00:00:08 Speaker 1: And I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, you're presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:47 Speaker 2: Welcome to I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Winecker. 00:00:52 Speaker 3: Here you are. 00:00:54 Speaker 2: I don't know what you're doing. Maybe you're driving, maybe you're on your way to work. You're I don't know, speeding down the freeway. The volumes medium level. You're turning it up. You're turning it up, pressing the gas. The car's going faster and faster. You've just passed your workplace. You're not going back. It's in the rear view. Your boss is calling. It's just you and me at this point. What's happening. I've eaten a piece of chicken out of the fridge this morning. I physically I'm in a very strange place. I was so hungry. It's only eleven am as we're recording this, but let's get into the podcast. I love today's guest. I think today's guest is just tremendous. It's Jeff Hiller. Jeff, welcome to I said, no gifts. 00:01:42 Speaker 4: Well, thank you for having me, Bretur. It's nice to be here. How are you well, I'm okay. You know it's funny is I'm in New York, so it's two pm here and I just a yogurt out of the fridge. Oh no, see you think we would be the opposite. 00:01:58 Speaker 2: It's so reverse. 00:02:01 Speaker 3: Our personalities are fun. 00:02:05 Speaker 2: What kind of yogurt did you have? 00:02:07 Speaker 4: Oh my god, I don't want to brag, but my husband makes his own yogurt. 00:02:12 Speaker 2: You're kidding? 00:02:13 Speaker 3: How often, at least weakly, it's a big thing. 00:02:17 Speaker 2: The only way I've seen a homemade yogurt get made was there was a shark tank convention that seemed extremely dangerous where you kind of just put a like a wire into a jug of milk and it like electrified the milk until it became yogurt or something, which didn't make sense to me health wise. How is he making it? 00:02:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't not sound good. 00:02:40 Speaker 4: And it's different than that he makes it where he's like it couldn't be easier. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: It's like so complicated. 00:02:46 Speaker 4: It's like there's a skillet with water and then there's a pot inside the skillet that he cooks it, and then he has to do something like that's he pasteurizes the milk and then he just uses he got these what do you call them, you know, like yogurt little creatures. 00:03:05 Speaker 2: Like the bacteria or whatever. 00:03:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, the bacteria exactly, and he and he puts them in. But it's at first he ordered them and they were in this little pack. But then now he's been doing it for so many years that he just uses the yogurt from the previous batch to whatever. So it's kind of like, you know, like a sour do a starter which also. 00:03:23 Speaker 2: Has kind of like sea monkeys or something exactly. 00:03:27 Speaker 3: It's like dirty sea monkeys. 00:03:30 Speaker 2: How long does it take for the yogurt to be. 00:03:31 Speaker 4: Made, Well, then it sits on a shelf for at least a day. I'm gonna say twelve hours, but that's I'm not gonna lie. I'm that's a guess. I don't really know that for a fact. 00:03:42 Speaker 2: And then it goes to the fridge. 00:03:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it goes in the fridge. 00:03:46 Speaker 2: Huh, how did he figure this out? Was it like trial and error? I feel like that's not just something you know how to do, but it's also such a dangerous thing to make. 00:03:57 Speaker 4: It is, especially since like there's just milk on top of our fridge for like days at time. You know his good friend from college is sort of an expert on fermentation. 00:04:10 Speaker 3: Oh, I think it had to do with him. 00:04:14 Speaker 2: You've got to know somebody to get what he writes book, so you could just get as a book too. And does it do you smell the yogurt? Does your whole apartment smell like yogurt? 00:04:27 Speaker 4: No, the yogurt's not too bad. The sour dough bread sometimes does smell. Let's start or not the bread. The bread smells good when it's baked, right. But then he makes this thing called kitchery and it smells really. 00:04:44 Speaker 2: What is kitchery? 00:04:46 Speaker 3: It's like an ire Vedic sort of mushy food. 00:04:50 Speaker 2: What this is not doing a good job of describing. I cannot visualize. The word doesn't tell me anything about what it looks like. It's a mushy food. 00:05:02 Speaker 4: It's like you take mung beans and some sort of a grain, you know, an ancient one, right, and so it's like it's kind of like beans and rice, but mush year. 00:05:15 Speaker 2: And is this like a breakfast food or when are you eating kitchery. 00:05:18 Speaker 4: Well, I'm never eating it's a girl husband. I think it tastes growth. I don't like the texture, and I don't like the smell. My husband likes it as like, you know, is he lunch food? I just bring it with me to school or whatever. 00:05:32 Speaker 2: Right, kitchery? Do you do? You know how to spell kitchery? 00:05:37 Speaker 3: M kay? I no, I don't. 00:05:44 Speaker 2: Wow, I've never heard of that food. I'm so fascinated by a new type of mushy food. I mean, there's so much going on in your kitchen. 00:05:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like cut to me, like microwaving Trader Joe's macaroni and cheese, you know. 00:06:02 Speaker 2: And is yogurt kind of a daily snack for you? I feel like when you're making that much yogurt, you've got to just be eating it NonStop. 00:06:11 Speaker 3: I don't eat it daily, but I do eat it frequently. 00:06:15 Speaker 4: I had to take antibiotics because I had what was a very young, very sexy case of diverticulitis, and so I'm trying to build up my my gut. 00:06:27 Speaker 2: Oh, of course, of course, antibiotics really can devastate you. 00:06:34 Speaker 3: They really can. 00:06:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, just lay waste to your entire body. 00:06:37 Speaker 3: But yeah, lay waste to your waist. 00:06:43 Speaker 2: This is your diaplane. Just abusing antibiotics. 00:06:52 Speaker 3: My mother's helpers or whatever. 00:06:59 Speaker 2: What else is going on in your life outside of eating yogurt and antibiotics? 00:07:04 Speaker 3: Well, it's raining here. Oh you know what. I just got new wallpaper. 00:07:09 Speaker 2: Oh you're kidding it? Can I see it? 00:07:12 Speaker 3: Yeah? Can you? 00:07:14 Speaker 2: Oh? From here it looks beautiful. 00:07:17 Speaker 4: Oh the closet doors open. How embarrassing. Yes, it is beautiful. It's very seventies sort of. It's called mustachio. It's from flavor Paper. It's beautiful. 00:07:29 Speaker 2: Flavor Paper. Is that a wallpaper website? 00:07:31 Speaker 3: It is? It is. It's a it's an artisanal Brooklyn, Oh, wallpaper maker. 00:07:39 Speaker 2: Well, from what I see, flavor Paper does an excellent job. Did you put it up yourself? 00:07:44 Speaker 3: Oh? My god, Bridge, or who do you think I am? 00:07:46 Speaker 2: No, No, you're someone who eats yogurt made on top of his fridge. I think that's that qualifies you for putting up wallpaper. 00:07:55 Speaker 4: Oh well that's a good point, you you would think. But no, that's where my skills set. Well, first time, I didn't make the yogurt either. 00:08:02 Speaker 2: That's true, that's very but just to be in proximity of someone who makes homemade yogurt. I feel like, just imbuse you with a certain set of skills. 00:08:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, but my husband doesn't even want to like paint a wall, So we're really hiring people out for the home improvement situation. 00:08:19 Speaker 3: That's me. 00:08:20 Speaker 2: I mean, the idea of putting up wallpaper is so stressful. 00:08:23 Speaker 4: I know, and this isn't even like peel and stick, But even that I couldn't do because I would. 00:08:27 Speaker 3: I can't line things up. 00:08:28 Speaker 5: No. 00:08:30 Speaker 2: Spatially, all of that sort of thing. I just fall so short. I can't imagine putting up something permanent, and then I know that it's going to be slightly off, and then I'm also someone who will live with it, and so then it's just I'll never fix it. So you had somebody that seems like a fairly small part of the room. So someone came in. How long did that take somebody? I feel like a professional. That takes twenty minutes. 00:08:55 Speaker 3: That only took about two hours. But okay, there are three walls. Oh show you all of them. 00:09:00 Speaker 2: You chose not to show me two of the three walls. 00:09:04 Speaker 4: I had have to pick up the computer and the microphone and the you. 00:09:08 Speaker 2: Know, it's a very private thing for you. I understand we all need to keep our set. 00:09:14 Speaker 3: Is my sanctuary. 00:09:15 Speaker 4: I will not invite anyone into it. 00:09:20 Speaker 2: What drove you to the wallpaper? You just felt like you needed a change. 00:09:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we did. We were like see, oh we also got it on this wall. It's a little more subtle. 00:09:31 Speaker 2: Oh I really like that. That's I mean over zoom. It's very subtle. But it's almost like a secrets like the wall's winking. 00:09:42 Speaker 4: My walls are clothed. Yes, I wanted to have. I did want to have. It was sort of a because you know, I'm on a TV show and I wanted to like do something to sort of commemorate it. And you know, I'm not on a Marvel TV show, so I couldn't buy a new apartment, so. 00:10:05 Speaker 2: I couldn't buy your own island exactly, so you know, it's. 00:10:10 Speaker 3: A Duplas Brothers show. In the end, So I got a wallpaper. 00:10:14 Speaker 2: Well, I will say, and I rarely say this about any television. Somebody somewhere is so good and most of TV's so bad. But uh, and I don't even usually want. 00:10:27 Speaker 3: A TV aren't you a TV creator? 00:10:29 Speaker 5: Yes? 00:10:30 Speaker 2: And I think TV's generally terrible. So it's like it's such a it's bad, it's very Television for the most part, is bad and maybe getting worse. But so in such a shock when I turn on a show and I'm not like screaming about how mad I am at the show, and like, usually when I have a guest on this, well, we've bet you know, but I should be careful about what I'm saying. But I'm like, Oh, Jeff is in a show that I genuinely door people need to go watch somebody somewhere. 00:11:02 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you, thank you. I like it. 00:11:05 Speaker 2: Where do you Where do you guys shoot that show? 00:11:08 Speaker 4: We shoot it in the like rural suburbs of Chicago, and it takes place in Kansas. There's not there aren't film crews in Kansas, and there's probably some I don't know, some tax thing. 00:11:21 Speaker 3: Of course. 00:11:24 Speaker 2: Are you guys getting ready to go shoot the next season or is that down the line? 00:11:30 Speaker 4: No, we are, yeah, I think in maybe two months very soon. Yes, yeah, they have to, Like they're all like, we have to write the scripts. I'm like, I don't know. 00:11:41 Speaker 3: I'm right to go. 00:11:45 Speaker 2: I'm on my way while you guys are shooting. Are you living in Chicago or are you living in this in the area where you shoot. 00:11:55 Speaker 4: We lived in the area where we shocked for the first season. I'm not exactly sure what we're going to do for season two, but we I lived in and it was sort of like a less furnished like one of these mansions you would see like on the Real Housewives, like very like we were built in two thousand, like it's like new but twenty years old, you know. And it had like this double staircase and stuff. And I lived there with Bridgid Effett, who plays Sam on the show, and Murray Hill, who plays fred Ricoco. 00:12:32 Speaker 3: But it was like a big show, I know, but it was so big. 00:12:35 Speaker 4: We all had our own bathrooms and bedrooms obviously, and we also all had our own kitchen. 00:12:41 Speaker 2: Whoa, that's a huge house. 00:12:43 Speaker 4: What I know, Well, Murray's was sort of a kitchenette he lived in like what I guess was maybe supposed to be like servants quarters or something. And then it was the main kitchen that was bridgets and then there was also I don't know why this is, but there was a full kitchen the basement and I was like, I'll take the basement chen. 00:13:04 Speaker 2: Wow, how fascinating. And did the production provide this bizarre house or did you guys find it? 00:13:10 Speaker 3: And Bridget found it on a little website called Airbnb. I don't want to brag, but we have access to it all sorts of websites exactly. We have internet. 00:13:27 Speaker 4: One time, when I was like filming this web series, the producer came and was like, I just want to announce to everyone that this series will be shown on YouTube. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: I was like, I've gained access. 00:13:43 Speaker 3: I was like, okay, it's just. 00:13:47 Speaker 2: Such a red flag for any other show. What year was that. 00:13:53 Speaker 4: This is a long time ago. It was even before like YouTube premium and all that business. It was like, I think it was like when YouTube was in its nacency. I think it was like two thousand and five or something. 00:14:03 Speaker 2: This is the fourth video uploaded to YouTube. 00:14:09 Speaker 3: Dog web series. 00:14:11 Speaker 2: I mean, speaking of housewives, are you a big watcher of the Housewives? 00:14:16 Speaker 3: No? 00:14:16 Speaker 4: I used to watch them, but no, I but mainly just because I only have streaming and I don't know how to get Bravo without just like buying, right, I don't want to pay the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. 00:14:32 Speaker 3: What if it sucks? Mean? 00:14:34 Speaker 4: Well, I totally do that for drag Race, So I guess I'm I mean, I don't know. 00:14:40 Speaker 2: As a Salt Lake City watcher, I can absolutely say it's worth all the money in the world. Oh, I mean, take out a second mortgage, do whatever it takes. 00:14:51 Speaker 4: Perfect television, it feels like there's a lot of scandals coming out of Salt Lake City. 00:14:57 Speaker 3: Lot. 00:14:57 Speaker 2: Yes, I just feel like they're bad women. They're just there. I mean, at least one of them has truly ruined lives all across the country. 00:15:09 Speaker 3: Oh right, like old people, right, Yes, terrible, terrible. 00:15:15 Speaker 2: I mean, I guess for legal reasons, we have to say that she's been accused, yes, accused of ruining lives all over the country. But when you fall into that the world of being accused of ruining lives, I feel like you're probably not not on the straight and narrow. 00:15:31 Speaker 3: Well, I did an episode of Watch What Happens Live where I was the bartender. 00:15:35 Speaker 2: Oh I think I saw that episode so. 00:15:38 Speaker 4: That they had one of the housewives on from Salt Lake City, and I forget which one she was, but one of her friends said she had slept with every man in New York. 00:15:48 Speaker 2: Oh. Yes, Meredith Marx, Meredith. 00:15:50 Speaker 3: Marks, and I was like, whoa, that is edgy. 00:15:54 Speaker 4: I can't believe. She said that must be like the big scandal. And Bridget, who faithfully watches the show, was like, that's not even in the top ten. She was like, true, people have been arrested, people are bired because it turns out they love Trump and like tweeted racist stuff. 00:16:11 Speaker 2: I was like that, Yeah, every episode there's a huge revelation. Did you interact with Meredith at all a little bit? 00:16:23 Speaker 3: I don't she did. She did not seem interested in taking in my humanity. 00:16:34 Speaker 2: Feels like her vibe. 00:16:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, legit, she was the star of that moment, you know what I mean. Like it was all about like I think there reunions just about to happen or something. 00:16:44 Speaker 3: So like they barely even talked anything about about my show. 00:16:49 Speaker 4: They just talked about seltics and I was just like, wow, interesting. I was like actually drinking, you know, at the bar. 00:16:55 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm not talking to me. 00:16:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've always curious about the bartender on that show, and like it feels like an awkward position to be and regardless of who you are, who the other two guests are kind of just your position is to lurk. 00:17:14 Speaker 4: You know, you don't sit, so you just standing. I've done it twice now and you're you're just sort of standing. But the first time I did it, Brooke Shields was on and she recognized me from something and called it out and invited me into the conversation. And oh my god, I think Brooke Shields is the best human being in the world. 00:17:31 Speaker 2: Of course, and what a beautiful thing to do. And Brook Shields is extremely famous, certainly more so than Meredith Marx. 00:17:41 Speaker 4: I guess you're right. I guess you're right. Yeah, And you know, it wasn't like Meredith Marks was mean. She just was like she needed to like make sure that she was looking okay and that was her priority. 00:17:52 Speaker 3: Does that make sense? 00:17:53 Speaker 2: And I also, I do believe that episode kind of took caught fire online because I guess her face was looking different than usual or something people right now. 00:18:02 Speaker 4: I hadn't seen her face previously, so I was like, I guess this is how this woman looks. But then I had several friends be like, what did her face look like in person? 00:18:11 Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, kind of look like what it does unscreened it wasn't that different. 00:18:17 Speaker 2: The thing about any of those Housewives shows is like anytime they're in a new location or they're being interviewed, they look completely different face wise. Their faces are all over the place. 00:18:27 Speaker 4: Right right, and you know, I mean, if we want to get into you know, the patriarchy, then these women are told that their value is in you know, their dress that. 00:18:40 Speaker 3: They're running into, how their hair is falling. 00:18:42 Speaker 4: And so you know, she was I think she was super concerned that she didn't want to look bad on you know, the after or whatever this watch What Happens Live, and consequently probably did a little work and then people ripped her to shreds for that. 00:18:57 Speaker 3: Yes, and they probably would have ripped her shreds if she. 00:19:00 Speaker 2: It didn't matter. If the internet was ready to scream, ready to scream about any face. 00:19:04 Speaker 3: She had exactly all of them. 00:19:08 Speaker 2: There's no oh boy, oh well that's uh so. Yeah, that was my other question about the bartender. I'm always curious as if that's actual liquor. 00:19:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, Deally is shocking. 00:19:23 Speaker 2: It's not just iced tea. 00:19:25 Speaker 4: No, No, they ask you what drink you want, and both times I like, I was like, I'm going to. 00:19:31 Speaker 3: Order a drink. That's sort of like the show that I'm promoting, and nobody ever asked me about the drink, and so they don't even know. 00:19:43 Speaker 2: Well, at least I appreciate that effort. Well, look, I could talk about the Housewives for the rest of the day with you, but there's something else I need to address you. You agreed to be on my podcast, I said no gifts a few weeks ago. I was so excited, as I mentioned, I adore somebody somewhere. I've loved all the other things you've done, little parts here and there came a Schmidt, this sort of thing, and so I was very excited that you were going to be on and I thought we're going to have a great time. We'll you know, record an hour or so of audio of us just chit chatting and move on. And so I was a little surprised when a week or so ago a package arrived for me. 00:20:30 Speaker 3: It didn't come. 00:20:31 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm now holding in my hands kind of a bag. This is thank you in a variety of language. 00:20:41 Speaker 4: How many languages, yes, armand de Sante his last name means thank you. 00:20:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, there are a lot of languages here. I don't even recognize the thank you from so. 00:20:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, they really like went deep on God translate. 00:21:01 Speaker 2: These are some very deep cuts for thank you. It's not just meyor Cy, you know, it's all over the place. So this is very kind of an international bag of thank you. But uh so I'm looking at this bag and I'm wondering, is this a gift for me? 00:21:15 Speaker 3: It is? 00:21:16 Speaker 4: I know you said no gifts, but I got you a gift. Listen, I'm from I'm from Texas. You can't show up to someone's house even virtually without getting them again. 00:21:32 Speaker 2: Well, should I open it here on the podcast? 00:21:34 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Well I'm embarrassed. 00:21:35 Speaker 2: But okay, okay, let me dive in real quick. I'm gonna pull out. So we've got now, we've got another envelope here, and I've now disrupted the whole hoarding set up. So I'm gonna rip into this back this envelope if I can. 00:22:06 Speaker 4: Oh, oh there, it is a perforated edge thing. 00:22:10 Speaker 2: I love a perforated edge. I appreciate a perforated edge unless it's edge. 00:22:16 Speaker 4: Oh right, A false perforated edge is just rude. It's like April Fool's Day or something. 00:22:23 Speaker 2: Okay, and now I'm reaching in, I'm pulling it out. Are the are they are these nylons? 00:22:33 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:22:33 Speaker 4: I think their socks or well, I guess there might be nylons. Wait, but they're only for the tiny ball of your fit. 00:22:41 Speaker 2: Oh oh yes, Because now i'm reading it, it says it's a cotton toetopper. It's a top, so it's like a small I'm gonna continue opening. 00:22:54 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 00:22:55 Speaker 2: It's like a small pair of socks. That's kind of a the ones that hide within a shoe. 00:23:01 Speaker 4: Is that correct, right, Like if you're wearing a mule or a backliss any type of backless shoe, or just if you have like an especially sweaty ball of your foot. 00:23:15 Speaker 2: Now tell me why you sent these to me. 00:23:18 Speaker 3: Wow, I I wanted to get you something I thought you didn't have. And if you have this, I'm going to fall on my fucking face. 00:23:33 Speaker 2: Jeff, I want you to keep an eye. This is going to require a little movement on my part. But here are the two pairs that you sent me. And I'm lifting my leg. Oh good, I'm currently wearing Oh it's ninety five degrees, I'm in shorts and I have my I didn't realize they were called tote oppers. Uh, I wear my toe toppers with my little pair of shoes here, and they vanish in the shoe. 00:24:06 Speaker 3: But Bridge, I think I think these are different. 00:24:09 Speaker 2: These are different. 00:24:11 Speaker 3: I think they might be be These are only for your toes and the ball of your foot. There. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: I never realized it didn't cover your whole foot. 00:24:21 Speaker 4: It just covers half of your foot, because why would you want to sock that covered your whole foot. 00:24:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, so what I've just shown Jeff that's currently on my foot is kind of like it covers the bottom half of your foot almost like that. 00:24:34 Speaker 3: That's like a you know, what do you call that? It's like a hidden sock. 00:24:39 Speaker 2: Hidden sock. 00:24:41 Speaker 3: Yes, you would wear it with like vans or a slip on. Yes, if you wanted to show shape play ankles, ankles. Here's the thing, one of these. 00:24:51 Speaker 2: Does anyone ever say singular van? I need I'm looking for my van shoe. 00:24:55 Speaker 3: Where's my right van? I don't know. That's a good question. 00:25:03 Speaker 2: So this is essentially just for a backless shoe, yeah, exactly. Or if you just want to drag your heel around the wherever. 00:25:14 Speaker 3: If you just want a dirty heel, But you want a clean toe, kind of. 00:25:21 Speaker 2: A backwards five o'clock shadow sort of situation. 00:25:24 Speaker 3: Exactly. It's like a mullet. 00:25:27 Speaker 2: Okay, now I've taken off my hidden sock and I'm now putting on my toetoppers. 00:25:33 Speaker 4: Okay, now tell me. Do they stretch all the way to the heel or is it just the toes? 00:25:37 Speaker 2: Oh, it's just the toes. It's like basically the first half of my foot. I'll see. I mean I can demonstrate again. 00:25:45 Speaker 4: Let's see you were like Mitzi Gainer. I just there's legs just popping up everywhere. Yeah, that's it. See, that's the difference. See. 00:25:57 Speaker 2: Do you own any toetoppers? No? 00:26:02 Speaker 3: M hmm. I can't even really imagine why when anyone would need to. 00:26:05 Speaker 2: But I want to get some backless boots or something, some clogs. 00:26:16 Speaker 3: A mule, A mule, yes, maybe? How tall are you? Do you like? Do you like to get higher? 00:26:24 Speaker 2: I'd love to get higher. I'm five six and so, so. 00:26:27 Speaker 3: You could get like a nice wedge, huge chunky Yeah, I've seen ones that have like this, really beautiful. By the way, my gift just makes you buy more than that. 00:26:41 Speaker 2: It's just a financial quicksand. 00:26:44 Speaker 3: It's just a black hole of MANI but you could get. 00:26:48 Speaker 4: Like a really nice suede mule for the winter and if you if you want a little height, a little height on there for the winter. 00:26:57 Speaker 2: I'm walking around with the backless shoe through the snow. 00:27:00 Speaker 3: You live in Los Angeles? 00:27:02 Speaker 2: What am I talking about here? 00:27:04 Speaker 3: I figured in the summer you want your toes out too. 00:27:08 Speaker 2: I'm going to get a backless mule I have. I kind of have no choice end up starting hundreds of dollars on a pair of novelty shoes. 00:27:16 Speaker 3: That you wear zero times except for like the one picture you want to send yourself wearing the toetoppers. 00:27:25 Speaker 2: How did you become aware of a toetopper? 00:27:29 Speaker 4: Well, I'm not I'm not trying to endorse where I bought this, but I needed free delivery, and you know, mama got crying. So I went on to Amazon and I was like, what's up here? 00:27:43 Speaker 3: And it was oddly suggested for me really, and I well, I have bought the kind of sucks that you have from Amazon, and I believe that they thought that they thought of those socks as a gateway sock to the toe top. 00:28:01 Speaker 2: You obviously are you want diminishing socks, just less and less sock until you have a naked foot. 00:28:08 Speaker 3: I'm gonna log on. This is gonna be like one. This is like just a little toe top, not even not even the not even the ball of just the big toe. 00:28:15 Speaker 2: Just a thimble for your toe. 00:28:18 Speaker 3: A toe thimble is I think maybe you're a million dollar idea. 00:28:22 Speaker 2: I truly do. If someone hasn't invented the toe thimble, I will sue, So just back away from my idea. 00:28:31 Speaker 3: That's uh. 00:28:32 Speaker 2: If you're a patent attorney, I'm getting touch. 00:28:35 Speaker 3: You gotta trademark this before this air. 00:28:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, this episode's going to be delayed for years. While I'm going through the courts, I'm speaking to attorneys, I'm pitching out to various corporations. The toe thimble. I feel like somebody could probably use that. I don't know what does a thimb? What is the purpose of a thimble in the first place? 00:28:54 Speaker 3: It's too it's to prevent the needle going into your thumb right finger, you've got it on right, yeah, or whatever thumb, whatever thumb. 00:29:05 Speaker 2: Finger, one of your many thumbs. 00:29:09 Speaker 3: Just helped up. 00:29:11 Speaker 4: Just like little sausage hands of big toes. I hate sewing, and then you're like, that's why I didn't wallpaper yourself. 00:29:23 Speaker 2: Oh god, he's all thought. I mean, speaking of sewing, have you ever sewn? Hm? 00:29:32 Speaker 4: Hm, yes, because I my degree was in theater and we had to take a costuming class, so I sewed a tunic. 00:29:47 Speaker 2: Oh, tunic for yourself? Else? 00:29:51 Speaker 4: Yes, it was for a costume for the the Shakespeare show. 00:29:55 Speaker 3: We did that. You're I can't remember what it was. I know remember what the show was. 00:30:01 Speaker 2: But I can only remember the tunic it was. 00:30:04 Speaker 4: It was like it was the kind of like you know those blankets that you put on your bed that that like feel really soft but very artificial. 00:30:14 Speaker 3: It's like a microfiber. It was made out of that. 00:30:18 Speaker 2: Oh what color? Was it? 00:30:21 Speaker 3: Like the hunter green? Okay? 00:30:23 Speaker 2: And that God knows where it is now? 00:30:26 Speaker 4: I guess yeah, in the costume posit. I think that's it's been. I've been out of college for quite some time. It's probably in a landfill if i'm I'm not. 00:30:35 Speaker 2: I hope somebody's wearing it right now wandering around in a tunic. 00:30:40 Speaker 3: Me too. 00:30:42 Speaker 4: I don't think my my college is that bohemian, but maybe what college. Wow, it's very impressive. You know, when people say, like, I went to college in New Haven, I went to I'm just gonna say, I went to Texas Lutheran College in sekiin Texas. 00:31:04 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it's super impressive school I went to. 00:31:07 Speaker 2: I think you and I both probably have a familiar feeling being in the entertainment industry where frequently people went to fancy colleges. And I'll be like, oh, I went to the University of Utah, and just like it's a perfectly fine college. But it's not. You know, everyone else went to I really. 00:31:24 Speaker 3: Don't they Oh is that true? And maybe it was just like what some dancer told me. 00:31:31 Speaker 2: A dancer who went through the dance program at. 00:31:33 Speaker 3: The university, it's a very good program. 00:31:37 Speaker 2: No, I kind of believe that they would have a good dance program. I feel like dance is very important. It's a lot. I felt like every at least every girl I went to school with was in some sort of dance program at some point. 00:31:51 Speaker 3: It's a good dance program. 00:31:52 Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, you know, I know two other people who went to the University of Utah, So I don't think it's that Like, I bet you don't know anybody else who went to Texas Lutheran College. 00:32:02 Speaker 2: I don't, but I mean maybe I didn't. 00:32:05 Speaker 4: Know anybody else who went to Texas Lutheran and I went there. 00:32:10 Speaker 2: I want to know who you went. Who else went to the University of Utah. I'm looking to connect with some alumni. 00:32:16 Speaker 4: Well, my friend Maria Elena Ramirez went there. Hello Elena, she's a Broadway actor. And then the other one, her name was Kate Finneroff and she is a social worker who I I think now she's an economist. 00:32:34 Speaker 3: Okay. 00:32:36 Speaker 4: I used to be a social worker and she was my boss at the time. It was also in Colorado, so it kind of makes a little more. 00:32:43 Speaker 2: Sense, right, right, that makes a lot more sense. And you're from San Antonio. 00:32:49 Speaker 3: I am san Antonio, Texas. 00:32:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to San Antonio in twenty nineteen. Fascinating. 00:32:55 Speaker 3: So did I. 00:32:58 Speaker 2: Very interesting play? 00:33:00 Speaker 3: Where'd you go for? 00:33:02 Speaker 2: My boyfriend was touring in le miz. 00:33:05 Speaker 3: And so you saw it at the Majestic. 00:33:07 Speaker 2: I did beautiful theater. 00:33:09 Speaker 3: Mm hmm. 00:33:10 Speaker 2: I mean it's ancient, but it's stunning. 00:33:14 Speaker 3: So was his tour cut off? It was the pandemic? Yes, they what what was it? What was his track? 00:33:21 Speaker 2: Who was he Thenardier? 00:33:23 Speaker 3: Oh the oh yeah, I know I've auditioned for Thenardier. 00:33:29 Speaker 2: Oh you're kidding once, didn't you make a good Thenardier? 00:33:35 Speaker 3: Well that's another thought too, but the casting disagreed. 00:33:41 Speaker 2: But yeah, I love that theater. I went to a huge antique mall where weirdly, like the one antique mall I've ever felt uncomfortable as a gay person. 00:33:51 Speaker 3: That feels right. 00:33:53 Speaker 2: It's like I should feel right at home here, and I feel like the cashier wants to call me a homo, probably. 00:34:01 Speaker 3: Worse, but thank you for just saying homo. 00:34:06 Speaker 2: Yeah it was. I mean it was a beautiful antique mall, just antique upon antique upon antique, which then I bought nothing. 00:34:13 Speaker 4: But San Antonio is a good place to go, like thrift store shopping and antiquing because it's not like Austin is harder because people are all always coming. You know, Austinites are really into that. Wow, you're right, that is what I'm saying. 00:34:32 Speaker 3: Wow, San Antonia is a good place to shop because says dummies don't know anything about it. 00:34:40 Speaker 4: Turns out had nothing to do with your gayness. It was just that antique mall person was like, that's you monster. 00:34:47 Speaker 3: We're not some flyover town or the eighth largest city in the country. 00:34:54 Speaker 2: But yeah, I had a nice time. I felt like the river walk is too much, you know, like Planet Hollywood or what have you. 00:35:02 Speaker 3: Mm hmmm, yeah. 00:35:03 Speaker 2: I just didn't quite know what to do with myself in San Antonio. I'll say that same here for. 00:35:10 Speaker 3: The first twenty years of my life. 00:35:13 Speaker 2: Is your family still there? 00:35:16 Speaker 4: No, they live in Austin, now, okay. I actually when I go home, I go to Austin. Although this was really good food in San Antonio. 00:35:26 Speaker 3: It's really good food. 00:35:27 Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, I think I feel like I had good food, and yeah. 00:35:32 Speaker 3: Good, I should say there's good Mexican. 00:35:34 Speaker 2: Right right, very good Mexican food. 00:35:36 Speaker 3: Well, you don't go there like French. 00:35:41 Speaker 2: I was looking for Korean and there was not a single good Korean restaurant. 00:35:45 Speaker 4: My favorite sucy restaurant in San Antonio so close, so close to the. 00:35:52 Speaker 2: Fish as far as and then back to the toe toppers. I'm just curious about, like talked about them footwear wise, what sort of person are you? Do you buy a lot of shoes? Do you have a fair fairly simple shoe collection. 00:36:08 Speaker 3: I have a pretty extensive shoe collection. 00:36:11 Speaker 2: What kind of shoes? 00:36:12 Speaker 3: Well, funny you should say that, because I do go through phases. I love. I'm really into like like a slip on, like a van, but like a classy one like Babe by whatever, like a rag and bone or we're not talking like Prada, We're talking theory. 00:36:33 Speaker 2: You're talking about like Nords from not Nords from rac Oh. 00:36:38 Speaker 4: No, I'm talking about Nords from rac baby hardcore. I'm a member of the Nordy Club, and. 00:36:46 Speaker 2: I need to join the Nordy Club. I buy all of my Vans at Nords from rac Oh. 00:36:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, Nords from rac is. Well, you know, Nordstrom started as a shoe store, so Nordstrom RAC has the best shoes that didn't sell well at Nordstrom. 00:37:01 Speaker 3: Of course. 00:37:03 Speaker 2: I don't know the last time I purchased something at Nordstrom Proper, but Nordstrom RAC. 00:37:08 Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever bought anything at Nordstrom Proper, but I have bought almost everything at Nordstrom Mac. I am a real like, I know a lot about Nordstrom RAC. 00:37:18 Speaker 2: Do you have any tips to share? 00:37:20 Speaker 3: Hmmm, Well, you got to just get the app. Just get the app. 00:37:26 Speaker 4: And you know, you'll develop your own little search searchables that you want, Like you know what it is. It's about frequency of checking in. 00:37:36 Speaker 2: It's kind of like thrifting. 00:37:38 Speaker 3: It is. It's very similar to thrifting. And you can't, like I live in New York. 00:37:43 Speaker 4: You can't really thrift here unless you did it literally every day, and I don't have that patience. But nord stormrac is sort of my thrifting. 00:37:53 Speaker 2: But I like. 00:37:55 Speaker 4: I like it when like sometimes they either have the really things that look actually good, they only have like super small or super super large, and I am super super large. I'm like a shockingly large person, so I find it perfect. Yeah, I'm like, suck on that mediums give me my exx L. 00:38:20 Speaker 2: Yeah they do. That's completely accurate of the wreck where I'm. 00:38:25 Speaker 3: For the wreck you speak it, Oh yeah, of course you get The ones in LA are great, excellent. 00:38:33 Speaker 2: I will say the bird well, actually I've kind of fallen in love with the Glendale wreck. I used to go to the Burbank. I will say the West Hollywood wreck is the worst. 00:38:46 Speaker 3: Mmm, you know I never went to that one, if that makes sense. 00:38:49 Speaker 2: Not a lot happening at that location. 00:38:52 Speaker 4: I live because I lived in Los Filas, so I lived at the Glendale Rack and that Glendale you know, went to the movie's at the gallery, that Target in Glendale. 00:39:02 Speaker 2: Oh, of course, the Glendale Target is perfect, the perfect situation. And if you if you want to dip into them all, it's right there for. 00:39:09 Speaker 3: You, exactly. 00:39:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can go get a whatever pretzel or whatever. 00:39:16 Speaker 2: Yeah. And when I was in New York, I would shop at the Union Square Rack. 00:39:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, that one's good. There's a new one. 00:39:24 Speaker 4: Now I'm thirty first and sixth Okay, when I say new, I mean, you know, like. 00:39:30 Speaker 3: Five years old. 00:39:32 Speaker 2: That's pretty new by rack standards. 00:39:35 Speaker 3: The rack is classic. 00:39:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's good the they like because the ones in Austin or in Texas they don't break out the designer things. 00:39:49 Speaker 3: But the one in Union's. 00:39:52 Speaker 4: Great does break out the designer so that it's I mean, you know, so also like sometimes even the really discounted designer it's like wait. 00:40:01 Speaker 2: Oh of course I'll go there and I'll be like, oh, well, this is still seventy dollars for a shirt that I don't care if it's seventy five percent off, it's an expensive item. 00:40:12 Speaker 4: Or they'll have the ones that are like Gucci and they have like all of these cords wrapped around all of them because they like they literally are like a sweatsuit that's over one thousand dollars and so they're like tied up like Joan of. 00:40:25 Speaker 3: Arc or. 00:40:27 Speaker 2: Just ready to be set on fire, like. 00:40:32 Speaker 3: I'll kink. 00:40:35 Speaker 2: Oh, it's always nice to find a fellow rack shopper. 00:40:39 Speaker 3: And then you know what, though, I bet they have those to toppers that North oh. 00:40:44 Speaker 2: Are guaranteed absolutely, but of course, well actually not guaranteed, because occasionally they'll probably have them and then they exactly them. 00:40:52 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, you gotta keep going. 00:40:54 Speaker 2: Back if you want to get onto tow topper. 00:40:58 Speaker 3: Do you have any rack tips? 00:41:00 Speaker 2: I have zero, red. I mean, my only tip is that you kind of have to go in with an open mind. 00:41:05 Speaker 3: You've got to be ready looking for something specific. 00:41:08 Speaker 2: No thank you, you just have to let the store wash over you. For me, it's mostly about the shoes. 00:41:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, same. 00:41:16 Speaker 2: I feel like the clothing is a little can lean, a little jigglow. 00:41:24 Speaker 4: I was going to say, like Eastern European, like like I like to go to the nightclub. Yes, let's shot for the discotheque. 00:41:39 Speaker 2: A lot of cologne, a lot of you know, USSR late eighties, early nineties. That makes sense to me, But that's basically all department stores still feel that way to me. I'll like, I'll go to Macy's on occasion. I'll just be like this, I don't know anyone who wears any of these men's clothes that like, it's not even within my realm. It's just shimmering shirts, those weird jeans with like the gills on them, or those. 00:42:14 Speaker 4: I know exactly what you're talking about, but I've never thought of them as gills. 00:42:18 Speaker 3: That is amazing. That's such a perfect description of it. 00:42:21 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I don't understand who those are four or like what the mindset of a person is that wears those. I feel like it's me, like your mom's mean boyfriend, but. 00:42:34 Speaker 3: He's younger than her. 00:42:36 Speaker 2: Right way, younger. He's trying to he like has more in trying to have more in common with you, and you're uncomfortable with a dirt bag. 00:42:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that. 00:42:48 Speaker 2: Or if you're the singer of like twenty one Pilots or one of those bands. 00:42:54 Speaker 4: Is that a real band? Oh wow, that is too bad. That's a real band because it's like the perfect made up name. 00:43:03 Speaker 2: Awful awful music. I mean my apologies to twenty one pilots and the genes they wear, or that I assume they wear. Now I've started some sort of feud with twenty one pilots. What's next? 00:43:16 Speaker 3: What a dream? A celebrity feud? 00:43:21 Speaker 2: Okay, I'm comfortable in my toe toppers. I think we should play a game. Oh okay, do you want to play a game called Gift Master or gift or a Curse, Gift her a curse? Okay, I need a number between one and ten from you. 00:43:35 Speaker 3: Four. 00:43:36 Speaker 2: Okay, I have to do some light calculating. I've got to get our game pieces so you can promote, recommend, do whatever you want with the microphone for a minute. 00:43:44 Speaker 3: I'll be right back. Okay, okay, great, I guess. Okay, So you can follow me on social media? Oh not on Twitter, so I don't do that. Don't do TikTok Well, I'm on it, but I don't post it. Just watch I am on Instagram. It's a boom boom hillar. The boom boom came from that time in college and I was really into saying like bom bomb when I thought something was sounded like vaguely sexy, and it just stuck with me. It does not mean poop. But I have been told that lots of parents call pooping boom boom to their children, and so people thought my Instagram name was poop Hillar, but it's not. It's it's like boom boom bery bee. What else my favorite music hall is I wouldn't call it lay Miss b I do love lay Miss, and what I love about lay Miss is Eponine songs. All of Epanin's songs are so good. Sometimes when to let you keep going for a while, I almost started singing. 00:45:01 Speaker 2: I've robbed the listener, absolutely robbed the listener of a beautiful singing moment or a trauma. 00:45:07 Speaker 3: You robbed them of a trauma. 00:45:11 Speaker 2: This is how the game works. I'm gonna name three things, and you're going to tell me if there are a gift or a curse and why and there are I mean, I just have to be extremely clear there are correct answers. 00:45:24 Speaker 3: So it's not an opinion game. 00:45:27 Speaker 2: This is this is purely facts, So just be careful. Okay, So let's get going here. A number one. This is a listener suggestion from Stephanie. Stephanie has said or suggested gift or a curse the way jeep owners acknowledge each other with a hand signal on the road. Are you familiar with this behavior? 00:45:49 Speaker 3: What's the hand signal? 00:45:50 Speaker 2: I think they probably just wave or something when they see somebody else in a jeep. 00:45:54 Speaker 4: Something that handsignal made it sound vaguely gift or a curse that they do that. 00:46:05 Speaker 3: I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say a curse because every time you have to always. 00:46:13 Speaker 4: Be vigilant looking for the jeep because if they drive by and you don't give them the little wah wah wah wah, then they're gonna be offended. And it just feels like a burden. Also, it's a little exclusive. 00:46:33 Speaker 2: Jeff wrong. What do you have against a little bit of community, a little bit of people finding things in common with each other. These jeep owners, they've done nothing wrong and they're all I think everybody should be waving to everyone in a similar we should a court owners should be waving at each other. You know what, other car the Kia Sorrento owners, let's wave. 00:46:57 Speaker 3: So if you do have a prius in LA you just have to constantly. 00:47:01 Speaker 2: Up in the air at all times. I absolutely look for Torust owners their every car. You've got your little community that you've You've paid thousands of dollars for this thing. You should be part of your little club. I don't know if it's a Chevy Malibu. Everybody should have their own little secret handshake for their different car. 00:47:23 Speaker 3: A gift. It's a gift. Okay, you've corrected me. 00:47:27 Speaker 5: Thank you. 00:47:28 Speaker 3: I already got one wrong. 00:47:30 Speaker 2: You've gotten one wrong, and that you know that's gonna shade the rest of the game for you, no matter. 00:47:36 Speaker 3: What you do. Wait, is this the point of the game that no matter what I say, you're going to say the opposite. 00:47:42 Speaker 2: Absolutely not. People have won this game, Jiff, very few, very few people. But people have won the game. They've overcome the odds. And it's because they were good at the game, and they didn't try to blame the host. They didn't try to accuse me of cheating or trying to rig the game. They just I think it takes a pure heart to win the game. Do with that information what you will. 00:48:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh well I already knew I was impure, So that's fine. 00:48:15 Speaker 2: All right. Here's number two. This is also a listener suggestion. Someone named Mariah has said gift or a curse Disney live action remakes. So these movies that Disney is now making, they'll take their snow whites, what have yous and then turn them into a real live action movie. 00:48:34 Speaker 4: Well, this is subjective in my opinion, because certain people is a huge gift and other people it's a huge curse. And it really just comes down to like, are you a Disney person or not? Where am I? 00:48:48 Speaker 3: You know? 00:48:48 Speaker 4: I like musical theater and they're usually the live action remakes are of cartoons, and the cartoons are always musicals. So I'm gonna say a gift. The world needs more interpretations of allan ink and songs. 00:49:03 Speaker 2: Do they keep the songs? 00:49:05 Speaker 3: I think so? 00:49:06 Speaker 4: Don't think certainly they didn't do that live action Beauty and the Beast and not sing Beauty and the Beast right, or lale as Old as Time the Lion King and not be like Hans you know, and all that stuff I do. Can you imagine they're like, Okay, we got Beyonce, but we're not We're gonna just like. 00:49:25 Speaker 3: Put in some She probably did have her own new song. 00:49:28 Speaker 2: Actually, if she didn't have her own song. Then something went wrong and the negotiating of that contract. 00:49:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they'd be dumb did not give her own song, so but they certainly had I can't wait to be king and Guna Matata I didn't. 00:49:45 Speaker 3: I haven't seen any of them. 00:49:46 Speaker 2: So I haven't seen any of them either. You're speaking to the wrong person here, and you're wrong. I think, I mean what, we don't need them. It's just fully unnecessary. It's a curse. It's again. I feel like what's happening. I feel like fan art has taken over the planet and these just f be a like fan art at a two hundred million dollar level. No, thank you. 00:50:09 Speaker 4: I don't know Hermione Granger or whatever her real name is, Emma something. 00:50:13 Speaker 3: She needed that money. 00:50:14 Speaker 2: Henny, which one was she? 00:50:17 Speaker 3: I think she was beauty? Oh? 00:50:18 Speaker 2: Was she beauty? I wish the character's name was beauty so bad. That was really alter the way that story told. Every time, everyone just telling her beauty. 00:50:32 Speaker 4: It's so true. I feel like in the tale it kind of was beauty. But then probably they were like little girls are not gonna like a girl named beauty. 00:50:39 Speaker 3: Hey, beauty, her name's beauty. But we're gonna make a real bookish that it's. 00:50:47 Speaker 2: Belle Belle, Belle is right, get over here, beauty. That really just makes I mean, I get hopefully there's a line in the movie that's get over here. But anyway, okay, Unfortunately Jeff zero points so far, it's not shocking, but it is shocking. 00:51:06 Speaker 3: It's it's not shocking, let's face it. I want the names and recordings of the people who won this, and it's gonna be like it's gonna be like the one person who won it is when you played yourself. 00:51:24 Speaker 2: There are like fifty episodes of this podcast that are just me talking and then playing the game with myself, just agreeing with everything you say to myself. I mean, there are I think maybe four or five people I need to have a list on the wall to reference. The first person to win was and she knocked me off my socks was Naomi k Paragan and she nailed it. And then and I didn't think anyone would ever win again, and a few other people won, but look. 00:51:55 Speaker 4: Well guess what, Thank goodness, I'm here because if Naomi not too off your sock, I gave you some new ones. 00:52:03 Speaker 2: Well you've got one you gave me half a sock. Ah, this is the final final one. You've got at least a chance to kind of redeem yourself. A listener has suggested a listener named Sophia is saying gift or a curse people uploading full wedding gallery photos to Facebook. So I guess they're you know, these people get married, get hundreds, if not thousands of photos taken, and then upload all of it to Facebook rather than selecting. 00:52:34 Speaker 4: Well, I know, look, I'm gonna I already got two of them wrong, so I'm going to lose anyway. So I'm going to take a controversial opinion because I know you're not going to say. I know you're going to say it's a curse. I get that. I get that. But here's my thing. When people are. 00:52:49 Speaker 3: Like, don't post pictures of your kid on Instagram, like literally just do this, you know what I mean? Like this keep scrawling baby. Like if somebody is like super pumped about their kid or their cat, or their wedding or the meal that they had last night, I am like, there is so little that's good in this world. If it's going to give you life to post one thousand pictures of you wearing that dress which you'll never be able to wear again. Let's face it, even if you can fit into it, it's weird if you wear it again. You may even paid a lot of money for that. I say, get it. 00:53:34 Speaker 4: And if your listener doesn't want to see those, you don't have to click through. 00:53:40 Speaker 3: You can just keep on squirreling. Baby. 00:53:43 Speaker 4: You can even toss a courtesy like and keep on moving. You don't have to go through each one. 00:53:49 Speaker 3: So there it is. 00:53:50 Speaker 2: Tell me I'm wrong, you're right, of course? Who cares? I mean, first of all, if you're even on Facebook at this point, I don't know what you're you have nothing to complain about. Also, I love just an assault of photos, just dumping. Just back up the dump truck and drop off every one of those wedding photos on Facebook? Is that? Why is anyone there in the first place? So if not to look at hundreds, if not thousands, of photos of you and your parents and your parents' friends, and pictures of the cake you ordered, I think it's it's obnoxious, it's great. I love it. It's also who cares? 00:54:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, And can't you mute people? Isn't that a thing? 00:54:33 Speaker 1: Mute? 00:54:34 Speaker 3: Also? 00:54:35 Speaker 2: Let's be honest. When if it's somebody that you don't really like, you get to go through those photos and criticize them. 00:54:42 Speaker 3: Hate Scroll, Yeah, I hate scroll. We love that. 00:54:46 Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with this everyone. I mean, we should all get married and get hundreds and thousands of photos taken and upload them to Facebook. Maybe it'll bring the site down. Maybe they won't have the bandwidth to to hold all of our wedding photos. 00:55:00 Speaker 3: What an inside job. I'm so smart. Take this, Zuckerberg. 00:55:07 Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna take advantage of all your data mining or. 00:55:12 Speaker 2: Whatever, billions and billions of wedding photos just instantly uploading to Facebook. I think that might be the way out of this, you know, social media nightmare. That's something we should all consider. Everyone, pick a partner and get married, and we'll report back in a few months on Facebook. 00:55:33 Speaker 3: Are you married? I'm not married. No, you are married to a maker? Were a yogurt maker? Bet? But we didn't have a wedding. I just went to judge. 00:55:43 Speaker 2: I couldn't do a wedding. The idea of it's too much, and even like a party I throw, I usually don't enjoy that much because I'm stressed out exactly, and then the idea of being like, oh, I spend one hundred thousand dollars on this party that I'm not enjoying exactly makes no sense to me. 00:56:03 Speaker 3: I know, but you know what I did do? 00:56:05 Speaker 2: What did you? 00:56:06 Speaker 3: I bought a nice cardigan from Nordy Rack. 00:56:09 Speaker 2: It's perfect. See that's all you, Docaud. You wear it to the Okay, that's wonderful. When did you get married? 00:56:16 Speaker 3: Oh, gosh, thirteen, I think twenty thirteen. It's been a minute. Yeah, And did. 00:56:24 Speaker 2: You guys have it even like a small party or anything. 00:56:27 Speaker 4: We went out to brunch afterwards, perfect friend Liz, and she paid and I was like, you paid for my reception. 00:56:38 Speaker 2: That's all it should be. I mean, I guess some people enjoyed it, but it's as far from the way I operate as humanly possible. 00:56:47 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:56:48 Speaker 4: I mainly did it so that if he dies, I get the apartment. That's the kind of romance that in the tax. 00:56:57 Speaker 2: Breaks, just pure romance. That's a magic carpet ride. I ever heard of one. Okay, Jeff, this is the final segment of the podcast. It's called I said no emails people write into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. They have problems, they have concerns about their lives, They've got issues dealing with giving gifts, social situations. I can't tell you how many of these listeners have problems. It's very stressful. So then I bring you the guest in and we try to help someone. Will you answer a question with me? 00:57:32 Speaker 3: I'm sure? 00:57:33 Speaker 2: Okay, I was like, no, fair, sure, you got to get to the wreck. 00:57:41 Speaker 3: God's sake, I have IIan merchandise, said discount prices waiting for me. 00:57:49 Speaker 2: Okay, let me let me read this question. It says Hybridger. They didn't even address the guests, which I find rude. 00:57:57 Speaker 3: Do they know who the guest is? No? 00:57:59 Speaker 2: But you Usually the person will write in and say Hybridger and guest or Highbridge are and blank And this person is really just going at me. 00:58:08 Speaker 3: But maybe I should have stained. 00:58:13 Speaker 2: Just bang pots and pans while I'm trying to answer the. 00:58:15 Speaker 3: Question, sigh dramatically. 00:58:24 Speaker 2: Okay, high Bridger and Jeff, let's just say I'm gonna type it into one thing. Actually, Hybridger and Jeff, I am in desperate need of your help to find the right birthday gift for my brother. We are Irish twins in our early thirties, but we aren't that close anymore. He is the most withholding person I know and impossible to read. I am the literal opposite. He owns and operates a distillery and a bar. He went to Harvard. Oh interesting, and so did his girlfriend. Quite the intimidating duo. He likes to work out, recently got a new house and that's about all I know. Please, what do I get? This person? Love the show? Oh, that's nice? And then anonymous, which I find this person really left out some details, and that's fine. They're obviously. First of all, let's get into what an Irish twin is. Is that when someone's like a year apart from their sibling. 00:59:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, okay, but we don't know who's the older of the two, right, I mean with twins that were sort of like traditional twins like paternal are identical. You know, yes, one of them is technically older, but basically at the same age, whereas Irish twins like you know, if you're the thirty two year old and your brother is the thirty one year old, then that's very different than if you're the thirty one year old and your brother's the thirty two year old. 00:59:48 Speaker 4: I think I don't know why you don't by the gender of the person writing. I know gender doesn't mean anything, but it does mean something to me in this moment. 01:00:00 Speaker 2: But right now it's the most important thing in the world to refuse to answer. 01:00:07 Speaker 3: I what do you think? What do you think? 01:00:10 Speaker 2: So well, look, there are so few details. We basically know that this the brother is kind of a a genius who's just absolutely ripped. He loves to work out, he's in a beautiful home. And this is all the sibling knows about this person other than he owns a successful distillery and bar went to Harvard. I mean, and again this kind of comes back to our college discussion. This person's obviously feeling a little insecure. 01:00:41 Speaker 4: Maybe if it's your big Irish twin, it's not quite as bad as it's your little Irish twin who went to Harvard and you went to University of Utah. Present company excluded. 01:00:58 Speaker 2: So the birthday gift, I mean, it feels like Anonymous. No, I mean, I almost don't even want to give Anonymous any help because the lack of details here makes me think they don't want to get big or little brother anything. 01:01:21 Speaker 4: Right, But I mean that whole thing of like he's the most withholding human being I've ever met in my entire life, and he went to Harvard. 01:01:32 Speaker 3: There's some real resentment under there. 01:01:36 Speaker 2: They've got a new house. You know, the brother is obviously wildly successful, and their life is absolutely perfect. I think what they need is to be taken down a notch. I think the gift here should be some sort of attack or threatening. 01:01:53 Speaker 3: A gift certificate to that online therapy thing that metel helps does. 01:01:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, give some sort of backhanded gift that's kind of like, not everything's perfect for you. I know that the distillery is just breaking in the money, and you're constantly rubbing your diploma in my face. 01:02:11 Speaker 3: And your Ivy league girlfriend. 01:02:15 Speaker 2: This person's related to a couple of bullies, a couple of Harvard bullies, and. 01:02:23 Speaker 4: I know that Anonymous is the bully. After all, Anonymous has already just erased me. 01:02:30 Speaker 3: It's just just. 01:02:31 Speaker 2: Erasure complete at the size the show of disrespect here is disgusting. And meanwhile, the brother, who seems very level headed is just on the path of success. Didn't even have to write into the podcast. He's got everything under control. He doesn't need my help. 01:02:50 Speaker 3: Right, he doesn't even need a degree to run the distillery, but he has one from Harvard. 01:02:58 Speaker 2: So I think the giftonymous is to show them a little more respect. Let go of the jealousy, let go of the anger. I know that things haven't gone quite your way, Anonymous, but that's not your brother or his snob girlfriend's fault. They're just living their you know, kind of elitist life and you need to grovel at their feet. 01:03:28 Speaker 3: What is it? Distillery? Is that? In my mind, that's like whiskey? But can that just be beer? 01:03:33 Speaker 2: I think I'm absolutely the last person you should be asking. I have no idea. I assume that it's more hard liquor type thing. 01:03:41 Speaker 3: It's a hard. 01:03:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I believe a brewery would. 01:03:46 Speaker 3: Bere and vineyard would be wine. Right, So what distillery is like? 01:03:52 Speaker 2: So this is kind of like a vodka magnate or whiskey or. 01:03:57 Speaker 4: Right from men? All those potatoes or whatever. 01:04:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, your potatoes, your corns, your what have you, and then running this high end bar that you're using to kind of flaunt your money. As your anonymous sibling. I mean, it's just a shadow in your life. 01:04:16 Speaker 3: Right, does feel like. 01:04:18 Speaker 4: I mean, I know he owns the distillery, he's not a bartender, but it does feel like it's interesting to think of a bartender who's completely withholding. But I guess bartender's sort of like a therapist, and a therapist is also withholding, you know, professionally, right. 01:04:33 Speaker 3: Anyway, Yeah, I think I think the gift is staying out of his. 01:04:39 Speaker 2: Life, leave him alone. I mean, go mop his floors. He obviously loves to just see you degraded and at your worst. 01:04:52 Speaker 3: Or go to home goods and getting something cute for the apartment. 01:04:55 Speaker 2: For the little sign, Yeah, the little saying. 01:04:58 Speaker 3: Something you know about spirit started working out live laugh, squat. 01:05:08 Speaker 2: There we go. We got to the gift. It just took some time, and it was because there were not enough details. And I hope Anonymous has learned a lot of lessons here, obviously not Harvard level lessons, but you take what you can get. 01:05:22 Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, I've met a few people who went to Harvard that might have been a Harvard level lesson. I don't know. We'll see. 01:05:30 Speaker 2: These Harvard people. Give me a break. Geoffrey answered the question beyond what Anonymous could have asked for. It was perfect. They got the gift idea, they learned. I now am currently in toetoppers. I've learned. You know that there was a difference between a toe topper and a half of a hidden sock. 01:05:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish we knew the actual name for those little right, So maybe it's just an invisible song. 01:06:02 Speaker 3: Invisible or no show sock. 01:06:05 Speaker 2: No show. No show sounds right to me. 01:06:07 Speaker 3: No show feels right, yeah, right. 01:06:09 Speaker 2: And I frequently have to. I frequently buy them out of the women's sock department because I feel like men the ones they make for men are too big for my feet. 01:06:18 Speaker 3: Oh see, I have a Sice thirteen shoe. 01:06:21 Speaker 2: So again, back to the rack. You go to the thirteen section. Any shoe you could have ever imagined, They've got them. 01:06:27 Speaker 4: It's it's it's good. Although sometimes sometimes the elevens seem better, and I can sometimes squeeze into it twelve, but an eleven never, never in a million years. 01:06:42 Speaker 2: That's that is a tip I'll give for the rack. Don't squeeze into a shoe. I know that the deal is great, but you're gonna regret, You're gonna never wear it. You'll never wear it. Then it's not a deal. It's money you threw away exactly, so don't be seduced. 01:07:00 Speaker 4: Also, truly look at the app. It's fun to go into the store, but sometimes it's just nice to shop from your. 01:07:07 Speaker 3: Bed, you know what I mean. 01:07:08 Speaker 2: I've got to get the app. I've got to get into the app. 01:07:11 Speaker 3: It's worth it. It's worth it. Sometimes they have special deals, collections and things like that. 01:07:18 Speaker 2: Jeff Hiller Nords from Rack Rep. Jeff, I've had such a wonderful time with you. 01:07:27 Speaker 4: This is just so dry, so have I And I know you said no gifts, but I just saw those toast socks and thought, damn it, this is Bridger. 01:07:38 Speaker 2: Well, I can't wait to wear them in my uh winter wear shoes that I'll you know, be wandering maybe. 01:07:45 Speaker 3: Los Angeles where you want an exposed heel, but you probably have really good heels right there. You want to show them all. 01:07:50 Speaker 2: My heels are not great, oh la, they seem fine. Maybe I need to work on them. Maybe this is a sign. 01:07:58 Speaker 3: You know what. That's what this gift is. 01:08:00 Speaker 4: It was a passive aggressive way of being like, need to get a pumic stone. 01:08:08 Speaker 2: Again, trying to drive me to spend more money. 01:08:10 Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen. 01:08:12 Speaker 2: Not happened a monster. 01:08:15 Speaker 3: I'm a capitalist monster. 01:08:20 Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being here, and. 01:08:24 Speaker 3: I said, thank you so much for having me. I mean, sincerely, thank you for having me. 01:08:31 Speaker 2: He edit it on a very kind of tense note. I don't know what happened in those last four seconds, but things took a turn and I left a sour taste in my mouth. Jeff Hiller is not somebody that I will be communicating with again. Very templemental listener, This is the end of the podcast. We're just gonna let you go and do whatever you want to do. I have no recommendations or anything for what you can do with the rest of your day, so I'm going to leave that up to you. 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You can listen to new episodes one week early on Amazon Music or early and ad free by subscribing to Wondery Plus in the Wondering app. 01:10:04 Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought, I made myself perfectly clear. 01:10:12 Speaker 3: But you're I guess to my home. 01:10:16 Speaker 5: You gotta come to me empty? And I said, no, guess your own presences presents enough that I already had too much stuff. 01:10:30 Speaker 3: So how did you dare to surbey me