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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Did a Hollywood brat keep

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Speaker 1: his dismembered wife a secret from all of his friends?

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Speaker 1: And did he have an Asian fetish? Their words, not mine.

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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 2: Sam Askell is an aspiring filmmaker and son of renowned

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Speaker 2: Hollywood executive. Maylee is a former model and student at

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Speaker 2: California State. The pair fine love and within a couple

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Speaker 2: but things go awry when May suddenly goes missing.

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Speaker 1: May is not missing. May is dead. Her torso, her

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Speaker 1: headless torso found in a dumpster by a dumpster diver.

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Speaker 1: She's not missing. That beautiful young mom of three was

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Speaker 1: brutally murdered and dismembered, and based on what we are learning,

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Speaker 1: she may have been dismembered while still alive. Let that

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Speaker 1: sink in. We're learning a lot about the so called

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Speaker 1: Hollywood bratt. I'm always a little suspicious when someone is

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Speaker 1: telling me how important their dad is. Straight out to

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Speaker 1: Gigi McKelvey, joining us host of Pretty Lies and alibis Gigi.

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Speaker 1: Who is Haskell's dad? Excuse me, the fourth Haskeled the fourth?

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Speaker 1: Who is Haskelled the Fourth's father.

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Speaker 3: His dad is a former Hollywood executive that was very successful,

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Speaker 3: and it seems like his son followed in his footsteps

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Speaker 3: wanting to be in the business. And he comes from

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Speaker 3: a very prominent and well to do family.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say a big agent, his dad, Sam Haskell.

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Speaker 1: The third Emmy Award winning producer represents was that William Morris,

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Speaker 1: George Clooney. Can you get any bigger than that? Dolly Parton.

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Speaker 1: There's so many that I can't even name them all,

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Speaker 1: but I'm always a little suspicious. To Nima Romani, former

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Speaker 1: federal prosecutor turned trial lawyer, author of Harvard de hashtag Nima,

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Speaker 1: we have put a lot of people on the stand,

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Speaker 1: and the jury, of course, is the sole judge. It's

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Speaker 1: their province alone to judge credibility. They're the trier of

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Speaker 1: the facts and the law. But when you introduced someone,

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Speaker 1: you go, yeah, this is Sam Haskell, the fourth. His

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Speaker 1: father's a really big deal. They're multi millionaire's blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: What does that mean about him?

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Speaker 4: All means he was a baby born on third Base, Nancy,

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Speaker 4: So he probably never had to work hard for anything

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Speaker 4: in his entire life because his dad was a very

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Speaker 4: Miss America pageant, I believe obviously talked about some of

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Speaker 4: the dad's clients. So this isn't someone that had to

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Speaker 4: work hard for anything that he achieved. And maybe that's

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Speaker 4: part and parcel of the problem here.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we're seeing this guy right now and I haven't

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Speaker 1: even gotten to the dismembered body. Okay, this is a

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Speaker 1: married father of three little boys. Not judging, but he

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Speaker 1: didn't work a lick in the sense that his wife

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Speaker 1: may paid the mortgage, she paid for everything. What is

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Speaker 1: it that's so irritating me. Maybe he's charged with murder

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Speaker 1: and ismemboring his wife, but he's really hitting me hard

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Speaker 1: with the kim k selfies. Here, let's listen from the

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Speaker 5: I went to a tech conference real quick, you guys,

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Speaker 5: was consistency, Like, be consistent. Now, I'm consistently never gonna

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Speaker 1: Okay, be consistent. I'm never going to stop drinking. Here

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Speaker 1: is a grown man with three children. I mistakenly went

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Speaker 1: to a tech conference. Why isn't he out working? Okay,

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Speaker 6: So Epic's like an epic vampire move, like pull up

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Speaker 6: an escalade outside Paul Wesley's crib. Kids are like, Dad,

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Speaker 6: where's mom going? What's mom doing? She's like, Oh, she's

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Speaker 6: gonna go chill with Brad. She's gonna go chill with

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Speaker 1: She's not chilling with anybody. She was dismembered. We don't

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Speaker 1: moved from another country to come and help Mace. She

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Speaker 1: We don't even know where their bodies are. Now that's

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Speaker 1: from Sam Haskell's very own official social media pages. Let's

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Speaker 1: You know what, I would have to call my husband's

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Speaker 1: series of flukes led us to May his wife's body,

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Speaker 1: we would never have found her, Torso, and we would

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Speaker 1: never have known what happened to May? What about her

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Speaker 1: to figure out if mommy was dismembered while she was

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Speaker 1: still alive. Now, I've tried to argue this to jury's

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Speaker 1: many many times that sometimes it's hard to reconcile what

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Speaker 1: you're seeing. Here's a good example, Scott Peterson right. I

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Speaker 1: Many people, not me, but many people thought he was

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Speaker 1: good looking. He's got a college degree, a great job,

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Speaker 1: tricking the mind. Let's watch Haskell the fourth again.

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Speaker 7: Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums

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Speaker 7: for just like completely burning out of my filet, Like,

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Speaker 7: what kind of a monster are you? Homie?

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Speaker 1: The entitlement Nima Ramani, I mean the entitlement of complaining

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Speaker 1: that was probably a fifty dollars steak. Please please play

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Speaker 7: Shouts out to the waiter at the restaurant above Norstrums

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Speaker 7: for just like completely burning the sh out of my filet,

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Speaker 7: like what kind of a monster are you.

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Speaker 1: Homian what an entitled little snot That is from Sam

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Speaker 1: Haskell's very own official social media page, Nima, remember what

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Speaker 4: Explain, Netho Baby is someone who rides their parents' coattails.

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Speaker 4: And when I said, this guy hasn't worked a day

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Speaker 4: how the lawyer's tasked with defending him are going to

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Speaker 4: look at his own words. He is absolutely vile, disgusting

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Speaker 4: is going to be a quick conviction. Nancy.

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Speaker 1: Back to what we know of the facts.

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Speaker 8: Listen, the headless torso of a female was found in

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Speaker 8: after six am on November eight, twenty twenty three. The

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Speaker 8: torso was identified following month as thirty seven year old

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Speaker 8: has been released According to the autopsy report, her cause

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Speaker 8: of death has been deferred, but given the circumstances of

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Speaker 8: the case, which includes the deliberate concealment of the body

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Speaker 8: by dismemberment and disposal, the manner of death is homicidal violent.

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Speaker 1: At How on God's green Earth do they know that?

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Speaker 1: It's Tremaine Heyho joining us out of la longtime frim

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Speaker 1: Sam Haskell the Fourth, actor, director, producer, writer, and you

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Speaker 1: ho E Studios. Tremaine, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: Curious what was your reaction and when you learned Sam

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Speaker 1: Haskell the Fourth I referred to him as the Fourth

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Speaker 1: is under suspicion for triple murder, specifically the murder and

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Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me here, Nancy.

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Speaker 10: But it was horrific. I mean, when I heard about it,

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Speaker 10: it was shock. It was it was someone that I

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Speaker 9: And this is.

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Speaker 10: Someone who at a period of time I was very

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Speaker 9: The impression of of him.

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Speaker 10: He when I worked with him, I was ac, I

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Speaker 10: was assistant camera on a lot of his shoots. He

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Speaker 10: owned a red Epic Dragon and yes he had a

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Speaker 1: Two hundred thousand dollars piece of camera equipment.

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Speaker 1: And he was able to Yeah under who bought that

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Speaker 9: Is why?

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Speaker 10: I can attest that he made good money once with

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Speaker 1: You know what, Tremaine Haho, I like you, I know

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Speaker 1: your na charge with murder here, but just poured gas

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Speaker 1: on the flame for me. You're saying he made good

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Speaker 1: But you're telling me he made good money, then why

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Speaker 10: I can't attest how it went after, so this might

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Speaker 9: Me and him had a falling out around twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 10: So he kind of had a reputation of kind of

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Speaker 9: I forget what it was.

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Speaker 10: It was something trivial over a film shoot, film project

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Speaker 9: It wasn't that huge of a thing. And he just

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Speaker 10: And I have relatives that have mental illness that I

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Speaker 1: But wait a minute, you're telling me, Trevine Highead, before

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Speaker 11: You got to act.

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Speaker 1: time former friend of Haskell on the Fourth writer, director,

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Speaker 1: producer at hay Host Studios, at YouTube, Tremaine, it's not

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Speaker 1: just murder, And I really want you to dig deep

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Speaker 1: and tell me your impressions of Haskell contemporaneous with the

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Speaker 1: time that you need him, not now, because what you

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Speaker 1: saw then is what he's going to try and imitate

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Speaker 1: at trial.

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Speaker 9: I don't.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, if he's a lot can happen in eight years

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Speaker 10: and if he is guilty as sin, lock him up

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Speaker 10: and throw away the keep. But it is all again,

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Speaker 10: it's all Ad is such a terrible situation. I feel

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Speaker 10: bad for his folks who let me clear the air.

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Speaker 10: His folks were really nice, sweet, consistently, so.

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Speaker 1: I feel bad asking about him as a person. What

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Speaker 1: did he project? What kind of a person? I mean,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about body parts in a trash bag day

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Speaker 1: laborers seeing a belly button.

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Speaker 10: I wouldn't have I wouldn't have guessed. And he doesn't

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Speaker 10: seem to be a criminal mastermind.

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Speaker 9: That was that.

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Speaker 10: Thank God for those day laborers who stood up for

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Speaker 10: them selves. And it's ridiculous that LAPD didn't take them serious.

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Speaker 9: I mean, this is.

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Speaker 10: This is really horrible and again I'm I'm trying not

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Speaker 10: to think about it, but we don't know. If we

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Speaker 10: can't find the poor parents, it's it's just all bad.

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Speaker 10: But let me ask you this as a lawyer, are

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Speaker 10: you got a question?

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Speaker 1: You and Bella are in the business, the TV, the

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Speaker 1: entertainment industry, Tremaine. There has been a noticeable radio silence

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Speaker 1: on Haskell the Forest case, if you go on and

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Speaker 1: google him. Okay, if you do even that much less

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Speaker 1: and intensive investigation that we've done, there's practically nothing for

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Speaker 1: months on end. Could that be orchestrated by a powerful PR.

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Speaker 9: Machine, Well, that that would be actually nothing.

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Speaker 10: That would actually be my question to you as an attorney,

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Speaker 10: what happens if there's a radio silence, if there's you're

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Speaker 10: not hearing about the case.

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Speaker 9: What does that mean exact? And how long do these

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Speaker 9: cases take?

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Speaker 10: Is is it going to be a long case or

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Speaker 10: is it going to be cut and dry? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I guarantee you it's going to be a really really

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Speaker 1: protracted investigation and case because the forensics alone, tremaine he hoo,

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Speaker 1: are going to be oh gosh numbing. You've got at

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Speaker 1: least one body. We don't have a CEOD cause of

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Speaker 1: death because the body was dismembered. We don't know if

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Speaker 1: she was alive when she was dismembered. A lot has

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Speaker 1: to be explained to the jury, not only that this

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Speaker 1: is May's remains, but that we know, based on hopefully

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Speaker 1: deox survivo nucleic acid DNA or fingerprints or some other

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Speaker 1: genetic material that he Sam Haskell is the person that

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Speaker 1: killed her. That's going to be a labor intensive endeavor

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Speaker 1: for the medical examiner. But I guess let me just

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Speaker 1: rephrase my question, Tremaine Haho, how did he strike you?

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Speaker 1: What was his personality? That's what I'm trying to get.

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Speaker 10: When I was working with him, he was funny and

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Speaker 10: really dry humor. But he did have a temper at times,

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Speaker 10: that's all about I'll say. But he never really blew

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Speaker 10: up on me. He'd be more of the type of

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Speaker 10: guy to get thrown out a cheesecake factory than you

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Speaker 10: made a crime like this. But again, this is this

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Speaker 10: is all bad. This is horrible, and I hope they

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Speaker 10: find evidence in that.

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Speaker 1: Justice crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 15: The couple is married in twenty ten, and as they

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Speaker 15: welcome children, May's parents move in with the family to

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Speaker 15: help with childcare.

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Speaker 16: Pascal's friends and co workers agree they had no idea

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Speaker 16: he was married with children. Haskell made no mention of

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Speaker 16: May or any of his three sons in the years

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Speaker 16: they worked with him. Friends that did get close enough

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Speaker 16: to Haskell to run into May say Haskell never stopped

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Speaker 16: to introduce her, much less greet.

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Speaker 1: Her to renowned clinical and forensic neuropsychologist, author of the

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Speaker 1: New Rules of Attachment and Stop Self Sabotage, Doctor Judy

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Speaker 1: Hoe Docter. Judy, thank you for being with us. What

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Speaker 1: does this mean? I mean when I look at the

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Speaker 1: gorgeous bell of snow and I think about all the

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Speaker 1: times Haskell four was with her, never mentioned his wife

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Speaker 1: and children hit on her, And now we know he had,

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Speaker 1: according to others their words, not mine, and Asian fetish.

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Speaker 1: How does that play into the alleged murder of his wife,

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Speaker 1: who is Asian? May Well, Nancy, there was definitely a

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Speaker 1: pattern here.

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Speaker 17: There were other people who reported that they never knew

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Speaker 17: about his family, that he was married, didn't know who

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Speaker 17: may was, even if they did see her in passing

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Speaker 17: or even when they stopped in their house. And it's

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Speaker 17: interesting that he does have this focus on a specific

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Speaker 17: physical type. There's certain beliefs sometimes that people may hold

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Speaker 17: if they truly have what is termed an Asian fetish

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Speaker 17: about Asian women perhaps traditionally being more submissive, and some

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Speaker 17: people are more attracted to that as a value. There

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Speaker 17: are other reasons too, of course, Nancy. But I think

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Speaker 17: what we know is that this person is clearly two cited.

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Speaker 17: We're hearing reports that he has a temper issue. We've

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Speaker 17: seen reports in the news that May's past friends have

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Speaker 17: said that she's been thinking of leaving him, but she

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Speaker 17: can't because she's afraid that perhaps there will be repercussions

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Speaker 17: because he comes from such a powerful family, and she

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Speaker 17: doesn't want to lose custody of her sons. And I

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Speaker 17: just think that there was so much more beneath the

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Speaker 17: surface that he never showed anyone. He makes these social

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Speaker 17: media posts like he knows everything, and yet in his

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Speaker 17: family life. What kind of father was he? What kind

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Speaker 17: of husband was he? Did he actually threaten me that

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Speaker 17: she can't leave him because he might try to take

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Speaker 17: full custody of the children. There's so much that we

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Speaker 17: don't know.

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Speaker 1: What is it main psychologically, you're the forensic neuro psychologist

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Speaker 1: and author that he, according to the state, murdered her,

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Speaker 1: possibly dismembering her before she was dead, and throw her

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Speaker 1: in a trash bag, having day laborers come to krt

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Speaker 1: off her remains, and when that failed, according to an

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Speaker 1: eye witness, he disposed of her body in a dumpster

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Speaker 1: with refuse.

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Speaker 17: Well, Nancy, that shows a couple of things. One is

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Speaker 17: of course blatant disrespect that he would just murder her

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Speaker 17: and then dispose of her in such an egregious way.

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Speaker 17: But secondly, it doesn't seem like he's really truly thought

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Speaker 17: through the consequences. That first he was going to just

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Speaker 17: ask these day labors to get rid of these remains,

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Speaker 17: lied that they were rocks. Clearly, the day laborers knew

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Speaker 17: as soon as they picked up the bag that it

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Speaker 17: didn't feel like rocks because it was soft and soggy.

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Speaker 17: And then secondly the fact that then he thought he

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Speaker 17: would just dispose of it himself and get away with it. Clearly,

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Speaker 17: this is not a person who's truly a criminal mastermind

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Speaker 17: if he thought he could get away with all of

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Speaker 17: these actions. But I think that we saw that there

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Speaker 17: were some warning signs. Perhaps he was obsessed with violence

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Speaker 17: in his own movies and projects. He had weapons all

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Speaker 17: around the house to the point where neighbors were feeling

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Speaker 17: like it would be unsafe for their children to go

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Speaker 17: play in their house. So there was some kind of

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Speaker 17: fascination with brutal killings and violence. And it's just so

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Speaker 17: sad nancy that it ended up in this way, and

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Speaker 17: even more ridiculous, that he thought he could get away

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Speaker 17: with all of this by essentially hiring somebody, paying them

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Speaker 17: five hundred dollars to get rid of all of the evidence.

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Speaker 1: And betting on the fact that they would never become

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Speaker 1: state's witness or go to police. Joining me now is

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Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crown's chief medical Examiner Terran County. That's fort Worth,

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Speaker 1: never a lack of business, and he is the star

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Speaker 1: of a brand new hit podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue.

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Speaker 1: He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of

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Speaker 1: Medicine at TCU. Doctor Kendall Crown's. First of all, congratulations

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Speaker 1: on your new venture, your podcast, may Him in the Morgue.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crown's, how could there be confusion on the

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Speaker 1: part of the medical examiner that they cannot tell the

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Speaker 1: cod cause of death and we don't know whether may

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Speaker 1: was dismembered while still alive.

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Speaker 11: Okay, well for s thanks for the congratulations, fancy. But secondly,

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Speaker 11: the main thing is is all you have is a

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Speaker 11: torso you don't have a head, you don't have the extremities.

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Speaker 11: So the medical examiners are dealing with the fact that

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Speaker 11: they're looking for injuries that they made. They don't have

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Speaker 11: a complete body, so they don't know if she was

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Speaker 11: strangled or she was shot in the head or something

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Speaker 11: along those lines. Unless there's a direct injury to the

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Speaker 11: torso that they can say, oh, that looks like a

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Speaker 11: stab wound. They're kind of left with not a complete body,

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Speaker 11: so they don't have complete information, so they're going to

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Speaker 11: wait and see if they can find any more body parts.

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Speaker 11: But in the meantime, they know she died. They know

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Speaker 11: she was dismembered, so she was murdered in some fashion.

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Speaker 11: They can look at the body, the torso itself and

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Speaker 11: look for injuries that would show that she was still

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Speaker 11: living if she was dismembered while still alive, and that's

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Speaker 11: hemorrhage and the tissues around the dismembering sites. If you

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Speaker 11: see that, you know their heart was still beating when

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Speaker 11: they were cutting the limbs off in the head off.

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Speaker 11: And again, they don't have the whole body, so they're

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Speaker 11: kind of left with half answers, and that's why they're

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Speaker 11: still hesitant of giving an exact cause of death that

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Speaker 11: they know the manner of death is homicide.

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Speaker 1: Back to special Guest joining us Bella Snow Digital creator

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Speaker 1: model at YouTube. She's at Bella Snow Bella And all

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Speaker 1: the time that you knew Haskell the fourth, you were

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Speaker 1: never told he was married with three little boys, that

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Speaker 1: his wife was the one paying the mortgage while he

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Speaker 1: was living part time at his bat cave. When you

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Speaker 1: hear doctor Kendall Crowd's describing what happened to May, what

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Speaker 1: goes through your mind?

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Speaker 13: What went through my mind is that could have been me.

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Speaker 13: Me and Sam didn't officially date, but we do dayly

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Speaker 13: a few years and we spent a lot of pun

626
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Speaker 13: together during the same time that he knew May and

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Speaker 13: he married May, and nobody know that he was married

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Speaker 13: or have kids. My makeup artists or everybody that worked

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Speaker 13: in the production, nobody knew. We never saw such a

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Speaker 13: big family. We never seen a wedding photo. We never

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Speaker 13: have kids photo. He posts a lot of social media,

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Speaker 13: but he'd never posts any of his family that. We

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Speaker 13: never seen any of Sam wedding photo, so we never knew.

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Speaker 1: That's really interesting, Bella Snow that not only did you

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Speaker 1: not know about May, but he never showed photos of

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Speaker 1: his three boys. Nothing.

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Speaker 13: No, we never saw a photo of him in like

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Speaker 13: a family setting. I remember he showed me photo of May.

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Speaker 13: But he showed me a photo of May because he

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Speaker 13: does have a lot of different female girls in his

641
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Speaker 13: podject and he would ask me about what my opinion

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Speaker 13: is during his casting and like, oh, what do you

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Speaker 13: think about this girl? And like, oh, she's pretty, and

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Speaker 13: he just mentioned, oh, she's just a model, until now

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Speaker 13: that I find out that May was actually his wife

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Speaker 13: when he showed me pictures.

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Speaker 1: So he asks you, the woman that he's hitting on,

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Speaker 1: what you think of his wife's looks without divulging at

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Speaker 1: his wife.

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Speaker 13: Yes, he just mentioned, oh, that's just another model, because

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Speaker 13: he does picture take picture a lot of different female models.

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Speaker 13: Because at that moment we was working he was also

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Speaker 13: working on casting of who's his dream character is for

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Speaker 13: this movie he's trying to make. And he always asked

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Speaker 13: me what do you think this person? What do you

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Speaker 13: think of this person? And make us a him up

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00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 13: and he said, oh, it's just another model. He never

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Speaker 13: mentioned May was actually his wife until I find out

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Speaker 13: now that was married to May.

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Speaker 1: I guess that's the moment you're never going to forget.

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Speaker 1: When he asked you to pass judgment on his wife, Bella.

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Speaker 1: You were there to observe the people that he cast

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Speaker 1: did He cast primarily Asian women.

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Speaker 13: Most of the movie he make is based on like

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Speaker 13: he kind of wanted to make like a live action

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Speaker 13: of an Asian movie, Asian college high school. So you

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Speaker 13: do have a lot of Asian casting also called Asian.

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Speaker 13: But he does have his dream team. It does flirt

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Speaker 13: with a lot of Asian girls. I do have a

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Speaker 13: lot of Asian friends that we do projects together, and like, oh,

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Speaker 13: she's pretty, she's pretty, but she never he never flirt

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Speaker 13: with anybody else in front of me.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that you had a dating relationship with him?

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Speaker 13: I did it so back then. It's always people know

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Speaker 13: that it's oh it's Bella and Sam because we spend

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Speaker 13: a lot of time together. We have a lot of

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Speaker 13: late night dinner after he got back to work, and yeah,

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Speaker 13: we just spend time like normal dating couple do would.

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Speaker 13: And I would never know that he was married because

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Speaker 13: it was never came up or he always lived by himself.

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Speaker 1: Bella, I'm just looking at you and you're so particular,

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Speaker 1: You're so beautiful, and I just thank god that you

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Speaker 1: never angered him to the extent that you ended up

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Speaker 1: in a trash bag and I want to thank you

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Speaker 1: for joining us, Bella.

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Speaker 13: Thank you for having me. It did him to my

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Speaker 13: head many times that that could have been me. I

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Speaker 13: could have been that transferl in that body back and

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Speaker 13: become sick o'cock me. That could have been me.

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Speaker 1: Even though the media has gone radio silent on the

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Speaker 1: Haskell four investigation, the state is still building their case.

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Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about the

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Speaker 1: death of may or her parents, please dale eight hundred

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Speaker 1: two two two eight four seven seven repeat eight hundred

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Speaker 1: two two two tips. Thank you to our guests for

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Speaker 1: being with us. Needsy Grace signing off, good night friend,