1 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: It's that time, time, time, time, luck and look so 2 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: Michael Verishow is on the air. 3 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 2: I have received over the years a number of emails 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: from parents who are struggling with a child, and some 5 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 2: of them we've talked to on the air. Who is 6 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: in a term that I didn't know. I'm fifty three 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 2: years old. When I was in school, this term didn't exist. 8 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:40,240 Speaker 2: That is, they are struggling with the child who is 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 2: in transition or considering transition, or they've just learned that 10 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 2: the counselor at school is telling little Tommy that he 11 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: can be a girl, or a little Susie that she 12 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 2: can be a boy, and they don't know what to do. 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 2: And you know, it's one of those things that if 14 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 2: you don't have a kid going through this, you you 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 2: might make an off handed joke and you know it's 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 2: funny or it's you know, you don't you don't invest 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 2: a lot of emotion, But when your child is going 18 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: through anything, you you don't want to separate from your child. 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: You don't want to disconnect from your child. You don't 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: want to be a strange from your child. You want 21 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 2: to be the best parent you can, and sometimes that's tough. Love, 22 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: rub some dirt in it. And sometimes that's understanding, sometimes 23 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 2: that's listening. And I'm not a real touchy feely guy, 24 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 2: but I'm probably a little more touchy feeling now that 25 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 2: I'm older, and I understand, Hey, you can't be the 26 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: dad and mom that says we'll have nothing to do 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: with you anymore, or you leave your kid to a 28 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: system and an industry. 29 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: That, in my opinion, is very dangerous. 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 2: So with all that in mind, I had a listener 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: send me a book entitled A Practical Guide to Gender Distress. 32 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: And look, I know what some of you are thinking. 33 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about boys trying to be 34 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: girls and girls trying. I don't either, but the reality 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: is it's happening, and I have my reasons as to 36 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: why I think it's happening. I think some people are 37 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 2: being encouraged. I think there's some peer pressure. I think 38 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: there's a lot to that. But I wanted to have 39 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 2: the author of this book on to talk about this 40 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 2: because this particular parent had read this book and found 41 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 2: it useful in dealing with her child. And she's not 42 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: authorized me to say her name or any other details, 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: and so I won't. You can find this individual at 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: the Truthfultherapist dot com. Her name is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. 45 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: The book is a practical guide to gender distress. Pamela, 46 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 2: why don't we start with how you came to this 47 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 2: issue first? 48 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: I just want to correct it dot org. 49 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm sorry it does say dot com. 50 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 2: I have to protect my own I have to protect 51 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 2: myself here and it's showing as truthful f U L L? 52 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: Should it only be one L? 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? I'm not sure where you're seeing that. 54 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 4: My website isist dot org. 55 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 2: You know what, you may have a pr I'm not 56 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: sure how Jim Mudd found you, my creative director, but 57 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 2: he cut and pasted this and it had dot com 58 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 2: and it had. 59 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: Truthful with two eels. 60 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 2: But anyway, so, yes, The Truthfultherapist dot org. 61 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: How did you come to this issue? 62 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 3: Hi? 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 4: I'm an interesting unicorn because I'm a licensed clinical social 64 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 4: worker with over twenty years of mental health experience. I 65 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 4: work with teens and families in school, in clinics, and 66 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 4: hospitals all of this time, and I am one of 67 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 4: the very few with all of this experience that has 68 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 4: been outspoken on this topic. And the reason I've become 69 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 4: outspoken about this is I actually had to take a 70 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 4: hiatus due to a health issue back in twenty seventeen, 71 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: and I came back to my job in twenty twenty one, 72 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 4: and things had radically shifted at that point. That's when 73 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 4: this trend really grew. 74 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: While I was on disability. 75 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 4: So when I came back, it was extremely shocking to me. 76 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 3: And I describe myself. 77 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 4: Sort of like a Rip vand therapist like Rip Van Wrinkle, 78 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: because I was sort of asleep, not aware of what 79 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 4: was happening in my profession. Things radically changed. I came 80 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 4: back and I couldn't believe my eyes. 81 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 3: And I saw many kids at the. 82 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 4: Program I newly was working at identifying as trands that 83 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 4: would never have done that before. 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 2: And so walk me through how that brings you to today, 85 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,799 Speaker 2: because it's a bit of an atypical, atypical practice. 86 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 3: Very atypical. 87 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: I've had quite the journey, honestly. So I had this disability, 88 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 4: I still can't work a full time job, so I 89 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 4: have a lot less to lose. I think that has 90 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 4: a lot to do with it. There are other people 91 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: out there that agree with me, but because cancel culture 92 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 4: is so intense, they're afraid to speak up and they're 93 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 4: self censoring. However, I since I can't work full time, 94 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 4: I have less to lose, so I've decided to be 95 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 4: more outspoken. Also, that job I was just this talking 96 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 4: about it was a healthcare worker job. I was in 97 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 4: California and there was a COVID vaccine mandate for healthcare workers. 98 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,719 Speaker 4: I chose not to get the COVID vaccine, and that's 99 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 4: when I decided that I would call to speaking to 100 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 4: these problems within my profession. 101 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: And how did I have to interrupt? Because I don't 102 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 2: like labels, but I am an anti vaxxer. I think 103 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 2: my brother died from taking the vaccine. He was only 104 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:29,720 Speaker 2: fifty four years old. He as a police officer. There 105 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: is now a case against astrasenica from police officers that 106 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: is being handicapped as a pretty good case because apparently 107 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: officers were being given the astrosenica shot. I don't know why, 108 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,040 Speaker 2: but I don't like mandates under any circumstances. Tell me 109 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 2: a little bit, so I understand your mindset of why 110 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: you were opposed to that and how that played out. 111 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, at the time, I wasn't really against any of it. 112 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 4: My personal reasons were, I had severe chronic pain for 113 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 4: several years, and at that point I had finally recovered 114 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 4: enough to be functional to work part time at a job. 115 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 4: Before that, I could barely tie my shoes. I had 116 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 4: this nerve pain condition that was extremely severe, and the 117 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 4: doctors didn't believe me. I went through an odyssey. I 118 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 4: finally overcame all of that, and that's when this vaccine 119 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 4: mandate came through. I also had just recovered from COVID 120 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 4: and took that you know, horse pace, that horse medicine, 121 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 4: and I recovered just fine, and I didn't need it. 122 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 4: I knew that natural immunity was robust and I didn't 123 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 4: need it. So I did not want to take it. 124 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 4: And I did not trust the healthcare system after everything 125 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 4: I had been through. 126 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 1: And so you were fired, Yes, I say, I. 127 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 4: Was let go. I just didn't get more shifts. I 128 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 4: was no longer able to work for them, and I 129 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 4: was not able to get an exemption. There were the 130 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 4: state of California would not allow doctors to do a 131 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 4: medical exemption. Already, check the box for medical exemption, not 132 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 4: religious exemption. And my reasons were not religious. My reasons 133 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 4: were medical. 134 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,239 Speaker 1: Interesting. That's very interesting. 135 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to ask you to hold right there 136 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 2: because I want to get into this. 137 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: Line in your biography. 138 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 2: Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid 139 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: therapists who lack skills or try to indoctrinate their children 140 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 2: and folks, let me tell you something. We're going to 141 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 2: begin this conversation in the next segment, but I want 142 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: to be very clear with you as parents and that 143 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 2: you train your children of this. Do not let someone 144 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: stick something in your kid's but mouth, ear, or arm 145 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 2: that you don't know what it is. Do not hesitate 146 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: to say not on this visit. We're going to do 147 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 2: some research and come back because you have agency, you 148 00:07:56,280 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 2: have control over your own body. Do not simply trust well, 149 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 2: they're the experts. It doesn't work that way. All right, 150 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 2: We're gonna talk to Pamela Garfield Yeaker Jaeger. The Truthfultherapist 151 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 2: dot org. A practical guide to gender distress for your kids, 152 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: and your grandkids and your sister's kids. I'm not man 153 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: Michael Berry The System Lack of Tube Modern Day Robin. 154 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 2: Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. Our website is The 155 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: Truthfultherapist dot org. It says Pamela's mission is to educate 156 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 2: parents on how to avoid therapists who lack skills or 157 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: try to indoctrinate their children. She's the author of the 158 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: book A Practical Guide to Gender Distress. She has a 159 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: licensed therapist as well. So, Pamela, let's start talking about 160 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: what parents need to know if they sense well, actually, 161 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 2: let me take a step back. What are some signs 162 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: for parents that maybe your kid is starting to try 163 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 2: out for Mavian rows. You know, your kid's not sure 164 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: what they are. What are some early signs? 165 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 4: Yes, so one of the earliest signs is Internet youth. 166 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 4: If your child is spending a lot of time online 167 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: and becoming more withdrawn from you and your family and 168 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 4: things that your family value. Those are some indicators that 169 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 4: your child might be withdrawing from what your family values 170 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 4: and might be reaching towards a group of people that 171 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 4: perhaps are teaching them values that go against what you believe. 172 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:41,679 Speaker 2: But do you notice in children any sorts of behavioral 173 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 2: changes when you sense that they're going through and. 174 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: What causes this? 175 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: I mean, my theory is kids that don't belong and 176 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: sometimes they're looking for a way to belong, and this 177 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: is sort of almost like a gang. 178 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: You know, other kids are often encouraging them to do this. 179 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,679 Speaker 4: That is your serious, correct, That is one of the 180 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 4: main reasons. Basically what these gender ideologues are doing. They 181 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 4: are taking vulnerable kids and they are recruiting them, and 182 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 4: I see them as exploiting the vulnerable. 183 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 3: So it's different for each child in each family. 184 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 4: There's so many different circumstances. In my book, I go 185 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: through many different scenarios of how and when. 186 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 3: A child could be recruited. 187 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: To decide or believe it, their trends, some behaviors you 188 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 4: ask that you can just look at. 189 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 3: Do they suddenly change their. 190 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: Dress to be more androgynous or different or you know, 191 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 4: pink hair, you know, if they start changing their looks. 192 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 4: A lot of times parents look at that and say, well, 193 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 4: I'm just going to let them express themselves. And honestly, 194 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 4: it's a tricky thing how to enforce changing or their dress, 195 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 4: but it's good to be aware of it and not 196 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 4: to ignore it, and to really be present with your 197 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 4: child and recognize there's probably something. 198 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: Going on, you know. 199 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 2: Pamela Garfield Jeger is our guest a practical guide to 200 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:54,360 Speaker 2: gender distress. 201 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: I would say. 202 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: That's also good advice for kids who are beginning to 203 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 2: experiment with alcohol, kids who are beginning to experiment with 204 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: sexual activity, kids who are beginning to experiment with self harm. 205 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: I mean, you identify problems and can help a child 206 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,200 Speaker 2: cope better when you are as you said present. I 207 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: don't often use therapists speak, but there is something to 208 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 2: be said for ya. If you're spending your time with 209 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: your kid, if you're running to the grocery store, put 210 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: your kid in the grocery store with you. Don't assume 211 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: once that kid can drive and has a phone, that 212 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 2: living under your roof is enough. You've got to interact. 213 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 2: You've got to get inside their head. You've got to 214 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 2: know what's going on. Are there things that you begin 215 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: to prepare parents how to address these issues, How to 216 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: begin that conversation with a child, What sorts of things 217 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: are off limits, and what sorts of things are musts 218 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 2: in dealing with this early on. 219 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually have a whole chapter about pronouns, because 220 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: one of the first ways they indoctrinate the children is 221 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 4: to have them share pronouns or even just observe their 222 00:11:56,480 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 4: friends use these pronouns. So I have a chapter about 223 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 4: how nouns are harmful. I think even conservatives often don't 224 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: recognize that using the pronouns is not innocent, and to 225 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 4: teach them to speak out against it, just to say no, no, 226 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 4: thank you, this is causing fighting. 227 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 3: I don't want to lie. So even little kids can. 228 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 4: You can have that conversation with a little kid and 229 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 4: help ground them in truth, help them understand that they 230 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: are a. 231 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 3: Boy and they're a girl. 232 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 4: I mean, that's the best way is to start young. 233 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 4: And just if you're religious, of course, tell them this 234 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,079 Speaker 4: is how God made you, and help them feel proud 235 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 4: of the body that they were born in. Because they're 236 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 4: being taught in school and in the movies and the 237 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 4: government and everywhere that they are born wrong, that their 238 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 4: bodies are like a vessel, that they can do whatever 239 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 4: they want, almost like a form of transhumanism. 240 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: Little kids are being taught this. 241 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 4: So parents need to get ahead of that and teach 242 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 4: their children that they are their bodies and the way 243 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: they were born is just right, and that you love 244 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 4: them the way they are. 245 00:12:59,240 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: Interesting. 246 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,679 Speaker 2: I think there was this idea you talked about transhumanism. 247 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: I think there is an idea in a lot of 248 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 2: secular humanistic liberal and they each bring their own approach 249 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: to this, and it is the idea that everything is okay, 250 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: we'll just hug it out and everything. It's a sort 251 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 2: of relativism of you know, your truth is your truth, 252 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: and your feelings or your feelings. 253 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: And whatever they are, no matter what if you're feeling. 254 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: But people don't realize if your kids said I'm going 255 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 2: to rob a bank, you wouldn't go. 256 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:31,760 Speaker 1: Well, if that's how you feel, here's a pistol. 257 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 2: I think kids have to be molded and guided and 258 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 2: interacted with and coached and parented and loved and engaged 259 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: and disciplined and challenged. And that sounds like what you're 260 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:46,319 Speaker 2: telling parents to do. When parents call you as a therapist, 261 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 2: where are they usually in that process? 262 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, oftentimes I actually talk to parents with adult children, 263 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: usually who are in their early twenties. 264 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:56,719 Speaker 3: So that's difficult. 265 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 4: Because oftentimes the young adult is no longer living with 266 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: the family, But I still give a lot of the 267 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 4: similar advice, and. 268 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 3: The advice I give is figuring out how. 269 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 4: To connect with that with that person and I'm no 270 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 4: longer a child, how to connect with that young person 271 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 4: and to remain in contact with them, because what they're 272 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 4: basically being, what's basically happening to them, is they've been 273 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 4: recruited into occult like mentality, and the. 274 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 3: Transactivists have taught them that their. 275 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: Families are the enemy. If they have questions, or if 276 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 4: they believe in truth, or if they believe in reality, 277 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 4: that they're the enemy. So your job as a parent 278 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 4: is to let them know that no matter what, you 279 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 4: love them, and maybe in fact figure out what might 280 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: be the underlying issues. 281 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: Because as as you excuse me, as. 282 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 4: You said earlier, this has a lot of parallels to 283 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 4: alcoholism or eating disorders or other ways people manifest issues. 284 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 4: This is sort of the new way of cutting, the 285 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 4: new way. 286 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 3: Of self harm. 287 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 4: So there's always something underneath, and your goal, is someone 288 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 4: who loves them and cares about them, is to help 289 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 4: them address those issues. 290 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: Say parents are calling you parents of adult children? Are 291 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 2: these children by this time? Typically when I say child, 292 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: I mean the next generation. Some people don't like me 293 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: as we're children about someone that might be thirty. I 294 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 2: don't mean they're a little kid. 295 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: I mean the parent. 296 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I am still the child of my parents. I'm 297 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 2: one of their children, and I'm fifty three. When you 298 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 2: say that they are they trying to figure out how 299 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: to relate to adult children who've left the home, and 300 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 2: maybe that's that's where we are. 301 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes they've left the home. Sometimes they're still in 302 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 4: the home, or they're about to leave the home, so 303 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 4: they're grasping to maintain that relationship. So they're calling me 304 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 4: to figure out what to do. And I got to 305 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 4: be honest at that phase, it's not easy, but there 306 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 4: is there is still hope. 307 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 2: I have a story with a friend of mine. Nobody 308 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: listening knows him, so don't worry that he might figure 309 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 2: out who it is. But what they're going and the 310 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 2: torment to his wife over a boy that's transitioning to 311 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 2: a girl is I mean, it's very stressful in their marriage, 312 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 2: it's very stressful on their home, and they are not 313 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 2: equipped to deal with this and they've tried every approach 314 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 2: and this adult child in mid twenties is just being 315 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: cruel and tormenting particularly his mother, and it's awful to see. 316 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: Hold with us. Pamela Garfield Jaeger is our guest. 317 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 2: Our website is the Truthfultherapist dot org. 318 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: The book is a practical guide to gender distress. 319 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 4: They have almost went the law school myself. 320 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:33,479 Speaker 1: The Michael Barry Show. 321 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 2: The Schooltherapist dot Org. The line that caught my attention. 322 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 2: Pamela's mission is to educate parents on how to avoid 323 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 2: therapists who lacks skills or try to indoctrinate their children. 324 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 2: We're talking about boys that want to be girls and 325 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: girls that want to be boys, and what parents should do. 326 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: But I will tell you everything she said so far are, 327 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 2: in my opinion, the same thing you should do for 328 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 2: a kid who is beginning to develop bad behaviors, self 329 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: harming behaviors with regard to drugs and violence, and any 330 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: number of other social disorders, that all of them some 331 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 2: of the same things. Parent, your kid go into the weeds. 332 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 2: Don't be afraid. Engage, no matter how awkward it gets. Engage. 333 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things I've seen pamelm. 334 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 2: With kids who go through these phases and by the 335 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: time they're thirty, thirty, five, forty, they come out of it. 336 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 1: It's like a plane that looks like it's crashing. They 337 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: get it back in the air again. 338 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: It is that the kids will say when the parent says, well, 339 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: you told us you don't want us to talk to 340 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: you anymore. So we didn't and the kids will say, 341 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 2: you weren't supposed to do that. The kids expected the 342 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: parents to love them so much they defer them. 343 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 1: Does that make sense, Yeah. 344 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 4: Yes, And Transactive is weaponize that too. I want parents 345 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 4: to recognize that that sometimes that level of tough love 346 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 4: is being weaponized. 347 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,439 Speaker 3: They'll say, oh, that means that you're. 348 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 4: Abandoning your child and that you don't love your child, 349 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 4: when what you're doing is you're trying to show your 350 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,639 Speaker 4: love by that tough love. But in this case it 351 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 4: really backfires because what will happen is your child will 352 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: go into the hands of what you would call their 353 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 4: glitter family, which are really cult members and cult leaders 354 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 4: that will lead them down the path of permanent sterilization, 355 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 4: destroying their bodies, doing very dangerous behaviors, and engaging with 356 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 4: people that do not have the best interest for your child. 357 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: And in your experience, do you think those people. I 358 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: remember this was probably fifteen years ago. 359 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:54,720 Speaker 1: There was an. 360 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,880 Speaker 2: Article written based on an undercover investigation and they had 361 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: discovered that nam which is which is these grown men 362 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: who are pediass and pedophiles and they want to do 363 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: a little boys and at. 364 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: The NAMBLA convention. 365 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 2: They were helping them figure out careers where they could 366 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 2: be around little boys, and they were encouraging them to 367 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,439 Speaker 2: be librarians because you would have the little boy in 368 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 2: the library at the school, you would be a position 369 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 2: of authority. Nobody comes around the library, you would have 370 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 2: them to yourself. And I thought, this is really really sick. 371 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,880 Speaker 2: But that means that there were people who became male 372 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 2: librarians for this sole purpose. Do you think that these 373 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: that these counselors at the schools, do you think they 374 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 2: went in with malintention or they got caught up in 375 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:49,359 Speaker 2: the woke web. 376 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,240 Speaker 3: I think mooth have good intentions. 377 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 4: I think most are misguided. I think that this whole 378 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 4: rainbow path has paved a way for those predators to 379 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 4: be there, like you just described, But most counselors. 380 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 3: They're what they're really doing. 381 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 4: And here's more therapy speak. They're acting out their own 382 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 4: issues onto children. They're trying to put their rescue fantasies 383 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 4: onto your child. So there's probably a part of them 384 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 4: that's been harmed that wasn't accepted, perhaps bullied, or maybe 385 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:25,400 Speaker 4: they weren't accepted by their own parents, so they project 386 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 4: that onto your child and believe that that same thing 387 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 4: is happening to your child, and they do what they 388 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 4: think is right. But it's a completely different situation. It's 389 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 4: not themselves, it's not what they needed. It's your kid, 390 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 4: who has the loving family. So I think that's more 391 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 4: of what's happening. Plus it's coming from top down. We 392 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 4: and myself included, and I've gone against it, have been 393 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 4: trained to do this, to tear the child away from 394 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 4: their parents, to believe the child over the parents, to 395 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 4: immediately affirm a gender identity and keep that a secret. 396 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 4: That's in the training. So people who trust experts and 397 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 4: trust the people they're elders within their profession and our 398 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 4: naives will go along with it, and their empathy is 399 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 4: being weaponized. 400 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:17,479 Speaker 1: I read this about you. 401 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 2: Pamela has experience working in schools in New York City, 402 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 2: San Francisco, and in Silicon Valley, California. She's been a 403 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 2: clinical supervisor for over ten years, overseeing therapists working in 404 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 2: school based programs and in mental health settings. She has 405 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,919 Speaker 2: worked in residential and outpatient programs for adults and teens 406 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: who are severely mentally ill. Where are most therapists. 407 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: Getting it wrong? 408 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 2: Do they have bad intentions, or are they simply employing 409 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: techniques that they believe are right but you argue are not. 410 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 4: Well, the profession has really changed since I came up 411 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 4: the ranks. I'm not going to say it was perfect, 412 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 4: but there was some sort of gatekeeping where if you 413 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 4: were projecting your own issues, if you hadn't worked out 414 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 4: your own stuff, you had a supervisor or the agencies 415 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 4: that were doing the hiring would screen those people out. 416 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: Whereas now that's being rewarded, and that's also what's being 417 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 4: taught in the graduate schools. There's also a huge emphasis 418 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,880 Speaker 4: on social justice culture and victim mentality, both for the 419 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 4: therapist and also to project that onto the clients. So 420 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 4: if you have a client that's a part of some 421 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 4: kind of minority group, and of course it's LGBT two 422 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 4: plus group is now the big one, they'll look at 423 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 4: their client as a victim that needs to be protected, 424 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,959 Speaker 4: as opposed to looking at the full picture, and that 425 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 4: clouds their perspective, and they're being taught that. If you 426 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 4: look at all the social media of the graduate schools 427 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 4: of the Association's National Association of Social Workers, which I 428 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 4: was once a part of years ago, I would no 429 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:02,639 Speaker 4: longer touch them. They have terrible social justice messages on 430 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,960 Speaker 4: their social media that's very anti therapeutic. So that's where 431 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 4: it's coming from. But so that's why the little old 432 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 4: me is trying to speak to people to let them 433 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 4: know what is appropriate therapy. 434 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:23,359 Speaker 2: You are a voice in the wilderness, Pamela. As I 435 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 2: told you, I had this listener who read your book 436 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 2: and sent it to me or so sorry, sent me 437 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 2: a screenshot of it and said, read this and explained why. 438 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: And I can't give any more details than that because 439 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 2: it was a very personal story about her family. And 440 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: I said, I'll do you one better. I'll put her 441 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 2: on the air and reading your website, The Truthfultheapist dot org. 442 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 2: I am grateful there is someone out there like you 443 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: doing what you're doing more with Pamela Garfield Dieger. The 444 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 2: book is a Practical Guide to gender Distress. The website 445 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,360 Speaker 2: is The Truthful Therapist or stay tuned. This is Latoia 446 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 2: Kidsrill and Time Love meets a Michael Berry. 447 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 1: That going f fine. Praise Jesus. 448 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 2: Truthful Therapist dot Org is the website. The book is 449 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:22,200 Speaker 2: a Practical Guide to Gender Distress. The author and licensed 450 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: therapist is Pamela Garfield Jaeger. She has been a clinical 451 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: supervisor for over a decade, overseeing therapists and school based 452 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 2: programs and in mental health settings. She's worked in residential 453 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: and outpatient programs for adults and teens who are severely 454 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: mentally ill. And we're talking about kids who want to 455 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: transition or beginning that conversation, and particularly resources and tools 456 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 2: for parents, because you don't want to lose your kid, 457 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 2: and part of this is a cult that steals your 458 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 2: kid from it. And I would have called that conspiracy 459 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 2: crazy stuff before I saw it happen. I'll give you 460 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 2: an example, Pamela, And I'm sure you've seen this a 461 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:08,120 Speaker 2: thousand times. So my buddy's wife, my buddy's wife, their daughter, 462 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:14,400 Speaker 2: their son, very heavy set, socially awkward, didn't fit in 463 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 2: in college, couldn't find a career, kind of kind of 464 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: a wastrel, as we would to call it, gron not, 465 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 2: you know, not really sure what to do in life. 466 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 2: And then at some point starts kind of kind of 467 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: tinkering with this the way kids used to tinker with 468 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 2: with drugs or alcohol or crime or credit card fraud 469 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: or whatever else. And then he he decides he's a girl, 470 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: and he moves a few states away, and he's playing 471 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: his birth father against his birth mother. My buddy's married 472 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,640 Speaker 2: to the birth mother, and he gets the birth father 473 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 2: to pay his rent one month and then mom, and 474 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: he withholds his connection to them if they don't pay 475 00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 2: their bills. And then he creates these fights with at 476 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 2: his mother, which is causing my friend who's married to 477 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 2: her a lot of distress because it upsets her. The 478 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 2: mother flies out to where he is on the East 479 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 2: coast and goes there to meet with him and hug 480 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 2: him and get this resolved, and bangs on the door 481 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 2: and he's inside, and she bangs on the door for 482 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 2: hours and he won't open the door, and she lays down, 483 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: sits down back against the door like a movie scene, bawling, 484 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,239 Speaker 2: until finally she realizes, after hours and hours of this, 485 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 2: she has to go back to the airport and get 486 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 2: back on the plane and come home crying the whole time. 487 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: This is her child, and just the cruelty. And I'm 488 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: hearing this story and seeing this play out again and again. 489 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: It's like these rioters at the Hamas writers. It says, 490 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 2: if there is a playbook for what to do. And 491 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 2: this is very it angers me. Your thoughts on this situation. 492 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 4: Well, it just sounds heartbreaking you So like a scene 493 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 4: in the movie. There's a scene in that movie with 494 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 4: Leonardo DiCaprio, the Basketball Diaries. It sounds just like that 495 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 4: because the mom had to set a limit because of 496 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:15,359 Speaker 4: his substance abuse. There are very much parallels to this. Yeah, 497 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 4: I mean, it's it's deep for me to just magically 498 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 4: say what would be the right advice for this family. 499 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 4: I honestly couldn't do that without getting to know them. 500 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 4: But clearly this boy, young man is acting out things 501 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 4: that he needs to resolve. And the difference between this 502 00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 4: and all those other issues that you mentioned is that 503 00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:40,399 Speaker 4: the institutions, the professionals are reinforcing it. He's getting his hormones, 504 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 4: probably for free from planned parenthood. If not, he's getting 505 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 4: it from an actual medical doctor, from his insurance, if 506 00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 4: he has insurance. So normally you would never have a 507 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 4: doctor that say, well, here is your cocaine, have at it. 508 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 4: Well here, Now we have institutions that are giving these 509 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 4: hormones too, these young adults, and so it's just heartbreaking. 510 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 4: So that's why we need to found conspiracy theory. And 511 00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 4: I think even if I heard myself talking just five 512 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 4: years ago, I would say I was crazy right now, 513 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 4: but that is what's going on. So people need to 514 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 4: be aware that there is some kind of agenda out 515 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 4: there to destroy families, and unfortunately this family is a 516 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 4: victim of that. It's heartbreaking, It. 517 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: Is heartbreaking, and there's such good people. 518 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: And you know what bothers me. 519 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 2: Most is if this woman did not love her son, 520 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 2: this would be easier. It's as if the love you 521 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 2: have for your child is being turned on you, and 522 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 2: it's tragic. And my worst fear is this child now adult, 523 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 2: this man, child who wants to be a woman, take 524 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 2: his own life, which as you know, is very common 525 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: in to this story, and then the mother has to 526 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 2: live with that the rest of her life, and the 527 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 2: guilt and the regret and all of that. 528 00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean, this is awful, yes. 529 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 4: And that's being weaponized. The suicide lie has been weaponized. 530 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 4: As you probably know, and many of your listeners might 531 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 4: already know that. Therapists and teachers and slogans across everywhere 532 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 4: tell you that if you don't affirm the person who's 533 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: identifying as trands, that they will kill themselves. 534 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 3: The it's your fault if you don't go along. 535 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: With their lie. 536 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 3: However, there's no. 537 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 4: Proof of that. And the truth is people who tend 538 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 4: to fall into this transgender lie already have mental health issues. 539 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,560 Speaker 4: Just like this young man you're describing. He sounds like 540 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 4: he has something of failure to launch. Perhaps he's on 541 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 4: the autistic spectrum. Sounds like there's some family turmoil and 542 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 4: so there's other reasons that are not being addressed. And 543 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 4: he believes, in his mind, because he's been lied to, 544 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 4: that if he becomes a woman, that. 545 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 3: Will solve all of his problems. 546 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,320 Speaker 4: And we know that that's not the case, and he's 547 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 4: still going to have problems. In fact, he's just going 548 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 4: to compound them. And now he doesn't have the connection 549 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 4: with the people that truly love him, which actually makes 550 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 4: it worse. 551 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: So what do you encourage them to do? Are people 552 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: similarly situated. 553 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 4: Well, I mean, the mom is doing everything she can. 554 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 4: I mean, once they've got into that phase where they're 555 00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 4: truly not talking to you, there isn't a whole lot 556 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 4: she can do with her son other than give him 557 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 4: the message that she loves him in all different ways 558 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 4: and it sounds like that's what she's doing. I recommend 559 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 4: for her to reach out to some parent groups of 560 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,120 Speaker 4: their other parents that are going through similar things. They 561 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 4: exchange ideas and they can get support from each other. 562 00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 4: There's a substack called pit parents Parents with Inconvenient Truths 563 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,840 Speaker 4: about tran and there's some as very heart wrenching as 564 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 4: with parents of similar stories. I bet she would connect 565 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 4: with a lot of parents that have written in those 566 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 4: sub stacks. There is an organization called Our Duty. I 567 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 4: think it's our Duty dot com or maybe dot US. 568 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,280 Speaker 4: I'm not sure if I have the URL correct, but 569 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 4: they are called Our Duty. I know there's a US 570 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 4: location and a Canadian location. 571 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 3: So you can look those up. 572 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 4: All of these things that are actually listed in the 573 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,719 Speaker 4: back of my book so finding resources. There's also an 574 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: agency called Genspect that has some parent groups. So there 575 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 4: are several agencies that are putting together parent groups support 576 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 4: for parents that are going through this so that they 577 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: don't hold that guilt on their own and they recognize 578 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 4: it's not all their fault and then perhaps they can 579 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 4: work on whatever, perhaps the things that are in the 580 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 4: family that could be strengthened so that the person that 581 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 4: is going through the trends can come back to a 582 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 4: healthier system. But it's of course it's not simple. 583 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 1: Well, our time is you are a wonderful resource. 584 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: Folks can go to the truthfultheapist dot org and there 585 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:13,360 Speaker 2: is a contact me button, you can email there, you 586 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 2: can buy the book there, there are resources there, there's 587 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: a video to watch there about gender transformation and our 588 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: transition and all this sort of stuff. Ninety nine percent 589 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: of our audience will not need your services, but for 590 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: that one percent, we might just make a difference, and 591 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: that is the goal. Pamela Garfield Jaeger a voice in 592 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: the wilderness of sanity and care and reasonableness. 593 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:43,640 Speaker 1: I am grateful for. 594 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 2: You and I appreciate you taking the time to do this, 595 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:47,920 Speaker 2: and you're welcome. 596 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 3: Elvis has good thank you, and good night,