WEBVTT - Short Stuff: The Dakota

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the short Stuff. I'm Josh and

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<v Speaker 1>there's Chuck and we're going short stuff. Architectural style, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>architectural style from the mid to late nineteenth century, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>in Manhattan on the Upper West Side, specifically about the Dakota.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, Can I say something very quickly since this

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<v Speaker 2>is short stuff? Sure, right before we recorded, you said

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<v Speaker 2>Dakota Fanning, and that reminded me. I just got back

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<v Speaker 2>from New York and I had six celebrity sidings, one

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<v Speaker 2>of which was El Fanning.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, Yeah, she's.

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<v Speaker 2>In the lobby of a hotel. I go on that

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<v Speaker 2>hotel to pee. I'm always got my head on a

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<v Speaker 2>swivel in that town, especially in fancy hotel lobbies. Sure,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, hey, this's the code of Fanning.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, she was sitting with people. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, there's got to be somebody else famous, went

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<v Speaker 2>to the bathroom, came out sitting next to Jessica Chastain.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, pretty major siding.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Then at one of my pavement shows, I saw uh

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<v Speaker 2>uh Noah Bombbach and Greta Gerwig.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah they're married.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, wow, say so couple?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean he co wrote Barbie with her and

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<v Speaker 2>uh Dean Wareham of Luna. They're all good friends and

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<v Speaker 2>they were all together, so that was a three banger

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<v Speaker 2>in one.

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<v Speaker 3>And this uh.

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<v Speaker 2>This lady near me was jumping up and down like

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<v Speaker 2>screaming it uh at Greta Gerwig and she was very

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<v Speaker 2>sweet from up above in the balcony and like made

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<v Speaker 2>the little heart symbol and like said she loved her.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very sweete uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And then sat next to Tiffany Hattish on the on

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<v Speaker 2>the flight home. Wow, but she was a girl across

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<v Speaker 2>the asl from me.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you did you bugger the whole time? No?

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't say anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you like, hey, Tiffany, you remember this one joke

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<v Speaker 1>you told that was hilarious.

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<v Speaker 3>She's great though. She's very pretty too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, she is wonderful.

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<v Speaker 3>I like that voice.

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<v Speaker 2>So she got that sort of a low voice, kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like this, I am Tiffany Hattish.

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<v Speaker 1>That's okay, all right, we gotta go because we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>the Dakota here, not Dakota Fanning or l Fanning.

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<v Speaker 2>No, the apartment building in New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, the one where John Lennon was shot in

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<v Speaker 1>front of Yeah, he's lived there at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, he lived there, and he was shot on

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<v Speaker 2>the sidewalk outside the Dakota.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's not the only reason that Dakota is famous,

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<v Speaker 1>although it's probably the biggest reason that Dakota is famous.

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<v Speaker 1>One of the reasons that Dakota is famous is because

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<v Speaker 1>it was one of the first apartment buildings in New

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<v Speaker 1>York City, like they didn't do apartments back then. And

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<v Speaker 1>even more spectacular than that it being one of the

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<v Speaker 1>first apartment buildings is that it was plunk down in

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<v Speaker 1>the Upper West Side at a time when Central Park West,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most what is it, white heeled, high heeled,

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<v Speaker 1>well healed, well healed, like bits of stretches of real

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<v Speaker 1>estate in the world, was a dirt road still and nowheres.

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<v Speaker 2>Fill nowhere, yep. Nobody wanted to go up that far.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, there's nothing up there.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right to hay seeds.

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<v Speaker 1>And in fact, it was so far out that the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who built the Dakota, who will meet in the second,

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Cabot Clark, bought it from an industrialist whose wife

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<v Speaker 1>threatened to divorce him if he built their house out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's like, all right, I'll just get rid of

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<v Speaker 1>his piece of land.

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<v Speaker 2>Then yeah, she's like, I want to live down here

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<v Speaker 2>where it's posh in Alphabet City.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what's funny is you remember if you go

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<v Speaker 1>read our book, there's a whole chapter on Keeping Up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Joneses, and it talks a lot about this

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<v Speaker 1>part of New York history where there are all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of nowheresvills around that today are just like incredibly famous

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<v Speaker 1>and expensive.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Dakota, like you said, people were not living

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<v Speaker 2>in apartments at the time. They were living in brownstones,

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<v Speaker 2>which were single family homes, and there were a couple,

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<v Speaker 2>like a couple started to spring up in the eighteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't great. They were kind of like you think

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<v Speaker 2>of New York apartments. They were small, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of light. People didn't love renting and living

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<v Speaker 2>in them. And along came this guy, Edward Cabot Clark

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<v Speaker 2>that you mentioned. He was the president of the Singer

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<v Speaker 2>Sewing Machine company. So he was loaded and he got

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<v Speaker 2>together with an architect named Henry Janeway Hardenberg a great name,

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<v Speaker 2>and to get into real estate. And the first thing

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<v Speaker 2>they built which is sadly not there anymore. Is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a prototype for the Dakota called the Van Corlier,

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<v Speaker 2>a red brick, five story, thirty six apartment building that

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<v Speaker 2>was on Seventh between fifty fifth and fifty six.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it immediately improved on its predecessors because the

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<v Speaker 1>rooms were larger, the apartments themselves were larger. There was

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<v Speaker 1>a courtyard, so there was plenty of like natural light

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<v Speaker 1>and air, had elevators apparently which we talk in like

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen eighties, eighteen seventies, and there was also I

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<v Speaker 1>think a what was there, Oh, there was a ramp

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<v Speaker 1>that went beneath it. So then you didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>silly your family reputation by accepting deliveries out there in public.

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<v Speaker 1>You could go down to the basement and meet the

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<v Speaker 1>delivery driver to keep them to take whatever they gave you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it was just nicer overall. I think there

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<v Speaker 2>was an intercom system and you know, like Spanish tile.

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<v Speaker 3>It was just a step up for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>And all of a sudden in eighteen seventy eight they

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<v Speaker 2>rented out very quickly, and so Clark was like, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out if you build it nice enough, they

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<v Speaker 2>will come and apartments can be a real thing. And

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<v Speaker 2>like you said, bought that property or I guess it

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<v Speaker 2>was just land at the time, right, yeah, bought this

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<v Speaker 2>land from Jacob Henry Schiff way way uptown and decided

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<v Speaker 2>to build his second sort of dream property there.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, which would be the Dakota. And I say that

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<v Speaker 1>we pause from stage break and then return and begin

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Dakota some more.

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<v Speaker 3>And Tiffany Hattish right after this, stoffy jaws.

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<v Speaker 1>Sho, stff you a job, job, So Chuck, we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the Dakota now starting now.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So, if the vancourtlier was an advancement based on the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff that came a few years before it, the Dakota

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<v Speaker 1>was an even better advancement improvement based on the van courtlier.

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<v Speaker 1>It had big apartments, big rooms, yard, lots of light,

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<v Speaker 1>ramp underneath and all that stuff. But it was also

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<v Speaker 1>like even more luxuriously designed. Like if you came over

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<v Speaker 1>to someone's apartment, you couldn't see through down the hallway

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<v Speaker 1>to every single room. The walls were kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>designed around so that you couldn't like there was a

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<v Speaker 1>separation between your visitors and the living part of the

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<v Speaker 1>apartment or the sleeping part, you know, the family part,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess is what you'd call it. Just little details

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<v Speaker 1>like that. Another big detail was that it had its

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<v Speaker 1>own power plant that generated electricity for it in the

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>The kitchens had little balconies so if you had stinky

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like garbage that you couldn't get down, or maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even stinky food or something, you could put it just

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<v Speaker 2>right outside the kitchen, which was something that a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of places didn't have. They had a boiler, so they

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<v Speaker 2>had insulated pipes bringing steam and hot water into the building,

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<v Speaker 2>which was a big innovation at the time. And they

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<v Speaker 2>had tennis courts, they had croquet courts. It was a

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<v Speaker 2>real gym. It still is. It's one of my favorite

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<v Speaker 2>buildings in New York. Oh yeah, every time I go

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<v Speaker 2>up there to Central Park, at least, I try to

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<v Speaker 2>pop out on that area and just go go give

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<v Speaker 2>it a look because it's a beautiful building. It's sort

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<v Speaker 2>of a mishmash of styles. It's been called you know,

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<v Speaker 2>French Renaissance or got German, Gothic, or even Victorian, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of a little bit of everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever seen it in person. If

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<v Speaker 1>I have, I didn't realize it.

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<v Speaker 3>You may have. It's lovely. It's right there on a corner.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the thing. When Edward Cabot Clark was creating

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<v Speaker 1>the Dakota, he was widely derided for it. They called

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<v Speaker 1>it Clark's folly because people were deeply insensitive in the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century. And the reason why they call it that

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<v Speaker 1>is because again, it's in the middle of nowhere, and

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<v Speaker 1>people aren't really into apartments like we said, they live

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<v Speaker 1>in like three story brownstones, like they live in homes.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't live apartments. The people who lived in apartments,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as this house Stuff Works article points out,

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<v Speaker 1>were widows, widowers, and people who were waiting for their

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy relatives to die so they could inherit their house.

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<v Speaker 1>And all of a sudden, Clark is like, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we're changing the game. Anyone who is anyone is going

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<v Speaker 1>to want to live in an apartment. And it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out his gamble paid off. He was right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he'd Sadly, he died before it was finished, so

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't get to see it come to fruition. But

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<v Speaker 2>It was certainly not his folly, because, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>people lined up to rent these things or I guess

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Were they all rentals at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder if anyone were available for sale.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they were all rentals.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well people rented them, but they were people that

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<v Speaker 2>had money. They just weren't like robber barons who wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to live in mansions. They were sort of the early

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<v Speaker 2>New York, you know, upper class. They were people who

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<v Speaker 2>like were bank presidents and people who like the CEOs

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<v Speaker 2>of the time. Apparently the Adams sisters were heirs with

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<v Speaker 2>chewing gum fortune.

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<v Speaker 3>They live there.

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<v Speaker 1>What's that and that flavored tea berry? One of the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest gum flavors of all time? That's it?

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<v Speaker 3>Was it?

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<v Speaker 1>Tea berry?

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<v Speaker 3>Now? Are you kidding? Because I can't tell.

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<v Speaker 1>No, No, that's for real. It's like a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>salmon pink colored gum. No. No, the wrapper is okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it tastes like salmon too. No, it's a really delicate,

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<v Speaker 1>unique flavor and you could probably find it like cracker barrel.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't they have all sorts of old timey candies or

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<v Speaker 1>one of those rocket fizz places.

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<v Speaker 3>I have no idea anywhere that sells candy.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll bet they have tea berry stick gum and it's

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<v Speaker 1>really worth trying.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, O's a nice tip there, thanks.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Dakota started a trend all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>luxury apartment houses started popping up all over the place,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of in the same model, with like bigger rooms

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<v Speaker 2>and higher ceilings and stuff like that, and the Upper

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<v Speaker 2>West Side. It wasn't right then, but around the early

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen hundreds that really started to take off and really

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<v Speaker 2>changed the face.

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<v Speaker 3>Of New York.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they started building up more after World War One,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously when New York said they could, and apartments became

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<v Speaker 2>the way to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Eventually the Dakota started seeing a different clientele, not

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<v Speaker 1>you know, straits and squares like bank presidents, but like

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<v Speaker 1>stars like Lauren McCall and Judy Garland.

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<v Speaker 3>Wowie wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course Karloff too. That's pretty cool. Imagine living next

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<v Speaker 1>to him. And then of course two of the most

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<v Speaker 1>famous residents, John Lynn and Yoko oh No, who was

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<v Speaker 1>widely blamed for moving John Lenn to the Dakota, and

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<v Speaker 1>he would have lived had she not done that. Do

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<v Speaker 1>people say that probably somebody out there, okay, poking fun

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<v Speaker 1>at those people.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he loved the Dakota.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that would seem to be as home as they

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<v Speaker 1>were there for like a dozen years, I think right

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<v Speaker 1>before he died.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure how long he loved New York City though.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a great scene for both he and Yoko.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, anything else, I got nothing else. Go check out

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<v Speaker 2>the Dakota if you're in New York. It's a great,

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<v Speaker 2>great looking building.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes it is. And since Chuck said that that means

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<v Speaker 1>short stuff out.

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