1 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:17,080 Speaker 1: My name is Clay and Nucleman. This is a production 2 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render 3 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 4 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f 5 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear 6 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore. 7 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: Did Isaac get new boots? And what's happening to Brent's feet? 8 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Let's start with Isaac. I'm new boot. Those are those 9 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: are different than the ones before? Wow, they've got some 10 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: kind of metallic kind of looks like Allard Metallica. Well, 11 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened. I was at the Delta 12 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: Waterfowl Expo and Little Rock and I straight surfed across 13 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 1: the bathroom floor. There was a layer of moisture that 14 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: I hope was from a recent mopping, but I doubt 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: and just stop myself by banging my shins right into 16 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: the jurnal because I had I had leather leather sole 17 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: boots on, so I went for the hybrid ub So 18 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: we'll see. Those are what we'd call rough out boots, 19 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,960 Speaker 1: you know that, Miss Nukem sir Okay, So there's two 20 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: sides to leather. There's the smooth finish side and there's 21 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: the rough out, so those would be rough out. Nice, nice, Isaac. 22 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: Now let's talk about branch. What's happening. You don't know 23 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: where your Crocs were. I was trying to figure out 24 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: why you own them. Somebody gave them to me. Those 25 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: are very popular, they say, hey, dude, hey, dude, dudes. 26 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: I believe they are now owned by Crocs, so technically 27 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: on brand for Brent Reeves. I don't know. They just 28 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: they have a funny look with your your overall is 29 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 1: They're not funny look funny funny to carry about other 30 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: people a little more diplomatic. Okay, all right, I am 31 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: wearing muddy rubber boots. Welcome to the bar, Gary surrender. 32 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: This is uh, this is a fantastic day. Yeah, I'm 33 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: kind of just looking around at the footwear. Yeah, Brent 34 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: definitely wins the kind of preppy guy in the overall award. Yeah, 35 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: with those, we gotta skip over our guests. But he's 36 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: got a nice solid pair of Brogrand type brown boots. 37 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: Misty's wearing her extra tough rubber boots, which is great. 38 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: Isaac with his rough outs and Gary Nucomb with his 39 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: Sportivas trail running shoes. Great to see everybody. We have 40 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: a fantastic podcast aligned. I would like to introduce my father, 41 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: Gary Newcome to my right and how you been great? Great? Great? Great, 42 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: maybe even better than great. I hope you enjoyed this 43 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: whole Call your podcasts and have some insight for us. Well, uh, 44 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: I didn't. It was just a lot. To your right, 45 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: Isaac Neil, assistant to the regional producer with the Burgers podcast. 46 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: Glad you got to see me today. Good to see you, man, 47 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: Isaac's Isaac tells me today that he's got an appointment 48 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: for a new tattoo. You want to share with us 49 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: what that tattoo is? Mrs gonna maybe give me a 50 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: little bit of credit for it. Yeah, by all means, 51 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 1: Mry's gonna love this too, because I had this and 52 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 1: that there is some level of planning on this one. 53 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 1: I had it. I had the idea yesterday morning during 54 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: church and the tattoo artist, but I thought, I don't 55 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: know what about church inspired it, but I just popped 56 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: into my head. You know, I want to get a 57 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: possum in raccoon, So I think I'm going to get 58 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: a big possum and a raccoon on the backs of 59 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 1: my list. Why but these are like the creatures that 60 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: that are the worst. That's what raccoon they eat my 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: chickens about it. This is a great example of how 62 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: perspective informs someone like now, a raccoon to me is 63 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: one of the greatest beasts in North America. Chickens. But 64 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: that is why I like chickens, is because raccoons eat them. 65 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: That's very interesting. I don't know if it's appropriate. Well, 66 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: Clay's got a good possum story if he if he 67 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: feels up to sharing it. Part two. I just because 68 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: Isaac said, Missy's gonna love this. I want to make 69 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,960 Speaker 1: it clear I don't have a problem with Isaac getting tattoos. 70 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: The thing that is really Misty's a principal, so she 71 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: feels like she could well let talk. We stop saying that. 72 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: But I think what makes me nervous is that Isaac 73 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: gets tattoos sometimes without a lot of premeditation. And from 74 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: my perspective, these are your fraid he's gonna run out 75 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: of space. No, I'm concerned about These are lifelong commitments 76 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: to your skin. And it's just like how can you 77 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: make a decision like that that's so consequential. I think 78 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: he is in Yeah, I think he woul come back 79 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: to the possum story and I want to hear a 80 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,320 Speaker 1: little bit more about why the possum. But to your 81 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: We're gonna skip over our guests as we do. Brent Reeves, 82 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: great to see you, Hello, And then to your left 83 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: is my friend Jonathan Wilkins. Jonathan, great to have you 84 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: on the Burger Surrender. Thank you much. Tattoos. I've always 85 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: loved some of Jonathan's tattoos. You gotta this, Yeah, let 86 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,040 Speaker 1: me see. Let me see. He's got a beautiful rooster tail. 87 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: The fish is pretty. And then a picture of your mom. 88 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: How cool is that? This dog with the mustache is pretty. 89 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:35,960 Speaker 1: Sport got a dog with a big mustache. Let me 90 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: see the dog with a mustache, the picture of his mom. 91 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,839 Speaker 1: It looks like, Yeah, I saw that was when that 92 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: he had that. That was like when the first ones 93 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: I ever saw him. That's like twenty years old. Yeah, 94 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: capture your mom and like, like, I mean, I assume 95 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: she's aged in the last twenty years. Yeah, she was. 96 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: She was not crazy about it at first, not because 97 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: she was upset about the tattoo, but because she had 98 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 1: last is on and she had gotten Lasik. But you know, now, 99 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: this is what she looked like twenty years ago, so 100 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 1: she's all about it. Just what do you think. I 101 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 1: know that Lasik has developed a lot in the last 102 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: few years. Do you think there's a potential for Lasik 103 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: on tattoos? Do you think the tattoo can get late? Oh? Yeah, 104 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: I think that's a ridiculous question. YEA, Well, I was 105 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: just curious how much forethought Jonathan put into his tattoos, 106 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 1: as as opposed to her friend Isaac, who sometimes just 107 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 1: are you still in the tattoo market, Jonathan? Uh, yeah, 108 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: I've got a few that I I plan on getting 109 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: once my buddy opens up his new shop. Yeah, I 110 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: think I've I've thought about all of them for a 111 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 1: long time, and then I went I went seven years 112 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: without getting one. I was shooting. I haven't gotten a 113 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: tattoo and probably three years. Yeah, I'm cool with having 114 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: weird tattoos. I just you just want to think about it. Yeah, 115 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: And you know, I had some bad ideas when I 116 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: was younger that I'm glad I didn't. I didn't go 117 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: with Yeah, I try. I try to takes like a 118 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: real win when like ten years later you're like, I'm 119 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: glad I didn't do that. I mean, it feels like 120 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: you can look back on your past self and be 121 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: kind of like proud of how wise you were even 122 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,480 Speaker 1: in the midst of a bad decision. Maybe there's there's 123 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: some conversation that we had about the tattoos you didn't get, 124 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: and now how that's like a credit to pretty much 125 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: the story of my life. It's just a constant tattoos 126 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: didn't get. Do you have the tattoos? Be honest, I 127 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: have one? Do you really sinking ship sunk? I guess 128 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: we just got Yeah, and it was an undercover tattoo. 129 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: Let me see it's Batman in the middle. Can you say, 130 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: did you really get that while you were undercoverage? And 131 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: it's Batman the symbol? Rent? So wow, Brent, Tattoos as 132 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: good a friends as we are brand I'm I've never 133 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: seen your arm up that, huh. I don't. I don't 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: like showing the white parts of me anyway. You know. Anyway, 135 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: when ride along Tattoosy Gary, you want to go with 136 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: me on Friday? No, yeah, Matt, you could get a 137 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 1: possum in a coon. Yeah, I'll get and you get 138 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: the he's a black pantherom man. You know, when I 139 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: was when I was young, we used to joke around about, 140 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: you know, getting one tattoo, like in a place where 141 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 1: no one else would ever see it in a few 142 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: of my buddies did. But back then took tattoos. You know, 143 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: people just didn't get them, like the real rebels got tattoos. 144 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody with tattoos, so I guess I 145 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: didn't know when he was in the service, you know, 146 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean, I didn't go around 147 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: looking at people did Houston tattoos? You know, the World 148 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 1: War Two guys had uh anchors and mom and stuff 149 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: when they came back. But Houston taston heads. My grandfather tattoo. 150 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: I didn't know about it. Anybody was thinking tattoos. I 151 00:08:55,280 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: wonder about their stability. Example three on three here, it's 152 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: really new comes versus tattoos. Yeah, okay, let me well, okay, Isaac, 153 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: why the possum and coon? I just like the idea 154 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: of the miso predators getting some love. So you're okay 155 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: with a tattoo that has that little meaning to it. 156 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: What do you mean why do they have to have meaning? 157 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what I'm talking about. That's great, It's okay. 158 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: I like a raccoon. I like, I like grammar could 159 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,959 Speaker 1: put some meaning on it this period in your life 160 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: while you were you know. Yeah, for me, the tattoo 161 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: will always mean that. At this point in my life, 162 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 1: I was thinking about getting a possum and a raccoon 163 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: tattooed on me to remember that. Yeah, I don't know. 164 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: I like it feels verreos archy in to me. So 165 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 1: here's the possum story told. I've told this twice this week, 166 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: and it wasn't told it originally to be funny. It 167 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 1: was literally told as a means to explain the people 168 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 1: in my house and the man that was staying in 169 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: our barn, why something happened that potentially they saw, and 170 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: just to be just totally disclosing. It's not like we 171 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:11,840 Speaker 1: often have been just staying in our barn, Like, that's 172 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: not a yeah, we didn't find him out. So the 173 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: other night I hear I hear dogs barking, and I 174 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: don't tolerate barking dogs, and so they wake me up, 175 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna stop. Shortly, they don't stop. 176 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 1: They continue bark, bark, barking. It's Jed and Tim, Tim 177 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: the squirrel dog, Jed the coon dog. They bark so 178 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: much that finally I get up and I'm angry. And 179 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 1: usually I just lift the window in the bedroom and oh, 180 00:10:44,760 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: you ought to hear me my dog scolden voice. It's 181 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: scare a child. Often the dogs don't wake me up, 182 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: but always the dog's colding does. Yeah. And so I 183 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: wasn't I was so fired up. I wasn't even gonna 184 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: just open the window. I was gonna go downstairs and 185 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: go on the front porch and scold the dogs, you know, 186 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: just like h and uh. But about halfway down the stairs, 187 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: I realized they're not just joy barking. They're treeing something like. 188 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, they're looking at something. Wait, can we pause 189 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: this real quick? I got a question? Can we do 190 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: a how to video on how to scold the dog 191 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: in the middle of the way to do it? That works? 192 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: And a dog and an animal can read intent. So 193 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:28,440 Speaker 1: I've got another story about that too. Um. The so 194 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: I walk outside and I think those dogs are treat 195 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 1: and so I go from anger to a little bit 196 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: of excitement. I wonder what's in the tree. So I 197 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: walk out, and sure enough I see Jet and Tim 198 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: just treeing on one of our apple trees. And I 199 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: know that they're looking at something, and I'm like, what's 200 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,679 Speaker 1: in the tree. And I happened to be in my 201 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: underwear and barefoot, and then we happen to have a guest. Yeah, 202 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: so there's my buddy is staying over in the barn. 203 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: So the window of the barn looks right over the 204 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: apple orchard. Well, I've got my coon light on, and 205 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 1: I walk out in the grass barefoot and my underwear 206 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: and go and start circling this apple tree looking for 207 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: what's in the tree. Just want a pause, so that 208 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: everyone's got this coon hat, coon light. Yes, And so 209 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: I look up in the tree and there's a possum 210 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: about twelve foot up in the tree and the dogs 211 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: are just looking at it, just tree in this possum. Well, 212 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 1: I decide that the only way I'm gonna get rid 213 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: of this possum. And you know, we possums were bad 214 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: news on this farm, so I was gonna shake this 215 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: possum ount. I'll just be honest with you, that's what 216 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: I was gonna do. I shook the apple tree and 217 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: nothing fell but apples. And so I think, man, if 218 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 1: I can just crawl up this tree a little ways, 219 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: I can grab that limb and I'll just I'll just 220 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: shake that sucker down. And so there's a fork in 221 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: the tree and I reach up and grabbed the tree 222 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: and I go to climb in this apple tree. Now 223 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: remember I'm in my underwear, and I have my Sunspot 224 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: coon light, which are going to be for sale on 225 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: the meat eatrew dot com soon. For real. You can 226 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: get a coon light just like me and have best 227 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: light in the world. I've got it on, and I 228 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: go to climbing this apple tree barefoot. And I get 229 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: like a way up in the top of this apple tree, 230 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: and the possum just disappears into the stars, like I 231 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: don't know where he goes. This isn't a big apple 232 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: tree there. I once heard someone tell his story about 233 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:23,920 Speaker 1: how that they that like a slick tree, like when 234 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: a dog trees and there's nothing in the tree that 235 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 1: like the animal escaped into the stars and their dog 236 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: was still their tree, and that's what happened. I get 237 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: up to the top of the apple tree. I cannot 238 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: find the possum. I don't know what happened to him. Well, 239 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: so I decided that I've got to get down from 240 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: the tree. And I don't have my contacts in and 241 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: I'm barefoot. I don't know if you ever climbed apple 242 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: tree barefoot, But my foot is crammed down and the 243 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: crotch of this tree so deep that I can't get 244 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 1: it out. And so I'm like hanging and I feel 245 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: like I've got to like jump backwards just to land, 246 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: and my foot is stuck in the crotch of this tree. 247 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:01,360 Speaker 1: And I think I'm gonna come out of back out 248 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: of this tree backwards, and my foot is gonna stay 249 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,440 Speaker 1: in this tree and I'm gonna break my ankle in 250 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: this apple tree. So basically I just have this big 251 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,760 Speaker 1: kerfuffle coming out of the tree, and uh. And I 252 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: finally I feel like I'm like eight foot off the ground, 253 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: and I finally just go I got I'm just gonna 254 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: have to go up and then back and just like 255 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,920 Speaker 1: jump out. And when I go up and back and 256 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 1: jump out, I was like six inches off the ground 257 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: and then I kind of shined up towards where the 258 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: window was where my but he was staying to see 259 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: if he was watching me, and he wasn't. And then 260 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: I just walked back in the house and the dogs 261 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: were happy with that. They never saw the possum, didn't 262 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 1: come down, but the dogs were just like, yeah, that's 263 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: good enough. So you're telling me about this magic animal 264 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: that can right off into the stars, and You're like, 265 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: why would you get a tattoo of that creature? And 266 00:14:53,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, why wouldn't you get creatures? Yeah, awesome, Brent. 267 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: I've got another story for you that I haven't told you. 268 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: I had to leave my dogs out overnight this week. Well, 269 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 1: I went on a coon hunt. Wasn't planning to go, 270 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: didn't have everything charged up really great because I hadn't 271 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: been in a while, and I plugged it in for 272 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: the last hour before before dark, and I went out 273 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: and I took fern jed and Hoot the pup hoot 274 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: and um. We went and treat and a treat in 275 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 1: a spot where I don't think they had the coon. 276 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't find the coon, but it was thick and 277 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: bining and and so we made a big loop and 278 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: came around on the other side of the property and 279 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: the dogs, Ferns collar went dead. Jed didn't have a 280 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: collar because I only have two collars right now, and 281 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: who stayed with me? So Fern and Jed go off 282 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: and Ferns collar dies, and I'm up at the foot 283 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: of this mountain and I hear like, I can't hear 284 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: the dogs. And finally I'd say that for like forty 285 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: five minutes or an hour, I can't hear the dogs. 286 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: And I walked back to the truck like half a 287 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: mile and I can hear firm tread way back in there, 288 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: but I don't have the collar is dead and U. 289 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: And then when I walked towards her, when I got 290 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: to the foot of the mountain, I couldn't hear her. 291 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: And I can't course the dog because of a bad ear. 292 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: So three different times I tried to walk to her 293 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 1: and never could. Like I would just start walking to 294 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: her and I would lose her, and then I'd come 295 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: back like the way the truck set, you know, I 296 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: could hear. And finally at two am, I just left 297 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,480 Speaker 1: and I left her tread. I could hear her treating 298 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: I mean, like my you know, three quarters of a 299 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: mile away. I could not find her. Came back at 300 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: daylight and she wasn't there. And long story short, about 301 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: ten o'clock they showed up at the farmer's house I 302 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: was hunting on. So that's my story. I mean, if 303 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: you were using the Leon Boyd technique, you would have 304 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: never lost him. Stayed with them. Just take off sprint. 305 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:04,680 Speaker 1: Ye look like a fallen man. You just gotta make 306 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: it a habit as soon as you get home. I 307 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: don't care if it's nine o'clock at night or nine 308 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: in the morning. As soon as you get the house, 309 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 1: you got to put that stuff on the charge because 310 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,959 Speaker 1: I've been right there, will you. I know it. And 311 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: the whole deal as you go to that dog to 312 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 1: get out there because you she went and did what 313 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: you wanted to do. Yeah, and you gotta go to her. 314 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna talk about whole caller, but before 315 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: we do, Brent. Brent pulled something out of his pocket 316 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 1: today that shocked me. Brent, What do you have in 317 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: your pocket? What do you carry in your pocket? And 318 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 1: tell the story behind my whole all everything, or just 319 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:44,719 Speaker 1: this one maybe two? Well, I took two pocket knives 320 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: and chapstick and a buckeye and this buck I've had 321 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: since the first meeting you and I had, we went 322 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: on top of the mountain on a bear hunt. We 323 00:17:56,400 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: were we were side seating at that time, and there 324 00:17:58,320 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: was a bunch of buck eyes up there, and I 325 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: asked if you knew about guys being good luck for hunters, 326 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: and you said no, you hadn't heard that story. Now 327 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 1: that's not true, Gary, I blame you for that. Now 328 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: that is an outright live I rejected, because we carried 329 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 1: buck eyes our whole You're the one the top of 330 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: that was a kid. That part of the story is 331 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: not true. That that part may not have been true anyway, 332 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: I said, the only way these can be good luck 333 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: is if you one gives them to another that I 334 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't know. And you said, well here, so I handed 335 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: you one, and you handed me one. And this is 336 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: the one that you gave me. And I've carried it 337 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: in my pocket every day where everywhere when I get it, 338 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 1: if I leave the house with my breeches on, unlike 339 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: you know the possible, I've got this bucket in my 340 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: pocket uniform back when I wore a uniform from going 341 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: to church whatever, I've always got that. So you were 342 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: that undercover was before that one correct. But I had 343 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 1: one day because my dad had given it to me, 344 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: and I had we exchange my whole life back and forth, 345 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: and then they would just absolutely turned to the dust. Impressive. 346 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: And then you have a a quarter that your wife 347 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: gave you. It's a dollar, Okay, it's one of those. 348 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: Uh was that second? You will a dollar? And she said, 349 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: you know, it would help me find my way back 350 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: home always be if I'm in the woods, it would 351 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: help me get home. So I care that my pocket too, Jonathan. 352 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: Would you have the wherewithal to keep up with something 353 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 1: for like ten years a buckeye? I wouldn't. I probably not. 354 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: So if I had given you a buckeye ten years ago, 355 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: you'd probably lost it through. Yeah, I'm not as romantic 356 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: as nude. I've got a pretty good buckeye story. So 357 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 1: we Clay wanted to plant all native plants out here 358 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: when we first moved out here, so we planned some buckeyes, 359 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: and the girls were really fascinated. If you've ever seen 360 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: how a buckeye girls, it's pretty interesting. Right now, They're 361 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: all spiky and then they fall down and we would 362 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: just our girls. Even River came home last fall and 363 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,600 Speaker 1: she just like instinctively just started collecting them all and 364 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: put them in a vase in our our living room. 365 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 1: They just always would carry them around. River was a 366 00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: real funny girl. We would go places and Willow would 367 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: always be focused on getting getting the job done, getting 368 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: from point A to point B. River. You would turn 369 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: around and she would be about a mile behind us, 370 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: just picking things up, seeing all sorts of things that 371 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: we missed along the way, and putting them in her pockets. 372 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: So every time I did her laundry, I had an 373 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: empty out, you know, two pounds worth of interesting things. Well, 374 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: she was real fascinated with those buck eyes and she 375 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: would keep them in her pockets. And you know, I 376 00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,000 Speaker 1: don't know why people do this, but I get, uh, 377 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: real testy around people who narrate the potential doom that 378 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: could come that's really unlikely, but could happen. And someone said, 379 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: as we were putting River in the car, hey, don't 380 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 1: let her swallow that it's poisons. And this is a 381 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: bucket on the size of like half the size of 382 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: a golf ball. May not it's not really a swallow, 383 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, But I was a young mom, and 384 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: I was like, why would you even put that thought 385 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: in my head, and the River was real little, and 386 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: we we put her in the car and we drove 387 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: off and we were going to meet. Clay was actually 388 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: behind me. We had two cars and we were meeting 389 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 1: meeting somewhere, and I had River in the car. I 390 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: had my mom in the car. I had Willow in 391 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: the car. We're driving and Rivers just playing. Every time 392 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 1: I look back there, she's just playing with this buck eye. 393 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 1: And once I look back there and she doesn't have 394 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: the buckeye, and I said, hey, where's your buckeye? And 395 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: she looked and she she got this likely yeah. And 396 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 1: River talked real funny. She had some things going on 397 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: with their adenoids, so she had a real deep voice, 398 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: and she just got really like scared looking, and she 399 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: looked at me and she said, I's wallowed it. And 400 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: I was like, no, it is hollowing, and she said, 401 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: I swallowed it. Mama did. And all of a sudden 402 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:07,239 Speaker 1: she started like pay nicking in the car. And of 403 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: course my mom and I are looking at each other, 404 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:15,639 Speaker 1: and I called Clay. He was behind us. They have 405 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: just wallowed a buck eye. Are they really poisoned us? 406 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:19,680 Speaker 1: I mean, should I go straight to the e R 407 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: or do we have some time here? I didn't know 408 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:26,160 Speaker 1: like all that. So we pull over and Clay walks 409 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,639 Speaker 1: over there and we sit what river up and everybody's 410 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: looking in her mouth and looking and we set her up. 411 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,320 Speaker 1: We set her up and boom in her car seat 412 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,680 Speaker 1: is a big old buckeye and she had just lost 413 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: track of it and remembered that we have been so 414 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 1: she wasn't lying. She just thought like she was like, 415 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: I've mapped it out, have swallowed it, and she looked 416 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: at oh there, it is the same thing. If you 417 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: swallowed it too fast, you forget it. No, it'll be 418 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: in your chair when you stand. Uh. Hey, we have 419 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 1: just a few more housekeeping things to do here. On 420 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 1: the last Bargrease Render, I I put my mule up 421 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: for sale. And when I did this, I thought this 422 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: was a great idea to sell stuff on the Beargrease 423 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 1: Render podcast. And so we're actually starting an official Beargrease 424 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 1: bargain barn section of the Bargrease Surrender. And if and 425 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 1: this is for real, if you have something for sale now, 426 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 1: we're not guaranteeing that everybody that writes in is gonna 427 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: is gonna get their item put up for sale. We 428 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: need premium items. Okay, well that'll be the first one. UM. 429 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 1: But so basically we're every every week we're gonna have 430 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,560 Speaker 1: the Beargrease bargain barn where we're gonna we're gonna sell 431 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,879 Speaker 1: about three items and you can email your item to 432 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: bear Grease at the eater dot com. And I will 433 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: not be monitoring this email address, but someone will. And 434 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: it's got to be for real because we're gonna put 435 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: your your you have to have a social media handle 436 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: because that we don't want to put a phone number 437 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: or an email. We're not gonna be playing matchmaker. That's right. 438 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: We're just we're putting it out there. This is what's 439 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: for sale. We're not involved in the sale. We're not 440 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,439 Speaker 1: involved with money. Would take zero liability for uh, for 441 00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: anything that could possibly go wrong with this um and 442 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 1: but we're looking for for real stuff that needs to 443 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 1: be sold that you think would be a big fuit. Listeners, 444 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: what do you think you think it's gonna work? Uh, 445 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, I guess it could work. Like what if 446 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,719 Speaker 1: you had a duck boat that you needed sold and 447 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: you could get it in front of a bunch of 448 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: bargeras podcast listeners or some eagle feat pot belly stone. 449 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: One of those would be illegal. I mean you've got ah, 450 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: you've got a great listenership, so I'm sure that you could. 451 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: You can make a few shekels. Well, I mean it's 452 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 1: not we're not making money. It's not. It's not about 453 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: saying taking a Oh you think we're gonna move into 454 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: like taking a cut. Well, I mean, how hard is 455 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: it to start an Instagram account? You know someone named 456 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: Blay Buchum that was selling raccoon vacuums. There you go, 457 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: there you go. Okay, okay, well this is you're you're saying, 458 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: this is a way of fencing his ill gotten gain. 459 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: Well maybe not ill gotten. I don't. I don't think 460 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: he's poaching coons, but okay, I think there could be 461 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 1: an illst of trade. And li we finally get those 462 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: all bladders, we get stuck about this, No, no I have. 463 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: So this is for real. It's gonna be called the 464 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: Burgery's Bargain Barn, and there will be a short segment 465 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,479 Speaker 1: on the burgery Strender And so you can email what 466 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: you have for sale to bear grease at the meat 467 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,959 Speaker 1: eat dot com. And we're not we can't read everybody 468 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 1: stuff stuff, but stuff that we feel is appropriate, and 469 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: you know, tell us what it is, give us, give 470 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: us the whole sales pitch, and be ready for some 471 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: people to come knocking on your door. One of the 472 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: things we'd like to see is in the subject line 473 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:23,200 Speaker 1: and the email bear grease, bargain barn b G b 474 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: B something like that, and then really sell us on it. Yeah. Yeah, 475 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: it needs it needs to be a good ad. We 476 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:35,159 Speaker 1: need some effort. Yeah, yeah, we're gonna facilitate a sale. 477 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: Make it entertaining. Yeah, like, let me just put it 478 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 1: out here. Broken clothes dryer, we're putting that up probably not. 479 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: No pontoon boat turned into a tiki bar. Interesting, Yeah, yeah, yeah, 480 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: that's a good example. Would fired cook stove, old gas 481 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: tiller for the garden? Yeah? How much we send that for? 482 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: I don't know. We're getting going out. So yeah, we 483 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: just we just kind of want to facilitate some stuff 484 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: because because I put my mule up for sale the 485 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 1: other day and I had a few, a few bites, 486 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: a few nimbles, um, but I'm actually slandered the mule 487 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: a lot. I didn't slander the mule. That's why I 488 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: can never be a mule trader because I'm I'm I'm 489 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: too honest, ms nukem. It's it's hard to sell a 490 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: mule if you tell the truth every time. It's real hard. 491 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 1: And so that's the reason I've decided to keep Banjo. 492 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: And um, I've got a guy, my friend Michael Lanier, uh, 493 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: my Scurel hunting mentor and uh he was on Meat 494 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: Eater Season ten. I think with Steve Rinella and me 495 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: and we Scurore hunted and uh, Michael has found me 496 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: uh a guy here in Arkansas that well keep him 497 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: for thirty days and basically ride him. So that's a 498 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: thing you do if you have a mule, Jonathan, you 499 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: could pay someone. It's not it's that he's not training 500 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: the mule because the mule has been trained to some degree. 501 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: It's not like sending your kid boarding, right and so 502 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 1: but what most guys that listen, it's actually a pretty 503 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,639 Speaker 1: good business model. And if things don't work out for 504 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 1: me and outdoor media, I would consider doing this. Um 505 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: is uh you charge like, I'll just tell you that 506 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: this guy is going to charge six fifty dollars to 507 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: ride that mule for thirty days and do the math. 508 00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: If you had even let's say seven or eight mules 509 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,320 Speaker 1: for a month and your own and you were getting 510 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: paid six and forty bucks, you know, that's several thousand 511 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: dollars of income per month and all you would have 512 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: to do, and you don't write it every day. You 513 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: write it like five days a week, so they'll guarantee 514 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: you, you you know, they're gonna ride the mule like four 515 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: times or something for like thirty minutes segments, not like 516 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna write it all eight They're just gonna saddle 517 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: the animal, work the animal ride it unsaddled. So if 518 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: you woke up every day and you had the ride 519 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: eight mules, I mean an hour a mule would be 520 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: eight hours is a good, honest mule man's work day 521 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: of work. You know. So I have backup plans for 522 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: my career. I think that you could really kick start 523 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: your backup career by just going and writing people's mules 524 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: and then invoicing them on the back end. Don't wait 525 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: for them to send you a mule. Just find a 526 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: pasture with a mule in itop on it, send him 527 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: abil at the end of the month. That's a good idea, Yeah, 528 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: that's the mule story, that's the bear grease bargain barn story. Uh, 529 00:29:47,320 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: we've covered We've We've covered a lot. Jonathan Black Duck 530 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: Revival Jonathan is Black Duck Revival on on Instagram and 531 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: your business. Tell me about your Jonathan is Black Dunck Revival. 532 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:15,239 Speaker 1: Is that not a good way to kind of it's 533 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: kind of sound like you said, Jonathan's Black Duck Revival. 534 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: But that's that's funny. I don't know if I started 535 00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: did you just kind of you were slow and getting 536 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: it out, and so I was like, what's saying remaining honest, Well, 537 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: tell me about tell me about your waterfowl outfit. Huh 538 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: oh it's ah and the classes and what you do. Yeah, yeah, 539 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: I told the story. It feels so many times lately. 540 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: So some years ago I bought an old church in 541 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: a town called Brinkley, Arkansas, over and the the opposite 542 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: side of the state and the Delta and referbed it, 543 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: turned it into a lodge and then I started doing these. 544 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: Uh it's kind of curated hunt experiences where folks come out, 545 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: we go hunting for a couple of days. Do small 546 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 1: groups like cat the hunts at five people um. And 547 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: then we spent a couple of days hunting and just 548 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: going into depth about like whole bird processing. We look 549 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: at like wax plucking, dry plucking, mechanically plucking birds. We 550 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: do cooking classes and demos. You know, I'm real big 551 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: on like whole bird usage. So that's you know, cooking 552 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: the innards and using the feet and all that kind 553 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: of stuff. Uh. And you know it's got a bunch 554 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: of like Southern heritage stuff wrapped into it. So yeah, 555 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 1: I've got I've got a handful of spots left for 556 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: this season on that. So it's during duck season and 557 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: goose season. You have people come in and you host 558 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,200 Speaker 1: them at your lodge. You feed them, and you take 559 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: them duck hunting and goose hunt, and then and then 560 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: you teach them how to handle the ducks, handle the geese, 561 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: cook them. And I mean it's like a it's it's 562 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,320 Speaker 1: a it's a class, an immersive experience call it. Uh yeah. 563 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 1: Would you would you be upset with me if I 564 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: basically copied your model for coon and squirrel hunting? Go 565 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: for it, man squirreled what we call it, uh gray 566 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: squirrel revival. I don't know you'd have to. You'd have to, 567 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, secure large blocks of private land because you 568 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 1: can't guide for that stuff on public land in Arkansas. 569 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: What about you could can't. You can't guide for squirrel 570 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: hunting in Arkansas on public land. It's a fish only 571 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: on public land really, So there's no public land guiding 572 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,600 Speaker 1: in Arkansas as far as I understand it. Yeah, I've 573 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: just never thought because no one guides for squirrel. Yeah, 574 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: I mean, for a long time, you could do it. Uh, 575 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: you do it for ducks, but they shout. I thought 576 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: I thought they shut it down just for ducks because 577 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: of the pressure that waterfowl areas have from outfitters and stuff. Yeah, 578 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: I mean, I I I'm not saying I know that. 579 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,959 Speaker 1: I'm just saying I did not know, because I actually 580 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: had if the if if the outdoor media thing didn't 581 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: work and then the mule training thing didn't work, that 582 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: was option three? What about what about flashy mule revival 583 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 1: and then you train mule skinners. Man, I'm probably not 584 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: that good. You don't have to be that good. You 585 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 1: just have to get good. God, get him in, get 586 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: him out. Part of Jonathan's I think part of the 587 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: draw that's missing with a gray squirrel. It's just how 588 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: how beautiful it is. When the videos you've gone and 589 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: bear it's really a beautiful, neat place. And when you 590 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: see the birds flying above you. I mean that was 591 00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: that was kind of amazing, just a really amazing, amazing 592 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: experience too. It was I have to comments. One is Gary, 593 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: just ra give me the six D fifty bucks and 594 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: just keep your mule out here because it ain't gonna work, okay. 595 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: Number two, Oh you don't you don't think it's that's 596 00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: a con job. Yeah, your buddies turned on you all 597 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 1: right now. And on Jonathan, didn't you do a podcast 598 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:22,800 Speaker 1: on him under Bear Hunting Magazine. I'm gonna tell you, Jonathan, 599 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,279 Speaker 1: You're my hero. Oh. I was so impressed. If you 600 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: have not heard that podcast, go back and find it. 601 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: That was my favorite podcast ever. And I told Clay, 602 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: I said, that guy right there is this thinking real 603 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 1: deal and I love him. And I'm telling you, I 604 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: was so impressed. We were at a family reunion, you remember, 605 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: and I go, man, you guys gotta find this podcast 606 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: and and you know, you explained some stuff that I've 607 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 1: never heard before that made the world so much clearer 608 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: for me and I just want to say that you 609 00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:09,000 Speaker 1: going home brother. Thanks, uh, sorry to disappoint you can 610 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,879 Speaker 1: find out I'm a tattooed Carny. That's where you looked 611 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: around at the world today. And if what I said 612 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: is true, it's we're in big trouble because everybody. Yeah no, yeah, 613 00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: Jonathan and I did a podcast a couple of years ago. Yeah, 614 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: on the front Porch. Yeah, yeah, no, we just we 615 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: basically just talked about race issues. I don't know how 616 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: we describe it. I don't remember what we talked about. 617 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: The books, Giltner's book, Hunting and Fishing in the New South, 618 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 1: that was what it was, but it kind of it it. 619 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: We talked about how, um, well the book. You turned 620 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: me onto it and I read it and it was 621 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,560 Speaker 1: a great book. And we actually interviewed Scott Guiltner, who 622 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: is most likely going to be on some of the 623 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 1: later episodes. Isaac reviewed him. Um, but yeah, that was 624 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:04,320 Speaker 1: a great podcast. We've got a lot of good feedback 625 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: from it. Isn't that we found out about Collier Well 626 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,080 Speaker 1: in the book, Yeah, yeah, Scott's book, that's right. In 627 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: Scott's book, he he had just like a little small 628 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: section about Holt Collier was in Scott's book, Yeah, for sure. 629 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 1: I also listened to that episode driving to interview Scott, 630 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: and I was like, I should do a little bit 631 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: of research, right because it was kind of a last 632 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: minute thing. You're like, hey, can you drive up and 633 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:29,839 Speaker 1: interview him tomorrow? Yeah. So I'm on the way there 634 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,960 Speaker 1: four and a half hour, so it's like google whatever, 635 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: Scott Giltner, interview whatever, and then it just comes up 636 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: with you two. And I was like, for serendipity number 637 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: one hit. I listen to that. It was awesome. M 638 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:50,080 Speaker 1: hm cool. Well, um, so we've if we thoroughly introduced 639 00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 1: Jonathan enough talked about his what he does. You're you're 640 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: also a writer and an ambassador for some brands and 641 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: the hunting Yeah yeah, you posess named you possess a 642 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 1: fan that I'm envious of. Yeah, I got the van. 643 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 1: I'm trying to spend as much time as possible in 644 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 1: that thing. Nice. I gotta stop making babies if I'm 645 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 1: gonna do that. Yeah yeah, yeah, married family man. I 646 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,240 Speaker 1: got two little girls and I got a boy coming 647 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of a duck season right on timing. 648 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's the way it goes circle. Well, great. Well, okay, 649 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: let's talk about let's talk about whole car er um this. 650 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: So this podcast has been the works for a long time. Yeah, 651 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,160 Speaker 1: I mean I talked to you about this a year 652 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 1: and a half ago, did not, didn't We talked sometime ago? Yeah, yeah, 653 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: And and it's just it's like it's been in the docket, 654 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,160 Speaker 1: and you know, kind of how this stuff rolls out 655 00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: is sometimes opportunistic, sometimes strategic. Um. And it just like 656 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: came up in the rolodex, the Bear Grease Rolodex, like 657 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: Holk Collier. It's time. And so I was. I contacted Jonathan, 658 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 1: I contacted minor Ferris Buchanan. I love his name, like 659 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 1: I wanted to say it over and over, Um, how 660 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: do you spell the minor? Am I in music? In 661 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,640 Speaker 1: my in r I've got questions about his name. But 662 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 1: Minor first Buchanan, I like him a lot. Uh and 663 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: then Hank Burdon, So Jonathan, Hank and Minor where the 664 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: where the guests? And uh? Yeah, So like what was 665 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: your what was your thoughts? Yeah? I I it was 666 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,320 Speaker 1: such a good podcast. We were I was actually driving 667 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: with our oldest daughter across across the US, across the 668 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: east coast trying to get her moved, and we were 669 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: listening to it and and I mean it was just 670 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: like every break, I was sad that there was a 671 00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,480 Speaker 1: break we kept. Yeah, it was. It was so intriguing. 672 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,319 Speaker 1: And I've heard a lot about it, just as you've. 673 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: But I think what I've heard mostly has been about 674 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,879 Speaker 1: what the next podcast will be, you know, the next two, 675 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: because you never talked about the things that we've Oh. Yeah, yeah, 676 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: this was just the first twenty years of his life. Yeah, 677 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,440 Speaker 1: this is yeah, so I but I thought it was 678 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,279 Speaker 1: so it was so interesting. Just his whole life was 679 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 1: just fascinating. What was what was most interesting? Well, I 680 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,480 Speaker 1: mean I just think it was fascinating just thinking about 681 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: the time that he lived, like the era that he 682 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: existed on this earth and how how you know, who 683 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 1: we became inside of that and uh, and I just 684 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,040 Speaker 1: I thought it was super interesting. Oddly, I thought it 685 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: was also super interesting how minor fairs became in the 686 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,360 Speaker 1: pathway to write in this book. That was super random 687 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,359 Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um, but that but it was just 688 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,319 Speaker 1: it was just really fascinating. The whole just his whole 689 00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:03,200 Speaker 1: life story was just so not you'd expect. Yeah, Dad, 690 00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,160 Speaker 1: what do you think? I thought it was very good. Uh, 691 00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: just a lot of a lot of thoughts. Um, let 692 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,280 Speaker 1: me ask this question. If he was white with basically 693 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 1: the same story tied in with the Hinz fourteen years 694 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 1: old went in the Civil War, I mean, would the 695 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,400 Speaker 1: story be any different? I mean it would be. You 696 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: don't know that you would have paid attention to it 697 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 1: had he been a white boy. Sure. So what's made 698 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,319 Speaker 1: this interesting to most people is that he was a 699 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: black guy. So why was he so special? And? Uh, 700 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: I think he revealed a lot of it. The depth 701 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: of it was just amazing. It was almost as good 702 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: as Jonathan's podcast. You know, it just reveals things where 703 00:40:56,280 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. Um M, it's it's just a subject 704 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: that I think educated a lot of people. You know that, 705 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:11,160 Speaker 1: um on this on this one, this podcast just tells you, 706 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,200 Speaker 1: uh that there's just great people everywhere, and this guy 707 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,840 Speaker 1: was one of them. And he was exceptional. I think 708 00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: because of his d n A in the environment he 709 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: was in just pulled everything together where he was a 710 00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,319 Speaker 1: powerful person and and he couldn't help it. I mean, 711 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: he was a magnet wherever he was. When he walked 712 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,120 Speaker 1: in the room, I mean, you go, like, here's this 713 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,400 Speaker 1: little scrimpy guy. But I mean he just captivated everybody, 714 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: and so racism almost was not even in the subject. 715 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: I mean in a way. I mean it was big racism, 716 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,840 Speaker 1: but it was like, Hey, we like this guy because 717 00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,600 Speaker 1: who he is. We don't care what color he is. 718 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,279 Speaker 1: We want him to ride into cavalry. We want him 719 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: to guide and bear hunt, we want you know, we 720 00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: want all this stuff because he's just thinking winner and 721 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,680 Speaker 1: I want to be a little bit of it. I mean, 722 00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,920 Speaker 1: that's what that's what you feel like you see because 723 00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 1: everywhere he goes, he's people are singling him out and 724 00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: just just he was and and and that. That's what 725 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,520 Speaker 1: I said inside of this is that, you know, I didn't. 726 00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: I didn't And I said this to Jonathan, I said 727 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,239 Speaker 1: it to everybody. I didn't want to turn this into 728 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 1: a podcast just about race. I wanted to celebrate this 729 00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 1: guy's life. But I think we owe it to Holt 730 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 1: to look at it because that was the back, that 731 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,400 Speaker 1: was the that was the hedge of mom, that was 732 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: the dominating thing of his life, was that he was 733 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 1: a black guy in the South doing stuff that at 734 00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:50,160 Speaker 1: the time, you know, just wasn't normal at all. And 735 00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,880 Speaker 1: and but he he made it it's like almost like 736 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,240 Speaker 1: he from the story, from the version of the stories 737 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: we have, like he made it kind of look easy. 738 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,799 Speaker 1: And that's what Jonathan did so well, was to say, yeah, 739 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:08,040 Speaker 1: this stories, you know, pretty easy to tell. But it 740 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,239 Speaker 1: was whole lived a very complicated life and it was 741 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: it was wild time. And you know, I thought Jonathan 742 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: did a good job of bringing in just like, hey, 743 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,160 Speaker 1: this story is not probably as simple as it sounds. 744 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:26,120 Speaker 1: You know, um, let me ask you this is I 745 00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: feel like you said in this podcast that he had 746 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,040 Speaker 1: killed three thousand bears by what age. Well, just in 747 00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,800 Speaker 1: his life and his life that is wild, right, I 748 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,319 Speaker 1: mean that's exceptional. I mean I know, it's like a 749 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:44,280 Speaker 1: whole different time period combined. Yeah, so that's exceptional. And yeah, 750 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: that's because I think I think you might have actually 751 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:51,239 Speaker 1: heard the whole call your story if even if he 752 00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,239 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been in the in the context that he 753 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: was in. But I especially thinking about what is about 754 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: to happen in the next I'm like, foreshead and you 755 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,560 Speaker 1: can tell we've already told everything that's gonna happen. What 756 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,160 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Roosevelt. Yeah, yeah, him hunting with 757 00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: with Teddy Roosevelt and then like a global icon and 758 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,680 Speaker 1: just having killed three thousand bears. I mean that's when 759 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,240 Speaker 1: you said that, I thought that can't be, that cannot 760 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,719 Speaker 1: be true. Yeah, but it is true. Yeah. I mean, so, 761 00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:24,200 Speaker 1: so what you'll learn, well maybe maybe we've already talked 762 00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: a lot about that, but he he basically had a 763 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 1: log where he had logged bears, and these market hunters 764 00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 1: kept records, not like we keep records today kind of 765 00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: as we hunt. They kept records like financial records. It's 766 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 1: like taxes, you know. And so he had a he 767 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 1: had a log I think when he was at some 768 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: latter part of his life but not finished bear hunting, 769 00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:50,200 Speaker 1: where he'd killed twenty one bears, and a house burned 770 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 1: down and destroyed that log. But basically, uh, they really 771 00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:00,120 Speaker 1: believe that he killed three thousand bears in his I 772 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 1: mean that wouldn't be It's not unheard of from the 773 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: market hunting the peak of the market hunting era, but 774 00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 1: at the at the at the peak, no, I I can't. 775 00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just saying it's not There's people that 776 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 1: have done that, but very few, and I mean Boone 777 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,399 Speaker 1: the thing. I think Johnah was the one who said 778 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:21,799 Speaker 1: it to me, maybe not on the air, but like 779 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:27,279 Speaker 1: Boone did some market bear hunting, But Boone didn't bear 780 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: hunt for thirty years market He market hunting for periods 781 00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: of his life. And there was a year when he 782 00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,000 Speaker 1: killed the hundred and fifty five bears on the on 783 00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:41,000 Speaker 1: the Little Sandy River in Kentucky and that was you know, 784 00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:42,680 Speaker 1: if he had done that for thirty years, he would 785 00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:44,759 Speaker 1: have had his you know, more than that. But like 786 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:49,680 Speaker 1: you know, he had a long Holt had a long 787 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: and illustrious career as a market bear hunter in a 788 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: good part of the world to be market bear hunting. Jonathan, 789 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:58,480 Speaker 1: what do you think overall podcast? How did how did 790 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 1: it come off? Yeah? Man, I thought I told you 791 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,400 Speaker 1: on the phone man, I thought I thought it was 792 00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,799 Speaker 1: well done. I was happy to be a part of it. Yeah, 793 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I do think that, you know, part of 794 00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:13,359 Speaker 1: what's so compelling about the guy is that it's I 795 00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: feel like his story is so extraordinarily multifaceted that putting, 796 00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:25,520 Speaker 1: you know, putting any sort of kind of parameters on him, 797 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: or trying to quantify our understanding of his motivations or 798 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: everything he was doing is we're never going to get 799 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: the full picture of it, right uh. And And like 800 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,000 Speaker 1: I said, we've talked about on on the phone, because 801 00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: we've talked about this a couple of times on the 802 00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,040 Speaker 1: phone the last few weeks, I think that we would 803 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,839 Speaker 1: know about I think that his story would be worth 804 00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,279 Speaker 1: telling if he wasn't black, because I think that he 805 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,359 Speaker 1: did so many extraordinary things, right Uh. I think I mean, 806 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,759 Speaker 1: like we talked about before, like every ten years of 807 00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,920 Speaker 1: this guy's life, there's some fantastic story, right Uh. And 808 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: I do think that the relationships he had with the 809 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: people around him are part of what's extraordinary about him. Uh. 810 00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna I'm gonna actually disagree a little bit 811 00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,959 Speaker 1: with you here, Gary and say that I don't think 812 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:20,719 Speaker 1: that I don't think that it was I don't think 813 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,400 Speaker 1: it could fully get that because of the time. I 814 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,440 Speaker 1: don't think that, you know, him being black could ever 815 00:47:27,520 --> 00:47:31,320 Speaker 1: be inconsequential to the way he interacted with people. Something 816 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,640 Speaker 1: I really thought about when I was listening back to 817 00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:38,160 Speaker 1: that podcast was if you think about you know, the 818 00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,759 Speaker 1: two guys are possibly three, but like the two guys 819 00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:45,400 Speaker 1: that we know he killed, I think that if I 820 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: think that if he had killed Southern men of standing, 821 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:55,120 Speaker 1: I don't think he would have been acquitted. I think 822 00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 1: that I think it's the people that he took out, right, 823 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,920 Speaker 1: I mean, like especially if you think about, uh, if 824 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 1: you think about the Freedman's Bureau guy, right, like, I 825 00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,680 Speaker 1: mean that was a that was the union guy. He 826 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,080 Speaker 1: was in the community would have liked. Yeah, I mean 827 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,799 Speaker 1: absolutely detested. I mean even to the point that if 828 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 1: you if you listen to that podcast, uh, Hankberg Dyne 829 00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:24,920 Speaker 1: used the word carpetbagger, right, which is a pejorative, right, 830 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 1: It's a pejoraty of were here here in the South 831 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,120 Speaker 1: still sometimes, but that's a holdover from you know, a 832 00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty years ago. Right. So I think that 833 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: undoubtedly he was an extraordinary and exceptional outline human being. 834 00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,239 Speaker 1: Uh and and we talked about it too. I think 835 00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: that he I'd be It'd be hard for me to 836 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 1: think that he didn't have close relationships with some of 837 00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 1: these people, uh, you know, some of these kind of 838 00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,400 Speaker 1: wartime relationships, like people in a foxhole type thing. But 839 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,960 Speaker 1: I also think that he was really adept And I 840 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: know you've got you've got schooled a little bit on mezzanine. 841 00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,920 Speaker 1: Just I'll just make I'll make the U. I'll make 842 00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,440 Speaker 1: the admission that I said adapt in that podcast when 843 00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 1: I should have said a depth. But I think he 844 00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,160 Speaker 1: was really talking a lot. You're gonna mess something up, absolutely, 845 00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:22,800 Speaker 1: But I think he was really adept at negotiating his life, 846 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, and in finding ways to be useful to 847 00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:30,960 Speaker 1: the people around him that endeared himself to them. Uh. 848 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:33,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think that if he had I think 849 00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: that if he had just got if he had gotten 850 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,359 Speaker 1: in a fight with Hines like old Hines and shot him, 851 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,600 Speaker 1: I think his story would have ended very soon after that, 852 00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: you know. But uh so I think so. I think 853 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,919 Speaker 1: that it's uh, like I said, man, it's so many 854 00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,120 Speaker 1: different layers to it that it's such a rich story. 855 00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,560 Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, that makes a story worth tell, right, 856 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,440 Speaker 1: is it's not just an adventure tale. I mean, this 857 00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,840 Speaker 1: is a this is a story that's like full of adventure, 858 00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:13,840 Speaker 1: full of heroism, incredibly long, like these interactions I'm almost 859 00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: like forced Gump, like running into all these different historical 860 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,120 Speaker 1: figures and stuff. Right, But then when we start to 861 00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:24,120 Speaker 1: really try and investigate the nuance of it, and you know, 862 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:28,720 Speaker 1: and and put the real human perspective into it. Uh, 863 00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:34,120 Speaker 1: it almost reaches like a point of being hard to believe. Yeah, 864 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: for sure, man. Yeah, it's uh well, Hank burd Eye 865 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,359 Speaker 1: said it in the beginning, he said, he said, it's 866 00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,880 Speaker 1: a story that you almost think couldn't have happened, but 867 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,200 Speaker 1: it did. And that's why it's such a great story, 868 00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:51,920 Speaker 1: is is he he had so many things that happened, 869 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,719 Speaker 1: but this the you know where he was and who 870 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,719 Speaker 1: he was in this underlying thing was just so intriguing. 871 00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,399 Speaker 1: It's kind of wild that we all don't know Holtz name. 872 00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,960 Speaker 1: Now they know his name down there in in uh, 873 00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:20,239 Speaker 1: Jefferson County, Mississippi, And we're gonna unveil not that it's 874 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,080 Speaker 1: a secret, it's not a secret at all. But there's 875 00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:26,799 Speaker 1: a federal wildlife refuge named after Holt Collier. Yeah, the 876 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,760 Speaker 1: only one in the country that's named after an African American. 877 00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: H Yeah. And so we're gonna talk about that at 878 00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:38,440 Speaker 1: a big festival. There's a festival uh in October, I 879 00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,799 Speaker 1: think that towards the end of October that they have 880 00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: every year down there. Yeah, and you know that's that's 881 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,799 Speaker 1: a uh that's probably something that happens with lots of people, 882 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,560 Speaker 1: right like the cloistered community around where some activity or 883 00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,799 Speaker 1: some person was, they know about it, but you know, 884 00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: the broader country or world doesn't find out about it. 885 00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,319 Speaker 1: But now we've got the the internets. So yeah, he was. 886 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,600 Speaker 1: He was heading shoulders above everybody almost. I mean, his 887 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,839 Speaker 1: d NA, his makeup, His little ten year old guy 888 00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,640 Speaker 1: gets the attention of the owner, you know, hines and 889 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: he goes, wait a minute, this guy, this little kid 890 00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:27,160 Speaker 1: something special. I mean he's he can't help it, man, 891 00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,239 Speaker 1: this guy's just thinking genius. I mean he might not 892 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: have the IQ of a genie, but he's he attracts people, 893 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: he can do stuff, He makes things happen, even as 894 00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,120 Speaker 1: a little kid. They're going, what look at this little guy? 895 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,920 Speaker 1: So he is he is one in a big number 896 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:45,760 Speaker 1: of people that can do what he did. And because 897 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 1: he was black, it makes the story really interesting to me. Uh, 898 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: I mean he is. I mean, you know I've been 899 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,680 Speaker 1: around people like that. You know, you walk in a 900 00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: room with a professional athlete and you just wonder. I mean, 901 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,920 Speaker 1: he must come from a different planet. I mean, he's 902 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,360 Speaker 1: a different species. You know that they're big, strong, powerful, 903 00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: most of them smart, and you're like, you know, just 904 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,440 Speaker 1: cow down. I can't wait for him to leave the room. Man, 905 00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: this guy's and that's that's kind of the way this 906 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,840 Speaker 1: guy was. I mean he he might have been a 907 00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,960 Speaker 1: little guy, might have had a quiet voice, but he 908 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:28,840 Speaker 1: was a powerful man, very powerful and um anyway, I 909 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:33,719 Speaker 1: love this guy. There was definitely something throughout his entire 910 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: life that was evocative for other people, right. Uh. I 911 00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:45,880 Speaker 1: would say though, too, that what I've been struck by 912 00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 1: is that if I think, if you really look at 913 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:50,480 Speaker 1: it and you go back to like when he was 914 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,880 Speaker 1: a little kid, and he's kind of starting his market hunting, right, 915 00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,080 Speaker 1: because that's really kind of like a form of market hunting, right, 916 00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,880 Speaker 1: he was hunting for the plantation. I think one of 917 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,680 Speaker 1: the things that allow out him to really explore the 918 00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:07,200 Speaker 1: extraordinary DNA as you're referring to it, uh, was that 919 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:11,280 Speaker 1: I think he was really I think he was really 920 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:15,319 Speaker 1: nuanced and really kind of hip to the fact that 921 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:19,840 Speaker 1: he made himself useful to the people around, right, and so, 922 00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: and that allowed him to avail himself two opportunities that 923 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: other people of his station would not have. So uh, 924 00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:34,799 Speaker 1: you know kind of to me. I guess if there's 925 00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,719 Speaker 1: a sad part about his life is that I don't 926 00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:42,480 Speaker 1: I don't know that he ever fully got to realize 927 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:49,040 Speaker 1: his potential for uh for just himself, right, Like he 928 00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:53,279 Speaker 1: had to be dexterous enough to always make it make 929 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,200 Speaker 1: the society around him like need him or want him. 930 00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 1: But I mean that's you know it like if you 931 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,799 Speaker 1: ever seen Game of Thrones or something, I mean that's like, uh, 932 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 1: that's that's I mean, that's like a political game. Like 933 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, this guy I think had the had the 934 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: dexterity of a politician coupled with the fact that he 935 00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 1: was his consummate outdoorsman. Right. They had to be incredibly tough, Uh, 936 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:20,399 Speaker 1: he had to be incredibly nuanced and all these things 937 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 1: he did and then still be able to to circumvent 938 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:30,040 Speaker 1: the the norms of the time to where I think 939 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of undoubtedly he had close relationships with people, uh 940 00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:37,799 Speaker 1: that you might not expect him to write. You know, 941 00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,000 Speaker 1: it was natural though. He didn't have to go in 942 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,720 Speaker 1: and go, look, I can see this game we're playing, 943 00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:48,680 Speaker 1: and if I get to be valuable, then I'm gonna 944 00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 1: win this game. I think it was not he wanted. 945 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,600 Speaker 1: I mean, he was just like that was part of 946 00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: this thing that made him great is that, you know, 947 00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: he he just that was not trull and it just 948 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,840 Speaker 1: you can portray it is having the political savvy to 949 00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:07,759 Speaker 1: do all this stuff. But I think I think the 950 00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,880 Speaker 1: guy was born with this stuff and that environment he 951 00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:15,319 Speaker 1: was in accelerated it and magnified it, where he was 952 00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:19,879 Speaker 1: just a powerful person by natural gift is the way 953 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,640 Speaker 1: I see it, more than a calculated thing. Now, he 954 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:26,759 Speaker 1: was smart enough to have calculated it and done a 955 00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,879 Speaker 1: lot of great stuff. But I'm not sure you can 956 00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:33,360 Speaker 1: a ten year old can be smart enough to go, 957 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,279 Speaker 1: man if I can kill them a bunch of bear, 958 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,240 Speaker 1: you know. I mean he wanted, he wanted to be helpful. 959 00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 1: He wanted and it just ended up being a great asset. 960 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:45,880 Speaker 1: That's probably the way. I mean a lot of us 961 00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 1: are and a lot of different scenarios too, you know, 962 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:54,359 Speaker 1: just like find find how to in the context you're 963 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,400 Speaker 1: in useful valuable. I think part of the endearing nature 964 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,279 Speaker 1: of the story is the loyalty aspect of it. That 965 00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: his loyalty to the different people inside of his life, 966 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,040 Speaker 1: even like going he heard that doesn't even remember the 967 00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,399 Speaker 1: guy's name, the the union officer, what was his name, Well, 968 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,200 Speaker 1: the guy the guy killed allegedly allegedly he went after 969 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 1: Captain Well allegedly went after Captain King. I'm not glad 970 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,280 Speaker 1: I think he did it. Is that sugarcane for me? 971 00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 1: Just like that anyway, So I think, like, you've got 972 00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,560 Speaker 1: these stories, but then you also have a lot of 973 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 1: different people being loyal back to him the Texas night, 974 00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:43,080 Speaker 1: sitting out there waiting on him for during the court trial, 975 00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,440 Speaker 1: and you see those stories, and so I think that 976 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,080 Speaker 1: the when I was listening to it, the thing that 977 00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:52,920 Speaker 1: that struck me was just this theme of of loyalty, irrational, 978 00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:58,160 Speaker 1: not common for that time, type of of loyalty coming 979 00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,360 Speaker 1: in all different everybody gave back to him, like every 980 00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,959 Speaker 1: relationship you see that loyalty coming back to him, which 981 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:10,760 Speaker 1: is unusual. Undoubtedly, Yeah, I think there's an element of 982 00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,480 Speaker 1: what you guys are talking about. I don't think that 983 00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:16,280 Speaker 1: there mutually exclusive this idea that like he was born 984 00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: with an uncanny gift. But also like when I think 985 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,000 Speaker 1: of a young kid, like uh, like an abuse survivor 986 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,840 Speaker 1: or whatever, do you see how that molds their behavior 987 00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 1: as soon as like, oh, I've connected that X and 988 00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,520 Speaker 1: Y equals Z, so if I do this, I can whatever. 989 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that everyone thrives in that scenario, So 990 00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,960 Speaker 1: I think that there is a natural gift there, but 991 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:46,240 Speaker 1: I think that there is probably some also learned and 992 00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:52,240 Speaker 1: calculated responses. I think what's really interesting about that is, um, 993 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:56,240 Speaker 1: going back to an earlier podcast, luck or providence or whatever, 994 00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:01,240 Speaker 1: he has some really huge strokes of luck. Right. I'm 995 00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:05,360 Speaker 1: not here to paint Hines as a as a empirically 996 00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,360 Speaker 1: good man or a bad man or whatever. He was 997 00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,400 Speaker 1: a slave owner, but he got pretty lucky to get 998 00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:14,480 Speaker 1: a guy who could Um, it wasn't altruism that he 999 00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:19,200 Speaker 1: uh directed towards Holt, but to have an owner that 1000 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:24,240 Speaker 1: might be open minded enough to say, like I, it's 1001 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,040 Speaker 1: I I struggle for the semantics here, because there's certainly 1002 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 1: could have been other alternatives for an owner to the 1003 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,880 Speaker 1: way they treated their people. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I'm not 1004 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,480 Speaker 1: trying to say like that he was doing something empirically 1005 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,160 Speaker 1: good by being less bad to hold than another owner. 1006 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:42,360 Speaker 1: That's the language struggle that I'm having there. But like 1007 00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,800 Speaker 1: he was fortunate to have that, he was fortunate to 1008 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: when he ran away to join him, like to have 1009 00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,960 Speaker 1: found his master, Like the story of him getting off, 1010 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,280 Speaker 1: like stowing away on a boat and then getting off. 1011 00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,680 Speaker 1: Where were they in Memphis? Is that where they were mustering? Uh? 1012 00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,640 Speaker 1: I just remember the story of him like and then 1013 01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,560 Speaker 1: he showed up, And it's like if I showed up 1014 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,160 Speaker 1: in a big city, like the odds of finding one 1015 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,880 Speaker 1: person in that huge city. Maybe there was more to 1016 01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:09,880 Speaker 1: that story that I missed, but there were like these 1017 01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 1: moments of serendipity that followed him around. I think it 1018 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,720 Speaker 1: gets back at the idea of this like you can't 1019 01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: remove any one leg of this table, Like he's an 1020 01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:26,400 Speaker 1: uncommonly gifted guy, He's has uncommon experiences. He you know, 1021 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,880 Speaker 1: the fact that he's black, and that changes that paradigm. Like, 1022 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,640 Speaker 1: I don't know it you're making, man, You're making some 1023 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,120 Speaker 1: really astute points, and I think I think, I think 1024 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:38,080 Speaker 1: what you said was well said, man, is that none 1025 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,160 Speaker 1: of this stuff is mutually exclusive. Like I guess I 1026 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:46,920 Speaker 1: feel a certain responsibility to push back against uh kind 1027 01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:51,240 Speaker 1: of a disneyfication of his life. But I think everything 1028 01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:56,280 Speaker 1: that folks are are picking up about this guy's is there, 1029 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 1: which is why he's so fascinating because he's extraordinary. You're right, 1030 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:07,080 Speaker 1: he lived through extraordinary times. Extraordinary Uh you know, what 1031 01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,680 Speaker 1: do you call luck or providence or whatever? Uh. I 1032 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:15,200 Speaker 1: think he's super savvy. I think that you know, he 1033 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,840 Speaker 1: made the most of kind of extraordinary situations he found 1034 01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 1: himself in. Uh. Yeah, it's it really is. The more 1035 01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:26,920 Speaker 1: I think about it, the more I look into it, 1036 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,080 Speaker 1: the more I work, you know, on research about this guy, 1037 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:34,480 Speaker 1: it's and I don't think this is an overstatement. I 1038 01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:39,440 Speaker 1: really feel like it's one of the greatest American stories 1039 01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,080 Speaker 1: I've ever heard. He is an absolute Shannon example of 1040 01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:47,280 Speaker 1: perseverance if there ever was one, and taking it I 1041 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 1: don't even know if taking it you could accuse him 1042 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:53,760 Speaker 1: of taking advantage of anything because of where he lived 1043 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:58,120 Speaker 1: and when he lived, but what he built out of 1044 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:01,840 Speaker 1: that we're talking about him today. How long has that been? 1045 01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:05,120 Speaker 1: A hundred sixty years ago? How many people were in 1046 01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,440 Speaker 1: the Civil War, It was like up to ten thousand. 1047 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,320 Speaker 1: I think that black people, African Americans have served on 1048 01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 1: the Confederate side, and we're talking about this one guy. 1049 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,480 Speaker 1: And this guy did a lot of good stuff. You know, 1050 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: it was in some really unique places. Perseverance is what 1051 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,800 Speaker 1: I took from it. I can't wait for the next 1052 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,360 Speaker 1: What was your favorite part? What was your favorite halt 1053 01:02:28,440 --> 01:02:32,800 Speaker 1: story in this one? Yeah, we can't go around favorite 1054 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,919 Speaker 1: halt story. You don't have to retell it necessarily, But 1055 01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:40,360 Speaker 1: was there one that stood out to you? Yeah, shooting 1056 01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,640 Speaker 1: that cat if, the alleged shooting of the of Captain King. 1057 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,600 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, that's being in law enforcement and 1058 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:57,680 Speaker 1: having somebody wait a minute, you're here. Here's the thing. 1059 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:02,800 Speaker 1: As long as it's not a turkey break, having having 1060 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:05,160 Speaker 1: your fellas with you and you get in a tight 1061 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,280 Speaker 1: spot and somebody's got your back. There's a lot to 1062 01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,560 Speaker 1: be said for that, you know. I mean you multiply 1063 01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:15,760 Speaker 1: that by time's ten the situation he was in. Yeah, 1064 01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:20,240 Speaker 1: but well, and I haven't I just told the third 1065 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:24,280 Speaker 1: time that he like on the next on podcast too, 1066 01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:27,080 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about the other guy he's straight up killed. 1067 01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,640 Speaker 1: I told about the guy he shot and wounded, and 1068 01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,520 Speaker 1: told about Captain King, and we just like ran out 1069 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,680 Speaker 1: of time. So the beginning of podcast three is the 1070 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:41,720 Speaker 1: dude that he's straight up killed, and you'll see that 1071 01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:44,560 Speaker 1: maybe it was his fault, maybe it wasn't. I'm gonna 1072 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:50,200 Speaker 1: leave it there so self. So you liked the idea 1073 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:54,120 Speaker 1: that Holt was kind of I mean, we presume he 1074 01:03:54,240 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 1: there was some some something of loyalty regardless where it's 1075 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,440 Speaker 1: favorite story, Jonathan in this podcast. You gotta keep it 1076 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,280 Speaker 1: to this one. I love the idea of him being 1077 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:11,000 Speaker 1: this little kid, you know, and just the thick palmetto 1078 01:04:11,080 --> 01:04:12,920 Speaker 1: swamps and he goes out there with some gun you 1079 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,840 Speaker 1: know that I imagine is as tall as he is, 1080 01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:19,880 Speaker 1: and coming back with a bear yeah, the long gun. 1081 01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:22,400 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean I'm sure they didn't. I'm sure 1082 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,640 Speaker 1: they didn't give him, you know, the best gun of 1083 01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:28,000 Speaker 1: the time. Right, So he's got some rough weapon and 1084 01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:31,040 Speaker 1: he just goes out there and he makes it happen. 1085 01:04:31,080 --> 01:04:35,360 Speaker 1: I just and also that's kind of that's like kind 1086 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 1: of the beginning of the spark of this extraordinary life, 1087 01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:43,080 Speaker 1: right Yeah, I agree. You can see that those formative experiences. 1088 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,800 Speaker 1: Um gosh, I like so many of them. Uh. I 1089 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:49,240 Speaker 1: like that he wore his hat the same way his 1090 01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,160 Speaker 1: whole life. I really I don't know why, but that 1091 01:04:52,240 --> 01:05:03,200 Speaker 1: was like the ninth ninth Texas Calvery No film Cavilry 1092 01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:12,040 Speaker 1: for for mispronouncing words recently real Hard. The Whole Life 1093 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,000 Speaker 1: reminds me of back to the last podcast, Leon Boyd 1094 01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: wearing the letterman jacket his whole life. Yeah, I love 1095 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:21,040 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, the whole the whole war, a 1096 01:05:21,160 --> 01:05:24,919 Speaker 1: Confederate hat with a bill flipped up, and that there's 1097 01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:27,560 Speaker 1: all those pictures of him as an old man with that. Yeah, 1098 01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just really like that I did. 1099 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,840 Speaker 1: When I heard it. I was like that, I love it, 1100 01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,400 Speaker 1: not just that he had this thing from his his 1101 01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,080 Speaker 1: youth that it was like, this is this is where 1102 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: I fit from that. It seems like the keV. I 1103 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:45,760 Speaker 1: can't even say it on you did a great job, 1104 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:51,040 Speaker 1: Favorite Favorite party. They were gone a little bit out 1105 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,800 Speaker 1: of left field. But I'm gonna try to explain it, 1106 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:56,080 Speaker 1: the story of him like the kids wanting to hear 1107 01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,000 Speaker 1: stories from him and being like it, go get me 1108 01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: an orange and the high and a plug of tobacco. 1109 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,640 Speaker 1: First of all, I don't partake in either of those, 1110 01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:06,240 Speaker 1: but I want to start now those on the same 1111 01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:11,800 Speaker 1: moral plane with you. I just don't hot take. I 1112 01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,960 Speaker 1: think that soda might be worse for you than tobacco. 1113 01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:19,320 Speaker 1: I'm saying it I'm saying it, Surgeon General, come fight me, um, 1114 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:22,560 Speaker 1: but check this out. I love it because I think 1115 01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:28,479 Speaker 1: this gets back to something that is maybe a little 1116 01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,800 Speaker 1: bit of what you're talking about. But uh, and I'm 1117 01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:34,760 Speaker 1: pointing at Gary Um this idea of his in dwelling 1118 01:06:35,240 --> 01:06:40,000 Speaker 1: like innate understanding of his value, like identity is one 1119 01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,240 Speaker 1: of the biggest struggles for people, and if you know 1120 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,200 Speaker 1: your identity and your value, it is going to determine 1121 01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:48,360 Speaker 1: a lot of how your life goes. And for him 1122 01:06:48,400 --> 01:06:50,840 Speaker 1: to be like an old man and be like, I 1123 01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:54,040 Speaker 1: got something you want, You got something I want. Go 1124 01:06:54,120 --> 01:06:57,320 Speaker 1: get your pennies together, get me an Ortsota and a 1125 01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,760 Speaker 1: plug of tobacco, and I will give you everything you want. 1126 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:03,560 Speaker 1: And I don't know, I just love that it's not um, 1127 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,919 Speaker 1: it is not what we would necessarily expect or whatever. Yeah, 1128 01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,920 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just like such an endearing like 1129 01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:15,320 Speaker 1: yeah that squeers in that story. Of all the stories 1130 01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:18,840 Speaker 1: that Minor Ferris Buchanan told, it felt like he was 1131 01:07:18,920 --> 01:07:21,920 Speaker 1: most proud of that one because that wasn't written in 1132 01:07:21,960 --> 01:07:26,120 Speaker 1: an article, that wasn't written down somewhere in some place 1133 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,120 Speaker 1: on the internet, like he he searched that one out 1134 01:07:29,160 --> 01:07:32,440 Speaker 1: when he met this guy from that had moved to 1135 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:36,720 Speaker 1: Los Angeles, which was interesting of itself too. This guy 1136 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,800 Speaker 1: had moved to Los Angeles, lived his whole life, was 1137 01:07:38,840 --> 01:07:42,240 Speaker 1: an old man out there and was coming back to Greenville, 1138 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:46,439 Speaker 1: and that's where Minor met the guy. And it's it's 1139 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:51,400 Speaker 1: kind of whole seems so far back there, like when 1140 01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:56,200 Speaker 1: you think of someone when the Civil War, and to 1141 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,280 Speaker 1: think that Minor Ferris Buchanan, this guy, I don't know, 1142 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,720 Speaker 1: miners probably in his sixties, talk to a guy that 1143 01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:07,040 Speaker 1: new Holt Collier that's set on his porch in Greenville 1144 01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:12,240 Speaker 1: in the nineteen thirties, and the Holt was cracking knee 1145 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,880 Speaker 1: high SODA's. I mean, I guess that glass bottles back 1146 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,400 Speaker 1: then wouldn't have been an a limited bottle, right, um 1147 01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:22,000 Speaker 1: it you know, it just it just it's just like, wow, 1148 01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:24,559 Speaker 1: this really wasn't that long ago. And then when you 1149 01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,679 Speaker 1: realize that, you can say, wow, it wasn't that long 1150 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:31,080 Speaker 1: ago that you know, heck, all this wild stuff was 1151 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:34,400 Speaker 1: happening in this country. But that's a great story. That 1152 01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,880 Speaker 1: was a favorite story of mine too. Do we go 1153 01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:41,559 Speaker 1: further in depth to the Teddy Roosevelt Teddy Bear Story 1154 01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,920 Speaker 1: in future episodes. You're the assistant producer of this podcast, 1155 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:50,000 Speaker 1: shouldn't you know that? Of course we do. Okay, I'll 1156 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:53,559 Speaker 1: hold my next question. Now we go into a lot 1157 01:08:53,640 --> 01:08:56,479 Speaker 1: of detail in okay, I didn't want to like if 1158 01:08:56,520 --> 01:08:59,600 Speaker 1: if storytelling, we're up to me and just like everyone, Like, 1159 01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,120 Speaker 1: if y'all are all in my living room and I 1160 01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,120 Speaker 1: was telling the whole Collar story, I wouldn't have. I 1161 01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't have told the punchline at the very beginning. But 1162 01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:10,479 Speaker 1: the bad thing about podcasts and people listening that don't 1163 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,200 Speaker 1: have to listen to you, that's the reason I like 1164 01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:14,960 Speaker 1: Missing so much, is she has to listen to me 1165 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:19,000 Speaker 1: because you talk over the top. She's listening to you, like, 1166 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, Missy, look at me, and yeah, let me 1167 01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,320 Speaker 1: tell your story. And I would drop the punch line 1168 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,320 Speaker 1: at the very end. I would tell all this stuff 1169 01:09:25,320 --> 01:09:28,400 Speaker 1: about whole caller and then I'd go and then he 1170 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:32,280 Speaker 1: got it, Teddy Roosevelt. But the way you have to 1171 01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:35,080 Speaker 1: do it this because Steve Ronnella gave me some great 1172 01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,920 Speaker 1: advice early in Bear Grease, as he said, don't bury 1173 01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,880 Speaker 1: the hook too deep. He really did. Don't bury the 1174 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:45,240 Speaker 1: hook too deep. So you kind of have to tell 1175 01:09:45,280 --> 01:09:49,120 Speaker 1: people what you're gonna tell them early. So later we 1176 01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: will talk more about the Teddy Bear dad favorite favorite, 1177 01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:55,559 Speaker 1: whole Car story, favorite story. You know, I did not 1178 01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,160 Speaker 1: like the knee high chewing the back of story, But 1179 01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:02,880 Speaker 1: because I have so much respect for this guy, I'm 1180 01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,160 Speaker 1: thinking he was trying to teach these kids a lesson, 1181 01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,040 Speaker 1: or he just wanted he had plenty of money. Why 1182 01:10:08,160 --> 01:10:09,800 Speaker 1: what what didn't he f you in the back up? Well, 1183 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,360 Speaker 1: you're gonna learn a lot about Whole Caller in the 1184 01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:17,799 Speaker 1: next couple of episodes. I was disappointed in that. Okay, 1185 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:22,800 Speaker 1: all right, Well, you know you can tell from what 1186 01:10:22,840 --> 01:10:27,040 Speaker 1: I said. You know, my appreciation has a lot of 1187 01:10:27,160 --> 01:10:31,400 Speaker 1: depth to it. And the depth is he pulled all 1188 01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:34,719 Speaker 1: that and it might be contrary to what Jonathan thinks, 1189 01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:40,360 Speaker 1: which I respect his view more than mine. But those 1190 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,439 Speaker 1: people loved him. I mean, I'm telling you, the Hynds 1191 01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:46,240 Speaker 1: loved this kid. I mean they went to they went 1192 01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:48,880 Speaker 1: to shootout with him. I mean they got out and said, hey, 1193 01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:51,840 Speaker 1: you won't let the kid ride with this buggy, let's 1194 01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:55,439 Speaker 1: duke it out. And that truth. I mean, he said, 1195 01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:58,719 Speaker 1: I think so much of this kid. Come on, he's riding, 1196 01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna whoop you, Fanny. Then when he shoots that guy, 1197 01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I mean he was protecting Hines, wasn't he. So? I 1198 01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:14,240 Speaker 1: mean this love was like father son almost. I mean, 1199 01:11:14,280 --> 01:11:18,439 Speaker 1: he loved this kid, and this kid loved everybody. He 1200 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:23,960 Speaker 1: loved his Cavalry people, the Calvary people loved him. I mean, 1201 01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm telling you this guy was so deep and complicated 1202 01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:34,000 Speaker 1: in it all came natural. I mean, this guy, once 1203 01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:36,120 Speaker 1: you say he's a criminal, it's kind of shooting a 1204 01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 1: hole in my stuff. But I think you know, he 1205 01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,240 Speaker 1: was smart enough to plot some of this stuff out. 1206 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:47,240 Speaker 1: But his six buddies didn't come up there. Oh yeah, 1207 01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,559 Speaker 1: you know they come up there for any other reason. 1208 01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,519 Speaker 1: They loved this guy. And see and and I'll speak 1209 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:58,720 Speaker 1: for Jonathan and I have talked a lot. I that's 1210 01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,320 Speaker 1: why this story is so complex and interesting because basically, 1211 01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:04,639 Speaker 1: and we don't even have to get into this, but 1212 01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,639 Speaker 1: I hear what you're saying. But what Jonathan, I think 1213 01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:12,840 Speaker 1: so skillfully did and there's no solution. It's not like 1214 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:17,680 Speaker 1: he's right, you're wrong. Jonathan introduced the word to me. Binary. 1215 01:12:17,800 --> 01:12:20,880 Speaker 1: There's not it's not black or white, but like, how 1216 01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:24,120 Speaker 1: can how you know it's really I don't even necessarily 1217 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:25,920 Speaker 1: we we kind of got to close it down to 1218 01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:30,400 Speaker 1: some degree. But you can say he loved him, but 1219 01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:38,080 Speaker 1: he also enslaved the guy. You know, Jonathan, this this 1220 01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:40,519 Speaker 1: this deal is black and white. To me. You gotta 1221 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:46,519 Speaker 1: stringly gifted kid that loves people and wants to help people, 1222 01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:49,720 Speaker 1: and people go, look at this kid, man, I love 1223 01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:51,920 Speaker 1: him and I want to help him. And and so, 1224 01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean wherever he went, people were on his side. 1225 01:12:56,400 --> 01:13:00,120 Speaker 1: He was on their side. And I mean he is 1226 01:13:00,160 --> 01:13:04,240 Speaker 1: on the wrong side of the war. And you know why, 1227 01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:07,400 Speaker 1: because he loved those people around him. He didn't he 1228 01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:09,639 Speaker 1: didn't go, well, I'm gonna I'm gonna evaluate this now. 1229 01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I need to be on the Union side. 1230 01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:15,599 Speaker 1: He didn't do that. He goes, Man, people, I love you. 1231 01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,360 Speaker 1: You've taken care of me. I'm gonna take care of you. 1232 01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:20,719 Speaker 1: Let's go to battle. Give me my m sixteen. We're going. Yeah. 1233 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:26,760 Speaker 1: You know to me, it's that simple. Yeah, gifted, loving guy. 1234 01:13:28,479 --> 01:13:33,519 Speaker 1: I love the guy. I hear you. Stop it, stop it, 1235 01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:38,720 Speaker 1: don't give Junth and Chiffs go back. Uh, Clay, what 1236 01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:43,160 Speaker 1: was your favorite story his favorite story. I can't have 1237 01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:47,080 Speaker 1: a favorite story. What this is a ridiculous question. A 1238 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:51,200 Speaker 1: great stories? Now, I I like the Knee High Orange. 1239 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,760 Speaker 1: I like, Uh, it's really hard for me because I 1240 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:56,800 Speaker 1: know his whole life, but inside of this, inside of 1241 01:13:56,840 --> 01:14:03,280 Speaker 1: this one um him him getting in these gunfights was wild. 1242 01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,880 Speaker 1: The ninth Texas Calary. If y'all would have done what 1243 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing, I would have been like, Nope, just pick one. 1244 01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 1: I guess it was the ninth Texas Cavalry. There is 1245 01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:16,920 Speaker 1: hard to say you're doing great them being at the 1246 01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:22,519 Speaker 1: court House in Vicksburg. Man, that story, it feels like 1247 01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:26,000 Speaker 1: it has to be apocryphal, but it's so powerful, Like 1248 01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,200 Speaker 1: guys like that, that's the end of a movie, man, 1249 01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:35,880 Speaker 1: And that's just the beginning of this movie. Yeah, yeah, 1250 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I think it was to me that this story. What's 1251 01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:42,799 Speaker 1: intriguing about it? And why you just couldn't You couldn't 1252 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:47,000 Speaker 1: you don't want to miss anything? Is it is complex? 1253 01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:52,160 Speaker 1: There's no it's he is loyal. People are loyal to him. 1254 01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:55,640 Speaker 1: There's all sorts of subtexts around that, and why are 1255 01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:58,559 Speaker 1: they loyal and what's driving that? And is he is 1256 01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:00,559 Speaker 1: he actually free to be disloyal? I mean there's all 1257 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:02,920 Speaker 1: sorts of questions around it, but at the end of 1258 01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,880 Speaker 1: the day, you've got the Texas ninth Cavalry showing up 1259 01:15:06,400 --> 01:15:10,479 Speaker 1: and a slave master, you know, as and all those things. 1260 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,360 Speaker 1: We have appropriately negative thoughts of of these that these 1261 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,080 Speaker 1: things are still happening to this man. And it does 1262 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:20,120 Speaker 1: sound like it's a made for movie still. I mean 1263 01:15:20,120 --> 01:15:22,920 Speaker 1: it just sounds it's almost like everything was so complex 1264 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,200 Speaker 1: and you can't understand it. I mean, this was an 1265 01:15:25,200 --> 01:15:27,800 Speaker 1: hour long podcast, and I mean most people that's all 1266 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:29,800 Speaker 1: they would know about the story. It was an hour 1267 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,640 Speaker 1: in our commentary on it. But like there was just 1268 01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:36,479 Speaker 1: there was so many complexities even when you yeah, so 1269 01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:41,760 Speaker 1: many complexities, but no, I think I think, uh, what 1270 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan did good and what he said here today, and 1271 01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:49,759 Speaker 1: what I wanted to do is not to like basically 1272 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,960 Speaker 1: this idea that this wasn't a Disney story and this 1273 01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:55,080 Speaker 1: guy was living in the midst of it. There was 1274 01:15:55,680 --> 01:16:00,280 Speaker 1: time and uh, and so it's easy sometimes to hear 1275 01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:02,080 Speaker 1: the story and just be like, oh, this guy had 1276 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,200 Speaker 1: a great life and you know, and when you see 1277 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:09,479 Speaker 1: some of the other aspects of holtz life, um, and 1278 01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:14,599 Speaker 1: I mean, we're gonna tell them they're in the book there. Yeah. Yeah, 1279 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:18,400 Speaker 1: he wasn't a criminal, but I mean he just I'll 1280 01:16:18,439 --> 01:16:26,800 Speaker 1: never believe anything other than what I've said here today. Uh, 1281 01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,240 Speaker 1: Brent closing thoughts and then we gotta give Jonathan the 1282 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:34,840 Speaker 1: closing talk is Lowell to Gary. Oh, I'm ready for them. 1283 01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm ready to get into the hunting's part. Yeah. I 1284 01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,240 Speaker 1: think it's gonna be really intriguing because I mean he's 1285 01:16:41,320 --> 01:16:43,680 Speaker 1: he started when he was ten, he's twenty at the 1286 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:47,880 Speaker 1: end of this podcast. He ought to be ripping and 1287 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:52,679 Speaker 1: rolling in the next one. I'm looking. Yeah, it's cool. Jonathan, 1288 01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:55,439 Speaker 1: thanks for coming up. Man. Yeah, absolutely, Man, thanks, I 1289 01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,479 Speaker 1: really appreciate it, really appreciate it. Uh, given the social 1290 01:16:59,479 --> 01:17:02,120 Speaker 1: details real quick, how do they find you? Oh, just 1291 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,120 Speaker 1: black Duck Revival. You can google it, you can instagram it, 1292 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:12,400 Speaker 1: Black du revival dot com. Yeah, that's the duck hunts. 1293 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:14,680 Speaker 1: Goose hunts this winter are you're trying to get rid of? Yeah? 1294 01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:17,000 Speaker 1: I think. I mean I've got like three or four 1295 01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:19,760 Speaker 1: spots on a hunt. Uh at the end of the 1296 01:17:19,840 --> 01:17:22,599 Speaker 1: year for speckle belly December. Yeah, so it's I think 1297 01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:26,800 Speaker 1: it's like December thirtieth to January one. Uh yeah, that's 1298 01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:30,720 Speaker 1: what's left. That's the prettiest one. I think those those 1299 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,280 Speaker 1: speckle belly geese. Yeah, they're gorgeous. They taste the best. 1300 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so pretty to watch. Yeah, they're 1301 01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:41,800 Speaker 1: super uh they're super communicative to right, So like for 1302 01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:47,880 Speaker 1: anybody who's in the bird hunting, that sounds more like 1303 01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:51,080 Speaker 1: a turkey but you know, I mean like if you're 1304 01:17:51,240 --> 01:17:53,800 Speaker 1: if what you like about turkey hunting is that that 1305 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,240 Speaker 1: talking to a bird, communicating with the bird. Speckle belly 1306 01:17:57,240 --> 01:17:59,000 Speaker 1: geese are great for that because they talk back and 1307 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:03,960 Speaker 1: forth to you all the way in uh yep uh, 1308 01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:07,839 Speaker 1: i'd say like if you know, closing thought, uh one, Gary, 1309 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:14,080 Speaker 1: I still love you, but and you know, and I 1310 01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:16,599 Speaker 1: guess you know, part of me is worried that I'll 1311 01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,559 Speaker 1: be labeled a contrarian of some sort, but at this 1312 01:18:19,560 --> 01:18:22,000 Speaker 1: point in my life I might have already. I think 1313 01:18:22,040 --> 01:18:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm probably wearing that that fairly proudly. But h yeah, 1314 01:18:28,439 --> 01:18:32,000 Speaker 1: I would just I would just reassert my thought that 1315 01:18:32,920 --> 01:18:35,479 Speaker 1: what makes the story so fascinating to me is that 1316 01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,479 Speaker 1: I think that there are aspects of what everybody in 1317 01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:44,800 Speaker 1: here is relating that are true, right, and that we 1318 01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:52,840 Speaker 1: got a squirrel tree down here there, dash hush, right, 1319 01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:06,080 Speaker 1: and I heard that dog. But there's no way start over, Jonathan. 1320 01:19:07,080 --> 01:19:10,760 Speaker 1: Uh So sorry, there are elements to what everybody's saying, 1321 01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:14,840 Speaker 1: but there's there's truth in all of this stuff, right. Uh. 1322 01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,880 Speaker 1: I think, Well, I think what we owe to the 1323 01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:22,400 Speaker 1: legacy of Whold Collier is to allow him to be 1324 01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,840 Speaker 1: as multifaceted and nuanced as I think he was, allow 1325 01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:30,320 Speaker 1: his life and his story to exhibit those characteristics. Uh, 1326 01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:33,680 Speaker 1: and to continue to talk about him, you know, and 1327 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,120 Speaker 1: and to talk about him and discuss him and think 1328 01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:40,880 Speaker 1: about him and look to his example. Uh, with the 1329 01:19:41,000 --> 01:19:43,519 Speaker 1: nuance that I think he lived his life with. And 1330 01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:46,599 Speaker 1: I mean there's stuff for everybody to take something out 1331 01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:50,559 Speaker 1: of this man's story, right. Uh. And so that would 1332 01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:52,800 Speaker 1: that would be my closing thought. It's this is not 1333 01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,120 Speaker 1: a again, this is not a binary story, right, This 1334 01:19:57,160 --> 01:20:00,880 Speaker 1: is not a binary discussion. This is a a super 1335 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:06,880 Speaker 1: complicated thing. And and for me personally, that's those are 1336 01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,920 Speaker 1: the kind of people and those are the kind of 1337 01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:16,080 Speaker 1: stories that I feel drawn to. Mm hmm, perfect, perfect, 1338 01:20:16,600 --> 01:20:22,280 Speaker 1: great conversation. Guys, Send your anything you are looking to 1339 01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:26,000 Speaker 1: sell that has to do with outdoor world. Two bear 1340 01:20:26,120 --> 01:20:29,160 Speaker 1: grease at the meteor dot Com. Include your social tag, 1341 01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:36,080 Speaker 1: include your yeah, your social handle bargain Bonanza, bargain Barn Yeah, 1342 01:20:36,160 --> 01:20:41,600 Speaker 1: bargain Barn Bonanza excellent. Thanks guys, Thanks for everybody that 1343 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:57,439 Speaker 1: drove drove up here, and everybody everybody Yeah,