:33:32.040
<v Speaker 1>him out. Part of Jonathan's I think part of the

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 1>draw that's missing with a gray squirrel. It's just how

0:33:36.040 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 1>how beautiful it is. When the videos you've gone and

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:46.440
<v Speaker 1>bear it's really a beautiful, neat place. And when you

0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 1>see the birds flying above you. I mean that was

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:52.440
<v Speaker 1>that was kind of amazing, just a really amazing, amazing

0:33:52.520 --> 0:33:58.000
<v Speaker 1>experience too. It was I have to comments. One is Gary,

0:33:58.040 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 1>just ra give me the six D fifty bucks and

0:34:02.280 --> 0:34:05.360
<v Speaker 1>just keep your mule out here because it ain't gonna work, okay.

0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:09.080
<v Speaker 1>Number two, Oh you don't you don't think it's that's

0:34:09.080 --> 0:34:15.680
<v Speaker 1>a con job. Yeah, your buddies turned on you all

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 1>right now. And on Jonathan, didn't you do a podcast

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 1>on him under Bear Hunting Magazine. I'm gonna tell you, Jonathan,

0:34:22.960 --> 0:34:26.279
<v Speaker 1>You're my hero. Oh. I was so impressed. If you

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>have not heard that podcast, go back and find it.

0:34:29.239 --> 0:34:34.080
<v Speaker 1>That was my favorite podcast ever. And I told Clay,

0:34:34.080 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I said, that guy right there is this thinking real

0:34:37.360 --> 0:34:41.880
<v Speaker 1>deal and I love him. And I'm telling you, I

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:45.840
<v Speaker 1>was so impressed. We were at a family reunion, you remember,

0:34:46.200 --> 0:34:48.879
<v Speaker 1>and I go, man, you guys gotta find this podcast

0:34:49.640 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 1>and and you know, you explained some stuff that I've

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>never heard before that made the world so much clearer

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.759
<v Speaker 1>for me and I just want to say that you

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:09.000
<v Speaker 1>going home brother. Thanks, uh, sorry to disappoint you can

0:35:09.000 --> 0:35:13.879
<v Speaker 1>find out I'm a tattooed Carny. That's where you looked

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:16.720
<v Speaker 1>around at the world today. And if what I said

0:35:16.840 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 1>is true, it's we're in big trouble because everybody. Yeah no, yeah,

0:35:23.200 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan and I did a podcast a couple of years ago. Yeah,

0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:31.520
<v Speaker 1>on the front Porch. Yeah, yeah, no, we just we

0:35:31.680 --> 0:35:36.200
<v Speaker 1>basically just talked about race issues. I don't know how

0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.439
<v Speaker 1>we describe it. I don't remember what we talked about.

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:41.560
<v Speaker 1>The books, Giltner's book, Hunting and Fishing in the New South,

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.560
<v Speaker 1>that was what it was, but it kind of it it.

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>We talked about how, um, well the book. You turned

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:51.960
<v Speaker 1>me onto it and I read it and it was

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 1>a great book. And we actually interviewed Scott Guiltner, who

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.000
<v Speaker 1>is most likely going to be on some of the

0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:02.520
<v Speaker 1>later episodes. Isaac reviewed him. Um, but yeah, that was

0:36:02.560 --> 0:36:04.320
<v Speaker 1>a great podcast. We've got a lot of good feedback

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.160
<v Speaker 1>from it. Isn't that we found out about Collier Well

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>in the book, Yeah, yeah, Scott's book, that's right. In

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 1>Scott's book, he he had just like a little small

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:17.759
<v Speaker 1>section about Holt Collier was in Scott's book, Yeah, for sure.

0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.360
<v Speaker 1>I also listened to that episode driving to interview Scott,

0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, I should do a little bit

0:36:23.200 --> 0:36:25.319
<v Speaker 1>of research, right because it was kind of a last

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:26.880
<v Speaker 1>minute thing. You're like, hey, can you drive up and

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:29.839
<v Speaker 1>interview him tomorrow? Yeah. So I'm on the way there

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.960
<v Speaker 1>four and a half hour, so it's like google whatever,

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Scott Giltner, interview whatever, and then it just comes up

0:36:37.640 --> 0:36:40.400
<v Speaker 1>with you two. And I was like, for serendipity number

0:36:40.400 --> 0:36:43.279
<v Speaker 1>one hit. I listen to that. It was awesome. M

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:50.080
<v Speaker 1>hm cool. Well, um, so we've if we thoroughly introduced

0:36:50.120 --> 0:36:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Jonathan enough talked about his what he does. You're you're

0:36:53.680 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 1>also a writer and an ambassador for some brands and

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:04.040
<v Speaker 1>the hunting Yeah yeah, you posess named you possess a

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:06.879
<v Speaker 1>fan that I'm envious of. Yeah, I got the van.

0:37:06.960 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to spend as much time as possible in

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.920
<v Speaker 1>that thing. Nice. I gotta stop making babies if I'm

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:21.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna do that. Yeah yeah, yeah, married family man. I

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:23.240
<v Speaker 1>got two little girls and I got a boy coming

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.360
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of a duck season right on timing.

0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:35.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's the way it goes circle. Well, great. Well, okay,

0:37:35.200 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>let's talk about let's talk about whole car er um this.

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:42.600
<v Speaker 1>So this podcast has been the works for a long time. Yeah,

0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean I talked to you about this a year

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and a half ago, did not, didn't We talked sometime ago? Yeah, yeah,

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.719
<v Speaker 1>And and it's just it's like it's been in the docket,

0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:56.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know, kind of how this stuff rolls out

0:37:56.239 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 1>is sometimes opportunistic, sometimes strategic. Um. And it just like

0:38:01.280 --> 0:38:04.520
<v Speaker 1>came up in the rolodex, the Bear Grease Rolodex, like

0:38:04.719 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Holk Collier. It's time. And so I was. I contacted Jonathan,

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 1>I contacted minor Ferris Buchanan. I love his name, like

0:38:15.360 --> 0:38:17.799
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say it over and over, Um, how

0:38:17.840 --> 0:38:22.680
<v Speaker 1>do you spell the minor? Am I in music? In

0:38:22.800 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>my in r I've got questions about his name. But

0:38:26.280 --> 0:38:31.960
<v Speaker 1>Minor first Buchanan, I like him a lot. Uh and

0:38:32.000 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 1>then Hank Burdon, So Jonathan, Hank and Minor where the

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:42.799
<v Speaker 1>where the guests? And uh? Yeah, So like what was

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:46.759
<v Speaker 1>your what was your thoughts? Yeah? I I it was

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:50.320
<v Speaker 1>such a good podcast. We were I was actually driving

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 1>with our oldest daughter across across the US, across the

0:38:53.960 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>east coast trying to get her moved, and we were

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:59.120
<v Speaker 1>listening to it and and I mean it was just

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.239
<v Speaker 1>like every break, I was sad that there was a

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.480
<v Speaker 1>break we kept. Yeah, it was. It was so intriguing.

0:39:04.520 --> 0:39:06.319
<v Speaker 1>And I've heard a lot about it, just as you've.

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:09.200
<v Speaker 1>But I think what I've heard mostly has been about

0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.879
<v Speaker 1>what the next podcast will be, you know, the next two,

0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.239
<v Speaker 1>because you never talked about the things that we've Oh. Yeah, yeah,

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 1>this was just the first twenty years of his life. Yeah,

0:39:18.640 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 1>this is yeah, so I but I thought it was

0:39:21.480 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>so it was so interesting. Just his whole life was

0:39:24.320 --> 0:39:27.279
<v Speaker 1>just fascinating. What was what was most interesting? Well, I

0:39:27.280 --> 0:39:30.480
<v Speaker 1>mean I just think it was fascinating just thinking about

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.440
<v Speaker 1>the time that he lived, like the era that he

0:39:33.480 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 1>existed on this earth and how how you know, who

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 1>we became inside of that and uh, and I just

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was super interesting. Oddly, I thought it

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 1>was also super interesting how minor fairs became in the

0:39:48.719 --> 0:39:51.360
<v Speaker 1>pathway to write in this book. That was super random

0:39:51.360 --> 0:39:54.359
<v Speaker 1>in my opinion. Um, but that but it was just

0:39:54.400 --> 0:39:57.319
<v Speaker 1>it was just really fascinating. The whole just his whole

0:39:57.360 --> 0:40:03.200
<v Speaker 1>life story was just so not you'd expect. Yeah, Dad,

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>what do you think? I thought it was very good. Uh,

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:13.399
<v Speaker 1>just a lot of a lot of thoughts. Um, let

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:18.280
<v Speaker 1>me ask this question. If he was white with basically

0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:21.920
<v Speaker 1>the same story tied in with the Hinz fourteen years

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:26.040
<v Speaker 1>old went in the Civil War, I mean, would the

0:40:26.080 --> 0:40:30.400
<v Speaker 1>story be any different? I mean it would be. You

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:32.680
<v Speaker 1>don't know that you would have paid attention to it

0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 1>had he been a white boy. Sure. So what's made

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.319
<v Speaker 1>this interesting to most people is that he was a

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:43.799
<v Speaker 1>black guy. So why was he so special? And? Uh,

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>I think he revealed a lot of it. The depth

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:50.759
<v Speaker 1>of it was just amazing. It was almost as good

0:40:50.800 --> 0:40:55.360
<v Speaker 1>as Jonathan's podcast. You know, it just reveals things where

0:40:56.280 --> 0:41:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Um M, it's it's just a subject

0:41:02.960 --> 0:41:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that I think educated a lot of people. You know that,

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:11.160
<v Speaker 1>um on this on this one, this podcast just tells you,

0:41:12.480 --> 0:41:17.200
<v Speaker 1>uh that there's just great people everywhere, and this guy

0:41:17.320 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 1>was one of them. And he was exceptional. I think

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:25.520
<v Speaker 1>because of his d n A in the environment he

0:41:25.600 --> 0:41:29.480
<v Speaker 1>was in just pulled everything together where he was a

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:33.319
<v Speaker 1>powerful person and and he couldn't help it. I mean,

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 1>he was a magnet wherever he was. When he walked

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:39.120
<v Speaker 1>in the room, I mean, you go, like, here's this

0:41:39.160 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 1>little scrimpy guy. But I mean he just captivated everybody,

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and so racism almost was not even in the subject.

0:41:48.200 --> 0:41:50.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean in a way. I mean it was big racism,

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 1>but it was like, Hey, we like this guy because

0:41:53.880 --> 0:41:56.600
<v Speaker 1>who he is. We don't care what color he is.

0:41:56.880 --> 0:41:59.279
<v Speaker 1>We want him to ride into cavalry. We want him

0:41:59.320 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to guide and bear hunt, we want you know, we

0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 1>want all this stuff because he's just thinking winner and

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:07.680
<v Speaker 1>I want to be a little bit of it. I mean,

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>that's what that's what you feel like you see because

0:42:09.960 --> 0:42:15.640
<v Speaker 1>everywhere he goes, he's people are singling him out and

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 1>just just he was and and and that. That's what

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 1>I said inside of this is that, you know, I didn't.

0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.799
<v Speaker 1>I didn't And I said this to Jonathan, I said

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>it to everybody. I didn't want to turn this into

0:42:26.560 --> 0:42:31.000
<v Speaker 1>a podcast just about race. I wanted to celebrate this

0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.440
<v Speaker 1>guy's life. But I think we owe it to Holt

0:42:34.920 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 1>to look at it because that was the back, that

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>was the that was the hedge of mom, that was

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 1>the dominating thing of his life, was that he was

0:42:42.719 --> 0:42:45.239
<v Speaker 1>a black guy in the South doing stuff that at

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:50.160
<v Speaker 1>the time, you know, just wasn't normal at all. And

0:42:50.160 --> 0:42:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and but he he made it it's like almost like

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.240
<v Speaker 1>he from the story, from the version of the stories

0:42:55.280 --> 0:42:58.840
<v Speaker 1>we have, like he made it kind of look easy.

0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>And that's what Jonathan did so well, was to say, yeah,

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 1>this stories, you know, pretty easy to tell. But it

0:43:08.160 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 1>was whole lived a very complicated life and it was

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 1>it was wild time. And you know, I thought Jonathan

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:19.080
<v Speaker 1>did a good job of bringing in just like, hey,

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 1>this story is not probably as simple as it sounds.

0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, um, let me ask you this is I

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 1>feel like you said in this podcast that he had

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 1>killed three thousand bears by what age. Well, just in

0:43:31.080 --> 0:43:33.800
<v Speaker 1>his life and his life that is wild, right, I

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.319
<v Speaker 1>mean that's exceptional. I mean I know, it's like a

0:43:37.320 --> 0:43:44.280
<v Speaker 1>whole different time period combined. Yeah, so that's exceptional. And yeah,

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 1>that's because I think I think you might have actually

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>heard the whole call your story if even if he

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have been in the in the context that he

0:43:54.360 --> 0:43:58.000
<v Speaker 1>was in. But I especially thinking about what is about

0:43:58.000 --> 0:44:00.400
<v Speaker 1>to happen in the next I'm like, foreshead and you

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.560
<v Speaker 1>can tell we've already told everything that's gonna happen. What

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 1>are you talking about? Roosevelt. Yeah, yeah, him hunting with

0:44:06.160 --> 0:44:08.799
<v Speaker 1>with Teddy Roosevelt and then like a global icon and

0:44:09.080 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 1>just having killed three thousand bears. I mean that's when

0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:15.240
<v Speaker 1>you said that, I thought that can't be, that cannot

0:44:15.239 --> 0:44:20.719
<v Speaker 1>be true. Yeah, but it is true. Yeah. I mean, so,

0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:24.200
<v Speaker 1>so what you'll learn, well maybe maybe we've already talked

0:44:24.239 --> 0:44:26.520
<v Speaker 1>a lot about that, but he he basically had a

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.440
<v Speaker 1>log where he had logged bears, and these market hunters

0:44:30.520 --> 0:44:34.080
<v Speaker 1>kept records, not like we keep records today kind of

0:44:34.120 --> 0:44:38.040
<v Speaker 1>as we hunt. They kept records like financial records. It's

0:44:38.080 --> 0:44:41.319
<v Speaker 1>like taxes, you know. And so he had a he

0:44:41.360 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 1>had a log I think when he was at some

0:44:44.520 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>latter part of his life but not finished bear hunting,

0:44:47.239 --> 0:44:50.200
<v Speaker 1>where he'd killed twenty one bears, and a house burned

0:44:50.200 --> 0:44:56.560
<v Speaker 1>down and destroyed that log. But basically, uh, they really

0:44:56.600 --> 0:45:00.120
<v Speaker 1>believe that he killed three thousand bears in his I

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:03.879
<v Speaker 1>mean that wouldn't be It's not unheard of from the

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.040
<v Speaker 1>market hunting the peak of the market hunting era, but

0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:10.760
<v Speaker 1>at the at the at the peak, no, I I can't.

0:45:11.520 --> 0:45:13.960
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm just saying it's not There's people that

0:45:14.000 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 1>have done that, but very few, and I mean Boone

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:19.399
<v Speaker 1>the thing. I think Johnah was the one who said

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:21.799
<v Speaker 1>it to me, maybe not on the air, but like

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:27.279
<v Speaker 1>Boone did some market bear hunting, But Boone didn't bear

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 1>hunt for thirty years market He market hunting for periods

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:34.200
<v Speaker 1>of his life. And there was a year when he

0:45:34.280 --> 0:45:37.000
<v Speaker 1>killed the hundred and fifty five bears on the on

0:45:37.080 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the Little Sandy River in Kentucky and that was you know,

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:42.680
<v Speaker 1>if he had done that for thirty years, he would

0:45:42.680 --> 0:45:44.759
<v Speaker 1>have had his you know, more than that. But like

0:45:45.120 --> 0:45:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, he had a long Holt had a long

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and illustrious career as a market bear hunter in a

0:45:52.880 --> 0:45:55.560
<v Speaker 1>good part of the world to be market bear hunting. Jonathan,

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 1>what do you think overall podcast? How did how did

0:45:58.480 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>it come off? Yeah? Man, I thought I told you

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>on the phone man, I thought I thought it was

0:46:03.440 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 1>well done. I was happy to be a part of it. Yeah,

0:46:06.840 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do think that, you know, part of

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:13.359
<v Speaker 1>what's so compelling about the guy is that it's I

0:46:13.400 --> 0:46:19.920
<v Speaker 1>feel like his story is so extraordinarily multifaceted that putting,

0:46:21.239 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, putting any sort of kind of parameters on him,

0:46:25.640 --> 0:46:29.799
<v Speaker 1>or trying to quantify our understanding of his motivations or

0:46:30.200 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 1>everything he was doing is we're never going to get

0:46:33.480 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the full picture of it, right uh. And And like

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.000
<v Speaker 1>I said, we've talked about on on the phone, because

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:41.360
<v Speaker 1>we've talked about this a couple of times on the

0:46:41.360 --> 0:46:44.040
<v Speaker 1>phone the last few weeks, I think that we would

0:46:44.080 --> 0:46:46.839
<v Speaker 1>know about I think that his story would be worth

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>telling if he wasn't black, because I think that he

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 1>did so many extraordinary things, right Uh. I think I mean,

0:46:54.760 --> 0:46:56.759
<v Speaker 1>like we talked about before, like every ten years of

0:46:56.760 --> 0:47:01.920
<v Speaker 1>this guy's life, there's some fantastic story, right Uh. And

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>I do think that the relationships he had with the

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:09.680
<v Speaker 1>people around him are part of what's extraordinary about him. Uh.

0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.719
<v Speaker 1>But I'm gonna I'm gonna actually disagree a little bit

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.959
<v Speaker 1>with you here, Gary and say that I don't think

0:47:14.960 --> 0:47:20.719
<v Speaker 1>that I don't think that it was I don't think

0:47:20.760 --> 0:47:23.400
<v Speaker 1>it could fully get that because of the time. I

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 1>don't think that, you know, him being black could ever

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 1>be inconsequential to the way he interacted with people. Something

0:47:31.320 --> 0:47:33.640
<v Speaker 1>I really thought about when I was listening back to

0:47:33.719 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 1>that podcast was if you think about you know, the

0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 1>two guys are possibly three, but like the two guys

0:47:40.760 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 1>that we know he killed, I think that if I

0:47:45.440 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 1>think that if he had killed Southern men of standing,

0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think he would have been acquitted. I think

0:47:55.160 --> 0:47:59.200
<v Speaker 1>that I think it's the people that he took out, right,

0:47:59.680 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like especially if you think about, uh, if

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 1>you think about the Freedman's Bureau guy, right, like, I

0:48:07.719 --> 0:48:10.680
<v Speaker 1>mean that was a that was the union guy. He

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 1>was in the community would have liked. Yeah, I mean

0:48:14.120 --> 0:48:16.799
<v Speaker 1>absolutely detested. I mean even to the point that if

0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:21.200
<v Speaker 1>you if you listen to that podcast, uh, Hankberg Dyne

0:48:21.400 --> 0:48:24.920
<v Speaker 1>used the word carpetbagger, right, which is a pejorative, right,

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:26.560
<v Speaker 1>It's a pejoraty of were here here in the South

0:48:26.640 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>still sometimes, but that's a holdover from you know, a

0:48:29.200 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 1>hundred and sixty years ago. Right. So I think that

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 1>undoubtedly he was an extraordinary and exceptional outline human being.

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:42.239
<v Speaker 1>Uh and and we talked about it too. I think

0:48:42.280 --> 0:48:46.719
<v Speaker 1>that he I'd be It'd be hard for me to

0:48:46.760 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 1>think that he didn't have close relationships with some of

0:48:49.120 --> 0:48:52.520
<v Speaker 1>these people, uh, you know, some of these kind of

0:48:52.520 --> 0:48:56.400
<v Speaker 1>wartime relationships, like people in a foxhole type thing. But

0:48:57.000 --> 0:49:01.960
<v Speaker 1>I also think that he was really adept And I

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 1>know you've got you've got schooled a little bit on mezzanine.

0:49:05.760 --> 0:49:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Just I'll just make I'll make the U. I'll make

0:49:07.960 --> 0:49:10.440
<v Speaker 1>the admission that I said adapt in that podcast when

0:49:10.480 --> 0:49:13.160
<v Speaker 1>I should have said a depth. But I think he

0:49:13.239 --> 0:49:16.160
<v Speaker 1>was really talking a lot. You're gonna mess something up, absolutely,

0:49:16.800 --> 0:49:22.800
<v Speaker 1>But I think he was really adept at negotiating his life,

0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, and in finding ways to be useful to

0:49:26.000 --> 0:49:30.960
<v Speaker 1>the people around him that endeared himself to them. Uh.

0:49:31.120 --> 0:49:33.160
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I think that if he had I think

0:49:33.239 --> 0:49:35.040
<v Speaker 1>that if he had just got if he had gotten

0:49:35.040 --> 0:49:39.359
<v Speaker 1>in a fight with Hines like old Hines and shot him,

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 1>I think his story would have ended very soon after that,

0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:47.799
<v Speaker 1>you know. But uh so I think so. I think

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:51.919
<v Speaker 1>that it's uh, like I said, man, it's so many

0:49:51.920 --> 0:49:55.120
<v Speaker 1>different layers to it that it's such a rich story.

0:49:55.160 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing too, that makes a story worth tell, right,

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:03.440
<v Speaker 1>is it's not just an adventure tale. I mean, this

0:50:03.520 --> 0:50:05.840
<v Speaker 1>is a this is a story that's like full of adventure,

0:50:06.719 --> 0:50:13.840
<v Speaker 1>full of heroism, incredibly long, like these interactions I'm almost

0:50:13.840 --> 0:50:16.560
<v Speaker 1>like forced Gump, like running into all these different historical

0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:19.120
<v Speaker 1>figures and stuff. Right, But then when we start to

0:50:19.160 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 1>really try and investigate the nuance of it, and you know,

0:50:24.200 --> 0:50:28.720
<v Speaker 1>and and put the real human perspective into it. Uh,

0:50:28.880 --> 0:50:34.120
<v Speaker 1>it almost reaches like a point of being hard to believe. Yeah,

0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:39.160
<v Speaker 1>for sure, man. Yeah, it's uh well, Hank burd Eye

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.359
<v Speaker 1>said it in the beginning, he said, he said, it's

0:50:41.360 --> 0:50:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a story that you almost think couldn't have happened, but

0:50:45.000 --> 0:50:47.200
<v Speaker 1>it did. And that's why it's such a great story,

0:50:47.320 --> 0:50:51.920
<v Speaker 1>is is he he had so many things that happened,

0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.719
<v Speaker 1>but this the you know where he was and who

0:50:54.760 --> 0:50:59.719
<v Speaker 1>he was in this underlying thing was just so intriguing.

0:51:08.400 --> 0:51:11.399
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of wild that we all don't know Holtz name.

0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Now they know his name down there in in uh,

0:51:15.360 --> 0:51:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Jefferson County, Mississippi, And we're gonna unveil not that it's

0:51:20.280 --> 0:51:22.080
<v Speaker 1>a secret, it's not a secret at all. But there's

0:51:22.120 --> 0:51:26.799
<v Speaker 1>a federal wildlife refuge named after Holt Collier. Yeah, the

0:51:26.920 --> 0:51:29.760
<v Speaker 1>only one in the country that's named after an African American.

0:51:30.239 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 1>H Yeah. And so we're gonna talk about that at

0:51:34.239 --> 0:51:38.440
<v Speaker 1>a big festival. There's a festival uh in October, I

0:51:38.440 --> 0:51:40.799
<v Speaker 1>think that towards the end of October that they have

0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:46.000
<v Speaker 1>every year down there. Yeah, and you know that's that's

0:51:46.000 --> 0:51:48.799
<v Speaker 1>a uh that's probably something that happens with lots of people,

0:51:48.920 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 1>right like the cloistered community around where some activity or

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:57.799
<v Speaker 1>some person was, they know about it, but you know,

0:51:57.880 --> 0:52:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the broader country or world doesn't find out about it.

0:52:02.280 --> 0:52:07.319
<v Speaker 1>But now we've got the the internets. So yeah, he was.

0:52:07.440 --> 0:52:11.600
<v Speaker 1>He was heading shoulders above everybody almost. I mean, his

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:15.839
<v Speaker 1>d NA, his makeup, His little ten year old guy

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 1>gets the attention of the owner, you know, hines and

0:52:19.680 --> 0:52:21.680
<v Speaker 1>he goes, wait a minute, this guy, this little kid

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:27.160
<v Speaker 1>something special. I mean he's he can't help it, man,

0:52:27.160 --> 0:52:30.239
<v Speaker 1>this guy's just thinking genius. I mean he might not

0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.520
<v Speaker 1>have the IQ of a genie, but he's he attracts people,

0:52:33.880 --> 0:52:36.200
<v Speaker 1>he can do stuff, He makes things happen, even as

0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:39.120
<v Speaker 1>a little kid. They're going, what look at this little guy?

0:52:39.280 --> 0:52:42.920
<v Speaker 1>So he is he is one in a big number

0:52:43.120 --> 0:52:45.760
<v Speaker 1>of people that can do what he did. And because

0:52:45.800 --> 0:52:51.520
<v Speaker 1>he was black, it makes the story really interesting to me. Uh,

0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean he is. I mean, you know I've been

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.680
<v Speaker 1>around people like that. You know, you walk in a

0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:01.600
<v Speaker 1>room with a professional athlete and you just wonder. I mean,

0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:04.920
<v Speaker 1>he must come from a different planet. I mean, he's

0:53:04.960 --> 0:53:09.360
<v Speaker 1>a different species. You know that they're big, strong, powerful,

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:12.920
<v Speaker 1>most of them smart, and you're like, you know, just

0:53:13.040 --> 0:53:15.440
<v Speaker 1>cow down. I can't wait for him to leave the room. Man,

0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.520
<v Speaker 1>this guy's and that's that's kind of the way this

0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.840
<v Speaker 1>guy was. I mean he he might have been a

0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:21.960
<v Speaker 1>little guy, might have had a quiet voice, but he

0:53:22.000 --> 0:53:28.840
<v Speaker 1>was a powerful man, very powerful and um anyway, I

0:53:28.920 --> 0:53:33.719
<v Speaker 1>love this guy. There was definitely something throughout his entire

0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:39.200
<v Speaker 1>life that was evocative for other people, right. Uh. I

0:53:39.239 --> 0:53:45.880
<v Speaker 1>would say though, too, that what I've been struck by

0:53:45.960 --> 0:53:49.520
<v Speaker 1>is that if I think, if you really look at

0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:50.480
<v Speaker 1>it and you go back to like when he was

0:53:50.480 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 1>a little kid, and he's kind of starting his market hunting, right,

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 1>because that's really kind of like a form of market hunting, right,

0:53:56.120 --> 0:53:58.880
<v Speaker 1>he was hunting for the plantation. I think one of

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the things that allow out him to really explore the

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 1>extraordinary DNA as you're referring to it, uh, was that

0:54:07.440 --> 0:54:11.280
<v Speaker 1>I think he was really I think he was really

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:15.319
<v Speaker 1>nuanced and really kind of hip to the fact that

0:54:15.400 --> 0:54:19.840
<v Speaker 1>he made himself useful to the people around, right, and so,

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:24.360
<v Speaker 1>and that allowed him to avail himself two opportunities that

0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:30.120
<v Speaker 1>other people of his station would not have. So uh,

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:34.799
<v Speaker 1>you know kind of to me. I guess if there's

0:54:34.840 --> 0:54:38.719
<v Speaker 1>a sad part about his life is that I don't

0:54:38.960 --> 0:54:42.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that he ever fully got to realize

0:54:42.520 --> 0:54:49.040
<v Speaker 1>his potential for uh for just himself, right, Like he

0:54:49.120 --> 0:54:53.279
<v Speaker 1>had to be dexterous enough to always make it make

0:54:53.320 --> 0:54:57.200
<v Speaker 1>the society around him like need him or want him.

0:54:57.200 --> 0:55:00.440
<v Speaker 1>But I mean that's you know it like if you

0:55:00.480 --> 0:55:04.799
<v Speaker 1>ever seen Game of Thrones or something, I mean that's like, uh,

0:55:04.960 --> 0:55:08.120
<v Speaker 1>that's that's I mean, that's like a political game. Like

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:10.680
<v Speaker 1>you know, this guy I think had the had the

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:13.520
<v Speaker 1>dexterity of a politician coupled with the fact that he

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:18.080
<v Speaker 1>was his consummate outdoorsman. Right. They had to be incredibly tough, Uh,

0:55:18.200 --> 0:55:20.399
<v Speaker 1>he had to be incredibly nuanced and all these things

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:24.600
<v Speaker 1>he did and then still be able to to circumvent

0:55:25.920 --> 0:55:30.040
<v Speaker 1>the the norms of the time to where I think

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:35.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of undoubtedly he had close relationships with people, uh

0:55:35.120 --> 0:55:37.799
<v Speaker 1>that you might not expect him to write. You know,

0:55:37.880 --> 0:55:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it was natural though. He didn't have to go in

0:55:41.080 --> 0:55:44.720
<v Speaker 1>and go, look, I can see this game we're playing,

0:55:45.000 --> 0:55:48.680
<v Speaker 1>and if I get to be valuable, then I'm gonna

0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:51.680
<v Speaker 1>win this game. I think it was not he wanted.

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was just like that was part of

0:55:54.800 --> 0:55:58.000
<v Speaker 1>this thing that made him great is that, you know,

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:01.200
<v Speaker 1>he he just that was not trull and it just

0:56:01.480 --> 0:56:04.840
<v Speaker 1>you can portray it is having the political savvy to

0:56:04.880 --> 0:56:07.759
<v Speaker 1>do all this stuff. But I think I think the

0:56:07.800 --> 0:56:10.880
<v Speaker 1>guy was born with this stuff and that environment he

0:56:11.000 --> 0:56:15.319
<v Speaker 1>was in accelerated it and magnified it, where he was

0:56:15.400 --> 0:56:19.879
<v Speaker 1>just a powerful person by natural gift is the way

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I see it, more than a calculated thing. Now, he

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:26.759
<v Speaker 1>was smart enough to have calculated it and done a

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:29.879
<v Speaker 1>lot of great stuff. But I'm not sure you can

0:56:30.480 --> 0:56:33.360
<v Speaker 1>a ten year old can be smart enough to go,

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:35.279
<v Speaker 1>man if I can kill them a bunch of bear,

0:56:36.000 --> 0:56:40.240
<v Speaker 1>you know. I mean he wanted, he wanted to be helpful.

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:43.600
<v Speaker 1>He wanted and it just ended up being a great asset.

0:56:43.800 --> 0:56:45.880
<v Speaker 1>That's probably the way. I mean a lot of us

0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:48.360
<v Speaker 1>are and a lot of different scenarios too, you know,

0:56:48.560 --> 0:56:54.359
<v Speaker 1>just like find find how to in the context you're

0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:58.400
<v Speaker 1>in useful valuable. I think part of the endearing nature

0:56:58.440 --> 0:57:01.279
<v Speaker 1>of the story is the loyalty aspect of it. That

0:57:01.880 --> 0:57:05.160
<v Speaker 1>his loyalty to the different people inside of his life,

0:57:05.160 --> 0:57:09.040
<v Speaker 1>even like going he heard that doesn't even remember the

0:57:09.080 --> 0:57:13.399
<v Speaker 1>guy's name, the the union officer, what was his name, Well,

0:57:13.400 --> 0:57:18.200
<v Speaker 1>the guy the guy killed allegedly allegedly he went after

0:57:18.240 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Captain Well allegedly went after Captain King. I'm not glad

0:57:21.680 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 1>I think he did it. Is that sugarcane for me?

0:57:30.040 --> 0:57:33.000
<v Speaker 1>Just like that anyway, So I think, like, you've got

0:57:33.040 --> 0:57:35.560
<v Speaker 1>these stories, but then you also have a lot of

0:57:35.600 --> 0:57:39.280
<v Speaker 1>different people being loyal back to him the Texas night,

0:57:39.600 --> 0:57:43.080
<v Speaker 1>sitting out there waiting on him for during the court trial,

0:57:43.160 --> 0:57:45.440
<v Speaker 1>and you see those stories, and so I think that

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the when I was listening to it, the thing that

0:57:48.080 --> 0:57:52.920
<v Speaker 1>that struck me was just this theme of of loyalty, irrational,

0:57:53.360 --> 0:57:58.160
<v Speaker 1>not common for that time, type of of loyalty coming

0:57:58.200 --> 0:58:01.360
<v Speaker 1>in all different everybody gave back to him, like every

0:58:01.400 --> 0:58:04.959
<v Speaker 1>relationship you see that loyalty coming back to him, which

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:10.760
<v Speaker 1>is unusual. Undoubtedly, Yeah, I think there's an element of

0:58:10.760 --> 0:58:12.480
<v Speaker 1>what you guys are talking about. I don't think that

0:58:12.560 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 1>there mutually exclusive this idea that like he was born

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:21.440
<v Speaker 1>with an uncanny gift. But also like when I think

0:58:21.480 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>of a young kid, like uh, like an abuse survivor

0:58:26.160 --> 0:58:28.840
<v Speaker 1>or whatever, do you see how that molds their behavior

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.480
<v Speaker 1>as soon as like, oh, I've connected that X and

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:35.520
<v Speaker 1>Y equals Z, so if I do this, I can whatever.

0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:39.240
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that everyone thrives in that scenario, So

0:58:39.320 --> 0:58:41.960
<v Speaker 1>I think that there is a natural gift there, but

0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 1>I think that there is probably some also learned and

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:52.240
<v Speaker 1>calculated responses. I think what's really interesting about that is, um,

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:56.240
<v Speaker 1>going back to an earlier podcast, luck or providence or whatever,

0:58:56.560 --> 0:59:01.240
<v Speaker 1>he has some really huge strokes of luck. Right. I'm

0:59:01.280 --> 0:59:05.360
<v Speaker 1>not here to paint Hines as a as a empirically

0:59:05.360 --> 0:59:07.360
<v Speaker 1>good man or a bad man or whatever. He was

0:59:07.440 --> 0:59:10.400
<v Speaker 1>a slave owner, but he got pretty lucky to get

0:59:10.400 --> 0:59:14.480
<v Speaker 1>a guy who could Um, it wasn't altruism that he

0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:19.200
<v Speaker 1>uh directed towards Holt, but to have an owner that

0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:24.240
<v Speaker 1>might be open minded enough to say, like I, it's

0:59:24.400 --> 0:59:27.040
<v Speaker 1>I I struggle for the semantics here, because there's certainly

0:59:27.040 --> 0:59:30.960
<v Speaker 1>could have been other alternatives for an owner to the

0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.880
<v Speaker 1>way they treated their people. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not

0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:36.480
<v Speaker 1>trying to say like that he was doing something empirically

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:39.160
<v Speaker 1>good by being less bad to hold than another owner.

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:42.360
<v Speaker 1>That's the language struggle that I'm having there. But like

0:59:42.400 --> 0:59:44.800
<v Speaker 1>he was fortunate to have that, he was fortunate to

0:59:45.280 --> 0:59:48.200
<v Speaker 1>when he ran away to join him, like to have

0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.960
<v Speaker 1>found his master, Like the story of him getting off,

0:59:52.120 --> 0:59:54.280
<v Speaker 1>like stowing away on a boat and then getting off.

0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:58.680
<v Speaker 1>Where were they in Memphis? Is that where they were mustering? Uh?

0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:00.640
<v Speaker 1>I just remember the story of him like and then

1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:02.560
<v Speaker 1>he showed up, And it's like if I showed up

1:00:02.560 --> 1:00:05.160
<v Speaker 1>in a big city, like the odds of finding one

1:00:05.240 --> 1:00:07.880
<v Speaker 1>person in that huge city. Maybe there was more to

1:00:07.920 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>that story that I missed, but there were like these

1:00:10.280 --> 1:00:13.560
<v Speaker 1>moments of serendipity that followed him around. I think it

1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.720
<v Speaker 1>gets back at the idea of this like you can't

1:00:16.880 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 1>remove any one leg of this table, Like he's an

1:00:20.160 --> 1:00:26.400
<v Speaker 1>uncommonly gifted guy, He's has uncommon experiences. He you know,

1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:29.880
<v Speaker 1>the fact that he's black, and that changes that paradigm. Like,

1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:32.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know it you're making, man, You're making some

1:00:32.720 --> 1:00:35.120
<v Speaker 1>really astute points, and I think I think, I think

1:00:35.120 --> 1:00:38.080
<v Speaker 1>what you said was well said, man, is that none

1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:41.160
<v Speaker 1>of this stuff is mutually exclusive. Like I guess I

1:00:41.200 --> 1:00:46.920
<v Speaker 1>feel a certain responsibility to push back against uh kind

1:00:46.960 --> 1:00:51.240
<v Speaker 1>of a disneyfication of his life. But I think everything

1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:56.280
<v Speaker 1>that folks are are picking up about this guy's is there,

1:00:56.600 --> 1:00:59.920
<v Speaker 1>which is why he's so fascinating because he's extraordinary. You're right,

1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:07.080
<v Speaker 1>he lived through extraordinary times. Extraordinary Uh you know, what

1:01:07.120 --> 1:01:10.680
<v Speaker 1>do you call luck or providence or whatever? Uh. I

1:01:10.720 --> 1:01:15.200
<v Speaker 1>think he's super savvy. I think that you know, he

1:01:15.280 --> 1:01:18.840
<v Speaker 1>made the most of kind of extraordinary situations he found

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<v Speaker 1>himself in. Uh. Yeah, it's it really is. The more

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<v Speaker 1>I think about it, the more I look into it,

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<v Speaker 1>the more I work, you know, on research about this guy,

1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:34.480
<v Speaker 1>it's and I don't think this is an overstatement. I

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<v Speaker 1>really feel like it's one of the greatest American stories

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<v Speaker 1>I've ever heard. He is an absolute Shannon example of

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<v Speaker 1>perseverance if there ever was one, and taking it I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know if taking it you could accuse him

1:01:50.040 --> 1:01:53.760
<v Speaker 1>of taking advantage of anything because of where he lived

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<v Speaker 1>and when he lived, but what he built out of

1:01:58.160 --> 1:02:01.840
<v Speaker 1>that we're talking about him today. How long has that been?

1:02:01.880 --> 1:02:05.120
<v Speaker 1>A hundred sixty years ago? How many people were in

1:02:05.120 --> 1:02:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the Civil War, It was like up to ten thousand.

1:02:08.520 --> 1:02:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I think that black people, African Americans have served on

1:02:12.360 --> 1:02:15.680
<v Speaker 1>the Confederate side, and we're talking about this one guy.

1:02:16.560 --> 1:02:19.480
<v Speaker 1>And this guy did a lot of good stuff. You know,

1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:23.760
<v Speaker 1>it was in some really unique places. Perseverance is what

1:02:23.880 --> 1:02:25.800
<v Speaker 1>I took from it. I can't wait for the next

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<v Speaker 1>What was your favorite part? What was your favorite halt

1:02:28.440 --> 1:02:32.800
<v Speaker 1>story in this one? Yeah, we can't go around favorite

1:02:32.800 --> 1:02:35.919
<v Speaker 1>halt story. You don't have to retell it necessarily, But

1:02:36.280 --> 1:02:40.360
<v Speaker 1>was there one that stood out to you? Yeah, shooting

1:02:40.360 --> 1:02:44.640
<v Speaker 1>that cat if, the alleged shooting of the of Captain King.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I mean, that's being in law enforcement and

1:02:48.640 --> 1:02:57.680
<v Speaker 1>having somebody wait a minute, you're here. Here's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as it's not a turkey break, having having

1:03:02.840 --> 1:03:05.160
<v Speaker 1>your fellas with you and you get in a tight

1:03:05.200 --> 1:03:07.280
<v Speaker 1>spot and somebody's got your back. There's a lot to

1:03:07.280 --> 1:03:10.560
<v Speaker 1>be said for that, you know. I mean you multiply

1:03:10.720 --> 1:03:15.760
<v Speaker 1>that by time's ten the situation he was in. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but well, and I haven't I just told the third

1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:24.280
<v Speaker 1>time that he like on the next on podcast too,

1:03:24.320 --> 1:03:27.080
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna talk about the other guy he's straight up killed.

1:03:27.600 --> 1:03:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I told about the guy he shot and wounded, and

1:03:30.720 --> 1:03:33.520
<v Speaker 1>told about Captain King, and we just like ran out

1:03:33.520 --> 1:03:37.680
<v Speaker 1>of time. So the beginning of podcast three is the

1:03:37.760 --> 1:03:41.720
<v Speaker 1>dude that he's straight up killed, and you'll see that

1:03:41.960 --> 1:03:44.560
<v Speaker 1>maybe it was his fault, maybe it wasn't. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>leave it there so self. So you liked the idea

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<v Speaker 1>that Holt was kind of I mean, we presume he

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<v Speaker 1>there was some some something of loyalty regardless where it's

1:04:01.000 --> 1:04:04.440
<v Speaker 1>favorite story, Jonathan in this podcast. You gotta keep it

1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:06.280
<v Speaker 1>to this one. I love the idea of him being

1:04:07.280 --> 1:04:11.000
<v Speaker 1>this little kid, you know, and just the thick palmetto

1:04:11.080 --> 1:04:12.920
<v Speaker 1>swamps and he goes out there with some gun you

1:04:12.920 --> 1:04:14.840
<v Speaker 1>know that I imagine is as tall as he is,

1:04:15.560 --> 1:04:19.880
<v Speaker 1>and coming back with a bear yeah, the long gun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, I mean I'm sure they didn't. I'm sure

1:04:22.400 --> 1:04:24.640
<v Speaker 1>they didn't give him, you know, the best gun of

1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the time. Right, So he's got some rough weapon and

1:04:28.040 --> 1:04:31.040
<v Speaker 1>he just goes out there and he makes it happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I just and also that's kind of that's like kind

1:04:35.360 --> 1:04:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of the beginning of the spark of this extraordinary life,

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<v Speaker 1>right Yeah, I agree. You can see that those formative experiences.

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<v Speaker 1>Um gosh, I like so many of them. Uh. I

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<v Speaker 1>like that he wore his hat the same way his

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<v Speaker 1>whole life. I really I don't know why, but that

1:04:52.240 --> 1:05:03.200
<v Speaker 1>was like the ninth ninth Texas Calvery No film Cavilry

1:05:05.160 --> 1:05:12.040
<v Speaker 1>for for mispronouncing words recently real Hard. The Whole Life

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<v Speaker 1>reminds me of back to the last podcast, Leon Boyd

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<v Speaker 1>wearing the letterman jacket his whole life. Yeah, I love

1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:21.040
<v Speaker 1>that kind of stuff, the whole the whole war, a

1:05:21.160 --> 1:05:24.919
<v Speaker 1>Confederate hat with a bill flipped up, and that there's

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<v Speaker 1>all those pictures of him as an old man with that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It just really like that I did.

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<v Speaker 1>When I heard it. I was like that, I love it,

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<v Speaker 1>not just that he had this thing from his his

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<v Speaker 1>youth that it was like, this is this is where

1:05:38.080 --> 1:05:42.840
<v Speaker 1>I fit from that. It seems like the keV. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't even say it on you did a great job,

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<v Speaker 1>Favorite Favorite party. They were gone a little bit out

1:05:51.080 --> 1:05:52.800
<v Speaker 1>of left field. But I'm gonna try to explain it,

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<v Speaker 1>the story of him like the kids wanting to hear

1:05:56.160 --> 1:05:59.000
<v Speaker 1>stories from him and being like it, go get me

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<v Speaker 1>an orange and the high and a plug of tobacco.

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<v Speaker 1>First of all, I don't partake in either of those,

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<v Speaker 1>but I want to start now those on the same

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<v Speaker 1>moral plane with you. I just don't hot take. I

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<v Speaker 1>think that soda might be worse for you than tobacco.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying it I'm saying it, Surgeon General, come fight me, um,

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<v Speaker 1>but check this out. I love it because I think

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<v Speaker 1>this gets back to something that is maybe a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of what you're talking about. But uh, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pointing at Gary Um this idea of his in dwelling

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<v Speaker 1>like innate understanding of his value, like identity is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the biggest struggles for people, and if you know

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<v Speaker 1>your identity and your value, it is going to determine

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of how your life goes. And for him

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<v Speaker 1>to be like an old man and be like, I

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<v Speaker 1>got something you want, You got something I want. Go

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<v Speaker 1>get your pennies together, get me an Ortsota and a

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<v Speaker 1>plug of tobacco, and I will give you everything you want.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know, I just love that it's not um,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not what we would necessarily expect or whatever. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It's just like such an endearing like

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<v Speaker 1>yeah that squeers in that story. Of all the stories

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<v Speaker 1>that Minor Ferris Buchanan told, it felt like he was

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<v Speaker 1>most proud of that one because that wasn't written in

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<v Speaker 1>an article, that wasn't written down somewhere in some place

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, like he he searched that one out

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<v Speaker 1>when he met this guy from that had moved to

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, which was interesting of itself too. This guy

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<v Speaker 1>had moved to Los Angeles, lived his whole life, was

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<v Speaker 1>an old man out there and was coming back to Greenville,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's where Minor met the guy. And it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of whole seems so far back there, like when

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<v Speaker 1>you think of someone when the Civil War, and to

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<v Speaker 1>think that Minor Ferris Buchanan, this guy, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>miners probably in his sixties, talk to a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>new Holt Collier that's set on his porch in Greenville

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen thirties, and the Holt was cracking knee

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<v Speaker 1>high SODA's. I mean, I guess that glass bottles back

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<v Speaker 1>then wouldn't have been an a limited bottle, right, um

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<v Speaker 1>it you know, it just it just it's just like, wow,

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<v Speaker 1>this really wasn't that long ago. And then when you

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<v Speaker 1>realize that, you can say, wow, it wasn't that long

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<v Speaker 1>ago that you know, heck, all this wild stuff was

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<v Speaker 1>happening in this country. But that's a great story. That

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<v Speaker 1>was a favorite story of mine too. Do we go

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<v Speaker 1>further in depth to the Teddy Roosevelt Teddy Bear Story

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<v Speaker 1>in future episodes. You're the assistant producer of this podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>shouldn't you know that? Of course we do. Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>hold my next question. Now we go into a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of detail in okay, I didn't want to like if

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<v Speaker 1>if storytelling, we're up to me and just like everyone, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>if y'all are all in my living room and I

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<v Speaker 1>was telling the whole Collar story, I wouldn't have. I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have told the punchline at the very beginning. But

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<v Speaker 1>the bad thing about podcasts and people listening that don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to listen to you, that's the reason I like

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<v Speaker 1>Missing so much, is she has to listen to me

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<v Speaker 1>because you talk over the top. She's listening to you, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Missy, look at me, and yeah, let me

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<v Speaker 1>tell your story. And I would drop the punch line

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<v Speaker 1>at the very end. I would tell all this stuff

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<v Speaker 1>about whole caller and then I'd go and then he

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<v Speaker 1>got it, Teddy Roosevelt. But the way you have to

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<v Speaker 1>do it this because Steve Ronnella gave me some great

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<v Speaker 1>advice early in Bear Grease, as he said, don't bury

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<v Speaker 1>the hook too deep. He really did. Don't bury the

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<v Speaker 1>hook too deep. So you kind of have to tell

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<v Speaker 1>people what you're gonna tell them early. So later we

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<v Speaker 1>will talk more about the Teddy Bear dad favorite favorite,

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<v Speaker 1>whole Car story, favorite story. You know, I did not

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<v Speaker 1>like the knee high chewing the back of story, But

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<v Speaker 1>because I have so much respect for this guy, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>thinking he was trying to teach these kids a lesson,

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<v Speaker 1>or he just wanted he had plenty of money. Why

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<v Speaker 1>what what didn't he f you in the back up? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna learn a lot about Whole Caller in the

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<v Speaker 1>next couple of episodes. I was disappointed in that. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well, you know you can tell from what

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<v Speaker 1>I said. You know, my appreciation has a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>depth to it. And the depth is he pulled all

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<v Speaker 1>that and it might be contrary to what Jonathan thinks,

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<v Speaker 1>which I respect his view more than mine. But those

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<v Speaker 1>people loved him. I mean, I'm telling you, the Hynds

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<v Speaker 1>loved this kid. I mean they went to they went

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<v Speaker 1>to shootout with him. I mean they got out and said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you won't let the kid ride with this buggy, let's

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<v Speaker 1>duke it out. And that truth. I mean, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>I think so much of this kid. Come on, he's riding,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna whoop you, Fanny. Then when he shoots that guy,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean he was protecting Hines, wasn't he. So? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this love was like father son almost. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he loved this kid, and this kid loved everybody. He

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<v Speaker 1>loved his Cavalry people, the Calvary people loved him. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm telling you this guy was so deep and complicated

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<v Speaker 1>in it all came natural. I mean, this guy, once

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<v Speaker 1>you say he's a criminal, it's kind of shooting a

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<v Speaker 1>hole in my stuff. But I think you know, he

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<v Speaker 1>was smart enough to plot some of this stuff out.

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<v Speaker 1>But his six buddies didn't come up there. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they come up there for any other reason.

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<v Speaker 1>They loved this guy. And see and and I'll speak

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<v Speaker 1>for Jonathan and I have talked a lot. I that's

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<v Speaker 1>why this story is so complex and interesting because basically,

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<v Speaker 1>and we don't even have to get into this, but

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<v Speaker 1>I hear what you're saying. But what Jonathan, I think

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<v Speaker 1>so skillfully did and there's no solution. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>he's right, you're wrong. Jonathan introduced the word to me. Binary.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not it's not black or white, but like, how

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<v Speaker 1>can how you know it's really I don't even necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>we we kind of got to close it down to

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<v Speaker 1>some degree. But you can say he loved him, but

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<v Speaker 1>he also enslaved the guy. You know, Jonathan, this this

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<v Speaker 1>this deal is black and white. To me. You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>stringly gifted kid that loves people and wants to help people,

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<v Speaker 1>and people go, look at this kid, man, I love

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<v Speaker 1>him and I want to help him. And and so,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean wherever he went, people were on his side.

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<v Speaker 1>He was on their side. And I mean he is

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<v Speaker 1>on the wrong side of the war. And you know why,

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<v Speaker 1>because he loved those people around him. He didn't he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't go, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna evaluate this now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking I need to be on the Union side.

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<v Speaker 1>He didn't do that. He goes, Man, people, I love you.

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<v Speaker 1>You've taken care of me. I'm gonna take care of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go to battle. Give me my m sixteen. We're going. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>You know to me, it's that simple. Yeah, gifted, loving guy.

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<v Speaker 1>I love the guy. I hear you. Stop it, stop it,

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<v Speaker 1>don't give Junth and Chiffs go back. Uh, Clay, what

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<v Speaker 1>was your favorite story his favorite story. I can't have

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite story. What this is a ridiculous question. A

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<v Speaker 1>great stories? Now, I I like the Knee High Orange.

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<v Speaker 1>I like, Uh, it's really hard for me because I

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<v Speaker 1>know his whole life, but inside of this, inside of

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<v Speaker 1>this one um him him getting in these gunfights was wild.

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<v Speaker 1>The ninth Texas Calary. If y'all would have done what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing, I would have been like, Nope, just pick one.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was the ninth Texas Cavalry. There is

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<v Speaker 1>hard to say you're doing great them being at the

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<v Speaker 1>court House in Vicksburg. Man, that story, it feels like

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<v Speaker 1>it has to be apocryphal, but it's so powerful, Like

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<v Speaker 1>guys like that, that's the end of a movie, man,

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<v Speaker 1>And that's just the beginning of this movie. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was to me that this story. What's

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<v Speaker 1>intriguing about it? And why you just couldn't You couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to miss anything? Is it is complex?

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<v Speaker 1>There's no it's he is loyal. People are loyal to him.

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<v Speaker 1>There's all sorts of subtexts around that, and why are

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<v Speaker 1>they loyal and what's driving that? And is he is

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<v Speaker 1>he actually free to be disloyal? I mean there's all

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<v Speaker 1>sorts of questions around it, but at the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the day, you've got the Texas ninth Cavalry showing up

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<v Speaker 1>and a slave master, you know, as and all those things.

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<v Speaker 1>We have appropriately negative thoughts of of these that these

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<v Speaker 1>things are still happening to this man. And it does

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<v Speaker 1>sound like it's a made for movie still. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>it just sounds it's almost like everything was so complex

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<v Speaker 1>and you can't understand it. I mean, this was an

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<v Speaker 1>hour long podcast, and I mean most people that's all

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<v Speaker 1>they would know about the story. It was an hour

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<v Speaker 1>in our commentary on it. But like there was just

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<v Speaker 1>there was so many complexities even when you yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>many complexities, but no, I think I think, uh, what

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<v Speaker 1>Jonathan did good and what he said here today, and

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted to do is not to like basically

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<v Speaker 1>this idea that this wasn't a Disney story and this

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<v Speaker 1>guy was living in the midst of it. There was

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<v Speaker 1>time and uh, and so it's easy sometimes to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the story and just be like, oh, this guy had

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<v Speaker 1>a great life and you know, and when you see

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<v Speaker 1>some of the other aspects of holtz life, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we're gonna tell them they're in the book there. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he wasn't a criminal, but I mean he just I'll

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<v Speaker 1>never believe anything other than what I've said here today. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Brent closing thoughts and then we gotta give Jonathan the

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<v Speaker 1>closing talk is Lowell to Gary. Oh, I'm ready for them.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm ready to get into the hunting's part. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's gonna be really intriguing because I mean he's

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<v Speaker 1>he started when he was ten, he's twenty at the

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<v Speaker 1>end of this podcast. He ought to be ripping and

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<v Speaker 1>rolling in the next one. I'm looking. Yeah, it's cool. Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming up. Man. Yeah, absolutely, Man, thanks, I

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<v Speaker 1>really appreciate it, really appreciate it. Uh, given the social

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<v Speaker 1>details real quick, how do they find you? Oh, just

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<v Speaker 1>black Duck Revival. You can google it, you can instagram it,

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<v Speaker 1>Black du revival dot com. Yeah, that's the duck hunts.

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<v Speaker 1>Goose hunts this winter are you're trying to get rid of? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I mean I've got like three or four

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<v Speaker 1>spots on a hunt. Uh at the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>year for speckle belly December. Yeah, so it's I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's like December thirtieth to January one. Uh yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what's left. That's the prettiest one. I think those those

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<v Speaker 1>speckle belly geese. Yeah, they're gorgeous. They taste the best.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just so pretty to watch. Yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>super uh they're super communicative to right, So like for

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<v Speaker 1>anybody who's in the bird hunting, that sounds more like

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<v Speaker 1>a turkey but you know, I mean like if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if what you like about turkey hunting is that that

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<v Speaker 1>talking to a bird, communicating with the bird. Speckle belly

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<v Speaker 1>geese are great for that because they talk back and

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<v Speaker 1>forth to you all the way in uh yep uh,

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<v Speaker 1>i'd say like if you know, closing thought, uh one, Gary,

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<v Speaker 1>I still love you, but and you know, and I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you know, part of me is worried that I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be labeled a contrarian of some sort, but at this

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<v Speaker 1>point in my life I might have already. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm probably wearing that that fairly proudly. But h yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I would just I would just reassert my thought that

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<v Speaker 1>what makes the story so fascinating to me is that

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<v Speaker 1>I think that there are aspects of what everybody in

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<v Speaker 1>here is relating that are true, right, and that we

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<v Speaker 1>got a squirrel tree down here there, dash hush, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and I heard that dog. But there's no way start over, Jonathan.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh So sorry, there are elements to what everybody's saying,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's there's truth in all of this stuff, right. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Well, I think what we owe to the

1:19:19.000 --> 1:19:22.400
<v Speaker 1>legacy of Whold Collier is to allow him to be

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<v Speaker 1>as multifaceted and nuanced as I think he was, allow

1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:30.320
<v Speaker 1>his life and his story to exhibit those characteristics. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and to continue to talk about him, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>and to talk about him and discuss him and think

1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:40.880
<v Speaker 1>about him and look to his example. Uh, with the

1:19:41.000 --> 1:19:43.519
<v Speaker 1>nuance that I think he lived his life with. And

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there's stuff for everybody to take something out

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<v Speaker 1>of this man's story, right. Uh. And so that would

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<v Speaker 1>that would be my closing thought. It's this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a again, this is not a binary story, right, This

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<v Speaker 1>is not a binary discussion. This is a a super

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<v Speaker 1>complicated thing. And and for me personally, that's those are

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of people and those are the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stories that I feel drawn to. Mm hmm, perfect, perfect,

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