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Speaker 3: Rob g T Shirt.

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Speaker 4: Your team, the Raiders are so god awful and now

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Speaker 4: all of the talk that's why he'd be going at you.

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Speaker 4: It's about mister Thomas Brady and his influence on the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: There's finally gonna be some.

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Speaker 5: Finger point that Tom Brady, I mean, will there The

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Speaker 5: reporting is from the athletic Gannery sis. Now he's not happy,

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Speaker 5: right that he is not happy, and he wants everyone

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Speaker 5: to know how unhappy he is the way this first

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Speaker 5: season has gone with Vegas. According to Diana, tom Brady

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Speaker 5: was a big reason why they had to bring in

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Speaker 5: Chip Kelly to be the highest paid offensive coordinator in

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Speaker 5: the NFL. Obviously, they ended horribly. They had one of

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Speaker 5: the worst offensers in football. He's already been fired, accurding Diana,

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Speaker 5: though it's not just the offense that tom Brady's disappointed,

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Speaker 5: and it's the entire thing. Here's the problem with that though,

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Speaker 5: guys number one tom Brady have to bring in Chip Kelly.

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Speaker 5: Number two tom Brady cool. According to Pete Carroll, big

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Speaker 5: reason he's ears because tom Brady wanted him there.

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Speaker 3: They are too, and ten number three don't that retirement

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Speaker 3: fun they gave him.

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Speaker 5: Tom Brady had a big say in their new GM

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Speaker 5: being there this first season. Who's at his old college

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Speaker 5: roommate and they go to college together. That's their GM.

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Speaker 5: More frontatism they hit on their first round pick, we

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Speaker 5: think with Ashton Gent, we just haven't seen enough of

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Speaker 5: their second and fourth round ride receivers have both been

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Speaker 5: leap frogging in the depth chart by Tyler Lockett, who

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Speaker 5: was a free agent as recently as a month ago,

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Speaker 5: and their two third round offensive linemen. Both of them

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Speaker 5: cannot get on the field despite having the worst offensive

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Speaker 5: line in football. So it's all bad this season for

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Speaker 5: tom Brady and he's not happy about it.

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Speaker 3: I got even bigger news for you. Are you ready?

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Speaker 4: I think it's official that we can say that Tom

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Speaker 4: Brady's post playing career.

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Speaker 3: Has been a flop. Okay, on the air and in.

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Speaker 4: The front office, it has been a flop. I dare

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Speaker 4: you to challenge me on either one. I've watched him

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Speaker 4: on Fox not confident, doesn't sound like a polished broadcaster.

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Speaker 4: I get it, it's his first year on the air.

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Speaker 4: But I'm just saying, some guys and Kelvi whn you

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Speaker 4: notice have a flare right off the bat it You

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Speaker 4: can say whatever you want. Tony Romo ain't the flavor anymore.

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Speaker 4: But did he pop when he first game?

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Speaker 3: He popped? You notice how the fun this is unique?

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Speaker 4: It's different. He popped right away, That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: And now Tom Brady and this Vegas Raiders what a disaster. Also,

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Speaker 4: Tom Brady is the mentor to Shador Sanders. They had

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Speaker 4: three opportunities, four opportunities to draft him. No, let's go

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Speaker 4: get Gino's pizza. Let's go get the oldest living coach

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Speaker 4: walking the earth. Let's go get Chip Tooth, Kelly, let's

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Speaker 4: go let what are you doing? It's so bad this

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Speaker 4: and the Raiders aren't like, oh they're having a bout

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Speaker 4: when I was a bad game. They have been god

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Speaker 4: awful the whole season. And Tom Brady's dirty paws are

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Speaker 4: all over it. This is what he was brought in for.

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Speaker 4: That's where I'm at. His post playing career has been

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Speaker 3: You might have to bleach it, Michael, I saw it. Man.

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Speaker 1: Listen, this is a lesson again of when you bring

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Speaker 3: A big game or big change. Michael Jordan.

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Speaker 1: How many years was he a big time owner with

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Speaker 1: the Bobcats, then the Hornets, and nothing changed and nothing

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Speaker 1: happening with Tom Brady. Tom Brady, they brought in and

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Speaker 1: what happens is you get guys like that or women

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Speaker 1: Oh, well, when I was really good, Pete Carrall was

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Speaker 1: a good coach. I don't know, go get him. Hey,

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Speaker 4: Do this, I knew, but back then your roommate was

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Speaker 1: You know what I said, I like that, Okay, heating

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Speaker 1: him up, heat him up. And so there's just it's rehashed.

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Speaker 1: Rob Like, he didn't come in and find some new way,

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Speaker 1: an old coach who my disorder cock could work. Go

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Speaker 1: get Pete Carroll ooh ooh, bringing his older quarterback that

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Speaker 1: Can you get me somebody else who fails up? Chip

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Speaker 1: out for chip Kelly, and yet chip Kelly fails up.

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Speaker 1: He gets to a pro organization with the Raiders and

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Speaker 1: paid a bunch of money to not be good again.

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly has been really good at not being good,

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Speaker 1: and so Tom Brady again. It's just another example of

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Speaker 1: it's no guarantee because a lot of the moves that

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Speaker 1: there's been no real there's been no energy, there's no

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Speaker 1: we're getting good, or I can see these young players,

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Speaker 1: we won three four games, we can maybe win six

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Speaker 1: There's nothing that elictits excitement about the Raiders right now,

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Speaker 1: and that's what's disappointing about Tom and his selections and

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Speaker 1: all the business he's been doing with them.

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Speaker 5: Well, Perk just nominated himself for the hottest take of

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Speaker 5: the year. And I'll say that lightly on this show

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Speaker 5: because Rob had a few and Perk just blew you

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Speaker 3: Well, at least mine a lot.

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Speaker 5: Now, let him get this data off, let him get

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Speaker 5: he was accurate. Is Kendrick Perkins on the Legends Talk

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Speaker 5: podcast talking about shador Sanders on the heels of his

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Speaker 7: Shadua Sanders is the most powerful black man since two

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Speaker 7: thousand and nine. You know what happened in two thousand

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Speaker 7: and nine, That's when President Obama got elected in office.

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Speaker 7: He's the most powerful black man since two thousand and nine.

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Speaker 7: You said you were sitting there watching the game in

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Speaker 7: your house and what you did ran? You ran with

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Speaker 7: the TV. Right, who was you doing, dB oh cheer?

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Speaker 7: You was chairing like when Shadua Sanders is on the field.

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Speaker 7: And when I say powerful, powerful, because it's two sides

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Speaker 7: black community. He bringing the whole black community together. I

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Speaker 3: We won't even guess what we want him because he

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Speaker 7: Got fun with that, and he having fun with and

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Speaker 7: on top of that, y'all want me to say it,

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Speaker 3: It, ain't gonna have it.

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Speaker 7: He's the most powerful black man in sports, no other,

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Speaker 3: He the most powerful player in sports. Terrible.

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Speaker 4: What a What an awful take by Kendrick Perkins. An

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Speaker 4: embarrassing take to equate a fifth round quarterback with the

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Speaker 4: first freaking black president of the United States in a

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Speaker 4: country where black people came over here and changed as slaves.

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Speaker 4: How dare you diminish Barack Obama and his legacy to

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Speaker 3: Are you serious? I'm kelvin, I'm not even kidding. It

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Speaker 4: Really, that's your hot take that this dude matters more

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Speaker 4: and is the most powerful man than the first black

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Speaker 4: president of the United States. I don't think so. Any

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Speaker 4: any day of the week, you want to celebrate your door,

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Speaker 4: do it. You want to root for him, do it.

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Speaker 4: There are plenty of black people. I hate to break

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Speaker 3: That's fair.

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Speaker 4: They could they have other quarterbacks that their fans off

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Speaker 4: or he or they don't like the way he comes

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Speaker 4: be serious about this. He ain't one of those great

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Speaker 4: American stories where a god came from nothing, had everything

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Speaker 3: His dad he grew up rich. Really, that's the story

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Speaker 3: that you're so enthralled with.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry it's not an anti Chador Sanders, but let's

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Speaker 4: not make it bigger than it really is. That's my point.

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Speaker 4: This is over the top, and I'm gonna be real

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Speaker 4: with you Kelvin here. I truly believe the reason that

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Speaker 4: Shador because he was this confident black man.

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Speaker 3: That is really what this is all about.

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Speaker 4: Because all your draft nicks and now all these draft

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Speaker 4: The reporting that went into it that said that he

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Speaker 3: And I'm not saying you and I'm not.

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Speaker 1: So you're doing whatever I know that I don't disagree

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Speaker 4: They love the report during a draft. Oh his dad

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about you.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying story. I'm talking about people.

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Speaker 1: That's why people will say, you know, he has the

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Speaker 1: But no, that's why a lot of people are supporting

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Speaker 3: But the reason people don't the other part is the

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Speaker 1: Man, I'm glad, I'm glad the mentioned and a lot

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Speaker 4: but Alan ivers authentically, I don't think I said was

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Speaker 3: And people say, what's wrong with that? The young man

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Speaker 4: That's why is the other way where no matter what

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, they put out a bath door.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean obviously his father said that was those

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Speaker 4: But you know those are blatant lies that that that No,

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Speaker 4: I'm answering your question.

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Speaker 4: Everybody different scouts and people organization, what a story to

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Speaker 1: I believe sure that everybody door Sanders doesn't carry himself

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: Do I believe he might have came in with some

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Speaker 3: Maybe he was prepared. Absolutely, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: To undermine the shock of a quarterback, not a corner,

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Speaker 1: We've never seen that. We talk about Aaron Rodgers to

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Speaker 1: I heard all the other stuff.

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Speaker 3: He holds the ball too long.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of the issues that they talked about.

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Speaker 4: All all the draft gurus, no one had him near there.

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Speaker 4: They had him first and second and like an hour

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Speaker 1: Unfa you if we want to have this real honest conversation,

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Speaker 3: Even did you?

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Speaker 4: So you're telling me in the league where you're trying

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Speaker 3: They don't have to draft him at all. Would you

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Speaker 4: If there was something yeah in in this case, so

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Speaker 4: why why would they even draft him? And if and

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Speaker 3: They didn't have to play him at all. They could

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Speaker 1: Because but I said, because we're going this where and

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Speaker 3: Would you give me that.

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Speaker 1: Whether it was where, whether it's what literally what happened,

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Speaker 1: that they go, well, that's weird that the one time

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Speaker 3: It never happens.

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Speaker 1: Right when the quarterback, we're not a running back with

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Speaker 3: A quarterback, but can's not happen. But here's my other issue,

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Speaker 4: His mentor is a guy that people think is one

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Speaker 4: of the greatest quarterbacks of all time, Tom Brady.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so this is to you.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So tom Brady's a part of it too, despite

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Speaker 1: No, I didn't say that for tom An So why

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Speaker 1: did he draft him? Because tom Brady's made horrible decisions.

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Speaker 1: So you just talked about last hour. But tom Brady

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Speaker 1: brought a guy is mental. I'll tell you why. Because

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Speaker 1: tom Brady is trying to win now. So he brought

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Speaker 1: in a quarterback who has a history of winning, I

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Speaker 1: mean a coach and Pete Carroll. Tom brady quarterback Gino

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Speaker 1: Smith had a history of winning with Pete Carroll. Yes

445
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Speaker 1: he did, and that's why he brought those two wins.

446
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: Because tom Brady was trying to circumvent the rebuilds and

447
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Speaker 1: it couldn't be another quarterback. He couldn't be the backup.

448
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Speaker 1: He didn't want to bring in a young dude who

449
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Speaker 1: is probably gonna need some time to develop.

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Speaker 3: That makes no sense, all right, second seven ninety nine

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Speaker 3: on Fox.

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Speaker 4: I think that's the biggest red flag is that Tom

453
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Speaker 4: Brady had no use for Shadors.

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Speaker 1: Tom Brady was trying to win. Now, but one quarterback

455
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Speaker 1: on your roster. They already did have quarterbacks on their road.

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Speaker 3: They come on stop.

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Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in

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Speaker 5: They have played football on Thanksgivings as Moby Dick was

462
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Speaker 5: a guppy And you know what.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people have tried to take it from Detroit.

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Speaker 4: There's one time I'm going to fight against that because

465
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Speaker 4: if you push him back, this is a pushback because

466
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Speaker 4: the old the old soldiering after the show, if you

467
00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 4: played that game, the owner of the Lions is the

468
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Speaker 4: one who came up with the idea of playing it.

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Speaker 4: So they estabb and it's a holiday in Detroit.

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Speaker 3: Is it really?

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Speaker 1: If you live in the Detroit area. You had at

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Speaker 1: someho you went to Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and it's as funny as he's talking about the Lions.

474
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Speaker 5: It is a legitimate honor to play on Thanksgiving in

475
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Speaker 5: the NFL because it is, without question the most watched

476
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Speaker 5: regular season day of football, even more than Opening Day.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's home, it is everybody's locked in, and it's most

478
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Speaker 4: of the country is cold. You're not coning anywhere.

479
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Speaker 3: You get up and you know a lot of places.

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Speaker 5: And so Joe Burrow will be playing on Thanksgiving tomorrow night,

481
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Speaker 5: we believe, against the Baltimore Ravens. And he was asked

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Speaker 5: by the media earlier this week what it means to

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Speaker 5: him to play on Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 8: I think just like a lot of kids, you you

486
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 8: grow up going through Thanksgiving, You have your meals with

487
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Speaker 8: your family, and then you go and sell on the

488
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Speaker 8: couch and typically there's not a lot of on except football.

489
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Speaker 8: Back in the day, it was Lions and somebody. You

490
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Speaker 8: go watch Matthew Stafford throw for three hundred four hundred

491
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Speaker 8: some yards with Calvin Johnson and probably lose the game,

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Speaker 8: but it was fun to watch. You know, those are

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Speaker 8: memories that you have and so I kind of always

494
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Speaker 8: wanted to be the person out there.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Joe Burrow. I love this man, Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: I love you, mar to watch Out. I love you,

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Speaker 3: Joe Burrow. You're going for Bengos and Ravens tomorrow. Ravens,

498
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Speaker 3: make sure make it soon. You might.

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Speaker 4: You know why, because he nailed the Matthew Stafford. The

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Speaker 4: way you look at Matthew Stafford that is, that is

501
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Speaker 4: like the whole thing, Like he grew up watching Matthew Stafford.

502
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Speaker 4: You always talk about, well, he the quarterback, quarterback. Everybody like, no,

503
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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford, that guy going for three hundred yards and

504
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Speaker 4: losing and always losing, and the Lions and all that

505
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: kind of stuff. That's the kind of thing that unless

506
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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford does something like shocking, which is win another

507
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 4: super Bowl in his MVP, there's still that that pass

508
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Speaker 4: that he has to fight the way people look at him.

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Speaker 4: And as somebody who watched his very first game and

510
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Speaker 4: watches like most of his career up close and personal,

511
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Speaker 4: as I covered the Lions home and road, you know,

512
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 4: in all those games, there's a lot of bad juju,

513
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Speaker 4: video film, whatever you want to call it. You know,

514
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 4: of Matthew Stafford's day with the Lions. There is, and

515
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 4: he did win the Super Bowl with the Rams.

516
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Speaker 1: Who had already won before you got I'm gonna qualify,

517
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Speaker 1: don't qualify? He won?

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Speaker 4: And no, but but but they had already gone without him.

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Speaker 4: It's like it's almost like the Brock Party thing. Why

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Speaker 4: I'm not a big Brock party. They had already gone.

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Speaker 4: Why got to be the pioneer or something?

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Speaker 1: Ron?

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Speaker 3: Why can't he just meant?

524
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Speaker 2: Know?

525
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Speaker 1: So Drake May can never succeed with the Patriot because

526
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Speaker 1: you know, Tom Brady had already won six over there,

527
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Speaker 1: so Drake May can't win now.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, My point is that team was already

529
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Speaker 4: put together and it's not like he led them and

530
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Speaker 4: was the Super Bowl MVP.

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Speaker 3: But he actually had two interceptions.

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Speaker 1: You do realize this is exactly what Sean McVeigh was saying, Man,

533
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Speaker 1: were really good, if only we had a quarterback who

534
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Speaker 1: was better than Jared Goff.

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Speaker 3: No, but you say, Jared GoF is gonna win the

536
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 3: lines of Super Bowl? That's what that's that's that's my hope.

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Speaker 3: No better than Matthew Stafford. Oh so so, so they

538
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Speaker 3: took a downgrade. No, Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 5: That was a.

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Speaker 3: Downgrade, the line's down grade. Oh yeah, why would they

541
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Speaker 3: trade him there? Because Matthews raking about it there?

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Speaker 4: Okay, Mounty point is that is the bag Jack Nice.

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Speaker 4: That is the baggage that Matthew Stafford carries with him.

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Speaker 4: And unless he wins another super Bowl, So you got

545
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Speaker 4: to win another, you gotta win another thirty.

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Speaker 3: Touchdowns and two and seven it's already a super Bowl win.

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Speaker 1: I think he's five and two in the playoffs with

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Speaker 1: with the Rams, and he gotta win another supers. We

549
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Speaker 1: only got two losses because then he's five. Maybe it's

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Speaker 1: five and three now to the last year, but he

551
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Speaker 1: was five and two five and uh what about the

552
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Speaker 1: wee losses with the Lions? I mean his life the Rams.

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Speaker 4: No, but his lifetime record is under five hundred, right,

554
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,879
Speaker 4: how some of his playoffs with the Ram Yeah, but

555
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: his whole career.

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Speaker 3: Are we looking at his hall?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: When you said that, I thought you would referring to

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Speaker 1: what I said with the Rams, So all right, I

560
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Speaker 1: think you misinterpreted what he was saying. I think what

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Speaker 1: he was saying is Matthew Stafford would do exactly what

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Speaker 1: he was supposed to do throw three four hundred yards,

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Speaker 1: but the team would still lose, and that is oftentimes

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Speaker 1: was the case. And I think Joe Burrow was also

565
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: taking a little shot on his own team, because what

566
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Speaker 1: did Joe Burrow do last year? Throw forty something touchdowns

567
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Speaker 1: all five thousand yards, balling out of control three four

568
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Speaker 1: hundred yards and still lose. So I think he was

569
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Speaker 1: taking a little shot at his own team, like, hey,

570
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Speaker 1: I know a little something about throws.

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Speaker 4: Talking about he was talking about just that is my

572
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Speaker 4: interpretation Thanksgiving. What I'm saying Thanksgiving memory is Matthew Stafford

573
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Speaker 4: going up three hundred meaningless yards and another loss.

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Speaker 3: It was actually that's exactly what he was talking about.

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Speaker 1: It was it meaning that those putrid years where we

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Speaker 1: had quarterback after quarterback at the quarter like well, you

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Speaker 1: can't even it was Kidna and who.

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Speaker 3: Else was in there? Uh, kidd one bad. He was like.

579
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Speaker 1: A middle is like all right, I'm not matt maddickitting.

580
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,479
Speaker 1: He was like a Jameis Winston. We're like, all right,

581
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: we we can win some, we might lose something. He

582
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: wasn't bad, but we had we had a run of

583
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: some just bad quarterback play. But no, I think that's

584
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 1: more of what he was saying. But Matthew Stafford, he

585
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: has interesting history in Detroit. We talked about it before.

586
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Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why people in that

587
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: area will still respect him because he wanted to. He

588
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: didn't shy way, he didn't do an Eli or some

589
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Speaker 1: other people, maybe even a Shador and then like I

590
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 1: don't want to go there, I'll pass. He was like,

591
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: they're back can basket. He's sure the Lions are going

592
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 1: to be their own sixteen. You want to go that

593
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: bad organization, Bring it on. I'm ready. I want to

594
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Speaker 1: be a part of the change. You remember Caleb and

595
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: his father was like, I don't know, we want to

596
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: go to Chicago. We might want to go to DC.

597
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,280
Speaker 1: Matthew was like, YO, bring it. And I think he

598
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: earned a lot of respect out in Detroit for that that.

599
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: He was helped be part of the change and got

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Speaker 1: to a few postseason runs. So but there listen as

601
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Speaker 1: a Lions fan, there were some brutal Thanksgiving. The best

602
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 1: thing was thank God something on my plate because I

603
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: know that's football game about to be terrible. There was

604
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 1: a lot of years like that. I can't lie.

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00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 3: I can't lie. There was many a here like that.

606
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: We had the barbershops when he cuts on seven mile

607
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: row between out of Driving Myers. We used to have

608
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:29,239
Speaker 4: Lion season tickets that we used to give, like when

609
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: you got a haircut, you would get a ticket from

610
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Speaker 4: your barber.

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Speaker 3: We put it into a you know, a draft or whatever.

612
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 4: Yep, and you know, if you kept coming, then we

613
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 4: start giving out Lion season tickets. Before that, that oh

614
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 4: and sixteenth season, we had called up. They had called

615
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 4: eight people, Hey we got we got a pair of

616
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 4: ticket we need to a lower bowl, like we wasn't lower.

617
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 4: We got a pair of tickets to Lions game on

618
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,640
Speaker 4: Sunday whatever, lower one hundred level.

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Speaker 5: Yep.

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Speaker 3: What else? Shall got?

621
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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 1: I rather get three free haircuts? And I get a

623
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Speaker 1: haircut free for the month, every month, every week for

624
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Speaker 1: a month. They didn't want to go.

625
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 4: It was it was.

626
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Speaker 3: It was bad. It's the weirdest thing. You were there.

627
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Speaker 1: They have a massive fan base that unwarranted because they

628
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: didn't deserve the fan base that they have. You I

629
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: think you would even agree on that. No, I mean

630
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,520
Speaker 1: it was so bad for so long they didn't deserve that.

631
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Speaker 1: I get it, but you know foot, but it's a

632
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Speaker 1: great sports town. I told you, I've worked all over

633
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: the country. It's the greatest sports town in America. I

634
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: don't care what anybody says as much as Rabbit fans. Boston, Philadelphia,

635
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: New York, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: I think those cities, a lot of them, they were

637
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Speaker 4: already split, you know, because there's multiple teams.

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Speaker 3: Detroit has that