1 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Dad starring Nicole and Jemmy and Maria qk. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 2: Hi. Everyone, welcome The Mother Knows Death. We are here 3 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: with our spring break episode where we get into some 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: more of your guys questions. Thank you so much to 5 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: everybody who had submitted some questions through Instagram. They're definitely 6 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,919 Speaker 2: really interesting to sort. I can't wait. I didn't look 7 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 2: at them yet, so yeah, so you don't know what's 8 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: going on, so we'll get into it. What would you 9 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: like written on your gravestone? I don't really want a gravestone, honestly. 10 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 2: If if you were I, you were gonna have one, 11 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:54,319 Speaker 2: what would you want on it? More? 12 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 3: Be rostos it? 13 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Of course for me? We talked about before that some 14 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: people leave recipes on their gravestones, which is something I 15 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 2: think is really cool. And this girl was going around 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 2: taking the recipes and making all of them. Maybe when 17 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 2: I die, I'll finally give up the recipe to my 18 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: pound cake on my graves. No, don't you don't own 19 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 2: the rights to that. That's Pop's recipe. Yeah, that I 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: piece back together, so it technically is mine. 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, because the recipe car was like missing half of 22 00:01:21,720 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 4: the ingredients, yeah, like or the instructions at least. 23 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe we'll see. I do like the idea 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 2: of putting like just you know, a cookie recipe or something. 25 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 2: I think that's cool. It is cool. Although I think 26 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: I want to be cremated, but just in this situe, 27 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 2: I don't know, I might get like a little bit 28 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 2: more specific about that because I don't think I like 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: the idea of being buried underground. Yeah, it is weird 30 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 2: because like nobody really knows what happens to you after 31 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 2: you die, Like nobody really knows. I don't know. I'd 32 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: like to be cremated. So, Okay, are there any unsolved 33 00:01:55,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: mysteries that haunt you? 34 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, like the the Idaho murders case is haunting 35 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 4: me because that's not settled right now. 36 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 2: Ye, i'd say that, you know the classics John Bennet, 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 2: what happened to Natalie Holloway? What happened to Natalie would really. 38 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 4: I think what happened to Natalie Holloway has been I 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 4: really feel confident that the last story we got is 40 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 4: what happened That he tried to make advances at her 41 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 4: and she didn't go along with it, and he hit 42 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 4: her with a brick and put her body in the water. Yeah, 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,799 Speaker 4: like I think that that's probably what really happened to her. 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 2: She's just so disturbing. I don't like. 45 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: I don't like when there's not a body because that 46 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: just for especially for a parent, that wouldn't bring closure. 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,359 Speaker 4: But I feel like once that last story came out, 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 4: I was like, that seems like that's probably what happened. 49 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 2: Also, what happened to Jimmy Hoffa. There's just so many 50 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:56,360 Speaker 2: Jimmy hoff Okay, what was your favorite childhood meal. 51 00:02:58,480 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 3: Progies? 52 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: I would say pastine or a postine is another anything 53 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: that has that has glued. You know, a lot of 54 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: people think that that's so disgusting. I made it for 55 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 2: Ricky once and he wouldn't eat it. What the pastine? Yeah, 56 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 2: but the way we make it, which is like a 57 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 2: lot of butter, a lot of milk, and a lot 58 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,519 Speaker 2: of salt. My other favorite meal was used to make 59 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 2: me like hamsteak and Kraft mac and cheese, yeah, which 60 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 2: I never ever. That's all you would eat though, Yeah, 61 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: but it was bad. 62 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 4: Like there's disgusting, Like I haven't even made that since 63 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 4: you were a little kid. 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: Honestly, you should because it's a Heavenly Meal. All right, 65 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: I'll cook your dinner next week. It'll take me five minutes. Yeah, 66 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: make it for me for lunch, all right. What's my 67 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 2: favorite Housewives franchise? I'd have to say currently it's Salt 68 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 2: Lake City. I'm also watching New York from the very 69 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: beginning again and it's really hitting. I forgot how amazing 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 2: it was. But I'd say probably overall Beverly Hills, just 71 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: because it's been the only one I've watched every single 72 00:04:03,480 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 2: year live when it comes out. I was very invested 73 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: in it when it first came out, and there's still 74 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: some of my favorite ladies. 75 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: So yeah, I saw a couple episodes of that that 76 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 4: were good, and the New Jersey one. 77 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:20,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, like that one season with the prostitution or that one. 78 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: Nothing well, it's like nothing will ever beat that, so 79 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 4: it's like, why watch it? 80 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 2: Literally, nothing will beat the early seasons of Housewives, when 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 2: reality TV was still kind of a newer concept and 82 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: you know, they weren't like acting as much. It was 83 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 2: just like so wrong and filter women hating each other. Like, 84 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: nothing will beat that time. So now when I'm going 85 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: back up on season two of Real Housewives in New York, 86 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: and it really is, like I forgot how absolutely incredible 87 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: that show is. So I go through phases, but currently 88 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: Salt Lake City just because I like everything going on. 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 2: What's the biggest regret of your life and the thing 90 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:03,520 Speaker 2: you're most proud of. Well, I'll say, like, obviously I'm 91 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: supposed to say that my most my family, which is 92 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be your family, like you can 93 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: well it is. I am. 94 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 4: I mean, I am if I like, if I die, 95 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 4: I want to be like, oh, you know, like I 96 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 4: have a great husband and great kids that are all 97 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 4: doing well, Like that's that's really important to me, you know, 98 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 4: I mean my other The other thing I would say 99 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: is just the fact that I went to school and 100 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 4: got an education and got got a career that I 101 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 4: was that I'm really proud of and that that was 102 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 4: a lot for me because I didn't seem like I 103 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 4: was gonna be doing anything with my life when I 104 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 4: was a teenager. So I think that that's like a 105 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 4: huge accomplishment for me. I know a lot of people 106 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 4: like go to college and it's not that big deal, 107 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 4: but it was like it was a big deal for 108 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 4: me because it was it was really difficult. 109 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I get that. How about you not to be lame, 110 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 2: but I don't really like I definitely have things that 111 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 2: I don't like that I did, but I don't want 112 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: to say regrets because I like where I am right 113 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,159 Speaker 2: now and if I didn't have those things happen to me, 114 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,039 Speaker 2: then I wouldn't be where I am right now. So 115 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 2: not to be I'm not a huge regret. 116 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:14,359 Speaker 4: I actually just thought one seriously, like my biggest regret, 117 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 4: and I'm not. I'm the same way. I'm not a 118 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 4: regret person. But like I regret selling my last car. Well, yeah, 119 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,160 Speaker 4: like I it bothers me and I shouldn't have did it, 120 00:06:24,200 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 4: and like it like. 121 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: I did almost try to run you over. 122 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 4: It did try to run me over, and I probably 123 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: should have just brought it to the dealership and figured 124 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 4: out what the problem was. But like that's what triggered 125 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: me to sell it, because I was like, oh my god, 126 00:06:36,680 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 4: I'm gonna kill myself, Like I went down this rabbit 127 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 4: hole that I shouldn't have, and I regret getting rid 128 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 4: of it. It just was it was a good car, 129 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 4: so which is like stupid. Though it's not like a 130 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 4: huge regret. I'll survive. 131 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'd say, I'm most proud of the fact 132 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 2: that before I was thirty, I bought a house, bought 133 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 2: my dream car, and I'm married and like I have 134 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,119 Speaker 2: a good family and everything like chill, you know, because 135 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: not a lot of people are in that situation. So 136 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm proud of it. I'm proud of how when you're doing, 137 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: you're doing like a career that you that you like 138 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: want to wake up and go to work every day. 139 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: That's like something. Yeah, I'm very really proud of I'm 140 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 2: very proud of the business we've built. Well you started 141 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 2: it before me, but that I finally gave it weeds 142 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: older way into it. I thought that weezl my way 143 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: you begged me to start working for you, Yeah, like 144 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: ten years ago. Welcome to Welcome to the program. All right, Well, 145 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: I am proud of the business we've built and everything, 146 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,080 Speaker 2: and thanks for the podcast listeners, because this is the baby, 147 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 2: my baby of the company. So I feel good about it. 148 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: So if you could live during any time period, which 149 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 2: would you choose and why? 150 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: Probably like, like, my dad was born in forty five 151 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 4: and his childhood and life seem pretty cool. And now 152 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 4: he's like getting older and the crazier things get he's 153 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 4: kind of. 154 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: Like at the tail end of it, and. 155 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 4: That's that's a good place to be maybe born even 156 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 4: maybe when my grandparents were born even earlier, like the 157 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 4: twenties or something like that. Like just things just seemed 158 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 4: a lot cooler back then. 159 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: The music was better. Just life just seemed a little 160 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: bit more chill. I just like it. 161 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 4: I found this old picture of my dad on the 162 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 4: street that he grew up on when he was like 163 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 4: five years old, so it was nineteen fifties, and it 164 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 4: was so cool, like the entire block it was a 165 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 4: block party and there was like hundreds of people out 166 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 4: there posing for this picture on Fourth of July and 167 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 4: just like it's just like life's not like that anymore, 168 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 4: and it's kind of a bummer, you know. 169 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, I kind of agree with you, Like I would 170 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 2: like to be in my twenties in the sixties, so yeah, 171 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: like your age now in that time period, Like yeah, 172 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 2: especially because I'm watching Palm Royal right now, and it's 173 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: like Palm Beach late sixties and it's just esthetically everything 174 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 2: I ever wanted, And I just liked, how cool would 175 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 2: it be to, like, you know, drink a cocktail by 176 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 2: the pool at the beach club and whatever, you know 177 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 2: things and you're sunk in living room. Oh my god, 178 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 2: absolute dream speaking. All right, So speaking of that, the 179 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,560 Speaker 2: next question is do any celebrities have your dream house? 180 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 2: So this is an interesting question. 181 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 4: I just saw that Catmonde's house is for sale, and 182 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 4: I I like the idea of it, but it's a 183 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 4: little too gothy and dark for me. But it is 184 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 4: it is kind of like older Victorian style and decorate 185 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 4: like decorated or at least with even the trim and 186 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 4: the floors and everything a little bit more than what 187 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 4: I would what I would typically like is but you know, 188 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 4: like David Harbor and Lily Al that's yeah, it's so 189 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 4: fucking good. Like I rarely, honestly, like I get annoyed 190 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 4: because I see on Facebook architect Digest, Architectural Digest, and. 191 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, you guys show these boring ass houses. They're 192 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: just so frickin' boring. And it's always like these celebrities 193 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: that are like multimillionaires, and I'm thinking, like, how cool 194 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 2: would that be if they went to regular people's house 195 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 2: like mine and yours and just like showed how we 196 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: decorate with like no money. Like that we do it 197 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 2: all ourselves. 198 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: We don't hire a decorator, Like that's the kind of 199 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 4: shit you want to see, like people that actually have talent, 200 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 4: not like, oh oh, so you had like a couple 201 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 4: million dollars that you gave to someone and let them 202 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 4: decorate your house, which probably happened with Lily Allen and 203 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:31,959 Speaker 4: David Harbor too. 204 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, but did a good job. They hired a really 205 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: good interior designer at their house. Is like, seriously, what 206 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 2: dreams are made of? They they let this is the thing, 207 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: like they probably they like let the the girl or 208 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,079 Speaker 2: guy whoever designed it, like do their thing and didn't 209 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: give them like limitations, I think, and that's why it's 210 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 2: so good. Yeah, and the guy that designed it, like 211 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: they had really specific features they wanted. I actually went 212 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 2: to Barnes and Noble and bought the Architectural Digest in 213 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,719 Speaker 2: print because I wanted to own it to look at 214 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: because I like, just you know, it's probably horror behavior. 215 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: But like I subscribed to Vogue and I like keeping 216 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: all of them and looking back at last year and 217 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 2: seeing what was trending and stuff because I'm a loser. 218 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: But like I bought the Architectural Diet. 219 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 4: It's nice though, when you're sitting on your toilet that 220 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 4: you have some nice reading material. 221 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,600 Speaker 2: I do. But yeah, I like the Architectural Digest print 222 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 2: because I just I think it's really awesome to just 223 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 2: look at it and have it. And you know, because 224 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 2: especially when I'm designing parts of my house, I like 225 00:11:29,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: to go through that. And I have a lot of 226 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 2: books that I get for I like, you know, every 227 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: year for Christmas, people ask me what I want, and 228 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: I just ask for books sometimes because I like to 229 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 2: just have them as reference for when I'm like planning 230 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: what I want to design a room like and everything. 231 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 2: So their house is definitely dreams. I like that, you know, 232 00:11:48,880 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: like old Hollywood style house. I just saw Architectural Digested 233 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: a spread on Paul's Sheer and June Die Diane Rayphael's house, 234 00:11:58,280 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 2: and I really like the architecture of their house, not 235 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: necessarily the interior, but I would say, Lily, did you 236 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: ever see like Jane Mansfield house. Yeah, like stuff like that. 237 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is ridiculous. That Eastwood's house was ridiculous, 238 00:12:12,320 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: so awesome. Oh you know what I forgot. Susanne Summer's 239 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 2: house was in Palm Springs. She sold it a couple 240 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 2: of years ago. That was my absolute dream house. Yeah, 241 00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: that incredible. I don't really see like modern day people though, 242 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 2: that have anything that's cool. 243 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 3: Usually. 244 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: What was cool about her house was it wasn't just 245 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: like one straight up building. It was like four buildings 246 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 2: on a mountainside. So kind of probably inconvenient because you 247 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 2: would have to like walk down the path to go 248 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 2: from like the primary bedroom to the kitchen and call 249 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 2: this stuff. But it was so cool. 250 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: That's cool. 251 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 2: So all right, did either of us have braces or veneers? 252 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 2: I did not. I have veneers. Your teeth are nice, 253 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: No bracest. I have had neither, And I always joked 254 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 2: that my teeth looked like the land before time dinosaur. 255 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 2: What it's just, we're so ridiculous an inside joke Ricket 256 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: I have. We're all sending him the picture of this. 257 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: It's like the baby, the baby like which one? I 258 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 2: don't hold on. I'm not gonna waste everybody's haven, pull 259 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: it up with show you later. Okay, strangest thing you've 260 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:23,199 Speaker 2: ever found in a body or had as a specimen. 261 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: I think. 262 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: What I've told this story before. One time we got 263 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 4: a foreign body, and it actually came down for frozen section, 264 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 4: even though that's not something you would do a frozen 265 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 4: section on obviously because it wasn't even tissue. But the 266 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 4: surgeon like had no idea what it was and wanted 267 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:42,680 Speaker 4: to know what it was right away. So we get 268 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 4: this bag and inside of it is just like this 269 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 4: crumpled up thing with like black like old blood all 270 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 4: over it, just covered and stuff. And they said that 271 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 4: this patient had ingested this like twelve years prior and 272 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 4: it's been like sitting in their stomach, which I just 273 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 4: thought was so outrageous. Yes, and I rinsed it off 274 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 4: and it didn't really get rinsed off. So I was like, 275 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 4: we had this container in the sink in the gross 276 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 4: room that had bleach water in it to clean our tools, 277 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: and I just put it in that bleach water just 278 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 4: to kind of give it a little rinse, and it 279 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 4: just revealed that it was. 280 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: It was like a gift bag that was wrinkled up 281 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 2: in a ball. It was that kind of paper that 282 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: was coated and it had little hearts on it. And 283 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 2: I was like, holy shit, like somebody ate a freaking 284 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: gift bag. Yeah, that's kind of like years before, and 285 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: it just sat in their stomach like that and it 286 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 2: finally started causing problems. Is there any part of an 287 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: autopsy that used to be done that is no longer 288 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: standard practice. I'm sure. 289 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 4: Well, there's different things with the tools and stuff, because obviously, 290 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: like when they started doing autopsies, they didn't have electricity 291 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 4: and stuff, so there was manual bone saws, which are 292 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 4: a total bitch to use, and now we have like 293 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 4: an oscillating bone saw and things like that. So definitely 294 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 4: with the tools as far as the procedure goes, Like 295 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 4: I think that's what's one of the coolest things about 296 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 4: autopsy is that it hasn't it hasn't changed much as 297 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 4: far as like how we do it and what we examine, 298 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: except now like there's more tests that we could do 299 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 4: DNA and molecular tests and things like that that obviously 300 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: weren't available back in the day. But just anatomically a 301 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 4: person has like really never changed in hundreds and thousands 302 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 4: of years, and what you're looking for is is the same. 303 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 4: So and that's all varies depending on where you work 304 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 4: and what you personal preferences and things like that, but 305 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 4: I think for the most part, it's like it just 306 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: depends where you work is because like when I was 307 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: in school, we used to do a test on a 308 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 4: heart tissue to be able to tell if the person 309 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 4: had a heart attack if it was something that we 310 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 4: couldn't see. But then when I went to work at 311 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 4: my job after school, the pathologist that I worked with 312 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 4: was like, I don't really like that stuff. I don't 313 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 4: think it works that great. So some places like swear 314 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 4: by things, other places don't swear by things, and you 315 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 4: kind of do like personal preference stuff. 316 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: Do human ashes glow under black light? I have no 317 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: idea that's something that you should ask, like carry the 318 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: mortician maybe, like I don't. 319 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 4: I actually, well, my mother in law's in a box upstairs. 320 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: I don't have a black light to check. But like 321 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: I don't like at my job, I've never had access 322 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 4: to human ashes. 323 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 2: Something you can't live without. For me, chapstick, I've never 324 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 2: used chapstick once. It's so weird. I have a chapstick. Strategically. 325 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 2: I have one in my purse, my end table, my kitchen, 326 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,359 Speaker 2: my living room, and my car. They're just planted everywhere. 327 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 2: That might be some kind of like a do you 328 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 2: like eat it? 329 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: Off your lips. 330 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't eat it. I just put it on. 331 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: My lips are dry. My lips hurt real bad. I 332 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 2: love them, so do I. I just said it to 333 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: Lilian like yes, or she's like, my lips have been 334 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: hurting so bad and then so and they are they're 335 00:17:09,840 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: really red right, So I'm like, okay. Five minutes later, 336 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 2: she says, I figured out something. If I use blah 337 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:20,359 Speaker 2: blah blah lip scrub and I put it on my 338 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: lips and I do it really really, really hard, my 339 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 2: lips turn red so it looks like I'm wearing lipstick 340 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 2: when I'm not. And I'm like, do you think that's 341 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 2: why your freaking lips hurt? I don't know. It's hilarious. 342 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 2: Your children and their activities is a weird Jesus Christ. Anyway, 343 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 2: what were we talking about? Something you can't live without? Oh? 344 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,359 Speaker 2: My electric my electric blanket. Oh, that's a close I 345 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 2: chap stakes definitely about everyone, But I'd say about heating 346 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 2: pads coming up close behind it, like I have, like 347 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 2: I need to have something like that, Like I'll bring 348 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 2: a heating pad with me on a trip and pack 349 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: it because I need I need that to go to 350 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 2: bed because my feet are so cold, Like I won't 351 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 2: sleep well at all if I can't have some kind 352 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 2: of like artificial heat, even if like we're in the 353 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 2: desert and it's freaking freezing out like I need it, 354 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 2: or it's like really hot, I just like get cold 355 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,120 Speaker 2: at night and I need it, Like, but the air 356 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 2: condition is the worst. Okay, dream guest for podcast nance obviously. Uh, 357 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 2: there's like a lot of there's a lot of people 358 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 2: like Joseph Scott Morgan. 359 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,560 Speaker 3: I'd love to talk to him, just. 360 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 4: Because he used to do autopsies to an investigation, so 361 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 4: we could have a lot to talk about. I mean, 362 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 4: like how high level are we talking about here, like 363 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 4: Brian Coober, Like, I'll talk to any I'll talk to 364 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 4: anybody really. Yeah, I just want to talk to anybody 365 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 4: and anybody else talk to me. 366 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 2: I'll talk to him. Yeah, I'd say Nancy for sure, 367 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: Chris Hansen. Maybe I'd like to have Jenna Lyons to 368 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 2: talk about her rare disorder. 369 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love her. 370 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: I love her. 371 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: I mean I just would like to talk to it. 372 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 4: I would just like to talk to anybody that's like 373 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,719 Speaker 4: even if it's people that are controversial, just because I 374 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 4: want to hear what they have to say and ask 375 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 4: them questions. You know, if you love this podcast, you 376 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 4: are going to love the Grosser Room. There are thousands 377 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 4: of videos, posts, photos of all different things that have 378 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 4: to do with pathology. Plus there is no censorship, so 379 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 4: we could talk about anything that we want to without 380 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 4: having to have the limitations with social media. You can 381 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 4: join now for only five ninety nine a month, and 382 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 4: this gives you access to all of the posts going 383 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 4: back to twenty and nineteen. Join the Grossroom dot com today. 384 00:19:55,080 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: Okay, is it true that pacemakers explode in the crematorium? Again? 385 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: I don't cremate people, so I don't know that's this 386 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 4: has come up before. 387 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like I asked, didn't I ask? Carrie? 388 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 2: I thought, so everybody should go back and listen. You know, 389 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 2: we talk about so much stuff a week. It's so 390 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 2: hard to keep track of things sometimes. But go back 391 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: to the carry episode, the external exam we did in February, 392 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: because I feel like that will answer a lot of 393 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: these questions. 394 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, because even yesterday when I brought Libert to her 395 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 4: doctor's appointment, the lady there, because because of my email address, was. 396 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: Like oh, do you do that for a living? Yeah? 397 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 4: And I said yeah, and she goes, oh, I wanted. 398 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,199 Speaker 4: I wanted to do that too. I really should have 399 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: been a mortician. And I'm like, no, that's like it's 400 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 4: just very hard just because I work with dead bodies. 401 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 2: I don't do more. I'm not a mortician. 402 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 3: Like, I don't. 403 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: I don't know any of the questions. Yeah, like everybody 404 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: like I send a body to the funeral home and 405 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: like that's the last I see of it. I don't. 406 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,720 Speaker 2: I don't know. Every time people bring you up, they'll 407 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 2: be like, your mom's a more tish and write and 408 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, you're a medical exam I'm like, well, not 409 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 2: technically either. She works in the death fields, like explaining 410 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,159 Speaker 2: what a PA is to other people. Then they just 411 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 2: start glazing over and I'm like, why did you even ask? Okay, 412 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 2: would you ever be an expert on a TV show 413 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 2: or a documentary? I would if it was something that 414 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,560 Speaker 2: was that I felt like I was an expert in. Certainly, 415 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't do it for like forensics, because I don't 416 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 2: I have training in forensics, but I don't do forensics. 417 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, if it was something that had to do 418 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 2: with with the natural pathology autopsy. I definitely feel confident 419 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 2: doing that. What's my favorite my chemical romance song? Thank 420 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 2: you to whoever asked this question. It is the Desert Song, 421 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:50,680 Speaker 2: which was a bonus track on the Life on the 422 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 2: Murder Scene documentary CD. So I really love that. And 423 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 2: as I'm mature, I realized that their first album, I 424 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: realized they saw no is that what happened? Growing up? 425 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: Means that I brought you my bullets? You brought me 426 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 2: Your love is better than three cheers for sweet revenge. 427 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 2: So I'll leave it there. Those who know will know. 428 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 2: Is there an alternative way into this line of work? 429 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: Like could you like intern your what I do? Yeah? No, 430 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 2: not anymore so. Before you used to be able to 431 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 2: do on the job trains, which means you would need 432 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 2: to have a bachelor's degree and then you were able 433 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 2: to train underneath a pathologist or another PA for X 434 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:39,040 Speaker 2: amount of time a long time. Actually, then you would 435 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: be eligible to take the PA certification exam and then 436 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: you could be a PA. But that stopped, I think 437 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 2: it was in two thousand and seven. Maybe that you 438 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 2: can't do that anymore. So now the only way to 439 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 2: be eligible to take the PA exam is to go 440 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: through an accredited PA program and most of them, if 441 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 2: not all of them, at this point in her master's 442 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: degree programs throughout the country. So you have to go 443 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 2: to one of those programs that are accredited, graduate from 444 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: one of those programs, and then take the certification exam 445 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: for a pathologist assistant. It's the only way to do it. Now, 446 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,879 Speaker 2: do you have any educational advice for people wanting to 447 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: work in forensics? Well, actually, your crime con lecture is 448 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,880 Speaker 2: a really good place to see this specific question. Yeah, 449 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: I go through that. 450 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 4: I go through really a little bit of an introduction 451 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,920 Speaker 4: into the field and like all of the different education 452 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 4: levels that you need. But a couple good interviews for 453 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 4: you to listen to actually is the one with Antoinette 454 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 4: because she runs Women in Forensics and she was she 455 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 4: was really talking about that like the different I believe 456 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 4: that she has a bachelor's degree, and that's a common 457 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: theme that's come up that that all of these people, 458 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 4: the crime scene investigator that we full crime scene investigators 459 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 4: that we've interviewed also seem to have bachelor's degrees and 460 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 4: then went into forensics with that education. 461 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: So to me, as. 462 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 4: Far as like talking to these few people I've talked to. 463 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 4: The money is to get the bachelor's degree, and there's 464 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 4: programs around the country right now where you can get 465 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 4: bachelor's and master's degrees in forensics. That's like specific for that. Well, 466 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,439 Speaker 4: doctor Bird works at University of Florida, right they have 467 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 4: like a huge forensic program there. 468 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: I mean, this question is kind of like the whole 469 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: reason we do external exams, so it gives everybody kind 470 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: of insight into these really unique paths within this industry. 471 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,360 Speaker 4: So yeah, like make sure you're listening to those, because 472 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 4: I don't know if if you guys have noticed a 473 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,640 Speaker 4: theme when I when I'm interviewing people, but I always 474 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 4: ask them like how they got started, how they what 475 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:54,199 Speaker 4: did they go to school for? Because I know that 476 00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 4: so many people that I know go to college and 477 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,880 Speaker 4: get a bachelor's degree in biology and they're like, Oh, 478 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 4: I can't get a job, so I'm gonna go just 479 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: work at Starbucks or something. And it's like I'm trying 480 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 4: to help people like figure that out. And I don't 481 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,679 Speaker 4: work in forensics obviously, so but I work in the 482 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:14,199 Speaker 4: field enough that I and talk to the right people. 483 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 4: So that's the thing. When you don't know something, you 484 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 4: ask people that do know something. And yeah, like just 485 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 4: so the one with Antoinette, the one with doctor Bird, 486 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,680 Speaker 4: the one with Cheryl mccollin. I'm just trying to think 487 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 4: of other people that we interviewed that are kind of 488 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 4: all in forensics and also doing like Ala Barrows. Yeah, 489 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 4: and I think I was asking her too, So there's 490 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 4: just like a lot of people. So it's really interesting, 491 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:39,239 Speaker 4: all right. 492 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: The next couple ones are about tattoos. You've talked about 493 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 2: regretting your tattoos before, and why is that? I because, like. 494 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 4: There's a lot of different reasons. It's because I'm getting older, 495 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 4: they're fading, my skin's getting saggier, like they most I 496 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: really mostly regret because they get uncomfortable sometimes, especially when 497 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: I'm exposed to the sun, I get this like really 498 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: bad itch throughout all of them. 499 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 2: They get really. 500 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,439 Speaker 4: Inflamed and it's physically uncomfortable. There's no like pill I 501 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 4: could take to make that go away. Just just in general, 502 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,360 Speaker 4: Like my leg tattoo is not done, it looks like shit. 503 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: I just might want to wear shorts one day. I 504 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 2: can't do that. I don't want to finish it. I 505 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 2: have no interest in getting tattooed again, like stuff like that. 506 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: All right, what are both of our favorite tattoos? Mine's 507 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 2: my friend Dresher portrait by my friend Rachel Shelley. It's 508 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 2: like my favorite thing. 509 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 4: Ever, I don't know if I have I like, I mean, 510 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 4: I love the ones that I have matching with Gabe, 511 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 4: and of course the ones I have of the kids. 512 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: I have yours I got a long time ago, and 513 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 4: then one for the girls. I think when I first 514 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,080 Speaker 4: started getting tattooed, i'd just like get things that I 515 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 4: liked that didn't really mean anything to me, Like I 516 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 4: just oh, I love butterflies. 517 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 3: I just got them. 518 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,120 Speaker 4: And I have a bunch of tattoos like that from 519 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 4: when I was a teenager, and then as I started 520 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,200 Speaker 4: getting older, I started getting once that like had more 521 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 4: meeting behind them. But yeah, I don't, I don't know. 522 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 4: I don't really think about it too much. 523 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 2: Is there a tattoo you're looking to get in the future. No, 524 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 2: I really want Princess Diana's portrait or peg Bundy because 525 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,120 Speaker 2: I have Dolly Parton and Friend Dresher on my one leg. 526 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: So just complete it with women with big hair, why not? 527 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't Gabe. Gabe was saying that he made 528 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 4: us a tattoo appointment for for some guy in California. 529 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 4: I don't even know who it was, and I'm just like, 530 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 4: I just don't feel like it. 531 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: I just don't you know what else I want? I 532 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 2: want the Phillies helmet ice cream. I saw somebody did 533 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 2: one and it was really cute. 534 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I just don't care anymore. 535 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: Well, that's my favorite snack in the world. So all right, Uh, 536 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 2: do you have a favorite fiction book? Not to be 537 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 2: a basic literary bitch, but probably prad and Prejudice. But 538 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 2: my favorite book ever is called Swimming by Joanna Hershawan 539 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: And I read that in my senior year of high 540 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: school and it's still one of my favorites. It's such 541 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 2: a good book. I'm not a. 542 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,160 Speaker 4: Huge fiction person, even when it comes to like watching 543 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 4: movies and stuff. 544 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 2: I just don't really love fiction. Then I got, I mean, 545 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 2: but then I got really into Stranger Things because the 546 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 2: kids were into it. 547 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I don't know, I just like I don't 548 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 4: see the point of Like, I like so many things 549 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 4: that are that really happen. 550 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: I like fun, so I don't like fun and to 551 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: those who don't care. I did finish my thirty book 552 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 2: Goodread's goal for the year, even though it's only aprils. 553 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:53,000 Speaker 2: So what's your input on forensic radiology. I think that 554 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,320 Speaker 2: it's it's definitely helpful in cases, especially if someone's stabbed 555 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 2: and you you just want to make sure that there's 556 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 2: not like a knife tip floating around in there, or 557 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 2: for ballistics or anything like that. Like it's to look 558 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: for fractures and trauma cases. Yeah, what's a case like 559 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: that would be used? I didn't even know this was 560 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 2: a thing. Oh, it's used all the time. They'll X 561 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 2: ray a body before they even start the autopsy. Oh, 562 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 2: that's interesting. 563 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 4: I feel like I wrote about this once when when 564 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 4: I was showing a case that that someone got stabbed 565 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 4: and then when they did the imaging. 566 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 2: They found the knife tip. 567 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 4: Because think about that, Like for me, like doing an 568 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 4: autopsy and going into a body there, we have to 569 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 4: know that there's not something that could cut us when 570 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 4: we go inside. And it's that's why it's better to 571 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 4: sometimes use the bone saw to cut the. 572 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: Sides of the ribs. 573 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 3: Especially. 574 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: They used to encourage us to do that in cases 575 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 4: with patients that had like highly infectious diseases like hepatitis 576 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 4: C or HIV. Because when you use the bone saw, 577 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 4: when you cut the ribs, it's a very smooth cut, 578 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: whereas if you use the brand cutters, it makes it 579 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 4: more jagged. And when you stick your arms inside the 580 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 4: body and you're doing things like you could cut yourself 581 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 4: on one of the ribs, cut your arm or your hand. 582 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 4: So it's the same thing. When if a person gets stabbed, 583 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,400 Speaker 4: you want to make sure that a piece of the 584 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 4: knife didn't break off inside of the body, because that 585 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 4: would be horrible if you were in there, and because 586 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 4: that would go through our gloves, you know what I mean. 587 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: El, Yeah, you were wearing. 588 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,239 Speaker 4: Real like I wear like really thick cut gloves when 589 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 4: I do an autopsy. But it's still you could still 590 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 4: get punctured through it, all right. 591 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 2: Somebody asked me how my married life was, and it's 592 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 2: exactly the same, except I have a different last name. 593 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 2: It's literally no different. I just have the same last 594 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 2: name as my husband and everybody could print out to 595 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 2: which is nice because nobody can pronounce well our maiden name, 596 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: that was your maiden name too. Now everybody could say Caine, 597 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 2: So that's that on that So yeah, but then it's 598 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: kind of what, as our kids say, Caine is lame. 599 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think there's so many worse last 600 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: names you could get. And I like it because it's 601 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 2: like neutral and whatever. It's not as unique as our 602 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: maiden name was. 603 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 4: But and I think I think that that does it 604 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 4: is annoying because like if somebody says, oh, what's your 605 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 4: last name? And I'll say aunt Jemmy and they spell 606 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 4: it wrong fifty times and they don't pronounce it right 607 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: and stuff, and sometimes like if you're just at the bank, 608 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 4: you just want to like you just want it to 609 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 4: be quick, you know what I mean. And I've never 610 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 4: had that because my last name now and my last 611 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 4: name before is a little bit like more Italian and 612 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 4: harder to pronounce. 613 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,160 Speaker 2: I guess well, I'm living the luxury life with the 614 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 2: four letter last name that everybody could say, all right, 615 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: our last question what did you want to do with 616 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 2: your life when you were a little kid? So I 617 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 2: honestly like, I don't know. I don't that's maybe something 618 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,280 Speaker 2: that you could ask my mom. I don't. I don't 619 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 2: feel like I ever really thought about it. 620 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 3: I don't know. 621 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: I wanted to be Anni Leebuwit's like really bad. And 622 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 2: then I got a fashion internship that was real eye 623 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 2: opening mostly yeah you yeah, Maria was like Maria really 624 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,760 Speaker 2: wanted to work in fashion. So Maria did really well 625 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: in school, like honors classes in high school, and she 626 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 2: did so good in like chemistry and math and everything. 627 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 2: So there was a time that we were like, Okay, 628 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 2: you're going to go to like a really good school 629 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 2: and become a pharmacist because you're like that smart and 630 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 2: I like chemistry a lot. And then we went to 631 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 2: visit the school. We just said we were going to 632 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 2: visit a bunch of colleges, so we went there. And 633 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 2: then I feel like when we went to the Art school, 634 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 2: which was heart like a horrible school, but when we 635 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,360 Speaker 2: went there, Maria just like seemed like she wanted to 636 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 2: do that more. And I was like, I'm not going 637 00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,719 Speaker 2: to be the kind of mom that's like pressuring to 638 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 2: do for you to do something that you don't seem 639 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: as excited about again. And then I said to her, 640 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 2: I said, go to the art school for four years, 641 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,960 Speaker 2: and if you don't get a job and you don't 642 00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,280 Speaker 2: do anything, you could always go back to school for pharmacy, 643 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 2: like you'll still be under thirty years old. Well, yeah, 644 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: so sometimes I reflect because of my increasing love of 645 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,920 Speaker 2: DNA and science and everything. Like sometimes, if you want 646 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: to talk about regrets, I regret maybe not pursuing a 647 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 2: career in science. Like I knew I could never do 648 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 2: what you did, per se, because you know, blood and 649 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 2: everything makes me want to pass out. And I think 650 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 2: that's ultimately why I decided not to go to school 651 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 2: for pharmacy, because they were like, you have to like 652 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: give people needles and all this stuff, and I have 653 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 2: a really bad problem with that. So and there was 654 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 2: just what would you do if you had. 655 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 4: To like take vitreous fluid out of a dead person's 656 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 4: eyeball with a syringe? No, I couldn't be completely well 657 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 4: exactly like that's no, that's the thing, like you have 658 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 4: to do I could. I couldn't, Like that's that's the thing. 659 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 4: Like all I want is to work with the chemistry 660 00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 4: of making pills and stuff, like I have no interest 661 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 4: in dealing with bodily fluids at all. 662 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:00,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you I mean, but part. 663 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 4: Of the thing is to do that exactly, Like I 664 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 4: know somebody that works at CBS and like she's straight up, 665 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 4: she's a pharmacist at CBS, and she's like has to 666 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 4: give people vaccines and shit all the time, Like no 667 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,120 Speaker 4: way through the drive through window when someone's in a 668 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 4: moving vehicle. Yeah, Like I don't want to do that 669 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 4: at all. And it was a blessing in disguise because 670 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 4: I would have graduated in May of twenty nineteen, and 671 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 4: then we all know what happens one year later, So 672 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 4: it would have been a working pharmacist for one year 673 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 4: before this pandemic hit. Not to mention, I didn't even 674 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 4: consider the opioid crisis when I was looking into that, 675 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 4: and that is some of I hear pharmacists or just 676 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 4: like it is horrible working with people trying to get 677 00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 4: this shit. 678 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 2: Yeah they had I just saw a CBS yesterday. 679 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 4: There was like a sign saying that it was like 680 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 4: locked up under some kind of timer thing or something. 681 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 4: This in a safe Yeah, so they must have issues 682 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 4: with that. 683 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,319 Speaker 2: Well sometimes you know, this is this is why I 684 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 2: also it's important for me for this podcast to take 685 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: angle of like explaining to people these niche jobs they 686 00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 2: could do, because maybe if this was you know, twelve 687 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,720 Speaker 2: years ago, and I was looking into what I wanted 688 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 2: to do with my future, and I knew there was 689 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: more niche things I could do within the field that 690 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,480 Speaker 2: were more along my interest. But also I didn't have 691 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 2: to directly deal with the people and bodily fluids. I 692 00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 2: could have gone down one of those paths. So I 693 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 2: think that's really important why we interview all these people 694 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 2: so everybody knows there's these like other jobs you can 695 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 2: do within the field. Yeah. 696 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,479 Speaker 4: I think that that's important too, because you you even 697 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 4: said to me recently within the past couple of years, 698 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 4: like I think I. 699 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 2: Would really be into doing DNA for a career. But 700 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,840 Speaker 2: it's like, how would you even have you know that 701 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: because of all the stories we write and everything you 702 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: look into, but you wouldn't have really known that before. Again, 703 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: going back to the dream guest question, one of my 704 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 2: dream guests for this podcast is Detective Paul Hols because 705 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 2: he had a very heavy hand in the Golden State 706 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 2: killer case, and that is what totally changed my mind 707 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 2: on DNA, made me so fascinated with it that they 708 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:08,520 Speaker 2: caught this guy decades later by using DNA, and I 709 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 2: we have to talk to him at crime con I'm 710 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 2: putting it out there. We have to talk to him. 711 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 2: He is such an important person in my interest of 712 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 2: all of this stuff and why I've done my research. 713 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 4: He is like a like groundbreaking just this is like 714 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 4: a whole different ballgame, yeah kind of thing. And it's 715 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 4: it's like that case just kind of opened the door 716 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 4: for cold cases. 717 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,760 Speaker 3: It's just it's so awesome. 718 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I don't regret, Like, you know, I didn't 719 00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,680 Speaker 2: like my school. At the end of the day, I 720 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,280 Speaker 2: have a bachelor's degree, I have a college degree. It's fine. Honestly, 721 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff I do for our business 722 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:50,920 Speaker 2: I couldn't do if I didn't go to Collegeah, that's 723 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 2: what I was gonna say, Like a lot of and 724 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,760 Speaker 2: and like Adam, our friend that went to the same school, 725 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 2: he's like super successful now, but also didn't go to 726 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 2: that school for that reason, but like he wouldn't have 727 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,479 Speaker 2: got where he is because of that. And the same 728 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,600 Speaker 2: with other Maria too. Yeah, exactly she went there and 729 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 2: she's so it's like sometimes that stepping stone takes you 730 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:14,680 Speaker 2: to another place. Yeah, And like the thing is is 731 00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 2: my first and you could always go to school for DNA, 732 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:19,800 Speaker 2: Like when you get older if you want or you 733 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 2: or even now like exactly no one stopping you. And 734 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 2: you know I wanted to be a fash photographer since 735 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 2: that was the time I was like eleven years old 736 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 2: until I got my fateful internship in New York City. 737 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 2: You know, the thing is is like, not only do 738 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 2: you realize that the doublewaars Prada is like an incredibly 739 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 2: accurate movie environmentally in that space, but I you know, 740 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,520 Speaker 2: I could have continued to intern there and possibly get 741 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:48,080 Speaker 2: a full time job that I lined up with my graduation, 742 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 2: But I also didn't want to make twenty eight thousand 743 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 2: dollars a year to work in an industry like that. 744 00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:57,279 Speaker 2: So well, you you weren't born into a situation like 745 00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,920 Speaker 2: that that any Like I didn't have enough money to 746 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 2: pay for your rent. Yeah, like a lot of girls 747 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 2: get just interned with where you know, daughters of high 748 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 2: up executives and their parents pay for them to have 749 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,520 Speaker 2: an apartment cars. That was my boss. She had a 750 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,319 Speaker 2: job there. No, I'm not saying that to shit on 751 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 2: those people. It's awesome that they had those resources, but 752 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 2: it just wasn't my particular situation, So it's why it 753 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,799 Speaker 2: didn't work. Out and I really liked my internship, and 754 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 2: I liked everybody I worked with, but I realized, like 755 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 2: it was just the way I wanted to live. My 756 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 2: life wasn't going down that path. So I appreciate everything 757 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,840 Speaker 2: everybody did for me. I really thank my mentor Stephanie. 758 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 2: She was like the coolest chick ever, and I still 759 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 2: watch her journey in fashion and I'm jealous she gets 760 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: to go to fashion Week. But yeah, it was. It 761 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 2: was a good experience overall. But life just takes you 762 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:50,840 Speaker 2: in different ways. And now I work for you, and 763 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,479 Speaker 2: I technically have my dream job that I didn't even 764 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: know I wanted, so it all works. 765 00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 3: You should have listened to me years ago. 766 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,600 Speaker 2: Whatever it worked out when it was supposed to work out. 767 00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 2: So now you get to be blessed with my presence 768 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 2: every single day. Yes, how fun having your adult child 769 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 2: move out only to be around them more than ever. 770 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 4: Olyah, Yeah, exactly, you're here more now than you were 771 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,000 Speaker 4: like for the past five years when you were a teenage. 772 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 2: That's when I said to Rocky, I said, I literally 773 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,880 Speaker 2: spend more time in that house now than when I 774 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 2: was living there in college and working. So it's funny Okay, well, 775 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,279 Speaker 2: thank you guys so much. It was fun answering all 776 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 2: your questions. We'll try to do one of these like 777 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 2: every couple months, just quarterly, quarterly, but it's been I 778 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 2: think it's been six months. We did the last one 779 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,600 Speaker 2: right after Christmas, so it's been quite a while. 780 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:39,759 Speaker 3: But oh wow. 781 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:41,719 Speaker 2: We'll try to fit them in here and there, just 782 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 2: to take a little break. I know a lot of 783 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 2: the topics we cover can be heavy, but we will 784 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,240 Speaker 2: see you guys next week with some more news stories. 785 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:56,879 Speaker 2: Say uh thank you for listening to mother nos Death. 786 00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:01,360 Speaker 2: As a reminder, my training is as a pathologists assistant. 787 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 2: I have a master's level education and specialize in anatomy 788 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 2: and pathology education. I am not a doctor and I 789 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 2: have not diagnosed or treated anyone dead or alive without 790 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,480 Speaker 2: the assistance of a licensed medical doctor. This show, my website, 791 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: and social media accounts are designed to educate and inform 792 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 2: people based on my experience working in pathology, so they 793 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 2: can make healthier decisions regarding their life and well being. 794 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 2: Always remember that science is changing every day and the 795 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 2: opinions expressed in this episode are based on my knowledge 796 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,680 Speaker 2: of those subjects at the time of publication. If you 797 00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 2: are having a medical problem, have a medical question, or 798 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 2: having a medical emergency, please contact your physician or visit 799 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 2: an urgent care center, emergency room, or hospital. Please rate, review, 800 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:58,920 Speaker 2: and subscribe to Mother Knows Death on Apple, Spotify, YouTube, 801 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 2: or anywhere you get podcast. Thanks