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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: A Saturday trip to the mall turns into a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: Eight dead, many many others critically wounded, hanging on to

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Speaker 2: life by a thread. I Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 2: and Serious XM one eleven. Take a listen to the

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Speaker 2: dispatch we just obtained.

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Speaker 3: Start at thee.

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Speaker 4: A runner for Gameless right now, guys, go.

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Speaker 3: To for your information. We're getting something else about.

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Speaker 5: Possible shots fired over the Nike.

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Speaker 3: Outlets in that one.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to make out some of that.

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Speaker 2: The desperate call for help at a mall, a packed mall,

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Speaker 2: when eight are killed, many others wounded.

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Speaker 1: At prime shopping time.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's home for the weekend and heading to the mall,

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Speaker 2: and then this mom's there with their children, families together,

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Speaker 2: all gunned down, including the children.

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Speaker 1: Do you hear what's being said?

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Speaker 2: People are running at Polo Ralph Lauren, We're trying to

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Speaker 2: get the shooter. He's still shooting at Tommy Hill Figure

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Speaker 2: at Nike outlet. Can you imagine that same we've all

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Speaker 2: been to the mall, We've all seen these very stores,

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Speaker 2: gunshots ringing out at first people didn't want to believe.

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Speaker 1: What they were hearing.

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Speaker 2: They wanted to believe someone had set off firecrackers. Take

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Speaker 2: a listen to our friends at w FAA.

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Speaker 6: My mom and I were in Johnson and Murphy's shopping

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Speaker 6: and I don't know where I heard about like ten

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Speaker 6: pops go off and I look at the cusser next

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Speaker 6: to me.

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Speaker 1: I was like, was that gunshots?

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Speaker 6: And he's like, no, it's probably just construction or something.

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Speaker 6: And then like heard ten fifteen more shots go off,

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Speaker 6: and so I ran to the front of the store

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Speaker 6: and we're like, no, that's shooting, and we see the guy.

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Speaker 6: There's this guy dressing all black, wearing a vest, has

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Speaker 6: assault rifle and he's just shooting at people.

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Speaker 7: Terrified shoppers take cover Saturday afternoon in the back of

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Speaker 7: stores at the Allen Premium Outlets as police respond to

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Speaker 7: an active shooter on the property.

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Speaker 8: I got box seased to shut the door because you

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Speaker 8: don't know where the shoots it was.

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Speaker 7: Mayhem Punnik abu Asker was with his wife and one

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Speaker 7: year old child when he heard gunshots outside of H

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Speaker 1: He grabbed a woman he.

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Speaker 7: Says was shot in the side and brought her into

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Speaker 7: the store.

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Speaker 1: You know, I need some help here. That's why she said,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why I got shot? What's going on?

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Speaker 9: And that's when I just saw a block playstoma.

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Speaker 2: The shock that is going to live with all of

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Speaker 2: these witnesses will last a lifetime.

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Speaker 1: But what about the victims dead?

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Speaker 2: Joining me an all star panel to makes sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now. First of all, to Professor

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Speaker 2: of Forensics Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My

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Speaker 2: Body Bags, with.

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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan.

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott, Well, everything about that this is deadly and evil.

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Speaker 1: This guy, this shooter.

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Speaker 2: Why is he clothed like he's going to a masquerade party.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's dressed all in black and shows up

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Speaker 2: with what kind of weapons does he show up with

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Speaker 2: at the law?

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Speaker 3: He's dressed in black, Nancy, Because I believe this is

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Speaker 3: what's referred to as tactical gear that he is wearing

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Speaker 3: from head to toad. That is gear that would specifically

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Speaker 3: associate him with either the police or military. He's also

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Speaker 3: wearing a tactical vest. And the images that if I

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Speaker 3: am believing the images that I'm seeing he's wearing a

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Speaker 3: tactical vest which has space for multiple magazines for this

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Speaker 3: couple of the magazines there the weapon, at least, again

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Speaker 3: a prefacingness by saying, I don't know the veracity of

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Speaker 3: this image that I'm seeing, but the weapon looks like

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Speaker 3: an assault weapon. It looks like either a zero point

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Speaker 3: five to six millimeter a round, which is the same

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Speaker 3: round that you can buy two two, three and five

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Speaker 3: on top six in our world. Five point top six

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Speaker 3: is generally used by our military. It's a high velocity

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Speaker 2: I'm curious if you don't mind explaining when you say

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Speaker 2: tactical gear. All of us in law enforcement or the

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Speaker 2: military understand that, But what do you mean by it,

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Speaker 2: For instance, the multiple pockets on his clothing, Well.

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Speaker 3: Let's just think about think about it this way, with

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Speaker 3: the tactical with the vest that he's wearing, a big

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Speaker 3: vest that you wear, and the magazines that contain the

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Speaker 3: ammunition are posted on the front of the vests, okay,

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Speaker 3: and they're inverted. That means that they're upside down. So

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Speaker 3: if you grab one by the base, you quickly pull

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Speaker 3: it out, you drop the empty bag, and then you

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Speaker 3: insert the next MAC. It has to do with speed

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Speaker 3: and efficiency. And that's what this goes to.

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Speaker 2: Who in the world goes to the mall, a packed

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Speaker 2: mall at the highest shopping hour, the most people in

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Speaker 2: tactical gear, black tactical gear and loaded down with weapons

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Speaker 2: and AMMO. You were just hearing from our friends at

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Speaker 2: WFAA and Fox as well. But now take a listen

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Speaker 6: When I heard those shots and then when the multiple

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Speaker 6: shots happened, my heart just immediately just dropped hold.

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Speaker 8: Up and I was on the phone with nine one

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Speaker 8: one and I was telling them we have a mass

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Speaker 8: casualty incident.

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Speaker 10: Spin Hour says he got there before any first responders,

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Speaker 10: and while a handful of people around him recorded videos

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Speaker 10: of the bodies on the ground, he tried to save lives.

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Speaker 8: I never imagined in one hundred years I would be

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Speaker 8: thrust into the position of being the first first responder

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Speaker 10: Spin Hour says despite applying CPR, at least three of

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Speaker 8: The first girl I walked up to was crouched down

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Speaker 8: covering her head in the bushes, so I felt for her.

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Speaker 8: Polls pulled her head to the side and she had

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Speaker 2: The eyewitness descriptions coming out of the mall are overwhelming,

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Speaker 2: you know, to Karen start joining us, renowned psychologists joining

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Speaker 2: us out of Manhattan Trauma and crime expert at Karenstark

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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 1: As Karen with a c did you hear what the

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Speaker 2: He said a lot of people as he was rushing

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Speaker 2: to try to do CPR on the victims, many of

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Speaker 2: them already dead. Other people got out their phones and

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Speaker 2: started videoing the dead bodies.

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 11: Well, if you think about it, Nancy, I mean, so

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Speaker 11: much of our culture these days is about taking photographs

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Speaker 11: and sealthies.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you blame it on, Karen Stark? Our culture?

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Speaker 11: Well, that's how their respond to a crisis. That you

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Speaker 11: sort of separate yourself from what's happening and you put

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Speaker 11: your phone in front of you. And that's a coping mechanism.

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Speaker 11: Even though it's not what you would expect people to do,

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Speaker 11: they really are coping by taking pictures and removing themselves.

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Speaker 2: They are vultures. You call it a coping mechanism. They

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Speaker 2: are taking video and pictures of dead victims on the ground.

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Speaker 2: How are those victims' families going to feel when they

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Speaker 2: see that? Joining me an all star panel in addition

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Speaker 2: to Joscott Morgan out of Jacksonville State University and Karen

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Speaker 2: Stark Psychologists, I want to go to the chief investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter with dailymail dot Com, Jen Smith.

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Speaker 1: Jen, tell me what happened?

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Speaker 12: Well, as you were still learning a lot about what happened,

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Speaker 12: and this happened on Saturday afternoon, and what we know

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Speaker 12: so far is that it was around three thirty pm

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Speaker 12: when the first calls came in or a mass shooting incident. Now,

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Speaker 12: actually some of the first people to be involved were

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Speaker 12: another unspecified incident. So what we know is that this

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Speaker 12: shooting began insider directly outside the H and M outlet.

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith, I'm getting a ton of questions even as

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Speaker 1: So the shooting starts at an H and M. Is

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Speaker 1: that correct?

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Speaker 12: That's what we believe so far. Yeah, either directly inside

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Speaker 1: Mall Okay, right there.

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Speaker 2: I find that really disturbing because the shooter picks a

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Speaker 1: At H and M.

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Speaker 2: How many times have I gone up and down those

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Speaker 2: And as you heard that, one witness state that he

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Speaker 2: thought it was anything but gunshots. Didn't want to believe

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Speaker 2: it was gunshots. And can you imagine all the little

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Jim, that's right.

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Speaker 12: Now, and say, I mean really targeting the most vulnerable people,

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Speaker 12: which said a lot about this person. Right. So, we

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Speaker 12: know that there are eight victims. We don't know who

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Speaker 2: A veteran criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor. She is

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Speaker 2: if you ever feel this way. I know you can't

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Speaker 2: comment on any specific case, but we've got a guy

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Speaker 2: with army style, military style weapons, dressed in tactical gear,

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Speaker 2: Joe Scott Morgan describe. I don't know why. I'm actually

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Speaker 2: shocked that one of the victims is five years old

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Speaker 2: at the mall with mommy. I don't know why I

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Speaker 14: as we do see really awful things from time to time,

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Speaker 14: the moment something like that stops shocking us, it's time

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Speaker 14: to hang it up and do something different.

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Speaker 12: It is shocking.

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Speaker 14: It's just absolutely horrific, and the people who just saw

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Speaker 1: Anything like this.

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Speaker 15: That's exactly right, Nancy.

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Speaker 16: Shocked that I am in a world that is unrecognizable

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Speaker 1: Does you know?

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Speaker 2: Lisa fine Cavali joining me, she survived the Harvest Music

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Speaker 16: We are having the time of our lives. It was

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Speaker 16: We had front row to murder, to mass murder. We

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Speaker 16: I'm alive. Why am I spared? Just like going to

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Speaker 17: Terrified concert goers running for their lives, others diving for cover,

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Speaker 2: That from our friends at NBC, guys, that was the

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Speaker 2: You know, Jo Scott, the way you're describing the type

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Speaker 1: Wherever you are, you find the exit.

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Speaker 2: And I rehearse and rehearse with the children, where's the exit,

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Speaker 1: They think I'm crazy?

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Speaker 11: Karen Starr, Well, there were parents that were on top

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith, joining US chief investigative reporter with dailymail dot com,

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to this.

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Speaker 19: The first gunfire came in around three point thirty Saturday afternoon.

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Speaker 19: That's when witnesses say a man dressed in black, wearing

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Speaker 19: body armor looking similar to a police officer, began walking

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Speaker 19: through the mall property here, firing indiscriminately, sending thousands of

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Speaker 19: people running for cover.

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Speaker 20: Up.

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Speaker 21: About thirty minutes outside Dallas is the Allen Premium outlets.

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Speaker 21: It's a sprawling shopping center that has one hundred and

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Speaker 21: twenty four apparel stores. There are also six chain restaurants

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Speaker 21: in the outlet mall. Starbucks is one of them. Simon

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Speaker 21: Property Group owns the center. The Large Real Estate Investment

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Speaker 21: Trust has more than two hundred shopping mall properties worldwide.

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Speaker 2: Back to Jen Smith joining us from deallymail dot com,

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Speaker 2: what can you tell me about how he entered this mall?

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Speaker 2: How nobody noticed him until really when he first started

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Speaker 2: aspiring the military great weapon.

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Speaker 12: Well, like you were just discussing on seeing everybody else,

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Speaker 12: this guy really wanted to. He did want to make

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Speaker 12: himself the center of attention. But the way that he

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Speaker 12: was dressed this tactical gear, some of the survivors said

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Speaker 12: that they thought he was a police officer or a

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Speaker 12: security guard in this mall. That's the way he was

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Speaker 12: presenting himself. So we're not entirely sure how he got

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Speaker 12: to the mall. It sounds like he just walked right

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Speaker 12: on up to it with this weapon. We don't know

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Speaker 12: a huge amount about this guy. We are still learning.

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Speaker 12: What we do know is that he had some insignia

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Speaker 12: on his tactical gear that suggests he was part of

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Speaker 12: kind of extremist neo Nazi groups. As I say, that

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Speaker 12: information is still coming out, but by all accounts so far,

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Speaker 12: he just walked up to the store and unleashed terror.

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Speaker 2: When you say in insignia that suggested he was with

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Speaker 2: a neo Nazi group, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 1: A swastika or what?

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Speaker 12: No, it wasn't quite a swastika. It was an acronym

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Speaker 12: for right wing groups, the letters or RWDS. We believe

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Speaker 12: that that might stand for right Wing Defense Squad something

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Speaker 12: to that extent. And when investigators began researching this guy's

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Speaker 12: online presence social media revealed that he had expressed interest

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Speaker 12: in neo Nazism and other extreme extreme white supremacy group.

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Speaker 2: And in the Nazi culture, the human life means nothing nothing.

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Speaker 1: So here we've got this guy.

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Speaker 2: A neo Nazi, and that's determined after finding a death

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Speaker 2: squad patch believed to have been on his chest, observed

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Speaker 2: by witnesses firing an AR fifteen one hundred times, killing

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Speaker 2: at least eight including children.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to Chief.

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Speaker 2: Brian Harvey with Allen PD and our friends at NBC.

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Speaker 22: At three point thirty six, This afternoon, one of our

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Speaker 22: officers was on an unrelated call at the outlet mall.

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Speaker 22: He heard gunshots, went to the gunshots. He also then

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Speaker 22: called for ambulances. We have a multi agency response helping

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Speaker 22: us work the scene.

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Speaker 19: In the moments before police arrived, we are told that

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Speaker 19: hundreds did whatever they could inside this.

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Speaker 1: Property to survive.

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Speaker 5: So we ran to the back, barricaded it with some

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Speaker 5: concrete bricks, and then right then on the security camera

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Speaker 5: and thank god, we wing in the back of that time,

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Speaker 5: we saw him walk right by, masked up, fake police outfit.

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Speaker 1: On Did you hear that? Jen Smith?

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Speaker 2: He was perceived as having on a police outfit, the

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Speaker 2: one person that people would run two and he's actually

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Speaker 2: the killer. And then a hero emerges, a cop already

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Speaker 2: at the mall on an unrelated matter. Maybe it's just shoplifting,

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Speaker 2: maybe it was a fender bender. He was there at

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Speaker 2: the mall and he runs, did you hear this? Runs

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Speaker 2: to the bullets, not a way to safety, but runs

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Speaker 2: to the sound of gunfire.

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Speaker 1: Who is that guy, Jen Smith?

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Speaker 12: Well, we don't yet know his name, but we know

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Speaker 12: he is a police officer. Like you say, he runs

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Speaker 12: towards the danger. We will I'm sure find out more

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Speaker 12: about this man, but I think it's safe to say

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Speaker 12: that had he not been there, the body current would

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Speaker 12: have been a lot higher.

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, yes, take a listen our friends at MSNBC.

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Speaker 19: He was described as wearing body armor yasmen, looking very

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Speaker 19: tactical in nature, very similar to, in fact, a police officer.

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Speaker 19: And that is how he was described by mother Abby Perez,

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Speaker 19: who brought her two daughters here and what was supposed

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Speaker 19: to be a pre summer vacation shopping trip that ended

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Speaker 19: up with her keeping her two daughters locked in a bathroom.

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Speaker 2: Guys dressed like a police officer in tactical gear.

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Speaker 1: What do we know about this guy? Take a listen.

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Speaker 23: New information tonight on yesterday's Texas Mall shooting. Law enforcement

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Speaker 23: officials have now identified than suspect who killed eight people and.

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Speaker 1: Wounded seven more.

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Speaker 23: Police say he is thirty three year old Mauricio Garcia.

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Speaker 23: Investigators say he was heavily armed with an AR fifteen

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Speaker 23: Star rifle, a handgun, and multiple rounds of ammunition.

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Speaker 1: Eight people were killed before a.

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Speaker 23: Police officer who was responding to a different call, shot

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Speaker 23: and killed the suspect.

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Speaker 20: Neighbors say that they saw the FBI agents show up

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Speaker 20: about a few hours ago. They tell us the suspected

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Speaker 20: shooter is in his thirties and has lived here for

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Speaker 20: as long as anyone can recall. They tell us he

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Speaker 20: drives a great charger and was always parked in front

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Speaker 20: of the home, except.

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Speaker 1: For the last few months.

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Speaker 20: They did notice that maybe he was not around and

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Speaker 20: might have moved out. Neighbors say they don't recall any

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Speaker 20: police activity here or problems.

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Speaker 2: You're hearing our friends at CBS, what more do we

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Speaker 2: know about the shooter? Take a listen to our friends

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Speaker 2: at w FAA.

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Speaker 20: Neighbors say the suspect always wore some kind of security

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Speaker 20: guard uniform, although no one saw him with a weapon.

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Speaker 20: They say he was very quiet, would often walk up

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Speaker 20: and down the street wearing some kind of hoodie, and

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Speaker 20: also just not really talking to anybody. They said he

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Speaker 20: had very unusual behavior. They will likely spend many days

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Speaker 20: going through through that evidence trying to determine what happened.

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Speaker 20: I've talked to multiple sources and they are not quite

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Speaker 20: sure at this point what the motive was. Even after

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Speaker 20: speaking with the family. Neighbors say that this suspect was

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Speaker 20: very quiet, kept to himself, but they believed that he

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Speaker 20: was very had very unusual behavior and sometimes dressed in

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Speaker 20: gothic wear and kind of stay to himself.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Jen Smith joining as chief investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com.

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Speaker 2: He dressed up in security guard garb and would go

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Speaker 2: up the neighbors would see him out on this street.

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Speaker 2: Was he a security guard? Was he previous military? And

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Speaker 2: I mean it sounds like you know how children did

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Speaker 2: dress up like cops. Who is this guy?

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Speaker 12: Jim, Yeah, I mean, it really is. The picture is

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Speaker 12: emerging when we know we start the neighbors say that

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Speaker 12: they thought he was a security guard. That's because of

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Speaker 12: how he was dressing. Like you mentioned, we've not been

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Speaker 12: able to verify that this guy actually was a security guard.

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Speaker 12: You mentioned though military experience. Now we've just learned that

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Speaker 12: he was in the military. We believe he was in

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Speaker 12: the army, but he was removed from the Army in

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Speaker 12: two thousand and eight, and that was over a mental

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Speaker 12: health concern, Nancy. So clearly there were some red flags

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Speaker 12: about this guy for a long time, enough to get

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Speaker 12: him kicked out of the armed forces. We're still trying

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Speaker 12: to verify exactly what went on there, But aside from that,

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Speaker 12: we don't know a huge amount about this guy. The

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Speaker 12: neighbors say they hadn't seen him for several months around

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Speaker 12: the house. We think he might have been living in

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Speaker 12: a budget in motel at least in the weeks before

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Speaker 12: this incident. That's potentially where he was running this atrocious attack.

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Speaker 12: But really, this picture is only beginning to emerge of

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Speaker 12: this horristic math murderer.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting to IRV Brand, Senior Inspector,

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Speaker 2: US Marshall Service, DOJ International Affairs and author. You have

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Speaker 2: hunted down people all over the world with the US

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Speaker 2: Marshall Service, and this guy has a car parked outside

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Speaker 2: his family home. I don't know if you've seen the

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Speaker 2: photos of his neighborhood, but the neighborhood is tree lined with.

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Speaker 1: Beautiful lawns and lovely brick homes.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he was hiding out in some

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Speaker 2: budget hotel or not, but I know what I'm seeing.

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Speaker 2: And my point is, IRV, isn't it let me say,

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Speaker 2: deadly curiosity, how people like.

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Speaker 1: This guy.

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Speaker 2: Can blend in with everybody else and you don't understand

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Speaker 2: what's lurking in their brain.

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Speaker 15: Yes, Nan, think over the years, I tried to profile people.

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Speaker 15: There'd be a certain type to a certain crime, and

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Speaker 15: I found I couldn't do it. It was people I would

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Speaker 15: look at the pictures or when I did the interviews,

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Speaker 15: or when I made the arrest. It took me by

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Speaker 15: complete surprise. It was someone that you would walk by

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Speaker 15: and target, or someone you would walk by in the

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Speaker 15: grocery store, someone that you might have a conversation with

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Speaker 15: at a coffee shop while you're standing in line. Just

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Speaker 15: like you said, you look at the tree lined neighborhood

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Speaker 15: and it's hard to envision that this type of person

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Speaker 15: lived here, but they do. And it can happen anywhere,

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Speaker 15: and it could and it could be anybody standing next

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Speaker 15: to you. And that's what's so terrifying about this.

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Speaker 2: Wearing a patch that says rwdst right wing death squads,

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Speaker 2: and he is he's showing it to the world. Nicole

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Speaker 2: Devart hots Globe, a high profile lawyer joining us. This

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Speaker 2: is her jurisdiction of Texas. It's one thing to have

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Speaker 2: neo Nazi beliefs that you keep to yourself, but he

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Speaker 2: was proudly wearing that patch emblazon on his cop slash

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Speaker 2: and military tactical uniform.

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Speaker 1: He was proud of it.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, No, it's definitely disturbing, and it's certainly, in hindsight,

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Speaker 14: a red flag. And you know, I think a lot

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Speaker 14: of us probably don't go walking around thinking about what

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Speaker 14: those initials might stand for, but it's probably in the

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Speaker 14: future something good to make note of. If you see

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Speaker 14: people wearing that kind of hate insignia, that maybe that's

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Speaker 14: somebody that we need to keep a pretty close eye on.

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Speaker 14: This is somebody who is wanting the world to know

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Speaker 14: how hateful they are.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting when she says that, you know,

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Speaker 2: to Lisa Fine Cavali, survivor of the horrible, horrible Mandale

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Speaker 2: shooting outside the Harvest Music Country festival. Same thing in

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Speaker 2: Parkland shooting, same thing at Mandalay.

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Speaker 1: A guy that was.

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Speaker 2: Suspicious, a guy that raised red flags, but there seemingly

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Speaker 2: was not enough for authorities to act on. I mean,

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Speaker 2: in Parkland shooting, that actually went online and talked about

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Speaker 2: how he wanted to shoot up the school, but yet

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Speaker 2: it still happened. So how does it make you a

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Speaker 2: survivor of this type of mass shooting when you know

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Speaker 2: there are red flags, but no one acts on them.

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Speaker 16: It makes me angry and it makes me terrified that

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Speaker 16: we don't have a system that can catch evil, evil

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Speaker 16: people that intend to kill innocent lives. It makes no

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Speaker 16: sense whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: We are not protected.

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Speaker 16: And I always wonder, you know it happened to me,

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Speaker 16: so I have a completely different feeling about the world.

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Speaker 16: I wonder when it happens to the people that make

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Speaker 16: the decisions, our leaders. I hope it never does, but

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Speaker 16: when it happens to your family, you look at everything different.

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Speaker 2: Guys, I want you to hear our friends at Fox

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Speaker 2: for Dallas.

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Speaker 7: Hundreds we're left to watch invest stigators swarmed the scene

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Speaker 7: from across Chelsea Boulevard, waiting for loved.

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Speaker 1: Ones to come pick them up. We heard what we

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Speaker 1: thought was like fireworks and then people running.

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Speaker 7: Sandra McKinley and her thirteen year old son Ryan were

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Speaker 7: huddled inside American Eagle.

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Speaker 16: I think a lot of us were hoping that maybe

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Speaker 16: everything he wasn't really happening, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, and our friends at w f AA.

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Speaker 9: So when I get out of the store, the ghost city,

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Speaker 9: like I don't seen nobody. I keep walking everybody like

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Speaker 9: others were local every shop, keep people inside, I said me,

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Speaker 9: I was keep walking on so right, see that they

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Speaker 9: see that people bodies.

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Speaker 1: And he's bodies. Yeah, tell tell me what he saw.

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Speaker 1: He's uh.

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Speaker 9: People were injured, very really bad, so bad boy.

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Speaker 19: How many bodies do you think he saw all that?

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Speaker 4: I guess seven.

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Speaker 12: It was very bad man.

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Speaker 9: I should you there are too?

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Speaker 15: Uh?

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Speaker 9: I did they give the shoots? Give him all the

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Speaker 9: way ground? Probably fight at stores, you know, they give

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Speaker 9: shooted as a glass broken and everything. Like I said,

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Speaker 9: security war too. It was dead too.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: The neo Nazi killing machine is dead. Jen Smith dailymail

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Speaker 2: dot com. Did the hero cop gun down the shooter?

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Speaker 12: He did, yeah. Immediately upon locating this guy, he trained

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Speaker 12: his weapon on him.

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Speaker 1: We actually believe that he killed.

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Speaker 12: Him with a single gunshot wound to the head. That's

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Speaker 12: what one of the people who saw the shooter's body

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Speaker 12: afterwards reported that he was shot in the forehead. So

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Speaker 12: thankfully this guy who happened to be there, he didn't hesitate,

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Speaker 12: He ran towards the danger and he took the shooter

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Speaker 12: out immediately. We know that after that, some of the

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Speaker 12: people who were injured were taken in police cars. To

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Speaker 12: the whole hospital because their injuries were so severe Nancy,

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Speaker 12: that there was no time to wait for ambulances to arrive.

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Speaker 12: So thank God that this police officer was there, and

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Speaker 12: that he took things into his own hands when he

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Speaker 12: saw that there was a danger.

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Speaker 2: Thank God for this hero cop and for the police

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Speaker 2: officers that go toward the danger, not running away from

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Speaker 2: the danger, saving the lives of so many by loading

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Speaker 2: them up in their squad cars and rushing them to hospitals,

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Speaker 2: not even waiting for ambulances.

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Speaker 1: We wait as the facts unfold. Good, my friend,